Fix the Soil First: Soil → Crop → Animal → Human

0:00 Hello? And we have another headset here if he needs.

0:55 Everyone, it's good to meet you all again. I'm so happy to see you again. There are people from Hong Kong. I met them first time. Some have come from Hong Kong... Because of the people I've met two or three times, it feels like coming to my hometown and meeting my brothers and sisters. I've come here about two or three times now. It's like, huh? You also want that kind? Or? It's okay, right? You guys can hear me, yeah?

여러분 또 다시 만나게 되어서 반갑습니다. 홍콩에서 온… 두 번 세 번 만나 본 분들 때문에, 내 고향에 와서 형제자매들을 만나는 것 같습니다. 지금 이곳에 2-3번 정도 왔습니다.

1:40 Yeah, so it's like, I feel like I came home. My hometown, he said. Aloha! Aloha! When you first come, it tastes good, but if you eat the same thing several times over, it can stop tasting good. So today, though it keeps some of the old flavor, I'll go toward giving you a new taste. Like if you have the same food all the time, it doesn't taste so good. So this time, this seminar, I'm gonna give you a different taste of the seminar.

이렇게 여러분들이 처음에 방금 올 때는 맛이 있지만 몇 번 계속 똑같은 것을 먹게 되면 맛이 없을 수가 있거든요. 그래서 오늘은 옛 맛이 배어 있는 것이지만 새로운 맛을 보이는 쪽으로 하겠습니다.

2:33 Those of you who attended all of it before, take it as a review; we'll go over it once more. So if you took these classes before, this will be, right now, this will be like a review. If someone asked you what nature is, how would you answer? What is nature? Originally created. 'Originally conceived'... that God conceived it, made it. Creation. (relaying the room's answer to Cho)

그 모든 것에 참석하셨던 분들은 복습하시는 걸로 다시 한번 하겠습니다. 자연이 뭐냐고 물으신다면 뭐라고 대답하실지요? 처음에 구상한… 하나님이 구상했다고, 만들었다고. 창조.

3:25 If you put it that way... Then if I asked you who I am, what would you say? Okay, so if I ask you, who am I? How would you answer? They say 'energy'. 'Gi' [vital force]. (relaying the room's answer to Cho) That's what you were taught, right? Right? If you're asked what nature is: you have to know who you are before you can know what nature is. If you know yourself, what you are, then you know what nature is.

그렇게 얘기를 하면은 만약에 여러분이 내가 누구냐고 묻는다면 뭐라고 하실래요? 에너지라고. 기운이라고. 그렇게 배웠지요. 맞지? 자연이 뭐냐고 물으신다면은, 내가 누구냐는 걸 알아야 자연이 무엇이냐는 걸 알 수가 있거든요.

4:15 If you don't even know who you are and act like you know what nature is, that's a lie. You don't know what is yourself and then you act like you know nature. You are like a phony. [unclear] You were born someplace else and then you grew up until how you are, how you turned out to be. Right? Why? How were you born, and how is it you've lived until now?

내가 누군지도 모르면서 자연을 아는 척하면 그건 거짓말이지요. 왜? 어떻게 태어나가지고 어떻게 해서 지금까지 살고 있는거지요?

5:03 So you were born and somehow you are living until now. If you hadn't been born of your parents, you wouldn't be here now. If you didn't have parents and weren't born, you wouldn't be here. And those parents were born because they had parents too, weren't they? But your parents, their parents, that's why you're born, through them. So you have to see it this way: there is a living [life] me, and a physical me. So if you look at it, there's a physical you and there's a spirit of you.

여러분들이 부모로부터 태어나지 않으면 지금 여러분들은 없죠. 그런데 그 부모는 또 부모가 계셔서 태어났지 않습니까? 생명적인 내가 있고 육체적인 내가 있다고 봐야 되죠.

5:59 Understood? (literally 'Have you got it?') I understand. Understood? Understand. Understood! (the room practises the Korean reply 'arasseumnida', some getting it wrong, to laughter) Of all the things we call agriculture, what do you think is the most important agriculture? What is most important in ag business? Feeding people...

알았습니까? 알았습니까? 알았습니다! … 알았습니다! 이 농업이라고 하는 것 중에 제일 중요한 농업은 뭐라고 생각하십니까?

6:51 [...] the biggest one — big. Big. [unclear; Cho writes 大 = 人農業 on the board: the biggest farming is human farming] No, no... One more time? Yes, yes. What is the biggest business? Oh, the most biggest business is human business. Growing people? Growing people? Are you talking about growing people? When you raise people, that is just like a farming.

