Fish Amino Acid vs Hydrolysate, IMO Heat, Seed Soak Storage

0:30 Well, good morning and happy Sunday to everyone. Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving this past week. I definitely did. Good to spend some time with family and eat some delicious food and all that stuff. And which is kind of funny because today, today's I Ching is E, the corners of the mouth providing nourishment. So give proper nourishment to yourself and others. The hexagram E or the image of this hexagram is that of an open mouth.

1:18 It comes to remind us that nourishment of our bodies and spirits is important and merits our conscientious attention. The I Ching teaches us that if we wish to gauge someone's character, we should notice what he nourishes in himself and in others. Those who cultivate inferior behaviors and relationships are inferior people. Those who cultivate superior qualities in themselves and others are superior people. This is a test that we should apply to ourselves as well as to others. What you put in your body is obviously important because it determines your fundamental physical well-being.

2:03 It is wise to be moderate and thoughtful about the food you eat. What you put in your mind is even more significant. and regulating it is a more subtle art. This hexagram gives us a three-part advice on that subject. The first counsel is that we should not feed our minds on desire. When we forgo our equanimity and begin to desire something or someone, a host of inferior influences comes into play. We become ambitious about obtaining the object of our desires. We become fearful that we will not get them. If we do achieve it, our ego is gratified and strengthened,

2:51 and soon it issues another demand for us to meet. A self-reinforcing cycle of negativity is thus created. Therefore, it is wise to hold yourself free from desire. The second counsel is that we begin and continue to maintain a regular practice of meditation. Sitting quietly with your eyes closed, even for as little as 10 to 15 minutes a day, begins to clear the waste out of our hearts and minds, making room for the nourishment of peace and wisdom to enter in. To sit in meditation is to tune your ear to the voice of the sage,

3:32 and it is the most powerful way of gaining his assistance. The final counsel is that we observe tranquility in speech, thoughts, and actions by cultivating calm and equanimity in all that you say, think and do you nourish your superior self and that of those around you one who follows these three counsels now will meet with good fortune so again that's uh you know speaking of this nourishment nourishing each other nourishing these things um i just want to take a moment to recognize, and not that there's not multiple, multiple, multiple ways to nourish, but I

4:21 did want to take a moment to acknowledge the folks that helped to nourish this show. And me, you know, making time here today, I'm actually filming again, doing some more of the lactic acid bacteria, the protectors, which last week when we filmed it, it turned to yogurt instead of cheese, which is kind of an interesting idea. But here on the screen, I got some donations last week from the Super Chat. I know GoPro and one other person definitely contributed to this, but I couldn't go back to the Super Chat to go find and screenshot your

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7:04 you guys and all everyone showing up to do natural farming. So, um, so let's, um, I'm going to start off with some live questions here. Um, just because Shaman King, I think got into the, uh, got into the live stream early. Cause I, I logged in this morning about eight 30, just to kind of get the live stream going. And there were already questions here for me. So, So that's great. I'm glad there's so much interest. And so Shaman King was asking here, is FAA the equivalent of fish hydrolysate? So this is a great, great question.

7:48 And it comes up periodically of, you know, what is the difference between fish amino acid, which I call KNF fuel because it really helps to fuel that initial growth. It helps to fuel the, um, you know, leaf growth. It's like throwing gasoline on a fire. It just flares up and you just get this amazing growth, but there's a lot of products on the market, um, marketed it as, um, you know, fish hydrolysate, these other things. And oftentimes what happens, like let me give you the Korean natural farming way of making FAA, the fish amino

8:29 acid, the can of fuel. You take raw fish, you know, fish waste, preferably the heads actually, and preferably deep predator open ocean fish. But you can make this from, you know, I've made it from pigs. I've made it from mongoose. I've made it from other animals. Um, so you can, you're just breaking down the aminos. So you can do it from any animal, um, with their meaty parts, but the fish have these certain oils and these certain, um, really things you want in there. And the heads are the best part to use. Um, and I've realized recently that I put in the guts and the blood,

9:10 you know, the extra stuff that was in the bucket. And sometimes those batches get a little too liquidy and they don't turn out as well so really i try to focus now when i go to my um my fish dealer um i ask him hey can i get the um the heads and he'll hook me up with a whole bucket of heads and i actually really help him out because i bury about like six 30 gallon buckets of fish a day a week into our land here to just revitalize it so anyway long long answer getting getting way off here but oh what's up god thanks for throwing the five bucks grow pro appreciate it um but let

