OHN Frost Spray, Jadam Sulfur for Canker, Coffee Leaf Rust
Drake opens with a Pure KNF Foundation update. New members Cecily, Storm Mason, Goof, and Bird joined this month. The foundation's first monthly members meeting featured Spencer and Earl of Royal Flush Farms talking soil and rabbits. Stephen Cornett of Nature's Always Right is booked for May 2024.
Questions covered: adding soap to the maintenance formula (skip it, vinegar already cuts the surfactant effect, and 25 gallons per acre as a light mist absorbs fine on its own); fermented seawater in animal drinking water (fine, as long as it ferments clean and doesn't stink); and spraying OHN alone, diluted 1:1000, ahead of a frost, since the alcohol, cinnamon, and garlic warm plant tissue. He runs the math with ChatGPT: 25 gallons per acre works out to about 217 milliliters per 100 square feet.
Drake describes a Jadam consult at a neighbor's kava farm. Under a 10x loupe, white spotting on older kava leaves reads as powdery mildew, not whitefly, tied to monocropping and thin microbe populations. He walks through Master Cho's book recipe five for canker, black spot, pear rust, and brown blotch: Jadam wetting agent at 5 liters plus Jadam sulfur at 1.5 liters mixed into 500 liters of water, applied every seven days, or every two to three days if disease is spreading fast. For serious pepper canker, double the soap to 10 liters and push sulfur to about 2 liters.
On coffee leaf rust in Kona, Drake says sulfur knocks it back over one to two weeks of spraying every two to three days, then good IMOs rebuild plant health so rust stops being a problem. He points farmers to Dan, whom he trained on Middle Keʻei Road, plus Cole Kaʻaukai Bandera and Jason at Mele ʻĀina Farms.
Questions answered
- 13:41 Does adding soap to the maintenance spray help it absorb better, or does calcium in the water ruin it? — Vinegar already cuts soap's surfactant effect, and a proper 25-gallon-per-acre mist absorbs well without it.
- 16:32 Can fermented seawater be given to animals through their drinking water? — Yes, as long as it's fermented properly and doesn't smell bad.
- 26:30 Frost is coming next week. Should I spray straight OHN diluted 1:1000 on fruit trees in the evening? — Yes, OHN alone helps before a frost because its alcohol, cinnamon, and garlic warm the plant tissue.
- 33:24 Are the 12 free Jadam teaching videos still posted on YouTube? — Drake isn't sure, but points to his 2016 Young Sang Cho playlist and Master Cho's own 20-video series as the real source material.
- 42:20 What's wrong with a neighbor's kava leaves showing white powdery spots? — Under a 10x loupe it looked like powdery mildew fungus, not whitefly, caused by monocropping and low microbe levels.
- 48:12 What's the recipe for downy or powdery mildew? — Jadam wetting agent and Jadam sulfur, the soap-and-sulfur mix covered the prior week, followed up with microbes to rebuild the plant.
- 49:43 What's the recipe for canker, black spot, pear rust, and brown blotch disease? — Jadam wetting agent at 5 liters plus Jadam sulfur at 1.5 liters mixed into 500 liters of water, applied every 7 days or every 2-3 days if spreading fast.
- 52:03 How do you adjust the dose if pepper canker is serious? — Double the soap to 10 liters, increase sulfur to about 2 liters, and apply every two days.
- 1:00:16 How can KNF or Jadam help with coffee leaf rust? Kona farmers are giving up organic certification over it. — Sulfur knocks it back over one to two weeks of spraying every 2-3 days, then good IMOs keep it from coming back; contact Dan on Middle Keʻei Road.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Welcome to KNF Office Hours
- 4:31 Pure KNF Foundation membership update
- 13:41 Soap in the maintenance spray?
- 16:32 Fermented seawater for animals
- 17:51 I Ching: Fellowship With Others
- 26:30 OHN spray before a frost
- 33:24 Jadam videos still on YouTube?
- 40:18 Jadam versus Master Cho's original teaching
- 42:20 Kava leaf disease under the loupe
- 48:12 Recipe for powdery and downy mildew
- 49:43 Recipe for canker, black spot, pear rust
- 1:00:16 Coffee leaf rust in Kona
- 1:06:01 Sign-off
Transcript
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1:30 Hey, good morning. Welcome to Korean Natural Farming Office Hour with me, Drake. Here again, Sundays, 9 a.m. Hawaiian Standard Time, live on YouTube and knfsupport.com. So, office hour is an hour where you can ask me anything Korean Natural Farming or otherwise related. and, you know, spend time, join a community, be part of what's happening. And all this started with, you know, Master Cho being the good guy he is,
2:16 out there teaching Korean natural farming, but also long, long lineage, long history of everything natural farming all coming together. But, you know, going deeper each day. And if we have time today, which we probably will have time today, if there's no questions and such, we'll be getting deeper into Madag, also known as Jadam Organic Farming. We've been covering that this year, 2024. So if you want to hit up past episodes, go to knfsupport.com and check out the past episodes. And usually, you know, we're getting to the Madag towards the end,
2:56 and our table of contents will be coming through and all that happening. So we got some great folks in the house. Good to see Kathleen again. Unfortunate news on her mother passing, but yeah, my heart's with you on that. I just can't even imagine the day that my mom goes, but such as death to bring room for a new life and, um, you know, hopefully toss a little bit of IMO in there with the casket and or other ashes. We just, uh, my grandpa just passed away a little bit ago and we took his ashes and we
3:33 put it around a coconut tree because his name, his nickname was coconut owl. So we only decided it was appropriate to plant a coconut tree with his ashes in his honor in our yard. So we have coconut owl growing, turning those ashes into plants, letting the microbes go through that whole transformative process. But you can't have life without death. So it's coming for us all one day. Hopefully we can make life better and pass on good things and leave a legacy like Master Cho of just, you know, amazing things in our, in our wake. We got Cecily coming in from Western
4:17 Australia. What's up Cecily? It's so, it's so nice to, um, get to know you. Um, so this, this past Sunday, um, uh, what was it last week? So I think it's the 14th. Um, we met as a foundation. So if you are a member, go to pureknf.org. And let me get this thing over here like this, this one, do this. And we were able to meet Pure K&F Foundation. So our non-profit has now has members. Cecily is one of them. Goose in the house and Storm Mason in the house. both those guys also members of the pure knf foundation and um so also uh oh and bird we all
5:03 got another member in the house so we we met a little bit and i just want to show you uh here i think i gotta log in here and do this and then um and show you a little bit because i've been been working on these things but you know usually i share this in the membership but But man, we've been doing some monthly meetings. So last week here, we were able to meet. Next month, we got Stephen Cornett coming up. Nature's always right. So if you know Stephen, you're a big fan of his YouTube. Nature's always right. He's coming up May 2024.
