Office Hours

Laying Box Build, Chicken Coop Psychology, Brooder Heat

November 24, 2024 · by Drake Weinert

Drake picks back up the poultry series, recapping why KNF raises birds around layer and broiler psychology: keeping every bird equally strong and physically fit, growing long intestines early on, and using bamboo in the feed because it is hard, indigestible, and a little sweet. He revisits footage from Master Cho's learning center in Korea, including Mr. Lee's IMO turning setup, the wall of KNF solution jars, and an industrial machine that makes IMO in 45 minutes to an hour using a mixer, vacuum, and heater.

Most of the episode walks through seminar video of building the equipment itself: a layer box built with a hinged door and a hanging curtain that keeps the nesting area dark, a V-shaped feeder box with a free-spinning top bar, and a brooder box with a heating element and temperature sensor mounted underneath, insulated on top with paper and rice hulls. Drake keeps circling back to one point: chicken housing has to be built around chicken psychology, not human convenience, which is why store-bought coops and battery cages fail the birds.

He also sets up the chick nursery pen: a fine layer of grass clippings so the birds can turn their poop, then IMO scattered over it and watered in with soil foundation solution before the chicks arrive.

Audience questions: strong LAB and vinegar for smell baked into walls from housing quail indoors, confirmation that biochar is not a substitute for bamboo in chick feed (use coppiced mulberry, oak, or goji instead), that bantams and even quail can eat whole uncooked brown rice, and a pointer to his "nutrients cycle simplified" video for black-eyed pea and cowpea cover crop timing. Feed mixing itself gets pushed to next week, picking up at video 3, timestamp 3:07.

Questions answered

26:24 How do you build a KNF laying box, and what are the dimensions? — Start with thin plywood cut to Master Cho's plan measurements, and build in a hinged door plus a hanging curtain to keep the nesting area dark.
34:10 Why don't store-bought chicken coops work? — They're built around human convenience, not chicken psychology, so the birds avoid them, get stressed, and stay dirty.
39:27 Franzia: I housed quail indoors and the smell is caked into the walls — what besides LAB can remove it? — Use strong LAB with vinegar; if the smell stays, the caking itself needs to be cleaned out.
40:15 Is biochar a substitute for bamboo in chick feed? — No, biochar does not substitute for bamboo — bamboo serves its own specific purpose in the feed.
42:38 Can I substitute local bioregion materials for the ones Master Cho uses? — Yes, but understand why an ingredient is used before swapping it, or you end up looking for your keys under the streetlight instead of where you dropped them.
45:14 What's the changeover period for black-eyed peas and cowpeas, and is there a training video? — Search his channel for "nutrients cycle simplified" for that training video.
48:29 How do you keep brooder chicks warm without Korea's built-in heating? — Install a heating element with a temperature sensor mounted underneath the brooder box floor.
52:17 Can bantams and quail eat whole uncooked brown rice? — Yes, absolutely — even quail can eat it whole, since the goal is packing their guts.
53:47 So what should replace bamboo if not char? — Coppiced high-protein browse like mulberry, oak, or goji works instead of char.
1:01:31 When do we finally get to the feed mixing? — Next episode, picking up at video 3, timestamp 3:07, with the feed equipment.

Topics: knf office hours, poultry, chicken coop, laying box, chicken psychology, imo, lab, brooder box, bamboo, biochar, brown rice, quail, feeder box

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1:30 Hey, good morning. Welcome to Office Hours with Korean Natural Farming. going over the wonders of master cho brought to you by the pure knf foundation but you can join pure knf.org on the internet and uh see if it works for you um so we got an hour to go over any questions you have and or we will get into the animal systems that we've been

2:20 covering. So if you are looking for past episodes, knfsupport.com has those and, uh, yeah, look forward to getting into it. What's up, Goof? So Thomas, yeah, got the hours in order. What's up, Cecily? How are you friends? Good, good to, good to see y'all. And, um, but before we get into all that and more and more. Maybe there's more. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, maybe less. All that and less. I like that. I should say that more often. Before we get into all this and less, let's get some higher wisdom, shall we? And today is approach. Good approaches the superior person.

3:12 so if you're superior it's coming for you watch out i'm all that good oh god stay away from me good um the hexagram lin signals the approach of powerful beneficial influences just as the winter solstice heralds the return of spring the appearance of this hexagram marks a similar similar movement from light from dark No, movement toward light and growth. Progress and success are assured now to those who persevere on the path of truth. To maximize the opportunity implicit in this moment, it is important to cultivate a proper attitude.

4:04 It is easy during good times to relax our inner discipline and fall back into incorrect thoughts and actions. Allowing one's ego to take over the moment of success is a sure means of ending the progress that has begun. The growth that is at hand is made possible by conscientious behavior. and continuing carefully along the path is our only means of coming into full possession of it. A steadfast modesty and acceptance, whether external conditions are good or bad, is a mark of a superior person.

