Chicken Waterer Pipe Sizes, Feeder Boxes, IMO in Worm Bins
Drake opens with a package from a viewer called the Goofman: candles, hemp wicks, and a 3D-printed lithophane of the photo of Drake and Master Cho. He also warns that hydrated lime in mortar mix burned his hands raw after eight hours without gloves — wear gloves the whole time, and if you're exposed, rinse with vinegar then soap.
Pedro is teaching KNF classes in Brazil, covering IMO3, OHN (KNF medicine), lactobacillus, and water-soluble calcium made from charred eggs and bones. Postup Media's Joel sent an update from his garden in Panama. Joe Peduzzi wrote in that nothing grew on his property before KNF; now he runs seven IMO collections from nearby nature preserves and makes all his own solutions. Drake also plugs his friend Kapila's new Hawaiian Island Tree Service channel, notes that amino acids and fuel can be made from any living organism (sugar plus protein), and warns against adding IMO to a worm bin — it dries the bin out and stresses composting worms, so use KNF protectors (lactobacillus) there instead.
Back in the Master Cho slide presentation, Drake covers the layer chicken watering pipe: start with 1.5-inch PVC, move to 2-inch, then 4-inch as birds mature, with holes drilled slightly off-center and angled away from the chicken so water doesn't wet its chest and cause pneumonia. He then covers feeder boxes — small triangle boxes that get flipped around after about a week, and V-shaped feeders with a spinning rolly bar on top so chickens can't roost or defecate in their own food. He also covers giving chickens access to a natural dirt floor for sand bathing, which keeps skin and feathers healthy.
Drake closes with a reminder that November 2023 on-farm classes are mostly full but January 2024 still has openings at knffarm.com.
Questions answered
- 12:31 What happened working with mortar mix without gloves the whole time? — Hydrated lime in mortar mix burned Drake's hands raw; wear gloves the whole time, and rinse with vinegar then soap if exposed.
- 16:18 What is Pedro teaching in his KNF classes in Brazil? — IMO3, OHN (KNF medicine), lactobacillus solutions, and water-soluble calcium from charred eggs and bones.
- 22:53 What changed on Joe Peduzzi's property after he started KNF? — Nothing would grow before; now he runs seven IMO collections from nearby nature preserves and makes all his own solutions.
- 35:35 Can two dead rats fermented in sugar for a year make good fuel? — Yes — amino acids come from any living organism combining sugar and protein, so it works as fuel.
- 36:19 Do worms and IMO compete or work together under a mulch layer? — Don't put IMO in a worm bin — it dries the bin out and stresses composting worms; use KNF protectors (lactobacillus) there instead.
- 47:28 What pipe sizes and hole placement work for a KNF layer chicken waterer? — Start with 1.5-inch PVC, move to 2-inch, then 4-inch as chickens grow, with holes drilled off-center and angled away from the bird to prevent pneumonia.
- 56:00 What are the dimensions for KNF chicken feeder boxes? — Small triangle boxes flip around after about a week; medium and large V-shaped feeders add a spinning rolly bar so chickens can't roost or defecate in their food.
- 1:01:34 Why do chickens need sand bath access? — A natural dirt floor full of living IMOs lets chickens dust bathe, which keeps their skin and feathers healthy.
- 1:03:30 When are the next on-farm KNF classes? — November 2023 is mostly booked; January 2024 still has openings at knffarm.com.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Countdown
- 1:26 Intro and Welcome
- 3:38 I Ching Reading: Gradual Progress
- 8:25 Package from the Goofman: candles, wicks, lithophane
- 12:31 Mortar mix burns hands - wear gloves
- 16:18 Pictures from Pedro's KNF class in Brazil
- 21:21 Update from Postup Media (Joel)
- 22:53 Joe Peduzzi's email: nothing grew before IMO
- 29:48 Kapila's Trees YouTube channel
- 35:35 You can make KNF fuel from any animal
- 36:19 Do not put IMO in a worm bin
- 39:22 Island Tree Service YouTube channel
- 39:58 Happy Independence Day
- 45:05 Back to the Master Cho presentation
- 47:28 KNF layer chicken watering pipe
- 56:00 KNF chicken feeder box
- 1:01:34 Chicken sand bath access
- 1:03:30 Come learn KNF with Drake & Suze (Nov 2023 & Jan 2024)
Transcript
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3:00 hey good morning or good day good afternoon good wherever you are what time it is yay the time is now the things are happening are right now so um welcome welcome to korean natural farming office hours for July 9th, 2023, and I'm pretty stoked about today. I've got a lot of good things to share, and a lot of good folks have been reaching out to me, and it's just been a whole bunch of fun. But before we get into that, before we get into all that, let's temper ourselves, find some balance, and read some higher wisdom, which today is development or gradual progress.
3:55 And it says, those who persevere make continual progress. Yeah, the image of this hexagram is that of a tree growing high on a mountaintop. If this tree grows too fast, without properly rooting itself, it becomes susceptible to being torn up and destroyed by the winds. If, however, it establishes a proper foundation and it is content to grow gradually, it will enjoy a long life and a lofty view. Human beings are no different.
4:41 While we often desire rapid progress, we want to change someone's mind today. Obtain an apology now. Achieve our goals immediately. Sooner or later, we must come to understand that the only lasting progress is gradual progress. Jin comes to urge you to accept that fact And base your thoughts, attitudes, and actions upon it When we allow ourselves to be pulled off balance By another or by some event The ego tempts us to believe
5:27 That we can influence the situation Through forceful behavior This is incorrect The actions of the ego inevitably complicate our difficulties The greatest influence possible Always comes through patient and steady refinement of one's inner self If you will devote yourself to the path of the sage With every step along that path you will be strengthened and progress will come automatically. It will be gradual, but it will last.
