FAA Frothing, IMO4T Seed Soak, Chicken Brooder Box
Drake opens with a question about fish amino acids: why they froth like beer when poured. The lactobacillus inside gets excited by the extra oxygen and kicks its metabolism into gear. He notes chilling the FAA or adding a bit more sugar can slow the froth, and that humidity in the air makes it worse too.
Next, Printer Bear asks whether adding IMO4T to a seed soak is a good idea. Drake says yes: the seed formula's food, cleanser, medicine, structure, fuel, and minerals soften the seed coat, and IMO4T inoculates it so the sprout and cotyledons come up already covered in beneficial microbes, helping guard against bacterial wilt, damping-off disease, and cutworms.
The rest of the episode starts a multi-week series on Master Cho's chicken system, using footage from a past poultry seminar. Drake walks through leveling the pen, building the brooder box (about 35.4 by 35.4 inches, filled with rice hulls for insulation with a ventilation stack), the angled ramp that lets chicks self-regulate warmth, a small containment yard so weaker chicks don't get left behind, water pipes and feeders sized up as chicks age, and the day-by-day wall removal schedule that differs for broilers versus layers.
He closes with the first-three-days rule (just water and brown rice), when to pull the secondary brooder box once a third of the birds start perching (around day 55 to 60), and Master Cho lifting a raw egg yolk whole with chopsticks to show what a strong, well-raised egg looks like.
Questions answered
- 5:45 Why does fish amino acids froth like beer when poured? — Lactobacillus in the FAA gets excited by the oxygen added while pouring and its metabolism spikes, causing the froth.
- 8:08 How do you hatch eggs in KNF chicken keeping? — Drake starts a multi-week series on Master Cho's system, beginning today with the brooder box and pen setup.
- 9:41 Does humidity make FAA bubble up more too? — Yes, humid air pulls extra moisture in and excites the lactobacillus further, so FAA bubbles more on wet days.
- 12:45 Can IMO4T be added to a seed soak, or is that a dumb idea? — Great idea: it softens the seed coat and inoculates it so the sprout and cotyledons come up covered in beneficial microbes.
- 19:08 Why must the brooder pen area be perfectly flat first? — Young chicks can sprain an ankle on lumpy ground, so Master Cho insists on a flat, level area before building anything.
- 20:39 What goes inside the hollow brooder box walls? — Rice hulls, rice straw, or other insulating material like hemp hurd, with a pipe venting heat and moisture out the back.
- 22:11 Why is the brooder floor built as an angled ramp? — It lets chicks move toward the warmer back or the cooler front so they can manage their own temperature.
- 22:57 What size should a chick brooder box be? — About 35.4 by 35.4 inches, roughly a 3-foot square, with a wider double box for 200 meat-bird chicks.
- 26:53 Why keep new chicks in such a tiny yard at first? — Free range right away lets strong chicks outrun weak ones, so a small contained yard keeps the whole batch even, like a playpen.
- 29:44 How big should the chicken waterer pipe be? — Size it up with age: a small pipe for baby chicks, then medium, then a large pipe like 4-inch PVC for adult birds.
- 38:08 What are the feeder dimensions for baby versus adult chickens? — The baby-to-medium feeder is 1 inch on the near lip and 2.3 inches on the far lip, flipped at day 30; adults get a V-shaped feeder with a roller bar.
- 49:55 How does a broiler pen expand compared to a layer pen? — Broilers get their walls pulled back on days 2, 4, 7, 10, 15, and 20 since they're fed heavier and turned over faster.
- 51:30 When do you remove the secondary brooder box? — Once about a third of the birds start using the perch, usually around day 55 to 60, you pull the secondary box.
- 52:47 What do chicks eat for the first three days? — Just water and brown rice piled right at the brooder door, nothing else.
- 56:09 How do you tell if an egg has strong nutrition? — You can lift the raw yolk off the shell whole with chopsticks without it breaking, unlike a typical commercial egg.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Welcome and goals for office hours
- 2:37 I Ching reading: grace and inner strength
- 5:45 Why fish amino acids froth when poured
- 8:08 Hatching eggs and starting the chicken topic
- 10:23 Pure KNF Foundation membership and site
- 12:45 IMO4T added to seed soak
- 15:51 Chick brooder box video walkthrough begins
- 19:08 Flattening and prepping the brooder area
- 20:39 Brooder box insulation and ventilation
- 22:11 Angled ramp for chick temperature control
- 22:57 Brooder box dimensions
- 25:16 Rice straw mat and climbing slope
- 26:53 Containing chicks in a small starter yard
- 29:44 Sizing water pipes to chicken age
- 38:08 Feeder dimensions for chicks and adults
- 49:55 Broiler vs layer wall removal schedule
- 51:30 Perches and removing the secondary brooder box
- 52:47 First three days: water and rice only
- 56:09 Raw egg quality test with chopsticks
- 1:00:03 Wrap-up and what's next
Transcript
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0:30 Hey, good morning. Good day. Good, you know, wherever you are. However you are. What you up to? What time it is now? Time is now for office hours. Green natural farming. Master Cho. Pure KNF Foundation. PureKNF.org. Yeah, had some good things going. I'll get into that in a minute. But kind of got a late start this morning. I was talking about getting into the goals. Why do you have a goal? What is your goal? What are you doing? So, you know, what is the goal here?
1:15 The goal is to have an hour to support the natural farming community. Anyone around the world, ask a question. Now is your time. Pure KNF, even if you're a member, now is your time to ask questions about KNF. now this time this meeting right here it's your time and i'm here to give you some of my time to be a surrogate for master cho you know um he's out there he's doing his thing what he does um but here to like translate that stuff to be out there to do it what's up good sound in the house some good folks so that is what this time is um is there any other goal usually it would be
1:57 to get folks to come to my class but I am no longer doing classes I mean I may I actually am someone across the road asked me to do a class for them specifically like a private thing where I would come down and teach them and get their farm to be amazing and so I'm doing it that way versus just advertising classes and having people try to come here I'm not going to do it If you want it, call me, make it happen, get into it. You really got to want it at this point. Otherwise, I'm not just dangling it out there where you can kind of waltz in when you're ready. It's like, no, you got to want it.
