Chicken Poop, knfMedicine Herbs, Banana Bunchy Top Drone Spray
Chicken poop should break down in three to seven days once IMO microbes get into it. If it lingers on the floor, spray on KNF protectors (lactic acid bacteria) to help digest it, and watch for smell — no stink means no worry, but bedding longer than three to six inches keeps chickens from turning it in.
For knfMedicine (OHN), one liter jars work fine for small batches. The standard recipe calls for 200 grams of dried herb per half-gallon jar. Drake buys cinnamon, licorice, and angelica root from Mountain Rose Herbs — a pound of cinnamon makes two batches, but angelica needs a full bag per batch.
On red cinder land, liquid IMO plus mowing and reseeding will slowly build grass, though cinder starts nearly sterile. For termites, boost plant health with IMO first; JADAM sulfur can knock them back if needed, then rebuild the microbial base. For leaf rust and anthracnose after a wet summer, KNF protectors made from milk lacto are the fix, dosed early and often.
Drake also shared an August drone overflight of his pasture restoration — dropping barrels of raw fish waste with IMO to rebuild overgrazed land — and a first test spraying his new DJI agricultural drone on banana bunchy top, using KNF protectors diluted 1:1000 and KNF food at 1:500, at 25 gallons per acre.
Questions answered
- 10:38 Why does chicken poop stay on the coop floor instead of breaking down? — IMO microbes normally break down poop in 3-7 days; spray KNF protectors and make sure chickens stir bedding under six inches long.
- 37:36 What gets rid of termites eating a cactus crop? — Boost plant health with IMO; if needed use JADAM sulfur to kill them, then reinoculate with good IMO to rebuild the ecosystem.
- 39:36 Is it okay to make knfMedicine (OHN) in a 1 liter jar instead of a half gallon? — Yes, a liter jar works fine for a smaller batch, just don't go as small as a pint jar.
- 40:10 Will liquid IMO and mowing weeds bring red cinder land back to life for grass? — Yes, liquid IMO breaks down the cinder over time and grass comes in if you keep mowing back taller weeds.
- 43:12 Where can I get the right dried cinnamon, licorice, and angelica root for knfMedicine? — Drake orders all three from Mountain Rose Herbs, picking the cinnamon variety that cools the digestive system.
- 47:22 How much dried herb is needed to make a batch of knfMedicine? — The book calls for 200 grams of dried herb per half-gallon jar, so a one-pound bag of cinnamon makes two batches.
- 51:44 Where can I get a water-soluble phosphorus or nutrient content test done? — Contact a university extension office near you, like UH Mānoa, for soil and nutrient chemical testing.
- 53:14 Is it okay to gather IMO from a coniferous forest instead of using leaf mold? — IMO is IMO wherever it's from, but broadleaf litter is a better source than pine needles.
- 53:57 If JADAM sulfur is sprayed on cactus for human and livestock consumption, how long before it's safe to eat? — Don't use sulfur on crops meant for consumption — it gets taken up into the plant and stays there.
- 54:25 My garden turned pathogenic with rust and anthracnose after a rainy summer and compacted soil — what can I do? — Spray KNF protectors, the lactic acid bacteria made from milk, early and often to fix compaction and disease.
- 57:04 Can KNF fix banana bunchy top using the new agricultural drone? — Drake is running a first test spraying KNF protectors at 1:1000 and KNF food at 1:500, 25 gallons per acre, to see if it controls bunchy top symptoms.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Count Down
- 4:20 I Ching Reading: The Marrying Maiden
- 10:38 How Fast Does KNF No-Smell Animal Poop Break Down?
- 15:37 August Drone Footage: Pasture Restoration Progress
- 37:36 What Gets Rid of Termites on Crops?
- 39:36 Making knfMedicine (OHN) in a 1 Liter Jar
- 40:10 Growing Grass on Red Cinder Land with Liquid IMO
- 41:46 Is a Mavic Drone Good for a Beginner?
- 42:38 Making knfMedicine in Quart Jars
- 43:12 Where to Buy Herbs for knfMedicine
- 47:22 How Much Herb Is Needed for knfMedicine
- 51:44 University Soil & Nutrient Testing
- 53:14 Gathering IMO from a Coniferous Forest
- 53:57 Time Between Spraying Sulfur and Eating Cactus
- 54:25 Leaf Rust and Anthracnose: What to Do
- 55:51 South Carolina's Pure KNF Certified Teacher
- 56:26 Next Week's Office Hours Guest
- 56:41 Getting a Master Gardener Degree
- 57:04 KNF Drone Sprayer & Banana Bunchy Top Project
- 1:09:10 Thank You and Sign Off
Transcript
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3:30 Hey, aloha. Welcome to Korean Natural Farming Office Hours. for august 6th 2023 and uh let me get rid of that here oh good fun using this here there we go goodbye um yeah so welcome thanks for tuning in
4:23 pure can of foundation sponsoring today master cho up in the house let's see let's start with some higher wisdom because god knows i need it and you probably do too let me switch this over and get that up yeah so i think this is all working let me know if the sound's working for you. Seems to be working for me. I have no idea, though, if it really works. So, yeah. Hey, how's it, Willie? Good to see you, man. Thanks for last week coming in. That was good fun. So, today is The Marrying Maiden, 54. In relationship
5:16 desire leads to misfortune behave with discipline and balance qui me is concerned with the guidelines for proper conduct of relationships whether they be social romantic or work related the image here is of thunder roiling on the surface of a lake and it suggests that relationships can be disturbing to our peace of mind unless they're established and governed under proper principles. The nature of relationships is they begin to lead us into a desire state.
