Pouring Off Banana FPJ, Mold In Vinegar, Neem For OHN
Drake opens with the I Ching hexagram on nourishment, then reviews a viewer named Thomas's step-by-step video of pouring off banana fermented plant juice (FPJ). He points out the signs of a finished ferment: a little white mold on top, a floating wooden spoon showing the sugar has reached super-saturation, and rinsing the jar before sealing.
Sarah shares photos of her raised-bed garden in Wenatchee, Washington. Mike asks about mold on his pineapple vinegar after it sat too long; Drake says vinegar is self-sterilizing once pH drops below 2.4, so just filter off the mold and use it.
Drone footage from the banana patch shows bunchy-top symptoms improving on new leaves since Drake resumed spraying fermented plant juice and seawater minerals in August after a gap since March. The drone clips a tree and gets stuck at 13% battery. He's raising money for a $700 RTK reference station to fly straighter, more accurate paths, and reports spraying seven acres in 19 flights, 100 gallons, one hour 17 minutes of flight time.
Other topics: don't call an herbal mix "OHN" if you add neem to it, make a separate boiled-down neem solution with soap instead; knfsupport.com now has a timestamped search bar for past office hours; and Nandina (sacred bamboo) berries might work as a ginkgo-berry substitute pesticide, since heat breaks down their cyanide.
Questions answered
- 11:41 How do you know banana FPJ is ready to pour off? — Watch for a little white mold on top and a wooden spoon floating, meaning the sugar hit super-saturation.
- 20:25 Why isn't Korean Natural Farming for everyone right away? — Drake says KNF purifies the spirit over time, and Master Cho taught that not everyone is ready for it yet.
- 21:54 My pineapple vinegar grew mold after sitting too long, is it still safe? — Yes, once pH drops below 2.4 vinegar is self-sterilizing, so just filter out the mold and use it.
- 26:14 Why is one banana in the drone footage browning and dying? — Potassium deficiency; the banana is pulling potassium into its fruit instead of there being enough in the soil.
- 37:18 Why is Drake raising money for an RTK reference station? — A $700 base station gives the drone real-time kinematic GPS so it flies straighter paths and stops clipping trees.
- 52:02 How can I search past Office Hours episodes for a topic? — knfsupport.com now has a second search bar that returns the exact video and timestamp for past office-hour topics.
- 55:11 What's Drake using to manage grass around the farm? — Two Honda bagging mowers and a BCS with a sickle bar, plus moving cows around instead of just mowing everything.
- 1:01:49 Can neem be added to OHN? — Don't call it OHN once you add neem; make a separate herbal solution by boiling neem down with a little soap instead.
- 1:04:50 Can Nandina (sacred bamboo) berries be used as a pest deterrent? — Drake says try fermenting it as a possible ginkgo-berry substitute, since heating breaks down the berries' cyanide.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Count Down
- 2:55 Intro and Welcome
- 5:07 I Ching Reading & Reflection: Nourishment
- 11:41 Step-by-Step: Pouring Off Banana FPJ
- 17:59 Sarah's KNF Garden in Wenatchee, WA
- 20:25 KNF Purifies the Spirit
- 21:54 Mold Growing on Vinegar
- 24:54 Thanks for the Superchats
- 26:14 Drone Footage: Banana Bunchy-Top Update
- 37:18 RTK Reference Station for Drone Project
- 39:10 Industrial vs Financial (Loan) Capital & Usury
- 43:34 Exponential Growth & Doubling Period Explained
- 51:30 Doing KNF Is More Important Than "Likes"
- 52:02 Upgraded Search Bars on KNF Support Site
- 55:11 Mowers, Grass-Sweepers, Bovine Grazers
- 57:37 Natural Capitalism & Indigenous Peoples of the Earth
- 1:01:49 Adding Neem to knfMedicine
- 1:03:20 Lynn Margulis
- 1:04:50 Can Nandina Be Used as an Herbal Pest-A-Side?
- 1:09:18 Long Live the Natural Farmer
Transcript
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3:30 Hey, good morning. Good day. Good time to be tuning in wherever you are, whenever it is. The time is now. Now is the time. So, thanks. Thanks for tuning in, being here. Texas, Western Australia, Germany. It's like the whole world is doing natural farming, which is kind of a fun thing to think about, that if the whole world is doing natural farming, then we probably have a chance to
4:20 regenerate the earth, to bring prosperity to ourselves, to each other, to our communities, to everyone around. We even got Florida in the house. Hope you guys survived the hurricane and such and so forth. Taos, yo, what's up? We got some desert folks dwelling. Talking about the capitalist agriculturalists being wrong. Okay, in the house too. Let's see here. yeah, that's what I wanted to do. Yeah, man. Goof man in the house.
5:07 So today, today, today, the higher wisdom starting off in the right place is the corners of the mouth and providing nourishment. So it says give proper nourishment to yourself and others. so this image the image of this hexagram is that of an open mouth it comes to remind us that nourishment of our bodies and spirits is important and merits conscientious attention the yi ching teaches us if we wish to gauge someone's character we should notice what he nourishes in himself and in others Those who cultivate inferior behaviors in relationships are inferior people.
6:01 Those who cultivate superior qualities in themselves and others are superior people. This is a test that we should apply to ourselves as well as to others. What you put in your body is obviously important. because it determines your fundamental physical well-being. It is wise to be moderate and thoughtful about the food you eat. What you put in your mind is even more significant, and regulating it is a more subtle art. This hexagram gives us a three-part advice on that subject.
6:48 The first counsel is that we should not feed our minds on desire. When we forgo our equanimity and begin to desire something or someone, a host of other inferior influences come into play. We become ambitious about obtaining the object of our desire. We become fearful that we will not. If we do achieve it, our ego is gratified and strengthened. And soon it issues another demand for us to meet.