4:50 In yourself, maintain balance, equanimity, and humility in times of accomplishment. With others, remain patient, tolerant, and gentle. Clinging to these principles assures you of a time of joy and prosperity. so what could be better than joy and prosperity I don't know but it sounds good it's approaching us, we're approaching it

5:37 because of our conscientious behavior, because of being good people because of showing up to the office hours, doing the right thing for the earth doing the right things for our animals following through on things that even if it took us years to do, we continue to persevere. And all those good things, right? So, you know, God is truth. Truth is here. Hence, an approach of progress. so yo what's up sadu we got some um yeah we got many continents involved in this one so um so last week we got into well the last this almost this whole year we were doing

6:30 madadge so if that interests you check out the past episodes how many people enjoyed that We wrapped up the medag. And what's up, Cheryl? Hey, hey. Another member in the house. And, um, but the animals. We got into the animals last time. We, uh, that was a vote. We voted over poopology versus animals. We're getting into the animals. So what'd y'all think of that? It's good. Worth the time. Worth the effort to put up the animals. Get the things in there. So if you didn't, weren't there, didn't check it out. don't know what we're talking about go back to the past episodes see what they are um but

7:10 we um we were going over let me pull it up here get this thing up here we were going over the poultry yeah so let me grab this one like that like let's do that one So, we're going over the poultry here, and it says, you know, poultry is the flower of natural farming. I don't know if you can see that and or if you can see it, if you can read it. But the basic idea, you know, we're going over layer psychology, broiler psychology, you know, getting them. Let me actually make my mouse better. so um layer psychology board um the boiler psychology broiler boiler and um then how to

8:04 bake you know how to go over it was so last time we covered you know setting up their pen right the opening was yeah it was approach um yeah nigeria in the house yeah we got Sadu coming out there and Hada English Nation Knowledge Africa represent so we went over their pen but what we're trying to get to is their feed and we went over the box and we'll go over their waterer we went over their waterer and then we want to go over the feed because the feed changes day 0 to 3 and then day 3 to 10 and 3 to 21 and we'll get into that

8:47 because someone the other day was saying something and then I was like, no, no, no, no. So we'll go through the food. We'll go through that. But in general, in general, last time we covered that all birds, they're generals of physiology. I don't know. It says psychology here, but in general, they, we want all the birds to be equally strong, which is not always the case in other chicken laying things. But the way that the pen is set up to raise them, they're all equally strong. And we're really concentrating on making them physically fit. Because if they're

9:26 physically fit, then they are strong. And I'll get into, so when we get into the feet, I will go over what are alternatives to bamboo. But basically, you're looking for something that's really hard an indigestible and the idea and a little sweet so bamboo is sweet it's hard to digest and um and it's a little treat for them they like it trains them to eat grass so we'll get into that further um and then the other thing that we look for in korean natural farming here is air so no respiratory diseases. Um, and so airflow super vital for them. And, um, and then the, the fourth

10:10 thing that we're really paying attention to is making a long appendix and intestines. We're really trying in the early part of the bird's life to develop really long intestines. And I got a picture of that when we, when we dissected them and, um, and yeah, And that's kind of funny because I put love up here and then growth through unity. This was like my last page of the advanced chicken notes that I took down. So this is basically a summary of the entire thing of, you know, what is up with the chickens. So let's see here. Let's go continue where we were last time.

10:57 And we're here. is this yeah let me put oh why is it oh that that's there okay I don't need that okay so my Chinese friend that taught me how to make the shower hat we got Mikey there but we are in touring these greenhouses and I think this is the one we were in right we were going through yeah so this is where we were at so this is mr lee's farm yeah so in here this is where he's turning imos these are imos that he was turning there so these long things he's he has this walkway in the center kind of a thing on the side and then he runs his rototiller through here to turn the imos

11:48 and this is where he's making IMO three and four here so when you talk about a um you know people people want to flex and be like I'm turning thousands of pounds or whatever this guy is making like multiple tons all the time because the quails eat so much of it so this is his IMO turning setup so you know if you uh if you're serious about making IMOs this is how he's doing You got this walkway in the center so you can walk up and down here and then turning the IMOs on either side. What's up, Stone Mazing? Yo. Oh, cool. Yeah. So, Korean dog here for you. Good friends. Korean dog's awesome.

12:33 He's running in there. So, then here we are looking at the feed. So, we'll get into, I think we'll get into the feed today of the feed mixing and how we did the feed. but um pretty sure where'd we finish up um last time so this is you know we're making feed for the um for the chickens doing that so we'll come back to this here oh I think last time we ended up where it was just like um master Cho like all of us sitting around and talking story I think this is where we ended was here and we're lighting a little fire here were we making bones I don't

13:14 think so. I don't think we were making, unless we were making bones. I doubt we did that inside, to be honest. Although, why would they double stack it unless we were making bones? So making Kalfos, maybe? Is that what we're doing here? I think so, maybe. Oh yeah, no we are. Oh yeah, that's the end of Kalfos. Oh, was this the episode we were on? No, It must have gone on to the next episode. Dr. Ture, the next episode. So that means if that's the case. No, this is setting it up, though. Okay. Because this was setting it up. So let's see.

14:00 Yeah, because we were setting up their layer box. Was this the same episode? No. Maybe it wasn't. Because he set up the... No, he set this up last time. Okay. Anyway, I'm just, yeah, it's going to help me out here on the remembering where we were. So he set up these things. Yeah, this is where we went. We did this, did this, did this. It's a long, it's a three hour episode. Okay. So we will fast forward here because we set this up last time. So if you missed it last, check out last time's episode, this was setting it up. We'll see what we're doing here. What is he doing? Smashing some stuff.

