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Chitosan from Shrimp Shells, RTK GPS Base Station, Subsoil Farming

September 24, 2023 · by Drake Weinert

Drake set up a free RTK base station on the Big Island, giving GNSS accuracy down to the millimeter for agricultural drones and centimeter-level positioning for anyone nearby in Hilo, Keaʻau, Pāhoa, Paʻauilo, and Honokaʻa. He compared it to other RTK networks he found from the Czech Republic to Saskatchewan, and explained why the correction keeps a spray drone from drifting into trees or missing the field.

He also cultivates IMOs that digest chitosan by mixing shrimp shells or insect frass into IMO 3 and IMO 4 batches, and pointed to Master Cho's original recipe: roast crab or shrimp shells, dissolve in brown rice vinegar at a 1-to-10 ratio, then dilute 1-to-1000 to spray. He also covered diluting vinegar down to a normal 4 to 6 percent acetic acid.

Other questions: whether Trichuris suis, a natural whipworm in the pig gut microbiome, needs managing with more IMOs; whether persimmon fermented plant juice is worth making (yes); whether FPJ can be made from tumbleweed (untested, likely too dry); and why Drake keeps spraying microbes on every part of his farm, which sits on old sugarcane subsoil with almost no topsoil left.

Along the way: Sunday's I Ching reading on Keeping Still as a Mountain, a riff on Abraham Hicks and letting go after you ask for something, plans to localize KNF material into Portuguese and other languages, the Gaia theory and why the Biosphere 2 dome failed, and dates for the next Hawaii farm trainings in November 2023 and January 2024.

Questions answered

31:19 Why won't the KNF app work on Android? — Drake apologized, said he has to recompile it since Google tightened Play Store rules since the app first went up.
32:59 Can chitosan be extracted from fish scales? — Probably yes — the scales are already in KNF FAA when you use the whole fish.
35:26 How do you cultivate IMOs that digest chitosan? — Add shrimp shells or insect frass to your IMO 3 or IMO 4 batch so the microbes select for chitosan digestion.
37:17 Should Pure KNF material be translated into other languages? — Yes, but Drake wants real localization with local collaborators, not just a direct translation.
54:28 Are there farms near you that don't apply microbes? — Yes — he's surrounded by conventional sweet potato farms that till, spray chemicals, and still get high yields.
57:02 What percentage should I dilute vinegar to? — Dilute it down to about 4 to 6 percent acetic acid, the same as regular vinegar.
59:36 Has anyone made FPJ from tumbleweed? — Not that Drake has heard of; he guesses it would come out too dry.
1:00:09 Are there spots on your farm you no longer apply microbes to? — No — his land is old sugarcane subsoil with almost no organic matter, so he keeps applying microbes everywhere.
1:03:33 Can you use cooked shrimp or crab shells to make chitosan? — Yes — roast the shells and dissolve in vinegar at a 1-to-10 ratio, same method as KNF reproduction, then dilute 1-to-1000 to use.
1:05:58 Is water-soluble phosphorus (WSK) necessary? — No, it isn't one of the nine core KNF solutions, but it still works if you want to use it.
1:06:40 Any reason not to make fermented plant juice from persimmons? — None — Drake says it would be excellent.
1:07:12 Should I worry about Trichuris suis (whipworm) in pigs? — It's a natural part of the pig gut microbiome; keep it balanced with good, active IMOs.

Topics: chitosan, imo, fpj, rtk, gps, jadam, vinegar, subsoil, pigs, persimmon, climate change

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0:30 hey aloha welcome to korean natural farming office hours for september 24th 2023 three. Let's see here. Let's grab some higher wisdom before we start, everybody. So today is a good one. Keeping still, Mountain. What's up, Pedro? Good to see you live, man. Still

1:24 your emotions through meditation. Receiving this hexagram is a sign you need to quiet your emotions so you can think clearly. To answering the clamorings of the ego with action now is to invite misfortune. The I Ching counsels non-action and the stilling of emotions through meditation. It is in the nature of having a body to have strong feelings and impulses. However, if we allow our thinking to be controlled by them, we cannot act with the gentleness, neutrality, and graceful wisdom of the sage.

2:15 Instead, we move rashly when we ought to keep still. We solidify when we ought to remain fluid. Therefore, it is necessary to quiet the body and its inferior elements so our thoughts and actions may be balanced, may be clear and balanced. Three things are advised. First, sit quietly in a self-supporting position with your back straight and eyes closed.

3:02 Second, observe the flow of your bodily emotions. do not judge or resist them simply a simple practice of watching them come linger and go without acting on them allows you to gradually separate them from your thought process third turn your inner conflicts over to the deity for resolution the help of the higher power is only made available to those who ask for it in a disciplined way

3:47 who make an offering of their stillness and mindfulness through meditation we reduce the influence of the inferior elements and make it possible for the sage to assist us. Keeping still is a mountain now, and you will be rewarded with good fortune. Yeah, so, you know, that's funny because that's probably good advice, but it doesn't necessarily make for the best

4:33 YouTube content or show or community organizing if I just sit here with my eyes closed and let go of everything right you know yeah but you know knowing how to relax, release, you know, let the sage do most of the work. It's very in alignment with natural farming principles with Master Cho, Fukuoka, all those guys, you know. Although I hear Master Cho

5:21 in his early days was very much like, you know, very, wow, go get him. And then he had a stroke. And then after that, that's I met him after his first stroke, he was much more mellow. And he, you know, wasn't as like, go get him type of thing. and then subsequently he had another stroke after his daughter betrayed him and sold his learning facility and moved to France and so I think there's a lot of wisdom in this thing of

6:07 we try to do and push and try to build these things ultimately stillness and everything is where it's at. I mean, here, you know, one thing that I know for sure here is that persistence is one of the main things that helps to build a movement. Look, you know, all these great people in the chat here. You know, we got Stone Mason coming in from Indiana, Cecily from Western Australia, Pedro from Brazil. Andrew from Poland we got Sedu from Senegal

6:54 Dakar like Africa coming in Lucas made it on time yay hey everyone thanks for the show Drake yeah you're welcome man thank Pure K&F Foundation helping sponsor this make it happen do all the things um you know goof man from new york we got yeah west africa well i think west africa is in senegal west africa man awesome you know uh colorado even in the house in maryland so we got a worldwide crowd everyone tuning in for natural farming and tyler all the way in Oklahoma City, man.