7:33 A self-reinforcing cycle of negativity is thus created. Therefore, it is wise to hold yourself free from desire. the second counsel is we begin and continue in a regular practice of meditation sitting quiet with the eyes closed for even as little as 10 to 15 minutes a day begins to clear the waste out of the hearts and minds making room for the nourishment of peace and wisdom to enter in. To sit in meditation is to tune your ear to the voice of the sage, and it is the most powerful way of gaining his assistance.
8:21 The final counsel is that we observe tranquility in speech, thoughts, and actions. By cultivating a calm equanimity in all you say, think, and do, you nourish the superior self and those around you. One who follows these three councils now will meet with good fortune. so yeah so you know ancient hawaiians used to always have the statue with the open mouth because they were all about food and such and so forth um wasn't just a threatening posture it was
9:14 just about um food it's a food economy you know abundance via food abundance via sharing family-oriented societies that make things better that way and basing your economy around agriculture and food and then giving out land based on you know fertility and what they call your responsibility kuleanas around those you know i think that's the basis of a healthy society of course they were on an island it required island thinking and then there were other influences that came in conquered them and then became more warlike folks and what can you do if
10:08 you're always a good person growing good food someone wants to conquer you that's their prerogative You just have to endure them until they go away and realize that growing food, regenerating, being peaceful is the superior way. Because, you know, I mean, there is give-take in nature. There's predators. There's prey. It's all that. But it's good. So, man, we got the whole family here. We got Stone Mason in Illinois. Illinois. Joe up in New York. What's up, Bridger? Jay-Z up in New York.
10:53 He's not on the show, but he should be. Let him know. Gonna make it rain. Because we're regenerating the soil, and the soil is putting more water into to generate the liquid cycle. So, Team, Seal Team 6. Oh, Seal Team 6 in the house. I thought they were busy out getting oil and things. But they're in the house. What's up, Seal Team 6? If I had an aqua park with seals, I would name them Seal Team 6. And then I would feed them fish. Okay. Lemon Balm FBJ smells amazing. What's up? Yeah, no, there are good things happening.
11:36 folks around the world are doing good things. So I wanted to start off today a little bit here. I got a few emails. One of these I didn't watch yet, but let's demonetize my thread right away and watch this one. So we'll switch over. Thomas sent me this. oh it's 22 minutes long man i should have watched it before but what is the way i'm gonna speed it up oh it's it's you change your name back to the other thing but uh eyewitness in the house nice beard brethren so look at this nice fermented plant juice which one is this this must be a banana looks like a banana to me but you got
12:20 all these things this looks like a how-to video it's gonna be a good one we're gonna speed it up a little bit. He's going through his materials here. What else he got? We got this big thing of sugar up here. Let's see. He's going to put that funnel in there and a filter. Nice work. Smart dude. Oh yeah, some shockos. Important. Got to have good vibes while you're doing this. Oh, his rubber band just shot away. He's smelling it. Smells good, right? Slightly alcoholic smell. Any mold? I don't know. Looks like he already put a lot of sugar in there though. You probably could
13:06 have eased back up on your initial sugar content. Or is that sugar cane? It's sugar and sugar cane, I think. I don't know. Maybe it's banana. Yeah, his two-thirds, I think he's showing us. Man, he's good. You know what, Thomas came here. He learned. He's really good at what he does, and he's super studious. Banana. Yeah, banana. I don't know. I can't hear him. Maybe it's just muted for me. It's muted for you too. It was just muted in general. But he got, it's like ASM. Oh, look how much juice he got. Oh, wow. That's one thing that's nice about banana. Look how juicy
13:48 that is. He got a ton in there. Oh, he's trying to point out some mold. Yeah. But that, look at that juice. Okay. We're going to skip a little bit of this because you're pouring. Okay. So he got his juice there let's see what's he left the camera rolling while he went over there pulling that back out you know because he had some sugar left at the bottom that would make a decent vinegar probably but uh it's pouring it out the mouth of his jar messing with them okay let's skip this little bit forward in here. It's looking good though. Look how careful he is. Lots of attention to detail,
14:43 making it good. Is the mold bad? No, no. The mold, usually, like, if you got, like, gnarly black mold or red mold, then you should probably be there. But once you see a little bit of white mold, it just indicates that your ferment is done. So yeah, it's, you know, just pour it off right then when you, if you see stuff like wispy stuff starting to grow on the top. So sometimes you will see that it just, you know, he's in Florida, so it's hot, it's warmer. So it probably went faster for him. Molds are more of a thing in tropical conditions versus where, you know,
15:21 if you're in a more other condition, you won't have the same issues, or it'll take longer for you. Because it's based on temperature and pressure. Oh, is it you're stirring some sugar in, you're starting to add sugar? Is it super saturated yet? That's the question. This sugar, is it nice and powdery if it's crystal, big crystals? Is it GMO-free? I don't think they GMO sugar just to know but crystals make sure you stir it in well get that stuff, what is that I don't know, he's just drinking, oh maybe he made a sample I don't know, I skipped it alright, we're going to skip a little bit because
16:06 it's going to add more sugar is it going, it's going to super saturate I think that's what he's looking at, it looks like you're getting some sugar at the bottom, oh look you see it hanging on the top that's good man that's good yeah you hit hit the mark good super saturation there that's a good video to watch him go through this whole thing you know you get to see his pour off his super saturation and his spoon's starting to float that means he's because he's using a wooden spoon that means it's also reaching super saturation with a beard like that man you're a You're a good teacher.
