JADAM Soap Recipe, JADAM Sulfur (JS), Maui Farmers Convention
Drake is back from the Maui Farmers Union Convention, where he taught about 40 farmers to make JADAM microbe solutions and KNF foods, including a ginger drink from his dad and an old lime ferment. After a week off, he returns to office hours to put a year of JADAM/Madag study into practice on his own farm.
He walks through the JADAM soap recipe for a 100-liter batch: 2.5 liters of water dissolve 3.2 kg (7 lb) of caustic potash, then 18 liters of canola oil are drilled in for about 10 minutes until it turns to "thin mayonnaise." Sealed and cured for three days, the mix heats from around 140°F up to 181°F before cooling. After curing, 20 more liters of water are stirred in, then further water added until the container is filled to about 3 cm below the rim. Dilution runs 25 ml per gallon light, 125 ml per gallon heavy; for a 500-liter tank, use 3-15 liters in the growing season and 10-20 liters in winter. Cost lands under 50 cents a liter, driven mostly by oil price.
He then covers JADAM sulfur (JS): 25 kg (55 lb) of 99% sulfur, 20 kg (44 lb) of 98% sodium hydroxide, 82 liters of water (50 L first, 32 L second), plus phylite or red clay powder and sea salt to clarify it. The sodium hydroxide reaction heats the brew past 212°F, melting the sulfur without any fire. After roughly 20-24 minutes of stirring, first by hand with a wood stick, then with a drill, it liquefies; after 24 hours of settling, the clear top layer (about 25% sulfur) gets bottled in thick-walled containers. Use 0.5-2 liters per 500 liters in season, up to 5 liters in winter, only when fighting disease, and test grapes, persimmon, walnut, and perilla first, since sulfur can burn them.
Drake closes with a note on a January course and hard copies of his book available for anyone wanting one before the holidays.
Questions answered
- 9:51 How do you know if your water is soft enough to make JADAM soap? — Drop soap into the water; if it stays clear, the water is soft enough to use.
- 10:43 How much caustic potash goes into a 100-liter soap batch? — 3.2 kg (7.5 lb) dissolved into 2.5 liters of water first, with breathing protection on.
- 13:04 Can hemp seed oil replace the canola oil in JADAM soap? — Probably, but Drake says to check with Mogli since he hasn't tried it himself.
- 22:29 What if the soap won't dissolve after drilling too long with too little water? — Add more water, let the bubbles settle, and skim off the white film before using it.
- 25:41 How much soap should I dilute per gallon of spray? — 25 ml per gallon for a light dose, up to 125 ml per gallon for a heavy dose.
- 31:13 How much does a batch of JADAM soap cost? — About 50 cents a liter, mostly the canola oil, since it's roughly a 1:5 oil-to-finished-soap ratio.
- 34:26 Can JADAM soap be mixed with chemical pesticides? — Yes, use 3 to 5 liters per 500 liters after running a mixture and concentration test first.
- 44:45 Can a steel barrel be used instead of plastic for the sulfur brew? — Yes, steel is fine, just don't use aluminum since it reacts with the caustic soda.
- 45:27 Which crops can be damaged by JADAM sulfur? — Grapes, persimmon, walnut, and perilla can burn, so run a concentration test before applying.
- 58:46 Will spraying JADAM sulfur lower the soil pH? — It will disrupt the whole soil microbial system, so Drake says stick to microbes and use sulfur sparingly.
- 1:00:11 How much sulfur solution should I use per 500 liters? — 0.5 to 2 liters in the growing season, up to 5 liters in winter, or 0.1 liter per 17 liters through a fogger.
- 1:02:37 Should JADAM sulfur be sprayed on a regular schedule? — No, only when actively fighting a disease, not as a routine spray.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Welcome and I Ching Reading: Duration
- 3:21 Back from the Maui Farmers Union Convention
- 6:33 Why Make Your Own JADAM Soap
- 9:02 JADAM Soap Recipe: 100-Liter Batch Begins
- 10:43 Mixing Caustic Potash and Water
- 11:30 Adding Canola Oil and Drilling
- 14:36 Curing the Soap for Three Days
- 16:58 Second and Third Water: Diluting the Soap
- 21:40 Troubleshooting and Storing JADAM Soap
- 25:41 Soap Dilution Rates and Usage Guide
- 29:35 Soap Cost and Application Tips
- 37:41 From Soap to JADAM Sulfur (JS)
- 39:13 JADAM Sulfur Ingredients: 100-Liter Batch
- 41:42 Non-Heating Method: Mixing Sulfur and Caustic Soda
- 49:13 Stirring the Sulfur Brew as Temperature Rises
- 54:00 Diluting and Settling the Sulfur Solution
- 58:01 Bottling and Storing JADAM Sulfur
- 1:00:11 JS Usage Rates and Crop Cautions
- 1:02:37 Closing Thoughts and Upcoming Course
Transcript
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1:00 hey aloha welcome to the office hour for korean natural farming brought to you by the pure knf foundation teachings of master cho one hour of connecting learning about natural farming getting into madadge We've been going over that this year and getting into a session. Yeah, hey Cheryl. Hey, mahalo from Idaho.
