JADAM Sulfur Pesticide, Water Softening, Wetting Agent Test
Drake opens with a farm update: he sold the last three piglets and says he's done breeding pigs after 16 years, though he may still raise weaned pigs for meat and IMO production. He also shows off a mowing-robot project using RFM95W LoRa radios at 915 MHz to relay IMO data from the barn to a Raspberry Pi running Home Assistant, and reminds folks he'll be at the Hawaii Farmers Union Convention on Maui October 3-4, so there's no office hours that Sunday.
The main lesson continues Young Sung Cho's JADAM natural pesticide chapter: soap and sulfur, unlike neem, never lose effectiveness because pests can't build resistance to them. Cho's basic soap dilution runs from about 1000:1 (0.5 liter soap to 500 liters water) up to roughly 160:1 for full wetting power, and JADAM pesticides can be mixed with chemical or organic sprays as long as you run a mixture test first. A viewer, Dibajit, reported that JADAM sulfur solution worked against every disease he tried except potato late blight.
Water hardness gets the most attention: hard water full of calcium, magnesium, and iron keeps soap from sudsing and wastes the sulfur and herbs, so Drake walks through Cho's home tests: dropping soap into a water sample to check foam and clarity, spraying a mix on glass to check wetting power, and running a mixture test (5cc of each pesticide per half-liter bottle) and a concentration test (about 1:1000 on a single plant) before treating a whole field. He also covers Cho's cup test, diluting pesticide across a row of cups to find the lowest dose that kills a pest, and notes a home pesticide lab costs about $50 in cups, dishes, and a pH meter, closer to several thousand dollars today after inflation.
Questions answered
- 5:23 What's the plan for pig breeding on the farm now? — Sold the last three piglets and is getting out of breeding pigs after 16 years, though he may still raise weaners for meat and IMOs.
- 6:58 What's the setup for the mowing robot's remote signal? — Using RFM95W LoRa radios at 915 MHz to send IMO buddy data from the barn to a Raspberry Pi running Home Assistant.
- 17:20 Why do JADAM pesticides rely mainly on sulfur and soap? — Pests and diseases can't build resistance to sulfur or soap even with repeated use, unlike neem, which loses effectiveness over time.
- 21:10 Can JADAM pesticide be mixed with chemical or organic sprays? — Yes, Cho says JADAM soap, sulfur, and herb solutions are compatible with chemical or organic pesticides, but always run a mixture test first.
- 30:31 Does JADAM sulfur solution work on potato late blight? — A viewer, Dibajit, said JADAM sulfur worked on every disease he tried except potato late blight.
- 34:20 Why does water hardness matter for spraying pesticide? — Hard water full of calcium, magnesium, and iron won't let soap suds, wasting the sulfur and herbs, so use a water softener or rainwater.
- 34:59 When is the best time to spray natural pesticide? — Spray when it's humid, like right before or after rain, so the mixture doesn't evaporate too fast off the leaves.
- 37:12 How do you test at home if your water is soft enough? — Drop a few drops of soap into a bottled water sample and shake it; clear water with lots of foam means soft, cloudy and clotted means hard.
- 41:49 How do you check if a pesticide mix has good wetting power? — Spray it on glass or a mirror; beading into droplets can sunburn leaves and misses coverage, spreading out evenly means it's working.
- 48:40 Where can you get a JADAM water softener unit? — Email jadamorganic@gmail.com and ask for Hyun Ho Cha; the unit uses ion-exchange resin to strip calcium, magnesium, and iron.
- 51:45 Do you need to store rainwater specially before spraying it? — No, plain rainwater in an IBC tote works fine; it just loses some oxygen over time, which stirring or bubbling before use fixes.
- 54:12 How do you run a mixture test before combining pesticides? — Put 5cc of each pesticide into a half-liter bottle of water, shake, and check it foams clear with no clotting before combining.
- 55:45 How do you run a concentration test before spraying a field? — Mix at roughly 1:1000, spray it on a single plant, and check for leaf marks or stress before treating the whole field.
- 57:12 What is JADAM's cup test for finding pesticide dose? — Dilute a pesticide across a row of cups at rising concentrations, then test each on the pest in a petri dish to find the lowest working dose.
- 1:00:24 How much does a home pesticide-testing lab cost to set up? — About $50 in cups, dishes, syringes, a scale, and a pH meter, though inflation puts that closer to several thousand dollars today.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Intro & I Ching: Hexagram of Increase
- 4:36 Farm Update: Selling the Last Piglets
- 6:58 Mowing Robot & LoRa Radio Setup
- 11:48 Hawaii Farmers Union Convention on Maui
- 12:33 JADAM Natural Pesticides: Overview
- 17:20 Why Sulfur and Soap Beat Resistance
- 21:10 Mixing JADAM With Chemical or Organic Sprays
- 24:58 PIMO and JADAM's Full Pest List
- 28:20 Mr. Cha's Farm Photos and Demo Crops
- 34:20 Soft Water vs Hard Water for Pesticide
- 34:59 Best Time of Day to Spray
- 37:12 Home Soap Test for Water Softness
- 41:49 Wetting Power Test on Glass
- 48:40 Getting a JADAM Water Softener Unit
- 51:45 Rainwater Storage for Spraying
- 54:12 How to Run a Mixture Test
- 55:45 How to Run a Concentration Test
- 57:12 JADAM's Cup Test for Dosing
- 1:00:24 Cost of a Home Pesticide Lab
- 1:02:32 Wrap-Up and Next Week's Topics
Transcript
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0:30 Hey, good morning. Welcome to the office hour. for Korean Natural Farming. This is September 29th, 2024. Coming at you live for a whole hour of gathering of good people, talking about good things, doing microbes,
1:15 getting into some madadge, probably. Most likely. Definitely. And an hour so you can ask any questions you want. Got some good folks in the house. What's up, Mark? Yo. Good to see you, man. just talking about you the other day, um, you know, your, uh, your test to understand if something is well-constructed or not. Susan and I were, uh, discussing that, and, uh, so, Cecily, how's it? Yeah, good to see you. Um, the like button is going a great way. Oh, the like button, like button. Yeah, yeah. What's up, goof? How's it?