5:37 So if you're thinking you're on the edge of getting a membership, jump in now. Get that thing. But we met here and we had Royal Flush Farms. So that was Spencer and Earl coming out. And they talked, you know, here's a picture of those so fine folks when they were here in Hawaii taking the training with me. This behind them is Rainbow Falls. So where the goddess Hina lives and she lives under this waterfall and she pounds kappa all day long. And but we did, I think, yeah, we put up the video recording already. So let's see. So let me mute that. But we got to see all our members.
6:17 We got new members of the house. There's Cecily right there. We got Stone Mason over here and Goof right there. Nice picture, Goof. But Spencer and Earl talked to us and let's see. Do we have? Yeah. So they talked to us all about this. Just great things. You know, their soil just kicking butt. Earl doing some rabbits, all kinds of good things. So if you are interested in this and wanting to learn more and hear from just like KNF experts out there as part of our monthly meeting and be part of it where you can, oh, I guess we
6:52 kind of filmed them towards the end, but you can actually ask questions too as part of this. So it's kind of a different, slightly different format than office hours, but you know, membership, getting together, talking story, you got Chris in the house, all these folks here doing, yeah. And it was awesome. Take, take the word from Stonemason. It's like, you know, so, so again, you know, you want to be a member. It is it's, you know, it's affordable. It's affordable. It is, you know, price of a price of a coffee a month, something like that for,
7:32 you know, and or you can, you can set the limit for what you want to pay. You know, there's no upper limit, but there is a lower limit. It's, you know, $60 a year. That's, that's $5 a month. and you get all that more amazing content coming your way doing those things. And so I highly encourage you to do that. Speaking of highly encouraging things, hopefully you enjoyed yesterday. Nice happy spring holiday to everyone. Today, National Urinalysis Day, you know, celebrating with everyone. so yeah the herbal smoker last night or uh yesterday i guess if that was your thing
8:12 and i'm wearing my aloha humboldt hat um which i got on the uh knf aloha tour which spencer and earl came to i remember in humboldt california that was heck of fun so we'll ever see if i get back to america if i do do another aloha tour cruise around the west coast and um meet up with everybody, but we don't know. I I'm staying, I think, I think I'm just going to stay in Hawaii. Um, but we'll see, we'll see the world's calling there's duty. I must leave. I don't know. I am going to be doing course on Maui on the 14th of May coming up. I don't know that a couple of
8:55 weekends from now. And then, uh, do have plans started sort of making plans to go to Oahu. So we'll be traveling between the islands but mostly staying in Hawaii um so yeah so that's news things uh what's up we got solar gourmet coming in from Germany and that's the other cool thing about the Pure KNF Foundation is we are a worldwide organization it's actually it's it's really cool I mean here like we're like truly a global organization so if you're around the globe you want to join in all kinds of member benefits and those things, but enough of that. Um, let's
9:34 get into, Oh, and we got so in the house, what's up? So, um, shocker barrel from Brazil coming in. Yo, good to, good to see you and everybody out there and a stone. What's up? Yeah. Okay. Um, yeah. And then Goof says, can't wait for the next meeting. Been watching. Nature's always right for almost as long as I've been watching Drake. That's great. Um, you know, and, um, and also I did, uh, you know, it's kind of funny because, uh, I did a microbial secret, which I I'm contemplating taking this website down just by the way. So if you like this website, I might consolidate it into
10:15 another one, but it costs me, you know, I, I, I'm basically keeping up as charity right now, but I did interview Stephen Cornett right here, episode 26. So if you want to listen to the first hour free, you can do that right here, right now, microbialsecret.org before it goes down. And I don't know, may convert these episodes. I got to sneeze. May convert these episodes to some other format because a subscription for this where I'm not making new episodes does not make sense. And this is $8 a month, way more than the
10:54 Microbi, or than the Pure Canif Foundation. Of course, this isn't a nonprofit. This is like, you know, but, um, but I did interview Stephen Cornett. So if you are interested in that microbialsecret.org slash podcast slash episode dash 26. Um, and I also interviewed Spencer and Earl episode 27. So it's almost like we're doing a repeat of this, but this is with video and stuff. these guys man love them so amazing that's yarrow earl spencer maybe i mean he's he's looking thin now and they got pigs and they got um that plant um oh and there's another picture of him look at
11:31 that that's fun that is fun that's yarrow it's earl spencer actually his name's loren but they colomaral. Um, but, uh, yeah, so doing, doing all those things. So there's also those out there. If you're, if you're interested in digging into more, maybe we'll figure out how to link those in and, uh, what's up? We got Belgium in the house. What's up, Christoph, um, and Mitchell, how's it? Brad, you're in, um, and eyewitness is saying, proud father of my first banana flower. We'll see how this bunch turns out. So, eyewitness down in Florida doing it. Hopefully, it's going to
12:15 get some bananas. I think Florida, you can get bananas, right? Although, it's still like sort of winter, spring. I don't know. April 20th. Yeah, got to be springish around the world. Jonathan, what's up? Pacific Northwest in the house. Yep. Yep. And Spencer. Yeah, if you know Spencer, he's, he's legendary, bro. Legendary. Um, they were talking about, you know, all about their, their soil. Just, you know, it's actually super relieving to hear because here I am, I promulgate this stuff and I'm like, yeah, you just practice. And then it gets easier
12:50 and easier. And they're like, we've been practicing and it's been getting easier and easier. And I'm like, yes, I'm not just, um, I'm not just full of manure. Um, you know, cause it's, it's true. this stuff works it does you know you apply it um and it goes pretty far and we got hunt balu what's up in the house so we got a lot of good good folks here good good uh good friends in the house doing doing good things um so with that any questions any questions i did uh i don't think i wrote down the question from last time let me see here one quick thing yeah um let me go here
13:33 can't have support real quick here just go can of support here and see oh there is um there are a few questions here we had taliz in the house last time he he dropped a bunch of questions on me one weekend he was just like asking all these things and I was answering all these things one thing I thought that was interesting um was this one I just I just go over this question real quick here it says uh would adding soap to maintenance spray be uh make it better absorbed by plants given its wetting properties or would the calcium in
14:10 the water make it hard and render it useless um and I I answered it here and I just said soap's ability to sud or act as a surfactant is significantly cut by vinegar. And I find that there are diminishing returns of using soap in the maintenance formula. A light mist spray at the proper amount of 25 gallons per acre will be absorbed quite well by the plants. And the soap will only be really benefit if you're over spraying to wet instead of mist the plant surface. So, you know, if you're, if you're heavily over spraying and then, you know, that
14:50 wetting, that spreading out makes, it makes a difference, but that means you're applying more than you should per gallon per acre. Uh, you know, the recommended spray is 25 gallons per acre. So it's not going to make a huge difference of spreading out on the leaf. It's going to be hit the leaf surface surface pretty well and spread out. So this is even true, you know,
15:08 So adding a soap, adding a wetting agent, not necessarily necessary for the thing, especially the maintenance formula or any KNF solution that has vinegar in it, which is pretty much everyone except for the harvest formula, I believe. I don't know that the harvest formula has vinegar in it. And in my practice, it seems superfluous and extraneous cost to use soap for anything besides pest control.