6:12 Be patient, modest, and accepting now. Life often demands that we wait longer than we might like for some change. The only true comfort available during these times is the knowledge that we are steadfastly developing ourselves into superior people. In time, every honor comes to those who are persevering and correct. So, yeah, if that's not the lesson for you of developing gradually and, you know, like this here, seeing you know continuing to show up every sunday doing a live seeing how building a worldwide
7:00 community got tyler coming in for oklahoma what's up tyler hope you and hannah are doing well it's almost time for you guys to visit again um goof man what's up man i got i got some good things to share about the goof man he's he what an awesome soul out there um smoky floyd what's up uh his dog got into the garden. Gradual progress, man. Gradual progress. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. I know how that is. At least your dog didn't run away or get hit, you know? Those are always worse things that could happen. Oh, man. Yeah. Jared, what's up, man? How you? Cecily from Western Australia.
7:48 Solar gourmet coming down from Germany. What's up? um das boot or i don't know is that the only german word i know no um i yeah i have german heritage i guess i should probably know a few more german words um and uh joe joe i got an email from joe uh from long island new york so cool so anyway i wanted to kind of start off today well you know i should always plug my classes i got classes coming up knffarm.com check those out if you're interested. But I got some things in the mail. I think that's probably why I'm pretty
8:29 stoked because, you know, I just started showing up for a YouTube and then I got a, what do you call a mail thing from Mike a couple of weeks ago. And then out of nowhere in the mail, all of a I can tell you I already opened it. But check out these cool things. This is from the goofman up in New York. He sent me this. Let's pull it out here. He sent me this nice letter. This nice letter. And addressed it to not only me. But Suze. And you know. Because my wife is awesome. Couldn't do this without her. Maybe I could.
9:15 But it wouldn't be as good. I'd tell you that. Probably be dead. and then he sent us some cool candles check out these these are like homemade um i put them on a light i don't know can you see them these little candles here it reminds me because he's the goof man it reminds me oh man so i'm gonna put we put these um i actually just took them back down but we put them up on our little um our little table where we keep all our special things and um check out these candles like maybe maybe one's me and one's suz or they're both the goof
9:48 man i don't know but they're pretty darn cool i tell you what um and uh yeah so he i think i think he's a pretty crafty dude actually is what i'm what i'm coming to learn um not only skilled in natural farming and growing in his garden which i've shared in prior episodes um but also like skilled and handy and uh he sent me these sweet little uh wicks wicks in a bottle um so you know if you ever need to light things and uh not get toxic these are little hemp wicks in these little individual bottles pretty pretty awesome you know i can imagine what those are for
10:24 and then last last but not least in here um i don't know if i have it uh let me here i gotta to get this one prepared a little bit but he sent me this right and you look at it you're like what is that what is that but check this out uh it's gonna work this way no i gotta get a better light hang on let me bring this light over oh oh it's not gonna work it's not gonna work you guys you guys just gotta imagine what this is because can you see it yeah there there if i get it real close you can actually see through it but he 3d printed this and how cool is this it's the portrait of me
11:12 and master cho sitting on the bench the picture that i always show and he 3d printed it and when you shine it when you set it up on the window it shines through and it looks just like a picture it's like i don't know how i mean clearly guy with a 3d printer knows how to do this but check it out. I mean, it looks like you look at it. It's just looks like a thing, but then when you look through it and you get close and you see it, it turns into a whole image and it even looks like it's in color. It's like, I don't know. Oh man. Now I outfocus the camera.
11:50 Let me, let me, let me refocus it. Is it going to focus? Oh man. The whole episode is going to be out of focus now. No, but, um, maybe we've got to look at it one more time. That's what it's happening we gotta look at it one more time check that out check that out yeah i guess is it gonna refocus oh no um anyway well since yeah so i'm pretty stoked on that uh yeah how cool is that man so the goof man he's in the chat here like not only is he cool and he helps out and he's like super awesome but he also is crafty man like how cool is that i guess you know probably everybody
12:24 every natural farmer here probably has some knack that way but I really appreciate sharing it and and bringing it in and then since the camera's already zoomed in like this and out of focus I just want to show you my fingers oh now it's looking at me again oh okay it's looking at me again okay I'm just gonna leave it but did you see the rawness on my fingers so each of my fingers I I it's completely it ate through my skin I was um I was building a wall out of mortar and and I was wearing gloves to like keep them protected but eventually it was like eight hours
13:03 of building a wall and eventually the gloves came uh made holes and then I was just like ah screw it I just did it with my hands anyway um and my entire hands are just like totally messed up so let me tell you if you're using mortar mix with hydrated lime uh you know get some gloves and wear some gloves and don't take them off because it's crazy what it did to my hands. Um, and I completely fatigued my body. I was building a wall, uh, after carrying a bunch of concrete down a 200 foot hill, the mortar mix, and then building a wall all day. Um, my entire body's fatigued and
13:39 I did it Friday. I'm still yesterday. I was just like laying there just like, Oh, I can't even move my entire back sees my legs are just cramping up and everything, but I'm feeling better today. my hands are just the worst though anytime and it's so weird to not have it basically melted off all my fingerprints and everything from a chemical burn and my entire fingers are smooth I don't have any texture and it's so weird because anything I touch that's like slightly warm is just burning hot I basically burnt off my entire fingers um and it's like oh my gosh um
14:16 so anyway uh if you're gonna do word of advice if you're gonna work with mortar mix wear gloves um and you know um yeah anyway so i'm i'm doing okay and uh well that was just wild so i'm recovering getting better but uh you know it's for a good cause for a good cause gradual progress just gotta keep on that uh that thing so and the goof man is saying that um this thing here it's a lithophane and um they're pretty cool and uh he's so he's made a bunch and he has in most of his windows he has these things which is awesome and uh yeah yeah uh
15:00 thomas is here now hey what's up we were waiting for you man um but uh then i also also this week or actually last week I got too busy in the talking about soy sauce last week. Um, yeah. And I did, I did wash my hands with vinegar. As soon as I got out of the river, I, I soaked my hands in vinegar for about 10 minutes. And then I, then I washed them with soap. Um, because I knew it would counteract it, but yeah, mortar. Oh man. It's better to have gloves, I think, than just try to, um, especially if you're working for eight hours in a wet environment, my hands got all