16:43 You know, you can tell the quality of your beard for how well your educational content is, right? Look, and he brought napkins to wipe it up. He's all prepared and stuff. Wow. He must be a dad. Oh, and he has a trash can right there. Oh, my gosh. I hope that you can compost that. But see, his spoon's floating. It's super saturated. Yep. So, and he got his thing to rinse. oh my gosh you're so prepared Thomas so prepared look at that then he's gonna seal it up but is he gonna label it no he's gonna make the same mistake I made not label anything just guess
17:24 later on well thanks for that Thomas that was super informative you're doing it right a validation through the internet of it looks like everything you did was amazing and he says he adds a little bit more sugar than he needs because his juices are notorious for becoming active after he's walked away so yeah it's never a bad thing to add a little extra sugar into it for super saturation stage at the end when you're preserving it but awesome man that's that's really cool that's uh that's a good one and then i got another email here from sarah
18:05 and we'll transition over to this and she's in wenatchee washington looks like near the gorge dave the gorge dave the gorge um but look at this nice garden she just sent this as kind of a thanks um for tuning in type thing and uh good inspiration here to see this garden i'm not sure what that is in the center but looks like cucumbers over here let's see can we go to the next one here oh it's a little house bent over hog panel thing cucumbers gotta be cucumbers right look at these long gotta be a weird long cucumber from
18:49 you know the kind that don't fit in the pickle jar um either that or it's a it's a loofah so yeah look at these nice garden boxes down here and then the vining crops can grow up here um oh man look at this this is just this is gorgeous look at those sunsets nice uh fall autumn day look at this garden this is so nice i i like this kind of like back to eden Got a whole bunch of wood chips down to make it nice. And then got these nice raised garden beds here. Little mini home there. I don't know.
19:34 Maybe it's an office. And yeah, just look at this. Nice garden thriving. Beautiful. Yeah, so thanks for the share back. It's always nice to see folks putting Korean natural farming into action in every way. That even if you are not out farming huge areas, but you got some nice raised garden beds, what a better place than to put natural microbes, have better yields, better production, more robust immune systems, and just love and life. And building just beauty into your place, you know. What a cool thing.
20:15 things. So, yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, people, some people get exposed to Korean natural farming through the Jadam because it's cheap and easy and extremely disgusting. Um, but you got to get to a new level. I find it, I kind of find like Korean natural farming is like, it's, you know, it's like, refinement of your spirit. My dad was watching something the other day is telling me about it's like how to get free from the matrix in Babylon. And it was just saying like, you got to be a pure, good person first. And so similar to Korean natural farming,
20:59 not everybody's ready for it. You know, Master Cho, it's like, you know, he would tell us, it's like, you know, you know, not everyone's ready for this. You got to have a good, pure spirit and by doing it it'll purify your spirit but then also um you know to stick with it and to to do it you know it's it's a it's a um it's a progression um and then what is this death trap mike nice name i was thinking of making some sort of acronym called death like uh drake's uh exotic agriculture time here just make it like death death agriculture because i want to i want to
21:47 like redefine what that means for us um put a positive light onto death um but it says my my he's he's i'm assuming it's a he because it's mike but you never know could be michelle spelled Mike. But my pineapple vinegar has some mold in it. I've left it, let it sit a little too long. Will it still be okay to use? If you're making vinegar, molds on top, scobies on top, vinegar is usually actually can be a somewhat disgusting process because you're leaving it for multiple months and all kinds of stuff can happen. And in fact, those little gnats, the vinegar gnats,
22:28 They poop acetic acid, so when you see those little gnats in there, sometimes my vinegars will even get a few maggot-type things on the top. It just depends how it goes. It's a pretty nasty process, but the thing is, vinegar itself is sterilizing, especially as the pH drops below 2.4 and it becomes a true vinegar, and you don't have to worry about that kind of contamination. Just filter it off, filter it out, and you're good to go.
22:54 So I was actually thinking yesterday I was making a bunch of sugarcane juice and I was thinking about it and I was thinking about kids and things where like they're like, ew, there's dirt on this. I don't want to eat it. And it's like, are you aware that plants grow in dirt and that dirt can actually be clean and that dirt is good? You know, there's like, oh, it's dirty. It's like, cause I was making sugar can juice and I dropped one of the things on the ground and I was like, ah, and then I just rinsed it off and just kept juicing it.
23:24 And it's like, you know, you gotta realize that we're, we're like, at least in my, my conditioning is, you know, I, I was raised in a family that got majority of our food from the store, right? You go to the store, you never see any dirt. You never see, and it looks clean and it's like all wrapped in plastic and it looks like a brand new toy type thing, you know, that you're buying. And so you don't realize like it was grown in dirt. It probably had bugs all over it. And, you know, it's just was rinsed off and it's like, you know, out of sight, out of mind. Right.
23:56 But understanding that this stuff isn't that gross and that these processes of like, you know, fermentation, there can be molds, different things on them. It's just, you know, just wash it off before you give it to someone who's, you know, sensitive to that kind of stuff and just don't talk too much about it. but uh it's good yeah your vinegar should be fine it's a it's a nasty process and um it's just fun though and i mean and it's not to say that you can't do it in a clean way i mean you know like but for it depends you know if you're if you're making it just for ag
24:29 use it's like the plants aren't going to care that had bugs over it in fact they're probably going to benefit from that um but if you're making it for human consumption maybe you you know vinegar it's probably going to be fine i'm not saying to go eat something completely disgusting definitely don't drink to dom stuff but you know use your use your sensible mind and and it'll turn out well so hey and stonemason thank you super chats awesome thanks you you've been super solid on super chats and supporting the channel and i appreciate that i had had somebody this last
25:05 week say like they they like the channel they were going to donate but I said something wrong and now they're not going to and it's it's always it's always funny it's like you know I'm doing a live show here I was thinking about it this morning too it's like you know I gotta be you know I just I just kind of talk off the top of my head of what I you know see think and whatever and you know um you want to offend people just make a bunch of content you're bound to offend somebody with some content somewhere. And it's funny when you have a tiny bit of content that offends someone and
25:39 then a huge corpus of like knowledge and everything that was like really good and beneficial. But that one thing you said, that one thing, that one opinion you didn't share with that person turned them off. And they were like, screw this guy. It's like, yeah, it's the nature of cancel culture, what we live in, how we are, what we do, you know, YouTube, you know, some people say I read all the comments. Some people say never read the YouTube comments. I read all the comments. Um, you know, most, I'd say 99% of them are positive, good comments. Um, so I wanted to just before get into,
26:17 um, get into the, um, the banana drone project that I've been doing. Um, let's see here. Let's bring that down there. Uh, actually let's go this way and do it this way. Let's just do it this way. Okay. So this is this week's drone footage. So I'll bring you right here to where the drone's going to take off. And, uh, here we go. Taking off, taking off my bananas up there. so um and this is why this is a lesson to you why gps is non-accurate can be off by as much as five