7:41 Good to have you here and do things, you know. You know, in my stillness here, I don't have too much to bring you today besides some raw milk. One thing I did do this week, for sure, is that I got my RTK system together, which that may not mean much to anybody besides super uber nerds or folks that are into automation.

8:29 But let's see here. Let's pull that up here. Let's go over here to do this. Right there. And, um, hang on. Bring this. Come on. This one over like this. Grab this window. Make it smaller. And, um, check it out. So if you go to the Pure K&F Foundation website, worked on this a little bit. Realize, you know, need to work on this, but put in this section here where we're advancing Korean natural farming through automation.

9:17 So we now host a free real-time kinematics service for millimeter-level GNSS, which is like GPS, GLONASS, BEIDU, you know, all those global positioning things. Providing the precise accuracy needed for agricultural automation for a majority of the east side of Hawaii Island, including Kilo, Keao, Pahoa, Paolo, and Honoka'a. So by putting a little RTK base station here and letting it calibrate in for 20 hours or so, and then sending that data to the Canadian global positioning satellite dudes,

10:05 they then gave me back the precise location of where this thing is. I put a GPS antenna up on the roof and then I have a little it's basically a FP9, which again, you know, F9P whatever it is, hooked to an ESP32 with a Wi-Fi point on it and it's a U-blox little GPS point, but it then broadcasts this point out. And here's how, if you're within these circles, within this circle, you'll get millimeter level precision. And within this level, you'll get centimeter level positioning. But if you live within these areas and you want

10:55 to put get precise gps where basically what happens is the atmosphere um you know when you can watch your phone if you put your phone on gps mode it'll kind of wander around and it'll move and it's because as those signals come through the atmosphere there's distortion and then the signals can't exactly get there what happens is when you put a fixed point a secondary like rtk end trip type system out there is it knows where it is precisely. And so as it tries to, you know, as it's receiving signals, it would want to wander around too, but it knows precisely where it is.

11:38 So it can take that signaling and say, okay, I didn't, this signal or this station, this antenna did not move, but it said that I moved. So you can just take that data and subtract it. And so if you have another phone or in our case the drone where it's there and it says oh it's moving around this station can say no just subtract those numbers or add those numbers to it and you're actually exactly where you are so it gives you centimeter level precision millimeter level precision so it helps us with our agricultural drone so that it knows exactly where it is

12:19 and then it can take mapping photos really accurately. But also now I'm not going to run into problems where when I'm flying the drone over to spray the KNF solutions, that it's up actually like 10 to 15 feet off of where it thinks it is. And it's spraying the bushes instead of the field. And it's not going to run into have as many problems where it's going to run into trees because, you know, it won't be off course. It'll be exactly where it thinks it is within like a millimeter, which is like, you know, 10, 10 millimeters, which is like, you know, it's,

12:57 it's going to be as accurate as my thumbnail that it could be, you know, here or there. And that's the air versus right now it's off about, you know, three, four meters of accuracy. So I did do that this week. It took me a fair amount of time to get all that together. But I now have a reference station. So if you're on this side and you're interested here, you can type in these details and use RTK to go. And if you're not around us here, which let me bring this up so this is this is actually the base station this is a summary of it

13:40 and it's broadcasting here's its exact precise precision location so if you also want to send a cruise missile to hit exactly where I'm sitting right now it's actually four feet away from me that way you could type in these coordinates and hit go and it would come and if your cruise missile has RTK correction, it would hit me within a millimeter. So, um, you know, always pros and cons to everything, but, um, but I believe broadcasting this as a public service and putting up, you know, where it is, um, pure KNF base station, it's getting GPS, GLONASS,

14:17 Galileo, Baidu, you know, so just like everyone from around the world here, I don't know if there's any Chinese people here, but, uh, we do, we were getting Chinese satellites. And, um, but if you're not, if you're not familiar with it, uh, millimeter level precision stuff, um, I'm using RTK, take RTK to go and here's all the casters. So one interesting thing to do is, you know, ours, ours is down here. It's alphabetical here. Where is it? PPPPP pure oh man okay there it is um you can look at the map here too and see um and here it is you

15:01 know here's a real-time map looking at this and then there's somebody on maui also broadcasting one made by the same company um and it's interesting to see um let's see so and then This map isn't going to show me, but the guys on Maui are broadcasting it for land surveyors versus we're broadcasting it for agricultural uses. But you can basically automate a tractor to drive down the same exact rows. You could build your own little small, you know, for about 300 bucks, maybe even cheaper than that, about 200, 200, between 200 and 300 dollars.

15:40 You can get a GPS sensor, a little Raspberry Pi or an ESP32, a little microcontroller, and automate all kinds of things to be like millimeter-wide things. So, you know, you want to spray the same area. You want to make an autonomous vehicle. You want to make something to mow, you know, without you. And that's what I was thinking of doing is just automating a mower to just drive around and mow the areas that I have to, that I should be mowing. And I'm actually letting grass grow and I'm grazing, but, you know, hook it up so I have an automatic tractor kind of thing.

