Sea Salt Minerals, FPJ Alcohol Smell, IMO3 to IMO4
Drake opens with an I Ching reading on the family, then answers whether 100% Korean Natural Farming can match chemical farming's yields. His answer: yes, but the switch takes time, like weaning off a drug. He also clears up that JADAM is not a rival system, it is just a cheap, simplified branch of KNF.
A long water segment covers his vortex brewer and bacterial mineral water setup, run on a Danner AP100 pump rated near 9,150 cubic inches a minute. He explains why finished FPJ should smell slightly of alcohol, and why seawater diluted to about 0.1 salinity (roughly 1:30) supplies nearly every trace mineral plants need. He warns that molasses, common with Southeast Asian farmers, turns FPJ into vinegar because it activates fermentation instead of preserving it, and he distinguishes fermented plant extract (FPE) from fermented plant juice (FPJ).
Shorter answers cover sodium chloride in sea salt (harmless once diluted, or use Sea-90 to strip it out), sourcing Angelica, licorice, and cinnamon from Mountain Rose Herbs, and the lowest temperature for spraying KNF solutions (anything above freezing).
The back half walks through turning IMO3 into IMO4: mix propagated IMO3 one-to-one with field soil and red clay, hold 60-70% moisture, keep the pile between 40 and 50°C, and turn it for about a week. He avoids the term IMO5, calling it fermented mixed compost instead, and gives application timing: one week before planting for a healthy field, two weeks plus an extra liquid feeding after successive cropping disorder.
Questions answered
- 8:59 Can 100% KNF match chemical farming's production? — Yes, it can, but the switch takes time, like weaning off an addiction, and your soil recovers as you go.
- 15:16 What's the difference between JADAM and KNF? — None really — JADAM is just a disgustingly cheap, simplified way of doing Korean Natural Farming.
- 22:36 Does an alcohol smell mean FPJ was strained too late? — No, a slight alcohol smell means fermentation is done and is what makes the chlorophyll water-soluble.
- 25:02 Is sea salt enough to replace missing soil minerals? — Yes — seawater carries nearly every element, and diluting it lets microbes take them up.
- 28:14 Can you leave FPJ fermenting too long and lose potency? — Yes, it keeps breaking down through secondary fermentation, so pour it off and pack it with sugar to stop the process.
- 29:50 Why do some farmers use molasses instead of brown sugar for FPJ? — It's cheaper, but molasses activates fermentation rather than preserving it, so the batch turns into vinegar.
- 35:34 What is fermented plant extract (FPE) and is it the same as FPJ? — FPE uses lactobacillus for a quick low-pH digestion — it's not the osmotic juice of FPJ, and the two aren't interchangeable.
- 37:51 Is the sodium chloride level in sea salt harmful to plants? — No, diluted sea salt is fine with living soil and enough charcoal and humus; use Sea-90 if you want the salt removed.
- 40:15 What size air pump runs the vortex brewer? — A Danner AP100, rated about 9,150 cubic inches a minute at 6.53 PSI.
- 43:27 Where do you source Angelica? — Mountain Rose Herbs — Angelica archangelica from Germany, about $15 for four ounces.
- 44:59 Is it possible to farm potatoes without tilling? — Drake doesn't think so — he's not sure how you'd get the potatoes out of the ground otherwise.
- 49:28 What's the lowest temperature to spray KNF solutions at? — As long as it's not freezing, go ahead and spray — the microbes just slow down in the cold.
- 54:31 How do you turn IMO3 into IMO4? — Mix propagated IMO3 one-to-one with field soil and red clay, add the soil formula nutrients, hold 60-70% moisture, and turn it while keeping 40-50°C for about a week.
- 1:04:05 What is IMO5? — Drake avoids the term since Master Cho uses it for four different things, and calls it fermented mixed compost instead.
- 1:03:19 How do you apply IMO4 and the soil formula in the field? — One week before planting if the last crop was good, or two weeks before plus an extra liquid feeding if you had successive cropping disorder.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Count down
- 2:03 Intro & welcome
- 3:24 I Ching: The Family; every man and woman is a star
- 9:07 Is KNF production as good as chemical farming?
- 15:46 JADAM vs KNF, what's the difference
- 16:56 Vortex brewer & bacterial mineral water build
- 22:50 Alcohol smell in FPJ, why it matters
- 25:15 Seawater minerals, replacing missing minerals
- 28:35 Fermenting FPJ too long
- 30:02 Molasses vs sugar, makes vinegar not FPJ
- 35:22 Fermented plant extract vs FPJ, not the same
- 37:35 Sodium chloride in sea salt, Sea-90
- 38:50 More on vortex brewer, IMO4, pump size
- 43:10 Sourcing angelica, licorice, cinnamon; potatoes
- 49:27 Lowest temperature to spray KNF solutions
- 50:37 Spray before rain, Makahiki season
- 54:10 Culturing IMO3 to IMO4 with slides
- 1:04:12 IMO5, fermented mixed compost
- 1:04:40 Using IMO4 and soil formula, dilution rates
- 1:07:20 Thanks to Cho family, KNF training in Hawaiʻi
Transcript
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2:30 Well, hello, hello, hello. And welcome November 20th, 2022. And yeah, hope everyone's having, like Stone Mason said, I hope everyone's having a good week, a good time. Thank you for joining in Korean Natural Farming Office Hours. And glad to see you here today. And, yeah, so here we go today.
3:19 Let's see, what do you think it's going to be? Ooh, yay, it's the family, the clan. xia zhen xia zhen um i don't even know how to speak chinese or whatever but hopefully if anyone's chinese they're like that's not how you pronounce that but um i'm not sure it's a really different language and there's i can't even read it um so the family the clan a healthy family a healthy country, a healthy world, all grow outward from a single superior person. The hexagram Xia Zhen concerns the foundation of human communities.