15:35 pruney and stuff. It was just wild and wicked. Um, so hang on, let me pull up this on this side. Cause I also last week forgot, um, not that I forgot, but I just, I got too sidetracked and too busy on the, um, on talking about soy sauce, which that was fun. Yeah. I never knew so much about soy sauce until office hour. Um, but I got an email from Bredren Pedro, Pedro, Pedro, I gotta say it right or pay someone else yeah but then someone else gotta do this um um yeah so um so anyway um yeah I don't I'm not the but got an email from Pedro he's saying
16:20 he he wanted to share what's going on around here he's been teaching classes totally awesome so if you're in Brazil I know it's a huge country but if you're near Pedro where he's at um get in touch. Um, I don't know what his Instagram is, but I think that's the main way he puts things out. And, um, he says people have been having, uh, enjoying so much and he can feel the love flowing when he makes IMO three piles and prepares all the solutions. Um, so simple with so much complexity, really beautiful. He, he wanted to thank me going to Hawaii was a total game changer for him,
16:55 not only in the training, but spending time with you and Suze and building that friendship and totally feel that man pedro so much love to you brethren um and so here's some pictures from the um the classy tot and um yeah and uh take take a vacation down there so i i would oh man i would but i have a cow um so here's pedro teaching all these folks tuning in check look at all his solutions in the back there. This must have been just pouring the beer into his KNF medicine, getting that going. What else? He got some lactobacillus going, making some KNF protectors
17:42 here, the OHN, the oriental herbal nutrient, which is called KNF medicine here. It looks like he's doing the rehydration step there because you got the breathable lid on um what is this espada sao george i don't speak uh portuguese but i bet you these are fermented plant juices or no no these these look like actually the ohn stuff i'm not sure what it is i can't speak portuguese but um but check this out lactobacillus making these like he's doing the full gambit with people really oh look at these fish what is that that's some sort of wow that's a cool looking
18:20 fish making uh fuel out of that oh making some structure and uh bubbling the bones away as charred bones making kit uh the water soluble calcium also known as knf reproduction with his charred eggs down here look at how much that's bubbling i hope he put in less before he first did it but he's he came here and he learned so he probably knows because this thing would overflow for sure. But, uh, he probably, he knows, look at all these books. You know what? I got to get him, I got to get him the, uh, more copies of my book so he can put that out too. Cause you know,
18:56 and we should put it in Portuguese form because we have it in Spanish and I got, I haven't been printing that, but I do have it in Spanish now, which is pretty close to Portuguese. Not exactly. I mean, I know they're different languages, but they're a lot closer than English. And so you got all these books he's sharing with folks. Look at this. All these solutions here. Looks like some ferments. These are ferments. Oh, we've got fermented plant juice. Look at this. Making IMO3 in the center of everything. Teaching all these good folks. Look at this. Yeah. Wow.
19:33 He has some recipe little cheat sheets for folks and all these things. And, yeah, I guess There's a video too, but I can't preview the video. Maybe can we? I can download it. Then we can watch it. Yeah, the Chrome changed how it goes. Let's see, I'll bring it over here and we'll play this. So these guys are hardcore. They're just going at it, turning it by hand, which what a better way to get inoculated and getting to KNF than turning your IMO by hand.
20:22 So awesome from Pedro, man. It's so cool to see. Like that's actually, you know, one of my main goals here is like, you know, not only do I want to teach, but it's like so nice when I see other people teaching because like I always talk about, it's the exponential function, right? If I, if I teach you and then you start teaching and then we start teaching, it's, it's exponentially going to grow. Hey, thank you for the super chats. Thank you. Thank you. It's like a good, uh, uh, pay it back, uh, Sunday kind of thing, just showing what's going around in the world. And I, I so appreciate
20:54 people like sending things, giving things like just, you know, it's my energy going out. You guys bring things back. It's so cool to see. Um, and yeah, having people teach, share everyone, you know, learning in your small little way. Everyone's small little way. It's about a bunch of tiny things gradually developing, turning themselves into larger, bigger things. So, um, also, also got a little update from post-up media. Um, I don't know if you wanted me to share this with the world, but he is, um, almost about to have his baby and look at this. His house is
21:32 coming along. He shared this with me. Um, so look at that. He lives in his garden. He's just like me, like his house is surrounded by a garden. So he's living in his garden. Um, and, uh, look at this nice little house he built. Um, and, uh, he's down in Panama and he's getting these nice chicken eggs and look at those farmer hands. Yeah. Post up his name's Joel actually, but yeah, man. And look at this. He's, he reused some of the natural, uh, wood here to put into his house and how, how cool is that, man? And, and look at these coconuts and what is that? Cassavas and sugar canes and ginger
22:11 and yeah, all these things, you know, very similar, uh, climactic to, to where I'm at. So appreciate that. So post up media, send, send best wishes out to him. He's, he's about to have his first child. And, um, so wish him well. And, uh, he was, he was talking about how the, um, the, um, what you call the Facebook group. It's just total, total. And it is, man, I can't, there's only so much I can do to help there. Um, yeah, yeah. Having a kid, what could be better than raising more natural farmers, you know? Um, and then, um, I got another thing from Joe
22:54 I think he's in the house today, but wanted to share this with him or with you guys. You know, it's kind of funny. He's here, but sharing this. Can I get rid of that sign? I think I can. Yeah, I can do that. That doesn't make the pictures any bigger. But check this out. He says he put it all in the subject, which I always love long subjects. But I drink before I learned can F from you. Nothing would grow on my property. This is it now. I use seven IMO collections from different nearby nature preserves and make all the solutions myself
23:27 thanks yeah Joe yeah Joe this is awesome I think he's up in New York I reckon right pretty sure but let's uh see can I pick yeah okay so I can do that and look at this look at this amazing fertility he said before he did the IMOs nothing would grow and so check this out like he is just growing any then look you get neighbors that are growing just pine trees but he's growing food look at this like and he i guarantee this was like a lawn before he started and like look at this just what's that okras and um i don't know what what are these other things i don't know but
24:06 it just looks lush and abundant maybe some berries and things uh what is that is that a it's a like a palm some sort of I don't know but that looks like you're getting a bunch of whatever that is oh look at these berries oh look how luscious and big they are and these oh man wow that's that's productive that's gonna be amazing here and peppers these look like ghost peppers these look like who man you only need one of those man I don't know if they're ghost peppers, but man, look at those peppers. Look how abundant is and look how healthy.
