Frost Protection with KNF Medicine, Worm Castings, Boron
Drake opens with the Lāʻau moon days, then answers a frost question: mist plants a few hours before a predicted freeze with KNF medicine (oriental herbal nutrient) — garlic, ginger, licorice, cinnamon, and angelica steeped in alcohol, diluted 1:1000. The warming herbs and alcohol heat the plant and its microbes enough to dodge a light frost.
A Zone 7b viewer asks about making solutions and IMO through winter. IMO still works below freezing — it's actually easier to vent and cool a pile in winter — just stack it taller and add more hay if it runs too cold. Plant juice needs live fruit, so that waits for spring, but calcium (charred bone, toasted eggshell), KNF medicine, and lactobacillus cultures all tincture fine indoors over the cold months.
Worm leachate and castings come up as a humic and fulvic acid boost: use fresh leachate, not anaerobic and stinky, diluted 1:200 to 1:1000 as a fungal food alongside propagated IMO. Boron gets the same treatment — it drives calcium metabolism and hormone function, but plants show toxicity above 1.8 ppm, and seawater or diluted borax already supplies enough.
Drake closes with earthworms versus composting worms for in-situ castings, and his take on GMOs: the Hawaiian ringspot-resistant papaya was a band-aid for chemical farming that had already killed the soil microbiome, not a fix worth trusting long-term.
Questions answered
- 3:07 Why gather plants during the Lāʻau (medicine) moon days? — Harvest plant material in the morning during Lāʻau days, when sun and moon are both above the horizon and the plants hold the most juice and potency.
- 9:59 What Pure KNF classes are instructors teaching right now? — Pedro Camargo teaches near São Paulo, Brazil Dec 8-10; Bronson Lubresky ran a free class through the Alabama extension at Jones Valley Farm.
- 21:47 How do I stop frost from damaging my plants overnight? — A few hours before a predicted frost, mist plants with KNF medicine (garlic, ginger, licorice, cinnamon, angelica in alcohol) diluted 1:1000.
- 27:53 Can you make KNF solutions and IMO during winter in Zone 7? — Yes — IMO turns fine in winter and is easier to vent and cool; stack piles taller and add more hay if it runs cold. Plant juice needs live fruit, so wait for spring.
- 35:36 Where should a beginner start with Korean Natural Farming? — Start with KNF food and the disgustingly cheap microbes recipe, then watch Pure KNF Solutions and Microbial Theory before the certification course.
- 40:45 How do worm castings and leachate fit into KNF solutions? — They're not a separate solution but a humic and fulvic acid boost — add fresh leachate or castings tea at 1:200 to 1:1000 to feed fungi and beneficial microbes.
- 48:52 What is the biological role of boron in plants and soil? — Boron drives calcium metabolism and hormone function, but plants show toxicity above 1.8 ppm, so dilute borax lightly — seawater already supplies enough.
- 56:39 Are earthworms and composting worms interchangeable for castings? — No — red wigglers and blue worms differ from earthworms, but fallen leaves draw earthworms into the garden, and IMO on top brings them to the surface.
- 58:37 What does Drake think about GMOs like the Hawaiian papaya? — The ringspot-resistant GMO papaya was a band-aid for chemical farming that had already killed the soil microbiome, not a real fix.
- 1:05:13 Where can I find KNF research papers and get support? — Pureknf.org's research tab hosts peer-reviewed papers, and knfsupport.com has the office hours archive and searchable Q&A.
KNF Office Hours is a free live Q&A every Sunday at 9 AM HST. Bring your question to pureknf.org/learn/questions or join live.
In this episode
- 0:00 Count Down
- 1:59 Intro
- 2:46 Welcome and Good Morning
- 3:07 Hawaiian Moon Phases of the Lāʻau Days
- 5:00 I Ching Reading: Opposition
- 9:59 Pure KNF Class in Brazil with Pedro Camargo
- 13:32 Pure KNF Class in Alabama with Bronson Lubresky
- 16:57 Photos of the KNF Pigs
- 17:57 Testament of Ieyasu
- 21:47 Mitigating Frost Damage with KNF Medicine
- 24:59 Finding Your USDA Hardiness Zone
- 27:53 Making Solutions and IMO in Winter
- 35:36 Where to Start with KNF
- 40:45 Worm Castings, Leachate, Humic and Fulvic Acid
- 48:52 The Biological Role of Boron
- 54:06 Rapping with the Office Hours Crew
- 56:39 Earthworms vs Composting Worms for In Situ Castings
- 58:37 What Drake Thinks About GMOs
- 1:05:13 Research Papers, KNF Support, Classes in Hawaii
Transcript
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2:30 Aloha. Good morning. Good day. Good, uh, good microphone crinkle for you there. Um, Welcome to Office Hours Korean Natural Farming for October 29th, 2023. It's amazing. The year is just going by. It's had a full moon last night. Beautiful. That means that it was a full moon last night.
3:16 Then tonight is a little less than a full moon. And then tomorrow starts the La'ao days for three days. There'll be la'o, meaning that like la'o is Hawaiian moon phase, meaning that it's plants. And those are known as the medicinal days. And those are traditionally good times in the morning to gather the plant material. You're going to make a plant juice, a fruit juice, gathering those in the morning. when the sun and the moon are still above the horizon. That means the most juice is sucked up into the plants
4:04 and one of the best times to get the most medicinal plants harvested. So harvest them then. You'll just find there's extra potency of all the enzymes and hormones and chlorophylls and all those good things that you're trying to gather up in there. So yeah, last night there was, I think, an eclipse. Not on our part of the world here. I don't think we could see it here at the time, but somewhere. I saw it was in Athens at least. But yeah, so good favorable times. Missed the full moon, missed the Halloween. but coming up, you know, I wore my, uh, wore my, wore my disguise for Halloween.