2:31 You got to desire it. You got to make it happen because there's plenty of natural farming and there's ways to get expert things. And I just, you know, this point in my life, you know, if you want it, make it happen. Set that goal. Put that out there. Do those things. Um, so yeah, anyway, so today a bit of higher wisdom getting into that grace inside the strength of simplicity and self-knowledge outside the beauty of acceptance and gentleness. This hexagram encourages you to call cultivate a quality of grace in your relationships and in your general way of being.
3:15 In this way, you gain a power greater than any other to open a way through obstructions in your dealings with others. Good fortune is yours if you concentrate on bringing more grace to your thoughts and actions now. It is in human nature to want to use forceful ways to try to get what we want from others and from life. our egos encourage us to act aggressively to speak boldly to intimidate others to buffalo our way through difficult situations this false power can be momentarily satisfying
4:01 to our ego and temporary victories can be won in this way but genuine power and lasting progress come from a different kind of strength altogether. They come from inner strength, which is characterized by steadfast devotion to the principles of humility, simplicity, equanimity, and acceptance. By gradually letting go of the vain, bullying energy of the ego and accepting the quiet guidance of the higher power, one acquires the substance that makes ongoing good fortune a possibility. This is a time to relinquish self-important maneuvering,
4:51 instead return to stillness, and contemplate the inherent wisdom of the principles of the sage. By practicing quiet strength within and gentle acceptance without, you acquire a grace that dissolves all barriers to progress. Grace. Kind of funny after that intro, talking about that stuff, and then grace, don't bully, don't do things. But in life, you've got to set clear goals. You've got to move toward the same thing. You've got to have grace, acceptance, all those things. So it's always a fine balance. and let God's will be done.
5:37 You know, so if it's in God's will, so mote it be. We will see, right? So loving with aloha and blessings of happiness, my natural farming family. Yes, Mark. Welcome. First question on my FAA. Why does it froth up like overexcited beer when I try to pour it? good question the answer at least my surmization of why it would froth up is because it is full of lactobacillus lactobacillus anytime you have it sitting for a while and you pour it from container to container it just gets activated all that oxygen comes in because it's facultatively
6:24 anaerobic so it's sitting kind of underneath it's doing its thing it's living in sort of anaerobic conditions, so to say. And then when you pour it, you're going to add a bunch of oxygen to the system and you're going to excite it and you're going to have that metabolism kick up. So, you know, I don't think it's a matter of sugar and saturation because even when lactobacillus is fully super saturated, it still kicks up. So it is because the lactobacillus in your fish aminos is so excited, so amazing, so vigorous, so powerful that when you're pouring the fish
7:03 amino acids from container to container, the lacto is like, hey, let's party. Let's wake up. Let's consume this extra oxygen. And that can cause it to froth. So one thing to do would be to chill it a bit, get it a bit cooler before you pour it, which is going to slow down that metabolic activity. The other is that you could try to add a little bit more sugar into it, but I don't think that that's going to matter with fish aminos because usually it's perfectly super saturated anyway. And that's what's, you know, lactobacillus is just, it's a heck of a
7:48 It's the most powerful microbe in the Milky Way. So that is, that's that. That is why your fish aminos bubble over. Lactobacillus, man. It is wild. Good stuff. So next question, Cecily, we got, how do you hatch eggs in KNF chicken keeping? And that is a great question. That's what we'll get into here in a minute. I was going to switch gears going from gears as if life is about driving. I was going to switch gears into going into animal raising. That's the topic for, you know, I was doing my dadge.
8:36 So if you're looking for the madge, knfsupport.com can check out past episodes. Also, you know, subscribe to the channel, check out past videos, click on the channel, go check them out. we did a whole bunch of medag but now I was going to move into actual cases of farming livestock and doing livestock so I think is this livestock um no um oh yeah and since since I just saw this here um it can also um when so to answer the lacto question again a little bit further it can do with the humidity in the air. If it's plenty humid, you're actually pulling moisture into that
9:17 and exciting the lacto even more. So if you dehumidified where you're at doing it, you're probably not going to have as much bubble up. Humidity makes a difference. So if it's raining out and it's wet out, it's going to be more active when you're pouring it for sure. So all those things make a difference. Microbes, tiny things, making things, doing it. But if you have good three-year-old FAA. That is amazing, Mark. That is awesome. I bet you that's some connoisseur stuff. I've been drinking a lot of FAA lately. Man, it's affecting my health in so many ways,
9:54 in beneficial ways. I just feel so much better when I, on the daily, take about a big tablespoon of it, mix it into water, drink it. It's so good. um so we will get into so we'll get into the chicken keeping um that's that's what i want to do we'll start with chickens we'll start with chickens the actual cases of natural farming livestock we'll start with chickens get into it um and we will do how do you hatch eggs in natural farming chicken keeping we will do that um and so let's see we got printer bear coming in from
10:30 Connecticut. Yo, Printer Bear. Yes. Good to see you, man. And also, if you noticed, Pure KNF Foundation. I know last week, I think that time change kind of caught people by surprise, but there is pureknf.org. Let's go check that out here, pureknf.org. And so under, if I sign in here, sign in do that sign in sign in it's gonna go so the website's a little slow it's okay but uh we just had stacy come talk to us and man was that i i really enjoyed that episode i don't know how you felt about it but i felt like that was just like a banger episode um so this is now
11:21 out if you are a member you should be able to click right here and watch the episode and see, let's see, what do we got here? Yeah, Stacey talking to us about health, gut, all those good things. So, man, I felt like that was just, I learned so much. Because I'm always interested, she was talking about the spiritual connection of the soil, the body, the mind, the spirit, the healing, all those things. She helps you with restoring your gut, your own diet, and then also acupuncture and how all this Korean natural farming. She came, took the class here
12:05 and did all this. And this is just like well worth the membership fee to get into it and hear her talk. But not only that, you get every episode. So our November episode, just amazing with Stacy from Texas. So really appreciated that. So hope, hope printer bear, you could catch it. I know we caught you right at the end. You're making some dog food, amazing, good stuff, fresh beef for the, for your pups. And, um, you know, so, um, so your question here, if I have IMO 4T made up, Could I use that for a seed soak or is that a dumb idea? Thanks. That's a great idea.
