Fig Rust and Black Spot, Vanilla Pollination, Collecting IMO

0:30 hey good morning and welcome to korean natural farming office hours and uh here for november November 6th, 2022. Welcome to November. It's a good one. And good to see folks checking in from around the world. It's a great growing good community, making Master Cho proud. And always good to see you guys. Good friends here. So let's see. Today though, today, the I Ching is not always

1:16 the best. And today is number six. It's conflict. And it says the proper response to conflict, whether it lies within or without us, is disengagement. So whenever we allow ourselves to be drawn off balance, away from the strength of quiet integrity, we are in conflict. It matters not whether the confrontation is between competing values in one's own mind or with another person. It is the inner departure from clarity and equanimity that leaves us with feelings of despair and vulnerability.

2:06 The only remedy is to disengage from the problem and return to the quiet contemplation of what is correct. conflict provokes strong feelings of doubt fear anxiety and an impatience to resolve the situation if you act under the influences of these inferior emotions you will severely complicate the misfortune by following the prescription of the sage by returning to a position of neutrality acceptance, and detachment, you're able to meet opposing forces halfway, not recoiling in anger or condemnation, not pressing forward for some unnatural change in

2:57 things, but waiting calmly in the center for the higher power to provide the correct solution. The I Ching teaches us that all conflict is, in the end, inner conflict. when you see it beginning you are not obliged to pursue it for this only compounds your own misfortune if you cannot regain your equanimity on your own then seek the assistance of a just and impartial person in resolving the difficulty the only way to live free of conflict is to hold steadfast the proper principles in all things

3:42 through balance, patience, and devotion to inner truth. We rise above every challenge. Yeah, that's a good one. Good way to start the day remembering that the only way to get through conflict is to disengage and get back to what's the core balance, equanimity, all those things. And if we have conflict that we can't resolve, appeal to somebody that does know the answers. So listening to Master Cho, you know, not just me, but like him and all of our things and, you know, God and the greatness. You know, Master Cho would always talk about how God is his ultimate inspiration.

4:29 The 4-H himself, you know, God, the Bible, these great masters, these great wisdom. You know, that's where he drew his inspiration. And he lived through the Korean War, which was crazy. They basically killed every single tree in the country, defoliated the entire country in the 50s, right? So anyway, good to see you guys from around the world. We got Arkansas in the house. We got Idaho. We got Mark up in Southern Oregon. Belgium. Oh, my gosh. Good evening. Western Australia. Long Island, New York.

5:17 Yeah. Washington State, Virginia. working towards a degree in horticulture up in Virginia to bring the knowledge I've gained in natural farming that's cool and which by the way I was working on this the other day because I had had some interesting things happen where I was last time I was talking about host papa going out and um let's see here let me bring this over here hang on one sec yeah okay and then hit that and so basically i actually let me go let me slide this sucker over

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7:33 category. So if you're in Hawaii, you want to attend the HFU convention where I'll be teaching two courses on natural farming. One is on KNF and human health. So we're going to make a bunch of fermented plant juices together and, or not make a bunch, but take ones that are made and mix, make mixed drinks and show people how they can take these tasty things that you've made and make a delicious farm treat to keep you the most important tool going. And the second one is going to be IMO for soil optimization.

8:08 And that is using the indigenous microbes and all the natural farming solutions to optimize your soil. So if you're in Hawaii or you want to fly to Maui, you know, and you want a free ticket to the HFU convention, enter here contest at pureknf.org. and then you'll get a free ticket there. And then there's, you know, some terms and conditions talking about how it works and all that. So, but anyway, looking forward to that. Thanks to the Pure KNF Foundation doing good stuff. And one of the main reasons I went to talk about this right now is someone was studying for horticulture in Virginia.

8:49 So if you go up here and you click on the research up here, research tab. There's all these papers by the University of Hawaii. So if you're wanting to share something with your professors, your people that are in academia, these are all peer-reviewed by the College of Tropical Ag and Human Resources of the University of Hawaii. And these are all these papers. And if you look at them, for instance, like check out the Oriental Herbal nutrient one, you'll see that yours truly is an author on these papers and that, um, did contribute

9:28 some to this and, um, really written by Mike DuPont though, uh, the godfathers of natural farming, but all these are the solutions in a peer reviewed college header thing. So if you're wanting to get these like into your system, you can then introduce your professors this way. And it's not just like some magic stuff you learned on the internet. It's actually peer reviewed from a university. So all those are available at pureknf.org slash research and, um, take you to this page where you can get all those. So, um, anyway, just wanted to share that with you and what's up, uh, Tyler

10:12 in Oklahoma. And let's see, go back to this guy here. And yeah, so Belgium, let's see here. Louisiana. Yeah. Clean up the mouth of the Mississippi, man. We need it. Heard that thing's going dry because of the terrible soil practices. Yeah. Conflict is inevitable. It's about changing minds without the use of violence. Yes, exactly. Balance and equanimity. Same in natural farming. You know, it's a conflict-free farming method where you're bringing balance versus trying to juice the plant and come into conflict. Instead, you're trying to restore

10:56 equanimity, restore peace, restore the soil, restore all these great things. So it's really a non-conflict type of farming. Oh, and you're in Oregon. Okay, Oregon State. OSU in the house. It's the beavers, right? Yeah, beavers, beavers. My sister was a duck. That's how I know that. So, yeah, and Tanzania. What's up? Oh, man, it's a worldwide community. um so um okay um so uh the busby is kind of starting to ask a question here or more like