1:45 How's it? How's it? Got Mark in the house. Happy Sunday, Monday. So let's start today with a bit of higher wisdom. and today is duration. Remain steady and allow the world to shape itself. Receiving this hexagram is an encouragement to endure, to move ahead by abiding what is true and correct. It is not a time to let the ego swell with success nor to disparate misfortunes. It's simply a time to hold to a path of essential truth.
2:32 It is likely a change has occurred or is about to, and it is your responsibility to hold your course and go on without regarding this change. Constancy in correct thought and action is the order of the day. Rather than letting your head be turned, simply hold steady on the spiritual path while the world reforms around you. Do not indulge in judgment, impatience, or ambitious thinking now. By concerning yourself only with what is essential and true and good, only with what is in front of you and your correct relationship to it,
3:21 you meet with good fortune now. So, yeah, the duration. Getting back from Maui, getting back into the duration of farming, getting back into the inspiration of natural farming. I've been talking about Madag pretty much all year and I think to myself, you know what, I need to put some of these microbes into action at our place. And so I have a couple drench tanks that I've had set up for quite some time now, but kind of with the realization that being on Maui,
4:10 being at the Farmers Union Convention, being with all these farmers from all over and just seeing how much impact, or not impact, is it like fertility and prosperity this has brought, these practices have brought to the natural farming community. It was pretty powerful and amazing. And I realized here, you know, on my own farm. You know, maybe it's the year of midage. It's the year of putting these solutions out there and having the right drench tank to be out there and to do it. What's up, Lee? We've got
4:49 Essex in the house, the UK. Yeah, the like button. But really, you know, meeting with farmers, seeing the actions of Korean natural farming spread out there. I did a course for the Farmers Union Convention and taught them about using what I call disgustingly cheap microbes, the Madag Microbe Solution, and also for KNF food. and I brought some food made from ginger that my dad made and some food that I had made from limes quite a while ago
5:34 and had that for our drink mixes. So I think it was a pretty good thing. There was about 40 folks in the audience doing good. a lot of new farmers on Maui, a lot of people, Molokai, Lanai, all the islands being represented there, you know, sharing in microbes, and yeah, it was a pretty good experience to get over there, and, you know, make, I don't know, just getting back to the farm, taking a week off the office hours, it's kind of good for me. Take a little vacation. Yeah. So happy to be back here with
6:23 y'all and kind of putting natural farming into practice, hearing from you what you're up to those ways. And let's see here, get this screen up like that. Talking about Madag a little bit. How many of you out there have made this soap? I'll tell you, this soap has changed my life. Learning about how to make your own soap. It would be nice to make some from some
7:12 lard, some good fatty oils, instead of seed oils. I hear seed oils are like killing us. where are we on the medag? We just got through the water, the dosing. We went over the dosing, right? We got into the soap here. Got into how it breaks down. This is what relative humidity, when it's best to apply, when the relative humidity is highest. The hardness of the water, we went over this, the softness, the water softener. We went into the dosage.
8:03 Now, all that is in the Medaj book here. And then that's a lot of soap you make 100 liters, 500 liters of soap whatever, what is this recipe for? I think it's for 500 liters it's enough to last you a lifetime I'm going to sell it as Auntie Cheryl's soap Dr. Bronner's Auntie Cheryl's okay yeah now I guess we're going into making the soap yeah yeah I talk about this soap I
8:56 talk about changing my life here is yeah I guess it's soap time so this is 26 gallons or 100 liter recipe if you make this much it probably well as a farmer I don't know how many acres was he doing there was that chart way back and uh way back there um but anyway here's here's the recipe you may want to you know screenshot this i guess um and or watch the video so this is his process it's complete in four days without heating i mean there is heating but the heating is coming from chemical agents your favorite part of the book is the soap Oh my gosh. Okay, so what does he do?
9:42 He does a water test to make sure the water's soft. So he doesn't want to use hard water in this process. Then, oh, so this is how he does the water softener test. Puts the soap in, sees if the water changes. I've got to make the mouse bigger. Okay, there. So he puts the soap in the water, see if it changes. The right side is suitable for making soap. So when it's clear like this, we went over that last time, weeks ago, a month ago. But the clear soap then prepare a resistant container. He's using a trash can. I think brute trash cans would sustain this.
10:28 definitely some sort of like barrel uh 55 gallon drum i guess you could do i don't know the metal might be gnarly he's using plastic do not use smaller ones even though he does give smaller batches then he measures out the water precisely 2.5 liters pours it into the container you must make the exact measurement then he puts in the after he puts in the water then he puts in the caustic potash and wear a breathing protection when you do this he doesn't talk about that at all but he puts in 7 pounds, 7.5, 3.2 kilos of caustic potash
11:14 he closes the lid and wear a gas mask and don't breathe this. To melt the caustic potash, be careful of a small amount of gas produced. There's a lot of gas that comes off there. That's pretty gnarly. Then the heat causes the, you know, the heat is produced when the caustic potash meets water, and so you want to stir it around until it all dissolves. Then open a carefully opened canola oil can. Or you could open it beforehand. Pour in 18 liters of canola oil. So this is where you could use like lard or different coconut oil or any other kind of, you know, not seed oil.