12:50 So let's jump over to the seed soak real quick here. I'm going to pull this up. I'm going to pull up my book here just as a reference and let's look directly at the seed soak. Let's zoom in here. So the seed formula is this one right here. Let me not zoom in like that. Let me do, let me put this on though so you can see where my mouse is. But so in the seed formula, this seed formula, which is described on the previous page right here, it says used as a seed and transplant soak and lightly watered on the planting area to encourage microbes connect with the fresh plantings,
13:31 the soaking seed and transplanting method for more details. So seed soak here, if you include, So if you notice in my page here where it's talking about the seven prescriptions and the nine core solutions, then none of it, there's no microbes here. There's no microbes. There's, you know, everything other than microbes. But microbes are put into there. Oh, yeah. Stone Mason Watch the Meeting. Awesome. but what you want to do is these seed soaks as you're adding the food cleanser medicine structure fuel and minerals if you also add an IMO4T you're gonna as you as the seed soak the idea is to
14:14 soften the outside of the seed and then those microbes from the IMO4 will populate into there so that as your seed then sprouts and the cotyledons come out they're going to be covered in those microorganisms. So adding IMO4T to your seed formula is a really, really, really good idea. It does its thing. It is amazing. It is well good. It's just not mentioned here because, well, I don't know, because I have the microbes separate from all this, but you could in any place add the IMO4T into this and it is going to be amazing.
14:59 It really helps inoculate from the ground up. And if you're inoculating your cotyledons, then the next leaves growing out, they're all going to be covered with microbes. And then you're not going to get bacterial wilt. You're not going to get seed dampening disease. Hopefully cutworms would stay back, all those things that affect seedlings and the IMO4s. Plus, these solutions are going to be great. So adding that to the seed formula, highly recommended. You're on the right page. Good printer bear. Awesome. So that is that. Yeah.
15:39 Um, so, um, so getting back to the question on the chicken rearing, getting back to that, um, I think one of the better places to start on that is here. Let's see here. Um, let's see where's the best place to start I'm looking at these notes here and just seeing um did I mention the chicken starting here um let's see okay so the basic idea let me let me go here um let's see
16:27 My notes from the chicken notes are so terrible. I should go back and make better notes. But here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Okay. So day zero through three, the pen and the feed. Day three through ten is boiled egg with bamboo. and then oh man these notes are terrible this is the worst well anyway so let me let me go hang on one sec let me just pull up the youtubes here pull this up and go down to um every time it starts with this video i don't know why stop and then go to my channel so if
17:19 you're here you're at my channel let's go down to here scroll down to the basic poultry seminar this one right here we pull this one up pause that let's get rid of the sound let's pull it up so that it's not in theater mode and let us look at this video here for a second. Let's see here. No, so this was building all the equipment, so number four. Let's see, number four, is this the one? Are we going to see? Says the IMOs coming through. It's the brooder box. This is
18:08 looking at brooder boxes. So let's see what's the best way to go through. Do we actually get the chicks in this video? No, I think we're just setting up their house. Okay, so basically on this video here, what we're going to be seeing, so if you go to video number four, I should probably take better notes on this, but we're going to go into the chicken pen and here we are going to be setting up the chicken pen to get ready for the chicks. So before you even get to the chicks, you want to set up a brooder box. So what does that entail? Let's go back a bit here.
18:52 Let's go back a bit. So first thing first is we are making the area flat. Okay. Master Cho was really adamant about this because if it's not flat, these chickens are like age zero to age seven in the first three days. They're really like young kids. And so you don't want to have lumpy things where they could sprain their ankle or make it junk. We are flattening out the area, making it nice and available for them so step one is make your area nice and flat step two is after your area is nice and flat is to go through
19:41 we're getting rid of the grass that was growing in here making it nice you know after you got a nice flat area we're then going to build a brooder box okay so I'll show you the brooder box but that after the area is flat the brooder box will be set down so nice flat area now the brooder box is coming down so right under the brooder box it doesn't really matter but what he's doing is he is measuring to get it the pen is a certain size it is um I think it's 10 meters by 5 meters I don't know we'll go we'll go look at the book
20:21 exactly because I'm trying to remember all this stuff right now and when I measure it in meters it's hard but it's basically he's getting this thing centered because if you get things centered then you'll have good energy and he's also measuring off the back and if you look at this brooder box right now the bottom's missing we're going to put the bottom in but if you notice this thing is hollow this is so you can fill it with rice or rice straw and some insulation because you want to keep the chickens well insulated. They're tiny and this is a hollow thing. You're
20:55 going to fill this with rice hulls or some sort of material, grass clipping, something to like be insulative material, hemp herd, something in there to make it so you got insulating material. These pipes coming out the back are going to be the ventilation stack. So the heat is going to come in here and this will help the humidity leave the system because if it gets humid in here, the chicks will also die. And then this in the front simulates the mother's wings. So when they go into their brooder box, they go under the wing and into their brooder box, and they feel like
21:33 they are being nestled by their mom on top of them. Because we are raising 120 hens at one time in this box. If you were to do layers, you'd have 200 chicks, and you'd have two of these. an extended one. And, uh, we, I don't think we did that in this workshop. So got the area flat, got our brooder box down. What else is he going to do? He's now, now he's going to put the floor in. So see this thing. It wasn't just a box like that. It is actually an angled ramp. Okay. So this angled ramp, their chicks are going to be able
22:11 to go up toward this. And as they get to the back, they're going to be closer to the roof. that's going to be put over this and they will be warmer in the back and cooler in the front. This enables them to go to where they want to be and they manage their heat. This helps them stay very nice and the right temperature. If they're not the right temperature and they don't incubate well, you get all kinds of problems. So this is the key for them is to, he's putting a little bit of extra dirt there for them so they have a nice landing ramp to come up and be nice in here