11:43 tell a little story here and um Um, so the Busby is saying, uh, I recently took, uh, on a new project that has some existing six-year-old fig trees. Um, currently a lot of the leaves have rust spots on them. Um, but I am noticing there is these black spots on the leaves. um so probably that's a fungal or bacterial thing starting to grow on there rust rust is i believe a fungus i think it's a fungus um so in these black spots on the leaves and the trunks can i use knf to save these trees um absolutely absolutely um

12:32 now um the way to do it way to do it there's there's a couple ways okay one one one way is kind of more conventional approach here. And it would be to do like the Jadam type of thing where you can mix a sulfur and he actually has some, if you search here, um, yeah, let me just search this up. Uh, Jadam rust. Um, and, oh and it's you can't really find this here so it's not um but basically he in his book his jadam book he talks about um using those tools like sulfur and a few other gnarly things but

13:23 so there is you can go and attack it but this is about conflict it's about bringing balance and you're in conflict so you don't really want to imbalance these things so So getting the IMOs on the leaves, so making a liquid IMO. So take your IMO from the forest, get it, either use your seed IMO, which is just the IMO you've gathered mixed with sugar, and make that into a tea, or go through the process of actually bulking it up to make a propagated IMO, where you bulk it out in a substrate, feeding it nutrients and then activate it by adding soil in and going through to make what

14:06 master Cho would call IMO four, which is just activated IMO with your soil. So it's been got the seed and you propagated it, then you activate it with your soil and make that into a tea and then spray it up on the leaves. And that's going to be a great solution because you will, Like I was talking last week on this, heavily about this. Last week's presentation was great. I'll go over to this one here and actually set it up with this one. And here it was talking about soil environment recovery. and a getting the soil better but also using the leaves to make your leaves a bit stronger

14:52 and right towards the end of this presentation right here he was talking about microbes of a healthy leaf and you see this fungus you see these bacterias all on the leaf surface and if you have a disease leaf you have it where there's not a bunch of microbes on there and they're leaving those spaces open for those the rust and the black spot to form and so the key is to get enough microbes up there and get them into their spot another quick easy way to do it besides making the imo is to go with the knf protectors so those are the

15:33 your lactic acid bacterias. And those are here. I think it's still sharing. Yeah. Okay. And then going down to the lactic acid bacteria. So this is in my recipe book at knfsupport.com. And go to this recipe here where you make the KNF protectors. And then dilute this one to 1000 and spray that on your leaf surface. And these microbes, These will grow and protect your leaves and get rid of those kinds of disease. But the disease can also be somewhat nutritionally dependent. Like if your things are hungry and you're, you know, like think of people that are like, you know, hungry and cracked out.

16:20 They're going to have all kinds of disease on them. So not only putting good microbes, protecting it, but also in the book here, going up to the nutrient formulas where you take all these different nine solutions, which the protectors are part of that right here, and the microbes, the IMO and the protectors, and then mixing those up in a leaf solution here where you're going to mix this solution. So all these together and then spraying it on your figs will also provide the nutrition. so it's a it's a combo of getting the great microbes in your leaf surface but then also

17:04 feeding your plant and feeding it foliarly it'll take this right in and help especially the structure here this one to a thousand structure really helps to harden off the leaf surface and get it to be great and then alternating between the leaf solution and this fruit solution here. If you look at the this page here it kind of talks about how it goes through a chubby and skinny phase as your plant is growing and that you alternate these solutions that you're using. So if you get the book you'll see understand know and as you know hang out at the office hour check

17:46 it out lots of good people in the chat talking about all kinds of good things but those are the basic ideas of getting good microbes on your leaf surface, provide your plant enough nutrition, and then get the soil really well. So if you're curious about that, I talked about it a lot in detail last week going over that presentation, and it's at the end of last week's office hour, which I think was October 30th or something. So yeah, so that's how you use KNF. And then And also, Mark, who's arm bruster, Rock Martin, is talking about putting OHN on there, I think.

18:30 And OHN also helps to get rid of those types of things. Okay. So, and that's in your leaf solution here. It's in there already. That's why it works. And that's why it's basically like, hey, these things work. um so anyhow um so james caracola i saying um he used the can f structure on his vanilla farm and got rid of got a lot of flowers not got rid of them got a lot of them please advise what is the next nutrient to use for enlarging them and when. So to get large vanilla beans, man, you are,

19:18 you know, it's all about conflict, not getting into conflict. It's all about creating this balance here. And so James, after you've gotten good flower, A, you got to pollinate them. So most likely you got to go out and hand pollinate those flowers. I'm just saying, you know, you need to pollinate them. Otherwise you're not going to get beans. There is some animals that do it. I think flies or something that pollinate the vanilla. I'm not exactly sure. But I remember as a kid, I would go out at night and you have to do it at night for some reason. I think maybe that's

19:52 when the blossoms open and I'd tap the flowers, get the pollen in a little film canister and then take a paintbrush and go out there. And I remember, I don't, when I, like I said, I was a little kid doing this. So, um, but I remember taking the paintbrush and then sticking it up in the, you know, kind of artificially inseminating these flowers with the pollen. So, um, and I remember we kept that pollen in the fridge. So, Hey, you got to pollinate. If you didn't pollinate, you're not going to get beans, even though you've got a great flower set, it's going to be just the