[…] 제일 큰 게 — 크다. 크다. […] 아니, 아니… 한 번 더? 네, 네.

7:39 That's what he said. It's not my word. So what do you think is the biggest inheritance parents pass on to their children? When parents give you most, what is most asset? What is the most big inheritance? What is the most big inheritance from your parents? Genetics? Life? Life? The spark of life?

그래서 부모가 자식에게 물려주는 가장 큰 유산이 무엇이라고 생각해요?

8:24 Wisdom? Take care of yourself. 'Taking good care of yourself.' (relaying the room's answer to Cho) Those of you who have had children and raised them [raise your hands?] Who has children? Who is the parents? Then do you know, what is your value to raise them? What is the value? Quality. Nurturing them. Loving them. Showing them love.

자신을 잘 보호하는 것. 자식을 낳아서 키우는 분 [손 들어 봐요?]

9:09 Respect. Socioeconomic status. What about wisdom? The most important is good health. Lose your health and you lose everything. If you lose good health, you lose everything. Then if a person wants to look after their health, what do they have to do to look after it? So if you want to keep your good health, how are you going to do it? You have to eat well. You have to eat healthy things. Eat healthy food and you become healthy.

건강을 잃으면 다 잃는 거지. 그럼 사람이 건강을 챙기려고 하면 어떻게 해야 건강을 챙길 수가 있어요? 먹는 걸 잘 먹어야지. 건강한 걸 먹어야지. 건강한 음식을 먹으면 건강해지는 거예요.

10:05 So to eat healthy things, healthy farm produce has to be made. So if you want to eat good healthy food, you need to find good healthy crops. So the most important thing for everyone's health is healthy food. So the most important thing is we have to produce healthy food that will keep you healthy. So the people who farm... Farming is the great foundation of all under heaven — that's what it means. 'Nongja cheonha-ji daebon': the farmer is the great root of the world. (written on the board as 農者天下之大本)

그래서 건강한 걸 먹기 위해서는 건강한 농산물이 만들어져야 되지. 그래서 모든 사람들의 건강에 가장 중요한 게 건강한 식품이에요. 그래서 농사짓는 사람들을… 농사짓는 것은 천하의 대본이다, 그 말이에요. 농자는 천하지대본이다.

10:58 I don't understand that word. Help? Farmers have the one job, the best one. The farming person are the best kind of... Best job, best profession? The farmer is the best profession. Why? Because what guarantees the health of my own child — the one I love most and hold most dear — is healthy food. That's what I mean.

왜 그러냐 하면, 가장 사랑하고 귀엽게 여기는 내 자식의 건강을 보장해 주는 것이 건강한 식품이기 때문에 그렇다는 말이지.

11:45 Oh my gosh! Please say that again, sir. Please say it again. In raising the child you love most, the one so dear to you, isn't the most important thing what they eat? If you want your children to grow healthy and lovingly, to do that you need to give them healthy food. That's why the farmer is the great foundation of the world. That's why the farmer is the most important profession. Am I right?

다시 한번 얘기해 주세요, 원장님. 다시 한번 얘기해 주세요. 가장 사랑하고 귀엽고 그러한 자식을 기르는 것에 가장 중요한 게 먹는 것 아닙니까? 그래서 농자는 천하지대본이라.

12:31 Yes, you are the most professional worker in the world. What is the bonding? [unclear] Bonding is you producing the food. [unclear]

13:18 '...and you say you think about love? That's a lie.' (the first word is unclear: the Korean passes hear 신/신앙 'faith'; the interpreter's final English and B's next passage point to 식량, food) [The interpreter checks the word with Cho:] '...thinking of [it] and thinking of health...' — 'If you talk about love without knowing [food], that's a lie.' Oh, ok. So, you need to think about your food, how to raise. If you don't think about the food and raise the food, that is a lie. Do you understand what he is saying? Now, food — say corn, tomatoes, papaya, mangoes — if I could make them myself,

[식량?]… 사랑을 생각하고 있다며? 거짓말이야. …을 생각하면서 건강을 생각했는데… [식량?]을 모르고 사랑을 얘기하면 거짓말이라고. 그런데 식량을, 예를 들어서 옥수수를, 토마토를, 파파야를, 망고를 내가 직접 만들 수 있다 그러면은