1:56 how's everybody surviving? I don't know. I wonder, um, I wonder, look like there's some gnarly, uh, hurricanes and such. We survived a hurricane just the other day, and, uh, it's like Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, all those places just got hammered, so hopefully they're doing okay. more natural farming helped the water run off easier. But before we get into it today, let's see here. One speed. Let us get into a bit. Fire wisdom. And today, today is I increase.
2:44 A powerful improvement are underway. The coming of the hexagram I signifies a period of increase when the power of heaven descends to surround and invigorate our lives. Like all phases, this too will come to an end. But if we make hay while the sun shines, tremendous progress can be made at this time. It is in the nature of human beings to relax and become careless when things begin to go well. The I Ching teaches us that we should not do this if we desire the fullest blessing of the beneficial hour.
3:27 Indeed, our rewards are multiplied if we increase our conscientiousness in auspicious times rather than decrease it. There are two ways in which the I Ching especially encourages us to do this. Our first task is to make sacrifices for others. In all your interactions now, embody generosity in thought and in action. Forgive what is inferior in others and seek out the good. By giving, encouraging, and assisting, you will draw the superior person in everyone into devoted action.
4:12 Your second task during this time of increase is to go on strengthening yourself. As thunder and wind strengthen each other. This means that if you see something good in another, you imitate it. When you discover something inferior in yourself, you eliminate it. these simple practices if continued conscientiously over time will improve your character and fortunes immeasurably through service and self-improvement you assure yourself of great progress in the days ahead so yeah increasing all the time getting better just like that uh thing yeah all right good to
5:08 see the family assembling everyone good good things happening um farm update i just uh we sold our pigs yesterday the three three little three little porkers that were left on the farm got sold. I still have, um, the grandmother and the mother. Uh, but I don't think I'm going to be breeding pigs anymore. And all these years doing pigs since 2008, I've been doing pigs. And finally, I think I'm getting out of it. I don't know. It's kind of bittersweet. It's good, good in a way. Uh, but also we've been enjoying the sausage and met a good guy yesterday and
5:52 It seems like the baby pig market is pretty firing out there. So, I don't know. We'll see. Economically, raising pigs. They make good IMOs. They do good things. But they eat a lot of food. It takes a lot of effort to keep them going. So, I may end up buying just a wean-off and continue to raise pigs that way. But I think I'm getting out of the breeding realm for pigs. I'll put it that way. Getting out of the breeding room. Not going to have baby pigs anymore. The travesty. But, you know, you've got to do what you've got to do. Put your energy where it makes the most sense.
6:37 Increase, do the right things, you know. Trying to, at least. So, yeah. And other news? What else? yeah it's pretty much happening on the farm and uh yeah i've been trying to work on the mowing robot i know i haven't updated that for a long time but you got these little i can pull it up here oh got this little antenna here it's a uh RFW, RFM95W actually, RFM95W sends out, uh, Laura signals. I don't know if anyone's into, uh, MeshTastic, anything like that. And then this little Pi Pico down here, you see it flashing.
7:27 It is sending out, um, data to ping. And then this antenna right here actually goes up all the way to the roof. It's on a disc cone antenna up on my roof tuned. I mean, it's, it has good SWR in the 915 megahertz window, which is what I'm broadcasting on here. But, um, getting some Laura radio set up because I used to have wifi up at the barn, but, um, but man, it's so dusty and so harsh of an environment, so moist up there that the antenna failed. So I'm trying to set that up so I can send the IMO buddy data down here to where I have a Raspberry Pi running right
8:17 under here with Home Assistant on it to keep track of all that. So we'll see. These LoRa antennas, pretty interesting. We'll see if we can get that transmission distance. they say they can go like 270 kilometers but we'll see it is very line of sight dependent and i barely have line of sight so we'll see what happens but uh might have to get a higher gain antenna for my sending side but anyway been working on the little the mobot a little bit i realized that uh yeah to send correction data it's pretty i'm gonna have to get a more robust system than just that.
8:57 Because if the mower goes out of connection, it could run things over and be pretty gnarly. And these little, I have these little sick radios, that's what they're called, but silicon, whatever it is. But it does not, it's in the wrong frequency. It's, it's, it's, they're European. They're like 800, 860 megahertz. where I need 915 megahertz. Anyway, um, you know, when you buy something off the Amazon and it says it's this and it's not, it's like, oh, whatever. Um, I'm running Raspberry Pi 4s. I have a couple
9:35 of them. I also have a Pi Zero. This thing's fun. It's a little Pi Zero. Um, but I have 4s. I know I didn't upgrade the fives yet. Hey, what up? Hey, man, how's the hurricane down there? Florida, Florida check-in. And also, Chris Anthony, man, he, Tennessee, it looks like Asheville area got hammered with rain. But my Pi 4s, man, I love them. Went for a run in it. Must not have been that bad, but cool. It was like, yeah. Yeah, the Pi Zero is super fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I once took a Pi Zero and hooked it up to a camera inside of an IMO box to watch it grow.