24:46 Well, that was not the healthiest leaf, but man, look how, oh, this is amazing. What is this? Cherries? Oh, so he says the thing before is sea buckthorn. I don't know what that is, but I have to look that up. That's not something I'm familiar with. What is this? Like cherries? This got to be cherries. Look how many cherries he has. Oh my gosh. I'm just assuming these are cherries. I don't know. Looks like cherries to me. Oh man. Like talk about goodness there. And then what is, oh, this is the sea buckthorn. Sea buckthorn. This must be it. Look at that thing.
25:27 I don't even know what it is, but it looks prolific. I don't know. Can you eat it? I don't know. But man, look at that. Oh, whoa. look at this thing it's loaded whoa that's wild they're tart cherries very sweet though huh so this is another type of cherry oh my gosh man I bet you if you ferment that it'd just be amazing to spray back on everything like because how can you eat all those I don't know maybe you could sell it to other people or you know give it to friends or whatever but man and look at these
26:02 berries oh my gosh they're huge i don't know if all berries are this big because i'm not a big berry because berries don't grow that big in hawaii but man those look big succulent what are those like blackberries or something i don't know oh did we were we done no we weren't done i just clicked off uh more peppers wait did we did we see yeah we saw these okay okay oh my gosh look at these cherries oh my gosh oh yeah man oh man oh wow that is awesome look at this like IMO and the solutions look at this when you put it into practical action you get stuff like this that is
26:44 just amazing oh my gosh look and this is a flowering look at how prolific and green and lush oh my gosh okay and maybe that was the last one was the last one yeah that was the last one okay well cool Joe thanks thanks for uh thanks for sharing that with us and seeing and just like you know spreading the hope and the love for everyone the sea buckhorn berries have five times the vitamin c of an orange plus omega oils dude that sounds amazing that's that is cool that is cool um and knocking cherries I don't know you guys in New York you guys have your own language and like own subset of
27:26 interesting things going on, but that is cool. That's amazing to see. Reminds me a lot of the goofman. You guys both like just farming your backyards like this and doing it. And you guys got these, um, these, uh, what you call trees, these pine tree things. I don't know what you'd call those like furs, something like that. Evergreens, some sort of thing like that. You guys are amazing up in New York, you know? I mean, I was reading about the beaver wars, which you ever read about uh you know native american history before americans got here and
27:58 or while the you know dutch and french were like giving them guns and having them kill all the animals to trade it for stuff it's like yeah but man they were productive prolific folks like and tons of people like the powhattans and manhattans and all the um you know mohicans and all those guys living up there it's like man the indigenous folks did a grow a lot of food in that area and there was tons of beavers and all kinds of things and like animals were prolific. So I know you guys can get it going on up there. And, uh, yeah, Romeo and Juliet cherries. Hopefully they don't kill
28:33 each other. Um, and one bush was Polish cherries. Those sound cool too. Um, but yeah, so anyways, Cool to see and to just hear all this stuff and get feedback. I think that's why I was super pumped this morning when I got up. And I'm like, yes, I get to go to the office hour. Which not all the time I'm like, yes, I get to do it. But I'll tell you what, gradual progress, lofty view, good milk. you know, well, nothing like having your own natural farming produce to go out and be about and do that. Um, and then what else I had, um, uh, some other folks shared. I think,
29:23 I think some other people did message me and, uh, but, um, let's see here. What else I was going to share? Oh, um, one other thing I was going to share with you guys is that, um, let's see here. Can I, I want to open this again for all those who are wondering, yes, I'm going to open another tab, um, on my thing, but I was going to switch to, um, so, so about a week ago, um, about a week ago, I, uh, put out a video of me or not me, my friend Kapila cutting down a tree and I lost some subscribers on that and it didn't get that many likes. Um, but, but, uh, but now,
30:06 um, my friend Kapila launched his own channel. So just to say, if you like that and you're into like gnarly, um, he, he does tree service. And the reason he knocks down the trees is so people can then farm those areas, put houses where they're not going to get smashed by big trees and they'll chip these trees and make them into, um, soil because out where he's cutting these down. It's mostly rock. Um, so anyway, um, I went out and helped him film, but now he has his own channel and I'm an editor for him cause I've been helping him out. Um, I want to help him get his
30:39 YouTube up and help him share cause he does a lot of cool things and he's helped me out a lot in my life. So, um, but it's Hawaiian Island tree service. If you want to subscribe and you like just like heart pounding first person or, or my cinematic drone shots, I go out and help them with the drone and we film these things. Um, but, um, he got his first video up. He only has eight subscribers at the current time. Uh, but he just launched the channel. And so this is his first eight subscribers and I'm trying to help him get up to a hundred, uh, a thousand and he wants a
31:13 million subscribers. So I told him he's going to have to make better thumbnails and do something more than I do because I only have 16,000. So thank you. Thank you. If you're a subscriber, Thank you. Uh, but you know, I have not, uh, my forte is not telling people to like and subscribe and share and whatever. I just, I know that you guys that are tuning in know about what's good on YouTube and know, you know, how to find good quality stuff. And you enjoy this because we're building a community. We're not just trying to get thousands of millions of people. I mean,
31:42 there were millions of people that'd be cool, but it's not like that's what I'm after. So anyway, this, this, um, this video here, I ended up helping him. I did all the drone work for this. So we ended up filming it, you know, and some people were like disgusted by taking down this tree and whatever. And some guy in Portuguese told me he was no longer a subscriber. And I'm like, bro, just over one thing. And you stopped subscribing to me. And it's like these trees, we got to take them down, you know. And and I did rename it instead of Compela's Nuts. It's not Compela's Trees.