4:54 Yeah. It's a pretty cheap costume. Just causes a carpal tunnel in your wrists. Um, but before we get too far into it, let's get some higher wisdom before I get out in my own zone. And today, today, today, it's not always the interesting. thing about seeking influence from the higher powers. It's not always good. It's sometimes, you know, the life, life is up, waxes and wanes. And today it's number 38. It is a fire over a lake, which stands for opposition. And it says that misunderstanding truth creates opposition.
5:42 So, there are many occasions in life which tempt us into negative thoughts. Anxiety about the future, mistrust of another person, bodily pain, fear of failure, or even fear of success. All these tempt us into mistrusting life and believing that life is against us. When we fall into this trap, we are in opposition to the workings of the creative and success becomes impossible. the simple truth is that every moment in every person's life
6:33 is the teaching he or she needs most at that time it's not always immediately apparent why a thing is happening because the sage is often inclined to work in a roundabout fashion nonetheless whatever is happening now is what must happen. Our only task is to trust the process and allow the lesson to seep in. This hexagram comes as a signal that you are resisting life and preventing your own progress.
7:19 Nonetheless, success is still possible. oh I heard you oh never nevertheless success is still possible I just read that for every opposition carries within it the seeds of agreement cease resisting yourself others life the sage let go of dark thoughts and aggressive actions. By returning to acceptance, neutrality,
8:08 devotion to the way of the sage, you dissolve the opposition within yourself and open the way for understanding and good fortune to arrive. so yeah opposition it's a great one seems seems pretty apropos for the day here i mean not that it's beautiful here it's gorgeous everything looks amazing but worrying about the future all these things you know so my wife and i we often look at our dog and we're like pooch doesn't care pooch is just in the moment pooch isn't worried what's happening around the world. Pooch isn't even worried about finding a meal later today. She just is in the
8:57 moment. And if things don't come, then she reacts right in that moment. And, uh, you know, does, you know, so take some advice from your dogs, dogs. Um, and if you're just listening, you missed the video of all these, uh, gesticular articulations that I do for those, uh, you know, I really, I really dig the I Ching. I really dig it. And, uh, it always, it always seems to be hard hitting good. And it's kind of funny, the opposition that it's given me here. I was just kind of thinking of it this morning and it's like, I was just like, man, having this class coming up
9:36 and have a few good folks come in. But I'm like, man, I always wish there were more people showing up to do it, to be part of the class. Because, because, because what I got, let me transition this screen over here. What I got on this side of the screen, I'll switch over here to this one and switch on over, is that when people come here, they take the class. Great things happen out in the world. And just to prove that to you, I don't know if this is proof, but Pedro, Pedro Camargo emailed me actually October 15th. So a couple of weeks ago, and I forgot to mention it last week.
10:23 Yeah. Eyewitness, you know, what's up? Great people come, but look at this. Pedro is having a class down in Brazil. So Pedro, this great guy right here, he is an amazing father, teacher, educator, earth preserver, amazing dude, great chef, by the way. You know, he taught me how to cook a few things that I, you know, I know how to cook things. And he also, he also taught me a lot about bananas? Um, you know, basically I was cutting my bananas just flat and he's like, bro, you got to cut a little divot in the inside. That way it'll fill with water and then things won't
11:06 get infected. And it's like, man, I learned, learned a lot. So I always, I always appreciate that exchange. But Pedro, peer KNF certified, he came here, took the class, got everything downloaded. Um, and I don't speak Portuguese, but I'm just going to imagine that this says immersive agriculture, natural Korean. Because natural, apparently we share that word in common, natural. So I do know a few Portuguese words. One of them is natural. But Korean natural farming, agriculture, if it was an E, we'd have the same word too, but agriculture. That's cool.
11:50 and I'm assuming it's 8 to 10 December because Dezembro, Dezembro, so that sounds pretty, pretty legit. But if you are in the Brazilian region, which I think he lives near San Paolo, I don't know how to, it's probably at this place, I would imagine. I don't know. I'm just trying, I'm just shooting off the cuff, trying to interpret these languages that I don't know. and metodo de melhoremeto de solo i can't even pronounce this but i'm sure i'm butchering it but um i know that if you get to this class you are going to get an immersive immersive
12:36 education and you're going to be just uh you know out of your mind in terms of just like well and Pedro couldn't be a better guy to teach and spread pure KNF. And so, you know, even with that opposition, I'm like, you know, I've come to realize my life that it's like I'm making only a tiny, perhaps microscopic difference in the world. But, you know, maybe that'll get infectious and turn into a huge, you know, influence. And it's things like this where I get proud, where people are doing other things and they're working really well.
13:14 So, and then let me pull up this other, oh, it's not on that tab. Let me pull this in this tab. I want to pull up this because also, what's up, everybody? Yeah, Pedro for the win. Also, I got a message a couple weeks ago. let me pull this one up and swap this over. Unfortunately, hang on, let me see if I can slide this in and then do this. Will it do it? Okay, yeah. So, and then I know this happened yesterday. Yesterday. So, it's old news, but it's exciting, good, amazing news is that,
14:02 Um, you know, um, another student of mine, Bronson, Bronson Labroski came here. It's not actually Labroski by Labroski. He's, he's my broski, um, came here, um, 2020 in the height of the scamdemic, um, and, uh learned all about natural farming here and now he moved back to alabama where he's from and in the middle he called me he texted me this the other day and he actually called me the day before this of just i think his excitement was getting to him he's a really mellow dude but i think he was super excited about this um in the capital of alabama in birmingham which is like
14:52 you know he had a class uh yesterday at this urban oh he's an urban regional extension agent which you know now he learned natural farming and now he's penetrating into like the university environment you know this came from like a dot edu email he's he's getting in and working with the Alabama extension. And, um, so he did a class from nine to noon. So nice. Um, and had this thing happen. And what did he do? It says, come learn about Korean natural farming and create inputs, solutions, man, solutions using local resources from a certified Korean
15:35 natural farming instructor, learn to increase land fertility with indigenous microorganisms and build more life in soil, plants, animals, and humans. And this event was free with limited space available. You had to pre-register, so now you've got to actually get a time machine if you want to go attend. And, yeah, so he's working at the Jones Valley Farm, which I don't know if they have a website, but it's this teaching farm. He's telling me they bring, like, inner-city kids there and educate people and just like all around goodness.
