IMO Bath, Hemp Hurd for IMO3, Transplanting with WCA
Drake reviews two videos Julia sent from Finland: collecting IMO2 in multiple boxes at once, then combining them for more diversity, and building an IMO3 pile on hemp hurd mixed with a starch like Milron or wheat flour, turned on a tarp so moisture doesn't drain out the bottom. He also covers his own smaller IMO4 pile, turned with a BCS tiller and power ridger, moved to a fresh spot each turn so the bottom doesn't overheat.
On the IMO bath, Drake explains that sweating opens your pores so beneficial microbes embed in your skin like armor, and they survive a shower afterward. He gives a simple apple vinegar recipe (mash apples, add water, let it sit) and the KNF Cleanser ratio: one part fruit or grain solids to two parts water, jar filled two-thirds full, breathable lid, fermented three to six months until it tests below pH 2.4.
Several minutes cover KNF resources: Julia's cousin Frida is the first student to learn KNF at her Finland agricultural university, Professor Do Hwan Kim teaches it at Konkuk University in Seoul, and pureknf.org hosts research papers plus 2016 International Symposium talks. Drake is looking for translators for Master Cho's untranslated Korean books and offers credit and subtitles. He also points to naturalfarminghawaii.net for KNF pig barn building plans and a 2008 cost breakdown.
Listener questions cover transplanting mature blueberry bushes (soak with KNF Reproduction/WCA plus Maintenance, then ring the drip line with IMO), a normal curd layer on stored KNF Protectors (LAB) serum and how to filter it through a fine cloth, pushing tomato production by cycling the Leaf, Bloom, and Fruit formulas instead of forcing growth, spray rig options (a Maruyama backpack pump or a PTO/Venturi sprayer), and Wedelia as Drake's go-to plant for Jadam herbal solution.
Questions answered
- 7:03 Where can I find Master Cho's book? — You can find it if you look hard enough; Drake is trying to figure out how to get it to the public.
- 8:09 How do you collect and combine multiple IMO2 boxes? — Set out several collection boxes at once, then mix them together once they're ready for more microbial diversity.
- 13:25 What's a good medium for an IMO3 pile, and how do you mix it? — Hemp hurd works well with a starch like Milron or wheat flour mixed in, and turning it on a tarp keeps moisture from draining out.
- 18:55 Is a little pink, red, or black in an IMO collection a problem? — A little is fine — once mixed with sugar, the good microbes will out-compete the bad ones.
- 19:29 Can IMO microbes survive a shower after an IMO bath? — Yes — sweating opens your pores so the microbes embed in your skin, like microbial armor.
- 28:04 Is there an easy recipe for apple vinegar? — Mash leftover apples with water and let the solids sit about three months; they turn into vinegar on their own.
- 41:57 Where can I find plans and costs for a KNF pig barn? — naturalfarminghawaii.net, under Livestock then Pigs, has the building drawings, a cost breakdown, and the University of Hawaii guide.
- 45:52 Any tips for transplanting mature bare-root blueberry bushes? — Add KNF Reproduction (water-soluble calcium) to the Maintenance soak, then ring the drip line with IMO after planting.
- 51:22 Is it normal for LAB serum (KNF Protectors) to form a curd layer on top? — Yes, the lactobacillus curds rising up and forming a thin layer on top is normal.
- 53:46 What's a good bloom booster to push tomato production? — Natural farming isn't about pushing production — cycle the Leaf, Bloom, and Fruit formulas from the Recipe Book to keep the plant balanced.
- 59:50 How do you stop curds from re-forming in stored LAB serum? — Pour it through a fine cloth like a t-shirt, not cheesecloth, and filter twice if needed.
- 1:01:19 What are you using to spray, and how do I set up a spray rig? — A Maruyama backpack-mount pump with a 65-foot hose for hand spraying, or a PTO sprayer with a boom for larger areas.
- 1:04:28 Are nebulizers or atomizers good for spraying KNF solutions? — Fine mist is fine for maintenance solution, but it's harder on microbes.
- 1:05:10 What herbs or plants work well for Jadam herbal solution? — Drake uses Wedelia (Sphagneticola trilobata) — it grows fast, resists pests, and is non-toxic.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Intro and Welcome
- 1:22 I Ching Reading - Progress
- 7:14 Master Cho's Book - Hard to Find
- 8:09 Julia's IMO2 Collection
- 13:15 Julia's IMO3 - Hemp Hurd, Tarp Mixing
- 18:55 Pink, Red, Black IMO - When It's OK
- 19:35 IMO Bath and Sweat
- 25:25 Turning an IMO4 Pile with a BCS
- 28:15 Apple Vinegar and KNF Cleanser Recipe
- 34:00 Julia's Cousin Frida - KNF in Finland
- 35:49 Professor Kim and pureknf.org Research
- 38:03 Konkuk 2016 Symposium; Translation Credit
- 40:51 Untranslated Books; Male Flower Vinegar
- 41:57 KNF Barn Plans and Costs
- 46:20 Transplanting Mature Plants
- 51:20 KNF Protectors (LAB) Curd Layer
- 53:42 Tomato Bloom Booster and Balance
- 59:27 Filtering KNF Protectors
- 1:01:19 Spray Rig Setup
- 1:05:10 Jadam Herbal Solution Plant
Transcript
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0:30 hey aloha and welcome to korean natural farming office hour for october 2nd 2022 too, and I realize you guys got daylight savings and all that going on, but we don't do that here in Hawaii. So, yeah, I think it is daylight savings at least. Maybe. My sister is here. Hey, hey, hey. How's it, everybody? So I want to just start off with some good higher inspiration, and ooh, yay.
1:18 Unlike last time where we had oppression and exhaustion, this time we got progress. and it's a fire over the earth, which means you progress like the rising sun. The brighter your virtue, the higher you rise. This hexagram announces a time of significant and easy progress. Your influence and understanding grows by leaps and pounds, as long as you maintain your alliance with the sage. For it is from that alliance that your current progress springs. The only limit to your growth now is your devotion to higher things.