4:09 The I Ching teaches us that all clans must have a superior person at their center. if they are to prosper and succeed. Actually, I can probably point over there. Therefore, in order to improve our family, company, nation, or world community, we must begin by improving ourselves. What a noble concept. If you observe healthy families, you always see present in them three qualities. love, faithfulness, and correctness.
4:56 When we truly love others, we are naturally kind, gentle, and patient with them. When we are faithful to others, we place proper principles and conduct above temporary influences like anger, greed, or desire. And when we practice correctness, we spiritually nourish ourselves and all those around us. When these three qualities are cultivated, a healthy clan naturally springs into being. The difference between paying lip service to these ideals and practicing them is profound.
5:45 If you advocate high ideals and actions to others, but do not embody them yourself, your influence will disintegrate for lack of proper foundation. Therefore, in order to inspire superior qualities in others, you must instill them in yourself. Concentrate not upon influencing others or external events But strengthening your inner devotion to proper principles When modesty, acceptance, equanimity, and gentleness Become deeply ingrained in your character they will flow steadily outward from you soon you will find yourself enmeshed in a web of
6:41 healthy relationships and in that there is good great good fortune yeah so hey hey hey hey so it's not about it's about improving ourselves always similar concept up to that we're all stars in the universe. And then instead of trying to get people to follow us, if you just become big enough star, things will naturally start to orbit around you. You become the center of gravity. So it's not by going and saying, hey, follow me. Look at me. I got all this. It's not like saying like, subscribe. You know, I don't I don't you know, if you know me and you've
7:22 watched this long enough, I really I'm not like share, like, subscribe like every other YouTube channel out there, I always try to focus on just improving myself, putting out good content. And I know that people will do that stuff if, you know, I don't know who watches a YouTube channel, finds a really good one, and then doesn't subscribe. Like, maybe you don't know how to use YouTube. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. And yeah, every man and woman is a star. Someone may be also a star out there, if you know, catch my drift, 93, y'all, but yeah, so good to check in
8:02 with you guys, it's snowing everywhere else in the world except Hawaii, I think, well, no, I mean, obviously, it's not snowing in the southern hemisphere, Cecily's like, hey, man, it's really nice, right, um, yeah, so, um, yeah, well, it's good, at least, at least the places that have drought, not have snow, and are getting some things like that, um, and, uh, yeah, good, so it's snowing in New York, it's snowing in Indiana, oh my gosh, talk to my sister, it's snowing in Denver, um and yeah good to see you guys all here showing up getting here
8:46 um yeah so 65 and sunny in phoenix yeah yeah ben what's up man and i'll see you soon over here so it's good no snow in cape cod well it's good well so i got one uh DeBajit Goswami, that's a great name, was in here before anyone else got in here. And he asked, can we, sir, if we can apply KNF 100%, will the production is as equal as chemical farming? And, you know, that's a great question. Can natural farming be as good as chemical farming?
9:34 And one answer to that is that it is a little bit harder. Let me phrase this in the right way. That chemical farming is like a short-term rush. Okay. Chemical farming, like you, it's, it's like, it's like taking really concentrated things and, and it's like, it's like lighting a fire with map gas or, or, or, you know, propane, like, like where you're just pumping, you know, like, like a torch, like, like oxyacetylene or something, you know, where you're just, you're just burning things like map gas, like just like, just torching it.
10:24 And sure, you'll have a fire and sure it'll be bright, but you're using a bunch of stuff and all the material that you're lighting on fire will burn real quick. And what happens is if you do, you know, just 100% chemical farming and you get into that is you end up with a situation where your soil gets destroyed, right? If you didn't do chemical farming, you'd start with soil that had aggregates, that had living life in there, that had mycelium, that had nutrients, that had everything. And then all of a sudden you start to do chemical farming, you will end up with land like this.
11:04 Where you completely destroy your soil structure, all your leaves die, and then now your plants are 100% dependent on you to continue to do chemical farming. where you got to continue to add the chemicals. It's like a heroin addict. It's like you got to continually add the heroin in order for them to feel good now until they can bite the bullet and stop the heroin. And, you know, I've never done a whole bunch of it. I've never been addicted to that, but I've been addicted to some other substances. And it's like it's really hard in that transition to get off.
11:37 But afterward, your life really improves because things start to come back. You start to rebuild your life. You really value different things in your life. And so, can you do 100% Korean natural farming instead of chemical farming? The answer is yes. You can. Is it easy to transition? Not really. You got to have that little transition. You can start to wean off your chemicals and start to put more things out there. but let me just I want to just pull up this one farm here I mean you know if you look at my like you know my farm I'm doing great without chemicals I'm in fact I have less disease
12:26 more production all these things I mean so yeah like 100% you you can do it you could go 100% natural farming. Um, you know, I'm not even sure what a hundred percent, uh, Korean natural farming would be. Um, but let me show you here. Um, let's see here. Let me just show you like, for instance, um, this is, this is a guy doing, um, grapes here. Um, and let me see here, like, well, let's see, I've got to scroll through to find the right thing here. But this guy here is just doing grapes.
13:14 And look how thick the grapevine is. This is just doing natural farming. I think he's using a lot of biochar. Young Song is like they're trying to pretend like this guy learned from him. But I think he was doing other methods. And he does do some jadam. But look at these grapes. You know, these are just like picture perfect, amazing, good grapes that you can eat. This is all 100% natural farming, you know, within reason. I don't think he's using much chemicals at all. You know, like look at all these grapes and everything. But he's using charcoal. He's using some other things.