20:24 natural pollination just isn't nearly as good as the great pollination. And I think that's why bees don't do it because it's at night. I'm pretty sure something like this and then you got to pollinate. So hopefully you've pollinated to getting great, good beans. The key then is that you would be, so you've, you're in this nutrient cycle here. Let's see if I can, oh shoot, I scrolled away. Let's see here. So I was actually trying to make this a little bit bigger here and slide this over. And so you pass the puberty phase. You're now into the blooming phase when the flowers bloom

21:11 and then you want to get into this pregnancy and ripening phase. It's very similar to a human if you can think of it. But you're going to enter a chubby skinny chubby skinny and right in here it's mostly that you're going to apply fruit formula and how to use this guide there's a whole video on it of how to time this out with your crop and how to make it all synchronize and that's why i also teach classes which by the way are coming up have classes here um knffarm.com i have classes coming up here at the farm that you can be a part of and get in on it

21:56 um january 6th through the 12th and i only have one more um ticket or pass opportunity to stay at the farm so you still can come to big island stay somewhere else and get in on it but if you want to stay at the farm, there's only one more left. So if you're thinking about it and you're on the fence, hey man, now's the time. But you can learn all about this charts and how to grow great big vanilla beans, great flowers, great fruits, great whatever you're wanting to grow because we go through it and you get a like a seven day immersion understanding more KNF than

22:36 you can handle. So bring a notebook or video recorded or something so you can remember what we go over because that's what we do. Um, so I also teach people in person how to do this, uh, just saying, um, and let's see what else here. I may as well pump my own stuff, right? It's my own show. I was looking up how to monetize YouTube and it's like, sell your own stuff. It's like, Oh really? There's no way to really make money on YouTube because people, you know, although I do appreciate the super chats when they come through, um, you know, and if I answered

23:08 your question. It saved you a bunch of money. Hey, think of that or donate to the foundation or donate directly to me at naturalfarminghawaii.net slash donate. However, it doesn't matter. I'm also doing great things. I mean, to say it doesn't matter is not, I don't want to undervalue any contribution I have, but I'm not doing this just for the contributions is what I mean when I say it doesn't matter. It really does matter. You're all that really matters. It really matters. um so anyway not to demean that and get off subject and get off topic

23:38 um but cecily is saying she takes the oh and ohm see this is why the acronyms are weird the knf medicine every day for post-nasal drip no coughing for two years see and that's why at the hfu convention we are going to talk about korean natural farming for human health because it's stuff like this where people may have nasal drip or allergies or all these things and they could be tuning in to korean natural farming the same thing they're going to put on their plants they could dilute and make for themselves with some ice cold water or warm water depending on

24:18 how you roll and healing yourself because you're your number one tool you're the sky crane of your farm. Um, and we finally got the, at my house a few weeks ago, OHN was definitely part of our treatment plan. Yes. Yes. And, um, yeah, so it helps me recover. Um, however, uh, just, you know, when I got, when I got the Rona, I had also simultaneously a kidney infection. I'm not sure which one caused the other, but oh man, my kidneys were on fire and chlorine dioxide. Oh my gosh. It, it fixed everything. I, I, within a half hour, my, for 15 minutes, my kidneys were back down.

25:07 My fever went down. Um, didn't, I didn't feel like I was dying. Um, chlorine dioxide. It's awesome. Not gonna lie. Um, you know, people, people hate on it, whatever, but I can tell you the proof's the pudding at work for me, told my friend who's a physician's assistant. He was like, yeah, but that stuff can kill you other ways. And sorry, sorry to make your voice sound like that when I'm talking. He's actually a really good, respectable friend of mine, but he is skeptical as heck on it. And the only thing it did was make my nose slightly dry, like not, not the inside,

25:40 but the outside a little flaky. So obviously it does have some side effects of like flaking you out, but it could have been that I was also extremely dehydrated from the whole process and everything. But, um, Hey, put that in your medicine cabinet, look it up. Glorine dioxide. I'm making no medical claims here, but it worked for me. Um, so yeah, donations make it possible. So with that got through all the questions here, it's great. Um, love you guys reaching out. Not going to end it here. In fact, I'm going to transition over to the presentation that I was

26:17 going through and continuing to go through. So if you have more questions, drop them in the chat. I did find out that the chat goes away. So it's not always there. So if you want to watch the chat, you got to watch it within the first 48 hours or so. Apparently the chat goes away. I got a sneeze. Hang on. hey god bless you yeah hey 80 year old typing man 80 year old farming that is that's amazing i i really i really appreciate it and you know it's amazing to see one of the things that trips me out is that knf is multi-generational it's not just um these where it's like you know the

27:02 Average age farmer is something like 60 plus in America. I think it's globally probably too. Salute. But the, you know, so 80, you're actually not that old of a farmer. And, you know, that's another alarming factor is that, you know, we're old. So anyway, I'm just going to go get into this presentation, quickly go through this review of last week, and then get on to the new bits. So Master Cho talking about soil environment recovery or how to make your soil come back to life is a better way of saying it.