14:39 oh maybe they're breaking oh they're making wood smaller with rocks yeah why not um so it looks like we burned some calcium this this year we were we're making calphos and this is the way i do it look at that torch he's torching it out we'll cover that in another episode i think um let's see what else is happening here oh talking about the feeds so let's let's maybe switch episodes here and get into the feed and how we make all these chickens and bring them to life right um let's switch it up

15:26 here because that is just yeah all right okay so here we'll pull up the episodes we'll pause this for a sec pull up the episodes and we will go back here to so day one day one so if you ever go through here and you watch this day one I think is just us getting there and we are arriving in the hotel and talking story with master Cho kind of getting the updates. Um, this was before the learning center was fully set up. So we stayed in this nice hotel. Um, and, um, so talking story. So if you want to watch this and find out, it's basically an overview of what we're going to cover

16:15 in the, um, in the whole thing and got Joe sitting there, Dr. Park. Yeah. Some of the all-stars Mr. Lee you know doing our thing Oma what's up Oma um so day one is not that exciting so if you were to watch this you just kind of get an overview of what you're going to see in the whole episode and then episode two will start here and if I was to watch this thing starting with episode two it's really good because this is the classroom so the first day we spent our time in the guksong learning center and um then so this um so this is the first cgnfi poultry farming skills seminar

17:11 and you always know it's Korean when there's a spelling error. It's a seminar, seminar instead of a seminar, right? Seminar. It's legit, bro. Legit. So this here, this whole episode, um, is Master Cho talking and explaining the theory and explaining everything. So if you can read Korean or you can speak Chinese or you can speak English, uh, you are in there. Um, yeah. And so Thomas said he has a notebook with notes that I took from this series. Such a good resource. Yeah. That's what I'd recommend. Watch this with your notebook, take notes, and maybe even jot down

17:52 timestamps to see, because then you could come back and reference the original material. But it's basically Master Cho, Dr. Park, and Mr. I don't know his name, actually. Mr. Goo, we'll call him Mr. Goo, talking about the whole chicken theory. So this has, you know, if you're interested in that, the chicken theory is really good. So he went over it by talking about it first. But, you know, me listening, I can listen, I can do, I can hear, can do all those things. But this was what 4.2 hours, four hours, 20 minutes sitting in there of talking about it. And then after those

18:38 four hours, then we go out and we checked out the learning center. So this is what almost four and a half hours, um, going out to see the natural farming materials, because one thing is you can raise animals, but the other thing is that you need to apply the Korean natural farming. So So some of these jars that you see here, these are different plant juices, different KNF foods. Some of these are different like fish amino acids, so the KNF fuel, different medicine ferments, different things. But basically all of the recipes and all of the solutions are there and we needed to go.

19:25 And then she's an expert on this, making this stuff. That's actually Master Cho's old girlfriend from way back in the day. He was going to marry her, but then he realized Oma was a better choice. And so here, going through, seeing all of the solutions, then all the rock minerals, all these things. So all of these get incorporated into the animals. So you need to know how to make the solutions. um you know it's kind of covered a whole lot but um but that was the first day so the first day we're like learning about the chicken's theory and seeing the solutions but since and then yeah

20:11 here's a bunch more solutions all there they have all these set up for farmers to come in they make them together then they use them together they teach them they have this whole learning center things that get people up to speed it's pretty darn amazing um different rocks i think we went by the bmw um so um so yeah so that was basically you know day two day one i don't know however you want to slice maybe that first one was day zero here's their IMO machine so actually at this factory at this learning center they have a machine that you pour the IMO like the mill run into it goes into this

20:58 big mixer slash vacuum slash heater this is a mixer vacuum heater and it goes gets augered up goes into this machine gets tumbled at low pressure and high heat which makes the microbes go a lot faster and it makes IMO in like 45 minutes to an hour it still needs a cure and finish and do all that and I don't know the quality of this product but they've decided that this thing works really well look at all those buttons and then it comes out and it's bagged. And so they actually make IMO this way on an industrial scale. Is the, is it good quality?

21:41 I don't know. Um, but he seems to approve and think it was a good idea. So if master Cho thinks it's good, I should probably say it's good. Well, I don't know. I'll just trust him. So anyway, that was, we'll go, we'll go now into episode three. Okay. So maybe I said I was going to get to feeds and I will, but day three was making all of the equipment for raising chickens. So this here, if you need to, you know, if you're going to do chickens, having this equipment to make it properly is a good idea. So what they're doing first is

22:31 They are making a hen laying box. So he starts with real thin plywood. And he starts making measurements on here. And then I think he's going to cut that with a saw. And do these things. So he's lining all this up. He's making his cuts on the wood. He got his nice skill saw out. as a quality, you know, making measurements and things, doing all that. So he's going to cut that. Oh yeah. Nice cut. Nice action. So, um, so this here, nice. Look at that. Nice. Uh, chop saw. Is that a chop saw? I don't know.