13:53 Then here, for instance, this guy here, this is a hundred-year-old pear farm that we're going to visit. How old are you? and then look at all these pairs i mean these are asian pairs that are just like massive popping off um you know what else there's you know if you if you scroll my channel you'll see there's just example after example especially in korea because they tend to do they're much more commercial I'm much more in my operation. I'm much more homestead growing produce, but focused on, you know, building a resilient system that will actually be resilient for the future.
14:43 that's my focus i'm not like trying to get rich farming i'm trying to be a homestead where it's like as supply lines and money and everything inflation all this crazy stuff goes over happens in the world you know i just see like this chaos coming and so i'm really trying to be resilient in that so that's you know and can i do it all with natural farming heck yeah less disease like I said, I don't have the, you know, I do have a little bit of banana bungee top, which is a virus that's spread around. But if I use lactobacillus and I spray it, the protectors up into the canopy
15:24 and I spray it in there, I won't have it. The tree will grow through it. It'll actually overcome that disease and all these things. So in everyone else that's here, you know, I mean, if you watch the channel you watch and you check it in it's it's like yeah you can do natural farming um you the the one difference uh what's the major difference between jadam and knf is k um jadam is korean natural farming it's just a disgustingly cheap version of it so they're not separate um jadam is korean natural farming it's korean natural farming it's just really cheap ways of doing the same things.
16:07 It's like a young song describes it as, as pop music versus a classical symphony. Like, so his father's methods, master chose methods are much more sophisticated, much more composed and like thought about versus his is just bump and slap, just get it done, you know? And so they're just disgustingly cheap ways of doing Korean natural farming. So it's all Korean natural farming. It's not like Jadam is different than KNF. Jadam is KNF. It's just a disgustingly cheap way of doing KNF. So just keep that in mind. They're not different from each other.
16:50 They're just two methods of achieving the same thing. so um so also the other thing that i said i wanted to talk about last time was a little bit of um uh was a little bit of water and here um show this video here this is um this is my vortex brewer which i'm about to set up again and get going but um how to build this vortex brewer what i'm trying to accomplish i actually have a video so a can of vortex brewer of what the reason for this is you know oxygenating water how to load it
17:45 up with the KNF formulas, how to put the right things in, how to build liquid IMO, which I need to actually make a whole bunch of that, of how to build this thing, how to do it, and then drinking it once it's been brewed, you know, and then how I'm actually using this stuff. So anyway, so I do have a video on my website here. It's actually naturalfarminghawaii.net where it talks all about that of how to build this vortex brewer. And then also here's a slightly different design where I was using a trash can down below. And then this is a bacterial mineral water instead of a vortex
18:39 burn. So what this thing is doing is it's pumping the water up and smashing it against rocks and then draining back around. So a different technique of doing similar things to make water. And yeah, so let's see here. Can I fast forward this a little bit? So if you look in the top, there's a bunch of crystals. and then this is being driven around and as I pull it up it loses it because it's just an airlift pump so this is the bottom of the airlift pump just sucks the water in the air is entering
19:27 there and it sucks we're using bubbles up to the top and cycles this thing around so So it's just a different way of doing it, of building. The whole idea is that, number one, you want oxygenated water. So this system here highly oxygenates the water as it's bringing it around. And then number two is you want the minerals. So as it drops it on these crystals and these rocks that are in here, the bacteria starts to grow, and it starts to build these biofilms which start to micronize and just, you know, pull the rocks
20:07 apart and pull them into the water. And then also the bacteria then goes into this lower kind of resting tank as it swirls around. And so this is just a very simple oxygenation type of technique of what I was what I was doing. And then in Korea itself, when we go to visit, here's looking at their BMW, which starts right about here. So let me go back. Okay, so it'll transition over. So this is like a larger scale one that they're doing in Korea. It's going to start here in one sec. Here we go. So big tank there being pumped up, dropping the water, and they're dropping the water about
20:52 three meters. Right here is their, I think it's the splash guard. If I look through this thing here, you'll see there's the rocks that it's hitting, and then there's this big tank. So this pump is circulating this around. So this is a Master Cho design. Here's this little pump down here, dropping the water through the top. And then that is hitting these rocks in here. So all these rocks in this basket, and then the water's kind of coming down on the bottom. So this is like an industrial scale. So that's an industrial scale size BMW.
21:41 So it just cycles around like that. And they have different valves where they can turn it off or pump it out of here. You know, pump it around here. turn that off, pump it out here if they want it to so and then here's all the different types of rocks they have loaded in there different, you know, gypsum and whatever all these different high mineral rocks, some granite you know So, anyway, I just wanted to talk a little bit about, yeah, smashing up quartz and adding it is brilliant, right?
22:27 Tons of stuff there, so I wanted to talk about that. Low-cost inputs means very high cropping rates are not required for profitable production with KNF. Not exactly sure what you mean by that. Okay, and then Sheet Truck is asking, does alcohol smell when making FPJ mean that it went too long before straining? There should be a slight alcohol smell to it when it's done. The whole key with a can of food to that degree is that even if you look at my book here, that it says there should be a slight alcohol smell right here.