6:01 We begin to desire another, desire recognition, desire retribution, desire a particular outcome in a given situation. All of these desires lead us away from equanimity that we aim to maintain as students of the I Ching. This hexagram often comes as a sign you are in danger of sacrificing your composure in order to affect a relationship. When someone does not treat you as you would like, you are faced with a choice of what to do. While it may be tempting to abandon the relationship in anger
6:47 or act aggressively to produce a result, neither of these are consistent with proper principles. You are counseled instead to return to inner independence, acceptance, modesty, and gentleness. The greatest influence is always had through inner discipline and balance. Less subtle measures may produce more immediate results, but they are seldom lasting. This hexagram also teaches us that rushing into a relationship, rushing to resolve a relationship, or rushing to escape a relationship
7:33 are all akin to rushing on ice. Each invites a painful fall. Seek to establish relationships slowly and on proper principles to allow them to evolve naturally and to resolve disputes with patience and reserve. If your primary relationship, that with the sage, is open and ongoing and devoted, then all other relationships will fall into place. So, oh man, my back hurts.
8:20 I've been breaking rock all week, I tell you. So, trying to sit up tall, be proud, be happy. all those good things to resolve relationships with reticence with patience with reserve to let things come to let things go and just to put out a good thing hey printer bear thanks for super chats man it's always good to get some Skrilla coming back because sometimes I feel like, man, I work hard to show up week after week after week for this thing consistently. Things come up in my life and rarely ever,
9:06 you know, you can look at it, missed maybe like two, three episodes a year, which means I show up about 49 times out of the 52 times. And it's usually because I miss it because I'm traveling someplace um and all kinds of stuff happens in my life where but i continue to show up you know so i appreciate it and i appreciate that value that if i bring it to you it comes back and i know some people are like oh yeah but you know it takes a lot to make this happen and um appreciate last week willie jumping in there um coming in and just being ready to just talk story and um think
9:46 people really valued it um and uh yeah even stonemason said last week thanks willie for your time and thank you man it really was good so what's up solar gourmet in germany um and james coming from tanzania and um fire fiesta cranberry oh what a good name has a question here. So may as well start off with some questions. I was going to do an interview today, but some other things came up at the last minute, apparently. And so we'll just go with that.
10:32 Actually, I do have some things in the queue that I wanted to share and show with you guys. But let's jump into this question here from Fiesta Cranberry. It says, i have a question i have a question thank you so that's what the office hours are for it's for asking questions so feel free um and they're saying they just set up a chicken pen about a month ago and notice that the poop does last quite a while how fast is it supposed to disappear um and if you go check out master chose talks on um chicken rearing chicken you know making chickens
11:21 uh you know it's supposed to last about three to seven days and what happens is those the imos the microbes start to climb into the chicken poop and they start to kind of decay and break it down so if your poop is lasting on the floor like it looks like it um it you may not have enough imos inoculated into your system and or your chickens aren't stirring the floor around enough um or it's just there and it's kind of petrified so you know having the poop dry out like if i go in my chicken my chicken coop not my chicken poop but my chicken coop and i look around there's not
12:06 much um manure being left around like it um sometimes what i'll do is right under their roost is we'll put like a um you know one of those cement mixing tubs it's kind of big or soil mixing tubs or whatever you're using it for um under there and put a metal grate on top of it and then they'll poop in there and then it'll go into there and because there's it's plastic there's not microbes it'll collect the manure a little bit easier if i want to use the manure for something else um and sometimes they'll poop like up on the um i have trash bins in there and i put um
12:42 grow maggots and they'll poop up there and the and the manure lasts you know it stays for you know until i scrape it off with a paint scraper um so if if it's not in direct contact with the floor and not in direct contact with the microbes it can last quite a while you know the microbes are going to get in there and start to break down those proteins and break down your manure. And if you're concerned about the poop lasting too long in there, then, then throw, you know, spray it with some KNF protectors, the lactic acid bacteria, spray, spray that on it,
13:16 and it'll help to digest it down. Main thing is that it's not stinking, you know, manure can last around a while but if it's the anaerobes and the kind of bad microorganisms not necessarily bad they're just bad for our our situation are eating it then um then it will stink so if it's not stinky i wouldn't worry about the poop accumulating too much unless it really accumulates a whole lot and then the last other thing is that if you're you know like if i put grass in there that's like longer than six inches, three to six inches, it's going to, they're going to crap and they're not
13:56 able to turn the material. So the crap will just accumulate. So I don't know if any of those questions or any of those answers solves what you're up to, but let me know. I mean, here's, here's your question here. I guess I can, cause I'm using stream yard. I can put it up here. So if that answers your question, nice dog, by the way, if that answers your question, let me know um otherwise we can kind of go further into that to see and says here poops are on the ground no stink i have bantams oh sweet and they do scratch but i also stir every day i used hemp
14:31 as a base interesting um yeah if you're if your material's too long it may um they may not be stirring it all the way in um and yeah so the dog is actually the girl susie awesome what a cool dog looks fierce um so that you know that's the i yeah um so if they're stirring it i wouldn't worry about it too much and if it's not stinking that's the main thing um and otherwise pull some of it out and use it in your garden you know um but you can always put down a little bit more imo to help it happen so ben yo man i think about you guys a lot often think about my students
15:15 and especially when I'm out working on the yard or in the yard and yard and um think about you guys so um yeah quail sometimes gets poop balls interesting cool well anyway so hope hope that kind of was helpful um there is something wanted to share with you guys. And that is here. Let me just do this this way. Let me see if I do this, and then I do this. No, I want it. What about that? Okay, there. Yeah, let's do this, this screen here. And so I wanted to show you a little overflight.