2:07 If this is true, complete, and steady, there will be great gains now. The image of the hexagram is that of the sun rising over the earth. To our view, the further it moves away from darkness, the higher the sun rises. The same is true of us. The extent to which we progress is determined by how far we distance ourselves from inferior influences. It's important when success comes not to fall into the traps of the ego. taking credit for gains, resting on laurels, indulging in desires, or plotting towards ambitions.
3:00 The superior person instead uses times of progress to brighten his virtue, recognizing it was his commitment to proper principles that brought about success in the first place. continue to purify your thoughts attitudes and conduct now the greatest power in this beneficial time accrues to those who serve the higher power in every moment yeah so yeah that's a good one progress just had a good good weekend my sister got married Oh my gosh. To a great guy from Colorado and they live just outside of Denver so
3:51 it was nice to see her. I don't always see her all the time. Let me just type that in wrong. Hang on. um but yeah it was nice went to the beach hung out um had a great time over there and uh do i take any pictures maybe i got one picture to ensure you guys you know coming to hawaii having a good time having the whole family come here we had a farm tour they checked out our pigs and verified sure enough they don't stink it's amazing right let's see if I got a picture of this here yeah I don't know if you guys
4:40 see it it doesn't show up that well but at the beach having fun, getting married let's see any other pictures and then they had the obligatory Hawaii sunset picture you know getting married to the beach so it was nice um it was nice to see the landscapes over konasai the desert swim in the ocean um you know each it's kind of funny each time i go over there i swim in the ocean a little bit and there's less and less fish each time although we did see some manta rays and those were good um but yeah always i always think you know it's hard for me
5:28 to sometimes take time off. Although, um, our friend Nula watched the farm here and all our chickens and all our pigs survived and farms. Great. She really did a great job while we were there. Um, and let me get here. So, um, yeah. Oh man. Getting some spam in my email. Let's get rid this stuff real quick. Okay. Okay. So, um, it's good to see all you guys. Hey, what's, um, Stone Mason tuning in, Cheryl from Idaho. We got, um, Mark coming down. I don't know where Mark's at these days, California someplace. Julia from Finland, Allie from Montana.
6:16 hey the goof man in new york sicily in western australia hey eyewitness hopefully hopefully you survived uh hurricane ian down there saw that was kind of gnarly so uh land of flowers hopefully it's not flowers over grave sites of dead boats from getting taken out by a hurricane but yeah hey and george man how's it and shivy and New York. Hey, cool. Yeah. I am indeed in live. Yeah. I am indeed thirsty. Forgot my, uh, forgot to bring enough water over there. Not that there's not water, but their water is like all chlorinated and not that great. Okay. So, um,
7:03 okay so um cool so um Mitchell Mitchell's asking a question here in the email I'm looking looking at this email and he was asking about um the book that Master Cho wrote that I had last time and um you know, you can find that around if you look hard enough, but, um, I will figure out some way to get it to the public. I think, um, you know, I think that's a gem and, uh, Master Cho's old books like that are amazing. So, um, we'll try and figure that out. Um, let's see here. Yeah.
7:50 Okay, I wanted to start off today a little bit over here, because this actually came on September 14th, which was like a couple of weeks ago, but let's see, I'm going to transition this over to this one, get that to go, and this is, Julia sent me this of getting her IMO 2 micros. So, um, and I'll speed it up just a little bit, just cause, um, oh, nice squirrels in the trees. So I think this is her collecting the IMOs, because before we watched the one where she set them out there, but I'm pretty sure this is her
8:37 and her cousin collecting them. And she told me that she... Oh, cool. Yep, yep, nice. Nice mycelium there. But her cousin was doing a... I believe it's her cousin. Okay, yep, yep. Nice, nice. Not whole. It looks to me like maybe you could have collected them a little bit earlier, but still good. Nice collections. Nice blueberries. But her cousin was doing an agricultural degree at the university.
9:28 Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah, it looks to me like you could have gathered this slightly earlier, but those are going to be great, good microbes. doing their thing. Yeah, when it blooms up like that and it's starting to come down, it looks like you could have gathered this slightly earlier. But awesome. I'm not sure how long the collection was here. Eyewitnesses talking about his banana plant taking a beating in the hurricane. Cool. Is there volume on this? I don't know. I'm not hearing it if there is. Maybe I gotta pump this other volume through this one like that.
10:14 Oh yeah, okay. This one looks like almost all the best. This is funny, that one's in cardboard. Got a little bugs in there, no problem. Just mix them with the sugar, they'll be good. even though my microbes are climbing up to the lid. This one by far, of all that you pulled so far, that one looks the best. It's funny that it's in cardboard. Because sometimes cardboard is, you know, it's harder to clean to get out. And I got to like this, right? Oh, yeah. And for some reason, I was subscribed to your channel. I don't know why. I might unsubscribe me. Oh, you know why?
10:59 Because I'm in this different account, right? I'm in my foundation account. that's why I'm not subscribed. So look at this nice wooded area, all these collections she put out, and this is such a smart idea to put out multiple collections all at the same time, and you can mix them all together, which looks like that's what she's going to do. So taking them all, oh yeah, nice, nice, mixing them all, and that much more diversity, getting that preserving of the sugar to suck out the moisture, keep the microbes happy. Oh, you could have filled this thing a little bit more. That's a huge jar.
11:44 It's a nice jar. Oh, nice. Yep, good, nice. Oh, she said she checked a few more on day seven and they seem like they needed a couple more days and so when you check them if you open them um it can disturb that airspace so check them by like underneath to see if they're warm so checking all these out nice yeah yeah you know in that much um imos in there it's like it looks really good nice mixing it with the sugar equal volume oh the frida oh it must have on Friday. Something I don't know. I don't speak Finnish, but it seems cool. Beautiful language.