23:20 Slight alcohol smell. And that's when fermentation is complete. Because what you need to do with a fermented plant juice is that as the plant material is being extracted here, it goes into the sugar, it's actually not water-soluble. Like the chlorophylls and things are not water-soluble unless there's alcohol in there. So through the fermentation process, that's why you can't just take plant material and a blender and sugar and blend it and then just get that juice and then use that. it's that fermentation process that actual alcohol that's happening in the fermented plant juice
24:01 in the can of food that that fermentation makes alcohol and that alcohol actually makes your chlorophylls and other properties water soluble it actually makes the product the you know it can grab that and make it happen without it you're just blending it up and the chlorophyll will not enter the cell. So if any of you are doing like green drink kind of things and you're thinking like, oh, I'm going to get all this chlorophyll. It's so good for me. You need fermentation to happen. So some fermentation will happen in your gut, but you really need the fermentation to occur
24:37 to make these compounds digestible, broken down, water soluble, all these things so you can take them in. And so anyway, so that's, that's, that's all those things there. So that's, that's, you know, slight alcohol smell, you should have that. If it smells extremely like alcohol, maybe you let it go a little bit long, but it should be just fine. So there's some questions here about sea salt enough for replacing missing minerals. Most likely sea salt. Again,
25:23 if I go to my book here and I look up seawater here, then if I transition this over and you look at it. All of these elements are in seawater. So it has everything. It has helium in there. It has cesium. It has zinc. It has niacin. I don't know if niacin is actually an element. What is Ni? I'm not sure. It has neon in it. It has copper. It has zeon. It has iron. It has aluminum. It has RE, whatever that is. Molybendium. I don't even know there's an element with why. It has uranium. It has every lithium.
26:09 Hey, lithium. Calm down, buddy. It has oxygen. You know, dissolved oxygen has silicon. It has boron. It has nitrogen, carbon. What is BR? I'm not sure. Phosphorus. Or potassium. It has calcium, magnesium, sodium, chlorine, and sulfur. So it has all these things. If I really zoom in on it, you can see. Look at all these elements. All these elements are in seawater, right? All these elements. So the key is to put it in and dilute it. And when they dilute it, then these microbes that are in there are able to get these.
26:58 So which fertilizer do you have at the store that has gallium, that has, you know, all these things in there? Beryllium, right? I'm only naming gold. There's gold! It's gold chloride, right? It has every single element. And lead even. Yeah, you know, if you needed a little... Oh, no. PD is not lead. PB is lead. Um, it has all of these things. So if you, you know, what other fertilizer do you have that has this type of trace mineral content? Uh, I'm unaware of any others that have that. And this was just sea salt. I just took seawater and diluted it.
27:41 Now you can't get more cheap than that of going to the ocean, getting a bucket of seawater and diluting it to, you know, what is it, 0.1 salinity here. And, you know, just dilute it 1 to 30 and you get 0.1 salinity, right? Like it's that kind of stuff that is just, you know, I don't know where else you can get that kind of thing. But seawater, sea salt, either way, whatever you start with, is it enough to replace missing minerals? I would say so. The key is to dilute it. The key is to bring your ground to life with microbes and to get organic carbon in there.
28:26 So all those things you got to do. And so Sheet Truck was also asking a little bit more about the fermented plant juice and asking, can you leave it too long and is it no good as an FPJ? Well, so when you're making fermented plant juice, can of food is what I call it because it's food. If you're making it from growth tips and you leave it a real long time, you let it ferment too long, you're going to get secondary, tertiary, fourthiary, fifthiary, sixthiary fermentation happening. And each time it's going to break down further and further.
29:09 The whole point to make it from growth tips is to get those hormones and enzymes here. So you don't want them broken down a whole bunch. So you want to pour it off like this, put it in here, and supersaturate it with sugar so that you tie up all the water so the microbes can't continue fermentation and can't continue that breakdown process. If you let growth tips go too long, it becomes more like a ripe fruit plant. So if it's old growth tips or it's really, you let it ferment too much, it becomes more like a fruit and better in the fruiting stage than in your vegetative stage. Okay.
29:51 So there you go on that one. Learning about this. um so um and 808 shibi says i noticed that a lot of southeast asian farmers thailand philippines and vietnam use molasses instead of brown sugar when they make fpj is that because it's more easily accept accessible thoughts um i've been to the philippines and all the solutions i tested down there were corrupt, meaning that what they thought they had had actually turned to vinegar. So in any time a long-term storage, that's what happens when you add molasses is it doesn't
30:36 preserve it. It actually activates it. And so when you think you've got this nice fermented plant juice stored, it's actually converting into vinegar and you've made a vinegar. A lot of the Southeast Asian farmers do it because, A, they have less money. If you're a true farmer down there, you've got less money. Molasses is cheaper, and so they buy the wrong product. They just think, oh, well, I know better than this guy, and they do it wrong. So they're better off to spend the money, get the sugar, and get the high production.
31:09 I also did not see the same type of high production that I see in Korea, where they actually do this type of stuff. correctly. Everything I saw was just kind of hodgepodge, not really happening very well. It was very, because they're using vinegar. They're not using these compounds they think they are. They're using vinegar. I haven't been to Vietnam and I haven't been to Thailand, but I've heard from a lady in Vietnam that they use a lot of molasses and they're wrong. I mean, I'm just going to say straight up, like, I don't often say you're wrong, but if you're using
31:45 molasses for a preservative, you're wrong. Molasses is an activator. There is a use case for molasses, and it's not for extraction because it doesn't have the osmotic pressure, and it's not for preservation because it's not there. And if you're curious, you can watch my video on the channel on sugar. It's in the recommended videos. So if you click on the channel and go there, watch sugar versus molasses, you'll have a really good idea of what I'm talking about. so the osmotic pressure and also the preservation techniques is where molasses fails
32:18 um well you know they get okay results but it's not that great and um so so anyway and also the other thing that i don't fault these guys on is that it's very challenging to learn from master cho So we're lucky here. I'm myself because I have Dr. Park and Ray Yoon and those two guys and Kim Chang. Those three, rest in peace, Kim, bless you. They're really good translators. And they're able to take Korean and get it into English. in the Philippines it they um Master Cho talks Japanese so it's not his primary language he does
33:13 speak a fair amount of Japanese and he's pretty darn good and then it goes to somebody who translates it into Filipino and so first off Master Cho isn't speaking his primary language Second off, it's going through someone else who may or may not know the farming as well as Dr. Park or Ray Yoon or Kim Chang. And so your translator really matters on how you are understanding this information. And like 80% of the problems in natural farming for me when I was learning came from the fact that I can't just speak directly to Master Cho and get clarification.