10:27 It would have these lights that would flash on every minute or every five minutes or so. Took a bunch of photos. That was pretty cool to watch the IMO box grow, like, inside the IMO box. But, you know, pretty cool, man, if you know how to program a little microcomputer. but always fun, you know, bridging the gap between old technology, farming, high technology. It's funny because this stuff breaks all the time. Hey, thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Super chat. Thank you. Thank you. Keeps this show ad free, you know, besides the Pure Canif Foundation and what they do
11:03 for us. Canif support all those good things. So let's see. Should we just dive into Madag, try and get done with it this year? I think so. There's no questions. We'll, uh, we'll get there. So let's see here. Pull up the Madag presentation. Oh, other, other last thing before I jump into Madag is, um, I got, I'm going to be at the Hawaii Farmers Union United Convention on Maui October 3rd and 4th. So next weekend. So I won't be doing office hours next weekend because I will Beyond Maui doing live stuff and getting into the Farmers Union, which if you're not a member of the
11:48 Hawaii Farmers Union, no matter where you are, you should be. It's a great organization. They do good things. They're pushing regenerative ag for America through the RALF Committee, which is the regenerative ag. I don't know what the L stands for or the F, but Vincent Mina founded that, and it is a, you know, pushing regenerative ag on the national stage in the Farmers Union. So what could be cooler? So I will be there with, I think, Bredren Logan. He's going to be there live too. So Maui, Maui College next weekend, be there. So anyway, let's jump into some adage here. Madage time, madage time.
12:33 So I've got the book here, but I've got the slides there. and, uh, yeah, yeah, support. Yeah. Thanks. Mark, Mark appreciates it. It's good. Super chats, good. Keep this ad free, you know, otherwise you'll just be listening to ads the entire time. Who wants to do that? Um, so we're getting into damn natural pesticides, right? We went through, We learned about, you know, how he doesn't do any nutrient cycle, but then he does nutrient cycle. But in a crude way, we learned all about Madag.
13:13 We've been doing Madag this entire year, learning about, you know, this side with the leaf rust and this side without it right next to each other, you know. And that's what people say, like, oh, you have disease. You got to cut all this down versus you just treat it right. you put microbes, you put the right, uh, treatments up there and you can grow it right next door. So this whole idea of contagion and, um, you know, not necessary. So here's his rule, fill it up with the same thing. We went through this fire. I, this was the slide again. That's
13:47 the one that I, I think I resonated with the most in this entire presentation so far is slide 152, the farming about balance, the, you know, what you put in, nutrition and microbes, and then as above, so below, these alchemical concepts. So we're getting into the natural pesticide. I thought we went a little bit further through this. Pretty sure we did. Pretty sure we did. We went through this, didn't we? A little bit. Because we went through this soap. I remember this. I remember this. And then we went down and we got into how it was organic
14:26 certified. We already went through this, right? Sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide. I remember I was here last week. Oh man, the hurricane ripped off the leaves. Time for can of fuel. And also it's EPA certified. And then he also has a thing from the king of Korea. Yeah, formal letter from the king of the ministry of agriculture saying, Mr. Cho, as a main lecturer for this. Can anyone read that? What does it actually say? I don't know. Should ask chat. Oh yeah, and then he reduced the thing from 10,000 to 200.
15:09 And then this, I couldn't find it, man. I looked at this for like probably half hour into this city, trying to find this one place. That looks super obvious. You should be able to find this, but this was in, uh, uh, Bongha village right near Busan. So it's nice. We went through their, um, pesticide chart. This, this, this was just, I thought these were interesting. So if you screenshot this, you can grab the, um, the cost estimates, what it would cost you to farm this way. and understanding that they're just different in size. Okay, so this is where we left off, though. This was it.
15:52 This was it. Use ingredients that are food or medicine for human. So, Jedi and natural pesticides. Use ingredients that are food or medicine to human. I'm not sure how sodium or potassium hydroxide fit into that, but this is definitely Master Cho. This is what Master Cho does. I don't know. Young Sung Cho seems to be a little bit different here. Because, yeah, the medicine is those herbs, right? Garlic, ginger, cinnamon, licorice, angelica, right? Can of medicine. Or the food, right? Making it from ginger, making it from all the healthy things, and just focusing on feeding. So,
16:35 So, jenna and natural pesticides are nutrients for crops. So, he's saying that, you know, as the soap breaks down and all those things, they're nutrients. As the herbs are diluted, it's a nutrient. It's a lot better than putting out chemical contaminants, that's for sure. And they do not build up resistance from pests from repeated use. Now, this is an actual, this is a really good key thing here. Key here. because sulfur is one of the things that has always been out there. You know, it occurs in nature. Just you go up to the volcano, you'll find all those crystals near the steam vents.
17:20 And sulfur, it turns out to be one of the best pesticides and also fungicides. So high concentrations of sulfur. although I do think there are probably extremophiles that can eat it. But the thing is that nothing can gain resistance over repeated use. I don't know what other pesticides are out there that things can gain resistance to. I don't know. Can anyone name a pesticide that things can gain resistance to. I don't know, but basically soap and sulfur, nothing can resist them. And so you can use them over and over and over again. The thing about using sulfur over and over and over
18:04 again is you do degrade your microbiome. So you got to, after you apply sulfur, you should come back with microbes. These are easy to make at home. I would sort of contest this, that they're easy to make at home because if you're into like brewing things that get like hundreds of degrees start boiling and off gas you have to wear a gas mask you have to wear eye protection gloves everything so easy to make at home i would say natural farming stuff like master cho's recipes are easy to make at home never heard someone uh getting chemical poisoning for making ohn besides
18:44 Maybe you drank too much alcohol or you cut yourself with a glass or a knife or something. Maybe. I mean, but those are pretty basic versus this is like you're brewing a witch's cauldron. In fact, I cut out that part of the video, but I should show that part of the video where it's just like exploding in people's faces. Yeah, cool. Eyewitness is going to be volunteering at a farm to do KNF. Yeah, man, do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Our very low cost. Now this one, this one you can't really argue with. They are pretty much as cheap as you can get them.