16:18 But the other day, you know, I was looking even like Czech Republic. So if you look at a map like this, you'll see there's much more, many, many more RTK systems. like. So here's in the Czech Republic, you know, all these being hosted. And so basically all these people can do, this must be a high agriculture area of the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, you know, these, these folks are all running, these overlapping RTK points are probably because this is where they're farming in Czech Republic. So it's, it's kind of fun to look at these things,

16:56 you know here's um poland i don't know anyone from poland in the house but look like so if you type in these um these rtk systems like you go to this and you put in the the base station um these end trip servers you put in these bases then you can do um yeah yeah entries in poland so so if i don't know if you're in this region around lublin but um you can type in these rtk things and if you got a drone or whatever you can fly this is kind of funny it's on the side by uh ukraine right um but that's probably where the agriculture is happening um because most these

17:39 things are are agriculturally based here's here's another one in poland we'll see here yeah again same same region i think um no not so well maybe maybe they're doing um other things there but even argentina down here they got you know so people host these things and then they put them up um for for everybody to be um out there. Lemberg, Canada. So, you know, you can see these different, um, RTK points. This is definitely where they do agriculture. This is Saskatchewan. So they're probably hooking up automated tractors to just drive, um, Regina. My, my, uh, one of my, um,

18:27 guys, my architecture TA was from Regina and he did a lot of curling. I always thought that was kind of funny. Um, Germany, you know, so anyway, just, just to let you know, like this is a, this is a thing that exists, um, precision GPS to do these things. I don't know why, you know, Korean natural farming. It's, um, I mean, we're now hosting one for free on here, big Island. Um, and I think, I think that's the, you know, that's key. If there is a future in futures. I mean, it's either horse and buggy days and going back to like regenerative,

19:09 like super regenerative agriculture, or we're going to go like drones and high-tech automation. And I always, you know, I'm always like caught between those two worlds of, you know, I wish we could just go back to like regenerative agriculture with enough people understanding and understand that exponential growth with mineral resources and fossil fuels and all these things, whether it's climate change or not, that's minor compared to the doubling period of exponential growth and how fast that comes to bite us.

19:50 So I always wish, you know, part of me is like I wish that we could go back to like simple like sailing boats and like really like kind of a Luddite future. and most likely it will converge on that in the near, you know, um, near to somewhat near future. Um, maybe, maybe not that, you know, like, but my lifetime and or my kid's lifetime, um, it will converge back to just absolute, um, you know, a Luddite future. But then I always wish, you know, that we could have this, um, this transition where we, you know, I don't know. So I

20:29 have to work in both worlds where, you know, get a drone, fly around, you know, run a battery, generator and batteries, have precision agriculture, automate more things. You know, I always think these days when anytime I'm automating something like, for instance, the pathway lights to get up to these nice, uh, Airbnbs that we have, um, you know, it's running on a microcontroller until a little raspberry pi sitting right here that, um, and then sometimes the the something in there there's a glitch or something and the lights

21:01 don't turn on like probably two or three days out of a year the lights just don't turn on it's like what the heck and then for some reason the raspberry pi didn't boot and so anytime you go into like these technology solutions of like putting tech and home assistant all these things and then it doesn't work it's like oh no when it works it's great but when it doesn't it's like oh And so, you know, analog solutions of just like, you know, not trying to automate things, but actually caring about your things tend to be better solutions. So I don't know.

21:36 I'm always caught between this world of high tech, you know, here I am, YouTube broadcasting around the world and low tech of just like, man, just farm where you're at and just do what we know to do right. So anyway, kind of a long rant there, but we do have new RTK solution set up. I did that this week. We now have precision millimeter accuracy stuff. I was hoping to have a nice picture of the farm real time from the new drone doing 2K resolution photos. Unfortunately, it started flying on the low end of my property.

22:20 and it only flies up and only goes at 90 feet and flies back and forth in this grid taking photos. And when it got to the upper side, because it doesn't ever change its elevation from where it started, and there's about a 60-foot change in elevation between the low side to the high side, it was now flying at about 20 feet, and it almost ran into a tree, which would not be good. I cannot run a drone that expensive into a tree. No, you cannot, because that would be bad. So I got to go. It's just an African tulip tree. It's not. It's just growing in the valley.

22:58 And it's, you know, I mean, cutting down a tree. But I'm going to cut down the tree so that the drone can go. Oh, yeah. Someone just unsubscribed somewhere. But no, you know, I got to do what I got to do. and I was looking at that tree and I was thinking man I could put a hf antenna up in that tree it's unfortunate but it gotta go or I might not cut it completely down but I'm gonna top that sucker so that the drone can fly and I gotta cut down another tree in the back that's dead so don't you know slow down it's dead trees die um and I gotta cut the dead tree

23:38 down because otherwise it's gonna collapse on my fence call my tree pruning buddy to come over and cut it and he was like that is dangerous as hell so but I don't care I mean he's like a professional and he knows what he's doing and I have no idea so I'm just gonna cut it down hopefully I don't die but I don't think I'll die I think it's just gonna be dangerous as hell but sometimes farming living you gotta do stuff that's dangerous as hell because otherwise it's not gonna get done um so yeah cultivating in a way which promotes rest yeah yeah yeah there you go it's the mountain

24:19 over mountain cultivation club mmcc what are you doing i'm letting the sage do it letting god you know i mean that's that's one of the cool things about natural farming is it's like so in alignment with how God farms. Because God is just like, hey, I'm going to grow this diversity and have these fruits and have them fall. And you're just like mimicking that, you know, mimicking nature. It's so, it's like the mountain over mountain club. I was always, I was thinking about it actually this morning when I was, that's why I was a little bit late to get here. I was just laying