33:51 It had to go through, you know, a Korean translator to English, then back to the translator, then back to him. And it's like, you know, you hear his answer come back and you're like, that's not what I asked. And that's not. And so this murkiness of like, why do they use molasses? It probably didn't get translated very clearly. Master Cho just can't be like, don't use this in Filipino and say, don't use this in Thai. And say, don't use this in Vietnamese. It goes through somebody that says, yeah, so it's maybe it's OK. You know, it's like he doesn't, you know, you can't, there's that gap.
34:24 It's like playing telephone. It's like you talk to somebody and it says, and it's like, by the time it gets to you, it's a completely different message. And so that's another additional factor that's hampered the natural farming as it's come to us is that it's hard to get clear, solid information. When you ask something, it's like, if you just said no in your language, you'd be like, oh, okay, he should just say, you know, like, learn no in all languages, and when he hears something, just say no, you know, it's like, and, you know, but people always want to know why, and they want
34:58 to know, you know, but it just, it doesn't work, molasses is guaranteed, gonna, if you're gonna, you can't, A, you don't get a good extraction, and B, you don't, it activates, so you can't use it for storage. So yeah, and Spencer said it here is really good here where it said a lot of people using molasses are actually making a FPE, which is a fermented plant extract, which a fermented plant extract is where lactobacillus breaks down the things and you get a fermented plant extract, You get an extract. It's not the juice from inside. It's not the osmotic stuff coming out.
35:45 It's more of a quick fermentation digestion and a low pH. And people think they're using it interchangeably with fermented plant juice, but they're not the same. They're not the same. I don't know if you guys know where that's from. Not the same thing. You guys, I gotta watch. It's Vanilla Ice. Which, hopefully, this thing did not demonetize for this, but this is hilarious. It's making it different. It's totally different. It's a rap song. It doesn't sound anything like that. And just to prove his point,
36:32 Vanilla breaks it down and sings the dings. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. that's the way theirs goes ours goes that little bitty change it's not the same ours goes ours goes ours goes little bitty change it's not the same not the same it's not the same anyway hey thanks so amazing keeping the family alive keeping me good here all this good stuff hopefully that doesn't demonetize this video
37:17 who knows who knows so anyway some of the best memes on the internet come from free and open society and all this so and Marcus asking, is the level of sodium chloride harmful? No. Diluted seawater, man, the sodium and the chloride, sodium, it all gets used up. It's all about dilution. The solution to pollution is dilution. Yeah, no, that level of sodium chloride is not harmful, especially if you've got living soil, microbes, enough charcoal, enough humus, all these things.
38:06 They will deal with it. And you can use C90. And C90 removes the sodium and the chloride and just gives you the sea solid. So if you are worried about sodium chloride and you don't want to trust me, which is fine, go ahead and use C90. Purchase that. Otherwise, you know, just go to the ocean or get sea salt. it's way less, way more affordable, way not as expensive as C90. But you can go with C92. It's not a big problem. So let's see here. One more little Vortex Brewer. I was going to talk about
38:53 water today a little bit. That's why. So here you go. This Vortex Brewer, here it is in the clear, spinning around. You can see this was my original system setup, but same thing. It's kind of funny. I just built a shed right over here. But you can see this thing, and this one, I actually angled it down more and made it come inside. This was my original thing, but it spins around, makes a good vortex. You can see all the IMO chunks and everything being brewed around here. This is IMO 4. That's why it's so dirty. Here's the airline coming into this Vortex airlift pump.
39:34 And there it is at the bottom. Let's see. Do I actually show the pump? No. But this is just it spinning around. And if you do it with clear water, you can see a tornado come all the way through. And it's actually sucking air all the way through this thing. so that's possible there what size pump am I using it's right here I'm glad you asked I'm using this thing it's a AP150 air pump so AP150 It puts out 150 cubic.
40:24 Yeah, if I can read it a little bit better. Let's zoom in on that here. It puts out 9150 cubic inches a minute. It's a 100-watt pump. And, yeah, it has certain pressures and stuff. But that's basically what it is. Oh, and it's an AP100. So an AP100 from Danier Manufacturing Company. This thing's used to, this is pretty overpowered. I did run an AP50 as well, but this thing puts out, you know, that many cubic inches a minute at a certain pressure. It's 6.53 PSI.
41:10 So that's the air pump I'm using when I really do good stuff here. let's see here here's another system that's kind of looking at it here and the BMW going around and then here it is just going without the top bucket there and then I put the bucket up here and put a lid on as a silencer and now it's pretty silent running and I can just run this thing around and around and I'll teabag it sometimes
41:56 and or I'll just put the IMO directly in there's the IMO, look at that I think it's actually chicken pen floor it looks like to me and I put in some fish meal look at that, and some bran plant juice oh humic acid it's actually worm juice that i put in there so all kinds of good stuff loaded up into this and doing it and water oh gosh what do i do water is super important though and yes you can use um you know cleaner water for the livestock not 100 it's always after this you dilute it right before you're using it you're not you're
42:41 not just brewing this and using it pure you're diluting it you're taking what you've brewed and then diluting it at least one to ten preferably one to a hundred and then using that so i brew you know a five gallon tank and then dump that into a hundred gallon tank and i think that's what one to twenty dilution near nearly around there um and using that um so that's how it's happening angelica if you're looking for angelica and licorice I use mountain rose herbs but folks I should get a sponsorship from these guys because I always
43:27 always go and put this up but these guys here mountain rose herbs let's see let me slide this over so you can see it here. These guys, man, they're great. And if you look right here and you look up Angelica, it is super expensive. Um, but this right here, don't use the powder. This is the one I use here. Um, Angelica root and for four ounces is $15 a pound is $48, which so, um, so, you know, this stuff is very, you know, when you're making OHN, it's an investment and it's worth it, but to do it right. And this is Angelica Arche Angelica from Germany.