23:20 um but basically going through so if you want to learn how to make the design for all the chicken house and all those things first off you gotta have a nice shop like this second off maybe don't but um you know so he's going to go through and create all these things so if we look at it we'll fast forward so like look he's making one of those a layer boxes so if you are looking for this material here and you're looking like how do I make these so how do I make the nesting box like what are the dimensions you know you can kind of see here there's some dimensions there

24:07 what is that 50 inches 225 inches 108 or no 22 and a half inches 11 and 8.8 inches eight inches. You know, you can look at this and kind of get your, um, you know, 70, 70.8 inches, you know, basically, uh, what is that? Uh, six feet across. Um, you know, you, and you got your curtain, you got these things, you know, you got this thing where it opens up this way. So you can kind of go through and just look at these plans slash like drawings. I don't know if they're plans because it's more like drawings. And then, you know,

24:52 we went over the brooder box, the, um, the layer box here, those things of how to make all these, but, um, and how to make, you know, the feeders. We went over that last time that dimensions, all these things. But if you don't, um, if you don't do that and you don't, you don't know, then going through and just watching this video here where you will be able to see the things actually being made. Because what I wanted to mention is that at the chickens, this chicken training that we went to the first day, you know, first day meeting, second day talking about it,

25:40 but all the rest day, uh, three through 10 is us doing it. So we didn't just talk about it. We did it. So, you know, as much as we're there doing it, you could be where you're at and watching the video and see, get done. You know, you're not there hands on, but you're watching Mr. Lee actually make the cuts, right? Actually building this layer box, actually being there. So it's not just, don't just take my word for it. Watch it, see it, make it happen. I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this right now, other than just showing you kind of some highlights,

26:20 basically going through, you know, his nice nail gun. You got to have one of those, a Brad nailer. Look at him just pulling that trigger on that thing. He's putting tons of nails in that thing. Korean styles, you know, um, but having the right equipment, the right tools. And the thing is to build this, like, why would you, why would you build a, uh, a laying box like this? Why not build like those little cubbies and those things where people have access through the back and all that? It's because it's about the chicken's psychology. It's about putting yourself in the

26:55 chicken's mind versus the chicken's mind into your easy access. And when you respect the chickens this way, and they're able to go into this little home and there's nice lane, there's, um, what do you call it? Like, um, uh, they use rice hole, but I use, um, saw, uh, wood shavings in here. I use wood shavings and some diatomaceous earth and some of the things like that. When you have, you know, then the chickens actually have community. They lay multiple nests in here. It is dark when you shut the things so that they don't squawk really loud.

27:33 It helps them with their ego because they have competition of who can lay the most eggs. It builds camaraderie within your chickens. and everything you see in this natural farming animals is all about the animal psychology and building things from the animal's point of view how often do you see that in real in in you know our life we put chickens in like these dollhouse things that we buy at tractor supply and we think oh yeah great there's chickens in this it's like the chicken hates that thing it will escape it

28:06 it'll get the hell away from it as fast as possible. When you raise chickens, according to their psychology, they're happy there. They stay there. They go there. That's where they want to be. I don't even have walls on my chicken pen. I just have a four-foot thing where they could easily fly out. Their wings aren't clipped, but they stay in there because they love it. It's their home. They feel comfortable. Versus when you put them in your home, like like you know building like the the tractor supply let me just let me just show that real

28:40 fast let me just look up um let me just look up chicken house here on the internet and we'll just pull up images and they they put chickens in the stupidest houses they put them in these things They put them in these. I'll tell you what, a chicken, a chicken does not want to go in this. It is too small. And there's the nesting box on the side. It doesn't, you know, people will do it and they'll like try to feed the chicken and then trap them in with a door at night and stuff. Chickens hate these things like this, this house. I don't know about this one. This one looks

29:20 somewhat okay, but this type of thing where they have this and they have these laying boxes with these dividers and stuff, bro, they're late. Oh my gosh. This is like chicken coop design. You just throw this out. This is your idea, your idea. The chickens do not want that. They do not want that at all. Um, what is this? Yeah. They have these laying boxes where they try and lay like that and they trap them in here to make them do this. It's like chickens do not want that. Look at this roost. look how big the, um, the thing is there. The chickens can't grip that the chicken doesn't,

30:00 it roosts in a tree, bro. Not on a fricking two by six. It cannot grab that the chickens crapping all over it. Oh my gosh. So when we raise chickens with our ideas of how we want it done, I mean, even this, even, even this, it's like, this is our idea for what we think the chicken wants. The chicken does not want that. It will not go there. It will pick other spots. You know, here's a chicken in the yard type of thing, but these types of things, this is what we think the chicken wants to go in. Oh, look at this. You probably paid, you know, I don't know, $3,000

30:35 for this thing. And that is not like your chicken hates it. Everything hates it. It's like, you're going to trap a chicken in this type of thing where it's going to go up into there. Like if you trap the chicken, it sure it has no choice. It has to go up there. And sometimes you can use a chicken wagon but this is crazy thinking this is what the chicken wants to live in it's gonna have so much stink and you're gonna have to clean it so often it's gonna be gross as hell so when I look at the things that we think chickens want to be in I always see these

31:04 things where it's like oh the chicken lays there I just open it I can reach it from the outside super easy it's like terrible terrible and then you get into commercial chicken chicken raising And this is like, oh, this is a nightmare death camp of chickens raising. They're trying to put them all in high density like this. This is a nightmare automatic layer cage equipment because this is built around your psychology, not the chickens. This is just what a chicken nightmare. And then this one here, what the hell, how the chicken is going to walk through here. There's all these roosts and things.