22:51 and he's making it nice and smooth for them and notice that's an angled ramp it's at I don't know what degree it is we can measure out we'll look at the brooder box dimensions here and we will see what it actually is but that is the key so that's being set up while that's being set up let's look at the theory book here and let's find the brooder dimensions here. So here's the rearing chick section. Here's a picture of the brooder box. This one is an extra wide. You see how this one's two? This is for the meat birds. You're going to have extra big because there's going
23:35 be 200 chicks in here but in the case of the other chickens this is your brooder box right here okay so if you look at this this is the meat bird one it's bigger but you see this angle coming up here this angle this is that so the brooder box dimensions are 35.4 inches by 35.4 inches okay so you're gonna make a square I guess and you can basically make it three feet by three feet 36 inches by 36 inches three foot by three foot I'm sure this came from centimeters which is why it's in like weird 0.4 things but basically a three foot by three foot square if you were to do
24:24 laying hens and then this pipe coming out the back you saw that in action it's coming right up to where the back is and then the walls are filled with that insulative material and then the roof is also put insulative material on top and you have the chicks in there so the dimensions for this three by three square okay so let's go back to the video here and let's see so we'll play this a bit more and see. I gotta get this like that. Okay, so what are we gonna do next? We're now gonna lay a mat. This is a little rice straw mat. You could also use those straw mats that
25:10 tourists use to go out there, but this gives them grip. So they're not just right against that wood, they actually are able to crawl up and down this mat that's put over that wood. so what angle would that be that would be like a I wonder what height this thing is but anyway I think it's I think it's about a foot tall I don't know we can maybe find the dimensions for that but basically you see how this mat is put out there that helps them climb up and down so let's go here and is there a height to this let me see I think there is a height somewhere. I don't know. Does it say the height?
25:54 Maybe it doesn't say the height, but it's about a foot, I would say. I don't know. I think it's about a 3 to 1 rise here. It doesn't say exactly, but, you know, nice easy slope. It looks like we've got a 3 to 1 rise. That way they can go up into there and be happy. so let's go back here and let me minimize this i can see that hang on one sec minimize minimize minimize bing okay so here we go so um so we'll watch the video a bit more see what we're doing now he's putting out the walls okay so what you want to do is you do not
26:40 want your chickens just to go into this entire area. If the baby chicks could go in this entire area, what would happen is you would get big chicks and small chicks. The ones that are strong would go out unrestrained and they would go all out into this area and they would get really fit and your small chicks would just stay around here and not get fit. So what you're doing is you are containing them into an area that is small on purpose. Okay. So what he's going to do is he's going to build a little pen out for them out of their brooder box. So we'll skip ahead a little
27:18 bit and see this is close up view of what we got here. Let me go back just a hair here and see this. So here you can see the pipes coming out the back. These are actually coming through these pipes. it's a tee going through. You see that? It's a tee with a little extension coming into their home, and that comes in. Notice that the ventilation comes in, so this is the hot air, the moist air that rises up, and it comes up like a chimney, and we will put an extension pipe on this, and the bottom lets the water drip out. Okay, so you can see here, this is the chick brooder box
27:56 while they're putting the edges on. And then we'll skip ahead a little bit here. So then he's putting this wall, right? So this could be bigger, but he's making them intentionally have just this small yard. They have the brooder box here and this little tiny yard that's going to stop them. So for the first three days, three to five days, they only have this area to go in. it's very tiny they can basically run out go in their small yard or go into their house and this is 120 hens that are going to be in here and but they all end up in this small area you
28:36 don't just let them free range because it's like letting your baby go out in your yard it's like no you put it in a little playpen right you put it in a bassinet you put it in an area that's contain. Same for your baby chicks. You give them a small area to be contained in. So he's building this. And the idea is that this is modular, right? You see the way he's designed this with these walls and then these like two by twos on here. It's so you can screw them together and make them modular. So he's putting in the second one, even he's making the second part. And this makes it real
29:10 easy to just throw a screw into it, be able to modularly build these things. He's putting the next one in now, but, and then extending it out even further, right? So this enables him to pull when they, when they get big enough and they're running around and you're like, okay, they're, they're now in too small of an area. Then you'll pull this out and they'll get the next three foot section to go into, right? These are three foot sections and they will be able to go into the next spot. So he's going to build that out. Then let's go back just a hair. He's going to put in
29:44 the water for them. Okay. So notice how this is like a, what inch and a half pipe, maybe very small pipe. You want to size the pipe, the water to the size of the chicken. So notice these holes, those also have a specific dimension here. And it is right here where the pipe is, I guess, one inch PVC, one eighth. No, it says one and one eighth. I don't know. I would use inch and a half if it was me. And then he drills out 96, I don't know, some dimension. Oh gosh, no, why? Oh, I didn't want to do that. Why did I do that? I hit spacebar, I think. Let's go back to these
30:32 dimensions here. Where were we? Okay, there we were. Sorry, I zoomed in on this. But the baby chicks get for the first 30 days, they get this small pipe. Then the medium chicks get a little bigger pipe. Then the large chickens get a bigger pipe. So this is like a four inch PVC. This is a two inch PVC. This is like an inch and a half PVC. So if you really care about your chickens, you will go through all these stages and size it to them just like you would a baby. You don't just give a baby like, you know, adult size things. You give them baby forks, baby spoons, you know,
31:13 baby cups, same with the chickens. These are your, you know, you're going to put that care and attention in. So they get this, like, I guess it's a, you know, and you eat in this, the whole size even changes, right? This is like a four inch hole here, a diameter hole. this is a 2.75 inch you know it's a two and three quarter uh two inch here but sizing them up i don't know the exact um what would convert over to american size but um but that's the water notice also it has this shape it is a 90 to 90s onto it so it has its own stability and these 90s at the
31:58 end of this are so you can put water bottles into it so it's auto feeding for them. So we'll see how that goes. Okay. So their water goes in. It fits right on the edge. That's about a three foot run there. Fits in nice. They will be in this area. They'll come out. They will drink water and then they'll run back in for heat. They'll come out, they'll drink water. They'll run back in for heat. Okay. So this is what you want to give your chickens for the first three days right here. if you do this man you're going to be a pro chicken you're going to have the best chicken