16:06 I flew over my land with a drone for August a couple days ago. And so I just wanted to share with you the August overflight because some of the things I wanted to talk about are, A, so right down here, let me move this up. Right down here is my neighbors. and look they just um they just poison this and then they're growing a bunch of sweet potatoes and over here's a cattle farm where they my wife and i call it screaming cow ranch they basically wean off all the little baby cows and put them into this thing and load them into you just can't
16:49 see i'm kind of hot in front of that but um they load them into these cattle things and basically have 200 screaming cows you can in this cattle pen here and every every every two weeks or so they'll have about 200 cattle that they'll ship out and then my neighbors over here are um starting an ava plantation and they're building this new house over here so they're going to turn like this 200 acres in the middle into an ava plantation then this right here is turmeric that these really nice Mexican guys are growing. But this here is my land. This is my pasture. And I just want to
17:28 show you, like, I don't know if you can see this, but this pasture was pretty darn decimated. And then here we are restoring it. And so what I'm doing here is I'm dropping barrels of fish. So So just raw fish waste that I'm dropping. And then I am putting IMOs on it. And so look at the difference in the grass. You can see where the barrels have been dropped. And over the past couple months, I've been just dropping barrels. And you can see them, right? You can see the grass is different. You can see the microbes are different. And look at this pasture over here. This is my neighbors, right?
18:06 And they're just kind of letting it go. You can kind of see the difference between this one and this one in terms of what the IMOs are doing, how the grass is changing very rapidly. And so this is a project I've been working on here is, you know, restoring this pasture. Because when I got married last year, I basically put my cows in here and just let them overgraze it to the max. And, you know, they really decimated this pasture because I wasn't here. So I just couldn't rotate them.
18:37 So I'm doing a lot of quick cattle rotation, moving them about every, you know, five to seven days and keeping them healthy and happy. And then this pasture here, this middle one had all this really tall, like eight foot, 10 foot tall elephant grass. And I just locked my cow Daryl and her son Igor in here for a few months to like just. and I overgrazed this on purpose to knock this grass back. And now that they knocked it back enough, I'm probably going to get in there with the mower and mow it down so that I can kind of
19:16 eliminate this type of grass because it's not that great for grazing. And this field here, we're going to turn into Ava. We're going to do a bunch of different things, but you know, time, energy, everything, it's hard to do. So right now we are, you know, I overgrazed this on purpose to get rid of this type of grass. And then there, I hooked their water bin up to a pipe that comes across here to fill it up easy. But right now, so I just finished overgrazing this on purpose. And then up here, this is the upper pasture. And right here in the middle,
19:55 this is kind of a spring that comes out of here where these ferns are. spring comes out and then it flows through this center and right here there's california grass which is really good nutritious grass but on this side and this side it's really pretty poor and this is broom grass which is extremely poor grass and so this pasture if you look this pasture compared to excuse me this pasture you can see the difference that the fish and the imos have made because these two pastures here were kind of overgrazed that entire time i let the cows go on
20:33 this entire um pasture well well for like six months or so because i just overwhelmed doing too many other things um and then now i'm just starting to graze them so this this right side here i put an electric fence right across here and i'm just starting and then there i have another water bin right here down in the corner and i'm just starting to move the cows into this area but this pasture is still really poor it's and so i just finished um and then yesterday or today because this video is filmed a couple days ago so um just i just moved the the um electric line
21:14 basically like to here ish um across here and so now i'm just i'm slowly moving the cows and i'll move them and i'll basically keep them in a paddock this size like two cows in a paddock this size for a little like a week little little less like five five to seven days something like that and moving them across so you can see their their their um their crap starting to accumulate get more material in there and then i need to do more um imo spreading and more imo spraying to follow up after them and to really do these pastures. So I'll get to what I'm doing with that.
21:54 But you can see how basically I don't just let them graze a whole paddock because they'll eat just the good grass and leave the crappy grass behind. Instead, I lock them into like a smaller area with an electric fence so that they'll knock down the grass enough and eat it and concentrate their manure more. and um i'm in the process right now of combining my two herds so i have the mom and her son here and then as i start to fly across here i'll show you this is my neighbor's by the way again growing grass or growing trees in a grass field that's probably not going to work too well but you can
22:33 see the difference between um my pastures here and my neighbor's pasture where he's kind of over grazing these things and I'm doing rotational grazing and this pasture right here I've been resting for almost six months eight months almost like almost a full cycle here of long time and look at the lush grass so I'm about to move those cows across that valley into here and then I'm going to combine this herd which is now three cows with the herd over there which is two cows and have a five cow herd, which will help to kind of mob graze it down a little bit faster.