12:37 Okay, then it automatically suggests this next video to me, but let's check this one out here. She sent me one other video and paused this. Hang on. Get this going. Oh, she said she moved it to a smaller jar now. That's all she had that day. Okay, okay. I took the ones I checked out. She had seven collections in total. Pink, red, and black are bad sign when making IMO. Yep, that's true. Oh, Frida is your cousin's name. Cool. It's not Friday. Okay. Frida, that's like a strong name though, right? I think. So, and then we'll check out her IMO3 video here.
13:22 So, this is her again with Frida, I think, right? Yeah. And putting the right solutions into the watering can there. Mixing up the soil activation solution. And then adding the water to it. Oh, that's seawater probably. Oh, and the right IMOs. Nice. The seed IMOs. Good, good. Oh, and a different batch. So she's mixing in multiple. That's, yep. And three of them. Even better. Get that more diversity in there. Oh, yep, even more. Yeah, cool. That's really cool to see. All that diversity going in. Water and can. Cool, cool.
14:08 Good to use it without the filter on front, too. Otherwise I get stuck in there. Cool, nice. Yeah, there, OHN, cool. The food. cool cool Sali, who's that one? she mixed all the collections she's done with female friends, good energy yes cool and some hemp flax oh, so that's your medium you're using like hemp herd that's cool so with the hemp herd I recommend you add like a little bit of starches into it. Oh, that's sugar. Oh no, that's more like the
14:58 Milron. Okay, cool. So if you're going to mix these two together, that's a really good idea actually. The Milron plus the hemp herd. This hemp herd is really cool stuff. I got some from Mowgli. He imports it in Michigan. So if you're up there, check out Chavre things. So the hemp herd, they mixed it. And then, yep. Oh, so maybe she added flour to it. So she got, yeah, and then the miller on. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and the old wheat flour. Perfect. Perfect. That's a perfect blend because then you're going to get enough carbohydrates into the hemp herd, which is going to act as a great medium for it.
15:38 So you can't do it with just that. Moisting it up. Smart. Get it all moist. Oh, and then she's using the tarp to turn it. That's even smarter. That's amazing. Okay, and then they're going to put in this, their IMO liquid they made before. Getting in all the microbes, getting them mixed in. That was really cool. Yeah. And using the tarp, that's smart because then it's not going to go down below and get all before they mix it up. Get that together. I like the chipmunk noises. I guess just you
16:26 guys being spit up. Oh yep, they're mixing that in. Getting it good. Cool. And also the tarp keeps the water from running below, so it's a good idea to mix this way. That's cool. Really smart dig it and you turn it all the way over so you don't get anything at the bottom wow smart you guys that's what happens you know bring this technology to Finland and they optimize and they're checking the moisture content making sure it's moist enough 60% in there are they satisfied
17:12 oh yeah look at that no water leaking out but then it's staying together and then they take it off the tarp super smart you guys because the tarp would have made it ferment kind of weird and now it's ready here oh wow and making it their correct height so it doesn't overheat too much wow oh it sounds like two mics are turned on you know, I'll try and fix that. Thanks. Thanks for the tips on that. Cause there are I think if you can still hear me, I don't know if you guys can still hear me, but I
17:59 muted the second mic cause I don't know. And she said it turned out beautifully that pilot. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I had two audio sources going and then I wasn't sure if I muted one, if you could still hear me. And Mark wants to crawl in that pile because if you do get in these piles, oh man, it's amazing. Oh yeah, look at that mycelia. It's going. Wow. Cool. And this is, isn't that around the pile? Oh, that's maybe around the pile. And I think this is like where she keeps animals too. So it's good to inoculate it that way and keep it together.
18:37 And then the mycelia, when you grow a pile, it grows out into the outside, you know, and it grows all around. It's going to keep these goats so happy, happy goats. Cool. So awesome, Julia. Thanks. Thanks for sending that in. Both, both videos are good. Um, yeah, it's cool. And you know, HJS Divine Hands was saying the pink, red and black are bad when making IMO. As long as it's not predominant in there. Um, you know, if, if your collection was entirely that, if there's a tiny bits of it, you're going to be okay. By the time you mix the IMOs in with the sugar,
19:11 the good microbes are going to out-compete the bad pathogenic microbes. So that's good. Yeah, you guys can still hear me. Okay, I was just double checking because I mess with the sound and then it goes off. Um, cool. Um, if you did an IMO bath, would the microbes be able to withstand being washed from a shower? Um, so, you know, you mentioned the IMO bath and this is something that's, um, that's kind of near and dear to me. Um, you know, uh, let's see here. I'm going to pull one of these up here of, um, shoot no one in this town open. I got so many
19:57 tabs open it's like rabbit holes man um so i just just for folks that don't know i'm gonna go over and show here um i am a bath and show you what what it is um just just so that um and i'm gonna mute this side here so so this is an iam o bath where people actually get inside This is a very giant pile where they get inside. And so Thomas is asking, you know, um, can, can the IMOs, uh, resist a shower after? So what happens is if you look at these guys, they're sweating, right? And so what's happening is while you're in the IMO bath,
20:42 um, you know, you come out and all these IMOs are sticking to you. There's Justin, um, was it some Chinese guy that came with us? The Taiwanese guy, uncle David Wong, He was in here healing his cancer, which I can't say it works or it doesn't because I don't think you can make those types of claims without getting arrested. But you see how hot this is? It makes you sweat and it raises your body temperature. And so it kills pathogens because the pathogens can't live at this higher temperature. But look at him sweating. And when you sweat, your pores open up, right? Your sweat glands open up.