27:02 to ten feet so if you're trying to fly a narrow path and i defined it to go right along this road watch out because oh it autonomously flew into the bananas but this banana looks good from, you know, getting right there. Look at this one. This one looks good. That one, this banana right here, you see how it's sort of starting to die off right there? It's a lack of potassium in my soil. The banana is aggregating too much potassium into its reproductive bodies, and it's starting to brown up and die out. So I do have potassium deficiencies
27:39 up there, which I'm trying to solve with a drone. We're spraying fermented plant juice up there, uh, seawater protectors. Um, what else? I don't know if I put any cleanser, any vinegar in there. I don't think so right now. Um, definitely put some fuel in there too, but that should help. Um, but this type of thing, you know, while the drone's stuck in the tree, we may as well talk about what, what it sees. Um, I did eventually get it down with a, um, pitchfork actually was, let me get this thing out of the tree. Um, but that's what happens when you do autonomous flight
28:16 with a drone that does not have radar and it's not a DJI ag drone, but that was instead the Mavic pro that flew astutely straight into this tree. Um, so I think what I'm gonna have to do is raise the autonomous flight up cause it's pretty good at estimating altitude. Um, and I will put it up higher so that, you know, it's funny as the bananas grow, it actually becomes harder to fly its original autonomous path. Um, and so that, that, you know, anyway, a little bit lessened, but if I do go back right here, I'm going to go back freeze frames here right before it hit the
28:56 banana, right before it collided. Let's just watch this part right here. And I don't know if you can see but to me when I'm walking up here this banana patch was so terrible almost dead from banana bunchy top and it looks to me like the new leafs emerging are actually coming out um better and not um not as um you know bunchy top they're coming out strong they're coming out um in a way where you know it it's looking better to me this I guess what I'm trying to say while I'm also trying to simultaneously get my cursor size to be bigger pointer size that's it yeah I'm gonna make a larger pointer
29:52 so you can see what I'm pointing at sorry trying to multitask there but yeah these new leaves coming out look better. Um, so that, you know, absolute fail of the drone. I had, you know, I only had 13% battery on my controller, so I had to, um, uh, try to do a quick flight and I ended up crashing the thing and, um, it luckily it didn't damage it. Um, and then we have, um, from the two weeks prior, cause it looks like I missed a week going out there just cause I was busy doing stuff, but two weeks prior, which I don't think you guys have seen this one yet,
30:32 um, this was, you know, what it was looking like the other week, um, the, um, you know, this autonomous flight, however, did better first. It flew, it flies over here first, and then it flies over there. See, the other one, it was just like, it thought it was in the right spot, but when it flies over here first and then it goes, it's better. But, um, you know, this thing, like the leaves are not looking that great in this, cause this was two weeks ago and I'm able to see the change by now. Um, but you see the, you know, like the new leaves coming out of the center,
31:15 they all look this other color. There's not, there's not a change in them. And, um, you know, This plant here doesn't have that bad bunchy top. This one has. In fact, this plant got chopped down because I harvested those bananas. But you see the Morse code type thing, the bunchy top symptoms happening here. And the new leaves coming out don't have that. And even this one almost collided. um so but yeah the the leaves come out of the center they're not um you know like here's here's extreme bunchy top case right these this these over here this plant's got it really bad um
32:05 and so i'm you know i'm kind of glad that i'm kind of i'm sorry you know had i been spraying natural farming up here, I was actually stopping and reversing it. And then I stopped spraying in March and then I only started spraying again, um, August. So the whole month of August I've sprayed now into September. Um, but you know, looking at it, it looks, it's, it looks terrible. So I'm glad I made it completely terrible. Um, well, I'm not glad it is terrible. It is what it is and then I'm starting from here and it gives me a use case you know not all my plants got so bad
32:44 you know this one block in particular was just terrible with bunchy top so that's why I'm treating this one and trying to go through here um you know and it gives but it does give me a good uh comparison right and you know like that leaf coming out looks okay but even you know it just doesn't look that great right looking and i gotta get up here with a chainsaw and take this tree out uh just stick mulch it in there got other random polycultures in my i want a monoculture dang it with all this grass um no it's not a monoculture it is a regenerative disaster
33:26 in this case yeah this is like what neglect gets you and not spraying but um not you know just yeah when you're fighting a problem you need to be on it it's frequency and you know um actually dealing with problems like i said you know if you watch my other bunch of videos the university would have came here and poisoned everything and cut it all down and exterminated it all so technically i'm doing better than the official solution because i still have banana plants i'm still getting bananas and people would be like you're infecting everyone
34:03 else that's like yo just stay six feet away you'll be fine wear a mask you'll be fine put a mask on your trees you'll be fine right um but also looking at the pasture you can see where we've been amending that and I've been spraying these pastures too so do keep an eye on the pasture as we go around trying to look at this and see if that's getting better but the tarot over here is kicking butt I'll tell you that tarot I'm not growing that much up there but you know it's kind of volunteered but man it's doing good so we'll see we'll see I'm glad I kind of you know
34:39 over time time lapse in these things see we'll see the difference um and uh you know can also watch how my truck changes because as I'm spraying, I fly the drone over and it sprays my truck with the natural farming stuff, which is not the world's best idea. You know, the more you spray natural farming solutions on your vehicles, you don't, you know, it shortens their lifespan. And I also have to avoid spraying this roof, even though it gets some drift on it for sure. But so anyway, little banana update. I didn't get down on the ground to do anything closer. It's been a lot
35:15 of effort to do that project to, to, you know, I tell you, it's like a full day of sweating to even, even with a sprayer drone, you think, oh, this is going to be easy. I can just sit here and do this. It, it's a lot of work. Um, not going to lie. Um, you know, but getting out there spraying, it's, it's heck of a lot easier than walking on the ground or driving a tractor around or whatever. um but the other day i was also able to get seven acres treated on the farm so it's not really the best here but i'll have to i'll have to get the install app on a
35:58 simulator so I can plug it into the thing. But Friday, I sprayed seven acres with 19 flights, an hour and 17 minutes of flight time, which doesn't include the time it's on the ground to reload and change batteries. And I sprayed 100 gallons of solutions. So yeah, you can see all those yellow are where let me put it real close yeah there you go so all that yellow is where the flight path is so um so it just it flies back and forth over these fields and sprays it and gets it all out there and now it's blurry yeah there we go um so i've been staying on it with
36:49 that project slow steady continual effort um it looks like i missed a week of putting this up i'm not sure i've been trying to fly every week and get drone footage and keep it so that it's like a timeline progression so you can see it um so i can see it i don't you know if you want to see it too that's that's cool but um it's for me and i'm just having to share it Um, what's up, Willie? How's it, man? Uh, Kia, Kia Ora, man. Yeah. Um, I do a haka for you. Um, vanilla ice haka. Um, yeah. So anyway, uh, life on the farm doing stuff. Um, I am trying
37:42 to buy one of these so if you want to help support the um the channel me would be helpful because i'm trying to get one of these it's 700 this enables me to get rtk real-time kinematics as a reference station um and it'll help my drone get more precise and um then the big one won't run into trees. It doesn't run into trees anyway. It's a little bit smarter, but I need, uh, it would be helpful if we got one of these. So I'm trying to raise some funds to get one of these, um, and get a base station so I can do, um, you know, this thing will plug into the GPS.