19:21 You know, even the sulfur, they're basically throwing that away. But, you know, you can't beat the ultra low cost. Jadam always comes in, Madag is always coming in number one for very low cost. And are highly effective in pest control. This is also true. they're highly effective because you blend it puts you in the driver's seat of being the pesticide expert you blend the pesticides specifically for the pest you have and try and get the minimum level that will be effective and so because you can blend your own you can make
20:00 it highly effective to control whatever pests if you look in the back of this book here he is talking about all kinds of different pests like canker, black spot, aphids, mites, um, what else? Leafhoppers, plant hoppers, moths, uh, stink bugs, thrips, whitefly, turnip moths, suckers, fruit onions, slugs, snails. So you're tuning each of these are slightly different recipe. Although when I say slightly different, I mean slightly different. It's basically just upping the dose each time. But, um, but you put those things in there and highly effective because
20:36 you are making them custom to what you're doing. So the low cost and the effectiveness, he's definitely doing these. Um, so this is the basic platform of, uh, what do you got here? Um, I don't know why. Okay. So let's just read the bottom first. It says, JADAM natural pesticide can be used with commercial chemical pesticide and organic pesticide. When mixing together or using, when mixing or using together, always do a prior mixture test and concentration test. So he's saying, you know, you can just cowboy up. I don't know if you would
21:16 still fit into organic, what do you call it, like regulations and those things or the chemical regulations, you got to check with your, um, local authorization of suicide squad. Um, what is it called? The chemical guys. Um, you probably have a state body that regulates, um, chemicals and, or some sort of government that tells you exactly how much poison you can put on the earth. And that's legal because a little bit more than that would be illegal, but, um, but check out, you know, don't violate those rules. But he's basically saying that the soap, the Medaj soap,
21:57 the Medaj sulfur, and the Medaj herb solution is compatible with any kind of chemical stuff or organic stuff. So that's cool. You're not having to like be on your own. You can also like double stack them and, you know, what do they call it? Yeah, anyway, just get gnarly. I don't recommend any of this. I don't recommend any of this. I'm just reading it for completeness. I don't recommend it. Oh, so neem loses its efficiency with repeated use. Okay. I didn't know that. But sulfur will not. So if you're using neem, you probably could use sulfur instead.
22:41 Yeah. And the idea, I get that, of whether it's organic or chemical, it's really just, yeah the whole idea I think avoiding all pesticides and all herbicides in general because yeah good point there Nathan Nathaniel good point so here's the developed by his Madag National Pesticide Institute which is basically him and Mr. Cha has developed all these new methods new products and methods, but they're just, it's just sulfur and it's just, um, it's just sulfur soap and maybe some rock salt, rock dust and, um, and some herbs.
23:32 Uh, but they've been doing it since 2003. Uh, and so these are, he's gone to places and he's killed these things where it says natural sulfur, no heating. That's some BS right there because you heat it with sodium hydroxide natural wetting agent no heating again you're heating it with potassium hydroxide so when he says no heating he means no like no gas to heat it right like you're not burning um you know uh propane or whatever to make these i think he's saying like you don't put it over in a pot and cook it but you do put a pot and you do a chemical
24:07 reaction, which is probably even more dangerous, but, um, but more effective. So, um, just saying, um, he made the natural microbes with potatoes. That's awesome. That liquid fertilizer made without sugar or molasses, because he doesn't understand why you'd use the sugar or molasses. He just rots things and they're putrefying. They're disgusting. Okay. But I should just get over it. Okay. That's everything he does. It's disgusting, but every episode I have to be like, yeah he doesn't understand master cho and it's disgusting sorry anyway you're probably over it
24:39 by now it's been a whole year of me saying that same thing um but he did canker leaf spot aphids mites stink bugs mealy bugs flatheads flaccid plant hoppers um pesticide for rice you know you just mix the sulfur in for um seed seed problems so if you're having problems with your seed and you want to take seed from a diseased plant you can soak it in his sulfur solution and then sow it and it'll get rid of those diseases between generations on plants. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Stone Mason is talking about using what they call PIMO, pesticide IMO.
25:25 although yeah who knows yeah but yeah if you just train your microbes to eat bugs they'll eat bugs so yeah I talked about that years ago when we were doing GCM and before that and complete fertilizer program for crops although this is like a really low tech gnarly fertilizer program for crops but he just likes he likes to proclaim all this stuff rice bacchanal disease microbe made with mixed grains yeah so you can make microbes with any starch actually i'm not sure he's aware of that um pesticides against powdery mildew downy mildew yep you know
26:13 so lactobacillus would work but instead he kills it with sulfur that's great tobacco math um slug snails, rice water wheel, eliminating flies from livestock housing. I have yet to see that and using naphthalene pesticide. I think this is what his dad was talking about using diesel in, uh, you know, those, uh, like, uh, Chinese rose beetles that come at night, uh, and he, or whatever rose beetles that come at night, um, and putting, uh, diesel in there with soap and they kill those. So here is his Jadam demonstration farm. So look at those tomatoes
26:55 firing. They're probably coated in sulfur. Who knows how they taste? Let's think that maybe he did just microbes on those, but very little disease, a little bit of leaf girl there. But look at these nice tomatoes, man, that is a lot of fruit coming off there. Those look like nice variety of tomatoes firing. Um, can you make whiskey with mixed grains? You can make alcohol with mixed grains for sure. I don't know if whiskey, you can make that. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chitin, chitin is naturally out there when you get, um, when you get good,
27:35 good IMOs, they have chitin developing microbes. That's why there's no, um, like I have fire ants here, but the fire ants don't go into the pig pens because there's so many microbes that the microbes will dissolve the ants, and so they don't even go in there. It's pretty amazing. But let's just let Young Song Cho flex a little here. He's flexing with his tomatoes. Nice looking tomatoes. You can't argue with that. And then let's see. Oh yeah, there. Oh, Sona. What's up, Sona. And this is Mr. Cha. He's his chemical expert. What is he holding in his hand? Scissors.