44:12 Very good stuff here. Hey, thanks. Yeah, I think that's Jennifer. But hey, thanks. Thanks. Thanks for the super chats, man. It's you guys make everything better. And I hope I'm saving you time, money and energy in sharing these things. You know, it is about the family. It's about practicing love, correctness, humility, all these things. But yeah, I really appreciate the feedback this way. I was thinking about it this morning and I'm like, man, my wife's visiting her family right now, or it's our family, I guess, but in Washington,
44:50 it's me alone. And I'm like, man, what am I doing on my Sunday? I'm coming over here to do this. But it's, you know, it's about the family. It's about the clan, right? trying to improve myself, show up, build a better people out there. Is it possible to farm a potato without tilling? I don't think so. I don't know how you would get the potatoes out of the ground. And these guys also have licorice. Licorice. Licorice. let me just look this up because again you want this one here actually you want this this one here is the one
45:36 actually either of these I think let me see here this one the slices the Chinese one Urlacensis or Glabara shoot I'm pretty sure pretty sure you want this one or i'm not sure i i gotta look that up it's actually it's in the book it says which one it is i forget i don't know why i always forget this i don't remember the latin names but one of these is the is the true cinnamon whichever one's true cinnamon use that one purd yeah anyway uh someone may drop it in the chat because i don't i don't
46:22 I can't recall right now which one's true cinnamon. But anyway, Rainbow Possum Farms talking about getting composted when they go, and they're going to use it with IMOs. That's cool. I always, you know, if possible, take my bones and make them into, oh, yeah, yay, Cheryl, hey, thank you. It's really nice to see folks not only pay lip service and say thank you, but actually put action and really, you know, the dollars make a lot of sense for me of, yeah, it's
47:11 not just lip service, you know, paying to the family. It's like practicing these higher ideals. It's amazing. I appreciate it. You know, I was thinking about it. I'm like, how many people tune in every week or whatever, you know, watch this and get all this tons of value. And today it's like, wow, you guys are appreciating it and really reciprocating this. It's really nice. It's really nice. I'm actually, you can see my genuine happiness here. You guys really, the selfless dedication to natural farming. It's really, it's true. And the detailed teachings. I really try to go into it.
47:41 I really try to be, you know, give you everything I've learned because you're here to tune in. you know, why, why hold back, right? And Master Cho said, you know, don't teach people that aren't ready, but people that are ready, teach them. So, um, so, um, yeah, I hope, I hope they turn my bones into calcium phosphate and, uh, cause I like to make things flower, right? Um, and that changeover period, right? That's, that's what I'm all about. So, um, yeah yeah no gratitude comes in many forms i'm not i'm not saying that you know that like like
48:20 you know as i always say you know putting this into practice teaching people doing these things that's that really matters too right but you know it's nice like i'm not no not trying to hassle or heckle folks here i'm just actually being thankful and really appreciating the super chats come down because man it's like i look at my youtube income and i'm like oh man what the heck um so anyway i appreciate it i really appreciate it i'm not trying to hassle you guys um i'm just i am trying to point out that like you know lip service versus you know
48:51 action you know um yeah oh cool cool yeah and i can't read your uh your hebrew name here it's funny it actually highlights it backwards when i highlight your name i think because it's in Hebrew. Um, but Hey, thanks, man. I'm glad that Sam turned you onto this and I'm glad people are out there teaching and, uh, getting out there and doing all this. Um, and, um, Stephen hammer is asking what is the lowest temp you can apply the different KNF additives. And I'm,
49:37 I'm thinking that, um, it's, as long as it's not freezing, you can spray it. Uh, it's best to do it like in fall, uh, the lowest temp, you know, uh, everything's going to slow down. The microbes will slow down, but as long as it's not freezing, Hey, go ahead, spray it. Um, they'll, they'll do their thing. You know, you can even put all out all these things, um, in winter, go for it, you know, um, spread IMO, bury it, you know, I mean, not bury it. That's not a bad idea, but, um, yeah so okay so with all that we got about 10 more minutes thanks yeah and it's glad that the
50:15 whole world community is connecting and everyone you know walking the talk and bringing the things up doing the things i wanted to continue with this speaking of kind of walking the talk doing the things making the things happen i wanted to get back to this presentation that we were going through the other day um and yeah cheryl that's a great idea to spray the solutions right before it rains when it's poor weather and it's like gonna rain in fact for me right now um it's makahiki season which if you don't know in hawaii it means that um it's right after makalii um
50:54 the seven sisters subaru whatever you call it um rises and then there's a full moon it becomes Makahiki, which they just did the Lono procession and ran around the island, circumnavigated the island with the Lono little guy signifying that the seasons are changing from ku of war of production to Lono of peace of nourishing them, your higher spiritual self in here. And so it's Makahiki. So it's really rainy here. And so it's a great time for me and I'm doing pasture restoration. And so I was thinking, man, I can just spray this seawater without even
51:35 diluting it. I'm going to spray it real quick out there because it's raining so much. So it'll pre-dilute on the ground. So I'm going to get my Vortex Brewer together. I just got my shed up. I got to finish wiring it and then I get the Vortex Brewer there. Brew an amazing batch. So liquid IMOs plus all the solutions. Then I'm going to throw some fish amino acid, the fuel in there, the fuel, the fire, the pastures, and then the seawater. And then put that in there. Yeah, the Subaru stars, the Pleiades. Yeah, Pleiades is the other name. I forget. It's all these names.