38:31 It'll, it'll put up its little antenna and, uh, stay stationary and then load it and then it'll send out end trip, um, which is, you know, stuff to the drone and then it can tune in and then get more accurate. So if you want to help out and that's appreciated, um, why did I do that? I wanted to go to this one. Um, what else is on there? Gmail wants to verify it's me. Um, yeah. What else? Oh, also I tuned in, watched Hawkeye Speaks. He's talking about how desertification
39:20 is bad, but then agriculture is not. I think maybe he's misinterpreting what I'm saying. And he's against usury, which is good. There's a book out there I should send to you or you should get about usury talks about industrial capital versus financial capital and the difference between that and capitalism. If you just say capitalism, financial capital is where money makes money. Industrial capitalism is where machines make money. And the thing about, you know, or widgets or like, you know, farming, like pretty much everything we do besides investment capital is, you know, industrial capital.
40:00 And the thing with industrial capital is, you know, the means of production will enable you to profit. But then those machines start to decay, break down. You need to upgrade your factory. You need to pay your workers more and your profits decline. And it has this natural up down that nature has up down. Financial capital is you loan your money out. Your money makes more money. You're able to loan more money. Your money makes more money. You're able to loan more money. Your money makes more money and you get this exponential curve going up one direction only.
40:32 Occasionally, you lose money, but it's rare. It's only if you're making bad investments. And in financial capital basically sucks all the money out of the real world, out of industrial capital and puts it into this financial usury, just making money off money. And it's this violent up curve. And that is the problem with capitalism is the non-distinction between financial and industrial capitalism. So look up those ideas if you are interested in it. And you will find that a whole National Socialism Workers' Party built a whole system to try and get rid of that.
41:10 And then it got co-opted into a different thing and blacklisted and suppressed and associated with something that you can't talk about on YouTube, which is why I'm avoiding the topic. But the roots of that movement were basically against the financial capital versus, but industrial capital, just fine. And it was that distinction that was the start of that party. And then it became something much more and all super controversial. so if you understand um i can't talk about these topics on youtube um but getting into the roots
41:44 of it and looking at the pure bits of it without the other cruft is a way to do it so um and communism is works in families but it's like imagine you work all day and the state tells you thanks give us your money and then we're going to give some of it back to you so you can buy some of the things you need. And what's the point of working hard when you're in that system? So, um, but it basically, uh, you know, if you do study Marx and I have read the, um, the communist manifesto, which is funny that you can talk about that on YouTube,
42:22 uh, but not the other thing. And, um, it's about just basically that the workers are being exploited by these financial capitalists. And as soon as the workers realize that they can just say, hey, look, you know, we're not paying, you know, I'm not working on Maggie's farm no more. Like, why work for other folks? I mean, there's benefits to certain things, but, you know, and so instead just share with each other like a nice big family. But when that comes to scale, it becomes much harder to manage and central planning of anything
42:55 or managing becomes very hard. So what I actually recommend is more like the Hawaiian system of ahupua'as, which are independent land systems where the land management is the key, and interoperable trade between small, independent, autonomous units that then come together through mutual trade. So just to clarify any of my, you know, thoughts on economic systems. And then also, you know, this idea of infinite growth, and then we can just go back and there's the land we can regenerate and create abundance. But
43:41 mineral resources, we're consuming at an exponential rate, and there's only a finite amount of them. And we cannot continue exponential mineral exploitation because minerals are replenished at a much slower rate. And so things like metal, plastic, oil, you know, you name it, if it's a mineral resource, we cannot continue this exponential growth on that because exponential growth means that it doubles every doubling period. And for us, that's about 17 to 20 years, between 10 to 20 years, basically, of doubling. And so if you're growing at something and then
44:19 you double it in your next period, that means in this period, you're going to consume more than you ever did before because you're doubling that right this is half this is the other half so in this doubling period you've consumed more here than you did before and then once you take that and you say we consume more in the last 20 years than we ever did before in human history on oil or metal or you know cobalt you know you name it you name it right we're consuming more in this 10 to 20 years than we ever did before and then you take that and then you say okay then we're going to double it
44:53 again and we're going to consume more here than we did here plus here we're going to consume more in this small segment than we ever did before and that's exponential doubling theory and it's just mathematical things of the minerals do not replenish at a rate that consumption is outpacing however agriculture we could really by incorporating more natural farming into the systems actually do much more, you know, we could grow way more food, right? You start doing natural farming, and because you're just using the natural processes and using itself to feed itself,
45:32 that the doubling period actually makes the life more abundant and things more abundant than these things. And sure, regenerative agriculture, we could do the right way. You know, it's going to require a lot more people to get into agriculture, a lot more manual labor, a lot more returning to horses and things. I was just thinking about it the other day as I was driving back from the hardware store to pick up, you know, I was driving, bringing, you know, what, two tons of metal with me to go pick up three pieces of PVC, you know, 20 miles away.