12:06 I don't know if anyone else has made it from anything besides canola oil. I usually use vegetable oil, canola oil. Just think of those cheap barrels of it. And an electric drill. The blade must be very clean. Slower drill prolongs the mixing time. So you want a drill that's powerful enough, fast enough, to make it fast. and then he's drilling and mixing it. So I have a video of that. I think we watched him do that earlier. Yeah, make sure it doesn't splash out while you're drilling it.
12:57 Now you want to make sure you have gloves and safety goggles on. I would say that's the entire time. This should be an earlier step. hemp seed oil could be used i'm sure it could be um talk talk to mogli on that okay i'm gonna teach me soap splash yeah anyway do do safety here um observe you know and observe the color while mixing so So at first it looks like the oil starts to mix in. It starts to get like mayonnaise colored. You keep stirring it. You notice it's starting to produce this different kind of texture, viscosity.
13:45 Three minutes, four minutes, six minutes, ten minutes. And once you've stirred it like this, all the oil and the water and the heat has mixed together. It says it is thin mayo, thin mayonnaise. So it took him 10 minutes to do 100 liters. I find it takes less time for smaller batches. And Cheryl always uses a corded drill. I've seen cordless ones get wrecked. Anyway, wear PPE. And don't put your head directly over it. You'll off-gas. I don't know what it is. It's gnarly. make your eyes run
14:32 so this took him 10 minutes high speed drill and then here he says a video is available here in .korean if you want to watch the video see if you can afford it Yeah, vegetable oil is cheap. These days, it's crazy. I mean, that's a crazy thing. So then he says, so close the lid and let it sit for three days. So after mixing for 10 minutes, close the lid, let it sit for three days. Keep in a warm place if possible. I don't know what he means by that.
15:17 Maybe snuggle with it. It will harden during sitting. so this is the curing process it kind of sets up and if you do this too early that that that caustic soda will like separate and cause your hand to burn so do let it cure long enough trust me on that one and it'll kind of cure out like this and then during the three days of sitting the temperature slowly rises from 60 to 83, then declines. So it goes over a chemical reaction over three days, and this is kind of the curing process. It's up at like 140 Fahrenheit,
16:05 and it rises to 181 Fahrenheit, and then declines. So as the soap is curing out, you don't want to add a bunch of water right now at this point. You want to let it go through this temperature rising falling process. Letting the soap sit. I guess once it's cool, you're good. After three days, it'll be solid like butter. Butter. I wouldn't say that, but maybe like cream, creamy butter. Color and hardness can differ according to environmental conditions, meaning that if the temperature is hotter or colder it'll be different colors
16:50 hey yeah yeah learning how to make soap for 10 10 pounds 10 pounds make soap this is worth it man you just got some value if you make your own soap now you've just saved 10 pounds so yeah so then later after those days, after it's cured, after it's cured, then this is the next step, is 21. Step 21 and 20 liters, which is 5.3 gallons of water. And again, you got to use soft water that passed the test, the soap test. And then use the electric drill to mix thoroughly, including the bottom, and remove anything, any remains stuck to the walls. So you kind of scrape it off the edges
17:41 and walls and stir it again with the drill. And this is the second water. This is 5.3 gallons. In the beginning it was what was it? A container should hold 29 gallons. But in the beginning it was 2.5 liters or like an amount of ounces. So 2.5 liters was the first water. The second water is 20 liters. So adding much more water after it's cured for three days. So that heat process, just the soap cooked, then you're adding water, then you're stirring, scraping off the edges. And it says do not overmix at this stage.
18:28 The solution can become like white cream. So don't blend it too fast, too hard. The idea is to get it to dissolve into there. I've only got a window balcony You can make soap on your window balcony Gass out your neighborhood Yeah So and then add Add 60 liters Is he adding even more water? Yeah he's adding a third water And can use a clean stick to stir thoroughly with hand. So I guess this is second and this is third water. I don't know. You don't have to watch the video.
19:16 When I make it, yeah, I add a lot of water. I guess he's saying add it stepwise. I don't know. Picked up a copy of One Straw Revolution. Yeah, it's a good book to have. Get lazy and don't prune your trees. So yeah, these are the lumps of soap that he's like hand squishing with his hand. In cold weathers, the lumps tend to sink to the bottom. So stir thoroughly, including the bottom. So just you want to stir all this up. And also using, I also found that during this process when you're adding this water, if you add warm water or hot water, not like boiling hot, but like warm hot water,
20:00 it helps the whole process all this whole soap to soften up instead of using cold water in this process and he's saying you know in cold weathers it tends to sink to the bottom so if you used hot water here it would help this soap dissolve quicker it starts melting better in warmer water um and it says if added water is small or weather is cold it can melt slowly So yeah, adding hot water, stirring it up, good. And then he just keeps stirring it to get rid of all the lumps, sticking it to the bottom. Check thoroughly. Check thoroughly. You must.
20:46 And then, what is this? Almost all will melt 24 hours from 21 if water... Oh. if water is lacking it will not melt so you can always add i guess a little bit more water poor water three centimeters below the edge so i guess he's finally filling it completely up after four days have passed and uh he's saying that the soap is complete and then he bottles it um separate bottle to store he's storing in these bottles he says it becomes darker as it ages it will not be as clear if water is not soft. So soft water makes good, clear, nice soap.