52:10 That's a Greek name for it. I was actually thinking the other day, I was like, last night, actually, I was walking through the pasture and looking up at the stars. And I was like, man, you know, I know the stars by the Greek names, but I would love a book that would tell me the indigenous cult each indigenous culture's story of the stars and what they called them because like i you know you know it's like oh here it's all these greek or arabic names that it's like oh yeah you know um you know draco or or you know cygnus or andromeda or you know
52:45 these are all like greek names right um versus what are what are like you know the indigenous like what are the indigenous people call the stars and i wanted a book that would say here's the map of the stars from all these indigenous perspectives and here's their star stories so if you know of one of those let me know i'd love to get it and i'm really interested in the stars and saw a great shooting star last night as i was walking in the pasture so anyway anyway good kind of off topic but um pleiades the stars the seasons change you know
53:16 it's a huge sky clock right you can look up crow 777 on that he has great great idea of the sky clock that's going around. Yeah. Oh, cool. You had Stonemason had students. Thanks, man. Yeah, it's great. And yeah, I got your email last week and share that. Pick blueberries and did that. Man, this is cool. Yeah, tell the stories of the stars, right? Because each, you know, we just have these Greek names like Hercules. And it's like, that's the Greek one. And they, you know, Hera threw this thing on the sky and Zeus was all mad at these guys. And it's like,
53:57 that's just one small sliver that like dominates our star story. But I really want to hear the other indigenous ones. Okay. So back on track, back on natural farming, back to IMO three. We went over this last week. So if you missed it, check out, um, can have support, click on office hours. check out the past office hours. And we were doing, came through the IMO3 process. It was kind of confusing to me of how they did it. But we're going to go straight from that and jump into IMO4, what I call activated IMO, because you're taking the IMOs and you're activating
54:39 them ready to go in your field. IMO3 is called propagated IMO. So you're propagating what was small handful turning it into trillions here you're propagating all these they're getting ready they're propagated but they don't have real life soil experience they're just a lot of soil microbes that are growing they're really well trained but they don't have any soil experience so that's what imo4 does is it takes your imo3 that you that you um train and it adds one to one with soil. And your soil here is actually in this ratio of where you have soil, which is your,
55:19 which is, yeah, soil. And you have, so this is just like kind of dirt. Then you have your field soil. So soil from your actual field that you're going to put it in and then red clay. So this soil here is actually in this ratio of, you know, dirt, yeah, like dirt kind of stuff, you're really good field soil, and then in really good, you know, from your soil, and red clay here. So mixing these in into this into the one to one, right? So when you get these three different things, the red clay has a whole bunch of nutrients and minerals and that kind of stuff. Also in Korea, they use
56:05 like old granite rock and that as the red clay here, field soil, soil. You know, the idea is that this soil here is pretty poor and your field soil should actually have good microbes in it. I'm pretty sure that's the right ratio. Anyway, that's the general concept is you're mixing these together and you're going to train the microbes that learn that They're these soil microbes you grew in the propagated stage, and now you're going to give them work experience. You're going to say, this is the soil you're going to encounter when you go to real life. So get ready for it.
56:39 And then you're going to train them how to turn this soil into great texture, everything they need to live. They're going to learn how to do it with this soil. So in order to do that, you mix in these nutrients. You put in the medicine, the food, the cleanser, and the minerals, which in this case, you could use a bacterial mineral water that you made and say that's mineral A, or you can just use seawater, 1 to 30 here. And so, you know, diluted. So these are the dilutions. So you're taking the propagated microbes, this soil, and then adding all these nutrients.
57:17 And it gives them the perfect condition that over the next week, they will convert that into great stuff and learn how to use it. So you take all that, you dilute it. You can watch a video on how to do this. But you dilute it and you make it a 70% moisture content similar to the previous stage. and then you keep the temperature between 40 and 50 Celsius. So that means under 120 degrees. And then you kind of make the pile this high and you ferment it for seven days. And it says keep the temperature 1 to 15 Celsius. I'm not sure what that means. Maybe it means do it when it's freezing out.
58:01 I don't know. Like maybe it's easier. Like last week we had a bunch of people say it's way easier to do this during the winter because the outside temperature is lower. For me, I don't know. I'd never ever have a condition where it's 1 to 15 Celsius here, ever. I mean, I don't even think of monakea side, it stays that way. so so these so this is the method of how to do it basically you know you mix it all together mix the soil in here, mix your liquid nutrients make it 60 to 70% moisture content then continually turn this and the reason for turning is that you're mixing the outside
58:47 like this pile will heat up right and the core of your pile will get hotter than the edges and the core of the pile will have less oxygen than the edges and as you take this and as you turn it in different microbes are going to grow out here on the surface let me see i'm going to make my mouse bigger for you guys because i'm not exactly sure you can see it and um i probably should do this before i start but anyway i'll just make it bigger here so on the outside different microbes than on the inside okay so the outside so as you turn this and you're turning the pile
59:21 you're mixing the outer microbes into the inner microbes and turning this whole thing in the upper to the lower and everything and you get more diversity because this this set grew a little bit differently than this set and as you mix them together now these microbes are next to those microbes and wherever they end up in the pile they start breeding together and it increases your diversity, which again, that's what you're trying to do. They're getting the soil, the propagated IMOs and all those nutrients, and they are breeding with each other. That's why the
59:53 pile's heating up. As they breed with each other and they make more microbes, the temperature rises. It's the vibration of love that's heating this pile up. It's very sacred science of what you're doing, mixing these together. And the key is to keep the temperature below 120 or 50 Celsius, because if it goes above that, you're growing a different set of microbes that are not good for your soil. And I say not good. It's not like they're not good. They're just not the microbes you're looking for, right? So you want to keep it in this range. You've done this whole process.