28:17 He is snipping things. Look at that towel. He's staying cool in the heat. And that visor, dang dude. Mr. Cha has style. And those boots, oh my gosh. Mr. Cha, he is stylish. And Sona, man, look at those guns. Sona is like a ninja, man. I would not mess with Sona. And that van, the Jadam van. Look at that. These are diesel minivans. That is pretty cool. And what is that? Some okra? I don't know. There's tomatoes. What is that? No, nice corn. Look at that. It's taller than Mr. Cha.
29:03 Look at that air quality, though. This is Korea. This is Tejan for you. I think it's Tejan. I'm not sure. It could be somewhere out there. good air quality um end up with big fire ant piles because such a nuisance to break off pups yeah yeah um the ants man um hey folks what's up so um he does have a fire ant recipe oh what's up robbie robbie man this dude he's cool he has such a great indian accent and what is that is Is that cucumbers? It's got to be cucumbers, right? Nice cucumbers, Robbie. Yeah, and look at those peppers behind them. What's up, Robbie? And then Young Song himself flexing.
29:50 Yes, yes. I think this is the farm they had in Tejon. Pretty sure, because there was this overpass, and then there's a river behind them. But I think that's the KTN, man. That's the bullet train. It goes 200 kilometers an hour. um all the plastic he puts down doing it you know um growing nice stuff look at that night man his phone is huge but then look at that he got this one pesticide mix there and the other there like a cowboy double shooter and the nice shin shin um yeah nice good flex oh look at that nice
30:31 melon there. Yeah, nice. Oh, yeah. So, so, Dibat is saying, Dibajit, Dibajit is saying, I used, uh, Jadam sulfur and it works on every single disease except potato late blight. Interesting. Um, you know, those nice peppers. This is, this is a pretty good flex. He already showed this picture and already showed that picture, but why not include it again in a mosaic? Um, you can be my Huckleberry. I don't know what you mean, man. Trying to pick me up. Uh, so, oh yeah, yeah. So this is, this is the kit he rolls with, right? So this is,
31:14 this is what he does here. He has his different things. So he is now in the field. This is not, Um, Ted John, I'm, I'm certain of that because, um, but he travels around and he goes from place to place and he'll bring a kit and these are different herbs that are mixed. And then he has a spray bottles and he has ways to adjust the concentration. He'll go to a farm and he'll grab a little bit of the bugs that he's trying to kill and throw them in a, um, Petri dish and then mix up different batches and then do spray tests and then see what kills the bugs and what doesn't kill the plants.
31:52 And then once he has that, then he'll load it in a bigger sprayer and spray all those things. So this here is basically what I have here. I was going to show you. It's actually, it's under a bunch of stuff. It's under my Mobot and things. But I have another kit where it's just a bunch of maybe, let's say, six ounce bottles. all these different herbs the sulfur the soaps the whole test kit which which you can see it in previous episodes i'm just i'm not going to get it right now it's under it's under a box of
32:27 electronics that i'm not going to lift up no way not not live at least um so and then here this is you know these are his different herbs i guarantee it so these are different herbs that he's made these herbal solutions that he's then bottled up, labeled very nicely. And these are his nice secretary ladies. And then here's these little kits that he makes for folks. So this is like a do-it-at-home pest kit, syringe, spray bottle, some different herbs. That's probably the soap and probably the sulfur and probably different herbs. Or maybe it's just the salt. Let's see, Let's read what it says.
33:06 Jadam brainstorming. We have experimented with many herbs to find the best ones. Farmers work closely together with us. We sent herb samples to 40 farming households and collected data from them. Slowly, Jadam pesticide system was established. This is a product of collective intelligence. left is Ngong Suk Kim right is Sang Hee Yi both your damn staff oh man yeah cool these two ladies making up pest kits and then all his little bottles behind him these are the things that he just has around just to flex on people I don't think they actually use these
33:52 maybe they do but they look like they're more display just to flex it's always important You know, if you've discovered a thing and you want to be innovative, you just proclaim it from the rooftop. I did something. Look at me. So important points in using damn natural pesticides. So good water, which he means soft. Make sure it's soft, not hard, is extremely important. So putting a water softener in line is very important. Otherwise, your soap will not suds. It'll have too much calcium in it. It just won't suds.