21:33 And then as it ages, it gets amber colored, looks like to me. I don't know. Colorblind, so you can tell. Yeah, so this we use for washing clothes, dish soap, house soap. Knowing how to make this soap is liberating this recipe here. What does he say? Oh, so these are problems you could have making it. And I have had problems. Some of my problems is that some of the potassium hydroxide is a little bit old. And so it doesn't quite make as good as soap. So he says, this is what happens
22:21 when you over drill with too little water. If water is not enough, the soap will not melt in water even if you mix with an electric drill for a long time. So it looks like it won't go into the water. He says add water below the top and wait for the bubbles to settle down. Clear soap will gather below. If the white creamish film does not go away, remove it and use. Okay, so if you over drill, you can make it so it won't reform, I guess. And it'll be like a chameleon on you,
23:07 tell you the temperature, whether it's a bit cold out there. So here you go. This is the soap recipe. That's kind of nice, you know. These are one of the parts where getting into the medag going through like this whole process again here here's the recipe for so this was 100 liters you can scale this i believe it's in the app um where it talks about scaling it to a certain size um but you don't have to do this big of a batch uh at all i do i usually do a five gallon bucket size. So this is, you know, scaled down by five basically. But measuring out the right soap to
24:01 caustic potash, you know, be careful right in this part right here, be super careful. Adding the oil, you know, it's good if someone can stir this while you're adding oil in. This is going to be really hot liquid, both you wearing protection. Use a nice drill, it's not going to burn out. You know, he's stirring it 10 minutes. I do it with a hand blender, a hand immersion blender, and I'll have to stir it 10 minutes. It's more like 5 to 6 minutes. And then here's adding the water again, nice hot water here, adding the water, and then melting the lumps, doing this whole process.
24:50 Yeah, and then getting the nice soap at the end. So, yeah, so nice bottled soap. So that's the whole process. Oh, the soap from my book. Okay. Yeah, the soap from my book is down in the back here. And it is just a recipe right here. So ecologically friendly wedding agent soap. so here here's the five liter batch here's the 20 liter here's the 100 liter so first water 2.5 liters all that the right amount of potassium hydroxide here
25:41 the right amount of canola oil and then this is your second water he kind of added two steps of water. I don't really know why, but the second water was this many. So it was 80 liters. And then here's the usage guide. You know, basically like for one gallon, if you're going to do it light, it's 25 to one. Oh no, it's 25 milliliters per gallon. If you're going to do a heavy dilution, it's 125 milliliters per gallon. So five times as as potent there basically. So the heavy is about five times as much as you'd use for one
26:27 thing. And this is much heavier than what you would use for like a plant juice or something. So adding the soap. So that's this page here, how to use it. It tells you how to make it. You know, I sell with a blend with an immersion blender, two to ten minutes depending on batch size. You know, do not over mix. Real creative there. But if you see those pictures, in three days, add the second water and mix to dissolve. So it's basically a recipe condensed down to one page right here. If you have this, these slides, this page, you'd be like, okay, I know what to do here. don't over mix it
27:16 that's when I say don't over mix it don't do that and then he's making it in large quantities using a machine look at that nice machine look at that motor dang yeah that's this is gang nabs though right there that's how to make soap although who wants to lift that much those big barrels you know small batches better unless you have some way to lift those things but look how shiny nice and shiny and then he's saying use containers with lids i don't know about these maybe on wheels that's nice but the the square container is going to be hard to get the edges
28:01 barrels round jugs good things to mix in oh he also gives you so so in mine I gave you a formula here's a formula too here's the official volume of each ingredient handy blender can be used for small amounts so here's here's five gallon or five liters 10 liters 20 liters 40 50 100 so So, you know, this little bit, you know, between here, five-gallon bucket, ain't going to quite do it here. 40 liter. Yeah, do a trash can, something like that.
28:49 But here you go. You can screenshot this one here. Get your recipes. So, multiple sources. I don't know, is mine even correct? We can compare and contrast. Here's this one. There's that one. Are they even the same? What do I say for five? 125. Yeah, he's saying one... Oh. Leaders. Five. I don't even know if mine's correct anyway should update that make those match and correspond if they're not correct um
29:35 okay so again here's a JWA soap summary soapy summary um for 500 liters or 132 gallons use 3 to 15 liters of gallon in growing season or 10 to 20 liters in winter. Okay, so he's altering the amount he's using. If it's cold out, he's using more of it in the winter. For fog machines, use 500 cc for 17 liters. So, add, yeah. Well, there you go. There's the formulation right there. Add this much if you're
30:24 going to fog it and mist it out there. So he says you can put soap on all crops, you know, especially if they have, I mean, you want to use it if they have bugs. It can also be used with other natural farming solutions, but I find diminishing returns when I'm adding in like K&F cleanser. When I put the vinegar in it, it dilutes the soap's efficiency. I just have to add so much more soap to make it sudsy. But one thing that's nice about the soap, no expiration date. You can keep soap for, you can mummify yourself in it, I guess. There's no expiration
31:13 date. It costs less than 50 cents per liter. Maybe this was before the Inflation Reduction Act. and I'm not sure how much it would cost now let's see what is the canola oil one liter rice canola oil let's see what Amazon has canola oil for one liter one gallon, $15. Okay, so at minimum, it's going to cost you, let's see, 64 fluid ounces,
32:04 40 fluid ounces. It's going to cost you at least $5 of fluid ounce. Well, maybe, maybe, is it reduced in size? I don't know. I mean, basically, this is your bottom line. If you're going to get some healthy harvest canola oil, it's going to cost you $32 for 128 ounces. One gallon. Yeah, so anyway, here's your bottom line. You can use this connoisseur stuff, garlic infused, this canola oil, which is the cheapest one. I don't know. Maybe you can find it cheaper not on Amazon. These guys are cheap, right? Canola oil, 64 ounces though.