1:00:30 You've got to keep it lower temperature. One way to do that is if you make the pile very tall, it'll heat up real quick if you're not going to be able to turn it for a while make the pile thinner make it small and then it won't heat up as fast but there is a critical heating up amount you got to keep it between 40 to 50 is what it's saying here you don't want to get too cool that the microbes don't breed but you want to get it you know you want to stack it big enough that they can breed. And what happens is all these microbes then live, breed, grow, learn how to work with
1:01:06 your soil and work together. And then when you use it on the fields, you put it out and you spread it right evenly over the surface. So it's just a very small dusting. And I think here, let's see. So here it is. This is the IMO4 being turned. They put a straw mat on top of it to keep it nice, keep it insulated. Also, this straw has a carbon interaction where they pull carbon out of here into their thing. They're doing it in this nice greenhouse. This is also providing the shade. Remember, you want 70% shade for this. But if you look, their soil is being caked out with mycelia,
1:01:50 and when they go spread it on the fields, their fields start to come to life like this. If you've ever seen mycelia bloom out, it's because you've trained your microbes so well that they know how to work with your soil that when they hit the surface and you add those same nutrients back, they'll penetrate into your soil and colonize it. The whole point of Korean natural farming here is to bring your soil to life this way. So here's them dusting it out. This is what it looks like when you treat. Here's the soil before, Here's them dusting it. You just put this light covering over the entire top.
1:02:24 Then you add the soil formula to it and you get this huge bloom out. So it's bringing this entire row to life. Look at all that mycelia. Look at all that life. This is what Master Cho is talking about when he says this is why Korean natural farming is so effective. Look at that. I mean, that bloom out here of happening when you all these small animals become activated, they go out there, they do it. Right. Look at this dude. Look how stoked he is with his nice slippers. You know, he's pointing at the ground. He's like, look at this, man, my stuff's alive.
1:02:59 And sure enough, when you put this stuff out, your soil becomes textured like this. It becomes these balls and you get worms and all as the plants are here. Look how much is clinging to the root hairs and all this. Like, this is just living soil. Beautiful stuff from blooming out like this. You know, and this is because he spread the IMOs and then he put out the liquid. So, again, using it with, okay, so this is, let's see here. yeah so the soil foundation how to utilize I'm going to skip this right here if you use it in a liquid form he's saying
1:03:45 dilute it 1 to 500 and 1 to 1000 and spray it out there so he's saying dilute it way more than I was saying it but yeah I think you guys are jumping the gun to IMO5. I think we'll get to IMO5. I'm not going to talk about it here today. I'm going to finish up the IMO4. I'm actually a little bit over my time here, but I just want to show you, like, you can make liquid, you can make a fermented IMO5, like a fermented mixed compost. I try not to use the word IMO5, because Master Cho calls four different things IMO5, and it's really confusing which one he's talking about. But calling it
1:04:27 fermented mixed compost is a good thing. Because you can make all these other things here would be IMO 5 when Master Cho talks about it. So here, if you are going to how to utilize it, and this is a field, it's not filed. Field without successive cropping disorder, meaning that if you sowed something and your last crop was good, you're in this column. If you sowed something and your last crop was bad, you're in this column. So it says one week before planting, put out your IMO4. Spread it out there. Before seeding or planting, put out your IMO4. Then right after, apply IMO4.
1:05:14 So this is the soil foundation formula, which is in the book here. Where is it at? The book. It is this formula right here. So it's food, cleanser, medicine, structure, protectors, and minerals. That's what's in your soil formula. That's what he's talking about. And so you do that right after applying IMO4. And then, so if you had a great crop last time and you just put this out and then you apply IMO4 right after, so one week before, that's all you have to do.
1:05:51 If your crop sucked last time and you had problems and you had successive cropping disorder, two weeks before planting, put out your IMO4. And then right after you put your IMO down, put your soil treatment, that formula, liquid formula. Then one time, one week before planting, put your soil formula. meaning that if you had successive disorders like you need to put the IMOs two weeks before and then feed it twice of the liquids so those liquids again are these right here this this row right here of that so that way then you should bring that should bring your IMOs back to life and
1:06:37 you should then be able to you know within a certain amount of doing this be able to take a spike like this and drive it straight down into your soil. Like this guy's growing cucumbers and he, look at that. I mean, take a grounding rod. Imagine you took a grounding rod and just put it down into your ground like that, right? And that means that this guy, he only has to put out IMO one week before and just bring it to life and then plant his cucumbers. If you can't do this, you probably have to do it a few more times. So anyway, I'm glad there's lots of love here in the chat
1:07:17 and that you guys are talking about all this good stuff. And again, I want to thank Master Cho, his original organization here, for putting all these slides together. Juyung, Youngsung, Sona, Robbie, Sun Young, the whole Master Cho family, and you for tuning in, Master Cho, Pure KNF Foundation for sponsoring this. Check these things out at KNF Support. If you are interested in a class coming here, training with me, do still have one opening for a cottage or there's openings that if you stay somewhere else you can still take take the
1:08:02 class um so knffarm.com if you want to train on those get the recipe book spread the love share the family turn yourself into a superior person because from you will radiate all these things remember it's uh kind kindness loving and correctness right those are the things we need to embodying ourselves and in each other. And I want to thank you for, you know, doing your best part to do that today. Hope you have a great Sunday. Let me check my calendar real quick here because I think, yeah, I'll be back next week in the 27th. I will see you then if you tune in. And
1:08:45 otherwise watch it later you know do your thing get out there make things great share the things you love and as always yeah happy thanksgiving because it's it's going to be thanksgiving between now and then i really you know eat a good turkey for um you know grow turkeys man natural farming no smell no antibiotics even healthier um someone get into that next year okay anyway love you guys uh peace out happy thanksgiving aloha bye now