15:34 I think it's better investment as getting the proper spraying equipment and to put out the proper doses and make the job as easy as possible to do it more frequently than trying to add more to the formulations. So I'm pretty biased on doing it textbook standard. You know, of course, if you come take the training, you know that the textbook is just a guidance and you being the farmer knowing exactly how to modify and add these solutions in there properly. um but that um you know following following what it said instead of trying to make things better
16:09 and trying to uh you know like i'm not against innovation but um you know do a side-by-side trial prove me wrong you know prove me wrong um so anyway that that was i thought that was an interesting question. And what else do we got here? And then this question, fermented seawater is an animal drink. What is this? I didn't read this one yet. It says, hello, great natural farmers. Yes, that's you. That's you. Oh, you know what? Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I got so excited with the intro. We just dove in without the higher wisdom. Oh my gosh. Okay. So we'll get back to
16:51 that. So please could fermented seawater be given to animals through drinking water? Um, yes, as long as it's fermented properly. Um, and it's not stinky. So I get that's, that's my answer. I'm going to type that in later. I know what I got so excited. I got so excited. I was just like, okay, yeah. You know why? Cause I was thinking about the meeting and I was thinking about how great it was last week. Yeah. I got so excited. We forgot the higher wisdom. So we'll go grab a little bit of that right now. It's probably going to tell me to chill out. Oh, no, even better.
17:24 Okay, so today, today, sorry, I missed it. I'm out of order. Why? I didn't, I don't, I don't have, I got to write down a checklist for myself. I got to have a standard operating procedure. Do this, this, this, this, read the higher wisdom being in bold at the top. How can I forget this? This is the first time I think ever, maybe once or two episodes, find an episode, put it in the comments below. I love how YouTube people say that, of where I forgot the higher wisdom before. Today is fellowship with others. In fellowship with others, embody the principles of the sage.
17:59 This hexagram addresses the proper basis for relationships with others. It generally comes as a sign that some sort of self-correction is needed in this area. arena arena proper relationships whether in love work family or friendship must be founded on and conducted under proper principles in order to succeed our model for how to behave with others is the sage in relating we are obliged to practice kindness humility correctness equanimity, and openness.
18:44 Wherever we depart from these, we lose the aid of the higher power and risk an encounter with misfortune. The fundamental rule of the I Ching for the conduct of relationships is they take place in the open. This means every facet of a relationship should be seen as fair and correct by everyone concerned. not just yourself. It also means that it's improper to enter into or continue relationships with unspoken reservations or hidden intentions. Exceptional things can be accomplished by those who come together correctly in fellowship now under the guidance of an enlightened leader or leaders.
19:36 Seek that role by pattering yourself after the sage Meet others halfway in a spirit of sincerity and receptivity Give trust where it's due Where it is not, do not resort to harshness Reserve and reticence are adequate measures Avoid the formation of factions and cliques and correct your errors in relationships as soon as you become aware of them. In this way, you can accomplish magnificent deeds now. Yeah, no, it's kind of interesting because I'm like, I was wondering, like, you know,
20:24 talking about Pirkei and F Foundation, am I making a faction or a clique? Am I hiding things? No, man, no, it's a lot of effort to put all this stuff out and your support, your joining, I think we are doing it through kindness, humility, correctness, equanimity, and openness. I'm really open about what we're doing, even though some stuff is behind a little bit where you got to be a member to get there, right? But then here, Pierre K&F Foundation, also all those members are part of the Pierre K&F Foundation making this happen. And here we are, openness,
20:58 Right. I'm always like, I'm, I'm closing some things to try and get this membership so we can get more, you know, friendship with others and getting more fellowship and getting more things. So I sort of do have to put a little carrot out there and make it, but I don't think that's, you know, you have to earn certain things to get into certain places. You have to be, you know, you have to really want it. This is free. This is awesome. This is out there. Right. And natural farming is free and open. Right. So we're building fellowship around
21:27 something that has greatness for it. And I don't think I'm resorting to harshness at all. It's just, it's more, it's more appealing to like, you know, if you want more, there's more out there. But if you don't want more, there's not, and there's no harshness. I'm not like, you're, you're, you're, you know, insulting anyone who's not a member. No, we're all welcome. We're all free, right? It's all good. So anyway, I constantly always use this thing to refine myself. I hope this higher wisdom for you helps you in your endeavors for natural farming, because it's not
22:00 just me, it's other higher wisdom. It's Master Cho. It's, you know, it's the things coming through. It is bigger and higher and more tuned in than we ever could imagine. And I was looking the other day, you know, my YouTube feed gave me this thing that was talking about DNA as an EMF thing. And it's like, yeah, all of us are tuned in with radio frequency transmitter receivers and we're all there. Um, and, um, you know, we're all part of this. So having this fellowship with others, coming together, doing it the right way, sharing with each other, you know, I don't know. I think
22:38 we're on to good things. And yeah. So Kathleen says it helped her today. I hope so. You know, sounds like, uh, you know, going through a lot and hope, hope it, uh, it all comes in nice. So, um, yeah. And I don't think I have hidden intentions. My only, my, my hidden intention is to reveal the microbes to you. No, I mean, my other, my other hidden intention is to grow a organization that has enough members to like do stuff and get support. And so it's not really like a hidden intention. I hope I'm pretty open about that. Like the more membership we get, the more the foundation can do. The more
23:16 the foundation can do, the more people that can be reached by natural farming. And I guess maybe my hidden intention is to clean up the ocean. I don't know. I'm pretty open about that. You read my book, you know, you get into the book and it's like right here, you get into the book and it's Like page one, it shows the water cycle going, the tarot cleaning going into the ocean, right? Page one, it shows this, right? And then page two, it says, again, shows the same image. I can't believe I had the same image on both, but that's how powerful the image is.