32:49 So what is it? A gallon is 128, right? Anyway, here's your cost. You know, got to be kind of your bottom line for this. Is your oil cost, I would imagine, to get your cost per liter. Improves pesticide coat effect. Oh, well, I guess you're going to add a bunch of water to that too. So never mind. Never mind. You know, your bottom line is, I guess, oil plus water. So you're diluting oil and water. What was that dilution? That dilution was... You're only needing... So to make five liters, you're only needing one liter.
33:37 So it's basically a one to five reduction. because you're adding that much water to it to make that. So never mind, your cost is a lot cheaper than this because you basically take the oil cost and multiply that by 5. Or that's how much volume you get. Anyway, okay. So that's how I guess you could figure out your cost per liter. There's oil divided by 5. Yeah. Okay, anyway, so it improves pesticide coating effect, increases pesticide effect, most definitely.
34:26 Yeah, it kills them bugs. So he says apply early morning or at sunset. Makes sense. That's when the humidity was highest. when mixing together with chemical pesticides, use three to five liters for 500 liters after passing mixture test and concentration test. Yep. So dump it in there, slather it in with chemical pesticides. Oh, I love this. It's like natural farming talking about it, and he's like, yeah, mix it together with all these chemical pesticides. Oh, classic.
35:20 Okay, if a white film forms on top of the soap, remove the film and use. Don't let no white film stop you, man. Just remove that stuff and use it. Here's nice pictures of his soap. you can use as a detergent, dishwasher, and soap. I don't know about putting it in your dishwasher. To be honest, I hand wash my dishes. Well, me and my wife and I, we both do that. It's good for that. But, yeah. Use the soap for bathing. Give it to the Airbnb folks.
36:06 Give it to everybody. Oh, are you ready for the next one? Yeah, you know what, we gotta get through the the medag, you know, it's been good, we gotta get through it though. These recipes are so straightforward, I believe it adds so much clarity, like, you know, all his theory before the, before giving you the recipes. This class that I taught on Maui, I had a different strategy when I was teaching, instead of, you know, sometimes you get into a class and they want to tell you all about the theory, all these things. Here, you know, just jumping straight
36:49 into recipes and being like, here's these recipes, you know, here's cases to use them, just put them into action. You'll learn the theory, you know, you'll learn why it's good for you. And you'll learn how to dose and overdose and when and what you should use. And you'll see the effects and you'll have to use them less and less, especially if you understand how they interact with each other and you can observe that. But starting with the recipes, here we've been doing Medaj this whole year. We're finally at slide 217.
37:27 you know and the soap started what back on you know 203 so he went 200 and 200 slides talking about like how good this stuff was and all these things you know maybe there was the we were getting into the plant juice and the the microbes and all that but here now we're you know just starting folks with a recipe you know start with a recipe instead of starting with philosophy start with just like here's here's something you can take away and do and I thought teaching that way heck that's the way to do it you know starting these these recipes where this should be just like
38:07 a jadam or a madadge um cheat sheet where you just have these recipes like sulfur and then here's the soap here's the ingredients right and you know and then it's like you get the recipe, you know, you can go out and do it. Although this one is super gnarly. So we'll, we'll get into, we'll get into the sulfur a little bit. So this is basically Yang Song Cho's like, like sledgehammer. He uses against pretty much any pest, any fungicide, any type of thing. And he makes it in 100 liter batches or 26 gallons at a time.
38:51 Making this much is gnarly. I really recommend like a five gallon bucket size at the most. Don't do this at all. Don't do this at all. It's just a disclaimer out there. Don't do this at home or on your farm or with loved ones. So ingredients, you need 25 kilos of sulfur or 55 pounds and that's 99% pure stuff. Don't be skimping on that. It can be 1% sketch, but it should be 99% pure. You should have caustic soda, 20 kilos, or for those people out there, 44 pounds and that's 98% pure. Sodium hydroxide,
39:38 Noah. The opposite of Noah. Now. And you need water. 82 liters or 21.7 gallons. You need phylite powder. But this phylite and red clay powder you can also use just kind of very fine rock dust in lieu of these. And what they are is they're kind of They magnetically attract the impurities out of the solution. So the phylate or red clay powder, you can substitute in some very fine rock dust if you have access to that. But phylate powder, if you have it, or biochar, 0.5 kilos, 1.1 pounds.