27:41 And he talks about this whole system, how the microbes are involved and how it naturally defends itself. And this talks about, you know, here's a pathogen, say this is the black mold or the rust coming. And then if you got good microbes, they will defend your leaves. and then as your plant reaches out for more nutrients, it gets more ability to heal itself. And we talked about how using IMO, seawater, and grass is a great formula. And there was a question, forget exactly who, I think it was my buddy in Paris or France that was asking about this

28:18 and he was saying, well, cut grass? No, Master Cho's talking about living grass, like letting the grass grow tall in your orchard or wherever you're growing, between your crops, wherever to get it going. And then you get this great soil where there's airspace inside and the roots can reach out and the fungus can pull nutrients as it balls things together and then extracts things out. And a living soil is like this. And then, but if you're working with dead soil, there's no way for the fungus to reach out and grab nutrients. There's no aggregation,

28:49 there's no airspace there's no water penetration all of these things right talked about this last week and then here's where where you have good soil the roots can reach out super far whereas if it's dead it's like there's excess nutrients that shouldn't be there they're not in the right place there's bad nematodes there's poor aggregation these roots only reach out a very small way and so this is no wonder there's disease above because there's there's dis-ease below right so expansion so get your good rhizosphere get you know grow tall grass where roots will be

29:26 penetrating in put seawater to chemically flocculate your soil and put IMOs to bring it to life right and then here's a picture of the IMOs that he's collecting you know look at all that mycelium this is obviously under a bamboo great place to gather because bamboos put out more sugars and their roots naturally aggregate more IMOs. Here's another couple pictures. And then if you see, if you dig down under the IMOs, you're seeing all this great aggregated soil, just like the picture. And this is where you're going to want to put your collection box right

30:00 down on the good aggregated soil. Cause these aren't, these microbes, even though they look good are not necessarily the microbes you're after. You're after these microbes that are in this soil area which i don't know if you guys can see my mouse i'm gonna um hang on one sec i'm gonna make it just a little bit bigger for you and this other day someone was talking about how the mouse isn't that big let me see here pointer size let's make it extremely large there you go and so there you can see so these are the microbes you're after these ones in the soil

30:40 not necessarily these these are on the surface showing you there's good microbes below but these are them oh and super chat thank you jennifer thank you it's a good encouragement for other people to do super chat as well because those are always fun right so um so looking at the here's a great imo collection again lao hala basket just like we advocate in hawaii and those are it's down deep enough to get the microbes. It's not just in this top leaf litter, it's down below. And then, of course, you can take these same microbes from the soil and put them on the

31:17 plant leaf surface so that you get rid of this, like I was talking about earlier. So, and, you know, make more photosynthesis. And then, you know, as I talked last time, paper beats rock right and also it beats scissors well or rock beats scissors so don't try to crack through the rock with tools and try to chip the rock or try to smash it or try to open your soil instead use paper to defeat rock right so trees going through rocks right that's a classic you know, rock, paper, scissors type of thing. Uh, you know, rock beats scissors, but paper beats rock,

31:59 right? So use that analogy there and use trees to penetrate and break it, break everything apart. So, so that's a little review from last week. If you like that, go check out the previous office hours and the previous office hours are at knfsupport.com and again the previous office hours are here and you can go up to office hours and you can find and look and it looks like actually last week's one isn't there but it'll be there after today's episode when I put it up because not only do I work for an office hour I also work afterward to do all the background behind the

32:42 scenes things to make sure that these websites stay current. And there's also other folks in the Peer KNF Foundation that do a lot of work behind the scenes as well. That if I've got to go back three episodes, because it looks like they're a bit behind, but here back at the August 28th one, and maybe it's just because I haven't uploaded them yet, but there are table of contents here. So if you're like, what did he talk about this office hour? If you go back a few episodes, you will find these. And if you are interested in doing table of contents and doing it in a

33:15 timely fashion so that we can have it that week done, we have actually monetary reward for doing it. So get in touch with me, drake at pureknf.org. And if you're interested in making these table of contents, I would love it because right now it's two folks that are doing it and they're great. I really appreciate it. It's happening. They're doing it, but I also want it to happen timely. Like it'd be great if it was done right now as we're doing it real time. You'd have these table of contents because then it's like now I can look back and see exactly what's happening.

33:49 But if you go back to any of the older episodes, you'll find they all have table of contents here under them. So you can find, you know, foaming lacto if that's a problem with you. How's Master Cho doing? You know, you can find out all these questions and more about eating insects is not a solution. and all these have past table of contents. And if you're thinking to yourself, wow, that's great, but I don't want to go to each episode. Well, then you can search here and you can search for insects. And all of a sudden now it'll show you every episode that contains the word insects in it, right?

34:24 And apparently there's only two, but now you can search the office hours. So isn't that great as well? So anyway, let you know, that's how to go back to the older episodes, Find them, knfsupport.com. Look under office hours, you'll find it. But let us not digress too far and let us get into today's bit of this, which is continuing Master Cho's presentation on indigenous microorganisms, also known as IMO. and this is by Master Cho's old organization before it was hijacked by other folks. So what is the indigenous microorganisms?

35:14 Well, you can read this Kringlish here in a variety of soil microorganisms. So it means that basically what he's going for is extreme diversity in a variety. It means that it's not just one microbe. like oftentimes when academia studies IMOs it'll break it down to say well it's bacillus subtilis primarily or it's um uh I don't know there's there's there's two microbes that are really predominant in there and they'll say oh it's these if you have these these are IMOs and it's like well it's actually a bunch of subtle diverse microbes that you're able to capture through

35:54 this process and then propagate up to extremely large quantity and volumes. And in the propagation process, you're also getting more diversity happening. And you're also getting indigenous ones that are tuned to your zone. So you're getting a huge variety and diversity. So in a variety of soil microbes, that's what they're talking about. Very subtle, small ones in there with tons and tons and tons of diversity. And it says their own ability and strength to live and find out alive. Again, Kringlish, right? That's why I'm going through this presentation, breaking it down in solid English.