31:39 It's just not, it's not designed around the chicken. And then this feeder, auto feeder, auto water or whatever this is, it looks like an auto water. It's like, oh man, this is just, and the chickens laying in these boxes. This is just, it's a nightmare for the chickens, a nightmare. Look at that. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So yeah, when you, oh, and then look at this. Oh my God. All these chickens just waiting to be vacuumed up and broiled for Costco. Look at that. What a nightmare this is. Look how gross the chickens look. Oh my gosh. Chicken nightmares. Yeah. Oh my God. Look at this.

32:20 Chicken nightmare. Like talk about not respecting the animal. Look at that. There's crap and stuff there. Oh my gosh. It bits you this place smells like hell. They have to put fans to keep it running. This is like chicken hell. um so the whole yeah do do yourself chicken coop like throw this thing in the trash this is terrible terrible terrible anyway if you have one of those sorry um but man it's it's it's yeah like people trying to oh yeah this this this is your psychology this is hell for the chicken hell

32:58 all so anyway let's let's go back let's get away from the hell and go back to things designed around the chicken itself right things designed for the chicken it wants to eat this way scratch peck respecting it wants to drink water this way down and then lift up down lift up you know the whole psychology around everything a laying box where the community lay together super clean eggs really easy to walk in there, grab the eggs. You know, if you're not even walking in to see your chickens, what the heck are you doing, man? A house that, that, that, um, it fits them. Um, and then,

33:38 you know, a layout of a thing where I don't, I don't know if it says the meters on this, it doesn't, but, but a layout of a pen where they can build social bonds, community, have things where they're not going to trip over everything when they're running in and out. you know, this is anyway, this, the whole point of Korean natural farming chickens and animals is it's built around their psychology, not yours. You know, you're a human, I hope, you know, who knows? There may be some chickens tuning in, but, um, the whole thing is to build

34:10 it around their psychology, not yours. So anyway, nice, nice divergence there. Let's go back. let's go back so anyway if you watch these build videos you will see a laying box like this is built to um again this is how they want to lay it's how they want to lay how do i know because the chickens are happy they want to be in there they don't want to leave they have nice clean eggs and the whole point is that it's built around them right so this little thing so what what happens is this little perch the chickens are able to jump up onto here have a ledge

34:54 then this in the back holds the um holds in your rice holes in the back and there's a rice hole bedding back there they keep the eggs really clean they all work together they jump up here They jump in the back and then there'll be a curtain that hangs down right against this and makes this area in the back dark. And this here has enough airflow. So as they're sitting in there, otherwise it gets hot, right? Moisture. And the air comes up the top and goes out the top of this thing. So as they're sitting in there, so it's completely designed for them, right? Not us, them. Airflow, those things.

35:31 so we'll skip through a little bit more on the laying box so here he's gonna put in um he's working on the door here this thing took a while to build getting some interviews there let's see what else we're doing they're all huddling around okay so here's the door let's see can we get to the door little door it makes it easy this this is the one thing that is built around us is this little hinged door, right? So this makes it easy to open this thing up and get in there. Let's see. Does he go? Oh yeah. So here's the door. So this door, it does, this is

36:12 the one thing for you is that you're able to open this up and get in there. The way you lift it up right here, the way it's hinged, it makes it easy to do. Let's see. Can they attach it? Oh there. Yeah, so you can lift it up all the way, but you can also, this thing hinges in half and folds in half so you can lift it up easier. So anyway, let's see where we at. Okay, and then now there, let me go back a little bit here. So yeah, here's the curtain, okay? So the curtain hinges right here. This hangs down and touches that bit down there.

36:49 And the idea of the curtain, let me go back just a little bit here because they're going to show it. So the door, watch how it hinges up. He's hanging the curtain in there. So you just take a bunch of cloth and make cuts in them. And then here's the door. Let's put this thing on slow speed here. And then here he's going to open the door. So we'll go down to half, quarter speed, maybe half speed here. So there's a door. Watch how he lifts right here. and look at that thing it hinges up like this the curtain comes up with it and you put it right up

37:29 there now you got easy access into the um the chickens so this is the part of the thing that's designed for you and when you put it down you see how that curtain goes right back to that area and now they have a dark room in there a nice dark room see that the curtain comes down nicely fits right there and it creates darkness in the back for them. So beautiful design. This is for the chicken and you, and this is the way chickens want to lay in there in the back. Okay. So this is the whole reason behind all this stuff. You see how nice and easy that was. This is the way

38:08 the metric for understanding chicken psychology is that they're happy if they're unhappy and they want to leave your spot and you just like let them go like you take the walls down and they leave their chickens were not happy so the chickens are happy when they stay there if you give them you know most people have to like you know cage them in make everything caged in and the chickens will leave that means they're unhappy you know so it's about the chicken they lay in here it's beautiful They're not laying outside of this thing.

38:45 If you have chickens laying on the floor and stuff, it's because they hate laying in the spot you've made for them. And, you know, people think you have to put like a golf ball and stuff in there. No, you don't. They'll lay in a nice dark spot where they feel comfortable. And that's just the way it is. So measuring the chicken psychology based on their happiness and their happiness is basically their compatibility with what you've built for them. so Franzia was saying I had quail inside my house for a while I removed them outside but the smell

39:22 is deeply caked into the walls is there something besides LAB I can use as an odor eliminator I would use strong LAB and um and vinegar um to get rid of that smell but the LAB if made right and put in a strong concentration. It should get rid of the smell. If it's not getting rid of the smell, you probably need to clean out the caking. My fowl and chickens run on fresh pasture between agroforestry rows and Jeff Lawton chicken tractor. It's the best life for them. It's the closest to their natural wild environment. Two degree, yes. Yes.