32:12 But man, when you got to get a dozer to take down a tree, I mean, he's risking his life to help these people build a better life and build better gardens. and all these things so anyway um i did the drone work for that and i've been getting a little bit better at flying the thing i have to get off the farm once in a while so it's nice to get out um to do this so anyway if you enjoy this uh again hawaii island tree service i'm no longer hosting the video on my channel because my channel is more about you know um building things but this
32:44 is Kapila right here and um and he's he's nuts I mean but uh but I can't say that uh he's he is just you know getting these like a 10 foot chainsaw and cutting these trees down and just like all the look at think all this wood chips and everything and all this fertility you can build so it's about educating people how to do things properly but just wanted to share that with you and hopefully get him a few subscribers if you guys are into this kind of stuff it's more also like ASMR type of like stuff with, but I did put a good soundtrack in there because there was no sound on this
33:18 because I filmed it off my drone. Actually, the Foundation's drone. We have a drone. And, but, put some nice relaxing music there. And, um, you know, look at this, man. I don't know how he does it. I mean, I do know how he does it. He does it with a chainsaw and, um, look at this. They suspended off this thing. I was trying to get this perspective and everything. It's like, it's always interesting to try to film this, and I'm getting better with the drone. Look at that nice face cut there. Oh, man. Oh, and there it goes. Oh my gosh, Ron Capillo. Yeah, you did it. Woo!
33:58 And then I got the drone shot of the same thing. You know, I actually flew my drone into a tree back over here in the right corner while I was filming this video. It didn't, it just barely hit the prop into the leaves, so it wasn't bad. look at that that's real time falling how much dust yeah this is amazing anyway um wanted to share this with you guys a little bit uh just because i'm trying to get him subscribers you know he gets a thousand if a thousand you guys join his thing then we can help monetize
34:30 this and that's his whole goal is to like monetize it to make more money while he's doing these things although i think he also wants to share and give tips and tricks like how to tie better hitches and things. Share what he's doing. Anyway, that's that. I see now it's a little bit... I was trying to get cinematic on this. Pulling back the drone. The drone was actually running out of batteries right now. It was just beep, beep, beep, beep. I mean like, land the drone, land the drone. Beep, beep, beep, beep. I was like, no, I gotta get a better cinematic shot. I don't care if I'm
35:03 flying away. And there's Kapila. Look at that. That huge tree. it's 10 times bigger than him so anyway helping him out doing his thing and I got this back to the future font for him anyway I wasn't planning on showing that whole video but I guess I did so okay so um okay so Jaboti Kaba or Jat Kabi, I just read that as Jabotikaba, says they put two domestic rats who died in a fire. They weren't burned in a bucket of sugar a year ago now. It's two rats floating at black syrup.
35:52 Will that be good fuel? Yeah, I think I understand what you're saying. But yeah, you can make amino acids out of anything. As we learned in the soybean episode, or the soy sauce episode last episode. You know, amino acids come out of anything and you can make fuel out of any living organism. Just sugar and protein makes amino acids. So, and then I got a question from Fabrizio here. Do worms and IMO compete with each other or do they live synergistically? I notice my red wigglers eat the mycelium from the IMO that I have put under my mulch layer.
36:38 I'll just let you know, putting IMOs into your worm bin is not necessarily the best idea. What can happen is those IMOs will dry the thing out and they will pull all the moisture out and that can lead the worms to not have ideal conditions. So the IMOs are very powerful. There will be IMOs in there, but the worms kind of culture different microbes than the forest floor IMOs and composting worms are not the same as earthworms. And so if you are putting a bunch of IMO into your worm bin, you may be detrimental to them.
37:14 May or may not, you know, the better microbe to add to there is the KNF protectors, those lactobacillus, and they will help the food waste and all that to break down a little better. and those are compatible with the worms and composting worms, red wigglers. So be a little careful putting those things in there. It can work, but you want to be careful. And so Partita is saying here too, and eyewitness here says, I believe worms are looking to eat the microbial life and the sludge that's produced from the microbial life, which is true. They do eat that as it breaks down, they kind of munch on it.
37:59 And so the process of the worms eat some organic material and then it grinds it into smaller pieces that can be broken down by the microbes easier. Yeah. So the microbes do help to a bit, but the IMO can dry it out. That's all I'm saying is they're so thirsty. And so Partita saying, it is my understanding that ectomycorrhizal colonies are negatively impacted by many work species. And so you may find wigglers do swap out the mycos in favor of a more bacterially dominated biome. So, sorry, worm species. I mean, of course, clearly worms engage is tillage.
38:39 And tillage, of course, is a risk vester for fungal populations more generally. But I wouldn't be too concerned. Yeah. No, so she's saying that, you know, you're not going to necessarily grow more fungal in your worm farm. and they'll swap it out with bacterial, but then the leachate and the things they make are better and, um, and are doing their thing. So, um, so yeah, so, you know, you gotta be careful on that. So, uh, and then there was a question here, uh, you know, so, so in, in breaking it down and recycling all things creates fertility. Yeah.
39:16 Humic acids and these basic carbon complex compounds that the soil loves. Right. So, um, and then back, back to Kapila's thing a little bit, his thing is called Hawaiian Island tree service and somebody else subscribed cause there's nine subscribers now. So whoever that was, thank you. Helping him out here, trying my best at least. And we only put up one video so far, but we'll have a first person one coming up pretty soon. I think Kapila's coming over later today. I'm going to help him edit that up. Um, so it's Hawaiian Island tree service and Hawaii Island tree at Hawaii, Hawaii Island tree.