21:17 And the microbes then use that water to actually go in to your skin. And so these, so can the microbes withstand the shower? Well, those microbes have actually embedded themselves. These good beneficial soil microbes, these, you know, have made you sweat and then they enter your pores. And so it's like coating yourself in microbial armor because without these, um, you can't, you know, like most of our microbes are always being washed off by like detergents and, you know, soaps and these other things and antimicrobial, you know, hand wash, which was pretty popular a
21:57 couple of years ago. Maybe it's still popular today. I still see it around places, but people aren't slathering themselves in it like they used to. So if the microbes, you replenish them and you put them on yourself. Now, if a pathogen comes in order for it to penetrate you or get on your body, it has to fight all those beneficial microbes that are chilling there. So, you know, and this is just showing you, I've shown this video a couple of times, but this is just how it's done, right? So you take your same pile, you know, in a bigger pile, the better. You know, this is a
22:27 huge one. He's using this tiller to turn it here because he makes this much for his quail farm. They mix it into the feed of the quails. And he runs one of the biggest quail hatcheries in Korea. this is Mr. Lee here and so this is how you do it you know you just bury yourself up like this and get get into the pile and you know don't obviously don't bury your head but getting it all the way up to your chest and making sure that you got this pile on top of you And then you can stand there for, you know, 15 minutes, half hour, and it'll create an artificial fever.
23:10 Cook out the pathogens and do that. Here's this, our Taiwanese friend getting out of there. Yeah, anti-life hand juice, yeah. So this is a great way to replenish. If you did a bunch of hand sanitizer or you shake hands with someone who did hand sanitizer, it's going to kill all your microbes. And usually they're using things like alcohol or even different microbes to actually kill it. And so here's just an example of like if you wanted to create an IMO spa
23:55 and get a bunch of people in your region into it, you could build this facility like this, have a little tractor. In fact, there's probably like a big, big expensive tractor with a nice big expensive tiller. But depending on your area, most people have these, um, you know, if you're going no till, just tell people, Hey, I'll take your tiller and, um, get it. Um, and then, you know, I should speed this one up too, but he's just going to till this and so it's just cool to see you know how he was doing this stuff um what they're doing in korea and this then replenishes your microbes you know he
24:36 turned this is how he turns his imo pile on a on a super large scale um and then um you know makes it all nice does his thing he'll reverse back do it a couple times and let's see let's close that transition this back close that but also another let's see I actually want to go back here and and then if also if you are if you are on a smaller scale and you want to do this I have you know this video is of me
25:29 you know here's my micro pile here make sure this is sped up um but turning it with a smaller tiller in bcs and this is my power ridger and just using this to turn it so you know if you're if you're worried about turning an imo pile um you know this can make it a lot easier on you um i mean you can turn it by hand and it's actually a spiritual great experience but if you're into automation and those types of things turning it this way where this wheel in the front keeps my tiller from going down into the ground,
26:09 this ridger, and making sure that pile is completely turned. It does break up the fungus a bit more, but it works pretty good. So, and then I'm always turning it from one place to the other. So the pile was there. I'm turning it over to here, and I recommend you do that, not just turn in the same spot because this area can heat up and different microbes can cause the bottom of your pile to get hot. So this is just transferring it from one place to another and turning it with a machine because sometimes that's good. So anyway, get back off of that and stacking it up and turning it.
26:52 Let's see how long is this thing going to go. Make it twice the speed. um and oh yeah the bcs turning it's it's awesome having that having the right um equipment on it having the right thing you know knock my pile down a little bit and this is this is actually i believe this is an i am a four pile that's why it's browner uh there's dirt mixed in and then cover the pile back up with my, these are banana leaves, but using any tall grass type of like long grass to cover it, hay, straw, you know, covering it. So you just, let's see, let's not go to the next
27:39 video of young Sang Cho. But yeah, using the BCS, easy way to turn them. So let's scroll back up a little bit here. Brandon was asking, so I have JMS brewing after laxity advice. I also have brown rice sprouting so that I can brew some brown rice vinegar. And that's awesome, man. That's cool, man. Make brown rice vinegar, fruit vinegar. And is there an easy recipe how to make apple vinegar. You know, if you have your leftover apples and you mush them up and add water to it,
28:24 they will turn to apple cider vinegar. And Rainbow Possum Farm is talking about making can of food from it. After you strain the water, the solids are left and you let that sit for three months. And that is actually, that is my recommended recipe because it always works. The vinegar always works out of that. And that is what is in here. Let's go up to it of the vinegar recipe, which is right here. And this is how to make KNF cleanser, which is fruit or grain vinegar. And if you make a can of food from fruits and add it with two
29:11 parts of water. So one part in your bottom of your jar is from fruit food. And then the top double two parts is water. And you fill your container up two thirds full. So these things fill up to two thirds of this jar here. And then put a breathable lid and ferment for three to six months. This will grow a nice mother on top of the jar and you'll get a great vinegar out of it. And this is the most consistent, like always works for me recipe. Other times I'll pile in fruit at the bottom up to about half and then fill it with water up, you know, this to two thirds full and
29:52 ferment that with just fruit without sugar, a little bit less expensive. And it also will turn to a vinegar. You can also take alcohol and leave alcohol out with a breathable lid and it will convert to vinegar. That's, um, so if you made a fruit wine or something and then you take the lid off, it will turn to a vinegar. Um, and the way to know it's vinegar is you test it. It has a pH of less than 2.4. Um, and then, you know, pour that off. So vinegar easy to make, um, especially after you've made the kind of food. And Rainbow Possum Farm says they made a really tasty pear
30:36 vinegar this way. That's awesome. Pear vinegar. Yeah, I've had avocado vinegar. All kinds of interesting things. Yeah, so um hey what's up imugi some korean word oh let's see i should translate that hey and super chats hey those those are awesome thank you thank you thank you it's good to it's good to get some flow back in it's october starting it off um okay
31:22 apple sliced up okay yeah yeah so so i did talk about the appropriate proportions you know where it's about half and then you fill it with water um or half fill with water above you know when I'm using without the sugar. Emoji. Emoji. Emoji. Emoji. Yeah. Oh, Emoji is a mythical dragon snake. Awesome. That's cool. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. you know half half with if you're just using fruit without um without sugar half and then fill it up
32:10 that much and then because the water will percolate all down into here so you're not just getting one third you're actually probably getting about half this thing of water because it'll percolate down happy anniversary to office hours it is it's an anniversary and um look at that nice flower back there. My mom always with the flowers and, uh, master Cho chilling, beer KNF logo, Flat Eric, all the, all the good people hanging out in the office with me spiritually and otherwise. Um, Heather Haynes, did I, did I get in there? It's, is me the weird naked guy in the corner
32:56 behind you. Oh, um, he's not naked. He has fur on. Um, oh, cool. Well, good, good to fix things up on your own. Always a farmer. Hey, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Super chats. Thank you, Cheryl. Awesome. Let the cheddar rain. You know, I appreciate it. It's good. It's good. Um, It enables me to do things and build the farm and make things better. So, um, and, uh, stonemason has a, um, has a cucumber vinegar going. That's awesome, man. Yeah. Those, those juicy cucumbers make great vinegar.
