Same Rice Seed, 180–240 Grains vs 80–140: Crop Results
Master Cho Han-kyu, interpreted by Kim Chang, Founder of Korean Natural Farming (Janong)
Spoken in Korean. Translated to English and checked line by line.
Cho's results slides: conventional rice at harvest looks like orphanage children, natural-farming rice like children raised by both parents; the same seed gives 180–240 grains a panicle against 80–140, about 30% more yield at a 50% better price. Then the stories behind the photos (cooked rice, Amore cosmetics, a melon farmer caught using agrochemicals, Ehime lemon leaves at $1 each) and crops fed at each 'morning sickness': pepper, beans, broccoli, cauliflower, corn and strawberries. Lunch follows.
What they found
What does a crop fed on time, with fewer seeds and no chemicals, give back?
Cho comments from his chair and with the pointer while the interpreter runs his slide deck of paired photos: rice at harvest, two panicles from the same seed, cooked rice in jars, then pepper, beans, broccoli, a man holding a huge cauliflower, corn, Indonesian rice and strawberries. The board behind lists the four handouts. Strawberries are handed round at the end.
- Feeding at each 'morning sickness' (results slides) — Cho: chili pepper was fed 'before pregnancy'; the interpreter named water-soluble calcium phosphate, Structure (WCP), before flowering. Beans, broccoli and strawberries go through morning sickness five times and are fed at each. No dilutions spoken; the changeover column of the handout gives WCP 1:1,000 with OHN 1:1,000 and the rest.
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At harvest, conventional rice has dead, dry leaves, like orphanage children; natural-farming rice is raised by both parents
Harvest slide.
▶ 2:21:12 From the slides
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Same seed: natural farming 180–240 grains a panicle, conventional 80–140
Slide of two panicles. The interpreter first guessed 200–260, then gave Cho's 180–240.
▶ 2:25:01 From the slides
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Conventional rice was planted 8–12 a hill, natural farming 2–3
The same pair of plantings shown before the break; there Cho said 8 to 12 seeds a hill, here only 'planted 8 to 12'.
▶ 2:25:34 As spoken
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Greedy conventional farming gives less harvest and costs more; natural farming costs less, takes less work and yields more
Cho frames it with James 1:15: desire conceives sin, and sin brings death.
▶ 2:26:30 As spoken
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Natural farming yields about 30% more than conventional
The interpreter added a soybean trial at 'exactly 30%', not in Cho's captured Korean.
▶ 2:27:09 As spoken
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Natural-farming rice sells for 50% more than conventional
Interpreter: with lower costs, 'about 80%' more profit.
▶ 2:27:36 As spoken
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A Korean grape farmer kept about $30,000 income but profit rose from $3,000–5,000 to over $25,000 after switching
The interpreter's own story ('let's say $30,000'); no Korean original.
▶ 2:28:39 As spoken
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Cooked rice left out: conventional rotted, natural-farming rice grew microbes and mushrooms
Slide of cooked rice; the test was done by Amore, Korea's largest cosmetics company.
▶ 2:30:00 From the slides
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Amore makes cosmetics with natural-farming rice and contracted a natural-farming melon grower for the fragrance
▶ 2:31:26 As spoken
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Cho smelled agrochemicals on the contract melon farm and told Amore not to take the melons
The husband had used them, the wife hadn't; they couldn't sell the melons.
▶ 2:32:23 As spoken
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In Ehime, Japan's only chemical-free lemon grower sells leaves to Shiseido at $1 a leaf
Shiseido harvests the leaves itself and blocks other companies from buying.
▶ 2:34:53 As spoken
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Chili pepper fed before 'pregnancy' (before flowering) set heavy fruit
Interpreter: water-soluble calcium phosphate before flowering.
▶ 2:36:58 From the slides
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Beans go through morning sickness five times; each time fed, pods set
Cho: two bean seeds were planted; the interpreter said one.