13:59 I wouldn't be farming mangoes, would I? Can you make those? If I could make it myself, would I farm? — that's the question. If you can create those fruits, do you farm or not? Nature does it. They say nature does it. That's something you heard somewhere that you're repeating now. [If,] magically, I

망고 농사 짓는 거 아니죠? 그걸 직접 내가 만들 수 있다 그러면은 농사 짓느냐고. 자연이 해 준대요. 그건 어디서 들은 얘기를 지금 하는 거지. [마술적으로?] 내가

14:44 could make a tomato properly — would I farm tomatoes or not? Oh, this is like a magic. If, magically, you can create the tomato or other fruits, would you farm or not? You wouldn't, would you? You wouldn't. I farm because I can't make it myself. That's why I farm. Because you cannot create it. If there was fruit like a vegetable leaf... that's why you are farming. [unclear] So you depend on the crops. So you lean on the crops. So you farm tomatoes, you farm napa cabbage, you farm cabbage,

토마토를 제대로 만들 수가 있다면, 토마토 농사 짓겠어요, 안 짓겠어요? 안 하지? 안 하는데, 내가 농사를 짓는 거는 내가 만들 수 없기 때문에 농사를 짓는 거예요. 그래서 작물에게 의존하는 거예요. 그래서 여러분이 토마토 농사짓고 배추 농사짓고 양배추 농사짓고

15:32 you farm [corn]. Because I can't make them myself, I depend on the crops. ...create all those crops by yourself, that's why you're growing all these different crops. You are farming. Then when you farm, should you farm to suit the crop, or farm by your own judgment? So when you are farming, do you have to farm according to their body, the crop's body, or according to myself? But up to now — have you been farming to suit the crop, or farming to suit your own judgment?

[옥수수] 농사짓는 거야. 내가 직접 만들 수가 없기 때문에 작물에게 의존한 거지. 그렇다면 농사를 지을 때, 작물에게 맞추는 농사를 지어야 돼? 내 판단에 의해서 농사를 지어야 돼? 그런데 여러분들이 지금까지 작물에 맞춰서 농사를 짓고 있었는데, 판단에 맞춰서 농사를 짓는다고 했어요?

16:32 So in the past, did you try to farm according to the crops or according to your knowledge? Then is that smart? Or foolish? So are you a smart one or a stupid one? You are a fool. [unclear who] And now, university professors and researchers at the research institutes — they all argue from what they themselves know and say they're the smart ones, don't they? So all these scientists and the professors in the farm industry,

그러면 똑똑한 거요? 바보요? 그런데 지금 대학교 교수들이나 연구소에 연구원들 가면, 전부 다 지가 아는 [이론]에 맞춰서 [논단을] 하면서 지가 똑똑하다고 얘기하지 않나.

17:21 they think their knowledge is the best, that's the way to farm. Is that so, or not? They think that way or not? Then what are these doctors [PhDs]? Smart doctors? Smart-fool doctors? Yes, they think that way. So all these people are... When those smart-fool doctors do their research and spin their theories, the people who follow along and farm that way are smart-fool farmers.

그래요, 안 그래요? 그러면 박사들은 뭐예요? 똑똑 박사지? 똑똑 바보 박사지? 그런 똑똑 바보 박사들이 연구하고 [설을 풀어 가지고] 농사짓다 보면, 그런 걸 가지고 쫓아 농사짓는 사람은 똑똑 바보 농민이지.

18:14 So those people who follow those ttok-ttok [smart] PhDs, their knowledge, and those ones who follow those ttok-ttok, are they ttok-ttok or not? So do you think that way or do you agree with me? If so, then when you eat [those crops] and look after your health, you're getting your health from foolish farming. [partly unclear] So when you eat those crops, you eat it, and then you are eating those empty [?] kind of food.

그렇다고 하면은 여러분이 [그걸] 잡수고 건강을 챙기고, 바로 그 건강을 바보 농[사]로 챙긴다고 본 거지.

19:03 Is my health normal health, or fool's health? So my health is going to turn into an empty health or healthy health? It's going to be empty health. What do you think? What do you think? Fool — fool's health, I'm saying. So as scholarship develops and science develops, more and more... So all these scientific is developing more, higher level, but there's more patients appearing.