33:42 Add it to your salad. Have, uh, you know, super, super solid with it and, or use it for. Oh, everything. Okay. So I think there were a few more. Um, thank you, Julia. They really thank you for that. Um, and, um, and so she, she said her cousin Frida, who had been working on her course evaluation visit from the teacher from agricultural school. Um, and she realized her cousin is now the first person to have learned KNF and ag school in Finland. And she's deeply grateful for this knowledge. The teacher used to be my teacher also. And as a child growing up on a self-sufficient
34:25 homestead. Awesome. Yeah, that's amazing. We had great fun and she got interested in KNF. I'll be sending her some links and keeping in touch. And so it's great to introduce folks that are in these fields because I feel like if you're already in the agricultural field and you learn about these microbes and you're not bought out by some corporation that's, that's spent like controlling your research one way or the other, but you're actually like, um, open to like these ideas. It's like, Whoa, KNF, you know, understanding, culturing the microbes, understanding how
35:00 the KNF foods have plant exudates, understanding how the vinegars are a natural process that breaks down and has everything understanding how the herbal tinctures of the KNF medicine, all these things fit together and you look at these formulations that are there, I really think that someone who's academic that doesn't have special interests or like bought out by somebody would really just like love KNF, just like they do the Korean guys, um, uh, professor, um, man, I'm thinking of names when I'm like, it's been, you know what the, it's been years I've
35:36 been just here and I realized I've been, you know, since 2020, I've been like not going out. so my mind of the names that I can think of, but Do Hwan Kim is his name, Professor Kim. It just takes me a second to think of these things these days. But, you know, he's doing it at Konggook University, one of Korea's nice, good colleges there. And, you know, the academics of learning this stuff, it's very, very amazing to get these studies, you know. And if you are interested in the studies and the academic part of this stuff, which would be a good
36:18 resource for maybe your professor here, is on the PeerKNF Foundation, peerknf.org, up at the top under projects and then research and academic papers here, which maybe should be its own tab, but there's University of Hawaii documents. so if somebody you know oftentimes if a professor or something wants to get into it they don't want to just watch youtubes or um you know they want to find accredited information so this is the college of tropical ag and human resources at the university of hawaii and manoa these are papers um written by um this one was written by and Kunhui Wang.
37:13 And so, you know, this is comparison of phosphorus solubrizing and nitrogen-fixing bacterias amongst organic and conventional. And then there's papers on how to cultivate all these recipes, right? So if you're looking for the academic way, And I'm an author of majority of these papers, not the indigenous microbes, but I helped a little bit on each of these just to get them correct. But I'm an author on these papers here amongst other folks and primarily written by Mike DuPont, though, even though he's listed last here. He was the primary author of these.
37:52 And so there's all the solutions here of how to go through and then one on the pigs here. And then down here in Kung Kung University, there's all these like talks that we did at the International Symposium in 2016. um so there's all these different um experiments that they were doing of around you know developing poultry feed by unhan lee um tomato except for that one's in korean right i gotta get these translated but um you know potato production eggplant tomato so these are folks growing for
38:39 their PhDs and growing these things. Corn here, maize, and effects of microbes in peanuts. And I love Zacchaeus. He's such a cool dude. He's my friend down in, I think he's from Zimbabwe, but he's my great friend down there. The African dudes that came all the way to Korea to learn natural farming. Um, and so there's a bunch of these, there's a bunch. So, and these are the, um, you know, the research of what's happened in a more academic setting. So, um, so yeah, if you want to, if you were to translate these and put subtitles, I'd put them in there and credit
39:22 you. And that'd be a great, great service because some of these are great. And you know, one of it's, It's in Korean. And in fact, if you're a good translator, I do have a few more resources for you that could be translated. That would be a great service. There's a there's actually a book here. Let's see. Let's see if I can find this. I believe. I probably shouldn't look for this live, but hey, let's see here. Oh, no, it wasn't that one. Oh.
40:10 Probably shouldn't do this while you guys are just sitting here watching me go through my computer. But, well, you're not really watching it, but let's see here. Let's see if I can find it real quick here. I'll look one more time. you know what it's called is retreat book there you go let me see if i can find it i'm just gonna search here and see um i don't see it but anyway i gotta i got a bunch of books in korean actually i got a ton of books in Korean that, um, were by Master Cho that were his original, like really advanced books,
41:01 um, that needed to be, need to be translated. So if you're interested in that, you can do it. That's great. And, um, so Mark here is saying, um, the male flower leaves fermented vinegar is awesome. Just finished a five gallon bucket of it. That's awesome, man. And, uh, yeah, you guys making it out of the flowers that you can't mention on YouTube. That's cool. Um, cool. And, um, okay. Yeah. The paper's saved on your KNF files. Awesome. Yeah. So, so saving all those things, getting those out there. Um, and okay okay so yeah um
41:51 okay so um heather is asking a little bit about the knf barn here um let me just see here because if I pull that up, there's actually, let's see here, I think there is a drawing of the barn here, let's see, if I'm here and I go to livestock and I go to pigs, let me see, um yeah okay so so here um on natural farming hawaii.net natural farming hawaii
42:37 um talk about odorless pigs so what i did was i went to natural farming hawaii here and then i clicked up here on livestock went to pigs so if you're looking for this um this whole this talk here, if you actually get this and download this talk here, it tells you all about this system and how it works. But scrolling down a little bit to the building, this is a not-to-scale drawing here of the basic idea that, you know, charcoal logs, green waste, this is four feet deep, and then the pigs sit on top of that, and then this roof is actually eight feet above them.