40:26 Red clay powder at 0.5 kilos. And sea salt. and the sea salt helps all the minerals and everything. I don't know. It's wild. Sea salt is a super catalyst, I guess. 3.3 pounds of sea salt. So this is what it takes to make a hundred liters of Jadam sulfur. So if you are out there, go big or go home. This is the Texas sized one, South Korean sized one. So you need 110 liter container. So a little bit bigger than you're making. In fact, I recommend making an even bigger container. Heat resistant, heck yeah, because that sodium hydroxide is going to heat up like crazy, especially 44 pounds of it
41:15 with water. I mean, you're adding how much water to this? uh it didn't oh right here to 82 liters of water so you know um what is that oh my gosh that's a one to four ratio it's gonna heat up big time um yeah this is a grizzly bear recipe right here um so be careful be careful this thing is like a witch's brew don't do this at home a wood stick. You don't want to use a plastic stick because it'll melt. A wood stick so you can stir down to the bottom and a big tall like long stick like a witch's brew to do this.
42:00 A mask boots jacket. I'm glad he puts that in the headline here. Safety goggles. Yeah. Be extremely careful the high heat generated. Okay. This is like an understatement right here. okay uh do not use a container smaller than 110 liters you can do this in smaller batches um but you know he's saying this will over bubble and boil over so be darn careful you know do it with the extra capacity do not use aluminum containers they will melt it'll be crazy um the first water is 50 liters so i guess that's out of this 82 liters don't put 82 liters in right
42:41 away. It's just 50 liters in the summer. And the second water is 32 liters. Or, you know, or yeah, you can see this, or 8.5 gallons. Or in the summer, you use less water. Less water. Or you use more water in first than summer, and less water in second. Anyway, you can you can read this screenshot this for just listening a while oops and this is the old method of doing it you try and heat it up with a fire and try and heat up the sulfur to liquefy it but the water can only boil at 212 degrees which is below sulfur's melting point and so the sulfur
43:27 has a hard time melting into the water but the sodium hydroxide gets hotter than this fire chemical can make it, gets above 212 degrees, and that's how the sulfur melts into the water, is the sodium hydroxide gets hot enough. A fire won't ever get water hot enough to have the sulfur melt, but sodium hydroxide plus water will. So this is the old way of don't do this with just a fire. It's inefficient. You'll burn a lot of wood, create a lot of pollution for no reason, and make it stink. The new way is just, you know, chemically do it. You know, here's another system
44:05 where they were trying to do this. I don't know what the hell that is, but that looks pretty fancy. Looks like someone put a lot of hours into building something here. Look at that air quality. Hmm, cool. And, um, Jadam non-heating sulfur method takes, makes liquid sulfur in 10 minutes, he says. 10 minutes. We'll time him start to finish. Go mine that sulfur. Make that sodium hydroxide. Yeah. 10 minutes for you and the end user. Anyway, we'll let him slide on that one. So, use PE plastic. Heat resistant. Is a steel barrel acceptable? I don't know. I don't know. As long as it's not an aluminum
44:51 steel barrel. Steel is completely different than aluminum. I know. Anyway, high heat given off. Take extreme caution. So maybe ask the GPT, can you do this? Fully equipped with safety gear. Strictly follow procedures, measurements, especially water. It's so funny he says fully equipped with safety gear. And then you should see the video of us doing this when he came here to Hawaii. What's up, Big Wes? Yo, make sulfur every day. no don't don't do this at home just follow master cho's stuff man um take caution and applying on grape persimmon walnut perilla do a prior concentration test
45:35 so it looks like sulfur can burn some of these things especially this um concentrated let's see what else okay so he's going to get into the recipe here so this is how you do it non-heated not with a fire. This is him presenting how he does it. So he has this whole set of recipes or ingredients here. We kind of went over those. He has Midas sulfur. These are the ingredients for making it. He wears safety gloves and boots. It's very important to know he's wearing, you know, no picture of the boots though. But look at those gloves. Very safe. Puts on goggles. He's already wearing glasses though
46:16 because he didn't really put it on, and then he puts on a mask. But is he really putting it on? I don't think so. We'll see. Then you can't see. But he's still wearing the gloves, okay. He has two containers ready. Two containers. He puts 50 liters of water into one container. Put 54 gallons. Oh, if hotter, okay. Well, let's just avoid if hotter. I don't know. Anyway, you gotta read this for the fine details. Be a subscriber at PureKNF Foundation. then he adds 25 kilos of sulfur do it slowly so that the dust will not rise yeah good good uh pro tip there strictly adhere to the sequence
46:59 it's definitely one of the most asian captions i've ever read strictly adhere to the sequence okay um anyway he's showing the sulfur all in the barrel on top of the water i reckon that's what it's showing caption is strictly adhered to the sequence don't fear off guys um then he adds the red oh you know what maybe maybe he's adding it to the second barrel the sulfur yeah so i don't think the sulfur is going into the water yet i think the water's in one barrel and then the sulfur is going into the other barrel. That's not noted there, but I think that's why he had two barrels. This one does not
47:44 look wet yet. So he puts the sulfur down. Then he puts the red clay powder. And he says, again, if you don't have red clay powder, use very fine rock powder. So again, I was talking about rock dust, rock powder in there. Then he says, add phylate powder. This can also be replaced with very fine rock powder. This powder will make the JS clear, like I was talking about. That's like, it pulls things out. It's aluminum. So you add all that into here, and this wasn't with the water, this was just straight those things. Then he adds the sea salt, puts it on top, he's making a recipe,