34:27 too much minerals and it won't sud so put a water softener in line it'll also help everything absorb more nutrients with soft water versus hard water hard water if you ever studied water which is a whole nother besides poop we should get into water because water is a whole nother topic that's like super important of like the maturity of water um if you ever looked up victor schauberger and um he talks about when water comes out of the ground when it's a spring and it's ready and it's mature water that comes out that's the best water but if you're just tapping a line down and tapping
35:05 it you're getting immature water and it's not ready yet and it comes out hard and it's like it's a very unnatural process to tap down into an aquifer and suck that water up and even though we think we're all like sophisticated and stuff doing that. It's actually another reason for our decline of health is we're using the wrong water instead of using soft, good, mature water. We're using immature, hard water. Spray pesticides when it's humid. So it's another important thing in using natural pesticides. It's a spray when it's humid because otherwise, why? It'll evaporate too
35:44 fast. You want it to stay there and to have enough time to stay on the plants. So it doesn't mean spray when it's raining. It means spray when it's humid, right before it rains, right after it rains, when it's humid. And it's like a sauna out there. Always perform mixture and concentration tests. So this is very important. So if you've done it, you know, a couple of times and you know it works. You know, you got a certain bug and you mix it this way and then you concentrate it this way. And spray it. So you spray it on your plant, make sure it doesn't kill your plant and spray it
36:22 on the bug, make sure it kills the bug. And where those two converge, where it doesn't kill your plants, but it does kill the bugs. And at the lowest level of concentration, that's the one you want to use. Effective. And if you can make it foam, it's even better. So So sample of the soap for water testing. Do not know what this says. 100 herbs, I think, is what it is. Nature.net. Jadam soap. So I think this is going to show how to use soap to test whether your water is hard or not. right like can you just touch it and be like it's hard no you have to mix soap in so this here yeah
37:12 so this one over here very soft water you can see how clear the water is and how sudsy it got you just put um yeah a few drops so you get your get your water in bottles clear bottles and you put a few drops of the soap in there so just maybe like four or five drops in there try and make it consistent across batches of how much, how many drops you put in there. Uh, and then shake it up real good. Shake it up just like a shake weight, just shake it, you know. Um, and then any, there should be lots of foam. So this one here, very good water. This is a way you can just do a water
37:49 test at home without having to use any, um, chemical strips or anything. You can just use the soap. And this one over here is very hard water. So, and these are probably shaken all at the same time, I would imagine. And these ones here, you see how cloudy it is? The cloudier it is, the worse it's going to be. So the clear water with the soap like that, that's what you want. This nice soft water and determines the quality of the pesticide. So if you were using this over here, you're going to get very little effect. You're going to waste all that sulfur, all those
38:22 herbs everything all your soap it's all a waste if your water is not soft like this so if you're using well water definitely run a water softener you're using rain water nothing to do bro you're using matured water good stuff so um water has to be clear after mixing what the hell are we looking at soft water when mixed with the soap and the sulfur will remain clear and have good foam this indicates a good quality pesticide bubbles are key in pesticide bubbles are key are the key bubbles you know um bubbles let's see let's let's uh let's do this and let's search
39:15 bubbles this bubbles or where's the bubbles I was looking for it's the trailer park boys bubbles bubbles are key bubbles this is the key to natural pesticides right here bubbles bubbles are key let's uh let's just grab this guy let's see here Hang on one sec.
40:05 Come on. You're not going to let me do that? Okay, we'll just do it this way then. Everyone who's listening is wondering what's happening. Everyone who's watching sees. Oh, no. The bubble's got to be on this side, actually. Okay. So water has to be clear after mixing soft water. So when you have lots of bubbles, it indicates good quality pesticide. Bubbles are the key in pesticide. And then if it's clotting like this, clotting means problems. If water's not good, clotting can happen.
40:51 You must change to soft water. rainwater is typically soft water if you use clotted this clotted pesticide you will have bad results and many blocked nozzles so if you're mixing the pesticide up and it's clotting um you know maybe maybe you shouldn't have done the jab but anyway um but uh yeah so you have bad results so if if it's looking like that in in clumping up then you're just it's it's a water softening problem. So just the key is to soften your water. Yeah, bubbles. Powerpuff Girl bubbles. Oh, okay. Yeah, there's many bubbles. We should, yeah. I was thinking to this guy. I just trailer
41:37 park boys, man. What a good show. Okay. Let's see here. Tombstone went way over Drake's head. I don't know. Maybe I wasn't even reading it. Oh, oh, maybe, maybe I don't watch HBO, man. So anyway, so you want it to be non-clotty like this clear. Look how nice and clear that is. You can see the bottom of the jar. I think this is looking from the top down and this one, you can see it's all clotted up. So don't use that hard water, throw it out. And then um, wedding property test. Okay. So pesticide with weak wedding power will form droplets.
42:19 This leaves marks on the plants and causes concentration stress. Yeah. So basically he just sprayed this on glass or a mirror or something. And you see how it's just, um, bubbling up. If, if you have a pesticide and instead of spreading over the leaf surface, It forms these little small things. Not only does it dry and leave residue because it wasn't well spread out and it was too concentrated in certain areas, but also this can cause sunburn because the sun is magnified through a water droplet. It can sunburn your plant and cause a lot of stress.
43:01 And then also it just doesn't get good coverage, right? If there's microbes here, they're not getting covered by this. There's microbes there. There's pests there. There's pests there, right? So you just spray it on a mirror. But however, if you do, oh, so this is what it looks like, right? So if you're seeing a bunch of this type of stuff out there, you need to use softer water and more wetting agent, more surfactant in there. Val Kilmer. Oh, man. Yeah, maybe I haven't seen that movie. I'm sorry. HBO. Okay.
43:34 maybe it's not HBO. I thought it was, I thought it was like a show, maybe it was Deadwood or whatever I was thinking of. I don't know. I thought it was like a thing. Um, I don't know. I don't know, man. Um, I'm, I'm only somewhat media savvy these days. Um, but yeah, you see stuff like this, it is an indication you need to soften that water and or, uh, add more surfactant, but softening water is going to be, so this is the difference. Look at that coverage. It's still, you know this is where you can see where the drops hit but they spread out so let's look at
44:06 that again let's look at the bad versus the good right so look at that this nice spread out evenly coated evenly strong wetting power means everything is evenly coated so if you're wondering whether your pesticide is good or not this is the concentration test sprayed on a piece of glass or mirror that's kind of hydrophobic and if it looks like this you need to soften that water and or add more soap. And when it looks like this, you got it good. And so that's one way to do a at-home test. Oh, we got Grow Organic from Karachi. What's up, Bridget? How's it?
44:49 So again, here is, you know, this one where there's not much soap in it, more soap, and even more soap, okay? So he's saying, you know, if you do it right, you can even go and coat waterproof leaves like taro, which is hydrophobic, right? It just, it kind of pools up water on it, but you add enough soap and it spreads out over the leaf surface. So you can get more nutrients in this way and or the pesticide is much more effective in spreading out. Look at all that area versus this. There's so many areas undone and there's huge concentrations in these
45:20 one dots and then this one's all spread out. So he's saying pesticides need to coat the target in order to be effective. They're just clumping and ain't gonna workin'. Workin'. Early 90s, man. Yeah, I guess maybe I should have seen it. I just didn't see it, man. Maybe my wife and I will watch that. Maybe. We'll see. If it's on BitTorrent, I will watch it. The greatest cinematic moment. I think the greatest cinematic moment in history is when jim carrey walks out of the the um or lloyd christmas walks out of the
46:01 convenience store and is like big gulps huh well see you later i that has to be the most cinematic miss moment in history i mean you know fight me man um so let's see here so he's saying um so to increase wetting power you must use soft water okay we've already established that The more soap you add, the more wetting power it has. I'm sure there's an upper limit to this, though. I don't know if you use just straight soap, what would happen? I don't know. Picture on the left is 0.5 liters of soap mixed with 500 liters of water. So what is that? A thousand to one ratio.