내 건강이 정상적인 건강이여, 바보 건강이여? 어떻게 생각해요? 바보, 바보 건강이란 말이에요. 그래서 학문이 발달되고 과학이 발달되고 나면 점점…

20:06 ...[back then] we could farm with human manure. When we farmed that way, there was no [disease] at all. [partly unclear] In Korea, a long time ago, we used human waste to farm. That time we hardly had sick people because we used human waste. There was no... skin disease. [unclear] But after we stopped using that manure and started using chemical fertilizer and pesticides, atopic dermatitis appeared, and a lot of skin disease. Since we don't use human waste as our food material,

…[인분을 갖고] 농사할 수 있었어요. 그 농사를 짓던 [때는] 아무 [병이] 없었어. 그런데 [인분] 거름을 쓰지 않고 화학비료하고 농약을 쓰고 난 다음부터 아토피도 생겼고, 피부병도 많이 생겼다고요.

20:55 we started using chemical fertilizers and other stuff. There are many cancer patients and many skin diseases appearing. But now a study from a very famous university in America is spreading all over the world, enormously, and here's what it is: say someone gets colon cancer. If you get colon cancer you have to have surgery, right? But instead of surgery, they take a healthy person's stool, dissolve it in water, make it into capsules, and when the patient swallows them, the colon cancer is cured without surgery. They say that medical technique has been developed.

그런데 지금 미국의 대학에서, 아주 유명한 대학에서 연구한 결과가 지금 전 세계적으로 아주 엄청나게 왕성하게 퍼져 나가고 있는데, 그게 뭐냐면은, 대장 예를 들어서 대장암이 걸렸다. 그럼 대장암이 걸리면 수술을 해야 되잖아. 근데 수술을 하지 않고 보면은 건강한 사람의 변을 갖다가 그걸 물에 녹여 가지고 그걸 캡슐로 만들어, 그걸 먹게 되면 대장암을 수술하지 않고 고치는 의술이 개발됐다고.

21:45 In America now, who has big intestine cancer — colon cancer — now they use healthy people's waste to cure that cancer. They developed something like that now in America. He wanted to help them with the good pronunciation. [unclear] Referring to a fecal transplant where they take the contents of the lower intestine from

22:35 a healthy individual and place it into the intestines of someone who is ill. Thank you. ...it means [people] get sick. And why do they get sick? Broadly, it's because the soil's capacity is lacking that they got sick. So that has to be fixed — the soil has to be fixed first. You eat all this stuff, the soil is really poor, you are growing food from there, you eat, so your health is deteriorating. So we need to make the soil healthier and then grow food.

감사합니다. …병이 걸린다는 말이야. 병이 걸리는 게 왜 걸리냐 하면, 크게 토양의 능력이 모자라 가지고 병이 걸렸단 말이에요. 그래서 [그걸] 고쳐야 돼, 토양을 먼저 고쳐야 돼.

23:28 Where do you have to fix first? So which part do you have to fix first, your body or your soil? Understood? — Understood. — What it is, is soil welfare. (Cho has written 토양 복지 on the board) Soil. So that is... soil preparation. Soil revive. Soil well-being. So soil welfare has to come about first... If you want your crops to be healthy, you need to do the soil health first.

어디를 먼저 고쳐야 돼요? 알았습니까? — 알았습니다. — 그게 뭐냐면, 토양 복지야. 그래서 토양 복지가 이루어져야…

24:18 You need to do soil well-being first. Crop welfare has to come about for animal welfare to come about. So if you want your animal healthy, you need to do plant health first. Animal welfare has to come about for human welfare to come about. So if you want your human health to recover, healthy, then you need to do livestock health first. Recover the livestock health first. They push human welfare alone and hardly think about [these three]. Nowadays, they only stress on people's health without looking at these three.

작물 복지가 이루어져야 동물 복지가 이루어져요. 동물 복지가 이루어져야 인간 복지가 이루어져서… 인간 복지만을 주장하고 [이 셋은] 별로 생각을 안 해.

25:08 So they think soil welfare, crop welfare and animal welfare can be achieved through chemistry. But they think all this soil and the crop and animal health, they can fix it with a chemical. That's how they think. And this chemistry works by analysis. (board: 化學 / 分析) So in chemical they need to analyze it. But there's a Korean saying: the field has to be good for you to bear healthy children.

그래서 이 토양 복지나 작물 복지나 동물 복지를 화학으로 이룰 수 있다고 생각합니다. 그래서 이 화학은 분석으로 이루어져. 그런데 한국 속담에, 밭이 좋아야 건강한 자녀들을 낳는다는 말입니다.