9:50 me let me get to the answer of this question is that in korean natural farming you're taking the fish waste and the sugar and you're putting those in a bucket and what happens is the fish or excuse me the sugar starts to dry out that fish starts to pull out the um the the liquid the moisture just like super saturation in natural farming then what starts to happen is lactic acid bacteria take over the fermentation process and so the lacto lactic acid is what eats up all the smell it eats up any of the disease and it also helps to incite the um the fish so it doesn't continue

10:34 to rot so it it like like just like excuse me excuse me um just like when you're doing silage like taking grains and things and putting them in silos and cutting off the air the lacto lactic acid bacteria helps to preserve it same same thing here what you're doing is the the lactic acid ties up these fish waste this sugar and helps that to break down and as those aminos are breaking down it creates acid which then breaks the muscle apart and helps those aminos become very simple so the longer you let the fish amino acid sit the more you're going to break those aminos apart

11:16 so that's that's the korean natural farming way the longer you let it go the sweeter it is I taste that stuff, you know, I'll eat it batches that are four or five years old set. I have some batches that are seven years old. Actually, those are almost drying up because we just poured a bunch off, but they're delicious. It is so, you know, it's preserved with sugar and lactobacillus. I've had a friend take that material to a lab and ask them, Hey, will you analyze this? And it turns out that it's like cleaner than most people's kitchens you know they like that's that's how

11:52 clean it is now juxtapose that to my neighbor just up the way who does a fish hydrolysis business he calls it pokey for your plants and i'll love out to to um keith and his his family like like love love them as people but what they're doing is they're taking all the same fish waste when i don't pick it up from my friend, um, he takes the fish waste from, from, you know, that's that same six 30 gallon trash cans of fish and he runs it through a grinder. So it's this big tank that takes it and runs it through this small grinder. And these, these wheels grind the fish, but as

12:33 they're grinding the fish, what happens is heat rises. So just the process of grinding, he's not adding like any flame or anything to it. It's just the process of grinding it, but it cooks the fish. So, and when you cook the fish, you've then denatured the proteins. So same, same like, um, you know, you take an egg and you crack it and it, and it scrambles the proteins as it cooks and it turns white and, you know, like from clear to white. And, um, that, that is a completely different protein. And so to take that and then spray it back to the plant, when you've added heat,

13:15 you've denatured the proteins. So when you're getting fish hydrolysate from the market, from the store, you're not sure how this process happened. And if they're heating it, they're denaturing these amino acids. So then when you apply it back to your plant, the plant is like, what, what are these, what are these proteins? What are they? They're all scrambled. They're not in that same fish amino acid simplifying, getting simpler, simpler. Amino acids are the building blocks of life. And as those things start to break down via

13:45 fermentation, they get easier and easier to absorb and use. However, you cook them and now they're completely different. That same breakdown process, the same smoother process, that same you know fresh nature ways is being broken apart the other thing that most fish amino acids or fish hydrolysates excuse me do is they'll fractionate it meaning that they'll take the really valuable oils and fats that have risen in this and they'll suck those off and then they'll just sell you the the stuff that was on the bottom that was ground up that was this fish

14:21 you know, hydrolysate. And so they're taking a portion of your product that if you're able to make your own can of fuel on your, on your property, you know, in your, you get to make it in your buckets, you get those fats, those oils, these other compounds that are in these fishes that are super valuable. Um, you know, the, the idea of fats and oils can't be overstated of how important those are to biological processes and how much your plants need these things. So there's a big difference between fish hydrolysate and fish aminos, and it all depends on the process and how it's done.

15:02 And I can't vouch for any specific supplier or anything who's marketing fish hydrolysate, but I can just tell you conceptually from that to know there's a difference between how it's made, what is the end result, and how are you getting things. It's not just about, okay, I got fish and I ground it up. It's just like saying, you know, there's nitrogen in the air. Why can't our plants use it? Well, it has to go through a fermentation microbe process to have nitrogen fixing bacteria, pull it out of the air and make it available. Same. Elements are not just

15:36 elements. They're not just bioavailable. It really has to do with the process of how these things happen to get them to go where you want them to be. So anyway, long, long answer to that question, but I love it. It's one of those things I wanted to talk about. So thanks for asking Shaman King. And he has another question here. What does the moon cycle have any effect in the IMO making process? And I believe it does. I would say, you know, some of the best times to make IMOs are during and after the full moon. And I got asked this question prior to this. I do have a thing.