48:21 he's making a lasagna pudding here, the rock powder and sea salt, and then he's adding the caustic soda, and he says do it slowly so that dust does not form. So you don't want to breathe this stuff in. You don't want to get it in your eyes. This is gnarly. Add it slowly on top. Then he's pouring water from one container to the other. And, you know, look, there's two people doing this. Don't think you're going to do this by yourself at this layer of it. That's a lot of water to be doing, dumping and pouring. But it says pour the water in the other container. Pour
48:59 it at once. If you pour it divided in small quantities, overheating can result. So that's one of the reasons that he goes here and he dumps this whole thing at once from one barrel to the other is that if you do it slowly, it can overheat and explode. The chemical reaction will be so gnarly that it can so you do have to be able to quickly add this plus that into there um so being able to lift that much water how many how many liters was that that was 50 liters 13 gallons that's that's kind of heavy um then you have to be able to pour it all in at once so do that
49:42 um then after the water has been filled use a wood stick to stir it slowly and thoroughly particularly stir the bottom so nothing can be left unmelted. So you're just kind of like keeping it from clustering down there, keeping it swirling around this sulfur powder, keeping it from clumping, stir it around. Use a wood stick to stir twice the depth of the container. Oh yeah. So he's saying use a tall stick, right? You don't want to be trying to stir really close. Use a tall stick and then stir it around and stir it to melt
50:22 all the sulfur at the bottom. So you just got to keep it going around for a bit. I think sulfur rises to the surface, keeps stirring, and temperature keeps rising. So there's three minutes of stirring. Then the temperature exceeds 176 Fahrenheit. Sulfur starts to melt. This is 4 minutes. Wow, look at that. It's a witch's brew. This thing is off-gassing the whole time, so wear a mask. Temperature approaches 194 Fahrenheit. Melting is accelerated. That's 5 minutes. So keep stirring this here.
51:10 Then the liquefied sulfur becomes visible. So six minutes have passed. Look at that. It's starting to liquefy into this brew. That's six minutes. If there's too little water or the weather is too hot, it can boil over. So if it still continues to just boil and boil and boil, he says add a half gallon of water handy to pour. So add a little bit more water if it's over boiling. But you want the temperature approaching 100, boiling 100 Celsius, 212. And you keep stirring it. And keep stirring for another 10 minutes. So, what is this, like 20 minutes you're stirring this thing by this point?
52:00 In a circular motion? That's why I don't do this at home. Just buy it from Young Sang. Then after, what is that, 20 minutes or so, you use a big ladle dipper to wash off all the sulfur on the walls. Oh, so you just wash the sulfur back in as you're stirring it. Don't let the powder accumulate up here. Just wash all that back in. Keep checking the bottom so he keeps grinding this thing along the bottom. Don't let the sulfur get in there. Hazmats. You got to price that into your sulfur price. Here's your hazmat
52:37 suit. And then he says, basically, you know, mix while hot to melt the sulfur. So while it's hot, just continue to stir it in while it's hot. And then he says, there are small particles of sulfur on the surface. Temperature started to drop. This is after 15 minutes passed. Okay, so I guess he was stirring it for like 15 minutes. Now the temperature is starting to go back down. And after 24 what is 24 24 Q so 10 minutes passed after 24 you can use an electric drill for mixing do not use a machine before that stage because it's dangerous
53:24 watch out that's why the wood stick is necessary sulfur has melted no sulfur is left on the bottom So after you stir it with an electric drill, really stir it in well after about 10 minutes, 15 minutes, no sulfur will be left on the bottom. You will see methystios rise from here. And the sulfur has melted completely. The sulfur content is 40%. If you leave it as is, crystals will form when cold. so if you leave it in this big batch here it'll reform crystals when it gets cold so what do you do you add more water to it
54:11 he's adding in 32 liters here so basically the rest of that water added in and then he says for 129 gallon containers the solution will be about three centimeters below the edge wasn't that dandy he makes it right to the size of his container uh he stirs it well one last time goodbye my love see you later sulfur and then um he's now made 100 liters of sulfur it's probably a lifetime supply for anybody a family of 30 and JS appears black
54:57 before sitting so it's dark in color before sitting but I guess it's ready right then and then he goes here I've done this before but I haven't done it for so long close the lid and let it sit for at least 24 hours after 24 hours sitting then you use the upper JS from the upper portion gives you this clear sulfur solution. So I guess he lets it kind of settle out and takes the clear stuff after the other things have settled down. He lets it settle. But I know when we went to his class, he gave us stuff that same day. So it was probably ready that same day. But I think he's
55:40 letting it all settle out. He says, do not keep it in the container it was made. Place them in separate bottles. Do not use thin walled bottles for storage. So maybe it'll explode on you. Maybe that sulfur will eat it. Maybe it's still gnarly. I don't know, but put them in nice thick bottles and put them in separate bottles. So let's see, does he show a picture of it? Yeah. Thick walled container. Look, that's pretty big. I guess it's not 100 liters big, but it's pretty big. He's going to use a lot of it. This is his main jam. He's like, what do I do? Sulfur bro.