43:18 and all that, all those measurements help everything work. Um, so there's not really measurements here realizing, you know, have these things out, but if you are looking for a specific design, here is the blueprints of a building, um, showing, you know, with all the takeoff of construction costs. Of course, this was done in like 2008. So you can multiply it by about 20. now if you're going to build this today. Yeah, maybe you can earn money translating these books though. That'd be a good thing. I'd give you some money for that. So this is the plans here
44:00 going and then here's the housing construction costs, which were $48,000, but you can basically multiply that by at least five today. Um, cause this was 2008, right? So, um, you know, a tractor and driver for one acre of land clearing, they probably coach you like $5,000 today. Conley greenhouse. There's no way you can get it for 14,000. It's probably 36,000, you know, all these things, these roofing, all these, you know, of what it costs them to build this. If you could go back in time, and even their pigs, 20 pigs at $85 each, pigs today are $150
44:41 each. So, you know, and then he has optional security, you know, get the camera and equipment and the landscaping, right? But that shows you the basic costs of doing this, and that's off this document here, which is, you know, so if you do go naturalfarminghawaii.net, look at that, if you're interested. And then there's a University of Hawaii guide on how they built this thing and what they did. And here's their drawing of a little bit more to scale. You don't necessarily need that sawdust up there, but they talk about it that way. Cinder and biochar logs, green waste, sawdust, happy pigs.
45:23 um and yeah so they're also showing at this i think this was the hubbles putting down um green waste and i yeah that's the university of hawaii one so um what's up tyler yeah bro just talking about you this weekend um it was good so um so let's see what else i got a few more other things. Thanks, Julia, for that again. Going back to my email, just seeing this here. Some guy trying to sell me stuff. It's all good. We all have the right things out there.
46:15 And then Rainbow Possum Farm. I know you're here, but you asked a question. So the other day, I found an advertisement from a local berry farm for mature blueberry bushes for five dollars each. You dig. Obviously I went and grabbed as many as I could. Awesome. Good choice. The farm I was getting them from used chemical farming methods and I wanted to minimize the amount of poison I was bringing back to my farm and help ease the plant's transition. So I bagged each root ball for the drive home and carefully removed as much of the dirt as I could when I got home.
46:48 this was also because there was a lot of weed seeds in it like bindweed then i soaked each plant in a bath of some maintenance solution a little bit of imo2 they haven't made imo3 or 4 yet and a handful of fresh worm castings before planting out would you have done anything differently and would you have any tips on helping those plants thrive moving forward thank you mary so um so that's that's a great question this is a great thing you know uh transplanting moving matured plants i think what you did where you dug them up you know try and
47:25 get as much of the roots as you can um master cho he always talks about bare rooting transplants so if your transplant is a little bit older however he does mention putting water soluble calcium in there, which is the KNF reproduction. Okay. So it's the one from eggshells and it's that water soluble calcium from reproduction because that helps the plant. They have a higher calcium uptake once they're more mature and it helps them kind of harden themselves up and get,
47:59 You know, calcium is a little bit of a metal, so it helps to get in there and cure any wounds or anything when you're transplanting. And also, if you think about it, older people need more calcium, water-soluble calcium. KNF reproduction is a great way to get this stuff. and um so um yeah so that's that's my advice on there is when you are transplanting older mature plants to add in addition to the maintenance a little bit of um water soluble calcium to it and um the IMOs in there awesome really good idea
48:43 um and he he bare roots um you know transplant so don't worry too much about that when you soak them in there. Um, the soak rate is about, um, you know, it depends on the size of the berry bushes, but anywhere from about 15 minutes, half hour to maybe two hours of soaking, um, depending on, on what you're going to do, depending on how thirsty they were and that extra stress. Um, then next thing after you got them transplanted, now that they're in the ground is go around the bushes and put a thing of IMO.
49:23 It's about six inches to a foot wide of IMO as a ring around where you planted your berry bushes. And then you can mulch that with a little bit of wood chips or straw mulch. And then inoculate around that circle. and do that for the next couple weeks. You just put the microbes down once, but water in the soil solution around your new blueberries. And that'll help those roots to reach out and tie into that network. So as you're transplanting something into a new area, getting those IMOs in a donut shape around, just around the perimeter, like the drip line,
50:10 and then watering that in. And that enables your roots to be like, hey, I'm here. I'm in this new area. I want to reach out. I want to get into this area because you really want to encourage your horizontal lateral roots. Those are what brings bring in the most nutrition for the plant and reach out and grab everything that you're looking for. So, you know, the more the the mature plant can reach out and rebuild its roots, the better. and yeah so and then if you see any you know deficiency type of thing like the plant struggling
50:47 a little bit foliar spray to it will help it to establish itself because as it's transplanted it can take up those nutrients immediately through the foliar spray and it doesn't have to have its roots set out so if you notice anything you know it's not doing as hot give it a little foliar spray they'll come back and but getting that soil to really take over and get into the ground is a great idea as well so that's on you know after your transplant but your whole method you use sounds great and um awesome so and then jordan here is i got a question excuse me got a question
51:22 um is asking um i made lactic acid bacteria serum which is knf protectors not too long ago for the fifth time in a couple years. Cool. And this time in a glass jar, the lacto cultured on the top and made a thin barrier between the serum. Is that normal? So yes, I mean, maybe you can clarify this a little bit more, but I just want to show you this over here that when I do the protectors here, what I end up with is something that looks like this,
52:09 where the curds float to the top and create a layer. So if you're saying it was like a really thin layer and down below was still kind of milky, it could turn to yogurt. I'm not exactly sure. but um put a glass jar and it should you know it should culture on top and make a thin barrier between the serum so this is kind of what i'm talking about here that the lactobacillus rises up into this and um hits there so um so if you have this recipe book um you can find it can of support, but, um, you know, has, has this here. Um, so yeah, talking about the Kurds.