39:49 I don't know if you can see that, but you can zoom in on it a little bit. Yeah. So there you go. So let's see here. And then Willie, what's up, man? He's saying just checking in and he had to check out the school holidays in New Zealand. And he's hanging out with his kids, man. That's awesome. It's so fun. Yeah. So glad, glad to, glad you're doing that. Hanging out with the kids. And happy 4th of July to everyone. Independence Day, right? We're all independents to like China and stuff until we as Americans rise up and start producing things again. You know, just as a friendly reminder,
40:33 you know, not that I'm pro-American, but I'm also pro-doing work for ourselves and being, you know, self-sufficient and productive people to the world instead of just holding everyone at gunpoint and demanding that they give us stuff. We should be the people out there giving. We're such great people as a nation, you know. So happy Independence Day to everyone. But let's change that back to independence and that we're, you know, be mutually independent in gradual progress and make all these things happen. So, yeah.
41:12 okay and eyewitnesses saying he adds a handful of soil to his worm castings that's good and I love you more homestead cool that's a nice name saying I love the office hour my wife and I bought the damn organic farming book and are excited to incorporate these practices into our 15 acre farm. Yes. Cool. Cool. I, the disgustingly cheap to damn stuff is a great way to get started and get into it, put it on your farm, share the results, you know, keep spreading the good words, man. The more microbes, the more fertility we get out there, the better. So I'm stoked for you more
42:00 homestead. Um, looking forward to, um, if you've got a YouTube, I would check it out. Let's see. you got one you must have one if you uh more homestead let's see did i spell it right i think i did is this you this is you government overreach stops now that's my first result from you that's awesome let's uh i'm not gonna watch your video because it will um copyright whatever me i hope that doesn't do that for the kapila one but i'm gonna subscribe to you yeah 24 000 subscribers man you must be doing something well here talking about the government and stuff they can't stop us
42:34 yeah you're awesome and check that out you got a wife and you built a shed that's awesome and you got two channels wow you're on it so i subscribe to you so i expect to see some knf out there man no even if you don't that's cool that's always nice to subscribe to my folks in here um and um bless up to partita she has the most amazing information here so she's saying the point of worms is more related to cn ratios in my opinion it helps balance natural soils approximately 10 to 1 which is a good level reference for the release of nitrogen
43:15 versus the needs of the microbes um yeah and tinfoil hats scholar what that's not you oh the moore homestead that's not you oh that's the more home moorehead homestead see it's not you you don't have 24 where's yours man uh which one is yours man i gotta i subscribe to the wrong guys okay well anyway that's what happens when you're i guess more is a pretty common name i don't know um that's not you man come on okay i i'm gonna look i love you more i love you more homestead oh here here no more to
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44:46 up on that worms thing tinfoil hat scholar what's up man oh am I oh okay oh I'm just way back on my thing here okay I'll scoot that forward um okay so let's see well let's see here you guys talking about worms and stuff but um i i i want to try and finish out uh the presentation for master cho today i really i've been trying to get through this it's been what 250 slides so far something like that but all thanks to master cho this uh father of young song cho father of jadam father of korean natural farming master cho this is the picture so if you couldn't see the picture that
45:31 was in this thing uh that's this picture so right there this is the 3d printed one just looks cool i'm gonna hang this in my window put it right outside or inside but you know right let me just put it in my window right now oh yeah that's cool thank you goofman i still man that's it's so cool i love it getting fan mail and stuff man how cool i'm like i told suz i'm like man i just started youtube channel and people send me stuff in the mail how cool is that it's it's it's it's pretty epic actually um so all thanks to master cho if you don't know who he is uh check out my channel
46:05 check out videos of him touring around he is the grand master of korean natural farming and he gave us this presentation here which um which we were getting into right last time i got here we got to where were we oh we were here yeah okay so we started to go over the brooder last time we're into the chickens now this is kind of so again the brooder here put the compost pile underneath the little chicks they go up in this thing it gives them a little thing like they think they're under their mom's wing so you can buy 120 uh lang hens from you know a
46:42 breeder have them here they they raise up this way and think um you know it gives them this natural um feeling uh and then we went over that last week though that's what it looks like you know, in action, it's kind of sloped as those things. But, and then again, we're talking about, um, you know, how you kind of gradually graduate them to bigger area until they go fully out. And then they have the roost area there. So if you are interested in that idea, check out last week's episode at knfsupport.com knfsupport.com and click on office hours. And
47:17 you'll see, uh, last week's episode and all episodes, or you can hit my channel and just go to the KNF office hour playlist. That's also another way to do it. But, um, but so today, today we're going to jump into this presentation here at the layer chicken water pipe, because who, you know, just don't ship water pipes over state land or state lines, right? That's how, uh, Cheech Cheech got arrested. Um, but I don't think this is the same thing he's talking about. This one is not for tobacco use only. This is for chicken use only. And what he's showing here is there's a large,
47:57 a small, and a medium. And so based on the size of your birds, the size of the hole and the size of the pipe changes. Okay. So Master Cho is all about making the thing the most convenient and the best for the animals. He's really about making it so that, you know, it's just like a kid. You put, you put the right size clothes on your kid when they're the right size. And as they get bigger, you get them bigger clothes. Same thing, you know, like you got to size it to the animal. You can't just give it like an adult size water. And the reason for that is that the chicken,
48:33 if it's too big, it will drip down the front of the chicken as it, as it takes its beak, it'll drip down the front of the chicken and then the chicken will get wet on its front and then it will get pneumonia and then it will die. Well, you just tuned in at the best time, Heather. So good to have you here. So what happens is in the beginning, you start with about a, what is that, inch? No, I'd say inch and a half pipe. I don't know. It's pretty small. There's no way an inch pipe is going to work. I would say it's probably a, cause this is, this is probably,
49:16 um, I don't know, but eventually, eventually you get up to a four inch pipe, right? Cause there's no way there's a 3.93 inch PVC pipe. There's a four inch pipe. And in the very beginning, I'd say you start with an inch and a half pipe because 1.18 inches is not going to work in American units, but I think a two inch pipe would be the one you're looking for. And then here, you're going to go with a, uh, well, that would be the two inch more. Okay. So inch and a half pipe start with inch and a half PVC. I believe they make inch and a half PVC and then go up to the
49:54 two inch pipe and then go up to the four inch pipe. Okay. And so this, this is swapped out. And if you're, and then in terms of your hole drilling, like I use those hole dozer things, those milwaukee hole dozers and you know try and get a two inch hole and drill that in here then go with the um just like about you know two obviously two point uh two and three quarters hole here and then go up to a four inch hole in this one and you just doze these holes and what i do is i just uh just take the pipe and take a chalk line and snap a line across the top and
50:31 then just drill through. And, um, the distance between them doesn't really matter too much. Um, you want to put in, you know, maybe put them about what, three, three inches apart from each other two between two and three inches apart from each other. And just doze these holes into there. And that's how you build these waters. And then on the end, you can put end caps. I also usually on one side, I'll put a 90 on it. And that 90 will enable me to fill the thing up with water. the 90 will hold the water in the pipe and then um then i can just tip it to one edge and all the
51:06 water will go out when i clean these out i clean them out you know every two weeks or so um every week every two weeks something like that i just dump all the water out and then refill them um but the whole idea with this is that the thing is slightly the holes are not exactly in the center they're offset a little bit so if this is the very top of your pipe they're offset a little bit and they're pointed away from the chicken. So if here's your wall, you're going to put the pipe here and the holes are going to be just slightly this way.