40:00 um uh and but biochar is not a substitute for um for the bamboo for the food okay um so um biochar is not a substitute for the bamboo the bamboo fits it has its own reasons i i have to get into the food for you to understand. But anyway, um, yep. So yeah, Asians, uh, sour, uh, likes the Asians that they do their environment and understand the environment and get into it and do it. Let's watch this a little, watch this at real time while I'm going through some other questions, but now we're going to get into the feeder box. These are building little

40:49 feeder boxes here. So let's go back to the, let's go back right here. I'll start with the feeder box. So this is, these are the feeder boxes. So we'll watch that while I'm answering other questions. Yeah. Yeah. What does the chicken want? Here it is. Yes, absolutely. These are like, master Cho is a master with the animals more than anything. Um, cool. Thanks Thomas. Yeah. It's good to check out what each other have. So here he is building the, um, these are their feeders that he's going to build here. So going through, he loves that Brad nailer, Dr. Park

41:38 standing right in front of me. Love you, Dr. Park. But he put on the lip, the edge, then he's going put on the other side of the feeder and go and put that together. He loves that Brad nailer. I haven't seen him reload it yet though. The amount he's nailing, man, it's wild. Maybe he reloaded it when I wasn't watching, but man, look, he's like, he's an automatic, automatic weapon feed nailer. Look at him just nailing that thing. Bang, bing bing bing bing so this is you know this is how to build that little thing there go through make sure you put like several thousand brad nails into it

42:25 so it stays together notice how it is this v shape and then this keeps the feed from falling into the bottom and then he's going to put the lip on here the edge so this keeps the food from coming out the edge. Um, and then, yeah, and, and that this, this bottom little square down there keeps the food from getting caked right in the bottom of your V helps it from getting stuck right in there. Um, bamboo girls pretty much anywhere. And, um, yeah, there's, there's reasons like you could, you know, you ever heard of a guy where he's like, he's out looking for his keys and some

43:12 guy comes up and he's like, can I help you find them? And he's like, yeah. He's like, well, where, where'd you drop, where'd you drop them? Well, 20 feet over that way. And he's like, well, then why are you looking right here? He's like, well, this is where the light shining. So it's easier to look here. And it's like, okay. So, so when you say like you only use things for your bio region, you got to understand why you have your bio region, right? So if you're looking for keys, just where the, because it's easy right there where the light is, but your keys are over there,

43:39 then, uh, then you have that issue, right? So I'm all for using things from your bioregion, but understanding why you're using certain things and looking in the right area, that's the key. So I'm not, I'm not saying it's not good. It's not bad, right? You just have to understand the principle behind before you make substitutions, right? Otherwise you may be looking in a complete wrong area or using the wrong thing when the keys are over there. And it's like, just go look where the keys are and get a flashlight to look there, you know, um, that

44:07 might help. Right. So just, um, FYI, you know, when you, when you're making just suggestions, like biochar is, is a substitute for bamboo in this case, for many things, it could be for this, uh, feeding your chickens. It is not okay. I just, just throw that out there. So it's like looking for your keys where the light in, but the keys aren't there. So anyway, um, be careful. um you know uh in the in the eastern world master toe would just come up and just slap you you know it's like um i've been slapped enough by him to understand that you can't just willy-nilly make

44:38 substitutions um but if you understand why they're there and and then yeah i'm all about getting it from your local area doing the right things um please what is the changeover period for black eyed beans, cows, peas, and a video for teaching on it. I thought we were on chickens today. Yeah, we're on chickens today. Um, black eyed peas looking up training video. I would search my channel for, uh, nutrients cycle simplified. Um, and hopefully that'll help you. Otherwise, you know, we can go over different things. We'll, we'll, we'll see after we're done with animals,

45:14 we can get into another big topic. So anyway, so looking at the chicken feeder, he's talking a lot about the theory the v where they can scratch under get the things in there we'll go through let's look what else about the chicken feeder is good they talked a lot about this many seconds were talking it also had to be translated into chinese as well as english so this then he's putting on the edges so this is the edge of the chicken thing so um yeah so one reason this you know so so he's putting on his edges for this man look at that thing just shooting the air at him

45:53 he loves that brad nailer yeah so now with the edges put on there properly line that up he didn't even use a square it's awesome he just eyeballed it he's gonna just brad just eyeball it bro just eyeball it you're gonna hit it boof as long as you're you know in the impact zone of your brad nailer you got it man so speed this up a little bit watch him nail this and boof boof boof shooting nails even faster now man look at that he nailed it right on the spot so what he's doing uh what he's doing here is the chicken feeder he's putting up the

46:41 he's putting on the sides of these things. So right here, the sides. So it'll stand properly and do all that. So that's what he's doing here. Put that together, going through. And then here, he's going to be putting on the top bar, right? And the top bar is essential because otherwise the chickens will stand on there to roost, but the top bar makes it spin. So they can't stand up here and he's drilling in a hole, making a hole drilled into that piece of wood reaming that thing and then he's going to put nails on either side so this bar will just

47:17 spin on the top so he's reaming that thing out and um the holes are big enough now he's drilling a hole here put that thing through put a hole on that side and then that will be put in there and it will spin you know that's a nice hammer he's hammering that nail in there look at that 16 penny puts that on the nail

48:02 and now put one on the other side and now this bar will spin freely hopefully, we'll see I think it will yeah, nice so he makes that, so make sure it spins nice and easy and it's a nice handle you can pick it up with but make sure that thing spins freely up there and people harassing my dog outside. But now the bar spins on the top and you got to make sure that thing spins nice and free.