16:16 If you search my YouTube for a moon calendar, I actually actually wrote an app for the phone for Android and iOS, because to me, the having the moon and understanding it is vital. And here Here's the app for the Android one. It's really simple. Like today, you can see it's just a little bit past the half moon. We're still waning phase. But today's planting advice says it's good for planting anything but potatoes, melons, or bananas. And I go into depth of how the moon works and how all these things do in that one lecture.

16:58 And someone was saying they can't see the slides very well in it, so it may be worth doing again, because understanding this from the Hawaiian moon perspective, they based their entire calendar on the moon. And they were so superior agriculturalists that when Bill Mollison went to write his permaculture book, the Hawaiian Ahupua'a system was his main, which is their land management system, was his main inspiration for permaculture. So when I talk about the Hawaiian people, the Hawaiian culture, they were so tuned into the celestial things, but also the agricultural things of the land.

17:36 So I wrote an app that took Hawaiian moon calendar information from Kalei Nuhiva, sponsored by the Bishop Museum, and put that into an easy to do, like pull it up for today. What is it? And then there's also fishing advice, which says good reef fish at night, bad weather with high seas. Watch for box jellyfish or Portuguese man of war, which means that, you know, this thing, the moon affects the tides, affects the winds. You know, how would they know there's box jellyfish? It's because the winds are going to shift based on moon phases and how they're going and years of observation.

18:14 so in today's today's moon phase for the um 28th of november is um kalua kulua which means um you know we're just we're just out of the oli days and we're in the kalua days which is means long so the moon is starting to turn long and get skinny again um so anyway there's there's a whole bunch of that does it affect your imos um you know because microbes are so tiny and because they're paying attention to these subtle energies like if you think about it and you think oh well the moon doesn't have that much effect look how much it affects the tides it's able to pull water

18:53 up like thousands and thousands of gallons it's able to pull water like 10 feet up or 10 feet down in some places you know hawaii's tides are like three to three to four feet uh change but imagine taking three to four feet times how many millions of gallons that's heavy water and it's lifting at three feet in the air. That's, that's immense energy. And so it does the same thing inside of your plants is that as the tides are changing, the water in your plants is being drawn up more or drawn down more, meaning that, you know, and so there's certain moon phases that really affect,

19:30 especially during the full and new, new moon phases. That's when there's the most dramatic change of energy coming up, energy coming down during half moons. When it, when it, when the moon looks like you know a half phase it's it's out of phase and it's not nearly as much of a change so it's during those times that you should do pruning type of work and it's doing during the new or full moons when you should do change like planting and or growing things and right after the full moon you have what they call the medicinal days there's there's three medicinal days and

20:04 those are the best times to gather fermented plant juice like to make the can of food from your plants So anyway, I could go on for a while on moon phase, but I do have a lecture on that. That's pretty darn good. I love the moon and super tuned into it. So much so that I wrote an app so that I could check it out whenever I needed it. So Shaman King is also asking, can KNF solutions and principles be applied to aquaculture? This is a great question. And if you're into aquaculture, there's a guy, Steve Dredd, who I was on his podcast once. His podcast is called Growing With Fishes.

20:44 And we talk a lot about that. Primarily, what we were getting into was the idea of lactobacillus being used in aquaculture. And, you know, these K&F foods and medicines and all these things work really well in aquaculture. I know in Thailand, kind of an interesting hack, this guy was doing aquaculture and also raising goats and I think it was goats or sheeps. I don't know, but he was feeding these, I'm just going to say it's goats for simplification. He's feeding these goats, the IMO, and then their poops were coming out white, like the microbes were growing in their poops.

21:24 and then he was feeding those poops to the fish because there's still a lot of nutrient value in there and then he didn't have the same antibiotic use because tons of antibiotics are used in aquaculture or not and i'm not saying like um your hydroponic type thing and what i'm talking about aquaculture i'm talking about fish farms where they're raising you know fish in a tank or fish in a big mesh in the ocean where there are tons and tons of antibiotics and pharmaceuticals are used in that fishing operation. And the same, if you can get the IMOs in there, you can get that