23:52 It says, this book is dedicated to the ocean. So I ain't hiding anything, I don't think. My hidden intention is to heal the ocean, heal the soil, heal the people. uh well i don't i don't i mean the people that's that's their own deal man you know some people you can give them anything and they're like i'm gonna do crack instead i'm just gonna sit here and do fentanyl it's like well okay cool um you know so i'll just focus on the ocean because the ocean isn't intentionally trying to harm itself so i'll just heal the ocean and heal the soil
24:25 And then, you know, hopefully that will then make a bigger, better, nicer, healthier planet that people will think that, you know, they'll make better choices. But that's up to them. And that ain't up to me. So anyway, I am trying, you know, if you find that I have hidden intentions, post them in the comments below. I'm not even trying to like, you know, I feel like most YouTube people are trying to trick people into writing comments or liking and subscribing or sharing. I mean, maybe, I don't know. Oh, how the microbes have been revealed. Yep. So maybe that is all of
25:02 our hidden intentions is the microbes. So anyway, here I keep going on that. Jadam, evidence of what is seen and evidence of what is not seen. Yes. Yes. So I think we all here have hidden intentions. And it's just because the microbes are so small, we intend to make better soil. And so we all have a hidden intention, which is like to make better soil. You just can't see it, man. I mean, you can see their effects, right? You can see the plants growing better. You can see the ocean, the water getting cleaner. You can see the nutritional
25:40 benefit going up. You can see your happiness and health improving, hopefully. You can see, um what else i don't know all these things that we can see but our hidden intention is to make the microbes and the soil better make our plants healthier and then this happens so um uh get a frost i mean should i oh so we do got a question thanks stone mazin cool um otherwise i'm just i'm just jawing jabbing no i'm trying to i'm trying to build community i'm trying to make this good. So I show up every Sunday to make this happen. Except for Easter.
26:23 I wasn't here Easter. I know. So got a frost coming up next week. Should I spray straight OHN diluted 1 to 1,000 on my fruit trees in the evening? Yes. Yes. OHN sprayed especially just by itself before a frost can really help with that. Is that in the literature here? Let's see, let's go, let's pull up Master Cho's book here and just see when he talks about what he says, OHN, I call it KNF medicine because it's, um, it has all these biostimulating effects. But the other thing to know is that, um, you know, when they, like they used to send rescue dogs out with like
27:12 schnapps or like gin or what, what was it? Uh, some sort of alcohol because the alcohol can help you deal with hypothermia, right? Um, so let's just, let's just go, we'll dive in here and see if it's in the literature itself. I'll zoom this in and see. I think this is how to make it. Sterilize and keep. Does he talk about it? How to make it? Okay, it's probably not going to be in the how to make it. How to keep it, how to dilute it, how to use. No, it is not talked about in the literature as far as I can tell.
28:00 Yeah, no. Sorry, this scrolls so slowly. No. No. Okay, it does not talk about this in the literature, but I'm sure, I'm 100% certain that Master Cho talked about it in some of the videos. So if you click on that thing below, exploit channel, go through, you'll see, um, uh, I know I'm a thousand percent certain he's talked about it. So maybe I could reference my notes, find out where it was. Um, but, um, yeah, so diluting it 1000 to one for the frost, spraying it out there, you know, the, the, the alcohol helps with, um, that, that hypothermia, the, um, frost
28:45 damage, those types of things, because what it does is it, the alcohol first off is warm warming, uh, just your body heats up. I don't know if you, you know, you know, um, some people will get like red in the face. It's like, they're heating up their blood. There's more blood flowing through their vessels, more, more things are able to enter their cells. Um, and then the cinnamon, uh, um, cinnamon is definitely super heating. Um, and I think the garlic too, you know, if you just pop a garlic clove and eat it, it heats you up. And I'm sure the other herbs do as well. So, um,
29:16 so all those things, you know, uh, so if you gotta, if you think there's a frost coming, you got a prediction of frost, uh, just lightly spray again, 25 gallons per acre, or, uh, you know, whatever that is, we can ask chat GPT to do the calculation for us. What it would be per, um, a hundred square feet. Um, in fact, why don't we, what, I don't want to do too much of this, but let's see. Can we get chat here? Chat. And let's just, because I mean, I could do the math, but I'm, why not when you have something to do this? And oh, no, wait, let's just ask chat here. How many,
30:01 how much solution should I use in 100 square feet if I'm supposed to spray 25 gallon acre. And so the answer is this formula right here. It's going to write us a little Python script for us. And it's going to be 0.057 gallons in 100 square feet. this translates to 217 milliliters per 100 square feet since one gallon equals that
30:54 yeah so if you were to convert this down to 100 square feet for your garden type of thing if you're in that that's a 10 by 10 square right um or you know a 20 by 5 square or rectangle, I guess. And you would use this. So it wrote this little Python script. So if you want to, if you're into Python and you have a terminal and you want to run this, you can just do these things and change these constants right here. It's cool that ChatGPT just like writes out the code and it figures things out with code. And it's like, I'm smart enough
31:36 to do that. Whereas I'm just like, uh, I don't know these constants here of square feet per acre. I just, I don't know the constants, but hopefully this is helpful if you were in a garden situation or if you're on an acre size, you know, then 25 gallons per acre, but it is, um, you know, 2.2 liters per acre or per a hundred square feet. We'll just, you know, keep that there. So I've got the chat. Um, sup Cheryl. Hey, Hey, Cheryl, you missed the meeting the other day. I mean, I know you're probably busy doing stuff. Cause I know, I know it's not convenient for
32:14 everyone. Um, but, um, Hey, we had Spencer and Earl on the show and they, they, uh, so check it out, uh, monthly members meeting. And also I've been working on the membership website. So it even looks fancy. If you go to monthly membership meetings, you'll see it's like nice and fancy and I've been putting templates in to make it easier for our community liaison. So anyway, good to see you, Cheryl. Thanks for the super chat. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, and somebody else super chatted. I think Bird super chatted too. Thank