46:10 and um and you know the crazy crazy thing of how how that's um how that's you know it's just wild like you know it's easier to move 10 pounds by by moving you know four three tons of of in a car than it is to pick up 10 pounds and move it you know like that's how lazy we are and how much we don't value the energy and how much we don't think about it right i load a few small things in my truck to drive them, you know, 50 feet where I could have just lifted up and carried it for way less energy. Um, but I don't think about the energy because it's so cheap. Um,
46:46 but I was thinking about it of the idea that, um, you know, there's all this grass growing on the side of the highway and the County used to just spray Roundup and just poison it in the state and the County used to just spray Roundup and poison it. And then you could see, and that was great, you know, um, keeping the road clear so you can see where you're going and not have an accident because you're going 60 miles an hour and you're going to slam into someone because you can't see because there's bushes not the best idea so they've switched from roundup to now
47:13 manual they they have um these these um flail mowers that they put on excavators and get the grass down and then they also have weed whacking crews that come by and you know burn you know two-stroke engine and put microplastic everywhere as they weed whack which better solution worse solution. I'm not sure. Um, but, uh, what I was thinking is the, is that back in the day, if I was riding my horse to town and back or, or, you know, there wouldn't be the grass because my horse would take a snack and, you know, the grass would stay down on the roadsides because it's like,
47:54 you got to have a snack for your animal that you're riding or, you know, or someone's, you know, going to take a nap in the shade and, and just, you know, and so the whole maintenance of our roads, um, you know, if you return back to like horse and buggy, it's like, it's, it's solved, you know, like, and that's a natural farming type of like compatible thing. Cause you're not using mineral resources at that point to, um, you know, for, for the transportation. So we could, and, and then if, you know, if you're really interested, um, looking up the Chinese, uh,
48:24 wheelbarrow system that the Chinese, you know, used to have these, they paved roads with like pavers that were like a foot wide type thing, like maybe six, eight inches to a foot wide. And then their wheelbarrow, instead of the Western wheelbarrow where the wheel, let me, let me do this, where the wheels in the front and you're picking up most of the weight, the Chinese were real smart. They put the wheel in the center. And so you would actually, the whole wheelbarrow, if you get it balanced, would balance. And so you're not holding any of
48:54 the weight yourself on the body, you're actually balancing your wheelbarrow in the center. And then a smooth path like that, they could get these wheelbarrows going like 40 to 60 miles an hour along these paths. And you kind of just ride it and like, you know, it's like playing an old Sega Genesis game. You kind of like lean and make it go on the path and roll. And that's another, you know, the rocks are plentiful. It's not like the same mineral resource. Plus, you're just like moving them around.
49:22 You're not actually burning them into the atmosphere, but you make a bunch of pavers and you could have a road system. So back in the day, they've had plenty of sophisticated technology that can be doing these things. And I'm not saying we have to go back to like just like pure, you know, barbarianism, but but understanding mineral resources, consumption, capitalism, communism and these true things, you know, small autonomous, you know, family communism type units.
49:52 You know, because your family is basically communist, if you think of it, you know, your community working together for the greater good of your family. But you start scaling that up and then you get, you know, even families don't today don't have that good cohesion, but scale it up. And then people start, you know, being, you know, cheating the system and stuff where, you know, there's only so big of a society that you can kind of manage without, you know, absolute corruption.
50:19 And I believe in our current society, it's like a game of musical chairs and all the chairs, except for like one or two. And there's there's hundreds of people going around this circle, like musical chairs, like and it's such good music that you just can't stop dancing going around the circle. It's just like, you know, like whatever music, each person is getting their own personalized music and all the chairs have been systematically removed. but they keep playing the music and as soon as the music no one's paying attention to the chairs
50:49 being removed but as soon as that music stops you're going to find out there's no chairs for anyone to sit on so the key right now to keep things going is keep playing that music and then start putting a microbe sprayer on and spraying as you're going around and regenerating the thing and having more trees grow so that you can make more chairs because the rest of the chairs are gone. Um, and that's an analogy for something else I core have a core belief in. Um, yeah. And roadside growth may be a huge resource, but they're, they're not managing that resource
51:25 as a resource. They're managing it as a problem just to cut down. Um, I never asked for likes, bro. What a terrible YouTuber. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, you know, it's funny. I, I, I find that the like that you like, if you know how to use YouTube, you would like it, right. And you would share it and you would subscribe. I mean, it's just, it's what you would do. I don't, I don't believe in just telling people. And the only thing I tell you to do is go do KNF and spread it and teach people. It's more valuable than likes. It's more valuable than growing my
51:57 channel. If people find this, they can tune into past episodes at knfsupport.com, which by the way, brings me to one more thing I did want to share with you guys, the KNF support thing, because I worked on it last week after I said that I was having trouble. So I went to go to knfsupport.com, knfsupport.com, and then I was complaining about the fact that I couldn't find these things. So, and there's now two search bars on the right side. There's one that's text answers that if I search this one, like JMS, for instance, it will pull up all these answers here. So meaning that these will
52:37 be like, and I bet you it's the goofman that answered this. Yup. He's, you're so awesome. Goofman. It's just like, look at this. Um, you know, it's telling, but this is the text answer. And if you, this is the best answer. If you like this one and you're logged in, you can actually upvote these answers. And it's this whole system here. Let's see if it'll let me log in. It's messed up on this one. Will it let me log in if I click over here? No, man. Okay. Well, apparently there's more I need to fix. Why is it giving me a four or three? Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm
53:12 not going to log in right now. I should probably fix that. But I did fix this over here where you can now search the office hour specifically. So if I wanted to search office hour past topic, for pigs, I can go into this search bar and it will now give me office hour results. And it tells you the timestamp of when, you know, at 35 minutes, 15 seconds in this video, I was talking about pigs and the ones that are, don't have search results is because of a case where some things are uppercase and lowercase. And that's something that I will fix. I've found the bug and I just
53:50 didn't fix it yet but anything that's lowercase because I searched pigs that way it'll find it so here you know this video 8 16 15 23 it will find um these and sort them for you so you don't get this huge long list you actually it's more efficient to search so searching back through past office hours is now much more efficient, effective, um, you know, talking of all this content. So if you're, you know, I think we're at like episode 90 or something means I've been doing this for like way too long. Um, and just giving it out and some people, you know, but
54:33 even here, so I'm making it even easier. You know, you're interested in pigs for tilling. you know we talked about that on january 30th at 54 minutes 51 seconds you know hope was up hope um yeah um so anyway there are all these offices are some some that don't have results that'll be fixed uh maybe today i might i might get to it um but trying to make these things better for everyone and make it easier to find material. So, um, yeah, using my farm, basically I, I, it's funny. I bought a bunch of mowing infrastructure.
