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Q&A: From 50-Ton IMO Piles to Strong Calcium on Potatoes

Morning presenters, with questions from the floor, Answers from Chris Trump, Joe McGinn and a Hawaiʻi taro grower introduced as Steven; Ahmad Zamany, Zacheous Kazibwe and Baryalai Malekzada (Konkuk University KOICA MS students). The moderator at the podium appears to be Prof. Kim Doo-hwan, Konkuk University (by appearance; not announced).

A short Q&A after the ten morning talks. Chris Trump explained how he moved from 50-ton piles of Microbes (IMO) to small IMO3 batches brewed into liquid IMO; a Hawaiʻi taro grower described IMO4 in flooded fields; the Konkuk students explained their trial designs, how liquid IMO was made for the peanut trial, where the tomato trial's phosphorus came from, and why the potato trial used water-soluble calcium six to nine times stronger than the usual 1:1000. Several questions went unanswered for lack of time or because the presenter had left.

What they found

The question

Floor questions to the morning presenters: how IMO is made at farm scale, how natural farming copes with wet versus dry land, what the student trials' treatments really were, and whether their phosphorus, disease agents and strong calcium doses fit natural farming.

How they tested it

About 18 minutes of Q&A at Konkuk University on Oct 5, 2016, after ten talks; the MC asked to keep it to 10 minutes. Seven questions from the floor. The people asking were not named, except that one was introduced as a 'Japanese speaker'. Questions and answers were mostly in English; the moderator relayed parts in Korean. No slides were shown.

Results
  1. Chris Trump has made about 70–75 tons of IMO over three years, not every year

    Answer to whether he makes his IMO every year. He builds rows with machines, sprays on his nutrient solution, and turns a 100,000 lb (50-ton) pile with a compost turner in about five minutes.

    ▶ 2:32 As spoken

  2. He now makes small 100 lb batches of IMO3 to brew liquid IMO

    He focuses on the quality of the IMO3, uses it as the inoculum for liquid IMO grown out with aeration in a tank, and sprays it on the trees. He no longer makes the big quantities.

    ▶ 3:38 As spoken

  3. Joe McGinn: Hawaiʻi's seasons have been unstable for five years; foliar feeding helped plants hold up

    Wet and dry seasons have swapped. He said the natural farming foliar feeds let plants stay somewhat stable through flooding and drought. He farms dry land, so he passed the swamp question on.

    ▶ 4:07 As spoken

  4. Flooded taro: dry the field, inoculate with IMO4, wait a couple of weeks, then plant

    A grower introduced as Steven: after planting they use the other solutions, and spray liquid IMO about twice a month.

    ▶ 5:10 As spoken

  5. Ahmad Zamany's tomato systems: T1 natural farming with no chemicals, T2 organic fertilizer, T3 chemical fertilizer such as NPK

    The questioner asked whether 'conventional' included herbicide; the answer named only chemical fertilizer.

    ▶ 7:00 As spoken

  6. Peanut trial liquid IMO: 1 kg of solid IMO in a bag, hung in 1,000 L of water, diluted 500 times when applied

    Answered by the peanut presenter (Zacheous Kazibwe).

    ▶ 8:32 As spoken

  7. Tomato phosphorus came from rice bran

    A questioner asked whether the phosphoric acid used on the tomatoes is allowed in natural farming. After a Korean exchange about 인산 (phosphoric acid), the answer was relayed as 'he got the phosphorus from rice bran'. Guano was also mentioned (heard only in the alternate transcripts), but how it was used is unclear.

    ▶ 12:00 As spoken

  8. The tomato disease agent was 'not chemical, it's from the plant'

    Asked whether the agents used against disease are allowed. The answer: a bagged product made from plants, not a chemical; 'he used all organic, no chemical.' The product was not named.

    ▶ 12:51 As spoken

  9. Baryalai Malekzada used strong calcium on purpose: 1:1000 was not enough for potato

    Asked why T9 and T10 used water-soluble calcium (WCA) at 1:113 and 1:169 rather than the usual 1:1000. He said studies in conventional potato showed 1:1000 is not enough, so he tested 50, 100 and 150 ppm on the soil and 30, 60 and 90 ppm on the leaves.