53:03 Yeah. So I don't know. That's, that's what I was looking at here. I don't know if this is what you're talking about, Jordan, but, um, this is what it's supposed to look like. If you have, you know, other things where, for instance, sometimes I'll have it and it doesn't fully separate like that. I'm going to get the curds to come up. It's more like yogurts in there. Still a lot of lactobacillus in it, but, um, there's also other things like, um, you know, more yogurt-y like acidophilus type of things, um, other things in there. Um, so yeah. Um,
53:41 and JK is asking, do you use anything as a bloom booster? Maybe a fermented fruit juice, I really looking to really push production on my tomatoes. If you are truly talking about tomatoes, um, and you, the whole key. So just, just one thing. Um, I always talk about it as if you try to push, um, push production on things, um, it's more natural farming actually eases tension and provides the nutrients for things to naturally express themselves. So if you're trying to say, I want my tomatoes as healthy as possible to come out as beautiful
54:16 as they can, then that's one thing other than trying to push it. Because anytime you try to push things, you're making it out of balance. And natural farming, the whole thing is to return to balance. So what I got here on the right is in my recipe book, and it is a table that explains how to go through the natural production here. So if you're doing tomatoes, you start with soil solution here and then you do a seed soak then it then you know soak your seeds then you sow your seeds right and immediately the plant goes into a chubby phase trying to put out leaves so it needs
54:52 a leaf solution then as that plant stretches it'll go into a skinny phase and that's when it needs your fruit formula so of these formulas they're they're listed they're listed excuse me right up here so these are the seven prescriptions of that how to mix the nine solutions so you have the soil seed leaf bloom fruit harvest all these so um and you can think of the leaf as a chubby solution and the fruit as a skinny solution even though maybe you think fruits are not skinny but that's that's the plant is exuding it's taking the energy from and putting it out and that's why it's
55:31 getting skinny. So when it's fruiting, it actually is a skinny behavior, believe it or not. That's why the nutrient cycle is confusing. I could go with Master Cho's type 2, type 3, type, you know, there's not even a type 3. But, or yeah, anyway, it gets super confusing on the verbiage. But if you understand that basically you're going through this phase here, that as you're trying to get your tomatoes and you're more in the fruiting phase of it you're gonna go through a bloom phase hey thank you thank you rainbow possum farm awesome yes thank you the super chats are awesome they
56:08 get good reactions and you know immediate response right yeah super chats and i like that flying potato thing maybe it's an avocado i don't know um no it's a potato has two hands that's awesome it's a potato ninja um but basically you're going through these phases where you're in childhood and over here your your both your leaf and fruit solution should be made from plant tips right over here so it says over here childhood first one third of its life growth tips plant tips as it's a teenager your food that's in this formula comes from
56:45 flowers unripe fruits both those are high in phosphorus i think yeah phosphorus and then after over here once it gets ripe your foods your leaf and fruit should be made from fruits ripe fruits the last one-third of its life and these have a lot of potassium in them so you're getting your npk balanced through here nitrogen potassium or nitrogen phosphorus potassium and get into this phage, but you're still alternating between the chubby and skinny, right? But you change the food that's in these formulas. And this is how it's a flying pear.
57:26 Okay. You know, you never know what, what fruit it is. Looks like a potato to me, but Hey, um, so here are your, your changes, right? And then into your harvest formula. So right before you harvest, you give it this other formula, which has just food minus out the vinegars. You know, the harvest formula, if we look at it, it just has food, medicine, minerals, and reproduction, right? And these are in higher concentrations. Actually, the reproduction is still the same, but it enables it to take up more minerals, right? Harvest formula here. So this is the general thing of how it goes through.
58:07 Chubby, skinny, chubby, skinny. If you can follow this to the T, you can get amazing production. But not always easy, you know, maintenance formula is always something you can fall back on. But understanding the chubby skinny balance between all these. Yeah, you're just like life, you go through these natural phases. And this is how to apply it to ease the stress on your tomatoes so that they will express themselves to be the biggest, most luscious, juiciest, amazing tomatoes you've ever had. and if you're using that for a euphemism for flowers you can't mention on facebook
58:44 there's a there's a slightly different um solutions of what you want to do so um but the goof man oh hey yeah thank you stone man stone mazen you are awesome man i really appreciate everybody who helps out supports this show it's epic it's great you guys are great and there's like a microbe hugging a lemon is that a lemon i don't know correct me if i'm wrong looks like a microbe hugging a lemon to me that is cool and that flying pear is going to fly straight into a bunch of sugar and ferment itself right yeah um so um and jordan here is clarifying his
59:28 lacto here of, let's see here, I'm talking about finished product. It is a glass storage container. It produces a thin layer on the top of bacteria growing on top. It makes wrinkles on top. Oh, okay. So yeah, so let's go back over here to that recipe. So he is talking about over here in the storage phase after he's poured things off. And what I recommend is going from step two to step three that you pour it through a fine cloth like a t-shirt something that's very fine woven not like cheesecloth that's like porous but like a t-shirt like something like this pour
1:00:12 it through that it'll take a while to go through but that'll help to skim off any residual curds and what happened is maybe when you were squeezing this out you squeeze some of the um the curd and it just micronized and then now it's re-solidifying and coming up. So you can skim that off. If you leave it on there, it can rot and get molds and things on it. So it's best to try to skim that off and or filter it through a really fine filter. And of course on this picture here, these are then stirred together. So this sugar and this whey are stirred together. I just left them like this so
1:00:47 you could see those equal parts of sugar to whey, but these are stirred in really well. So if you do all that, um, it should, should work out that that stuff shouldn't accumulate there. But, um, so hopefully that helps you. And, um, yeah. And he, and stonemason saying he always, uh, always filter it twice or he gets goop on top. So it's, you know, it's worth it because it'll kind of settle out a little bit and you filter it again. It's yeah. You know, it's, it's hard, especially if you're squeezing your curds um usually i leave my curds really intact and try not you know i
1:01:23 leave a little extra feed that to the animals they love it too so i got two more questions here and then i'm gonna wrap it up for today um let's see so brandon here is asking um what are you using to spray with as in a pump i want to get a spray rig set up um what i end up you know uh recently I, between my tractor and the other sprayer, I do have, um, um, one of these, um, here. Um, it's, this is one of the sprayers I use. Um, although I, I really, I haven't been using this lately, but, um, but when I do on a large area and I want to get out and do it, um, in it,
1:02:10 And this has gone up in price too. And I bought mine for like 500 bucks. It's now $779. So if you're going to buy it, buy it now. You know, avoid inflation and that. But what it looks like is like this here. Where you got a little sprayer and you can mount this sprayer. And it looks like this guy has it on a 55-gallon drum here. And it's a little weed whacker engine that runs this little pump. And this pump can drive some, you know, to get up into trees and things. And then these cords here, this is your intake and this is your return. So it runs that way.