24:58 down dreaming and I was dreaming about, or lamenting that we call it Korean natural farming because there's so much Korean drama. If you've ever seen Korean dramas, it's like, man, can't we call this something else? Like peaceful promotion of each other to build a better future farming, you know? But I was just kind of lamenting that I don't think I'll ever see Master Cho again in the flesh, unless I go to Korea maybe, and I'm not sure how he's doing these days. I was just lamenting about how I was actually thinking about JADAM and how I see these things

25:39 on the internet where it's like KNF and JADAM and I'm like JADAM is KNF. JADAM is Korean natural farming. Korean natural farming encompasses like a huge thing of what it is and people are like jadam knf i'm like they're the same thing they're the same thing one one is just a uh like one is an extremely cheap way of doing knf the other is a good way of doing knf um so i always see these things what's up tanzini in the house we got multiple parts of africa tuning in that's cool man yeah wish you guys the best over there that side of the world i see a bunch of coups happening

26:22 in the Central Africa kind of thing going on. Hopefully, it's leading to better peace, less colonialization, keeping more of your resources there, bringing prosperity and everything to the people because those are the types of revolutions we need today, right? So cheers to you. I'll drink some milk. But yeah, lazy man. lazy man cultivation things that, uh, and it's like lazy man. It's not really lazy. It's like the, you know, who's the smartest is like the laziest person, you know, as long as you're maintaining a good, um, good quality of life. It's always, you know, there's this pressure

27:12 in the world to like go and do and push with the flow farming. It's a good one too. it's like abraham i don't know if he since no one really has any questions i'll just kind of talk about this stuff but you know if you guys ever study uh abraham it's like uh it's um like esther and jerry hicks um contact this like entity called abraham which is kind of cool because it's like the abraham you know from the bible i liked abraham he was a cool dude he was willing to kill his son. He was like, I'm going to kill you because God said,

27:51 and God was like, psych. And he was like, okay, I don't have to kill you. But you got to be that loyal to do the right thing, right? And the face of everything, everyone else in the man's world is like, don't do it. But Abraham, the one that they were talking about is this like, go with the flow, stay in the vortex. This idea of like, you know, it's kind of like prayer, right? You pray for something. Um, but then you got to let God do the work. Like if you're going to pray for it, like say, say for instance, I want another drone,

28:26 uh, you know, to, for the farm, because I don't know, it'd be more productive. I doubt it with another drone, but just say, say I have something that I want. I got to just be like, I want this and I pray. And then the second part is to let it go. Right. And you just say, well, I put that that request out there to God so now I'm going to put it in God's court the mountain over mountain I'm just going to sit there I'm going to be um let him deal with the things let the higher power take over and then the hard part is then you got to be after that

29:03 you got to like want it you got to let go of it and then you got to be ready to receive it and they're ready to receive it, like in the flow, is that you got to be, whatever comes at you, then you got to be ready. And it may not be the exact way that you ask for it. And I think that's the hard people, hard concept for people the most is that, you know, you ask for something like I'm asking, I mean, here, here in this, I'm asking for like, you know, to change, like with the office hour, I'm asking to like change the world. Right. And I like, I want it. And now I'm letting go.

29:38 Because like, you know, I realized there's no hope and there's nothing I can do. So I'm just it's in God's court. And then here, then I have to be ready to receive it. And it's like, look at how many people are tuning in. Look at how many people around the world are making a difference. Look at how much this is making a difference in people's lives. And that's the way I got to be ready to receive it is maybe it's not the way I thought it would be in my youth where I thought that we could actually, um, really like, you know, go

30:12 like almost mainstream with this and like have people understand that like, you know, we can fix our food in our economic systems by returning to like a sound agricultural base and a sound monetary base. Like maybe that'll never happen, but I think it'll happen for, you know, me, you, those tuning in and that's that intention put out there. And then through the office hours, this connection through the world, which is cool, comes back. So, yeah. Yeah. So that's the way it is. One thing I can fix though, you know, it's always

30:58 change the things you can and let go of the rest of the things, you know, in the flow, with the flow farming. I like that idea. That's pretty much this concept. That's the core of what I'm doing. But, you know, one thing I can do is, you know, pull up the... I think Andrew is asking about the app here. And I don't even have it on this computer is one of the problems. I was working on a computer i republished it put it out apparently i gotta recompile it um but yeah i've been working on some other software too go um yeah sorry sorry about the app not working on the

31:46 androids it's you know in the first when google first released the android app store they'd let anything going now it's just like it's so much harder um let's see here yeah so i was also working on a little bit of code here this this code is um for the knf shorts so when i take the episodes like the little clips from here i was working on uh plugging it in to chat gpt here because this, you know, so all this, all this code here, this software runs, I mean, this one's actually the one that works right now. This is just the one I was building, but this code here,

32:31 basically, if I run it, it gives me a little, um, what you call like little menu to pick from, to put it in there and get those together. But, uh, yeah, working on code, it always, it always breaks it's never i don't know anyway one more thing to maintain you know um so i'll re i'll try and recompile that so sidoo what's up man asking a question here about chido sand chido sand um can be extracted from fish scales probably um and we put the whole fish when making KNF FAA. We have the scales in it. So I think the KNF FAA has a lot of

33:16 thing in it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Chido San, um, yep. And another way, another way to make Chido San. Um, so I don't know if you guys know, but, um, let me, ah, I gotta make this from the other window here let me see um let me drag this over here put it over there um if you go to the channel i'm just gonna go here and go to um let's see youtube let's not go to this video let's go to my channel. So if you go to the channel, let me bring this sucker over, and go to search here,

34:07 and I'm going to search for GCM. But I did go to Korea here, and there's only one GCM video. I ended up not uploading the rest of these videos. But I went to Korea, and we're specifically learning from this guy here, Dr. Kil Young Kim. And these, I want to mute it and just go play it. But these tanks, they were building, or they were growing chidosan and gelatinase. That's what GCM stands for. And those microbes, they were actually growing them. So I did a whole thing to

34:53 learn specifically about chitosan and learning about how, you know, and basically they're growing specific microbes to grow it. But what you can do is you can, in your IMO 2 and 3 process, you can actually put in a bunch of shrimp shells, like Pedro's saying, or insect frass in there when you're growing your IMO three and four stage. The four stage is even better to put it in. But you can collect those chitosan type bacterias and tune your microbes to to eat chitosan. So then when you put it out, you get that effect, which basically dissolves the insect bodies.