56:21 So he takes the upper portion and doesn't agitate the sediments. So don't agitate those sediments there. Places it in storage containers. He has five 20 liter containers ready. has 5 20 liter containers ready. So he puts it in 5 20 liter containers. As you go deeper, take care that deposits do not rise. So just leave that sludge in there, I guess. And then he just lets it sit to clear out. and that's the stuff he had with sediments so out of that 100 liter batch
57:09 he got 80 liters of good clear stuff and he had this sediment batch he says also pour the JS with sediments into a storage container transfer everything that is in the container to storage container so maybe he just has one batch that's a sediment badge. And then what remains at the bottom are phylate and red clay that have not melted completely. The storage container with sediment should be marked separately and let sit again. Seal the containers airtight. If it comes with contact with the air, it can form white crystals. So be careful if your friends are coming around
57:54 opening your sulfur, growing white crystals. and then here JS in the bottle with sulfur it has a content of 25% sulfur so this is water soluble 25% sulfur that you learned here today if you screenshot you go through you see how to do this you now do not do this at home but here's the recipes here you go this is sulfur in a nutshell take a screenshot of this one share it around there you go making manage sulfur MS there you go and then do it in a large machine
58:40 so you can flex like Mr. Gungyou rookie question will using this sulfur lower the soil pH you know using this sulfur will rock your whole microbial systems world man don't be spraying this don't be using this it's crazy don't do it just use microbes man don't do this why do you why am i even talking about this stuff because it's cool but don't do this don't do this so he says if your initial water is too small intense heat will solidify the sulfur once solidified it will not melt so be careful keep it in that powder this is why you need to stir it and add the water quickly if that intense
59:27 heat gets up it just solidifies and it just doesn't melt you got to keep that powder you got to keep it stirring you got to dump all that water in at once you got to just like figure out a system to just one one speed do it starts you know be utmost cautious careful you know water chemicals splashing dust you know masks i you know oh watch out don't do this at home. Telling you, don't, don't. This is what's going to happen to you if you do this at home. Send me in your pictures of what happened because you did this at home. No, don't, don't, don't,
59:59 don't even do it. Don't, don't send me those pictures. Okay. So anyway, here's the summary. We'll finish this up here. Finish the, um, the, the, uh, summary. What, what do we just make? We made 500 liters. Oh no, no, this is how to use it. So if I was to use 500 liters or 132 gallons, I would add in 0.5 to 2 liters of sulfur. And in the winter, I would add much more. I'd add 5 liters. So winter, you got to just dump that sulfur on there. For a fog machine, you got to use this much, which is 0.1 liters for 17 liters. What is that? 1 to 700.
1:00:44 can be applied to all crops if you're crazy bro should have a huge asterisk after that because you don't want to apply this to all crops all the time and you'll kill them and he already said don't do it to grapes man then he's like all crops and he doesn't mention grapes no expiry date you can mummify yourself in this once again 50 cents per liter i don't know i mean Again, I think you could multiply that by four just for inflation. JS is germicide against diseases. If used in strong dilution, it can also kill insects. So germicide, insecticide. When used, don't use this at home.
1:01:32 Oh my gosh. And then there's other uses apparently too. Apply early morning or at sunset. Avoid hot times of the day. does not damage the plastic sheet or the steel pipes of the greenhouse, but watch out for the aluminum ones maybe. I don't know. I don't know. Always do a mixture test, concentration test when you want to use it with commercial chemical pesticides. Yeah, so those of you out there using commercial chemical pesticides, you know, mixture test, concentration test, do not use it continuously. use only when in need of combat diseases. Yeah. So this, this, this should be put up first,
1:02:17 right? Do not use it continuously. Use only when need in combat diseases. So when you need, you know, combat diseases, sulfur, not all the time. I don't know why that's not first anyway. Problem avoided. Yeah. Don't, don't do it at home. You know, take care of yourself. don't do jadam at home, don't do midaj at home I'm just teaching it for completion do the drench, do the microbe drench do the you know, microbes, the food set them up make it happen, that's good things but this here the sulfur, make soap make sulfur, it's good, don't do it though okay
1:03:03 well, thanks for tuning in we got some good people here today It's nice to be, I don't know, kind of dove straight into Medaj. Good duration, seeing what's happening. But appreciate you tuning in. Thanks for being here. I'll see you next week. I'll be doing office hours. And we'll be having a course in January, too, coming up here pretty soon. So I have details on that. And also I have some hard copies of the book. So if you want to get a book to get for somebody for Christmas, I don't know if it's too early to talk about that. It's not even Halloween yet. Can't talk about Christmas yet.
1:03:44 But I do have copies of the book. So let me know. Yeah. Good to see you. Thanks. Peace. Love. Enjoy. Have a great week. Yeah. Aloha. Peace.