36:34 And it means that they are well adapted to your zone. All right. What is the strongest microbe in an area? It's the one from that area. If I bring in a foreign microbe, like a great analogy for this is to take somebody who's from a northern climate and bring them down to a southern climate. All of a sudden, they're like sweating too much. They're too hot. They're getting sunburn. They're getting disease. They get like hookworm and they get like all kinds of disease and all that kind of stuff. And you're not very well adapted.

37:10 So the local people are out there working all day and the person from the northern climate is like, oh, it's too hot. I got to go, you know, and they get sunburned and they're like, oh, they got to have all these other like tools to help them and take the juxtaposition on it. Take someone from a southern climate, bring them to a northern climate and they're like freezing to death. They don't know how to chop wood and make a fire to stay warm in winter. They just they're used to just like, you know, sleeping outside. All of a sudden it's like cold.

37:37 They forget to bring a sweater when they go in a building. it during the day because they come out in the night and it's cold and they freeze. They don't know how to drive in the snow. They crash their car. They lock up their brakes. You know, think of all this, like if you can think of it on a human level, you can think of it on the microbial level, except for, you know, for us, we move many miles. For microbes, even moving a mile is a fair amount of distance for them because they're so tiny, right? You take that same tininess and multiply a mile and it's like, whoa, they've moved

38:09 thousands of times their body length, right? Whereas a human, it's like, okay, we've, you know, we've gone pretty far, but, you know, it's that adaptability, it's that climate. And also taking, you know, from one side of the island to the other, which is less than a hundred miles, but it's also extremely different climactically, right? So thinking about the ones that are right there are your strongest ones. They have the best ability. They know how to use the local resources and the environment and ability to cope. So this next point here, environment, ability to cope,

38:45 is they're already used to working your soil, right? Like if I get a microbe that's from a lab or somewhere else and I try and bring it in, it's not going to know how to best deal with that soil, these water conditions these climates these things it just doesn't know you know so so the native ones that they're already you know using those local resources they already know where to go where the water is where the resources where the nutrients are hey your super chats super chats are great i i i really do appreciate those they really do help me and i am because i'm building

39:23 all kinds of stuff in the, uh, on the farm and things ain't cheap, man. I tell you taking this hour to do this, it's great to nourish the community, but it's also great to get nourished a little bit back. So appreciate it. Thank you. Uh, the buzz, um, and the soil environment, you know, like they build the best soil environment, right? Your indigenous microbes. It's not like bringing in foreign ones. It's taking what's there, collecting them, like think and then bulking them up into like trillions of them and then giving them really good food and

39:55 then putting them back and so it's you're getting these exact like imagine imagine for instance like uh you know take america for instance and you take the native american people that have been just like oh just just treated so poorly like go look up you want to you want to like start crying and realize what went wrong, go look up the California genocide and start looking at the Trail of Tears and look at what happened in the 1830s and 1860s and all the way. It's just like, oh man, 1849, the California gold rush brought all these people and they annihilated the indigenous

40:39 people. And it's just like, they would just kill them. It's like, that's crazy, man. That's a human being. So, I mean, speaking as we're at war, right? It's like, oh my gosh. But the thing is, they knew how to live off the land, right? The natives. So imagine you take the natives and you give them just the most resources. So instead of subjugating them to the worst land and providing drugs and alcohol and depressing them and multi-generational trauma, you actually take these folks and big them up and tell them, look, you guys can be the leaders here. You guys

41:16 have the indigenous knowledge. You guys are some of the best people on earth. You're more in touch with spirit. You're more in touch with nature. You're more in touch with your actual natural surroundings. You know, and you create this mind idea that they're powerful, right? And they are, right? And then feed them and give them just the most resources instead of like giving money to banks or big oil or subsidizing monocrop corn, you actually give the money back to the natives and give them the ability to like replenish the salmon, reforest the nations, you know,

41:52 bring the wildlife back into balance, plant more oak trees, you know, like bring that, bring it back to like the permaculture stuff, which I kind of do romanticize and idealize it. Not saying that, you know, it's whatever, but, but giving the resources to the indigenous folks versus the industry, the military, the killing, like give the resources to the peaceful people, the ones that are going to like love and build and nourish children and put children on the land and reconnect, you know, the next generations, thinking seven generations ahead, give them the

42:27 resources. I'm pretty sure the land would recover. I'm pretty sure, you know, we wouldn't have Costco and all these things where we just live like, and we drive, zoom around in cars and go a thousand miles an hour. You may have to walk some places, but the land would recover. Our health would return. The microbes, the soil, all these things. I'm not saying get rid of all that stuff. I'm saying just shift the resources towards land care. Shift the resources towards people that are doing this stuff. And they will build a great soil environment. So that analogy of giving the

43:02 resources to your native people, bulking them up, then they will build a better soil environment and it will come, you know, imagine there's thousands of them and they're, you're, you're bred, you know, not bred like this, that's kind of like a eugenics type of term, but like they're enabled, they're empowered to thrive instead of being suppressed and oppressed. And, um, you know, like Hawaii, man, we get, we get all this spam shipped in and like all this stuff. And it's like, you know, locally, we don't even value kalo in the land. It's so hard to obtain, you know,

43:35 based on like, you know, to do agriculture, it's like, man, you just sell out to development. Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent here. Really, what I want to focus on is microbes and not these things here. And everyone kind of understands that. And Partita, which she's been just amazing in the comments here is talking about, you know, the distinct differences between local microbes and, um, yeah. So yeah. And, and yeah, the, the local ones are designed for extreme stress, unless they're oppressed by like guns and ammo and, you know, systematic extinction and genocides.