1:02:45 And it's this little unit here that comes with this spray gun, this spray hose, and this. And I really should get a sponsorship from Maruyama and be able to hook you guys up with some deals on this stuff. Because I always recommend this thing. But it comes with, yeah, a 65-foot hose. and this little thing runs pretty darn well and this is what I use if I'm going to spray but I also have like a you know a gear more let me see gear more sprayer you know and I do run something I don't know
1:03:31 like you know I would if I really had a choice I would go get something like this get a Venturi sprayer I don't even know where these things are sprayers Venturi you know if I really had to go at it again I'd probably get something like this didn't really get bigger but a venturi that shoots out both sides and sprays you know what I when I end up with is a sprayer something like this is what we have here on the farm so something like this where it runs off the PTO and you could run a boom off it but we end up having a hand sprayer so we can spray
1:04:20 it where we want. Are nebulizers good for spraying? Yes. Um, and atomizers, those things that spray, um, it all depends on where you're at and what you're doing. Um, you know, best thing to spray is something that makes it easy where you can get the correct amount out. Um, and do find a mist. They're okay. If you're just spraying maintenance solution, it's good. If you're trying to spread microbes, it's a little bit harder. Um, yeah. And, uh, Massey 35. Awesome. That's similar to what I have. I have a 35 horsepower, um, new Holland. Um, so the PTO, I would definitely
1:04:59 recommend a P something off a PTO if you have that equipment, because otherwise, you know, it's just another thing to maintain. Just keep your tractor running, do it off the diesel. Um, but getting the right boom so you can get it out there. Um, you know, a Venturi sprayer, all the more better, right? You can get it sucked out there and not have to worry about, um, the things being ground up in a pump. So venturis are great if you can afford them. Um, okay. And then, um, yeah, cool. So, um, yeah, well, I think that ends up, oh, So what herbs or plants to use for Jadam herbal solution?
1:05:46 Around here, I don't really use the Jadam herbal solution a lot, but if I was to do it, let's see, what is the plant? I can't think. I just got a mind blank here. Let's see, this one is not Wadilia. This right here. If I was to make an herbal solution around here, I would definitely use this plant. Wadelia. It says that it's Spaghetti coli trilobata. Spaghetti coli. But I did mean Wadelia.
1:06:31 Spelled this way, Wadelia. It's a plant. Scientific name, Wadelia. Amazing. Um, but, um, this thing grows around me. It's really easy to get. You've probably seen it. If you're in a tropical area, it grows great. If you're not in a tropical area, I don't know if it grows around. Um, here's the Wikipedia on it. It says it's of the family Asteraceae. Um, and yeah, this thing has a whole bunch of species apparently, but it, no, No bugs eat it. It's amazing. It does great. Is it toxic? Let's see. What do they say?
1:07:17 It's generally considered non-toxic. It's not an edible plant. It should not be eaten by pets, livestock, or children. So, yeah. So, this would be a great candidate for using as an herbal solution. So, yeah. yeah narrow gauge venturi gear yeah see if you can pick one up a used one from those guys and get get a good sprayer out there but it depends depends on your technology again if you're doing small scale stuff small scale something like this works really well um i've also had um some other folks around me use like um still sprayer um like these type of things
1:08:08 I've had folks around me. Oh shoot, you're not on the right page. Okay. I've had folks around me use something like these type of things, these backpack spurs where you load the solutions in the top and it uses this blower nozzle to blow the stuff out. Um, and I've had people use this with great success. Um, to me, it's, it's, it's too noisy. It's like running the leaf blower on your back. I'm not that into it. Plus you're carrying the weight. I'd rather use the Maruyama type of thing. But, um, but anyway, I've had people use these with great success around here.
1:08:39 Um, and yeah, so, well, there's Ace Hardware. Um, so anyway, I want to thank you guys. Um, thank you, Stonemason. Thank you, Cheryl. Thank you, Rainbow Possum Farm. Thank you, Jennifer. Thanks for everybody who threw down Super Chats. Thank you guys. If you didn't Super Chat, thanks for being here and I appreciate it it's always good, share the KNF, love where you are thanks to Julia sending in some videos, thanks everybody who sent in questions, hope I answered those sufficiently, somebody's calling me, I'm not going to answer it, it's my auntie she does natural farming in California
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1:10:01 I'm pretty sure I got another wedding to go to it seems like it's wedding season but almost certain I'll be here gotta double check that if not I'll catch you soon thank you, long live the natural farmer aloha, bye now