16:12 And I think they made some plant juice and some water-soluble calcium. So plant juice and some reproduction, can of reproduction, the calciums, and seemed like a good time. And when he called me on the phone, he was reminiscing. He like pulled up these photos from where he was at, and he just remembered what a good time it was. know, and he, he actually camped up at the barn and really took amazing care of the IMO pile and got to know all my animals really well, you know, um, and he was like, you still doing pigs? I'm
16:52 like, yeah, man, I'm still doing pigs. In fact, um, you know, I got some photos of the pigs. Just, I took, I took these photos. I text them back. This is Papa Lala, my boar. What a sweet boy and then we got can i just go to the next photo no and then we got baby bacon she's about to go in the freezer that sweet little lady and then we got uh short ribs here and then her daughter golden girl. And so the pigs, you know, always having those running around. And Bird, thank you for
17:38 super chats. Amazing. Thank you. And also thanks everyone for tuning in. We got Cam too in the house. Chris Flores, Printer Bear, Neverack, here for the good word. Yes. Yes. Yeah, so all good folks tuning in, but, you know, even in the face of opposition, it's like, there's good things happening. What can happen, will happen, what must happen. Um, and I think the key, I was, I was looking at, um, this thing, let me just, I'll pull it up. It's a Testament of Yesu. Um, yeah, here, I'm just gonna pull this up. But, um, you know, I was getting down on some Zen stuff here and, you know,
18:28 oftentimes, you know, like I Ching, we're, we're taught to like take aggressive action and stuff. But this guy, he basically kicked some butt in, in Japan, uh, unified. He was at the right place at the right time. It was really patient, made his move at the right time. But, um, but I also like this, it says, uh, so I'm just going to read the translation here. It says life is like walking along a long road, shouldering a heavy load. There is no need to hurry. One who treats difficulties as the normal state of affairs will never be discontented. Patience is the source of eternal
19:07 peace. Treat anger as an enemy. Harm will befall one who knows only success and has never experienced failure. Blame yourself rather than others. It is better not to reach than to go too far. So again, you know, with all these things, you know, um, but I really like this one. The one who treats difficulties as a normal state of affairs, affairs will never be discontented. It's, uh, I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I've always, you know been lately my my wife and I have just been like you know um if life is sorrow then
19:52 anything else than that is upbeat from there and if it returns to sorrow it's just the normal state of affairs so it's not really that bad um and it's enabled me to be just in a more zen place and if you're not in that zen or if you're if you're feeling good and it's all good I don't mean to like bring anyone down or anything or be like, you know, you're totally cool to be there. But I was just making that so you can see Master Cho here. And he also, he also does a bunch of eightfold path type of, you know, Christian treat others as they would path of Jesus type of good
20:32 stuff, you know, and all these wise people that have come before us to impart this knowledge of basically like, chill out, bro. It's going to be okay. It's heavy. Don't rush. Right. Um, and as we go into winter, you know, my sister in Colorado got to talk to her. She said it was just starting to, uh, to snow on them and, uh, you know, getting, getting into winter for everybody. So we got Joe here. What's up, Joe? Long Island in the house. Um, we may have our first freeze Wednesday with a few weeks early for zone 7b forecast say 34 fahrenheit that's pretty darn
21:16 cold so sad lots of unique summer fruit still in the plants got so much this year knf awesome um yeah so so with these winter questions um actually there's a there's a few soup season very excited. Uh, milk was a bad choice. Um, milk was actually a good choice. I like milk, milky around. Um, no. So, uh, so let me just, um, let, you know, I don't, uh, where I'm at here doesn't freeze, but in Korea where I learned this from, it does freeze. So if you have frost light conditions coming at you and you know it, and you can predict like, you know, the weather guy is
22:00 pretty accurate and you know these frost light conditions are coming at you, what you need to do, and you still got fruits on there and you don't want them to freeze, is that you can actually mitigate this by using the KNF medicine. So Master Cho calls this oriental herbal nutrient. I call it KNF medicine. But what it is, is alcohol mixed with these herbs and um let's see here what am i gonna do i'm pull this up and switch this over like this so the peer in the pure knf book here and scrolling down um the knf medicine
22:44 the oriental herbal nutrient it consists of garlic ginger licorice cinnamon angelica and angelica right there's two parts angelica into this they're all combined and all those get combined and then dilute it one to 1000 and spray it out. And what it does is it is a biostimulant. It helps all the microbes in your system, as well as the plant itself, heat up a little bit. And the alcohol absorption, you know, if you take alcohol, you'll notice like, I don't drink for a while, but you'll heat up, maybe even start sweating a little bit.
23:23 It heats your body up, but then when you combine it with garlic, ginger, licorice, cinnamon, and angelica, all those are also warming herbs, and those help to heat your body up, and you can actually avoid frosts. So if you know it's coming out a few hours before this, you know, before evening time, if it's going to frost overnight, spray out a light dose, just get everything lightly misted with the herbal nutrient, the KNF medicine, and you can avoid frost damage. um your neighbors will get frost damage but you won't um so instead of going out and like burning
24:07 torches and trying to heat up you know cause more global warming or cooling whatever whatever you you you know whatever side of the spectrum you're on um you can actually do it with this way of doing it so if you have some you know herbal nutrient on hand go and do this um and you know you will, you will avoid that. So that's, that's my one tip for that. And then, um, then there's another question here from all one same. Um, I wonder if you're into the Dr. Bronner's all one. Um, I was just eating a chocolate bar the other day and it was like all one. And I was
24:49 like, yeah, but mid-grade chocolate. And can you make solutions and IMOs in the winter in Zone 7? And the answer is, let me just, for my own knowledge here, let me just pull up. because people say zone seven and for me I live in Hawaii I'm not even sure what zone I live in but let's look at this plant hardiness map here you're verifying if I'm a human I swear to you I'm a robot and then you're popping something up immediately how do I get rid of that um ah why I don't want to see your advertisement I'm not going to subscribe I swear to you
25:40 um okay let's this website okay okay if I avoid that edge okay 7b ah now I'm colorblind this is no good for me if I hover over it it shows me this stuff I don't want to see that come on okay 7b I'm assuming New York New York gotta be in here 7b I'm colorblind this is terrible for me oh this is another reason why i don't use these zones um seven oh does it help me if i just no it gives me the state name come on help the colorblind people out don't color code your maps um so i don't know much about this is useless to me sorry um
26:31 yeah um hardiness don't do these guys help colorblind people no they color code it as well okay you know what you know what's helpful is this at least this is a wiki i always don't use wikipedia because it always pops first but let's see here that what is this negative 12 okay so i think this is the um your five to ten i think that What does this mean? From 2. Okay. So I guess this means the temperatures it drops down to at night. I'm just going to guess here. So it looks like it gets cold in 7B. It gets down to 5 to 10, 0 to 5. So you're below freezing for sure.
