Nature = 3 Chi + 3 Heats + 4 Bodies + 3 Kingdoms

39:34 All right, go on to the next slide. Yes, please go ahead. What is natural farming? Nature was three chi, three heats, four bodies and three kingdoms, wasn't it? So, what was natural farming? There is three chi. Three chi, three heats. Heat chi... three heats. Three chi: heat, air, water.

자, 그럼 다음 장으로 나가요. 자연농업이라고 하면 뭐냐? 자연은 3기, 3열, 4체, 3계였었잖아요. 삼기, 삼열. 열기, 삼열.

40:19 Then the three heats: heat of the sky, heat of the earth, heat of fermentation. So three heat: heat from the sky, heat from the ground, heat from the fermentation. And the four bodies: sky body, earth body. Four body: sky body. the soil body and the Sky body, earth body. Then the object body (물체). Water body... water.

그 다음 삼열은 천열, 지열, 발효열. 그리고 사체. 천체, 지체. 4 body, 천체. 스카이 바디, 지체. 그 다음에 물체.

41:04 Isn't this an object body (물체)? Our body, the papaya, is an object body. Isn't this the object body? Physical body, air body, micro-organism body, that's the four body. Then the air body (기체). Then the microbe body (균체). Microorganism body. Those are the four bodies. Plant kingdom, animal kingdom, microbe kingdom. So those four got all together, there is a plant kingdom,

이게 물체 아니여? 우리 몸이, 파파야가 물체고. 이게 물체 아니여? 그 다음에 기체. 그 다음에 균체. 마이크로오가니즘 바디. 그게 사체거든. 식물계, 동물계, 균계.

41:52 and animal kingdom, and microorganism kingdom. So those: three chi, three heats, four bodies, three kingdoms. That is nature, we say. So all those, what he just said, That's the nature. But using all that, what heaven, earth and people make together is farming. So we, those nature and the human being all together, that became a natural farming. And the gift that comes from it is our food.

그래서 그 삼기, 삼열, 사체, 삼계가 자연이다 그러지요. 그런데 그걸 활용을 해서 하늘과 땅과 사람이 합작해서 만들어내는 게 농업이요. 그래서 만들어낸 그 선물이 먹을거리지.

42:37 So there is a gift from that farming: it is our food. So food is God giving us our daily bread. This is the prayer the Lord taught us. So that is gift from your God, from the God, those food. Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as in heaven. Give us our daily bread, and forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us, and lead us not into temptation, for the kingdom and the power are yours forever. That is the prayer the Lord taught.

그래서 먹을거리는 하나님이 우리에게 일용할 양식을 주신 거야. 이것은 주님께서 가르쳐 주신 기도입니다. 하늘에 계신 아버지여, 이름을 거룩하게 하시며, 아버지 나라가 오게 하시며, 아버지의 뜻이 하늘에서 이룬 것같이 땅에서도 이루어지이다. 우리에게 일용할 양식을 주시고, 우리가 우리에게 죄 지은 자를 용서해 준 것같이 우리 죄를 용서해 주시고, 우리를 시험에 들게 하지 마옵소서. 대개 나라와 권세와 영광이 영원히 주님의 것입니다. 그게 주님이 가르쳐주신 기도란 말이야.

43:26 Lord's Prayer I cannot memorize all that Anyway if you look at the Bible There is a Lord's Prayer Look up So you need to try to live on that guidance with your life. If we live just like that, we go to heaven; but if we don't live that way, isn't there another place we go? If you don't, if you live that way, you're probably going to heaven. But if you don't, there's another place. So, all of you: the Bible is not something to memorize, the Bible is not something to understand, So, the Bible is not trying to understand, the Bible is just practicing.

그대로 우리가 살면은 천국을 가는 거지만, 그렇지 않게 살면 가는 곳이 따로 있지 않습니까. 그래서 여러분들, 성경은 기억하는 게 아니고, 성경은 이해하는 게 아니고

44:19 You need to live, living daily. You need to practice in your life. So, one time in the church, the priest, he scolded me. I've been scolded, by pastors. So what I said was: You have to live a faith of daily life. How can you just do a faith of teaching? Don't just go through church life, isn't it right to live faith as daily life? That's what I told them. He told them, Why you are preaching life? Why don't you live your spiritual life and practice in your daily regular life?

혼난 일이 있어요. 목사님들한테. 그래서 제가 뭐라고 했냐 하면, 생활신앙을 해야 되지. 어떻게 가르치는 신앙을 해야 하느냐. 신앙생활을 하지 말고 생활신앙을 해야 맞지 않느냐 얘기를 했거든.