23:11 And so this pasture has been rested, but essentially what I'm going to do here in the center is build a little building like this one here. I'm going to build a little building here and then put in a water tank and have it so that I can get the water system set up in the center of this field and then divide this pasture into eight pieces as I do it with electric fence each time and kind of build you know you can imagine i put in quadrants and then divide the quadrant diagonally um so i get these eight star-like patterns coming through to move the cow so i'm
23:43 so i'm working on that and in combination with imos and rotational grazing really trying to build this land back up from being just like a pretty terrible pasture so going going across here i've been working on this pasture um just got these these three girls here aligned um and getting them i got so i built this little uh thing here which i thought was gonna be for sheep but it turns out i'm using it for the cows but have the a roof with a water tank and then i just got this water tank um this week was able to pick it up um so i need to do some repairs on it and a valve
24:24 has come in. I had to buy it from Amazon. It's amazing what that rainforest produces. And then I'm going to hook that so that this will have, you know, 250 gallons in addition to this 100 gallon tank there so that this, you know, I can cash water off this roof as it goes so that that way I don't have to, because right now I have to drive my tractor up here. You can see I drove the tractor up and then I have to fill this with 50 gallon drums. And that's really, really hard to do because driving off this little cliff right here and then this raised road with the tractor
24:59 with um you know 200 gallon or 100 gallons of water in the front it almost tips the tractor forward it's like pretty darn dangerous i lower the bucket it's like each time it's like it's a it's a rodeo of trying to trying to do that um but as you fly over here you can kind of see you know how these cows you know i put them in these this paddock again will be divided into eight slices off this center house and you can see how that in just a few days they knock this grass down then right now they're they're actually rotated into this uh this eighth section of this um
25:34 octh i don't know if it's an octh not a fourth but an octh um of the pasture here so i just they were here then i rotated them into here and then this pasture here this whole pasture here is dedicated just to our dairy cow this is our guernsey um cow and because she's a high performance animal i keep her by herself um you know we're milking her every um every day so you know i need to keep her on fresh pasture and keep her really well but you can see off this barn here this is our milking stanchion right here and i have the roof that then fills up this tank so her water
26:22 is self-sufficient off this and it's a bigger roof which is nice um but you know she's always in here and so we have 250 gallons of water for her um to go so i do all this filming with a um a Mavic pro, um, this little, I'll show you later, but it's a drone right behind me. Um, so, so anyway, we just, on her, we just restarted her on this, but she basically rotates, um, what is that counterclockwise around here on these big, um, in this pasture, I basically divide into 10 parts. And so I'm trying to rotate her around this entire clockwise
27:01 or counterclockwise thing every 70 to 80 days. And that gives it enough time for, you know, down here, she was just down in this pasture, but in 80 days, 70 days, by the time she gets back to this pasture, the grass will be nice and lush again. And you can see the grass is nice and lush up here and it kind of rotates as it goes down. It's not as lush going that way. So I try to rotate her so she doesn't come back to the same pasture until about 80 days later. and so um and then it's kind of hard because i rotate her through my road that i drive up to
27:35 the barn so now i gotta go over here um but anyway that's its own logistical things um and then coming around just you know you've seen the pasture i don't know if you can see the difference and then getting up to the barn here i'll show you a little bit later on this i'm doing a special project up here, the barn, but I did just graze. Let me go back a little bit here. I did just graze those three cows, the three ladies in this area. So instead of mowing, cause this was pretty heavy grass coming up with my bananas, I just grazed the cows in here.
28:13 And these bananas are all planted for my pigs to eat. Um, but it's all, it's all, it's not doing that well right now um and i'll get to that later but um but they did the bummer about rotating my cows through here is like it's good for the bananas but it's terrible for my sugar cane they just annihilate my sugar cane it's like oh my gosh what do you know so i'm still trying to figure that out of how to how to do it properly to get them to not eat the sugar cane but you can see this irrigation pipe coming off this drench tank that i have back here to drench all this and
28:47 I need to get, you know, more motivated to do that. Um, but here's, here's the barn, you know, just kind of an overflight. And I actually, lately I've been working a whole bunch down at the river, putting in a project down there. Um, but these bananas doing pretty darn well, these ones not doing well, these ones doing okay. Um, and you know, need to, uh, so I'm working on a separate project to work on that but kind of see this um overflight here and i've been working down here a bunch so i haven't been working too much on my farm but you can see my drench tank
29:25 basically takes yeah right there's where i've been working right over here um on my river um but you can see again i got this huge you know water comes off this roof goes into this drench tank here and then I'm able to put my natural farming solutions in here and then run this two inch pipe out and put it where I need out here to kind of drench this, um, this lower banana field. And that's been really successful when I do it, but lately I just haven't been doing it as much. Um, and then you can see as it kind of pans over this field here, um, I also put fish and IMOs. You can kind
30:05 to see everywhere there's good grass coming in that's where i've been putting the fish and the imos in and then down here a pig got into the land and was destroying all over here but my wife is actually putting transplanting different varieties of grass into this area that it rooted up and then right here this nice green spot is where we had where i ended up processing my last cow we processed her in the field right here and so all that blood and guts and stuff went in to grow um that good grass right there um but this you know you can see again here's
30:42 her my milk cow being rotated through so she's knocking this area down and we just finished she just had the pasture run about from here to here and so she was on this edge um and so you can kind of see you'll like i don't know if you can see the lines from where the fence used to go you know as i rotate it where it goes across um but she we rotate her off this barn um and um the like i can't plant the river like i don't know if there's a comment about that but this is like a a super steep hill this is like a 200 foot hill here from from up here to down here
31:27 is about 200 feet it's super steep um really dangerous for the cows to go down and there's really no way for me to practically fence it down into the um into the river and so this this here is not um like you may not be like this is 200 feet and it's it's it's it's steep like i when i go down to the river i repel i you know i i hook into a i tie it off to a tree and i literally they repel down to the river when I go down there. It's not that easy to get to. So, you know, in grazing out here, maybe one day when I finally get to, you know, I was thinking actually of
32:05 putting my pigs out here and letting them just go out into this area. But there's wild pigs and there's other issues. There's wild dogs. There's all kinds of things. So it's gnarlier than you think and it's not like i can just yeah so um and then looking over my dad's place here um he just put in so he's growing really nice uh taro here and really nice pineapples here and then he just put in these two rows and again we put in uh fish and imos into these rows here and he's going to plant more pineapples and my dad's place is doing pretty darn well
32:45 um his pineapples here just finishing up this summer uh really nice production off these from you know spraying everything right here he has a huge thing of uh kabocha pumpkins um and doing amazing and then his greenhouse is kicking butt you know he and my mom both uh farming those so really doing well uh with the microbes and all that and um he just he just finished mowing this yard and then collecting all my grass and then mulching these, um, his garden beds here. So, um, and then coming over to my place, you can see my neighbors. They just basically till all this
33:26 stuff up and, you know, go Babylon agriculture. They're really productive. Don't get me wrong. They're really productive, but, um, also super detrimental to the soil and the whole ecosystem, um, versus my place, you know, my sugar cane, all more jungly about to run the cows, eventually again through here knock this grass back um and you know my our food forest here kind of it's doing okay um i mean it's really healthy and everything it's just i i need to get out there more to make it more productive um i've been you know like i said busy doing other
34:03 projects and things but um just looking around you know the the health of like my my bananas over here, no bunchy top, really healthy, doing well. These pastures, just when I do run the cows through there, amazing fertility. You know, got my tree rows in here, doing more food forest, centropic type farming, you know, coming around looking. We just started to plant a couple rows of taro and cabbages and other things here. And then my lychee tree did really well. And my longan tree is about to be coming on. I got to cut down this tree, chip it up.