27:18 7, right? I mean, I'm just trying to interpret what this means. Because to me, I live in Hawaii. It's always the tropics, man. I don't worry about weather. It's either raining or not. So let's see. Okay. So I don't know. I'm scrolling on this just to find any other information. I don't think it's really helping me. Okay. Here, the American. Okay. From 261. What is this? What is this? The summer? I don't know if I'm reading this right. Maybe you guys can help me on this. Okay. Okay. Zone 7 is extreme temperatures in summer and winter.
27:58 can get into the high 90s or higher in the summer and below zero in winter. Okay. Thanks for clarifying because that helps me out a lot. Okay. So basically, um, basically you're, if you're dropping below freezing in winter, and I would say that it is better, like, like your ideal time to make the microbes, the IMOs is kind of early spring, like as you're just leaving winter, that's like the best time. But if you that, but, but then, you know, you also early spring, you got a lot of other things you're probably trying to accomplish and it's not the most
28:39 downtime where you can watch a pile. Um, so doing it in winter is not a bad idea. Um, last, um, I don't know if he's on here today, but stonemason who's in Indiana where it freezes in winter, he basically set up a thing inside where he has a raised, um, uh, in his greenhouse. And then in a raised box, he actually was able to do the IMOs. And one of the favorable things about doing the IMOs in winter is that you don't run into as high temperature runaway because it's easier to vent them and cool them down. Like a turning plus exposure of taking your grass
29:26 layer off the top, your straw layer off the top, and exposing it to the air and turning it, you really lower the temperature. And then once you cover it back up and insulate it, they'll go about doing it. Now, if it's too cold, it means stack your pile taller and make your insulation layer thicker. So if you're putting hay on top, put more hay on top and it will, it's actually a really good time to turn IMOs is in the winter, especially if it's dropping below freezing. The microbes will grow a bit slower, but still things will happen. Now, your other
30:04 solutions such as making plant. Oh, what's up, Allie from Missoula. Cat Grizz, I think, is coming up. Was it? I don't know. I got a thing from those guys saying Cat Grizz was soon. I don't know when it was. Maybe it's in November. I'm not sure. Go cats. No, sorry. Um, but, um, so, but in the, in the winter, um, you know, so, so plant juice in the winter, it's challenging because all your plants don't really have fruits and they're frozen. So I would say that is definitely an early spring thing to do. And it only takes, uh, five to seven
30:46 days, you know, 10 days at the most in spring. But yeah, so that's hard to do. But other solutions such as the calcium, calcium phosphate, the reproduction, the structure, you know, burning some bones. Hey, you already got probably fires going. So, you know, char some bones, char some eggshells, not char, but toast some eggshells, char some bones. Probably don't breathe in that smoke, but those are good. They'll dissolve out throughout the winter. Great thing to do. You know, watch it just lava lamp out for a few, for a week or so. And what else? Great,
31:27 great time to do K&F medicine, get all your herbs tincturing. You're just there, you know, stirring the jar each day or turning. I just, I kind of shake them to be honest, but shaking the jars each day, you know, great time. Plus you can take little nips of that to taste to make sure warm yourself up a little bit um and making um knf protectors culturing your lactobacillus it's probably just going to take longer but if you culture it you know inside your house type of thing would be good and then you know knf cleanser another one to do it just takes
32:03 so long um to do many months so you may as well get a cleanser going and the fish aminos um the the fuel here um you know you could do it in the winter but i would you know nothing nothing it's just going to take longer nothing's going to hurt it per se but i would say it's a great time to do imos granted it's not the best time to get an imo1 collection so get your collection before it freezes in the winter and it's probably a little late now um because it's you know extreme temperature is going fluctuating but so if you had an im01 from earlier the fall or the the spring
32:46 those would be best but it's a little late to go collect it now if you don't have one you know and if you're going to go the ultra cheap route like if i scroll down to the back the end of the book here and i get down to the disgustingly cheap microbes and you're doing these in the winter. And I was actually, I was actually just looking at this here, and I was looking at some photos where, oh yeah, here. And I was looking at this. So here's another example of that, where, you know, a big barrel, and then you have your microbes kind of bubbling, and you can see
33:27 this nice bubble ring and all this. So if you're doing this type of method, and you got your your microbes dangling in there and your starch dangling in there. Um, put a bucket heater in there and keep it, you know, uh, 50 to 60 degrees somewhere in that region. Um, and then it'll go fat, you know, faster. If your water freezes and it gets too cold, it won't happen. So throw a little bucket heater in there if you're going to go that route. Um, but yeah, this was a, you know, nice microbe, disgustingly cheap way of going about it. Um,
33:58 and um so yeah and and i would say it's a lot easier to do it winter fall spring than it is in summer if it's going to get those extreme heats so plan on it do it well um you know get get those things ahead of it and do it right um yeah so yeah soup season soup soup um let's see what else is going to get into here What's up, Cecily? Hey, tuning in from the UK. She's headed back to Australia on Tuesday. She's taking KNF medicine every day, staying warm up there in the UK.