35:45 um funny thing is that you know chitosan is in some fungus so that batch may have a little less fungal activity um and because yeah fungal bodies also have chitosan in them so there's ways to go and um you know you can even when you're collecting your im01 you could actually in your rice have insect frass or shrimp shells or some sort of high chitosan, you know, fingernails, you know, some sort of high chitosan in there, and then you'll select your microbes to get higher chitosan content. But here's just an example, you know, like I learned a fair amount,

36:31 I went, you know, we went to Korea for about a week to learn specifically about GCM, you know, um going up and looking into the you know these are 30 ton brewers that they were brewing and then they would do it with a community you know all these folks would come around and and look at these things and they'd basically um got you know um make huge tanks of it and give it out to people so you know um what's up james i don't see that guy in a while um yeah looking um but this was probably my least favorite trip to korea ever

37:15 oh anyway talk about wild stuff so um yeah um and yeah pedro translating the um pure KNF material into, um, Portuguese. I think that's a great idea. We should, uh, we should figure out the logistics of that and do it. Um, getting it out to more folks, you know, spreading it around the world, you know, that's always been what I want to do. So getting material in folks' language so it's native for them probably makes a lot of sense. um there is a spanish translation and then i that mao did and then i just didn't ever

37:59 convert it over so i you know there's tons of hanging chads of projects that need to be done um but with the correct partnership to do it man it's it it makes sense and um i was actually thinking of maybe uh instead of like a direct translation maybe even more of like a collaboration because um you know what what i know my information is good and i can help but you know people on the ground like you know if there's a portuguese translation where it's like you know the things in brazil the plants the economics you know the materials available and those types of

38:42 things and making it so it's like a collaboration where it's like you're adding information to it I'm adding information to it we're collaborating to make something work that then you know benefits both of us for our time and energy to make this material happen and to help with distribution and all those things like it's a it's a full-on business once you get into that and to get the right things there I mean that makes sense you know even even getting it written in Polish you know or or latvian and getting these things so that you can take the core information of the

39:17 book collaborate then to make it into localization you know not in just like a translation but actually like a localization so that it is there i mean that makes a ton of sense um to to really do it that way um you know and that'd probably be you know i should probably prioritize something like that in my life of what I'm doing, you know, um, end up doing so like just so many things of what I, you know, I just feel like I'm torn between too many things trying to do so much, but finding, you know, it's like 80, 20 rule, find the 20% of your effort. That's going to give you

39:57 80% of the return and the things that you're looking for. Um, so figuring out how to do that, and how to make it worthwhile. Yeah, so these localization type of projects would make sense, right? You know, folks from all over the world, like localizing Korean natural farming. I mean, it's funny that we still call it Korean natural farming because basically at this point it's like, you know, I mean, the source, it came from Japan. Why don't we call it JNF, Japan Natural Farming, right? um but korean um you know master no no uh no offense to master joe i mean he synthesized a

40:39 lot of these things and brought them all together and that's why it's called korean natural farming but but making these things so that it's like i mean really what you're doing is like you know it's in the flow you're making these people giving them the right tools it's it's indigenous natural farming you know wherever you're at and that's why i'm talking about like a localization a um an indigenization, a, um, you know, um, what would they call that? Like endemic? No, what is the word? Um, native, I don't know, whatever, whatever it ends up being, it's like

41:12 native natural farming, NNF. Um, you know, I hate to undermine myself by cutting down the, um, things that I've helped her help to build, you know, someone, someone the other day was like, criticizing me for like renaming things. And I'm like, I'm just trying to make it more localized for us to, to go. And they're like, yeah, you're doing terrible things for natural farming. And I was just like, okay, yeah, great. Cool. That's your opinion, man. And they're like, I'm going to unsubscribe and I was going to donate to you, but I'm not anymore. It's like, okay,

41:44 I hope you put that money towards natural farming somewhere. Um, you know, so I always think it's funny, someone that's like, gonna donate to you, but then like, oh, I didn't like your last video, so no, I'm not gonna. It's like, as if they were ever really gonna donate anyway, you know? Like, it's just a feel-good thing that I think people do for themselves to feel good. Like, I was gonna be charitable. It's like, man, cool, cool. That's a great feeling to have. It's only when you can give to people that are your enemies, that you don't like, that you truly reach some level of

42:20 like enlightenment giving to people you like and giving to people that you're like you like it's like that's that's like mid mid-level you know karma right only when you can give like someone completely screws you over and you're still friendly to them and you still help them out that's that's that's when you achieve like true level of like compassion you know and and um so um yeah so new world natural farming new yeah new world natural farming and i'm glad joseph's in the house man i've been watching his gaia videos where he wanders through

43:00 the desert with his cats if you haven't tuned into him check him out he's right there maybe you got to post post a link to your channel here and spam it in here and put it in for people to go but um you know um because yeah a new world natural farming yeah i don't even like to mention pedro just mentioned some folks i don't even like to mention those folks i guess the compassion there but um talk about utter disorganization man you know when you try and uh you know you what's the thing you spite your face to to pick your nose or whatever it is i don't know um but

43:45 um yeah and so new new world natural farming i don't know maybe it's old world natural farming um yeah i uh it's interesting you know i always i appreciate it when you know i can watch um some of my subscribers videos and see what they're going on, what they're up to, because then, um, you know, uh, you know, the Gaia theory, it's kind of interesting of, you know, I did, I did research a whole bunch. So when someone gives me something to look up, I usually, you know, um, I love learning. So it's, it's like, if there's one addiction I have, it's learning.