34:49 But, you know, all the my ice cream beans and things I need to go through and trim them down, I kind of let them grow all summer, get a little bunch of carbonaceous woody material in there um and and i gotta cut down these tree rows and mulch them into where we're actually farming good stuff um but yeah so i just wanted to give you a little um overflight of what um what's going on there at the farm um and then the drone I use is this little guy. So the, the pure K and F foundation was able to acquire this drone. Um, but this little, um,
35:34 it's a Mavic Mavic pro DJI Mavic. Awesome. Little, little thing and fly, you know, folds out like this, you know, fly it around. And, um, it, it does all my filming and what i've been doing is i used a program called um litchy it's almost like litchy but it's not it's like litchy and i set up a route so that basically that route that you just saw it fly i have it pre-programmed in so i just say hey fly this route and um and push the button and it just it flies the route automatic and has these different points of
36:19 interest that it points the camera at as it's flying. And what's cool is I've been able to fly the same route every month, month after month. And I try to fly it at least once a month. And then what it does, eventually I'll be able to take, because it's flying the same route, then I can do some cool video manipulation of, you know, time-lapsing this thing, because it's always flying the same route time after time. So looking forward to doing that eventually here. I just, you know, got to find more time, energy, money, all these things to
36:50 be able to afford to do that. Um, so, you know, like everyone it's, it's there. So, um, so anyway, um, hope you enjoyed that little, uh, overflight there, um, showing what's up, what I'm doing. Um, and then, um, yeah. Um, yeah. So it's good to see the whole crew getting in here. It's going, I'm glad I, you know, do this, uh, you know, week after week and you guys enjoy trying to show you some valuable things and what I'm up to and, you know, sure. So, um, So Shaman King here got a question on, I just put it up here.
37:37 What can be used to get rid of termites in a cactus? And termites in something, it sounds like it needs more health to it. You know, if something's boring into something, you know, can of structure is going to be crucial at giving it that calcium phosphate, like protective metal layer that it needs. uh, you know, I mean, some termites are going to be natural. You know, I was just watching a guy that's talking about, you know, it's like, yeah, you do get some bugs and things when you're doing things naturally, but you're also building a better, more, more robust, healthier ecosystem.
38:18 Um, I would say more IMOs, good IMO to get it around and put it in there. Um, you know, you and if you really want to get rid of the termites directly then you know use some jadam pesticide sulfur type of thing and kill those and then come back and then put in the um you know good microorganisms and rebuild your your ecosystem from scratch basically and you know good IMOs and spraying maintenance regularly you know if you're able to get out there and do it, it's what's going to make the difference. So yeah, that's, I don't, you know,
38:58 I don't really suffer from termites eating things, but I would imagine you increase the health of the plant, it will fight back those termites naturally. Yeah, and I could make a big, a bigger mouse arrow. I know I usually make my mouse bigger, and or I also have this thing where I can make my mouse. So I'll try and make my mouse bigger. But you got to just full screen that thing and full HD it, man, or get your Apple Vision Pro and turn it on and plug into the Matrix fully. But yeah, so. And then Andrew here is, I'm just going to say Andrew because I know,
39:41 um is asking about is it okay to make uh knf medicine in one liter jars instead of half gallon ones sure um smaller batches you should be fine um you know i would say not to make it like pint jars or like those tiny tiny ones but uh elite like you know a liter just size jar should be fine absolutely make a smaller batch um do it you should be great um i would recommend that um what's what's uh what's daniel talking about here need to grow grass on three acres of mostly red cinder will spraying liquid imo and mowing the weeds down help bring the land to life
40:21 yes is the red cinder too inert for the imo to thrive uh no uh it will break down obviously the more um organic matter you can get out there like if you also put in some wood chips and some things uh you know leaves whatever scrape up things put it down it'll help um but grass is really tough especially here in hawaii um the liquid iam all help to break down that cinder red cinder is the most resistant to growing other things it's just you know just the nature of what makes red cinder it's just not that um not that fertile but um but put it out you know red is indicating it's like
41:06 older rock and somehow that stuff comes up so um but just um you know go for it man uh liquid i am always going to be your best friend to break that stuff down um you know get some can of fuel out there and just you know and throw grass seed out there and it will find a way you know grass is tough it will come in and if you keep mowing the other taller stuff down the grass will come in you'll create that organic matter just keep doing it that way you know it would work man just yeah just get get after it um so yeah thanks thanks so sue so i don't know how to say that so i'm just
41:51 gonna say so i'm not sure if that's how um but really nice farm thanks yeah i've been working on it for a while um really even jonathan was saying it looks great i've been you know really trying to bring back this dead cane land pasture land and make it fertile so um is the the mavic good for a beginner yeah i mean it's it's kind of costly but um but a mavic mini or something um would be good to get up there um you know yeah i would i would definitely recommend uh dji drones though they're they're great good things um and um yeah so
42:35 um yeah and then the goof man says he made his oh in and one quart jars and when he was done he had three gallons of ohn so yeah it's it's quite it's quite voluminous from just even small things so um yeah um yeah if you're gonna go into town anyway you can pick up the county mulch and bring it and add to the cinder it'll just help the grass um grow you know and just mowing it and all that stuff um um and then kathleen is asking here if she lives in south carolina Where can I get the right dried cinnamon, licorice, and angelica roots?