34:43 Five mils every day, and it's a lifesaver. I was 81 yesterday with a pacemaker going strong. hey, happy birthday. And, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool. That's cool. Keep, keep healthy heart, healthy, healthy mind, healthy body, all these things. My wife keeps reminding me I got to stay healthy because she wants to live long with me. It's like, okay, okay. I think I can do that. Um, and, oh, um, let's see. Okay. Um, let's see here. Okay. Yes, solution zone. So yeah, well, that's possible. Okay.
35:32 Reach linger. Okay, I'm going to try and pronounce this properly. I'm trying not to learn and not get and learn then get over trying to learn then get overwhelmed. Okay, so she's trying to learn and then getting overwhelmed. Still not understanding. Not sure where to start. and I need medicine. Oh, okay. Well, um, uh, so, you know, a classic thing where, where to start with KNF, where, where to start? I got an ear itch. Hang on. Opposition. Where to start with KNF? I would say start here. So these disgustingly, well, first off, you know, if you grab this book,
36:12 it's pretty good. Check out the videos, check out the office hours, go look at them. But this book It gives you a kind of overview, gets you in, lets you know of all the solutions. You know, all these are master chose. And then they have disgustingly cheap versions of them that are JDAMs. Kind of outlines how to build these basic solutions, how to apply them. It may look like a lot and it can be overwhelming. But I try to simplify it. And another, so, but another, you know, uh, I would say if you're going to start with one
36:48 solution, you want to start somewhere. Um, I would say, I know I'm scrolling pretty faster, but I would say, start with the K and F food. Okay. This, this here, it's pretty easy. Uh, in wintertime, it's not necessarily the easiest cause you got to gather plant material. Um, but go gather those plants in the morning, just the tips, ferment them. You know, if you read this, I think you should be pretty well off. There's a few videos. Uh, there's one dude that I don't recommend out there that is pretty popular, but he's, oh man, he doesn't have the best methods.
37:22 Um, but, um, but you can watch that for reference and then you'll, you'll learn and refine it and get better. Um, and it's, I mean, it is a decent place to begin. Um, and then I would also say, start with your microbes start with this disgustingly cheap microbes recipe and then um the other place if you're wanting to start and wanting to understand um if you look on the channel below subscribe um you don't need to subscribe but um if you go hang on let me stop this and i'm going to go to my channel here um just so you can see this or you would see it i
38:00 think yours looks fairly similar to this. Let me pull it over. Um, but where I would start if you're completely new and you're getting overwhelmed is go and check out this pure KNF solutions and microbial theory. Okay. And watch that as a noob into it. Um, and, um, and so this this thing you'll get you a good intro into it there's all the office hours here you know you can search them knf support i do have videos on the solutions themselves on how to make them you know here's making a plant juice um right here um and then also you
38:45 know a starting recommendation is you check out this you know if you're if you had a bunch of time check out this KNF certification course. Um, it's a really good, or this intro, you know, these are, I've done these a while ago, but these are good. Master Cho talks about these, you know, like how to get into these. Elaine Ingham gives you the soil theory. Um, Cho Young song teaching about his cheap ones. Um, and then, you know, so, so there's a lot of starting points. It's like, but I can see overwhelming. There's a lot to get into, but,
39:21 um, but, but if you were to just do, you only had a tiny bit of time to two hours to, you know, the last part is the question to answer. I would start with this one because I break it down in pure English. Um, it's an overview. It tells how they all work together. And then it explains the microbes pretty simply. And then if you want to dive in deeper, I would go with this one here, this KNF certification course, and then maybe also this one or these. Yeah, Stone Mason in the house, all you guys. But yeah, check out the channel, start exploring, browse. You know,
39:59 you can always click this videos tab and then you just like, you know, you get all the videos I've made and it just goes on for days. You can just scroll here and, you know, see how many videos I've put out, thousands of them. And, you know, that can be overwhelming, but you can also search and find good things. You know, pick something that's appealing, something with a high view count. I don't know. You know, anyway, or you can just come here, take a class and that's the most, you know, for whatever your situation is, feel free to ask any questions here, tune into the
40:34 office hours, show up Sundays, ask questions, I'll help you out, you know, as best as I can, make it into your, your situation, try and help you out. So I'm going to answer this question from Allie here talking about worm castings and how do they, and, and how leachates and how do they fit into KNF? Are there other ways to enhance this with like, with other KNF solutions? So if I pull up the recipe book and I look, so I'm going to pull up the recipe book here and I'm going to look at it. I'm going to pull up here where I'm looking at how to make the
41:16 microbes. So start with seed IMO, then you get propagated, then you get activated IMO. maybe that's not the clearest but you got your seed IMOs worm castings don't really help you here but then you get into propagating your microorganisms and here right here I'll zoom in here and it says adding one to a thousand humic and fulvic acids so what that is worm castings are are full of humic and fulvic acids. They're that nice brown color to tan color when you dilute them. And those are humics and fulvics, which are very complex carbohydrates. Like if I look this up
42:04 and I look up fulvic acid, you know, I'm going to go pull up the Wikipedia on this. Is there a Wikipedia? There's got to be one here, right here. Humic acid. Okay. So it's under humic acids, humic substances worm worm castings worm leachate are full of these worm leachate one thing you got to worry is is that if you let it get anaerobic and kind of super stinky it's not as good so using your worm leachate fresh is where it's at but but the worm castings are full of humic acid and fulvic acid and these basically they're like fungal foods you want to grow fungus you want to
42:45 get beneficial thick nice beneficial indigenous microorganisms worm castings are the the the key for these guys they they love them um and it works really well so um but you can read about um you know here it's talking about you know it's a large molecular complex of the soil humome that confer humic matter it's bioactivity and soil and its role as a plant growth promoter so they're plant growth promoters they're they help the soil all these things um and and it's it totally fits in you can you can combine them anytime you're using um plant you know anything