▶ 2:37:55 From the slides
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Broccoli: 2–3 per plant normally in Korea or Japan; 12–15 when fed at each of its five morning sicknesses
The interpreter said 1–3 and 10–15.
▶ 2:38:33 As spoken
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Natural-farming cauliflower about 8 kg against about 500 g normal
Interpreter's figures on a slide of a man holding a huge cauliflower; a Tokyo hotel ordered it.
▶ 2:39:58 From the slides
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Corn: 2–3 ears a stalk normally, 13–15 with natural farming
The interpreter said 10–15.
▶ 2:41:24 As spoken
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In Indonesia, the natural-farming rice panicle grows much longer
Cho's Korean over this slide is unreadable.
▶ 2:42:29 From the slides
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Strawberries also go through morning sickness five times; Hawaiʻi's strawberries are 'leather'
Interpreter: one sells for $2.50 (per berry or per pack not clear).
▶ 2:42:56 As spoken
- These are slides and Cho's figures; no trial design, plot sizes or measurements were shown.
- The 30% yield and 50% price are Cho's general figures; the soybean trial and the grape farmer are the interpreter's own additions.
- The cauliflower weights and the $2.50 strawberry are the interpreter's figures only.
- The Ehime grower's name was heard as Izumi-san; Izumi Seiichi is our guess from Cho's Japanese book.
- Cho's Korean over the Indonesia rice slide is unreadable.
- Know your crop's flowering times and feed Structure (WCP) just before each one.
- Fewer seedlings per hill can carry more grains per panicle.
- Lower costs count as much as yield when you judge a method.
- Grow the good food yourself rather than paying hotel prices for it.
Next to Master Cho's teaching
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Agrees
Feed water-soluble calcium phosphate before flowering ('morning sickness') His posters say plants have morning sickness just before flower-bud formation and must be fed about a week before.
CGNF posters (Korean) (English translation), p. 3
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Broccoli 2–3 → 12–15 per plant In 2018 Cho gives the same numbers. The interpreter's 10–15 here is her rounding.
2018/Cho - advanced hawaii/cho advanced 2018 2-3 @ 1:52:05 (translated)
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Corn 2–3 → 13–15 ears per stalk His Papaikou talk the same week gives 2–3 conventional against 13–15 natural farming.
2017/Cho - Papaikou/IMG_9605 @ 0:00:00 (translated)
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Goes further
Ehime lemon grower farming without chemicals Cho's Japanese FPJ book profiles lemon grower Izumi Seiichi of Nakajima, Ehime; the Shiseido $1-a-leaf deal isn't in the book.
FPJ book (Japanese) (English translation), p. 9
“These are children taught with past-tense theory, and these are children taught by future-tense nature.”
▶ 2:22:42
“This one was raised in an orphanage, and this one was raised in a family home.”
▶ 2:24:15
“Don't go to a Tokyo hotel and eat it somewhere expensive. Make it on your own farm and eat the expensive stuff yourselves.”
▶ 2:40:35
“Hawaiʻi's strawberries aren't strawberries. They're leather.”
▶ 2:43:02
In this talk
- 2:21:07Harvest: orphanage rice vs rice with parents
- 2:24:15Same seed: grains per panicle
- 2:26:04Greed, 30% more yield, 50% higher price
- 2:28:38A grape farmer's profit (the interpreter's story)
- 2:29:37Cooked rice test and Amore cosmetics
- 2:32:14The melon farmer who used agrochemicals
- 2:33:56Ehime lemon leaves for Shiseido
- 2:36:51Morning sickness results: pepper, bean, broccoli, cauliflower
- 2:41:03Corn ears, Indonesian rice, Hawaiʻi strawberries
- 2:43:56Lunch break
Transcript
English translation, checked against the Korean as spoken.