44:27 so um i love just finding out as much as i can about something but the gaia theory you know understanding that the earth kind of keeps itself in homeostasis um yeah totally good and um the whole idea you know not to get too much on the climate change type thing but you know as if co2 is ruining our planet it's like actually you know when there was co2 there were megafauna you know when there was more co2 available um in fact the animals didn't get extinct the animals and plants got bigger megaflora megafauna like dinosaurs were huge compared to the

45:10 the um animals we have today right and only the the reptiles that are left over are only like small wizards right all the dragons have been extinguished um and you know they you know birds turned into birds and dinosaurs and little lizards that are left over. Whereas you find fossils of megafauna, and that's when there was a heck of a lot more CO2 in the air. So thinking that we're going to go extinct from some sort of gas is wild. And the idea of the earth living that the microorganisms live and then off gas certain things to to manage the level of

45:54 gases in our atmosphere it seems to be totally correct from a korean natural farming perspective that um yeah that that you gotta have enough microbes active to keep the atmosphere regulated if you've ever studied um you know the biodome uh you know they they made a poly shore made a great video in the early 90s, maybe mid 90s, late 90s. I don't know. I could look it up. Let's actually see Biodome. I hope we get the Pauly Shore. Yeah, 1996 is when he made it. One of the best movies out there. In fact, I'm not sure it's the best one. But the Biodome was actually a thing.

46:40 um i don't think it was called biodome though it was based on a thing what was the actual project called but one of the um one of the one of the ladies i used to work with um was actually in that experiment um at the the school so she actually lived in the biodome for real they did two of them in the arizona desert i believe um biodome was just the was just the poly shore video of it biodome yeah um it was pretty funny um let's see there's a bunch of folks in that video movie um the storylines of bud and doyle are two losers so we're doing nothing

47:26 with their lives. Classic story. But they get locked inside the biodome. But what was it actually called? I don't know. But anyway, what I know is that it ended up failing because I don't think they had enough microorganisms in there to regulate it. And what happened is the microbes started breaking down the concrete that they used, which actually is one of the, you know, people don't talk about it but one of the huge co2 off gassings is actually from concrete um so let me let me look up that um co2 off gassing from concrete let's see if we can find any um info on

48:16 that but um biosphere was that what it's called biosphere i don't know um i'd rather call it the the biodome. Cement industry is one of the two largest producers of carbon dioxide, creating 5% of world's man-made emissions, of which 50% is from the chemical process and 40% from burning fuel. Okay, so unless we're going to get rid of concrete, you know, if you're a CO2 person, then you should be anti-concrete. But this is what I do. Does it release CO2 over time?

49:01 Sections of concrete that are exposed there slowly absorb CO2 over their lifetime. Oh, so about 60% of the CO2 that was released due to the calcination process will be reabsorbed. this sounds like this is like concrete people trying to sell more concrete though um i don't know somebody told me that the concrete just puts out more i don't know we can look at wikipedia it's not the most reputable source but um i mean this is korean natural farming but i mean korean natural farming you know here here's a whole thing on climate change can we just tldr man

49:41 looks like that's where google got its source I don't know someone was saying it like it was somebody is my friend there was a permaculturalist was talking about how it can like continually off gas things or maybe it reabsorbed it or something I don't know. But I know that's why the biosphere failed because of concrete. And their thing wasn't big enough. And they didn't understand microbiology, I don't think, to the degree that made a difference. Thank you for the super chats. Thank you, thank you, thank you for the super

50:21 chats. Awesome. And, you know, I would always be careful if you say Gaia theory 100% because 100% of anything is probably incorrect. It's probably multiple factors. We live in a complex thing, and it's just a model, man. You know, like... Yeah, it's... Look, my leaves! Camelot! Camelot! Camelot! It's only a model. you know so so any model you have of anything um you know it's only a model man um you know

51:13 anything like even natural farming to say natural farming is 100 it's like it's only a model um yeah and uh oh i like this pedro saying water has um three times the potential to heat as compared to co2 you know um and evaporated water being the bigger problems and uh you know since since tilling you know and and i guess you know um joseph was was upset that i was talking about agriculture being the only problem i'm just saying that's one of our major problems of evaporating all this uh water into the air it's like and you're killing all those microbes that are regulating

51:57 our so our atmosphere right two twofold you're killing the microbes plus you're um putting all this moisture in the air um it evaporates 90 of the water used in agriculture evaporates um and putting all that water up there you know whereas natural farming microbes hold water in the microorganisms you put biochar it holds it in the soil um you know these these great things um where you know um yeah this that's the um yeah so anyway i don't know it end up um you know here trying to help people do korean natural farming and uptacking climate change although our drone's

52:45 name is greta thunberg so don't ever say greta thunberg's not making a difference um she's she's totally making a difference you know once a week um flying over and uh you know really doing it yeah just getting into it walden awesome man um you know just getting into it i remember those days back in the 2007s when I was just getting into it. And, um, what a joy, man. Changed my life. Kept me going. I mean, here I am, what, like, uh, almost 30, 30 years, like, 20 years, almost 20 years later, um, doing natural farming still. Because it works, and it's good, and, um,