43:30 you can you can add them in one to one thousand one to five hundred you know dilute it in that range, you're not going to get burning. You can even apply them stronger than that in soil drenches because they're going to go into the soil. But if you're going to spray them directly on plants, I dilute them, you know, one to 200, one to 1000, somewhere in that range, find what works for you. You know, there's leachate may be different than humic acid, but you know, it's always the less on is not to be a moron. So even though it seems like more would
44:03 be better. Sometimes less is better. And these are the things like when you're looking at these worm leachates, they're these complex carbon chains. And I mean, this is just one of them, right? But here's fulvic acid. It's this complex carbon, hydrogen, oxygen chain here that it just fuels the microbiome. It fuels the soil. These also are super good at tying up toxins. These carbon chains will be able to like buffer similar to like liquid biochar almost. They'll tie up like if you have too many salts in your soil, worm juice is really good. These humid
44:46 compounds tie everything up. Um, you know, so worm, worm juice, all those things, they're just amazing. Plus the worms, worm juice themselves. I'm going to get out of, oh, ancient masonry since, uh, since stone masons here, archeological finds in ancient Egypt use mud bricks reinforced with straw and humic acid. So if you're also trying to build a house out of mud, uh, worm juice that's your friend um so um so yeah um but what i was gonna say the worm's microbiome is also complex and so if you're getting fresh um liquid uh micro you know fresh leachate fresh castings
45:33 you're able to bubble the castings make them aerobic um or fresh castings and just drip them water and get that nice solution out. You're going to get the microbiome from your worms, which is also like, you know, it's unique, but it's really good. And, you know, worms are just out there eating dirt or compost or breaking it down. And worms are, you know, kind of like miracle animals doing their thing. So I can't recommend it enough. If you're doing the worms, mix it in with anything else, one to 500, one to a thousand, one to 200, maybe. If you're going to
46:06 drench maybe one to 20 like dilutions, you know, but, but again, the less on is, is not to be a moron. Um, so anyway, I just always, you know, even though I get excited about these things, I'm always, um, saying, you know, um, ease up on them and, and do it. Um, you know, it, one, one thing, one thing I know is that my mom uses, um, the worm juice. She has a little mini worm farm and she loves it. It's, it's amazing. It eats all her, um, you know, she cuts up the papaya real small, puts them in there, takes really good care of her worms. And then she uses it on her
46:44 orchids and there's no fungal issues and the orchids just pop, you know, they're, they're, they're just, it's gorgeous. And she talked before about, you know, she would tell this story about how she was spraying all this poison to deal with funguses. And she was like, what the hell am I doing. And then was, and then stop growing orchids. And then her friend told her, Oh, why, why, you know, use the worm tea. And, and now she does. And in the orchids are amazing. And so one solution I know she does is instead of watering the orchids and watering it in,
47:15 she'll take the orchids and put them, make a sink or a tub full and put the worm tea just in there diluted, and then take the orchids and soak them in and just set them in there for about five, 10 minutes once a week and then put them back where she has them around the house and that that's enough to just keep them powered up and give them nutrients you know everything they need because the interesting thing about orchids is they like they're not in the ground they usually grow like on a plant i don't know what that's called like like um someone probably knows the
47:48 technical name but but they'll just like whatever's dripping down from the plant is what they're eating, which is very similar to worm tea slash humix slash fulvix that are coming off the bark and all that. So anyway, interesting. If you're doing like aeroponic type stuff, worm tea, man, it's going to be great. So I don't, I don't specifically talk about it as a can of solution, but you know, because to make it, because it's not something you make, it's something worms make, and you just use the, those, but I hope that gives you an understanding of worms and how they fit in.
48:19 They're just, they're amazing. I just tell you, you can't, can't really go wrong with worms. Um, unless they're, you know, too many in there in you, um, which, you know, anyway, I don't think those are the type of worms you're talking about. Um, so, um, let's see here. Eyewitness, he's been diluting most of the solutions in a gallon every day to drink during the day. And I believe it's contributing to your overall health considerably. Awesome. I need to up my game on that. and we need boron I know I do so boron let me just let me why not pull up let's see if
49:01 wikipedia just has boron if I type boron let's see yeah it did okay so boron it's boring no it's moron it's great it's a small crystalline metalloid so it's a low elemental thing here and boron helps a lot of other stuff do its thing. It's in meteoroids too. So you can just buy borax in the store instead of buying boron. Buy borax, dilute that stuff, throw it around. Which I think is interesting here. The history boron coined from borax is the mineral from which it was isolated by analogy with carbon so boron which boron resembles
49:52 chemically so because carbon and boron are similar to each other i think that's a huge key like they're they're just octaves of each other um and boron let's see allotropes chemistry atomic structures. Let's just skip all this boring stuff. But look how many different shapes it can take. And I think that's one of the keys of what it does is it's a shape shifter. Just like carbon, it can build different structures. And I think that it's that's part of why it works. Organoboron, TLDR, man, come on. But it can be like one of those keys that if you add a little bit of it, it unlocks everything
50:39 else. Let's see, I'm just TLDR. Sorry, I'm scrolling really fast. I'm just looking for anything interesting. And insecticide, it's, yeah, it works well against ants, fleas, and cockroaches. So, you know, as a natural, just you scatter around your baseboards, you won't have those animals coming in. Insects, I guess. Is it an insect and animal? Pretty sure it is. um it's also used in pyrotechnic flares so you know if you want your microbes to have fun throw some in there um anti-corrosion systems so apparently it'll stop um oxidization
51:23 it's used in jet fuel um let's see biological role here's what i was looking for man that's long article um though boron plays an essential role in animals including humans the exact physiological role is poorly understood so um but apparently it's important but we just don't understand it um so you need it and trust me um so studies suggest it helps with the calcium metabolism, bone formation, brain function, insulin, energy, substrate, metabolism, immunity, steroid hormones, vitamin D function, among others. So this thing looks pretty important.