2:21:07 Next. Next video? The harvest. The reason this rice looks like this now is these leaves are all dead, see. What that is, If you look at the conventional side, there's lots of dry leaves. It's like the children in an orphanage. It's like an orphanage, this side. So it's an orphanage, children's situation looks like that. So it's the lot of babies in an orphanage. Here, this one has both parents, dad and mom, alive and healthy, and
수확하는 거. 지금 이 벼가 이렇게 된 것은 이런 이파리가 다 죽었잖아. 그게 뭐냐면 고아원의 아이들, 아이들 같은 거야. 그래서 고아원에 [있는] 아기들 신세인 거예요. 여기 이거는 양부모, 아빠 엄마가 다 건강하게 살아 계시면서
2:21:58 So in natural farming, there's a mom and dad, and then they raise children with lots of love until they mature. That's the natural farming field. Do you have any feeling when you look at these two crops? How they are raised? Do you have any feeling? What kind of feeling do you have? Sad. [Relaying to Cho:] They say looking at the orphanage child makes them so sad. These are children taught with past-tense theory, So these children, they use past, they taught the children that way, and these side children, and these are children taught by future-tense nature.
고아원에 있는 애를 보니까 너무 슬프대요. 과거형 이론으로 가르친 아이들이고, 이거는 미래형 자연으로 가르치는 아이들이고.
2:22:56 they use the future, looking at the future and then taught them. That's why they are so different. The future is bright. That's right. Where can we buy that kind of rice? Rice. Buy in Hawaii. So he meant he'd been growing in Hawaii. Yeah, rice grows in Hawaii. They used to grow rice. So grow CGNF Hawaii rice!
2:23:44 Stand up so we know who you are. Yay! So this is the conventional, the orphanage rice, and that one is the natural farming, grown This one was raised in an orphanage, and this one was raised in a family home.
고아원에서 기른 거고, 이거는 가정에서 기른 거예요.
2:24:30 grown with lots of love. Do you remember this side they use 8 to 12 seed and this side only 2 to 3 seed? Look at that. The big difference. It's the same seed. This is natural farming and this is conventional farming. So this is the same seed we used and this side is a natural farming rice harvest and the other side is conventional rice. This one has only 80 to 140 grains on one panicle. This one has 180 to 240 grains on it. So in the natural farming, it's 200 to 260? 180 to 240
같은 종자예요. 이건 자연농업이고 이건 관행농업이에요. 이거는 한 이삭에 80 내지 140개밖에 안 달렸어요. 이거는 180에서 240개가 달린 거예요.
2:25:17 180 to 240 rice is on, and the other side is 80 to 140, the conventional side. So it's almost two times difference. This one here was planted with 8 to 12 [seedlings], and this one with two [or three]… So the other side, they planted 8 to 12 seed and the natural farming side we only use 2 to 3 seed. You can tell the size of the grain is much bigger.
여기 이거는 여덟 개에서 12개 심은 거고, 이것은 두 개, (세 개를) …
2:26:04 The Bible says: when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. In the Bible, if you have greed, greed will cause death. Sin first. Sin will grow to death. So farming the conventional way, out of greed, gives less harvest and costs a lot more. So in conventional farming, because of their greed, they are starting to have lots of problems and diseases come, so they don't do well at all.
성경에 보면 욕심이 잉태하면 죄를 낳고 죄가 장성하면 사망을 낳는다는 말이 있잖아요. 그래서 관행농업으로 욕심을 부려서 농사짓는 거는 수확도 덜하고 비용도 많이 들어요.
2:26:51 This one costs less, takes less work, and yields more. So, natural farming, we don't work that hard, we don't use that much expenses, and we harvest much bigger. So somebody asked how much harvest we do Someone asked earlier, right? How much more natural farming yields. Compared with conventional farming it yields 30% more. compared to conventional and natural farming. Natural farming generally 30% more. 30? 30, 30. And we did try with the soybean, exactly 30% more. And on top of yielding that much more, natural-farming rice sells for 50% more than conventional.
이거는 비용은 덜 들이고, 일도 덜하고, 수확은 더 많이 나. 아까 누가 물었지? 자연농업이 얼마나 더 나냐고. 저기 관행농업에 비해서 30%는 더 나. 그런데 수확이 그만큼 더 나는데, 관행농업에 비해서 자연농업 생산 쌀값은 50% 비싸고.