32:43 you. Thank you. It's always, oh, it's always nice, you know, get, uh, get the reciprocal action of I give, we get, it's fun. Um, oh, a silent retreat. Vipassana, yo. Yeah. Um, Cool. That was wonderful. Yeah. It's always good to refresh your brain by not saying anything. Reticence. How do we make friends with each other? STFU, man. Silent retreat. Yeah. I got to do one of those. I'm just, I just spent so much time on the farm and I'm like quiet. I'm just like, you know, down at the river for hours, not talking to anybody,
33:24 just doing my thing. Um, are the 12 free videos teaching to jam still posted on YouTube? I have no idea. I don't know what's on YouTube. I ain't no guru. Um, no, there's all kinds of stuff on YouTube. I think you would have to search that, find that, see that. Um, if you're asking about my channel, I don't know. I've had, I've had a couple run-ins with, um, Young Song about asking me about copyright type stuff and to take certain things down. So I posted things and then he's requesting me to take them down. And I've been like, sorry, bro, took them down, you know. Um,
34:03 but, uh, also, you know, there's all kinds of stuff on my channel and, uh, good stuff, like live stuff, you know, there's a whole, I mean, shoot, since you asked that, let's just go, um, uh, let's see, um, let's go to YouTube here and, um, go to my channel and let's just see, is, is there that stuff there? Um, let's see, slide this over right there, make that like that. Um, you know, first off the office hours has all that stuff. We have these things, but, um, but coming down coming down complete natural farming courses um oh yeah here cheap cheap
34:47 knf young song cho 2016 what's in this playlist let's look at that so this is him talking this is the first time we brought um young song to um to helo uh when was this back eight years ago first time young song came to helo did a huge i rented a whole gym for them to come because I thought, you know, when we had about 250 people there, 300 people, something like that, it was incredible. So I'll make this theater mode. But yeah, so there's this one. And then if I put it, there's then this one here, right? So another one, hour 43 of Jadam.
35:27 Then there's them making cheap KNF sulfur. This was the hands-on practical at the university farm. and this this got crazy i i think i edited it out but this thing ended up bubbling over because the powder was so fine and it's super dangerous to do um so be exercise extreme caution if you're making sulfur but um but yeah there's this one too so this is the hands-on practical stuff you can see people you know look at all that sulfur and uh we learned a lot doing this all these folks here since it's eight years ago i can talk about this statute of limitations are gone but a lot of
36:02 these people, man, you don't want to get that close pouring these gnarly big buckets in. A lot of these people breathed in the fumes from this and later told me they had like some, uh, you know, like not so good things happen to them, but the sulfur, it exploded and we cleaned it up. So I don't even think the university knew and statute of limitations, but hopefully they'll invite us back to use that facility again if we need to, but, uh, that was gnarly, uh, having it bubble over. um yeah it's like a huge problem so be super careful doing these things super super careful
36:36 this sulfur is gnarly but that's all there and then then there's uh young song cho here i guess in korean talking to you you know um about his jms or yeah the microbe what i call super cheap microbes then he's talking to you about sulfur how to make the wetting agent here and the sulfur then how to make the herb solution here you know this is this is him making herb solution right in his office man yeah wild man what a wild man he just he just boils things inside an apartment complex or a huge building what a wild man and then there's
37:20 this one here of Ray talking about just you know his hope for curing things so yeah so there's this Jadam playlist here. Madadj, Jadam. Young Song's open source thing. You know, here. So right there on my channel, you got that. Young Song Cho 2016. Cheap K&F it is, because it is K&F, but it's just a cheap version of it. And, you know, even though it says it's scientific, we'll see. I mean, sure, there's science behind it. It's not necessarily good science. But trust the science. So, yeah, so are there those 12 videos?
38:01 I don't know if there's 12 of them, but those are enough that you need to get into it. And then what else on the channel? Let's go back here. What else on the channel? Yeah, we went demo farms in Hawaii. So, Young Sang, part of this, I don't know. But in the basic Korean natural farming courses, is there a Jadam one? I don't think so. But there is a tour of when we went to Korea. I think this one. This one has 24 videos. Oh, that's a lot of noise. No, this isn't that one. I don't know. I haven't dealt with my YouTube for a long time.
38:50 I've been just doing these lives. I've been basically abandoning my channel. you'll notice I haven't posted any new videos for quite some time why go away oh is this full mini player but there is a bunch of resources here a bunch of things bunch of things so oh maybe this one this one was with Youngsung oh there's Ray but I don't know anyway there's a bunch there's a bunch if you haven't watched all these things you know watch all this and then let me know when you're done watching every single video because then I can go add more to it maybe
39:26 you know because then I'll have more advertising money to me and then I'll have the funds to do this because it ain't free bro I mean even that seems free it ain't free it takes a lot of time to make a YouTube channel but here you know support Akana Foundation be Akana Foundation me here. So, um, there were 12 lectures done by older Korean men who said his father was the creator. Um, maybe you're thinking about Master Cho. I mean, there's tons of videos on my channel of Master Cho. So Master Cho is the father of Young Sang Cho. Um, and if you think Jadam was
40:10 the creator, man, you got a lot to learn because it's a, it's a bastardization of the father's thing. I'll just say that. It's a, it's a, it's a way to make it cheap for people. So if you think that a creator of Jadam is like where it's at, it's, it's like, no, that's, it's, it's, ah, man. Anyway, I don't, I want to create fellowship. I'll just use reserve and reticence on this and just say that if you think Jadam is good, you should find the source, the OG of Master Cho. And there's tons by Master Cho. You know, like this one here, are there 12 of these? I think there's 12 of these no there's
40:44 there's 20 of these so if you think if you're into Jadam and you haven't watched this one you're going to get your mind blown just blown like that emoji where the head's exploding so watch these these are where it's at the other one is just if you found KNF through Jadam good power to you but now you're finding what's real So I'm just saying, just saying there's a, you know, you'll find what's real, real. I've watched your six part certification series now for a third time. Yes, that should be good. I learn more each time and it's so simple, so easy. I wouldn't go to cheap.