52:16 And so and then up here it says nearly all plants even though somewhat tolerant to soil boron will show toxicity symptoms when it's greater than 1.8 parts per million. So again, don't be a moron with this. Be easy on it. But it looks like it's super important for a lot of things. It also helps reduce inflammatory biomarkers. So if you're having any inflammation, maybe boron is what you need. And it's in a naturally balanced diet. And there even exists several known boron-containing antibiotics.
53:02 So boron, if you get it in there, then it'll help your microbes be more robust. So anyway, I do think, you know, here's what boron toxicity looks like. The toxicity. A lot of things look like that too. But anyway, so but yeah, boron is in the seawater. Who's saying that? Seawater has boron. Everything else in it, access to the ocean is invaluable to grow food. Yes. So just get seawater, sea salt. You'll get enough boron from that. Probably in the right ratio that you need anyway. So. Yeah. Yeah, so boron, yeah, let's see.
53:55 Okay, yeah, straight up. Okay, let's see. You know, it's my favorite thing about people that are 81 is they eat McDonald's without any care. It's so good. I love McDonald's. but definitely not an everyday McDonald's. Every, you know, every time I go there, I'm impressed with the quality though, right? For the price. I'm just like, well, anyway, I'm not a McDonald's hater, even though I'm like a natural guy. I try to eat local, but I also love corporate America. It's been great. I know some people hate me, put it in the comments below if you disagree, right? Come on, you guys,
54:35 like look around you at everything came from a corporation and then try and hate on those. but hey you know I'm not saying everything's great opposition what's up opposition in the house I like Mitchell he's throwing on some corn for the gym I hope it's freak on a leash one of my favorite albums I used to listen to that almost every day going to high school you know nothing gets you in the mood for high school like listening to corn what's up Mark Mark up in Oregon man you You've been traveling. Where's Brookings, Oregon? Let's just see. I'm going to see. Brookings,
55:12 Oregon. Why not just Wikipedia stuff while people are around on here? TripAdvisor. Let's just see. We'll pull up the Wikipedia. Where is it in Oregon? No map. Come on. Okay. It's down on the left corner. Oh, it's right above Northern California. Cool. That looks like a sweet place, man. That area down there, you know, just, oh man, the redwoods and stuff. Oh, I love that area. um yeah look at this oh look at that beach man seawater for days mark gotta start marketing that stuff marks marketed stuff look at this palm trees it's mild apparently look at that palm tree
55:52 and those pickup trucks you know you're in good good company of folks if there's pickup trucks and let's see look at this harbor oh man that looks peaceful and uh what else the beach again the beach you're at a beach bet you there's those um sand dollar things out there um cool awesome mark um okay okay okay let's get back on this okay um let's see epiphytes oh epiphytes epiphytic someone got it epiphytes yep they grew up in trees that's what i was talking about the orchids epiphytes um yeah makes sense cool
56:35 jungle cactus um joe is saying he makes worm castings in place he just puts a layer of fallen leaves on the garden if you go out at night with a flashlight you can see hundreds of worms scattering when you shine the light on them um yeah i i highly recommend just in situ worm casting I do want to bring up one point though is that there's a difference between like composting worms which are like red wigglers and the blue worms and earthworms there is a difference they're not interchangeable and I don't know how the leachate comes out of each but earthworms
57:13 you know amazing things highly recommend just in situ trying to encourage them um but you know composting worms also have their place for composting but yeah uh and one of the best things about IMO is once you put out your IMO um you um you encourage worms worms love it like if you sprinkle IMO on top you'll see the worms will come to the surface so um you want to encourage worms in the ground hey thank you stonemason um you know imos imos feed the worms it makes the ground happy um it all works well together so um hey thanks cheryl oh man oh oh
58:00 oh thank you oh yay um cool it's always nice to um yeah get the flow coming in you yeah thank you thank you i can't say enough you know it's thank you thank you um okay um and then before i dive into this oh man we only got five four minutes left man a time flew okay so every uh let's see we'll go through all that we got borax for humans okay yeah borax for humans great low dilute very dilute do all that um 30 minutes from crescent city i don't know where that is but sounds awesome um okay yeah thanks for the super chat to you guys okay So I got two more things.
58:43 One thing I wanted to cover and then another thing that I wanted to cover. Okay. So what do I think about GMOs, genetically modified organisms? I'm assuming that's what you're talking about. Not great microorganisms, but genetically modified organisms. My thought on GMOs is that messing with the biome and thinking you're doing good is probably not the best idea. I actually have an interesting familial history with that because my family used to, my dad retired now, but he used to be in the papaya industry.
59:22 And one of the first genetically modified organisms licensed for commercial use was the Hawaiian papaya. They used it to combat ring spot. And I can tell you, number one, number one is that it was because of poor practices, because of chemical farming where they completely killed the soil microbiome and because they decimated the plant's ability to uptake what it needs from the soil. And they were chemically farming that that is why the ring spot got out of hand. I mean, you know, people could debate me, opposition put in the comments.
59:58 um uh but um but that um you know it poor farming practices are what necessitated it then then you start to get in and so that was how they they cracked the door open was the the hawaiian papaya so i have direct familial history because we're involved in the papaya industry here for um my you know my dad for a decade of his life um he didn't start that way He actually started propagating fruit trees and all that. And so don't let the GMOs bring you down. It's not like he did it himself. But I met the guy, Dr. Gonsalves, who invented the first GMO.
1:00:36 He came here, great guy, trying to do good for the earth, not realizing the broader pictures, not understanding the microbiome of the whole system, not understanding poor farming practices. They were just trying to get something to work so they could continue to do chemical farming. And most of the funding comes from the chemical industry. So it's really hard to get studies to understand other ways. So that's how GMOs got here. And then after they got the Hawaiian papaya out there, they're like, well, there's GMOs out there so we can do these ones.