45:17 And that's what he told them and they scolded him. So, do babies born in Hawaii also get a bruise on their buttocks? Is your baby has a blue mark on their butt? In Hawaii? Everyone? They say only Asian babies have it. That's why I'm saying this. What do they say in Korea? In Korea, when they... on their butt, there's a bruise mark. They say Samsin Halmoni [the birth grandmother spirit] hit the baby to make it hurry out, and that left the bruise.

그래서 하와이에서 아기 낳는 애들도 볼기짝에 멍이 드나? 뭐 그냥 동양 애기만 있대요. 그래서 그래서 하는 소리예요. 한국에서 무슨 얘기하냐면 삼신할머니가 얼른 나가라고 때려서 멍이 들었다고 그러잖아요.

46:03 Actually, that's the Mongolian spot, Mongolian people's spot. Only the oriental people has it. That's a baby. There's a grandma, when she hit the baby, to come out, she hit their butt. There's that story. That's how the bruise came, they say. That's what they say, the bruise. So what did I say back then about Samsin Halmoni? God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit:

그런 이야기가 있습니다. 그래서 멍이 들었다고. 그 멍이 들었다고 얘기한단 말이에요. 그래서 내가 그때 삼신할머니를 갖다 뭐라고 했냐면 성부 하나님, 성자 하나님, 성령 하나님,

46:52 those three Gods hit the baby to make it hurry out, and that's the bruise, I once said something like that. And they said, where does it say such a thing? Why would God hit us to hurry us out? It's Samsin Halmi who hits. But he explained to them, no, that's not, that's from the God, the Holy Spirit and the Holy Father, Holy Son, hit their butt, that's why they get the blue mark. Not the grandma. Then priest was scolding, you are not a true Christian. The pastors wouldn't [accept it].

그 세 분 하나님께서 얼른 나가라고 때려서 멍이 들었다고, 아, 그런 얘기를 한 번 한 적이 있다고. 아 그랬더니 그런 말이 어딨느냐고. 왜 하나님이 빨리 나가라고 때리느냐, 삼신할미가 때린 거지, 라고. 그걸 [불명확] 안 하더라, 목사님들이.

47:43 So I said, is that so? Then when God made man, didn't He shape him from soil in God's own image and breathe life into him, and so he became a person? So I said to him, but didn't God use clay to make like his body, his image, and also he blow his breath in our nose and became a human being, isn't it? That's what he told them. That's what I said. And they said nothing. The pastor didn't say a word. So, when he told them the first, and they couldn't speak to him, couldn't say any answer, so he told them again,

그래서 그러냐고. 그러면 왜 사람을 지으실 때 흙으로 빚어가지고 하나님 모양을 빚고 생명을 불어넣어서 사람이 된 것 아니냐. 이렇게 얘기했잖아요. 얘기를 안 해. 목사님은 말씀을 안 하더라고.

48:24 So then I said something else: was Jesus born because of theology, or was theology made after Jesus was born? So is a Christian born before God or God, I mean, Jesus Christ came and then the Christian born. So do you understand what I'm saying? That's what he told the priest. Sorry. So he told the priest, is a Christian born first before God or the God born, I mean, God is, I mean, Christian is born before God or Christian is born after God. That's what he told as the priest.

그래서 딱 그 다음에 또 얘기를 했지. 신학에 의해서 예수님이 태어났냐, 예수님이 태어나신 다음에 신학이 만들어졌느냐.

49:30 Also they couldn't answer him. And they couldn't answer that. And then later they said it's blasphemy. So they told him, you are rude to God, something like that. Blasphemy? Blasphemy (모독). Blasphemy means lowering God's authority. Disrespect. You are disrespecting the God.

그랬더니 거기다가 대답을 못 해. 그러고 나중에 뭐라고 하냐면 신성모독이 되는 거예요. 모독? 모독. 그 모독이라는 것은 하나님의 권위를 낮춘다는 이야기입니다.

50:16 So I asked once more: are we God's children, or God's servants? Which came first, I asked: the children first, or the servants first? So are we children of God or are we children of the slave of God? He asked that question. Which one is first? So priest said, I cannot talk to you anymore and then he kicked him out. Then they said, 'This is a man you can't talk to,' and threw me out. So as I walked out, what did I say? 'What you pastors eat is also God's creation,' 'and what we farm and eat, what farmers eat, is God's grace too. It's a blessing.'