41:28 Master Chose, my choice. That's right. I mean, I would say go cheap if you can't afford it, but then go and learn Master Chose stuff. So we are, however, 2024, you know, we are covering Madag here, Jadam, going the cheap route just because I felt like, you know, it needed some touching on. Oh, I knew what I was going to say the other day too, before I get in. So before let's, let's switch, you know, cause we all know Master Chose where it's at. There's so many resources in the YouTube channel. Just go there and just watch stuff and just watch it.
42:00 And if you, once you've exhausted my entire channel of watching the resources that I put out there, you can watch every single thing. then let me know and maybe I can bring more content to it, but there's so much there, you know, so much, um, so much, just watch, just go back to the OG, go to master chill, watch his things. Um, it's like, even I can go back and watch it and be like, Oh, there's more, there's more. It's like, this is the whole cool thing about KNF is cause it's so tiny. There's more each time you see more detail. But, um, so one thing I was going to share, um, and I remembered
42:37 because I actually had to do some, uh, JDAM consulting type of stuff this past week. And I went down to, uh, my neighbor's place, um, where they were doing some really good KNF. Um, and then my brethren that was doing it moved. Um, and so this is what has happened. Now let me turn this sideways and then I probably should have uploaded these pictures, but, um, but this is what has happened. So this is a kava leaf and this was fresh picked from the field that day. I just put it, I came home and I put it on a white piece of paper and that is my loop there,
43:16 um, that I got from the young song, uh, kit, right? So that's the leaf of what's happened. And this is like looking at it, you know, the other view of looking at it. This is that leaf. Like, look how unhealthy that is. It has all this white disease. And I was looking at that and I put it into the loop because I wasn't sure when I was down there of whether it was, uh, um, whether it was a bug on the leaf or it was, uh, um, or it was, oh no, I guess that was the next day. Okay. Excuse me. Excuse me. I'm misrepresenting.
44:01 This was the day. This was the day I picked it. Okay. So the next day I was, I took a picture of like what happened overnight, but this was the day I went down there. Okay. So look at this leaf. it has all this um shot what they call a shot shotgun disease powdery stuff then it has these other things and so i looked at it um so in this this is the top side so that was the bottom side of the leaf this is the top side of the leaf so that looks just terrible and this is happening all over not on the very new growth but all the older growth the ones that are like developing
44:37 and getting it. And so what I wanted to do was to put this white stuff under the loop because I wasn't sure if this was a bug. He was saying it was white fly and I didn't believe him. So I wanted to put this through the loop. So I'm looking through the loop at 10 times to look at that. And to me, it looks like powdery. It's a fungus, right? The powdery mildew type of thing. And this was, you know, powdery mildew. So I have a loop as part of the Jadam kit, looking at it and you can really zoom in to see what you're looking at. Is it a bug? Is it a little
45:10 leaf sucker? Is it a white fly? And that's just looking at the disease close up. So what they wanted from me is sulfur, but what I ultimately think they need to do is to put more microbes down there because they're having these types of problems. And so I think they really need to do some more Korean natural farming stuff, get that things down there and, um, and to learn, you know, to really address their health problems. They're, they're running into nutritional problems because they're monocropping. So they need to do more, uh, that, and then they wouldn't have the
45:45 disease. However, they do have the disease and they need to, uh, you know, they're pretty far down. So if they did hit it with sulfur and then they came back with the nutrients and all the microbes and they did that way, it's probably going to be a benefit to them, especially since their commercial operation and their, um, you know, money's on the line. So, uh, I'm right now I'm trying to import sodium hydroxide and it's like costs hundreds of dollars because it's a toxic substance to get here. It's hard to ship dangerous things to Hawaii. Um, so anyway,
46:17 but I'm probably going to make a little bit of sulfur for them and then, um, they need to truly address their nutritional issues. And one thing is that they're doing a backpack spray over like five acres. And one of the ways to get disease like that is to do a backpack spray over five acres. You just, just get a sprayer and spray. Like, I don't know why they don't invest in the right spraying equipment. So, um, yeah, I would, I would spend money on the correct spraying equipment and get out there to spray it to make it make it a quick easy like one hour job once a
46:53 week and they would have so much robust health that this stuff wouldn't even affect them but because they're carrying it on their back and it takes forever to get out there it's like yeah you're kind of gonna fail each time i'm i'm pretty sure pretty sure i mean sure you can do it um but it takes him like four hours or five hours to go spray the entire orchard it's like why why why go get the right equipment, make it an hour job, be done with it. Don't carry water. Um, just shoot it off a golf cart or a mower and just drive to where you need to be or the back of your truck
47:26 and just drive and just spray the correct dosage out there. Make it easy. So anyway, getting into JADAM, MADADJ, that's my practical thing of doing that. Um, getting the, um, you know, getting that, uh, like sometimes you need it, call in, you know? So I went down there to do a little bit consulting. I need to go take a drone shot for them. But we were covering, we're covering the back here. We were getting into the recipes in the back of the book. So covering these diseases,
48:12 And I think, and the solutions for them. So we got into, we did rice bacchanal disease. We did rice water weevils. We did pest control solution for rice. And I think this is the solution they're going to need, is this one right here, number four. And this is downy or powdery mildew, this one here. So that again, last week we covered it, but it was basically soap and sulfur. her. And, um, you know, and then every time he talks about it, he's like, you can add all these other things. And it's like, yeah, you can. Um, but it looks like, you know, this black spot on
48:52 tangerine, I don't know, it's hard for me to put this up here, but this one here, this black spot on tangerine, it looks like that's what they're suffering from. So it's a fungal disease that's, that's hitting their kava plants and, uh, and then also the powdery mildew. So they're having huge fungus issues. So the sulfur and soap will knock it back, but then they need to come in with the goods to make sure that they're putting good microbes back because you don't want to just clear out the bad and then leave it. You want to then put back in the good.