2:27:45 Oh, we spent less money, and we harvest 30% more and when we sell our rice price is 50% higher than conventional one. 50? Yeah, 5-0. So how much more is that? Isn't it 80% more? So we are actually gaining 80% of profit because we use less, way less expense, more or less, you know, everything less. You don't have to work so hard. But the conventional one, you have to buy all those chemical fertilizer. Also they have lots of problem.
그러니까 얼마큼 더 하는 거야? 80% 더 하는 거 아니야?
2:28:31 The expense keep going up. And so also their harvest is way less. …Let me tell you just one [example]. So one of the Korean farmer, a Korean farmer who grew grapes. And then he was doing conventional farming. And let's say he brought $30,000. The expense was so high after he paid all the expenses. Maybe he had a profit $3,000 to $5,000. But they're going to close down. And then somehow he hooked up with Mr. Cho on natural farming. So they changed to natural farming. The income was same, about $30,000,
… 일단 하나만 얘기해 줄게요.
2:29:18 but their expense is so low, their profit was $25,000 plus. So it's all the other way. So now they are back to business. This one is conventional farming… This is the rice, cooked into rice. [And this is] with natural farming. But the conventional rice [went bad/rotted]… and what was grown with natural farming [grew mold/mushroom]… So they did a test. The green side is the natural farming.
이게 관행농업으로… 밥을 지은 쌀… 밥을 지은 밥이야 이게. 자연농업으로. 근데 관행농업 밥은 (썩어)… 자연농업으로 한 거는 (곰팡이가)…
2:30:06 and then this orange side is the conventional farming rice. So they cook and then they sit there. And then conventional farming rice started to rot. And then natural farming rice started to have microorganisms. Also, the mushroom is starting to grow because they are living crops. Which rice do you want to feed your children?
여러분들 자녀들한테 어떤 밥을 먹이고 싶어?
2:30:53 So what kind of food do you want to provide to your children? You want to provide that one? If you ask where this was analyzed like this: at the biggest cosmetics company in Korea, a cosmetics company called Amore. The test is done in Korea. There is a very big cosmetic company, Amore. They tested this with the side rights. So when they make Amore cosmetics, they make them with natural-farming rice. So in Amore, that cosmetic company used only natural farming rice to make cosmetics.
이걸 어디서 이렇게 분석을 했냐 그러면, 한국에서 가장 큰 화장품 회사, 아모레라고 하는 화장품 회사에서. 그래서 아모레 화장품을 만드는데 자연농업 쌀을 갖다가 만들어.
2:31:40 And that Amore cosmetics company came to a [natural] farming household — to put the melon, the melon's fragrance, into cosmetics. For that purpose they set up contract growing. They came down to the natural farming melon farmer's place, and their melon smells so nice, so they want to put those smells in their cosmetics, so they made a contract. And I was the one responsible for guiding that farming. They were to grow it by natural farming, under my responsibility. But when I went and looked, they had used agrochemicals. So he was in charge of that natural farming,
그런데 그 아모레 화장품이 (자연농업) 농사짓는 집에 와가지고서 메론을, 메론의 향기를 화장품에 넣는다. 그걸 목적으로 해서 계약재배를 했어. 그런데 그 농사를 짓는데 지도 책임을 내가 졌다고. 자연농업으로 책임지고 길러요. 근데 가서 보니까 농약을 줬더라고요.
2:32:32 with the natural farming they are growing melons, and he went to check, they put a chemical fertilizer in there and they keep lying to me, no, we didn't use it. So I smelled it and looked, and they had definitely used agrochemicals. So I told [the company] they must not take melons like this. So he went to the company, Amore company, told them this melon has a chemical in it, so you cannot use it. So they didn't use that melon, the Amore company.
그래서 내가 냄새를 맡아보고 (보니까) 농약을 꼭 줬어. 그래서 (회사)에다 이런 메론은 가져가면 안 된다 (그랬어요).