32:32 so now looks like the roof is coming over this is the roof of their of their pen there is insulation on top of that rice holes so they are putting the insulation on the top of the chicken pen then they are going to put the extensions on the chimneys these are the moisture extenders right so that pipe that's going in there as it's a chimney now the hot air will rise the chimney will draw them the hot air up and away from them and keep the moisture correct for them so this is our little brooder here doing our thing um and he's going to measure what does he
33:13 oh he's just measuring to see the height of that i don't know if you can see maybe pause that put on an HD mode. See what you can see. Are we in the highest quality? Set our quality to be, yeah, it's 720p. That's all you get. And we're already at that. So, so these, you make the height the proper links, you know, you can just look at this eyeball it kind of thing, see what you're at, adjust it as necessary for what you need. I'm sure also you could listen to this and Dr. Park would tell you what it is, but I'm just narrating over it. We're not going to listen to Dr. Park
33:45 today, but you can go back and listen to these same videos. They're on my channel. Oh my gosh. Been there forever. This thing has 2000 views. Only 2000 people out there know how to do this. And who knows if they even watch the whole thing. This is a three at 3.2 hour video, 3.1 more than that, but yeah. So three hours, 20 minute video. Um, and then he's putting this rag in the bottom. Notice that he doesn't, you know, the rag is to keep a little bit of moisture. So It'll drip through that rag, but not stay all the way in there. So he is putting rags into the bottom.
34:21 And then over the area, he's putting this perforated nice thing so the chickens can't jump out, which they're not going to jump out your first couple of days. You probably don't need this right here, but you will need it as they start to get bigger. You will need this, right? So he's going to put these over the top just as a way to make it nice. What's up, Nathan? Good to see you, Bridget. Going over animals, bro. Starting with chickens. I know I said I was going to do animal feed, but we're just going to go through the animals today, watch this a bit, see what we're doing.
34:56 So they're talking to each other. There's more info than I'm telling you right now, but I'm just giving you the highlights, the overview. He's going to build this other thing, extend it out. We'll see. Nice Makita drill there. Yep. Need a sponsorship. They're talking about this. I'm sure there's more narration going for the theory, the reasons for this, but basic ideas to keep them nice in there. I was checking if my iPad's still running. It is. Um, they're doing this, you know, look at that. It's nicely built with 45s. Keep everything. Look how well that's built.
35:26 Hey Lee, I sent the book to you, bro. It costs 50 bucks to send. Oh, the shipping was incredible, but it's on your, it's on the way. It is going to the UK, bro. Great Britain, actually. Great Britain is where I said, hopefully that was the right thing. I don't know. I just put it on. an 82 foot riser. I don't know if that's right. Maybe, maybe 82 inches. I don't know. If you were measuring L feet, maybe it's 82 L feet. I'm sure there's more to this. You could, you could actually watch and see Master Cho explaining it. I'm just giving the overview
36:01 because heck, heckin' man, you know, we could spend hours at this and I'm sure there's so, so much info. That's how I know all this stuff, man. I was there filming it, right? They're talking about it. They're talking about it. What are they doing? They're, they're making the, the nice landing pad, the nice things coming up two foot riser. Yeah. Okay. Maybe the eight was just a, um, a typo there. Yeah. Two foot riser. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah. What's up, bro. It's live doing chickens. So anyway, you could see this, it's going through this guy's translating into
36:33 Chinese, man. That was fun. Oh, Hey, Hey. Oh, cool. Cool. Well, there we go. There we go. we're even even steven man thank you thank you it's good man thank you thank you cool we are good yeah happy to send that out to you get get good information going to you hopefully i got the right address and stuff i just copied and pasted what you sent man i don't know went to the post office i'm like never shipped stuff international and the lady was like all right my sweet postmaster she's so awesome hey cool cool hey thanks thanks woo super chats woo thank you guys thank you woo
37:05 makes it nice. Um, so here we go and look, he extended it. So there's one, two, three, four extensions to this. Okay. So there are four extensions coming out of the, um, walls and he's going to put these other ones in there and make it all nice. So there are, what is that? 12 feet coming out. So, um, this whole thing plus the original. So you got, what is that? Um, 15 feet total here coming through. He's going to do those things, put them in. I'm sure there's more explanations happening here, but we're just going to skip through because ain't nobody got time for
37:43 that. Well, unless you're like, if you want to listen in Chinese, listen to this. This guy's going to translate it to Chinese for you. Taiwanese, Chinese. I think they all speak Chinese. These guys from Taiwan. Oh man, this was so fun. This was such a good international collaboration. We've got Bolo San in the back here. What's up, Steven? Okay. So these are the feeders. Okay. So I'll pause it right here a little bit. And we're now about to put the feeders in. Okay. So where are the feeders going to fit in here? They ain't the first three days. They're
38:12 not going to put a feeder in the first thing because this is the first three days and they're just going to eat rice for the first three days. So these feeders do not even fit in here. Okay. That's why they don't even fit. Look how nice and big those are. So let's go over and let's look at the dimensions of the feeders. Okay. So here you go. These are the dimensions of the feeders for the babies. And this one here, look at this little baby. Okay. This is before day 30. You use this size feeder. Okay. And it is, um, one inch on the front and 2.3 inches on the back. And it is 35
38:50 inches long. So why is it one inch and 2.3 inches is because in the, in the beginning, you face it this way so the baby this this side is against the wall the baby chicks come up they only have one inch to go over to get their food and then when they get this size they're medium sized birds after 30 days you flip this thing around and now they the one inch side is against the wall and the 2.3 inch side is against the their side they're on so they have to reach over this more and you're sizing it just like you're sizing bowls and different things for them to see
39:26 and go after, you flip this around for them. Okay. So by building one thing this way, you don't have to build multiple feeders. You just build one feeder for the baby to intermediate stage. Okay. Then this feeder over here is going to be the adult size feeder. And you can notice that this thing has a way where it's a V shape comes in and they will scratch under this. And then there's a roller bar so they don't stand on top and poop. And your feeder gets into a bigger one, which I actually have a video on, but here's the dimensions right here for the big feeder.