49:29 So today we're going to get into number five here, which is canker, black spot, pear rust, brown blotch disease. So this looks like this is also applicable for what we're talking about today. Let me put this like that so I can see what I'm doing. Okay, yeah. So we're going to cover this. This also is applicable to what they're doing. So this one here is the Jadam wetting agent 5 liters and the Jadam sulfur at 1.5 liters mixed into 500 liters of water. So those are those prepared solutions
50:14 mixed into 500 liters of water. So that looks like the soap is a 1 to 100 ratio and then the sulfur is much lighter than that. Yeah. So, and that's not an even division so I'm going to have to carry things. I can't do that in my head right now. I'm not a computer. So it says apply every seven days or so. If disease spreads fast, apply every two to three days. If pepper canker is serious, increase the soap to 10 liters. Meaning that's, oh my gosh. So instead of five liters, 10 liters, you're going to double the amount of soap and increase the sulfur to two
51:01 liters. Meaning you just not double that, but add more sulfur in and then apply every two days. So if you really got a disease like a canker, which here's the canker photo. It's that pepper there that just looks like, oh, just it's rotting. This is what Chris Anthony was talking about, but he conquered it by just using the maintenance solution, where his peppers just melt overnight in these black and brown spots and all these things. So for pear rust, it is effective to apply around 11 a.m. on a clear day. So if you're trying to deal with the black spots,
51:45 these guys probably need to spray midday for their thing on the kava. It says number five is stronger than number four. So the recipe we're talking about today is stronger than the recipe we talked about last week, which was here, even though he made modifications to this one. I don't know. Anyway, this one's stronger. You can add herbal solution to add insect control. In this case, increase the soap to above five liters. Do not reapply pesticide with sulfur to already applied areas in one-time application. So I mean, I think he's saying don't spray a few,
52:25 like just mix it all into once and spray it one time. Do not reuse leftover pesticides. So if you overmix too much of this, don't use too much. So let's just, while I can pull it up over here, let's look up canker. and let's just see what the most disreputable source wikipedia has for us and this is um canker so a plant canker is a small area of dead tissue which grows slowly often over years um but are ultimately lethal so um this caught their cause uh includes a wide range of organisms such as fungi, bacteria, microplasmas, and viruses. So if you're a canker,
53:16 most likely the canker growing on plants that are quicker to grow are from fungus and bacterias, which is why the sulfur is going to be super effective against like kind of parasitic fungi and fungiles, I guess. So if you got fungies and fungiles coming after you, use sulfur. And then also damage, right? If you break the bark and you break into the layer, then these things can infect inside. And it can cause stress. Stress causes inflammation. Inflammation causes disease. And so we're using unsterilized. It says, although fungicides and bactericides can treat some cankers,
54:00 often the only available treatment is to destroy the infected plant to contain the disease. terrible advice here, terrible advice, because you can actually put IMOs on there and heal it up and actually deal with the thing. If a fungicide or a bacteriocide isn't working, you need to increase the microbiome and then put kind of a scab healing treatment on there. And we've talked about that in past episodes. So can of support, search for healing, you know, or bark or something, sunburn and you can learn how to do that if someone tells you to destroy your plant how the
54:40 hell did that fix your plant and it says oh because you're going to contain the disease we all know and earl and yarrow talked or earl and spencer talked about this where they said look the disease doesn't spread we had one plant completely diseased and the rest were healthy and it didn't spread so if you have a good microbiome disease does not spread the same way so they'll tell you destroy it. It's like, that's such bad misguided advice coming here. Um, but that's, that's conventional wisdom is going to infection, destroy it. Right. Imagine you got sick and we just killed
55:11 you. It's like, ah, yeah, no, there's probably better solutions out there. Um, so tree cankers, we wanted to go to pepper canker. Is there one? There's not one in here. Um, there's Southwest canker. Watch out for that one. If you're in the Southwest, gotta watch out for this canker. I don't know. What else? There's a bunch of cankers here. Ash, apple canker. So anyway, these diseases, this is looking at it on what makes a burl. So anyway, that's the canker. And then what else was there?
55:57 Brown blotch disease. Let's see what Wikipedia says about brown blotch disease. Let's go just brown blotch disease. Brown blotch disease. It has on this too. So no picture. What? No picture. It's a bacterial infection that nearly affects every species of mushroom. So even the brown blotch is being caused by a bacteria, I guess. So infection can also spread, airborne disease, prevention. What do they say for prevention? Let's see.
56:42 Okay. Various disinfectants and antibiotics have been used. Chlorinated compounds such as sodium hypochlorate, which is like Clorox. moist conditions. The solution to Brown-Botch disease is thought to be biological. So they haven't used sulfur so far. Yeah, so they're using, what is it? Neutralized telacin. Antagonistic bacterium. Oh yeah, so putting IMO will prevent it, right? That's what they're saying. They don't know they're saying it, but they're saying it. um so oh so then they're gonna gmo things to make a more resistant bad idea um
57:32 exact gene that enables the resistance has not been yet been identified it's the microbiome yo i just hint hint there's microbes inside the mic inside the cells you just got to get the microbiome instead of thinking you're going to do a fancy tech. Hint, hint. One final biological solution is to introduce a strain P. telassi produced as a competitor. Yes. So you'll probably get this P. telassi, whatever this, I don't know. You can read that if you want, as a competitor. So put the IMOs on there is what they're trying to say, but this method hasn't been tested. Well,
58:12 we've tested it. It works. So again, they're saying put IMOs out there and then you won't even get this disease, right? They just don't know they're saying that. Um, research indicates incubation of harvested mushrooms at low temperature for four days inhibited the browning symptom, but this method has not been tested at a large scale. So, so they're basically saying IMOs work here. Um, and that, um, also sulfur would work and then, um, but they're going to try and GMO it because they want to spend money, I guess. So anyway, you know, science is proving that we're right.