2:33:19 Then [the husband] soon came after me and admitted they'd used agrochemicals. Why? The wife hadn't used any, but the husband had. So they couldn't sell the melons at all, and just… So next day the husband farmer came to him: yes, we used the chemical on our crop, but the wife didn't. The husband came and told him the truth, but they lost all the [melon sale]. And what is [it in] Japanese? And in Japan, here's what happened: in Ehime Prefecture… Ehime.
그랬더니 곧 (남편이) 쫓아와서 농약을 썼다고. 왜요? 부인은 안 썼는데 남편이 썼다는 거예요. 그래서 메론을 못 팔아 버려가지고 아주 그냥… 그리고 일본에서는 어떤 일이 있냐 그러면은, 에히메현에…
2:34:05 Ehime? Ehime. What is this — a province? State. In Japan there is one state who grows lemon. There's a man who farms lemons. And in all of Japan, that is the only place growing lemons without agrochemicals. In the whole of Japan, that's the only place that grows lemons without chemicals. Ehime. Ehime? Ehime-ken. Ehime-ken. In Shikoku. You know it well. I just came from there.
여기가 어떤 건가? 주인가? 레몬 농사짓는 분이 있어. 근데 저 일본에서 농약을 쓰지 않고 레몬 농사하고 있는 데가 거기 하나뿐이야.
2:34:50 Oh, really? Oh, really? Well, in Ehime there's a man called Izumi-san who farms lemons, [under contract] with Shiseido, the famous Japanese cosmetics company… and the Shiseido company picks everything, right down to the leaves. Oh, so this farmer, the lemon farmer, had a contract with Shiseido, and then Shiseido company come to their farm, They even pick their leaves, not only fruit, they pick everything and take it. One leaf is one dollar.
아, 그래? 근데 그 에히메현에 이즈미상이라고 하는 사람이 레몬 농사짓는데, 일본의 유명한 화장품 회사 시세이도와 (계약을 해서)… 시세이도 회사에서 이파리까지 몽땅 다 따 가. 이파리 하나면 1달러예요.
2:35:36 They pay one dollar for each lemon leaf. All that lemon leaves, one leaf, they pay one dollar. Even though they don't use other people, the Shiseido people come actually harvest and then still give one dollar for each leaves. They paid one dollar. They paid to the farmer one dollar for each leaf. It's one dollar [a leaf]. One dollar apiece. Other cosmetics companies come wanting to buy those leaves too, but Shiseido blocks them hard, to keep them for itself. Natural-farming lemon leaves are that valuable. So they don't use the fruit, they only use the leaves.
그 레몬 한 잎에 1달러씩 돈을 내요. (한 잎에) 1달러예요. 1달러에 1개씩. 그 이파리를 다른 화장품 회사에서 또 와서 사겠다고 (해도), 시세이도가 굉장히 강하게 (막아서) 자기들만 쓰려고. 그 정도로 자연농업으로 만든 레몬 이파리가 (비싸요). 그래서 과일은 안 쓰고 이파리만 써요.
2:36:34 So other company heard about that farm, so want to come and buy some, but the Shiseido wouldn't let them. So natural farming in Japan, the lemon leaves are high price. Next… This is chili pepper. Before pregnancy — before pregnancy — [we] made it like this. So they use water-soluble calcium phosphate before they were pregnant. Before flowering, they used that. So they have so many fruits now.
다음은… 그 임신 되기 전에, 임신 되기 전에 … 이렇게 만들었어요.
2:37:20 This is broccoli and this is… Here, two bean seeds were planted. So it's soybean, right? Bean — is it soybean [the miso bean]? No, not soybean, it's [another] bean. Soybean. Soybean? No, it's not soybean. It's bean. Peanut. Peanut? Anyway, this is only from one seed. It came out like this. This is a bean; the bean goes through [morning sickness] five times. So even this field, morning sickness is about five times.