44:18 Right. Um, but we kind of do that, do that with conventional farming and the tilling and stuff. So characteristics, again, and I think this is what Partita is getting into, they have the ability to decompose organic compounds. So how are they getting their food? How are they powering themselves up? Well, in a natural functioning system, they're making it richer and leaf matter is falling. Animals are dying. Birds are pooping. Insects are putting frass, chitin. You know, all this whole system is functioning and the microbes have the ability to decompose it.

44:53 and turn it back into nutrients that are available for uptake again. They also, it says catalyst. I don't know, catalysis. It's kind of weird. Maybe that is the way you spell it. Catalysts of chemical processes in the soil. So the microbes, if you're not familiar with enzymes, that's really an interesting thing to look up. Suze is reading about the GAPS diet. My wife Suze is reading, you know, which stands for, I don't know. I shouldn't say things that I don't know. But these enzymes are super important, and the microbes secrete these, which then accelerates and helps the chemical processes

45:43 and breakdown. Enzymes are kind of the drivers. And this is something that I was listening to the higher side chats with this guy on water the other day, and he was talking about enzymes. It's really a thing I want to get into and look up more. What are enzymes? Because zyme is like life, right? Like, like B champ had these things called zymates, which were these cores of life that then build these outer shells and enzyme, like so enzymes where it's like, I don't know, I really need to look and research more on enzymes. But they do,

46:20 they don't break down and they help catalyze chemical processes. So cool. And Partita knows about these enzyme in the database, and I would love to learn more about enzymes. I gotta, maybe I should get some books on that and dive deep into that. and they help facilitate recovery, right? The indigenous microbes help to recover the land, right? And we showed that prior, right? Where they make airspace, they make water, they help roots grow, they help carbon be stored, they help mitigate erosion, they help

46:58 oxidize the soil, all these things. So the natural ecosystem recovers from the indigenous microbes. not to say there's not other microbes that'll help with that but these ones are the sustainable over the long term in balance and the suppressant suppression of disease which again we're talking about earlier the black spots on the figs by circulating naturally active materials so the the um and you know the microbes reach out and bring nutrients around and if there's too much in an area, they'll spread it out and put it into these carbon stores like a bank, right?

47:36 And so the microbes naturally suppress disease by giving the nutrition that the plants want. And Jat Khabi says it's dollar free. It's pretty much free to do this. If you follow the JMS recipe, which is disgustingly cheap microbes, or it's pretty inexpensive to use a substrate, especially if you're farming and you have your own and you have like a chipper shredder, or you have a machete and a lot of time. There's all these ways to get it. So it's very low cost as well. You don't have to have some fancy lab and sterile environment, all these things. You

48:14 just naturally grab what's there, feed them, put them back out. It's pretty simple. It's simple, like makes total sense. I teach this to elementary school kids and they're like, yeah, of course, mister. What are we learning about today? And it's like, no, you don't understand that adults don't understand this concept. And they're like, but it's obvious, mister. It's like, well, you know, at least you guys know now because you guys are going to turn to adults and adults are all kinds of confused. They're like, we need to save the world,

48:42 build a big machine, spend a bunch of money. Um, I don't know, but the kids are like, yeah, you take what's there, you make it better and you put it back. They're like, yeah, that makes sense, mister. It's like, yeah, what are we missing on the large scale? What are, what are the, you know, If anyone can get in touch with Bill Gates and send him over here for a week, I'd love to. Probably might. Anyway, I got to let go of the anger of what I feel like he's done to us and bring out the teaching this guy. And first off, the other thing is just demonetize those guys.

49:15 Stop participating in their system. It's fake money. And they're just choking everyone. So anyway, a lot of other things on the topic today. But let's stick back to the microbes and go to collecting IMO. Stay on the presentation. That's good. Focus. Let go of the conflict, right? Let it go. Peace, equanimity. Stick to balance. The words of the sage, you know? Yeah. So collecting IMO and the time of collection. IMO can be collected at any time. What's the best time to collect IMO? Right now. No, there's a few times you don't want to collect.

49:54 Um, those are, um, when it's really, really rainy and, um, also if it's super, super dry. Um, but, but either, either of those times, you know, if that's your natural climate, go for it, collect it. Cause if that's naturally happening all the time, you can do it. Right. So should you collect in winter? Yes. Should you collect a summer? Yes. Should you collect a spring? Yes. Should you collect a fall? Yes. Should you collect anytime, all the time? Probably. Right. Um. Yeah. Teach gates or compost them. Yeah. Either way, but peace, man. Peace. Um,

50:30 yes, yes. And also the other benefit of IMOs is when you're making them, you can bury yourself in a pile and get all this healing happening. And that's, that's really where it's at, right? Get all this happening. So the period of collection, again, it, it, this is what he means. It means like, how long should you leave your IMO box out? And in the spring and fall, he says seven to 10 days in the summer it's four to five days. So for me here, um, I always feel like, you know, it's about five days for me here in Hawaii. You know, this can actually go, if

51:06 you're going to do it in winter, make this like 14 to 20 days, you know, uh, it takes a long time and winter is really not the best time to collect, but you can, um, it's best to like insulate it really, really well. And, but it's best to do, you know, spring, fall, summer, but the time of collection changes because the temperature changes and the variable of the microbes growing faster or slower changes, right? So be aware of that. And he talks about the place of collection, like where should you collect arable fields and the closest field that is slightly higher than, what does he