55:17 Like I bought two nice Honda bagging mowers and a BCS with a sickle bar on the front. I mean the BCS is good for other things but I bought a sickle bar and um but I haven't been mowing I've been just moving my cows around I mean I do mow certain areas where like walkways and things that um you know it's like even if the cows graze it still you know still needs to be mowed because it's Hawaii and it grows fast. Um, but, um, yeah, so that's, um, yeah, grazing. If, if, you know, if we were really, yeah, if the county was really to get,
56:02 I mean, one, one problem here is that people are on the highway and they're going 60 miles an hour to wherever they're going, right? People aren't taking time to take care of the roadside and they think it's like, oh, the government's problem or something. And it's like, you forgot that we, the people are the government and that entity that we hire is probably less efficient at doing anything. And if we, the people took time to do these things, we'd be better off. Um, so yeah. Um, the lawn clippings are great mulch. Yeah. But the County is not using those ground,
56:39 clippings. We can use them. We can do those things. And that's why I have bagging mowers, because I'll bag the grass. Other way to do it too is to mow and then have a grass sweeper to come back and get the things. Yeah, no, and understanding that, you know, at least in America, you are the government and understanding how to implement these things better for us. are all vital so being a natural farmer um comes with a lot of responsibility because you now are your primary producer of everything here it's like sovereignty um and with great power comes
57:25 great responsibility or it should at least um but yeah anyone else got any other questions um hawkeye is asking about some natural capitalism uh yeah regenerative farming is um i mean every everything ultimately everything is natural capitalism right whether you own it or the state owns it it's still the private ownership of capital you know you could say the state is public but it's not it it turns into its own private corrupt entity and everything is natural I heard someone the other day say, well, I'm not indigenous. And I was like, what the hell do you
58:13 mean? Just because you have white skin and there's this meme out there that white people aren't indigenous. We come from the earth too. Everyone's indigenous to the earth. I'll have you know, just because we moved some other place and like, you know, I say we, cause you know, it's like, you know if i stay in hawaii long enough my skin will turn brown like um it has nothing to do you know everyone's indigenous to the earth and if we we all need to you know act that way not act like we're like alien planets coming in and so number one all capitalism's natural capitalism on a long
58:53 enough time scale and all people are indigenous you know on a short or long term time scale it's like you know you could say oh the the hawaiians here were indigenous well there were people living here then there were people that came on the uh canoes from tahiti and and you know it's like well who's the indigenous one right the tahitians or the hawaiians or you know it's like at a certain point we're all indigenous you know we all live here we're all you know invasive species it's it's like it's the best suited for that environment at this point because of the
59:31 degradation and when the indigenous species was living there it's because the conditions were there what facilitated it and it was invasive to something else you know everything's invasive or indigenous or whatever at a certain point, right? It's like, yeah, and your relatives, most our relatives are actually like microorganisms. And, you know, vast majority of me, 90% of my DNA is actually microorganism DNA. So if you're looking at the human genome to find your relatives, you're looking at only the minority, the 10% to find your relatives,
1:00:08 you should really look at the microscopic 90% of your relatives and your relatives are in your soil and it's when you have good soil that then you have good hereditary genetics and I'm going to live better, right? So looking around to be like, oh, I'm this person and that thing, it's like you're more related to the soil than you are to that person, okay? Just, you know, give it up and start looking and, you know, it's harder to see the soil. It's harder to realize you're related to it, but you definitely are. So yeah, Gaia theory, I think Gaia, you know, I've heard of
1:00:49 Gaia TV and they get into aliens and this weird stuff. So I'm not exactly sure of Gaia theory. I mean, living earth, clearly the earth's alive, the oil, maybe it's blood. It continues to go, but understanding that we are one with our earth, you know, corners of the mouth today, right? What you eat, what you put in your mind, you know, these ideas that were from the soil that were from there that we should be eating you know with our soil fresh water inner veins all this fire comes from water um i got to go up to lake wyow the other day um yeah walking mushrooms see
1:01:24 pretty much everyone that's tuned in here understands these ideas and is invested some way shape or form in regenerative agriculture in the best way they can teaching people getting out doing it. Yep. And all connected what's in our hearts. It's in our minds. You know, what you put in your mind, what you hear, what you listen to, it all makes a difference, right? So, um, oh, what you got? Oh, what you got? Oh, what you got? Um, I've been wondering about neem could be used as an additional component of OHN. Um, like you could, you could ferment and
1:02:11 tincture neem. Sure. Um, I think it's, it's going to be like, I wouldn't want to eat that, but just because neem is a little weird, but sure. Why not, um, do some neem. It's potent. It's good. Um, So I'd go with more like a herbal solution with neem or, you know, like neem cake, neem leaves, just even putting those around. You could, you know, don't, you know, one thing about the OHN is if you add other things besides the original five things, don't be calling it OHN because then it adds confusion. Yeah, make an herbal solution with it.