46:43 Thousand to one is this one here. Okay. The center is 1.5 liter and the right is 3 liter. So by increasing, what is 3 divided by 500? Did I do this right? No, no, 500 divided by 3. So he's using about 160 to 1 ratio. 160 to 1 ratio here, and this is what he's getting. um so you have to significantly increase it right 160 to 1 versus a thousand to 1 thousand 1 ain't going to do much for you um and then what is that that's uh
47:31 240 like 250 to 1 but 120 was it anyway i think it's 120 to 1 oh there's an argument okay um so here here you know if your water ain't soft enough uh you know just call bill gates uh he'll micro soft your water um but here's a water softener you can put this in line right in your thing got a little filter there uh water comes in goes through this thing and it gets rid of the calcium magnesium and iron they're not suitable for pesticide and very little form foam will form in hard water so let bill gates microsoft it for you
48:23 the penetrative penetration effect of pesticide will be low jadam water removes those things from the water with an ion exchange resin that's what's in this is a bunch of resin balls in here and then resulting in soft water and with lots of foam. And it is excellent for use as a pesticide. So if you want one, jadamorganic at gmail.com and ask for Hun Ho Cha. See Mr. Cha? Hyun Ho. Hyun Ho Cha. And then this thing here, this is a 60-pound unit. So he brought one of these over with him and we have one. I don't know if we ever put it because we just use rainwater, bro. It's not that hard.
49:08 Rainwater, I mean, just falls out of the sky. Just get a big tank, catch it. So this is what he started with, the hard water, and then he ran it through his water softener. And then now look how soft that is. Oh, man, just luxuriously soft. Oh, the luxury over here. so chemical pesticide are also affected by the quality of water yeah so you know any no matter what you're spraying man if you're doing hard water it's just it's a hard time um yeah it's that you guys are suffering from some mandel mandelbrot effect or no what is it uh
49:54 Mandela effect. Mandela effect, not the Mandelbrot effect. But maybe the Mandelbrot effect. Finding a different fractal in the matrix. And what is this? Foam test for commercial synthetic... You know, yeah. So here's doing some foam test. Which one foamed better, that one? I don't know. Anyway. and uh oh so he's saying the relative humidity what is this at midnight midnight has the highest humidity it's best to apply early morning or late evening on humid and cloudy days so he's watching the humidity go was that noon noon has the lowest humidity now right there
50:45 looks like it's like midnight though when it has the highest humidity so he's saying apply you know evening or morning. I guess the morning would be here. Yeah, it's probably going to go up in the evening at the night. So the evening would be here. The morning would be here. Lots of humidity in the morning, I guess. So if you have a humidity measure, you can do that and see. And it's so I guess he's saying the best times to apply early morning or late evening on humid and cloudy days. So you can monitor that. I got a little humidity monitor right here.
51:23 This little thing, this tiny thing the size of my thumb measures humidity and temperature. It hooks up to this ESP32 screen here, which monitors my power too when it's on. But yeah, my life is a math about effect. Oh, yeah. Okay. When saving rainwater for use, do you use anything special or just like, or maybe something opaque? No, rainwater, I mean, oh, an IBC or maybe something more opaque. You can always paint an IBC tote if you want it to last a bit longer. But no, I save rain. Here in
52:08 Hawaii, our rainwater is our water. We're not even hooked up to pipes coming from outside. So it all collects off our roof and it goes into a 10,000 gallon tank made out of metal with a plastic liner in it delicious um hey what's up sadu good to see you bro um you should check out last week man we had ray yoon featured he's doing some some work in senegal i believe um so um so yeah no no we just uh but you could you could store it in an ibc tote any any type of thing and rainwater you don't have to do anything special for it um the longer you store it the
52:50 more oxygen content that'll leave but you could stir it back in or you can bubble it before you use it or you can vortex it but the fact is it's going to remain soft as long as there's no chemical residue in your container so it says do not use pesticide in clear dry days so this this little caterpillar gets to live another day young song is like it's too nice of a day to kill you i'm sorry i have to wait till the evening it's too nice of a day you're gonna live the caterpillar is like please god make it nice a day again tomorrow
53:27 air-conditioned water. Heck yeah, air-conditioned water is probably soft as heck. Plastic liner, yeah, in the water tank, yeah. That's how it works. Unless I have, you know, one day I get a cement cistern. One day, great. If more super chats came in, maybe. Man, yeah. So, do a mixture test. So he's saying, Phil, so this is how you do a mixture test, okay? So when he says do a mixture test, this is what he's talking about. Oh, hey, yes, yes, woo. Maybe you could come out and build me a cistern, man. Yeah, yeah. That'd be awesome.