58:46 If you can extrapolate these things out. And so again, soap sulfur will probably do this if you need to increase it. It says it works for cankers on peppers, pear rust, black spot on pears, leaf rice blight, rice leaf, right? Black spot on plums, mildery, powdery mildew on rose, brown blotch, white rot on mulberries brown blotch on choke berries so all these things and more work so it's sulfur soap and then again good microbes and i bet you i can solve that problem down at my at my neighbor's place stay tuned to see if i actually solve that problem if sulfur is
59:29 going to work if they're going to pay for the shipping to get it out here or if i can get them on a better microbial spraying plan i hope they you know if they watch this hopefully i'm not talking too much crap you know fellowship with others maybe reticence is better um but no i always think that you need to be able to spray easily and get these things out there and focus on your plant health that's number one to do but you're right there you got a medag solution uh that was recipe number five uh we will be going over this more when next time we're going
1:00:01 to get into aphids and mites which i'm not sure we covered it already but we'll cover it again And I think we did cover it, actually, to be honest. Pretty sure we talked about this because somebody asked about this. But we'll be going over aphids and mites again because why not? I'm just going to go sequentially through these, even though I think I covered some of them already. But yeah, we'll go through these because learning how to kill things is, you know, if you don't know how to be nice, then kill it. That's clearly the mindset man's had for a long time.
1:00:33 I think it's better just to be nice in the first place. Um, raise things right. Use good microbes, make a good, uh, environment around, and then you don't have to go and kill just saying who knows. Um, but, um, so Mitchell's making some IMO out there. We got some solutions. Janam, look at the channel, watch more videos, do more things, be a good person. Um, what is this? How, how can KNF or Janam help with coffee leaf rust? two of the three og coffee farmers in kona gave up their organic certification claiming they are
1:01:10 losing the battle organically thank you um talk to dan han down there he's on middle ka road i think i just trained him specifically to go do that to be the kona agent to go do this um and you can also talk to cole our bandera and he can get you in touch with dan or talk to jason from Mele Aina Farms. Mele Mahina Farms? I don't know. Also down in that region. Talked to all three of those guys. They know what's happening. I was going to work on a project with them, but instead I decided to train Dan and then that's what's working. So the sulfur works to knock coffee leaf rust back,
1:01:50 but then you've got to come in with the IMOs and you've got to spray these things and you've got to go after it on like a two to three day basis for like a week or two until you knock it back and then you got to put in good IMOs and coffee leaf rust should be a cinch. The fact that people are giving up their organic certification, sorry, bro, but you should have learned KNF. Um, you know, and if you learn these things and you learn them well, and you're able to apply it and able to get it out there and not break your ankles, but have like a drone sprayer and or spray some way you
1:02:20 can get these things out there. Coffee leaf rust is minor. It's a minor problem. So I'm sorry, people are losing their business, I would go over there and do it, but I'm too busy. I have, I run my own farm. I don't, you know, if you're going to pay me like a million bucks, I'll go fix your thing. Cause I, for that, I could do a lot, right? It would be worth my time and energy and money. And I just, you know, just rent a house in Kona and live there and just fix everything. But I live over here. So I trained Dan over there to be your man. Dan's the man,
1:02:46 get in touch with him. He will help you out. He knows exactly what he's doing. He can solve coffee leave for us. No problem. I make a whole bunch of claims in these, these superfluous things but i tell you coffee leaf rust is minor it's so easy to to do but in in a little bit of sulfur and then going in with good microbes and building a robust immune system and putting the health and nutrition back into these plants you can also knock back the berry borer and all these problems all these problems could be solved right but i gotta start here in my own
1:03:17 neighborhood i gotta go across the street and educate people just across the street that don't know it's like how do you not know knf it's gonna solve all these problems they're very minor here i am super excited okay anyway i get that excited when people talk to me about problems because i'm like yeah it's so easy it's so easy so easy so easy just gotta follow these recipes and do these things and then have the right spraying equipment to get out there to do it effectively and it's not like you have to spray all the time every time you just gotta get rid of your you gotta do it
1:03:46 enough to get rid of your problem then you can take it easy but if you spray and then you don't You can't half but the solutions. You got to go at it with a plan and equipment and the right solutions. And you got to go get them under control and then build the health and immune system and get your plants so they're so darn healthy that disease won't affect them. Big Wes, what's up? Glad you caught the very end. Alfalfa meal is done. Yes. Making ferments. didn't require too much sugar to super saturate at all it tastes amazing sweet
1:04:23 the alfalfa flavor great i'm glad you looked up the super saturation you know knf and put it on pancakes and that sounds good right now i could go for some pancakes um so next week tune in we'll be going over aphids mites all these things going through and yeah these things are simple and easy yeah sprayer and hose yeah okay cool yeah you guys awesome hit that thumbs up button hit the thumbs down button if you want it's up to you you know I just you know whatever I'm not that attached to my youtube channel I'm attached to you though
1:05:03 so thanks for being here thanks for sharing thanks for having fellowship with others thanks for being out in the open. Don't make it reticent. Well, I mean, I guess make it reticent. Don't share this with others. No, I don't know. I don't know. I think I have the solutions for everything, but here I am super arrogant to being like, I can solve every problem. I probably can. I just don't have enough time and energy and thing myself. But if you have a million dollars and you want me to fix your problems, let me know as I will fly to your place and get the right
1:05:34 equipment for that budget and get you so your stuff is so amazing. Um, so yeah, renting Josh is my favorite. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for tuning in. Love you guys. I'm going to catch you next week. Uh, be back Sunday again. I reckon, yeah, you know, what other plan do I have than being here with my family, my fellowship with others, you know, you guys, well, I have a, I have another family too, but, but yeah, thank you. Love you. Enjoyed. Um, I'm going to put this to this, wear that one and then uh we'll do a bird well we'll slide out of here today okay so see you
1:06:07 next week uh aloha enjoy uh long live natural farmer love telling you thanks for your time too see ya bye