51:38 And what that does is the chicken goes and it lifts up and it drinks and that hole facing away makes them so that, again, they don't drip water down the front and they don't get pneumonia from getting wet, from making their chest wet. So you can see here that it's leaning slightly away from the chicken on all these pictures. and that's not just uh for for artistic sake that's actually like how you set it away from the chicken so there's all these very small subtleties and these these fine details that
52:07 master chose doing um and again how to go from the small to the medium to the large we can go back to last week's uh bit here on this where in the very beginning when you had this day two to day five you're using this um very small pipe the diameter of the pipe and then as you get out here from day 8, 12 to 15, you're using the larger two inch pipe. So first your one and a half inch, then your two inch pipe here. And then on your, you know, day 30, then you're using the large pipe. So these smaller pipes are just intermediary. They're only used for what, a week basically.
52:46 It's not very long. So, you know, but this is, this is how you're doing it of what you're doing between the difference when to go from the small because the chickens are very small here but then out here day they're like seven year olds they're like turning into teenagers so they need the bigger pipe and then day 30 they're like um you know 18 years old uh out here and so then they can go graduate to their adult size pipe out here so that's how to do the waterers that's the whole reason for the thing that's what you're doing so again here's the kind of schematic diagrams and
53:20 You can see the chickens as they mature and get older. They'll start to have feathers here in the medium, and then they'll fully feather out here by day 30 out here. So what's up, Cheryl? Good to see you. Here's another look at the water. These are, again, this is like the baby pipes. And you can see that he's also adding a little bit of the water solution to them. And he also built these in these L shapes. So here's the small one, and then here's the medium-sized one. And he built it in this L shape so that it will fit inside of this thing here,
54:01 inside the, you know, the pen, which is only 35 inches wide, right? So about 36, you know, three feet wide here. And the inches here of showing, you know, the dimensions of this. But it's, you know, so when you look at this here and you see, where was I? Right here. You see this, this is, you know, about 35 inches, you know, 34 inches long here. And then going back about 30, 30 inches or so. And he has nineties again on, on the ends. And we'll also what the nineties enable you to do is to take a bottle of water and put it into the, um, into the, um, end. And then it'll be like an auto water.
54:44 more water will come down from here and it won't spill out because of the water line. I don't know, it's like some physics thing. If you can get the neck of the bottle under the water and have the water come up above, it'll be like an auto waterer. And, um, so that's, that's also why having 90s here is convenient, not only to help you clean it out, but also to add stability to the thing. And so it fits inside of the, um, where they're at. And, you know, here, here you can see kind of, looks like this one's elevated off the ground a little bit. I guess you could do that. I don't
55:19 do that with mine, but there are, oh, if you look here, there are these bottles in there. And this is, he figured out how to cut some pipe around it to stabilize this bottle. And this is the auto water function that I'm talking about right here. You see that bottle being in there that's full of water and then you put it in here and then it'll auto water and refill this as they drink it down. So, so there is, that's, that's what I was talking about. Put that, put that bottle in there and he used these little PVC to support that. So there's some high level tech for you right there.
55:51 And all the little chickens, like, you know, they, they put their head down, they drink and then they look up to God. You know, that's what master Chow says. So they're doing those things. So that's the water pipe for you. And then moving on, we're going to go look at their, their feeder boxes. and so again um you know you feed them brown rice for the first three days and then after that you start to give them the egg and the bamboo and then also their regular chicken food but having the chicken feeder to this dimension makes difference so when they're baby chicks and before day 30 they
56:27 eat out of containers that look like this so they're 35 inches long they're two and a two and 0.3 inches tall on this side and one inch tall on this side. What this does is it gives you this triangle shape. And what you can do is you just put it down on the ground. And when they're very small, you face this side towards them and they'll eat. And then once they get up bigger and you're moving to the bigger, um, water. So after about, what is that a week again, I gotta go back to this picture. So after here, you're moving, you're moving to this here. So after a day, you know,
57:06 after one week, you flip this box around here and you face this edge towards them and this edge towards the wall. So now they got to reach over taller into here. And so that's why it's triangle, right? Why, why make it a triangle? Because when they're very small, they eat from this side. And then when they get bigger, you flip it around and they'll eat from this side. So that's, you're training them to do that. And then that's the small little thing. And then when they start to get medium size, you can actually build a V-shaped box.
57:40 And the reason for this V-shaped box is that what happens is it enables the chickens to scratch underneath and then peck inside and get food. Scratch underneath and peck. And so you're respecting the natural chickens scratch and peck, but they're not spreading their food all over the floor. It stays in this feeder. It has a V shape within a little, um, little square at the bottom. So the food doesn't get stuck in this nook here. It, um, it stays in there nicely. It's easy to clean. And then this thing comes up on the top.