53:35 you know it's the solution not only are you changing your climate or your you know definitely your local climate to getting better but you're also saving money growing better healthy food making nutrient density dense food you know all those things um are great so um yeah any other questions anything you know just getting into it anything you need help with man got a bunch of experts in the chat here got me here you know trying to trying to help trying to do my thing you know changing this this pure knf foundation i set this up to be like we help to

54:18 support because it's it's literally like one of the biggest things our foundation is doing right now is helping hosting these office hours and i think i don't i don't emphasize that enough but if you don't know and you're just starting out to the can of support which is which is the this um you know thing that we run via the foundation here oh someone's directing the question to me in all caps why are you yelling at me um let's see what question he has let's see if we can answer this it's in all caps so aloha which type of sugar cane use for making silence oh

54:54 you gotta yell when you read it right um are there people in my area that don't apply microbes on your on their farm on this area yeah i mean i'm surrounded by people that don't do it i mean that's one of the great paradoxes right is you know it's not like like people you have to have like a certain level of like consciousness rising to realize like how much more connected we are to the world than just looking at just a pure profit. But I'm basically surrounded by sweet potato farms that don't. They just till the earth. They do like the worst practices. They put chemicals. They

55:32 litter their lunch on the ground. You know, like, you know, they're folks that aren't from here and haven't lived here very long. And they're just here to like make money to go back to, you know, Vietnam or China or Mexico, where they can make a bunch of money here right now growing this way and then go back. So it's like it's a the ag paradigm here is crazy. I mean, sure, there's there's tons of people around me that don't know and they don't care. They don't care either because they're not invested in the land for the long term. And they're hugely productive.

56:09 They're hugely productive. I mean, talk about bringing out tons of sweet potatoes per acre. They're doing it right. And they're doing it. But they don't think of the earth as a whole system. And they don't think of, you know, like when you're when you're when you're narrow focus with just like make money and then make make a better life. You don't think of the externalities of everything. And I think when you don't think of the externalities, then you, you know, you end up with terrible agriculture. So.

56:45 Places that are saturated with microbes would be like nice forests that are just naturally going, even though those are under threat. Let me switch back to this for a sec. But yeah. um and um um 10 vinegar what should i dilute it to um what percentage is normal vinegar um acetic acid content of vinegar i don't know oh four to six percent so you should dilute it down to four to six percent somewhere in there. And you'll get regular vinegar. You know, it's always,

57:30 you know, GTS. Google that. Yeah, but I, you know, I'm only using Google here because it's signed into this account. I usually try to not use Google, but yeah, so just dilute it a little bit get it down to four to six percent um it's a sweet algebraic math equation to figure out how to do that you know um um ratios um let's see here um yeah but i i don't know i'm i'm actually really trying to super saturate my area with microbes that's why i'm flying the drone once a week. That's why I'm spraying all this stuff. I'm going to see what the heck happens if you're

58:17 applying the entire, you know, 10 acres or whatever, yeah, whatever area I'm spraying once a week with bio, uh, with, with microbes and all the KNF solutions, what's going to happen in a year. Right. And so I'm just going at it to spray everything all the time and we'll see, um, what happens. I don't know what's going to happen. Um, I think I already noticed the grass is growing faster but it's already but it's also the fast time of grass to grow so we'll see what happens this winter we just had oh happy equinox everybody yeah halfway halfway to darkness

58:54 um so we'll see what ends up happening it'd be cool to see if uh joseph down there in taos could get one of these drones and just start spraying everything around him because it'd be so easy There's no trees for your drone to run into. I wish, you know, you'd be able to get you one, man, because I hear you talk about it. And it's like, man, you could revive all that desert around you super easy with this drone. Just fly and just take it all, you know. I don't think it seems like it's nobody's property. I don't know who owns that land that you're out on.

59:28 But you definitely can make a huge microbial sponge around you to deal with that. anyone made FPJ from tumbleweeds before not that I've heard of I would imagine be super dry tried making it from some other plants I just think it would be dry just in general desert plants dry probably could but you may need to you know I don't know I don't know how well it would work, but give it a try. Um, so yeah. Um, and then do I have areas on my farm that I don't apply microbes to anymore? So, um, no, uh, the interesting thing about my farm is that I'm on

1:00:21 old sugar land. And so where I'm sitting right now used to be like the soil level, but the ground is down about 10 feet below me. I'm actually up in like a raised building off the ground. And so what I'm operating with is subsoil. Even the soil on the surface is subsoil. So all the topsoil is gone. If I had topsoil, I probably would be able to inoculate it with enough microbes to not apply microbes anymore. But I am on subsoil. And so there's zero organic matter in it. if you start digging down, you know, they're only in the very top where like the roots are reaching

1:01:00 down. And now, now, um, because I've been doing this, I can now drive metal stakes into the ground really easily. So I am getting aeration and things down there, but it's subsoil and there's not enough organic matter to be like, um, rich soil. So I continually have to put the microbes out there because they're it's, it's, I got two problems. One is it's exhausted soil, meaning it's real red, meaning that, um, you know, it's, it's million year old ash that, that has been washed out by, you know, 300 inches of rain a year. So it's, it's, so I need to bring more minerals in

1:01:36 with the seawater. And then the soil is just terrible. It's subsoil. It's like all the top soil got pushed off during the sugarcane days and went into the ocean and went bye-bye. And, um, and so I don't see in my, you know, like, you know, certain areas that you can amend and you can do, you can, you can, you know, if you need enough biochar in the top 10%, you can get areas to like be good. But if you dig down to any depth, you're just going to hit this like red clay, like ash, old ash that where I'm at of just, I'm in an interesting soil type. That's just like,