1:01:06 And that's where they started mixing in like BT, Bacillus thuringiensis in there. And then they started to put in Roundup Ready genes and splicing other bacterias into plants. And I don't think any of that's necessarily that great for you. Um, you know, we're, we're, we're living in real time to see what the long-term history and effects of these will be. I know there's a number of health problems out there, and I'm not saying it's from those, uh, by modifying organisms. I'm just saying that we don't know. We are a living experiment of what is happening on a multi-generational scale.
1:01:44 I know, you know, um, I know certain bacteria swap DNA in and out, uh, all the time. So they do it. So microbes, microbes in you are constantly GMOing themselves. So I don't think that the technology itself is inherently bad. You know, you start getting into CRISPR where you can do things. I just think that largely, I don't know if you should consume the things. I don't know. That's a long-term experiment. And number two is that it's just a band-aid for poor farming practices. It's like we have a sepsis wound underneath and we're just putting a band-aid on the top to be like, yay, now it works.
1:02:23 And, you know, sure, you hid the core of where the wound was like oozing out of you with a band-aid, but you didn't fix the underlying infection, which is like, you know, poor farming practices, really. You know, if you had a fertile, abundant earth, you wouldn't need a genetically modified thing to avoid one disease. you'd actually improve the whole microbiome, the whole soil, the whole thing, and you'd get it. So I'm not 100% opposed to GMOs. I know people that do that stuff. CRISPR is an interesting technology, but I don't think it's long-term the right way to go.
1:03:02 I think building our soil is better, and I'm not sure what happens if you consume it for a whole lifetime. And if you are interested in GMOs, I don't mention this that often, but microbialsecret.org. So microbialsecret.org here, I'm going to pull this up, see. So this is a podcast I used to do all the time. And then if you go up here, it doesn't even work anymore. I got to maintain this. But under episodes here, I talked to Lucas Kambik here about about genetic magic and electrobiology. And there's my caricature of Lucas here, but these,
1:03:47 this expanding tree and all this. And we talked about Tesla coils, other things, but he was, this guy was making GMOs. He was a university student doing a lot of GMOs. And a lot of that CRISPR tech comes out of Hawaii, you know, for better, for worse. We've done a lot of stuff to mess with the earth in Hawaii. And, um, so I did get into this and you can listen to the first hour free here, you know, on, um, uh, and then, you know, if you want the second hour, you got to subscribe. Um, but, um, I think the GMO stuff is really great. And, um, I really enjoyed making
1:04:26 that podcast. Lucas is an amazing dude. He did suffer a head injury, not to not, um, just before my, my interview with him, he used to be like a super whiz. And then once he got his head injury, it was harder for him to think a little bit. Um, so, so anyway, but, uh, he's, he's a blessed brother out there. Um, good friend of mine. Um, um, you know, we kind of have a tight circle of friends that I used to live with those guys and, um, you know, known a guy for a long time. So anyway, um, so all that, Hey, what's up goof. Good to see you, man. Been missing you. I don't know.
1:04:58 maybe you've been in the chat, but anyway. So yeah, GMO is a big thing to get into. IMO is probably a better solution. And then let me just, the last thing I did want to leave with today, because this is something I already pulled up here, is that when I was talking to Bronson, he was working with the extension and he thanked me specifically for Pure KNF Foundation sponsoring this episode here that you're seeing right now happening. A great organization doing cool things out there. And then if you go up to pureknf.org to see that and you hit on this research tab,
1:05:35 you will find that there's all these papers and all these papers are put out as scientific research papers. And for him to get peer-reviewed papers for the extension, that's all they care about is peer reviewed stuff. And so he was thanking me for this. So I just mentioned that to you guys here as a resource that's out there. And Pure KNF Foundation, we're always trying to make it better, do more things. They bring you this. They also bring you KNF support right here. Click on that guy. He brings you up this new tab here with KNF support, which has the office hours
1:06:14 here and I got to answer a few questions. I've been putting these off for a week. I'm trying to get better solutions than just answering by saying we're working on it, but trying to actually get things implemented. But the book, you can download it here, you can search, you can do all these things if you want more. Of course, those of you that are long-term members know these things are here. But KNF support, great using these, searching, finding answers goofman awesome he helps out with this and it's just like epic i mean he has
1:06:47 some of the best answers out there and then lastly um lastly is my class is still coming up at knffarm.com here knffarm.com pull that up and um i do have a class coming up like in a week or it's close it's Yeah, it's like T minus. I'm getting ready for it already. So I'm already buying the supplies and things. So do have a class coming up. If you want to get on it last minute, no worries. Jump in. It's great. And then I also have another offering coming up in January. So if you do want to check those things out, you know, learn, get good, get, you know,
1:07:27 get just like your top shelf into learning about natural farming, getting the ins and Now it's being here, you know, that experience is probably priceless. But, but all those things. So thanks, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for being part of the community. Thanks for, you know, dealing with all this opposition. What has to happen is happening. Learn the bigger lessons. Try not to resist too many things. You know, have a great thing. Thanks, Master Cho. Thanks to the Pure K&F Foundation. Thanks to Flat Eric. Thanks to Cheryl, Stone Mason, Bird, all those that dropped super chats today.
1:08:05 And then thank you all for tuning in and being part of the community. Like, share, subscribe. I don't know. Or just be a better person in general. That's probably worth more than anything. And I'll be back next week, I think. Yeah, probably. I'm almost always here. Oh, and one last thing. Check it out. I'm wearing a shirt from Bozeman. So what's up, Allie? My mom and sister went up too. went up to Glacier National Park this summer and they stopped through Bozeman and they ate at the naked noodle. So if you're from that area and you know what I'm talking about, yeah, like,
1:08:40 subscribe, baby, or whatever, just, you know, go get a naked noodle for me. Um, and, uh, you know, or, or, uh, a La Perea or, uh, what else is good there? A pickle barrel, maybe a pickle barrel. Yeah. Okay. Anyway. Yeah. Thanks. Blessings. Love you all. I'm gonna, um, I'm gonna go away. I think I'm going to do one of those quick slides again. Okay. So love you. Peace. Bye.