51:41 say here? Oh, can I not slide that up? It's not at the actual text box. No, it's not. Oh, look at that nice hand though. I like that. Yeah. It's like Mickey mouse's glove. Um, oh yeah, cool. Um, I don't know why it's a glove now, but, um, anyway, yeah, the high, you know, slight, slightly higher than your elevation. There's the text is hidden behind. Apparently this is just a, um, image of a image. Um, but you know, go, go to a, you know, a nice forest in your fields, fields that are slightly, you know, but you're wanting to get the IMOs that are in your fields,

52:22 bamboo that's nearby, banana that's nearby, um, forests, any of those things. Um, yeah. Don't forget we live like soil microbes in a multi-trophic, multi-directional complex system. layer one can end the day on layer five. Yeah. So I think, I think there is infinite hope and that not letting the globalists get us down, but becoming the globalists, becoming the fed, being those guys, right? Um, yeah. And avoid herbicides if you can, or if you want to get herbicide tolerant ones, mix those in with, you know, the best thing to do is get multiple

53:07 collections from multiple areas as close to you and as rich in a nearby area as you can. Right. so materials for collecting a lunch box of course because you're going to feed them which is you know just a square rectangular box made out of natural materials such as japanese cedar or bamboo or in our case that woven laohala coconut basket some type of thing here so the lunch box type of thing it's just a little small box it's meaning that you're not getting a huge thing, like how big would you fit your lunch in? You know, it's, you don't,

53:44 you just need a reasonable size, like a foot by a foot is like, you know, enough. You don't want to go like three feet and make this huge collection box. You really want a small like lunchbox size is really what it's meaning here. Um, low, low moisture rice, and, um, you can use any starch, but low moisture rice is one of the best. So hard cook it, meaning that when I cook rice, I take like, you know, this much rice, that much water, you know, about three quarters of the amount of water and put that in and hard cook it.

54:15 And I use an instant pot to do it, but you could cook it on a stove any way you cook rice to do it. And that will give you kind of slightly dry on the inside, but wet on the outside. And that's important because too much moisture will make it go anaerobic and you're trying to collect aerobic good soil microbes. So be careful on that.

54:35 Then they're using white paper. Of course, it has to be white. No, it doesn't. In fact, you can use like a t-shirt or something, but some sort of or paper towels, something to cover the top of your collection box. Right. And that seals in the gases so that they can do quorum sensing. and so and then they use a rubber band or rice straw to put over the top um and if you look if you're really interested in this process and you haven't been um you know tuned in that much um going to youtube or in fact click on my channel here so i'm just gonna shortcut to my channel

55:19 no view it on YouTube no I maximize it my mouse is too big it's oh why did I do that I wanted to just go here and you click down here on my name go to the channel and then it turns out they move this way over here this search thing and search for IMO but oh is it even it's not even there oh this one this one right here how to collect IMO indoor so this one you want to really see how it's being done. This video right here, how to collect IMO indoor is really a great one because it shows how we're burying it in here and how we're moistening it. And you could do the

56:03 same thing outdoors, but you'll see that when we place the rice, like here's the rice being placed and then right towards the end, here's the box being put in there, right? And this one, we put the cover on and then this other one. So there's the cover being put on that one. And then the other one, look, there's sticks being put across it to make it go. These sticks are put to keep the paper out. And then sure enough, right after that, after the sticks are put on to keep the paper from falling down onto the rice, then the paper is put over, right? And the paper just gives

56:42 it that lid so that it stays solid. And this is how to do it here. And then here there's rice straw and that's put on either side. And the reason for that is there's a lot of bacillus subtilis, different microbes in the rice straw and it sort of helps it go. So that and then after that, of course, it is buried over and we bury it and put it way underneath. So that's like, you know, how to collect. This is a video of how to do it. Um, you know, great time with Master Lee teaching us how to do this. So glad for Ray and, and, um, his organization to make that happen

57:22 there and teach us all this because, you know, when you see this rice straw here, I would have been confused why, but that's exactly how. So, um, and then a container box. So if you're not doing it indoors, put a cage or something above it, but not so you're keeping it off the floor and, um, mark the location. So you don't lose this thing buried in the ground. Right. Um, so, so some sort of cage to put over it. Um, if, if you're doing it outdoors, so that's collecting IMO seeing the video, it's, uh, you know, you get it there. Um,

57:59 to have a video on liquid IMO, uh, I should make one on liquid IMO. In fact, I do have videos on it. Um, post up media is helping me work through a bunch of the videos. I do have them. Are they out? Are they published? No, I've been sitting on it for like a couple, a couple of weeks here. So a couple, almost a year now of the footage that we shot last November. Um, and anyway, oh, a lot to do. And also sometimes I lose my, um, like the ability to want to sit at this office and slam out a bunch of Premiere Pro and do video editing. I'm just like, ah.

58:37 Sometimes it doesn't seem like it's that important in my life, to be honest. I feel like other things take precedence, even though it does make a lot of difference for you guys. But I already know it, and it's like, I got to share this. Like, oh, man, come on. Anyway, so the collection site, you know, where to collect. So this is going a little bit back on this one here, where it says place of collection here from that slide. You know, putting it near bamboo, they have sweetness in the roots. And there's also a lot of broadleaf leaf litter growing up.