58:16 And then what this is, is this is a rolly bar. So this, this, this thing is solid. And then this bar here spins. So the chickens cannot roost and stand on top of here and then make, and then crap into their food because this spins. So if they try and stand up there, it spins. And this bar here keeps them from jumping inside of their food and, um, jumping in here. They have to stay on the outside and just scratch and peck into here. And they can't just like be in your feeder, which is not good either because they'll, they'll crap and they, they just have, you know, bad, bad chicken
58:51 behavior. Um, but here's the dimensions, you know, so if you're doing, uh, um, a small, uh, the medium one, it's 3.9 inches here on this dimension and it was four inches up off the ground. So on this edge here, you can make these blocks. So it'll holds this V up off the ground. And that's that four inches there is this this dimension here holding it up and then um and then what is this um oh this this lip dimension this edge so on on the chicken feeder it's not just a v there's actually an edge on it too to keep them from knocking it out and on the medium one this is
59:28 1.2 inches here this edge on on that v so the chicken has to reach over that little thing that's 1.2 inches and then when you make it after day 30 you give them the big feeder here so after day 30 they graduate to this large feeder and this large feeder is 1.7 inches on the lip about six inches here on the v and about seven inches up off the ground you know if you get all you know estimate get those things nice you'll you'll build it properly and you know it's 30 36 inches wide basically you know you can do it from a three foot piece of wood here um you know
1:00:10 and so these here um are what the chickens eat and they scratch they peck they respect it they don't spread their food everywhere this is how you graduate them from the small to the medium to the more medium one to the eventual large feeder and these are what they look like here's the smaller ones and then you can put the medium ones together like this. You can spin them around the other way. So go there's a medium box and there's their large box and you see these rolly bars up top keep them out of there and they're very very awesome clean good way to make the chickens eat.
1:00:48 They love it and then here's them in practice right here's them you can see these are the medium-sized chickens and he's put the feeders the small side together so they have to eat from the the bigger side and reach over and eat those these are obviously under 30 days because their roost is still or maybe they're maybe a little bit older than 30 days but they're um and then they're starting to eat out of their bigger box here so this is what it looks like you can see the ventilation coming in here and they can roll up and down this wall but good
1:01:22 ventilation coming in. The chickens are there. These ones are just starting to graduate. I'm not sure why they don't have their roost up on top there because they really should be doing that and teaching the chickens. But another thing about raising natural farming chickens is they got a good sand bath. So having them do their thing and the natural floor enables them to, in the morning, you'll notice the chickens will kick all this dirt up into their back and their feathers, and then they'll shake out and stuff. And it's just, um, you know, coming for, for them, uh,
1:02:01 you know, the chickens, chickens love this. So having access to the nice living floor is amazing. And there's not covered in crap. It's like, it's all digested. It's well, it's living IMOs, all that's going to boost their immune system and their feathers just get so amazing, so shiny, especially when you feed them a good diet, which is it possible? It's no, there's no way I'm going to finish this today. Okay. So I thought I was going to finish this today. I was getting excited. I was like, I'm going to finish this today and there's no way
1:02:34 I'm going to. So, um, before I go on, yeah, I guess it's an hour already. I just spent, you Next time, maybe I just got to just dive into it or just respect gradual progress and realize that by rooting ourselves firmly and by going through these details enough, we'll get there eventually. We don't need to be there today. We don't need to solve our problems immediately. We'll get there. And you guys can watch past episodes, find all these. I may string them all together and just do the Master Cho presentation as one thing because
1:03:06 it's just epic going over this presentation slowly and getting into the details and the sticks and the woods. But it looks like there's more to come. More will be unveiled. And we're going to go through the chicken layer thing and how to do all this. And I'm not going to cover this today. So we'll just end here at the sand bath. And before we fully end it, why not? I want to share with you. I'll pull up one more tab. because we already got a bunch of people coming for the November class, but I think January is pretty open still. So if you are interested, you want to come out to the farm,
1:03:51 you want to learn, you want to see all this stuff in practice, you want to get the experience like Pedro did and come and learn and fully forge some true friendship and learn natural farming and get yourself so you can be a confident teacher out there. knowing what you're doing and teaching and skip the years of stumbling over this stuff and just do it hands-on right here on the farm and learn then check out knffarm.com um it's well worth it you get to stay here in luxury or camp which is also pretty luxurious i'm not gonna lie it's you
1:04:24 know it depends how much it rains but it's yeah it depends um but it's gonna be great um so check out knffarm.com if you're interested um always got to plug that at least once or twice right you know because i love you guys and i think getting that experience to you you also get one of these fancy hats look at him you know all the folks get these fancy hats not like you couldn't just go out and buy your own and do your forge your own one but you know you get it hand signed by me and uh respect master cho his lineage the pure canna foundation everything we're doing
1:04:55 everything we're bringing to you week after week thanks stone mason good to see you good to see you Cheryl. Um, and so yeah, the independent stuff, man, we can do it. We can become an independent nation. We can become the fed by feeding ourselves and we can get rid of this oppressive monetary, um, inflationary policy and actually return back to a thing of abundance where, you know, you get seeds, you plant them, they become more abundant instead of you get money. It's worth less every day like what's up with that bro you know um so yeah and jared man is saving up for january
1:05:30 cool man you know um i hope i hope i hope um we'll see what happens with the foundation we might be able to um do a little bit of um financial stuff there but uh we'll see we'll see we'll hope um we got a lot of things actually on the in in the pipeline going through and doing things great so can't really talk about them right now, but we will have them up soon. And, uh, thank you for tuning in. Appreciate you guys all. You know, it's funny last, last week I was like, uh, I was like, bye. And then I just switched the other screen and I'm like, I'm still here.
1:06:05 But this week I got the right screen on. I'm going to close the curtain. Thanks for tuning in. Appreciate you. Love you. Thanks for all the sharebacks and all this good stuff. I'll see you next week June, what, January 16th Oh my gosh, it's the day before my wife's birthday There's a birthday party happening that day It's going to be awesome Love you all, aloha Bye now