43:21 I'm not sponsored by these guys, but I always use mountain rose herbs. And I'm just going to go like this. And I always use these guys. I should be sponsored by them maybe. Get a deal from them. I don't know. Let's see. Can I do this? Yeah. Is that? There. yeah so i use these guys mountain rose herbs um i just go to herbs and spices here and then i just search here you know and um you don't want the powder let's just view all 68 reveal
44:06 results here um but these cinnamon sticks or actually what i end up using are these um right here this um either one of these i think will work i think master let me let me just open two tabs here and see one of these um it's not this varum one although i think this will work um or i guess maybe this is the true cinnamon is it i don't know i always get messed up i should probably give you the correct things but this yeah so this one helps with uh stimulating the heart and cooling the digestive system so this is this is a good one to use right here these sweet
44:53 chips cinnamon sweet chips um i don't know if this one or brimani you know maybe there's certain ones that i i don't know i would definitely okay so let me just go and say i recommend this one because i i don't want to get into a whole thing of live undermining myself but um here uh this one here and what i usually do is get a pound of it it's kind of pricey but one pound is enough to do i think two half gallon jars of this stuff um i'm pretty sure i should probably get all these um known quantities together but yeah basically i'm pretty sure you can do it that
45:40 way i should i should go back to my ohn and then so i use that one and then angelica you really want to get expensive go to this one angelica root this is the most pricey a pound is like 48 bucks but this again one um it will do it'll for sure make at least one half gallon batch i'm pretty pretty darn sure i don't i don't know because i haven't done it for a while i've been i have so much of this stuff that i i haven't done it for a while it really should refresh my mind if anyone knows drop it in the chat of how much i mean i can pull up the recipe it actually says what you need
46:18 um and ben is also in south carolina so let me show this he says you know um and and he can share with you if you need something so ben ben's was a student is a student of mine was here you know amazing guy really really kind amazing sweet gentleman um so i use this one and then the other one is you need um licorice so let's just look up the licorice really fast it go reach root let's see what they got um so again don't use the powder the powder will turn into all kinds of bummers for you um but i end up using this one um let's see i'm gonna pull up both these i think
47:07 this is the one i ended up using for them and it was 35 bucks but now it's only 17 talk about it yeah so it's only 17 bucks to order now tell them i sent you some stuff maybe one time they'll give me a discount i don't know um but i think the globara works i don't know i really should you You know, if you search the thing, I've talked about this a bunch. I don't know. I just haven't loaded this in my brain to be answering you on the spot of which one's the right one. I mean, I think either of the licorice will work, though. But I think it's the globara that you want. I don't know.
47:47 And somebody should pull that up. In fact, I have my book. Why not just look at the book and see what the heck it says? because I have this stuff in here and let me not like let me not just be a fool and use my own resources here but let's look at the book and go to the can of medicine because it's like why do I just make stuff up instead I should look at the book and here you need 200 grams or of dried herbs so 200 what is one pound 200 grams let me see so per half gallon jar this is a half gallon jar recipe let me just pull up this converter and see if i go to wait wait wait wait
48:37 And I go to 200 grams is 0.4 pounds. Yeah, so I was right. So if you buy the pound thing, it should make two batches of this stuff. However, the Angelica, you are going to need more of it because you do two of them. So you need to buy, you know, two bags of Angelica to do two of things. It's a bag per OHN. So, you know, I should just always reference the book. Why do I do other things? I don't know. Why not just look at my own information here? But basically 200 grams per batch.
49:24 And this is a half-gallon jar recipe. Okay. I don't know if that's clear. I can try to make this stuff more clear. but basically so each you know if i get one bag of cinnamon it's going to make two batches if i get two bags of angelica it'll make two batches because i'm going to need four jars of angelica anyway um yeah um and then do i have the actual which ones they are no i don't have it here um but it is in this other book. But anyway, I've talked about it before. So go back and search the office hours. Let me just see.
50:11 KNFSupport.com. Search the office hours and go search for Licorice. and here December 18th 2022 it was talked about the garlic cinnamon licorice these were all talked about so if you search this and you look up this and I also talked about mountain rose herbs amazing um so thanks to Suze and the Pure Can Foundation for helping with these things but here uh we went over this and talked about the things for sure on that office hour also So November 20th, 2022, it looks like, where was it?