54:12 Thanks, man. Thanks. Yay. Yay. Okay, do a mixture test. So fill a half liter bottle of water in a clear bottle. Get a syringe from a pharmacy. It's important to get it from a pharmacy. Do not use Amazon. Go to your local pharmacy. And I think the P is silent. Actually, it's a pharmacy. Go to the local pharmacy and measure and put in five cc's of each pesticide you want to mix together. So just five cc's in this half liter. So is that 100 to 1? Something like that? 10 to 1? 100 to 1? 100 to 1? no yeah 101 yeah of each pesticide you want to mix together shake after mixing check that the
55:00 foam is clear and there's no clotting if it is successful like picture oh so you want to make sure that you're not having your pesticides and everything interfere with each other and the soap to clot right because this will clog your sprayer so that's what he's doing a mixture test he is mixing things together and making sure that there's lots of foam and it is not in it's clear right that's his mixture test yes yes thank you brother thank you brother um uh stone mason might be able to answer that um you'd have to dig a nice pit first but um
55:38 so when he says mixture test it is make sure it doesn't clot right putting the things together No clotting. Then he says, do a concentration test. So this is a small scale of 500 liter model, one to 1000. Spray this mixture on a plant and check for marks or concentration stress. So this is to make sure the concentration test, when you spray it on your plant, to make sure it doesn't, um, you know, mark it up or it doesn't kill that one plant and just spray it on one plant. Don't spray it on your whole field because obviously you, you know,
56:15 you would kill your whole field. So when you're doing home mixtures of these things, it's very important you test on a small scale before you get out there and do it. Um, so this is his little syringe from his pharmacy. This is a little bottle doing his test, getting there. Good. So how to do natural pesticide research. Number one is you have to have a huge ego and you have to just proclaim, I am a natural pesticide expert. You just have to boost that ego, you know, you know, make a video about it. Just sit there, wear a shirt that says, I'm a pesticide expert.
56:51 This guy, this guy right here. Um, if you're not willing to go outside where your neighbors can hear you and yell this at the top of your lungs, you're never going to be an expert, okay? You're just never going to be. You just got to go out there and you just got to yell, I am a pesticide expert. Look at me, everyone. Jadam introduces you to the world of cup test developed by Jadam. It better not be two cups, two girls, one cup, two girls, one cup test.
57:40 This will make you an expert. So you got to proclaim it. Then you got to do a cup test. Then you got to actually become an expert, but you have to have confidence before you actually do this. You got to just do it. So here's the cup test. Okay. So you get a bunch of nice stainless steel cups. But each of these are different concentrations. Okay. So I know, I know you can't read the Korean, but this one here is what 0.5, this 0.05 something. I don't know. I can't read what the heck it's saying, but he's diluting different amounts in different cups and seeing
58:17 which one is effective because I've sat there and done this with him. And so, yeah, so there's, These are different pesticides at different concentrations. And there you go. So this one, 0 over 0, 0.5 over 1, 1 over 1, 1.5 over 1, 2 over 1. You know, he just writes straight on the table, why not? You know, why not? It's just like you're back in elementary school. And observing the pesticidal effect. So usually you have enough Petri dishes to try these different concentrations and these different things. And then, yeah, here's the Petri dishes, right? So you try different concentrations.
59:00 You have the bugs. You put them in there if you're trying to target bugs. And then you spray them in each of their different concentrations. And this will have you determine your concentration. So you go out into the field, grab a bunch of the bugs you're trying to get. This one, you know, what is this? This is a transformantid. And then, you know, and then another way to do it is to test repelling or attracting properties of substances. You know, if the bugs are drawn towards something, it attracts them. And if they walk away from it, it's usually it's bad for them. Right.
59:37 So this is another way to test the concentration, go through and do that. And then this is, you know, the tools he has for his natural pesticide lab. So number one, he has a little brush to do his makeup and then to brush the bugs off the leaves into the Petri dish. He has some syringes from his pharmacy. He has a cell phone from Samsung, although it looks like an Apple. He has a little spray bottle to spray in there. He has different tags to mark things, mark leaves, tweezers, so you can crush those little bugs and or touch them.
1:00:14 he has what is this uh urine sample cups um he has a scale and ph meter he has a loop because as you get older you need a loop and he has a counter and a tape measure so um so you can measure the size of you know to make sure you are a true pesticide expert um and then a measuring thing and a thermometer. So he says it costs $50 to set up your lab. Simple tools, cups, dishes from the kitchen is all you need to study pesticide and germicide and apply it in your farming. So instead of spending multi-billion dollars on research, you just need $50. Although
1:00:56 adjusting for inflation, this is probably $6,000 today because this was what, two years ago? Yeah. So we'll just adjust for inflation a little bit and multiply it by 4,000. Um, so you're going to need, you know, 20, $20,000 to do this today. And, um, but this is all you need. And so next time, next time, there ain't going to be a next time, but there will be a next time after the next time, which means that we will get back into the soap. And it looks like we're going to learn how to make soap. Oh my gosh. So we'll finish there with this pesticide lab for today. That was a good, strong run.
1:01:34 Thanks for hanging in there. thanks for i don't think i talked too much shit about young song this time but uh we'll talk about more shit later next time when uh we get into pooping in the right place um building ponds yeah cool um their root cellars basement walls to save money yeah yeah prep yourself oh man yeah well it depends man yeah um rock clay and heavy yeah you better get an excavator nathaniel get an excavator bro got either that or just start working out flexing okay so um like making soap okay so next time we
1:02:22 will be back next night next time i will be in maui uh next sunday so if you're on maui be there won't be there starting so that'll be what the sixth fifth fifth sixth i don't know something like that. I poop in a bucket too. Yeah. Yeah. Pooping in the right placement. Um, uh, yeah, it's important. We'll get back into that. We'll get into water and poop and all kinds of good things after we finished my dad, but we did a good job today. We did a good job. We're at slide two Oh three. So we're, it looks like we're in the last quarter. I think we're going to finish
1:02:51 this year. We should finish this year. I should just, you know, power through this thing and go through. Hopefully you've been enjoying my dad. If not check it out, pure KNF, join the pure KNF foundation be part of it be part of making this happen thank you for the super chats appreciate everyone here hope you're having a great week i will see you next next week and um keep it real man do the right things big love to master cho all his things he does for all of us and bringing this here so uh thanks all right i will see ya yeah thank you thank you cool all right do good
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