여기 콩씨 두 개 심은 거예요. 콩, 된장콩이에요? 아니요, 된장콩 아니고 (…)콩. 이것은 콩인데, 콩은 (…) 다섯 번 (입덧을) 합니다.
2:38:06 Each time, the pods set like this. So every time morning sickness — before morning sickness — you will get the right nutrient, you will have so much fruit hanging there. And this broccoli was sitting right in here. Oh, so in this broccoli, this [fruit] was right here. Now, plant broccoli and [here] you get this many, but in Korea or Japan you get at most 2 or 3. Oh, in Korea or Japan, when we plant the broccoli,
그때마다 열매가 이렇게 열려. 그런데 이 브로콜리가 지금 여기 요기에 들어앉았던 거야. 근데 지금 브로콜리를 심으면 (여기는) 이만큼 나오지만, 한국이나 일본은 많이 (해야) 2개 내지 3개밖에 못 돼.
2:38:57 you have only one or two, three. That's the only they have. …five times So same, broccoli also has morning sickness five times. But by treating at those times, from one plant that would only give 2 or 3, you get 12 to 15. So every time when do morning sickness, they get the right nutrient. Usually, normally they harvest one to three. After all those treatments, they harvest 10 to 15. That's amazing. Yes. Cauliflower. That's a cauliflower. Wow.
(…) 5번에 근데 그때 처리해가지고 한 포기에서 2개 3개밖에 못 하는 것이 12개, 15개다.
2:39:57 The normal one is 500 grams, something like that. But with the natural farming, it's 8 kilograms. Should I say eight? But it's not only that it's heavy… Not only big and heavy, the taste is so good. In Tokyo, a [… ] hotel ordered it and took it. So in Tokyo, a five-star hotel ordered this broccoli from me. Don't go to a Tokyo hotel and eat it somewhere expensive — make it on your own farm and eat the expensive stuff yourselves. That's my point.
에이트라고 해야 하나요? 그런데 무게가 나가는 것뿐만이 아니라… 동경에서, (…) 호텔에서 주문을 해서 가져왔어요. 동경 호텔에 가서 비싼 데서 먹지 말고, 여러분들이 농장에서 만들어가지고 비싼 거 한번 먹어보자 이거예요.
2:40:47 So grow nice broccoli. Don't buy this broccoli from the outside. Let's grow and then eat those delicious broccoli. That's a corn. I think that's his hand. Corn has [morning sickness?] three times. Normally, corn sets only two or three ears on one stalk. Usually the corn plant has about two to three ears.
그래서 지금 보면 옥수수가 한 대에서 두 개, 세 개밖에 열리지 않아요.
2:41:37 But look at natural farming: on one stalk it's 13 to 15. that way you can harvest ten to fifteen ears. And… [unclear]. So when you do it, use the natural farming way, always produce more. So don't worry, Go ahead and use natural farming method. […] this is Indonesia; the rice panicle […]
그런데 자연농업을 보게 되면 이것이 한 대에 13개에서 15개다. 그리고 (…) 덜 (…) 않아. (…) 인도네시아인데, 벼이삭 (…)
2:42:29 So this is also rice. In Indonesia, usually normally the rice grows up to this length. But with the natural farming, it grows this long. So this strawberry also has morning sickness five times. Hawaii's strawberries aren't strawberries — they're leather, leather skins. The Hawaii strawberry is not the strawberry. Their skin is like a leather. So thick.
하와이의 딸기는 딸기 아니여. 그건 가죽이여, 가죽 껍데기다.
2:43:17 How about you first make these delicious strawberries here in Hawaii? If you grow delicious strawberry in Hawaii and pick and eat it, how about that? Yes, sir. Good. This one, strawberry, cost $2.50 when you sell it. Is that growing in soil? What? Alright. Here's your strawberry. Oh, sorry!
여러분이 먼저 하와이에서 이 맛있는 딸기를 만들어 보면 어떨까요?
2:44:13 So, because they're tired, we need to go down here because the workers are waiting for us. So we're going to go to lunch and come back what time? 1 o'clock. One hour, from one.