1:02:54 I mean, that would be probably the better way to do it because it's so potent. And if you boil it down to half and then spray it out that way, add a little soap into it, it's going to be good. So I will check that out. Yeah, super chats, Aaron. It's funny, YouTube is telling me this is the first super chat. Oh, maybe it's your first one. Oh, well, thank you. Yeah. Thanks. It's always nice. like so I was saying I don't promote this stuff enough to do it but I'll look that up Hawkeye I'll look up the Lynn stuff to get the original one before they made a thing on it
1:03:40 but Lynn Margulis I'll look her up I'll just put this in this browser over here Lynn Margulis American evolutionary biologist um see what wikipedia has to say um wikipedia the gaia hypothesis i'll open that in a new tab um james lovelock may as well look into him he looks cool look at him he looks english as all get out. Um, cool. So I'll look, I'll look up her, um, see, see what she did. Um, symbiotic, you know, it's always good to, to go to the root of this. Um, oh, she's a nine 11 truther. Yes.
1:04:31 Heck yeah. Anyone who's into nine 11 truth, they probably know what's up because Bush knocked down the towers. Uh, I don't know. It's just an immortal technique song. Someone, someone the other day was like getting all mad at me there's maybe someone's going to unsubscribe because um because i said that well it's on you buddy okay um let's let's answer this last question and then i'll be out for this week because thanks thanks everyone for tuning in uh last question from whole what what you got um about using nandina as a jsh jsh i don't know what nandina is i but i do have
1:05:12 the uh internet here and it looks like it is a bamboo a sacred bamboo so um five reasons you don't want it in your yard because you're not a natural farmer and you don't understand natural things bamboo like stems evergreen leaves okay three red berries oh red berries um i'm not sure i mean i have to learn more why do you put a banner up um here's the places you'll find it um well here's the five reasons finally after all that they get to the five reasons uh it's considered an invasive species well we just talked about how that is
1:05:57 a load of crock um so it's just there because it's more it's working better for it so and make your environment better and can thickets can crowd out native plants okay so these people don't understand ecology but that's okay um the berries can be toxic to birds and pets then definitely if they're toxic you could use this like the ginkgo that seems like a great um berries contains cyanide so don't uh heating it up will break down cyanide so i'm not sure if this is going to work for you uh if you're going to heat it up like a jss jhs uh look look into that um
1:06:39 um doesn't serve as a host plant has few local ecosystem benefits because they don't know how to ferment this thing and make more fertility out of it and they don't know how to make it into an herbal solution. These people, there are better native plant options. It sounds like this person is biased to like thinking native plants or like I just said, that's, it's just a bunk thing. I bet you this person would also call me a colonizer when actually I'm just a human indigenous person on this earth. And you know, we all are. And when we realize that, then we will all be better
1:07:16 because otherwise it's just racism to the highest degree. Once you have Nandina, it's hard to get rid of, to me, that sounds like an endearing, beneficial quality that you can just harvest it over and over and over and create more and more fertility from it and it won't go away and won't die. So I would say that this person, this website is a pessimist. You should become a natural farming optimist. If this person learned Korean natural farming, so who wrote this? Haley. Feel free to reach out to Haley Kim Balvo and let her know that she should learn about Korean natural farming.
1:07:53 She lives in San Antonio, Texas. So if you know her, let her know that she should tune in. And it's in almost every yard, which sounds great. They're spreading it. And it's a good thing. Ferment it, get it better, make it better. It's raging in the yard and pest-free, yeah, fermented, yeah, so hopefully I'm not too offensive to anybody, and I'm just being a realist, and I'm just trying to be a peacemaker that walks on both sides, you know, as, you know, but I'm sure I'm bound to piss off somebody somewhere, I'm sure, you know,
1:08:31 several people have hit unsubscribe, but probably more people have hit subscribe, because they're like, wow, that's actually a different way of thinking of it, I got to understand these different ideas. So thanks. Um, it might work as a ginkgo berry substitute. Um, yeah. Yeah. So go for it, ferment it, um, try it out. I don't know. Let us know. Um, I'm, I'm interested to hear. It seems like a good candidate. I would, if I had it growing in my yard and I had problems, I would try to use it. It looks beautiful by the way.
1:09:02 maybe I should import some Nandina. All the people are like, whatever, you know, everyone has their own opinions, man. Um, okay, cool. Well, I am going to, before I get out of here, I may as well, um, say that, you know, this is brought to you by Pure KNF Foundation, you know, without them, without this foundation, I wouldn't be, I might be here doing this, but probably not the same frequency I am. You can make a tax-deductible donation there if you want. Honor Master Cho, his legacy, putting natural farming into action.
1:09:42 It's really we exist to restore life through microbial awareness, education, and action. That's our mission. We stick to it. We do it. Brings you this. Brings you a lot of things. Here's the office hours. There's Willie. Good-looking guy, man. I can't wait for you to be here and visit. We're going to do so much good stuff today. I got a class coming up in November. If you're interested, knffarm.com. Um, and see you there. Um, yeah. Bokashi, Sheldon Farm. Hey, cool. You guys. Awesome. I hope you checked out the other
1:10:15 episode I talked about you guys. Um, it was good fun. You were at great emails. Um, a fallible human. Yeah. Um, you know, I always think about Jesus and how he was a carpenter and how he's perfect and he could just throw studs and they would just land in the exact spot and he could take the nail gun just without his eye with his eyes closed just bing bing bing just put them into perfect and just he was like the most epic framer in all of galilee um you know i aspire to that level of excellence all right guys thanks for tuning in thanks for being um thanks for being a
1:10:54 a great person okay i'm gonna get out of here before i get too real um fix the drone up do some other good things okay um which which one should i do i'm gonna i'm gonna open the curtain sounds pretty fun i'm gonna open this curtain bye