    ▶ 14:38 As spoken

  10. Control 25 t/ha against up to 40.7 t/ha with high soil calcium

    Stated in the answer; matches the potato talk's yield table (25.03 t/ha with no calcium).

    ▶ 16:07 As spoken

  11. Calcium on the leaves did not reach the tubers well, so soil calcium did more

    He said calcium sprayed on leaves moves down to the tuber only slowly. The moderator's Korean summary agreed: high doses on soil and leaves gave the best result, and calcium straight to the soil did more for the harvest than leaf sprays.

    ▶ 16:21 As spoken

  12. Calcium went on three times: 250 ml, 250 ml, then 300 ml per plant on the soil

    Scaled to plant size and poured on the soil around the plant. The potato talk's own slide gives 250, 300 and 300 ml, so the second dose differs.

    ▶ 17:35 As spoken

Hold it loosely
  • The question to Juju Wang (introduced as 'from Japan'; he is from Taiwan) on how the movement protects wildlife was never answered.
  • The question for Eun-ha Lee about his fermented feed was not asked: he had already left.
  • The swamp-versus-dry-land question got answers only for taro; no comparison of results on wet and dry land.
  • Tomato: the type of phosphoric acid, its rate, the guano and the disease product were never named or measured; the Korean exchange was partly unclear.
  • Herbicide use in the conventional plots was asked but not answered.
  • The potato answer gave volumes per plant (250–300 ml) but not the water used for soil application beyond that, and gave no reason beyond 'something new' and conventional studies for the stronger dose.
  • Q&A was squeezed to about 10 minutes; nobody asking was named.
For your farm
  • At orchard scale, one grower found small, carefully made IMO3 batches brewed into aerated liquid IMO easier than 50-ton solid piles.
  • For flooded taro, one grower lets the field dry, inoculates with IMO4 and waits a couple of weeks before planting.
  • Liquid IMO can be made by hanging a bag of solid IMO in water (1 kg in 1,000 L in the peanut trial) and diluting it 500 times to apply.
  • In one potato season, calcium given to the soil did more for the tubers than calcium on the leaves; the doses used were far stronger than the usual 1:1000 and are untested elsewhere.

Next to Master Cho's teaching

  • Differs

    Water-soluble calcium is usually diluted 1:1000 The questioner's 1:1000 matches Pure KNF teaching for leaf sprays; the potato trial's soil doses of 1:169 and 1:113 are six to nine times stronger, which the presenter chose on purpose and tested only for one season.

    CTAHR WCA, p. 2

  • Agrees

    Liquid IMO from a bag of solid IMO soaked in water Pure KNF teaching makes liquid IMO4 by soaking IMO4 in a cloth bag in water; the peanut trial did the same (1 kg in 1,000 L) and then diluted it a further 500 times.

    EX.NO.18 LIQUID IMO 4

“For a 100,000-pound or 50-ton pile, it only takes me five minutes to turn it.”

▶ 3:18

“Calcium 1 to 1000 dilution, it is not enough for potato production.”

▶ 15:05

“It's not chemical. It's from the plant.”

▶ 12:51

In this talk

  1. 0:00Opening
  2. 1:00Q: IMO at scale, swamps, wildlife
  3. 2:32Chris Trump: big piles to liquid IMO
  4. 4:07Joe McGinn: unstable weather
  5. 5:10Taro in flooded fields
  6. 5:50Q: what T1, T2, T3 meant (tomato)
  7. 8:08Q: how liquid IMO was made (peanut)
  8. 9:15Q for Eun-ha Lee; he had left
  9. 9:43Q: phosphoric acid and disease agents (tomato)
  10. 13:06Q: why so much calcium (potato)
  11. 14:34Baryalai: soil calcium beat leaf calcium
  12. 18:21Announcements and meal tickets

Transcript

English translation, checked against the English as spoken. Click any time to play from there.