48:48 Because otherwise the chickens will roost up there. So let's see, what else do we build here? Oh, we're back in the chicken pen. Oh my gosh. Oh, so this is the brooder box. I think now we're building the brooder box. Are we? No, we're looking at the design, how it lets the heat out the top, sucks the air in the side. Let's see what else we're doing. Is this the Bruderbox design? I don't know, because we skipped over this the other day. I fast forwarded it. This is him setting up the... I think he's putting a heat... Oh, yeah, you can see the flap out there.

49:28 but he is putting in temperature sensors is what he's doing in a heating element with a temperature sensor under his brooder box is what he's doing here so then he's putting the floor in so if you're in an area where it is cold this this this itself will insulate because the chickens will run in here and they'll get heat from each other but if you're in korea which i'm not i don't need heaters for mine, but you may need a heater for yours. So he did install heaters with a thermometer underneath the brooder box, and I didn't cover that last time, but this is how he's building

50:05 the little brooder box. And then the other day we watched him build the one for the laying hens, but he put in this floor. You can see that we had the design last time, so if you missed that, go back to last time to see that. But you can kind of see the underneath of how these things are framed out and designed. Let's see here. Go, go, go. Even at two times it's slow. We did this for days and hours. Yeah, he's putting those together. Walls. Let's see what else. Yeah, so I think he's just going to build the brooder house. And again, the mat

50:50 went down. We saw this last time, right? putting the mat over that so the chickens get gripped to come up in here and they can live in there. He's trimming that one a little bit, making sure it's real nice. Screwing it down so it won't slide. People harassing my dogs, why? Oh, I guess maybe he did talk about the length of this thing in this episode. But Mark estimated it was about two feet, so I think it's about two feet. but you put the little chimney so it'll suck the air out and ventilate this thing very vital and

51:31 let's see here so we kind of covered this last time of the box what else oh maybe right here so the top of the box is it did they show that where the top of the box come from yeah so they're packing rice holes on the top of this box. So the very top of the box, let's see, we'll just skip through here a little bit. So the very top of the box he's going to put on is also insulated. And here it is. So this is what it looks like. This is the top of the box and they're putting rice holes into it to make sure it's nice and insulated for them. And so they're putting a

52:17 piece of paper down first paper goes down on this box lid and then on top of that they're putting rice holes so paper and the rice holes on top of the box and if you don't have rice holes you could use wood shaving something like that um rice holes you know they're just using it because it's a waste product there i did mention you know making local substitutions wood shavings are pretty much ubiquitous everywhere. Um, and it's not essential that it is, um, those, um, I mentioned quail. I don't know how big a quail is, but I'm considering bantam chickens. Has anyone done the uncooked

53:01 brown rice for bantams? I'm interested in the smaller birds can eat the whole brown rice. absolutely they can yes um they absolutely can man even uh you know quails can eat it man they have an amazing the whole idea is to pack their guts and we i guess i guess we're not going to get to the feeds today it looks like we just covered more equipment today but i'm trying to just go through this video in completeness for the animals and hopefully you seeing it and the plans that i've showed you hopefully you can be like oh yeah i get this you know um

53:31 I have reviewed info on the bamboo in the feed yes you're right I don't use char to substitute for bamboo use mulberry oak goji as copied high protein for it oh it's coppiced high protein for okay yeah cool um yep and we'll get we'll get to the feeds I'm sorry Cecily I thought I was gonna get to the feeds today every time I'm telling you we'll get to it we'll get to it I know you tune in at like three in the morning and I really should, you know, get to the things, but trying to go through for myself to go through these things in order. So I don't get all twisted

54:06 out of order. So I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to go through this. So, um, yeah, slow and steady is the best with this series. Yeah. So you can kind of see what they're doing. He was putting a temperature probe in there. So that is how he's measuring the temperature. It's a little thermometer thing. He just put in there to right to the roof to see what the temperature is. I think it gives an alarm system so you can see what's happening. But this little temperature thing, all hooked together so he can monitor temperature. You don't want to overcook

54:38 your birds. And then notice this sheet in front of there. This sheet simulates the mother's wing as they go in and out. The sheet hanging down, when they go into their house, they're going into the warm under their mother's wing type of thing and this sheet simulates that so um but look how happy the chickens are man they're not they're just happy they're happy um and this was the broiler chicken thing that he's setting up so we've seen you know he's just putting a little bit of dirt there keep them uh you know keep him from escaping you don't want the chickens to

55:14 escape look at oma crushing that stuff down very helpful if you get your grandparents to help you out, they can do that part of the work for you. Um, but this basically setting up these chickens thing, you know, tons of info, obviously I'm just skipping over this and there's tons of info on this, but that is basically, we, we saw this last time and we saw it again. And I think now he's going to put down a little bit of material, just a fine layer of grass clippings into there.