40:00 It is, you know, your medium feeder is 1.2 inches. Your large feeder, so there's these intermediate feeders for them. Your large is 1.7 inches right here, the lip. The 5.9 inches here, roughly uh what's that you know five and three quarters here um and then seven inches here so you can look at those dimensions i'll just pause right there you can take a screenshot pause it i also have a video on how to do this but you can make a medium and a large one and an intermediate and a tiny one and all these feeders you do all that right man you're gonna have
40:39 amazing chickens. This is all sized for the right way for them. So those are the feeders that we're bringing in. And notice these things don't fit in there because they're not going to eat in the first three days. So he automatically goes and puts these into the next one. And notice how they fit in there just super nice, right? It's all designed to fit with a little bit of banging. bang bang bang make it fit it'll fit are they gonna unscrew it and make it perfect no they're gonna just slide things over but it'll all fit in there okay so that's what they're doing they're
41:19 putting the feeder in let's uh let's skip ahead a little bit i guess that one didn't fit they have to you know get out the get out anyway it'll fit once they remove this wall because they can't get in there anyway master toe talking about it the water everything they got another water to put in there it looks like let's see what they're going to do here dr park talking about it these guys amazing putting the next feeder in does it going to fit no but they're going to remove these walls so don't worry about it don't worry about it we'll see how it goes okay so here here here trying
41:52 trying to show but you know and then they're talking about how the water moves out and the water always stays as far away from them as possible the idea is you want them to run out to the water, drink water, and then run back to where the broody spot is here. So you want your chickens to run back and forth, back and forth. If you just have them come out and the water's right there, then they don't run around, right? And you want longevity, long-lasting chickens, so you need them to exercise. This is their play yard. They need to run out, run back, run out, run back. Now
42:27 he's going to take these water bottles, and this is how you make it an auto feeder, right? So you fill this up with your water solution. Then you put your water bottles into the top of that 90 there. I don't know if you can see it. I'm not exactly filming it, but this then fills water and these are auto waterers. So you don't always have to be replenishing that. You just put a bottle in there and there you go. That bottle sits right into that 90 and feeds it. And then this fits right under this cover. And so you have the chickens be able to have their auto waterers. There is a water
42:58 formula for the babies. We'll get into that. And then you can see here, this is more what the larger, once they've graduated from all this, this is what their pen will look like, right? This is his wife going and picking up eggs, doing good things. It's the laying hand situation. And notice how calm and nice and high density, but calm, nice, good mannered, well-mannered chickens are here. They're just calm. They're nice. They have all the population they need, everything. This is the most advanced way to raise chickens on earth. I have never seen a
43:33 better way to do it than Master Cho and his system. So I'll just, you know, vouch for that for my own thing. But this is the way so that this basically, once these walls come out, they go to the next, they go to the next, they go to the next. They're graduating every, I think, five to 10 days. I don't know. We'll look at the exact thing. You know, you can listen to Dr. Park. He'll tell you about it. Basically, what I do is I look at it and I see when they look overpopulated and then I will move them into the next section.
44:01 And these three foot sections, they can come out and you just don't want them to get overcrowded and be all crazy in there. But these walls move, they're removable. You set it all up at once. And this is what it would look like right there. This is what it would look like when you are feeding the bigger birds. You put these two sides together and then they have to eat over this wall here. So you graduate them up and up and up. to do it. They have pigs here at this farm as well. Small scale just for personal eating.
44:35 They're not a big pig breeder, but they are a chicken egg farm. This is also, this farm here is Mr. Lee's farm, and it is the largest quail breeding, egg breeding thing in Korea. So notice they're starting to put, once you get the big chickens, you'll put the feeder in the middle and they will start to eat on either side of this. So as the chickens are graduating out, they're going to go for the small feeder, small feeder. Now they're starting to be out here in this. They're going to start eating off the big feeder, okay? The big feeder for them to graduate.
45:09 This is representing days of life for them. You can make small feeders by putting it on one side or the other, okay? So they're going to go over here and start to eat the big feeders. um so that is you know they have their way to come out eat you want to make them you want to align it so they don't trip over this notice the feeders are not this way they're this way right they are um what is it perpendicular to the thing so that that way they don't trip over things you don't want to put a bunch of hurdles for them to jump over these are like baby chickens they're
45:47 align the right way. So here you go. We'll skip through, skip through. See, they're talking about that a whole bunch. This is apparently a bunch of info on that you can get to. We'll just skip forward. But you get the idea. You can look and see and be like, okay, I get the idea. Also here, I'm just scanning at the roof. The roof has this extra shade on there. Keep it nice. And it's a couple centimeters away. There's a whole formula for that you could look at. But also the split roof so that ventilation comes in through the side, rises up through the top, does all that.