59:12 That's where he recommends to put it, you know. So bananas also put a lot of exudates out of their roots. That's why they're a good choice. Bamboos, you know, things like mango trees, avocados. but if you're not in the tropics which you know I always talk about solutions for the tropics look for something with broad leaves you know don't use with things with pine needles you can but it's better to put it around broad leaf things and then he also recommends putting on a rice stumps so once after you cut the rice they're going to exude a whole bunch of sugars and if

59:48 you put the micro your box out on a rice stump field you'll get a really good collection as well um and it's it well and here's here's the thing too this here here's one point that contradicts something i say all the time it's better to collect in a slightly barren area rather than a nutrient rich area that's something you know i always say make multiple collections do it in your field but also do it in a rich area but right here he's contradicting me and and and he's correct right so we're in conflict so i gotta find peace and equanimity back to this but here it is right

1:00:22 here it's better to collect in a slightly barren area rather than a nutrient rich area so everyone who's saying oh my area is not that great should i drive thousands of miles to go to a forest or hundreds or 20 miles or i don't want to um support you know like but right in your barren areas where you should do it apparently here and i do recommend going to a good area as well but you got IMOs around you use what's at your feet and use these things um and Brandon's asking here slightly off topic question of can you use IMO2 for JMS you can

1:01:02 but it's actually better to use just dirt it's better to use dirt so you can but it's better not to. Um, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And you guys are talking about nutrients and these things. Um, okay. And I don't recommend using OHN in your rice when you cook it, although we'll go through this presentation and see if he recommends it here. Um, you know, here, here's the thing, your steamed rice you put the cover over you bury it deep notice it's deeply buried right that's what he's trying to show here deeply buried so touching the soil beneath even and then covering it with a

1:01:45 plastic sheet to prevent rain and then you know after two days in a hot area which i still find it's five days here in hawaii i mean it's not like 100 degrees but it's it's pretty darn you know it's hot um 10 days in a cool area look the white mold surface looks wet exactly that's how you get the I am a one. Notice he didn't put any, or he actually did put fermented plant juice in there when he was doing the steamed rice. So this is from the forest here. So this is very similar to the recipe I just showed on the video where, you know, taking the leaf mold from the forest,

1:02:21 making sure it's a liquid, you know, moist enough, then putting in a bucket here, like just similar to what I was showing in the video and then cooking the rice with a little bit of fermented plant juice or a can of food put in there at a one to a thousand dilution actually looks like a one to a hundred one no it's one to a thousand yeah dilution here with this steamed rice and then leave it for a you know leave it a day although I think it's more than one day um and then here's an example of doing the um the rice harvesting and it looks

1:03:01 like he's putting his box upside down i don't know i don't think that's exactly oh oh put the box face down on the rice after harvesting yeah so he was putting it face down that's wild so hopefully your rice is really packed in there to stay in there i don't know how you'd want to have it and you gotta keep wires to keep the rats out because the rats love that race rats love destroying everything good um so anyway going through i'm gonna kind of speed up because i'm getting towards the end of the office hour here and um yeah so and then here you know them just

1:03:42 going out to their good forest of course have a good friend with you really appreciate julia's videos. She's been documenting this. So check out Julia's channel. She's in the chat. It's Julia and check out her channel. She's been doing a whole bunch. Um, here's, you know, here's the thing. They're putting this over, putting a rubber band on it. But again, you saw the other one with the sticks. Uh, and here's, you know, they're, they're collecting the IMO, bringing all this leaf litter. Notice it's not just leaf litter. It's also soil. So don't just get the leaves.

1:04:13 also get the soil bring that back set it up put your little basket over it you know bury it no you know it goes this way so bury it under your things with your soil and then put this here um and then let's see here so im01 is aerobic microorganisms of course that's why you want it to be lots of airspace the color should be white so in the smell of yeast floating which what does that smell oh it's yeast floating no it's it should smell you know kind of yeasty a little bit um and and it should be warm if you're you know if you reach under your box and it's cold

1:04:54 it should be a little warm especially if it's a thin box if it's a thick wood box i don't know if you're going to feel the warmth um and they should be predominantly white like 80 white if you've got tie-dye and all different types of colors uh you got too anaerobic your rice was probably too wet and those things. So this is what Master Cho's nice loaves look like. You know, look, there are some other colors, but it's predominantly this white. And when you flip it over, it's firm, it's not soggy. And it's 80% white here looking at it just to see. That's

1:05:26 showing that you got enough Bacillus subtilis growing and really doing well. So these are his, you know, what should it look like? This is what he gets. And, you know, is my collection good? well does yours look nice like this um and we'll end it right there on this because i'll go into the imo2 starting next time and we'll go do a little bit review get back on this and um what's up thomas glad you're here late awesome man and um you can always go back and watch these things so there's the imo1 there's all those things you know that's what a good collection should look

1:06:03 like cotton ball, nice, rich. Um, but the other one that he shows that was a good collection here is this one, you know, and this is the La Hala basket coming back previously, but this is what you're looking for. These are the microbes you're looking for, right? Um, and so anyway, um, want to thank you guys for tuning in, uh, checking things out, being part of the KNF community globally, uh, making a big difference, even though it may seem like it's small again you know if you want to like subscribe whatever click down below

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1:07:16 of these questions too. Got to get to it before the goof man. No, he actually, he's been really good at answering questions here and I really appreciate the goof man for doing this. So, So, yeah, again, do your best. Minimize conflict with balance and all these things, equanimity. I want to appreciate you all. So, thanks. I'll see you next week. More November for us. Long live the natural farmer. Love you guys. Aloha. Bye now.