1:02:14 you know, and it rains so much here that it washes everything away. And I'm also on a pretty steep land. I mean, in, you know, my elevation here, you know, I'm only about a mile from the ocean and I'm at 650 feet. And then behind me only like 10 miles away is a 13,000 or 14,000 foot mountain. So I'm on this huge mountain that's really steep. And so I got a bunch of factors going against me of having, you know, I got to basically, I got to build soil for like generations type of thing to really truly build like fertile soil where you dig into it and it would just be like nice and fertile

1:02:54 it's just you dig into it and it's like red and dead you know once you get down to any any appreciable depth depth so that's why i'm trying to do more um you know agro agro um you know uh was it syntropic agriculture you know thanks pedro for that one um you know and bring it back to life and bring the organic matter and get the plant systems to work and get the polycultures and get the permaculture you know all those factors fit in you know you know if i had a machine to build swales you know like all those things um and so anyway yeah those things um can you use cooked

1:03:36 shrimp and crab shells in chido sand sure um yeah cooked cooked shells um master cho actually has a way where you toast the shrimp shells and you dissolve them in vinegar and make a chitosan, just like you would make the KNF reproduction, but make it from chitosan. And make those, that recipe. And then the, you know, since you're asking about it, these other recipes and that WSK, the water soluble potassium, um, is, you know, those are in other, um, other, they're not the core solutions, but they are other solutions. Um,

1:04:22 and those are in this book by master Cho here. Um, let me bring this over and do this, But those are, you know, Master Cho's recipe book here where, you know, there is, when he talks about here water-soluble calcium, he also talks about chitinic acid here. And then the WSK, I don't know if he talks about it. There's potassium, but WSK, he talks about it somewhere in here in those sections. So down here, let's see, number seven, go down to this.

1:05:10 You know, here's the calcium phosphate. Oh, here he's talking about the chidosan. So turn your resolution up and screenshot this one here. He's talking about, you know, crab shell, shrimp shells, and brown rice vinegar, how to make it, you know, one to ten. You roast the shells, the methods the same as that of making the can of reproduction. And, you know, roast those, make it, it emits a pungent scent. When the process is completed, the smell is gone and the color becomes brighter than the original as the eggshell does.

1:05:52 How to use, dilute with water, ratio of 1 to 1,000, mix with other natural farming materials. during the whole period of cultivation. So you can make, you know, Master Cho talks about chidosan here as a recipe, and then, you know, asking is the WSK water-soluble potassium, or excuse me, water-soluble phosphorus necessary. No, I mean, it's not part of the nine-core solution, but, you know, you can always use it as something that works. So anyway, you know, you get into that screenshot, some of those things.

1:06:37 So persimmon fermented plant juice. Any reason not come straight to my know persimmon fermented plant juice is probably going to be excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. I would use it if I had persimmons. in fact i like the crispy persimmons i would eat those all day if i had them i just i love those fruits they're so good um it would be yeah excellent i would i would love persimmon plant juice but i bet you it's super tasty too which is just unreal good um and have i ever looked into trichus sues for pigs i just come along the work of joel

1:07:22 wine stock and it's the natural part um no i'll look that up though let's let's look up trachis sues before i go here i'm almost done i got to actually appointment after this to print some labels let's look this up and see what we get here trachis sues looks like these are little worm or little flagellates in the pig's digestive system um it's an animal animals um let's look them up but i'm sure yeah these are probably living in the pigs look at that one looks like a little worm a whip worm um

1:08:08 yeah but I bet you you know using IMOs in their diet um oh it's not right eggs are is it bad it's a bad thing is it a parasite I mean you can have worms that are good pathology in adult pigs that can cause diarrhea and accident oh okay well if it's a bad thing then um then using more imos in there um will help especially the knf protectors you know putting

1:08:54 that in their diet um i mean i'm sure they're supposed to have some of these but just not have these get out of balance. So the key is to get their guts good with things. So they can colonize humans. So yeah, interesting. It's a natural part of the pig microbiome. So just having them so they don't get out of control. The whole key... Excuse me, I've got to drink more milk here. the whole key with any microbiome is diversity to balance it out so that it doesn't get one thing get out of balance it's all about balance that's why putting in IMOs that are done correctly

1:09:41 brings in the whole microbiome and then it balances it out it adds more diversity so anytime you're worried about something like this you know just balance the microbiome make good IMOs, good activated IMOs. You should be good. Um, so yeah, man, George, I hope you make it out here January. It's going to be awesome. Um, yeah, yeah. I hope, I hope you can make it, man. It's, it's going to be great. And you know, so hope anybody, anyone can make it out to those. If you're interested in the class, knffarm.com is where they are available.

1:10:21 November is pretty, it's getting pretty full, but January is pretty open. So if you're thinking about coming out, make it. It'll be great. You get to relax in the tropical Hawaiian heat. Get away from your winter, wherever, you know, where you're at. although I think it's the summer for the guys because some folks are coming from down south like New Zealand and Australia it's going to be their summer coming too pretty much our summer it doesn't really change that much but go through all the recipes learn all the things, do all the stuff become an expert at KNF get accredited and have

1:11:05 a great time and make lifelong friends learn from everything and all that so appreciate you guys being here we got a worldwide community you know it's worth my time to be here to build this and it makes it even more worth my time if you get out there and you do natural farming and you change your little bit of your microcosm it turns into a macrocosm that then gets everyone into knf because that's one of the best things so appreciate you guys thank you um you know send videos send things whatever you know show me what

1:11:38 you got going keep the thing going you know send super chat super thanks or subscribe like whatever all the youtube things people got to tell people to do i just think it's obvious but maybe some people don't get it um so interesting i'll i'll that'll be interesting i'll check that out maybe we can share that next time. Nels, thanks. Thanks for that tip on those. And, um, cool. I'll see you next week. I'm going to go and burst out of here. Let me, let me put it to this one first and then I'm going to burst. All right. Thank you. Love you. Bye.