46:26 We'll see. Well, this is before 2020. This guy's wearing a mask. That's wild. Foretelling. So apparently a bunch of info on that, a bunch of things to learn. You can get more of that. We're just going to skip ahead here to see what else we're going to see. Okay, let's look. So he's talking about that, the different feeders, the different things, the water, how it all fits in, what they do, where it goes. You put it against the edge to start like that, like that. So they'll come out, they'll eat food. I'll have to learn about that,
47:06 do their thing. You kind of want to graduate them up stepwise, just like what you would with kids. And he's talking about how they come out, do their thing. You can watch it for the full details. We'll just go over this this way. I should take notes, go back, watch all this again, have a great notebook. Oh, Master Cho sitting down. Yeah, buddy. Um, I like that. Just a jacket and an undershirt. It's a nice style. go for that wear a jacket when I do this stuff okay keep going keep going keep going okay okay okay obviously there's a lot of information that I'm skipping over right
47:46 I need to skip faster we'll go here okay so so this one here let's go back just a hair here okay so this one here this is the chicken layer idea this is how you do layer chickens you keep them nice confined like this. However, we are going to switch over to doing, you know, this whole setup. You'd see it. This is pretty obvious how this thing happens, what happens, how they do it. We are going to switch over to a situation if you had, oh, and I think he's explaining how this works, the water here, those things, but we are going to switch over now. This is what it would
48:28 look like if you were doing meat birds. Okay. This is the meat bird situation. Notice how the walls come out and they go out and then over. So let's look at the book here and let's see the difference where, let's see here. So this here, and this, this also tells you the days, right? Day two, day five, day six, day 11, day 15, then day 30, they graduate out to this whole thing. so this is the feeder the water moving out you see how the feeder um the feeder is not actually even there for day two it's just food right out there i'll show you that but they come out to
49:09 these then eventually to these then eventually then eventually they come they graduate all the way up it's that graduation and the diameter of the water pipe gets bigger small then it gets bigger then it gets huge for them okay so if you can follow that you'll see it how it all works then after day 30 they've graduated out to their entire pen right but you've kept them confined into here then to here then to here then to here then to here and then to here and by that time they've they're running back and forth they're strong chickens they're doing well and then you
49:43 let them out into the whole pen so it is a 30-day startup for chickens to make sure they stay really well however if you are going to do a broiler it says here this is 350 to 400 birds I think it's more like 200 but maybe you could do 400 i don't know but anyway notice that on day day two day four day seven they actually get the walls come out like this at this angle then day 10 it's because you have such a higher volume of birds day 15 they're coming out here day 20 they got their basically their whole thing and that's because for the meat birds your turnover is so much quicker
50:22 and you're feeding them so much more food. Notice they have, you know, double the volume, I guess, maybe not, whatever, double the volume of food that they get here coming out. So this is your chickens here for the brooder box, all those coming out into this whole area here. So you want your chickens to get fat quick. And this is, um, and this, this, this version right here is what your thing will go. It'll go from this for the layers. It'll go from this here into this. So once they graduate their feeders, day 30, the feeders come out here. And then
51:06 after, so this is after day 30, you'd go down to this. You'd put their perch over their box. You put their perch up there so that they'll nest in here to start. But then once more than I think two thirds of your chickens or a third of your chickens starts perching, then you remove this bottom box and you just leave them on their perch. You put their nesting box in there and you align their feeders this direction. And again, their water is always on the opposite side of where they're perching or where they're brooding. And the feeders are always lined up this way so they
51:40 can run through here without problems. If you put them sideways, they will trip and you will cause problems for them. So, and you put their nesting box in there so they get familiar with that. And it says, oh, right here, it says when more than a third of the birds take perches 55 to 60 days, remove the secondary brooder box. So after a third of them start going up on the perch, then you take this box out of there. And it takes them about 55 to 60 days to use this perch. Okay. So it says it right there. I should have read that, but that's how it works. That is what
52:14 is the difference between the brooder, you know, when you're doing broilers versus you're doing layers. They have much more space. There's much more birds, higher density. So that is what is being shown here. And then notice he's taking all this rice seed. So this is just rice. This is brown rice, not white rice, brown rice. And he is putting all that right in front of their door. So we are going to get a ton of chicks. I don't think they came this day. I think they came the next day, but he is making a mountain of rice and that's what they're going to eat. The first three
52:47 days is just rice. Okay. Nothing, just water and rice. First three days, water and rice. And we'll go through this. Like this is just day one of doing this. We got to go through their feeding, the whole cycle. But now you've seen how their houses are set up. This is basically a double what we saw before the layer box and putting the rice right on the ramp. So they're going to come out of this ramp they're going to be on a pile of rice right there you just set it up nice they come out they have that rice right there master chow making it all nice spread out for them so they
53:21 will come out of their house and have brown rice to eat right there coming out doing their thing so this is the setup for broiler chickens whereas the one before was the layer chickens so notice the door, it gets wider because you got so many more chickens and you want them to feel comfortable and not be in this whole deal. They're water. You can actually put in two of them and make it better for them. Um, and all that. So we'll skip ahead a little bit. He's talking about, he's talking about the nice theory, the whole practice of this, what they're doing. He's even, he, even
54:04 him as a master. He's learning more. Mr. Lee there learning about this. What are we talking about? But this, you know, notice and they put down just nice, small, chopped up, um, uh, rice holes for them. Short grass, lawn clippings type of thing for them on the floor. Uh, but again, you want to make sure that's nice and smooth. Let's see what else we got. Oh, he's talking about the water. I don't know. Maybe he's talking about the water a little bit. They've probably got some pro tips here that I'm just going to skip over. You've got to watch the whole thing if you really want to be an expert.
54:42 Let's see. What else are they talking about? Stuff, stuff, things, things. Let's see. Can we skip ahead here? Is there going to be anything? What are we doing? We're just learning about that. Broilers. got the rice in there now it looks like we're leaving what are we going to do we're going to go someplace else I bet you Joe is going to measure all this stuff no no no it's not rice it's it's just rice for the first three days just rice for the first three days we'll get into the feeding I'm kind of going over the pen we're just going through this video because we asked about it
55:20 so today we're going to do the pen next week we'll get into how they're going to feed them because we'll go through we actually get baby chicks during this workshop so the bamboo is not the first three days. It's just rice first three days. And I'll go through the whole feed formula, man. We're going to go through this in like excruciating detail of watching the video while we go through it. And I'll narrate, but he's right here. He's just showing like you do this right. And, uh, you can lift up the egg. I think he popped it and then he's just going to eat it raw.