그래서 또 한 번 물었지. 우리가 하나님의 자식이냐고, 하나님의 종이냐고. 어디가 먼저였었냐고. 자식이 먼저였었냐, 종이 먼저였었냐. 그랬더니 아, 이 사람 얘기 못 할 사람이라면서 내쫓더라고. 그래서 저렇게 나오면서 무슨 얘기를 했냐 그러면은, 목사님들이 잡수시는 것도 하나님의 창조물이고 우리가 농사지어서 먹고, 농민들이 먹는 것도 하나님의 은혜입니다. 축복이에요.

51:09 So what you consume, food, is a blessing of the God, I mean, to the priest. Also the farmer who brings all this food is also a blessing of the God. That's why he told, I mean, saying, and then walked out of the church. So he was laughing that the religion is before God, not after God. And as I walked out I said: do you only measure God by theology? God was above theology; God isn't below theology, is He?

그리고서 이제 나오면서, 신학에 의해서 하나님을 따지기만 하냐고, 신학 위에 하나님이 계셨지 신학 아래 하나님이 계신 거 아니지 않냐고.

51:59 Religion is born on... religion wasn't born before God. Religion is born after God. That's how he told them. So there I quoted 1 Corinthians chapter 3, verses 16 and 17. Verse 17... The Holy Spirit dwells in my body, so my body is the temple. So you need to take care of your church. If you don't take care of your church, your body, that's

그래서 제가 거기서 이제 고린도전서 3장 16절, 17절 말씀을 했거든요. 17절이 [불명확] 성전... 내 몸에 성령이 계시니 내 몸이 곧 성전이다.

52:52 your church. Actually your body is the church, not the building, okay? If you don't take care of your body well, your church will demolish. That's what he said. First Corinthians 3:16 and 17, it says your body is like God's temple. And if you don't take care of your body, you don't take care of God's temple. So you have to take good care of your body, just like you take good care of God's temple. So right there I got caught, and that's how I came to do natural farming.

그래서 거기서 제가 딱 잡혀가지고 자연농업을 하게 된 거예요.

53:39 In other words, the farm produce made by God's grace, as His gift, the proper food: I eat it and make my body healthy, so that God's Spirit dwells in me and I keep moving toward living a life like God's. So to take care of your body, you need to eat healthy food, so you can serve this God's blessing. Are you done? (Interpreter: Yes.) I think Master Cho is trying to emphasize why he started using this natural farming,

그러니까 하나님의 은총으로 은사로 만들어진 농산물을, 제대로 된 먹을거리를 내가 먹고 내 몸을 건강하게 만들어야 하나님의 영이 나한테 거하셔서 내가 하나님과 같은 생활을 할 수 있도록 닮아가는 거죠. 다 된 거예요? 네.

54:25 because he's read that gospel, specifically the First Corinthians 3:16 and 17 in the New Testament. he was very impressed what he tried to say is that when we try to take good care of our body we have to eat the right kind of food and the right kind of food is coming from the natural farming, which is given by God. so that's what he tried to say Hallelujah. Hallelujah! So natural farming is God's... [blessing]. So natural farming is God's blessing. Blessing.

그래서 자연농업이라고 하는 것은 하나님의 [불명확]

55:18 In it, I, who was created (I am not the Creator), I, the created one, with love and hope, in obedience, give my loyalty: that is farming. So we have to be very loyal to what we do to God, and then we become a natural farmer. So I regard natural farming as God's work, and I try to be faithful to it. So he is trying to follow God's mission with the natural farming. Hallelujah!

거기서 지음받은 내가, 창조주는 아니요, 지음받은 내가 사랑과 소망을 갖는 순종으로 충성을 다하는 것이 농업입니다. 그래서 저는 자연농업은 하나님의 사업으로 알고 충성을 다하려고 하는 거예요.

56:07 So natural farming is farming that protects life and the environment, and it is farming of recovery. So, natural farming is life and the environment healthy, also is recovery farming, healing farming. So when we farm, it is because my body is God's temple, His house, ...and by making this body healthy, I want to give glory to God. So because our body is the church, so make our body healthy and then give glory to God.

그래서 자연농업은 생명과 환경을 지켜나가는 농업이며 회복의 농업입니다. 그래서 우리가 이 농사를 짓는 것은 하나님의 성전인 집인 내 몸의 성전이니까 이 몸을 건강하게 만들어가지고 하나님에게 영광을 드리려고 합니다.