50:57 Let me just go and say licorice. And then it's talked about the types of licorice and cinnamon here. So if you search and you're able to use this thing here, it's talked about the 45-minute mark on this episode, which is November 20th, 2022. two so you can easily go back to past episodes and find those as well which is always good because i don't always have this stuff loaded in my mind but i do have references and things out there so um okay so let's see here going back going back um so uh if i wanted to make the rest of the nutrient content of a water soluble phosphorus
51:49 made from doc who where would i send it out to or what is the name of the test for a liquid nutrient content uh like you're saying like chemical tests for things i don't know i i send it to my university or I would contact a university nearby you with an extension. Yeah, I would, I would say, you know, for me in this case, you know, let's see here. If I go, let's see this one, that one. If I go, like, if I just look up UH Manoa nutrient testing um i think you do it testing your soil like here you know like a university
52:42 will have these things these are soil samples but they also do like chemical testing of certain things or at least they'll know who to go to and this is the university near me so i'm sure your university will have something like that it's usually quite pricey to do but um but you can do it that way so um you know they're they're all into like divide and conquer and like find you know assays and analysis it usually is pretty expensive though um anderson here i live in a corniferous carniferous forest is it okay to grab imo and that kind of
53:22 soil rather than leaf mold um i think that's like pine needles and stuff you want to look for broad leaves so if you can look for broad leaves around you if you find those in the forest but your imo is your imo but broad leaves are better to find what you're looking for so just let you know coniferous i don't know coniferous yeah um so coming through coming through um and what is this saying uh the cactus are for human and livestock consumption if jajam sulfur is used how would we wait to get rid of the smell before consumption and then don't use the sulfur
54:05 man um um yeah i mean you gotta wait on the thing is the sulfur gets up taken up into the plants it gets really kind of nasty in there um anyway so just don't you you know you find something else um so my garden turned pathogenic after fungal after last insanely rainy summer and the soil gets extremely compact and now the plants have rust anthracnose in the leaves what can i do can't have protectors man the lactic acid bacteria you know it's in it's in the book here um they're they're your best friends for getting rid of that kind of thing
54:47 um early often treatment dose them up um but the knf protectors here let me just share like this these guys the protectors the lactic acid bacterias you got to get these guys in there they will deal with compaction they will deal with all that so get your make your lacto from milk collect it out of the air, make it, spray it, spread it. It'll help with all those problems you're mentioning. Oh, man. Let me drink a little water here. Okay. Yeah. And thanks. Thanks, Daniel, for clarifying. You can make two batches per pound.
55:33 Okay. Coming down, coming down, coming down. yeah okay so ben's saying he also got his herbs from mountain rose herbs but takes him a long time to ship yeah i don't know um okay cool you guys are near each other hopefully you guys can meet up ben is also super good he's certified to teach you learn from him he's great he's a great guy um yeah so thanks for the resources i try my best to put out this stuff week after week and month after month and putting out these things um and um yeah so doing those things getting into this um what's up tinfoil hat scholar i think
56:29 he's going to be on next week we got an appointment look at his healer nice dog um and so um okay let's see what is what does the goofman say i almost went and got my master gardener degree did not see the point of spending for 400 on getting it not really being able to go outside the extension per the local rules yeah yeah you gotta watch out man the universities um you know they'll teach you but you also gotta learn okay um so last little thing i wanted to get into here with you guys speaking of healers
57:08 speaking of good things speaking of great things i wanted to show you um project i'm working on a little bit here um and go go to this one we'll go to this one look at that nice healer it's a healer dalmatian look at her she's pretty amazing my dog kina she's getting pretty old now she's a year old she had her first heat so what i wanted to show you is they got this little drone here it's going to help us out but what i'm working on right now is a project where um what we're doing is we're spraying this area so this here you can look at this this is a close-up of the barn area
57:49 from the aerial drone i showed you earlier but what i want to show you is look how what's happening here i i really i didn't spray since march i i had some catastrophe happen to me in early march and i basically quit spraying and so it's been like six months or at least five four months of not dealing with this and what this is is banana bungee top all these plants you can see them dying off and dying and it's it's my fault because i haven't been doing knf and i've been watching them die i go there every day and i watch it get worse and worse some are still putting out good
58:25 fruits some are still doing well but basically i've let bungee tops spread into this oh shoot i didn't want to do that i wanted to actually i don't know how i sped it up but but all these plants are now getting bungee tops so it's now my project to try to um to just play regular speed okay um so now it's my project to come into here and i flew this drone on this pattern so i'm going to continue to fly but what i want you to see is like look at these plants they're entirely sick they're doing really poorly um so this is a great test case can knf resolve this which it's my fault
59:08 for letting this happen right i could have the entire time prevented this by being out and spraying and doing all this stuff but i tell you what getting out spraying it's hard uh staying on it it's hard it's all this so what we did is we got this little machine right here and we got it as a um as a thing to help us and so what i want to show you is also this um that basically i think i'm not sure if the sound is going to come through for this so maybe a better way to do this is for me to go this way and to grab this and do it this way here for you and um shoot okay um
59:54 let's see here so i what i'm going to do instead is going this and then throw this thing in there this is drake with the pure knf foundation and today we're getting out our dji agricultural drone and we're going to start spraying for banana bunchy top so part of our research is we're using this new agricultural drone and going in and trying to get in get the natural farming solutions dosed right so that we can then be effective at deploying this modern technology with this ancient natural farming to solve real-world agricultural problems for us here on our farm we're really been
1:00:41 having a big problem with banana bungee top I don't know if you can see behind but these trees are suffering from bungee top and they've basically the whole trunk bunches up and the fruit has a really hard time to remain out and it will eventually stunt the crops and then even destroy them and it is a virus but we have found that putting lactic acid bacteria the KNF protectors into the top canopy can really be effective on controlling and mitigating the symptoms of the banana bungee tongue. So today we're doing our first test. It is
1:01:22 August 3rd, 2023 and we are going to well I am actually going to mix a bunch of lactobacillus together you know in water and then spray that on this crop and I'm trying to get the dosage and everything together but I think today I'm going to do 25 gallons per acre and dilute the protectors one to one thousand and also add in some can of food as well I had a rate of about one to five hundred dilution so we'll mix that up I'll mix that up and then put in the drone and then spray it out here and see you know you're looking at it here today but we'll see what happens