55:48 Man, it's, it's wild eating the raw egg, but he just sucked down that raw egg. Um, and he was showing how you can lift up the egg with the chopsticks. I think I, I don't know why I skipped that part. Maybe I didn't, maybe I wasn't filming right then, but here he's going to crack the egg and then they will be able to lift the egg up with chopsticks. Okay. So it's just showing how like, look, he's, he's able to lift up a raw egg with chopsticks and pick it up, you know, and it's not breaking. And this is the whole point of this chicken thing
56:22 is you get strong yolks like this. This is the nutrition. You get the three layers of differentiation and you're able to pick up the yolk with chopsticks. Anybody who has a commercial egg, try and do that. You will find it'll just detonate. Oh, Bolasan going for the raw egg. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's good, bro. Yeah, Bolasan. Yeah, you. So going through doing this, you know, learning why to do it, right? Because you get, you know, stronger eggs, better for you, better for everything, more nutrition, all those things. That's the whole reason to go through this whole
56:59 process. There's so much more to go through and learn, you know, Master Cho just sitting around. This was one of the world's best workshops I've ever been to. Dr. Bark hitting some Hite water there. But he just sat with us and talked and like, let us know and all these things, man. So, and I recorded almost all of it I think so it's well worth your time check this out do the things see it if you're really interested you want to get into natural farming deep be one of the you know people there's only 2,000 people out there that watch this it's absolutely sad it's
57:29 tragic because this is like the answer to most woes that we have with livestock and everything and I filmed almost all of it just raw filming I can't believe I did this and released it for free but it's out there so hopefully you enjoyed today's episode it was on the brooder box hopefully i'm starting to answer cecily's questions on what do you do with the chickens at least that's how you make their house we will go into their diet and everything as we go because we went through it all with master cho himself and mrs lee and mr lee and dr park and all these legends
58:03 of natural farming plus um you know mikey here sitting here he's doing chickens on oahu he brought this to Hawaii, did that with, you know, they're doing all their things. So here we can, you know, there's so much more to it, obviously, right? You see everybody talking, translating, doing, taking notes. Apparently I didn't take much notes because I was just videoing so much and I figured I'd watch it later, take notes, but I didn't. Is that greenhouse structure covered in wire fence no the greenhouse structure is just this this up here is shade cloth it's 60
58:40 shade cloth to let the light through and it's also a certain amount of centimeters away from this yeah what's up thomas and the there's webbing over the top so it doesn't blow away but there's no wire netting this is this is shade cloth it's 60 shade cloth um so you can kind of see the greenhouse structure, everything. It has a breathable roof. So they're all, you know, air comes in through the side. They can roll up and down these sides. And then the air goes out the top. And this whole thing in here, you see all this material later, when we get to the pig
59:12 seminar, you will see this entire thing was built out to a classroom. They literally built this whole thing for us. And then 2020 screwed them over. And I think they lost this farm. And it was just so tragic what the people in Hawaii did to derail natural farming. Egos got in the way and all that. It was just tragic. But they built this whole learning center for this and combination of 2020 plus people with unchecked egos derailed this whole thing. And, you know, anyway, but it was amazing. So this whole thing is actually built out into a classroom later on that you'll see. So
59:41 this, this chicken workshop, we were just, man, it was bare bones. We were just out there in the greenhouse doing the thing and so much good love. This was like one of the most tight family things. I, you know, once in a lifetime, apparently type of thing that I'm happy. I was there recorded the whole thing, able to share it with you, explain it, go through and share because there's so much of this to be gone through. And now we can go through the office hours through all of this. So happy you're tuning in, happy you're checking it out. We are going to go deep into animals,
1:00:14 do all these things. Yeah, YouTube University. Yeah, this intro is great for me personally. Yeah, I'm just going to go through the videos. So we're going to go through, we'll start with the chicken seminar. We'll go through the chicken seminar deep. Apparently I didn't take much notes on it. So we'll just go through that to start. We'll just watch the videos in real time. I'll skip through to the relevant parts. I mean, obviously I skipped through the very beginning, the theory, and I just went right into the practical, but we can go back to the theory and learn from all that too.
1:00:49 But, um, you know, nothing like sitting around with master Cho in a circle, the tight family merging with the Taiwanese folks here, the Chinese, the Hawaiians, um, the Americans, you know, bring in all that. That's a global thing. I'm so happy that master Cho was there. I'm so lucky and blessed that I was there with such wonderful folks. And I'm happy you're here today to be here to learn, you know, and I'm keeping it alive, man, keeping it alive, doing my best, man, to share because only 2000 people tuned into this. And this was seven years ago.
1:01:23 There's only over seven years. There's only been 2000 people tuned into this. I don't know why. Maybe it's hard to find. Maybe it's bad descriptions. Maybe it's just because I didn't even bother to do any editing. But I figure you want to see it live. You want to be there. You want to be sitting there, right? So, you know, like, share, subscribe, do the things. We will start again next Sunday. Get into this animal time, baby. It's, uh, we're doing it. This is Master Cho's Master Forte. So thanks for tuning in, Pure KNF Foundation. Join, be a member, be part of it,
1:01:55 help the office hours continue. Um, also thanks for super chats. Thanks, uh, you know, Stone Mason, lee everybody doing these things we're gonna go deep into animals let's do it um thanks i'm gonna get out of here before i keep just saying thanks so um enjoy your day enjoy your week long live the natural farmer love you aloha bye ah i just went to that one i was gonna be like out of here let's go to this and then let's go bye okay yeah cheers love you aloha