55:46 So this fine layer of grass clippings enables them to turn their poop and go through and make sure it's cut really fine. You don't want it to be longer than like four inches or so because then they won't turn it later and it'll just make a tatami mat of poop. So you want to make sure you got fine layer of grass clippings and that's what he's putting into this area. So I don't think we saw that last time, right? As they come out here, they will have this fine layer of grass clippings and the whole floor.

56:16 of your chicken pen can be covered with this but eventually it'll turn into dirt like this out there but when you first start adding this extra carbon really helps if it's ever stinky in there making sure you replenish the grass a little bit in there helps keep you know the extra carbon helps that all break down helps the compost helps the microbes helps everything happen but you can see the grass being put in there that is um pretty darn essential and he's just making a nice area a nice nursery pen for these chicks to come out in. If you have a problem attracting chicks, put down some grass.

56:55 And or do all that. So here he is. We're doing it. Nice theory, Master Toe, talking about it. Grass in there. What else is he going to do? Okay, so now this part, I think this is brown rice right here. Okay, so this is brown rice. So what he's going to do is he's going to make a pile of brown rice right here, pretty sure, because the brown rice is essential. For the first three days, they only eat brown rice, which this is a good segue to next time I think we're going to get into the feeds. Is it? No. No, oh, that's IMOs. No, excuse me, sorry. I jumped the gun. This is IMOs.

57:38 He's putting IMOs everywhere. Okay. I jumped the gun a little bit. This is IMOs. So after he puts down the grass, everything, he's putting IMOs, he's scattering it nicely there so that when they crap and stuff, the IMOs will eat it. And now he's going to water it in. Does he have the soil foundation stuff in here? I sure hope so. But he's going to water those IMOs and he's setting this up like a day before he gets his chicks. You don't want to make this wet if you're just going to get your chicks, but he's setting it up with the water, everything, smashing it down.

58:10 I don't know why he's smashing it down, but apparently it feels good. And he, so he put the IMOs and he put the soil foundation solution on top of them. Why? Because he needs it to eat the poop and keep them clean and keep the disease away. Now he's going to put the water and I jumped the gun on the rice, but I have seen him put the rice in. so he's putting a waterer there um this going in what else is he doing so that was cool we got to see him put the IMOs and water it in very vital right you gotta activate that stuff soil foundation solution with the IMOs super vital super vital doing the

58:56 things doing the stuff and um yeah so um let's see what else what else what else they're talking story about this still there's more to learn oh yeah here this is sorry we're doing it again oh and i just time-lapsed it but my ipad fell down clean it out so this is what it looks like and you know hyper speed the thermometers go down screwing these oh yeah oh it's me putting screws in oh my gosh who the heck's filming me must be joe mcginn oh look at that drive those suckers some skills

59:45 i'm talking about it i who knows what i'm saying probably making crude jokes why did we build another one of these man we built so many i guess because we needed the hands-on experience right there's the roof it's all of us working together build these things putting screws in look at that shirt that's a nice shirt i wonder where that shirt went it's probably gross by now chris building the roof me narrating it a little bit oh nice oh wait no let's go back for that one go back just a hair we got some butt crack there it's always good to show that

1:00:39 oh good fun good fun putting the IMOs down he gets slapped there IMOs making that base layer, making sure it's evenly spread on the thing, even though I'm just adjusting my lens, but evenly spread the whole thing. Got to get the IMOs, throws a little bit up into the house itself. And then he's going to water it down, building the soil foundation. Very vital, very vital so what else we got on this one let's see what else are we gonna do oh we're just gonna take a photo yeah cool nice good photo op and then this time then i'm talking

1:01:27 about the equipment for the feed so this is a great segue for next time because look at this they're doing automatic feed type of stuff and this is where we will resume next time i guess is maybe I'll just leave this video except for every time I shut down my computer it starts at the beginning of the video but starting here that'd be a good one so if I can remember that maybe I'll make a note for myself video three where's a pen there there's a pen so I'll start here and we'll talk about the feed equipment but then we'll also watch them make feeds so I'm sorry

1:02:05 I didn't get into feeds this time. I can't believe a whole hour went. Video3 timestamp is 307. Feed machine. Cecily, I apologize. I was supposed to get to the feeds. I didn't even get to the feeds. I'll have to do it next week. Get to the feeds. But look at this. The automatic feed machine. We will go through that and get into the whole way of how the feed is made from start to finish and the whole thing, because why not? So anyway, you get to see a bunch of the equipment. I got to talk about the theory of why the equipment's there. It's all about the chicken psychology, man. The animals.

1:02:50 If you're not thinking of the animals, you're just selfish. So good is approaching. It's good. Thanks for being here. Thanks for doing the right things. Thanks for, you know, for keeping natural farming going. it is a dying art and yet we are here we are revitalizing it and breathing life in it's like cpr time bro um okay okay well i will get sorry anyway i will get to it i'll try to see um uh one third for the bantams i don't know man yeah yeah clear Chris was a plumber in his former life perhaps yeah yeah yeah you just gotta go come

1:03:31 behind him and drop a pencil in there um okay so anyway thanks yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna go I got I got stuff to do here I appreciate you tuning in again if you're not a member of the Pure Cana Foundation you probably should be I really would there's good stuff there there's a whole ton And this is brought to you by them. And, you know, all the support we get, we appreciate it. We bring it back to you once a week, office hours, 9 to 10, Hawaiian time. Thanks for being here. Appreciate you. Like, share, subscribe, all the good things. And I'm going to go out to the farm and do some good things.

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