1:02:08 over the next few weeks to months and see if we can make a big difference using Korean natural farming to solve these real-life agricultural problems. So thanks for tuning in and hope to see you as we progress through this project. Aloha. So I'm going to upload that to YouTube, I think, and just sharing that with you guys who are tuned in here, but um not exactly sure i kind of wanted to keep the drone on the dl of like figuring it out using it getting it all right but it's cool because it also it has a sprayer and then i also got a
1:02:49 spreader for it um the foundation actually bought this as a research tool for us um and so we're gonna be using it to restore my pastures as well as treating the bunchy top as a use case and my main thing right now is i'm trying to get the you know like if i dilute one to uh you know 25 gallons per acre which is master chose recommendation is that enough with the drone am i am i able to spray you know is that all this so what's cool is the drone sprays it and then it puts it into the canopy and it's above and it makes it you know where i said like it's hard
1:03:25 for me to spray each week now i have the thing where it can basically land the drone right where I am mixed tanks really easy put it in and spray it out on the farm and it the interesting thing is the the drone it lasts about you know you can spray out a tank in about six minutes so it's spraying about 10 gallons every six minutes um and you know so we'll see so we'll see how it actually ends up working and how you know I want to do this spreader and put um take the bio which is the the pig pen floor from my um from the pigs and load that in and spread that on the pastures
1:04:03 behind me over here that i was showing you earlier and um you know so see how imos work and see how the solutions work from this aerial thing because i really think that this could be the answer for all kinds of problems like on the kona side they have this coffee leaf rust which is just killing their coffee production and if we could get the drone over there and come in and do it in a week or a day and spray an entire farm like supposedly this thing will spray 25 gallons an hour if you can keep it in the air um you know so it has two batteries and you're constantly charging
1:04:38 it off the generator and going into a field and it's it's really cool you know i'm not sure how much like i want to kind of get this idea together and get it together and then i mean it's good to spread is just a general thing but then if you spread ideas like this then someone else like jacks them from you and tries to do all this stuff and you end up getting into weird things but you know hopefully i can just be open source trust god trust everyone trust the right things have the right relationships you know um and that it'll all work out well in the right way i mean
1:05:11 i'm trying to just add um positive vibes to the world of really what's happening you know but sometimes you want to like finish something and get it good before you share it but i don't know my the nature of me is i always just share early share often and then you know that usually works out fairly well for me but i've been screwed over a few times for sure so um but anyway i trust you guys you're here at this um doing the right things um the drone is pretty fun um but it's also it's it's wild to operate by yourself you know i'm trying to like the other day i was trying to film
1:05:47 it plus fly it plus fill it plus charge it all of my myself and it's like it's wild um but getting that thing up there um it's uh it's good um and i used i used talus drones out of um california but um i you know i'm only somewhat stoked with them i'd really like it if they you know before i advertise a whole bunch for them. Like you get a sponsorship because we're going to need to do more business with them and it would be good. Yeah. And I do think eventually we'll turn it into some sort of drone service where, um, you know, I could see that as something that I might,
1:06:27 I might move into as something that I may offer because, you know, I'll have the KNF expertise and then I'll have, you know, get my, getting my drone certification license right now to be able to fly and come in and yeah modern crop dusting come in and put you know it's funny everything i see is dosing for like poisons and herbicides and and fungicides and i'm like actually loading in microorganisms and positive beneficial things so i don't need like a pesticide application license and all this other stuff and anyway but there's a lot of you know regulations with faa and all that
1:07:02 i'm just sorting through all that right now so we're just doing a test right here on our our our farm before we go out to do anything for anyone else and all that so but anyway just little preview of what we're doing i'll keep you guys updated on you know i basically plan to spray the banana bungee top uh either weekly or bi-weekly meaning once once or twice a week and then i'll be continue to fly my mavic around that same pattern to see um you know the change in it because i'm not one thing with the drone and maybe you guys can help me with this um is
1:07:36 I'm not really sure how to do the testing and how to quantify this scientifically and to say this made a difference. And it was this, this dosage at this rate, at this altitude, at this speed, you know, and all these things, like, it's really hard for me to figure out how to like, have a control and do these things and see if there's a difference. And, you know, I've had such a diverse polyculture that it's hard for me to like spray one area and not. And then just like dr fauci i gotta take that i don't i gotta dose the entire control group too
1:08:09 because you know i gotta you know have everyone in the experiment because otherwise there would be you know it's too safe and effective for anything so um you know anyway um i i don't know i so i i'm i'm not sure how to document the science on it other than you can see it right now it's pretty darn looking sick. And I hope that by my efforts, you'll see that it looks pretty darn healthy after a few weeks or months of this treatment. So hopefully the plants will recover. Hopefully we'll see the bananas come back to life. Hopefully I'll, you know, see the pastures even improve even
1:08:48 better, but I've already been working on the pastures. So it's like, how do I separate out what I'm doing from what I've already been doing from what I want to do? Anyway, I'm in a conundrum of how to prove that this really works other than that you know a month or two after doing this my farm should look like picture perfect we're just like there's no disease anywhere and it's just rich fertility and that's pretty much my goal so anyway that long rant over time really appreciate printer bear throwing down some um some super chats we'll go you know um
1:09:22 appreciate you guys tuning in all the support, um, keeping the KNF community growing. Um, big thanks to the pure KNF foundation for helping me get out here each week and do this. Um, and, um, yeah, so I'll just continue to keep doing what I do and build relationships and try to, you know, build better things. I think next week we're going to have tinfoil hat man. Uh, and I say tinfoil hat man, tinfoil hat scholar on the show. Um, we're going to get into some regenerative ag conversations and those things. Hopefully if everything goes right, you know,
1:10:03 um, and, um, yeah. So anyway, I appreciate you guys. I'm going to tune out and, uh, go here. I think I'm just going to hit and broadcast. So thanks. Oh, check out my shirt before you go look at that yep yep if you want one of these let me know um maybe i'll sell some merch but uh got the knf microbe shirt going on made it just for you guys this morning and uh anyway okay all of you guys all long live the natural farmer aloha see you next week i know and broadcast and broadcast