22:03 lactobacillus in there, you can use these can of foods to change the quality of the water and getting it in there, the better off you're going to be in terms of health. I know people have used lactobacillus in, um, aquaponic type things where they have the fish in, in a system where it's running through and they use lactobacillus and they said it made it much easier to balance their, their nitrogens because you're always going between nitrate and nitrite and, and balancing those nitrogens to get it correct. And the lactobacillus helped. So did biochar in the system,

22:39 which you're probably already doing that, um, as well as, um, you know, using the, the microbes and, and anything, and you don't have to use it in the same dosage that other folks would. You, you actually can go much lighter because it's a complete aqueous solution and the plants are just in there dipped in. Um, it, it really makes a difference. Um, so, so yeah, apply these things aquaculture just go a lighter dilution because if you put it at those full concentrates there's there's no need because they're in this aqueous um solution so um so cool getting getting through

23:19 these uh it's kind of long-winded questions but i hope you guys like that i mean you know this you can find other resources other places but the whole point of this office hours to like go in depth and really get you, you know, what, what I know as much as I can here. Um, so GoPro got a question here. Um, can SES be stored for long-term closed made with, um, FAA and LAB added in and how long? One thing I'm going to recommend is, um, to, to think of it in a different vocabulary. I know, I know SES and all that is some older vocabulary. Reason that that vocabulary was old is that it was

24:01 originally translated by somebody who was an academic who didn't understand natural farming, and they just took these super literal translations. But what does SES mean? If you talk to someone who's not a experienced natural farmer, they'll look at you and be like, I don't know what you're talking about. So what I call SES is seed soak solution and just seed soak formula actually. And so I recommend one to just call it seed soak solution, seed soak formula, you know, drop, drop the SES that stuff. It's like, it's like, it makes it sound too esoteric,

24:39 like your way out there. You're asking, can you store the seed soak solution with the fuel and the protectors. And so what happens when you take these things like seed soak solution is taking your Korean natural farming solutions, the nine core solutions, and you're diluting them. So in my book here, I don't actually, I don't have the most recent copy up, but I have a little chart where it shows how to dilute these. And once you've diluted them, you've added so much water. the key to preserving them is that before adding the water they're super saturated

25:18 meaning that there's no moisture in there as soon as you add water and dilute them to make your seed soak solution you've now given the biology free range to go go nuts and so what can happen is especially if you've added fuel and um and protectors is it'll start to ferment so the So what's recommended is you really only store these about three days. It may be five days. And if you did take them and you want to store them longer, like for some reason you mixed up a batch that you really want to store like a week, two weeks, you can put it in the refrigerator. Just like you would milk.

25:58 You know, milk is going to continue to ferment, rot, slash depends on how it was treated. But if you put it in the fridge, it will slow that down significantly. So if you really needed to store it, like say you mixed up too much and you're like, oh, I'm going to use it next week, you can put it in the refrigerator and get it down to like, you know, 32 degrees or 35 degrees, I think is what most fridges are set to Fahrenheit and keep it that way. So, so it is possible to do that. oftentimes though if you've mixed up too much i just recommend you know using it all um going

26:34 outside to and just you know spreading it on your neighbor's land or your land or your yard or something and and just boosting the environment that way um because storing it is not a good idea um however i did want to bring up one point is that say i'm going to mix a seed soak solution so i'm going to combine all the things and if you don't don't know the formulations actually I have it right here in the app here. Um, you know, so say I mixed up a five gallon batch of this stuff and I'm like using the seed solution here. So I've added, you know, 19 milliliters of

27:10 OHN, which are medicine, uh, 38 milliliters of cleanser, uh, 38 milliliters of food, 19 milliliters of fuel, 19 milliliters of structure, 19 milliliters of protectors, and 757 of seawater. So that's my seed solution that I've mixed up. I actually want to let that sit for an hour or two before soaking my seeds in it. And ideally let it sit about six hours. So make it in the morning and then soak your seeds in the afternoon or do some sort of thing where you let those things kind of activate and mix. The longer they activate and mix up to like six

27:54 hours, up to 12 hours, they get really much more activated and strong because like I said, the preservation fact, they're super saturated. So they're sleeping. You mix them, let them, let them sit together for about six hours. You'll get better results than you would just making like a fresh mix, fresh, go at it, fresh things. So, but then there's a time window on the end where it'll start to rot after three to four days it helps that you add the protectors to this solution because they'll keep it from rotting as fast any any guys getting out of hand they'll just

28:27 crack skulls and be like hey get back in line and they help to be these benevolent protectors to help the whole thing so um so yeah so and then here um boise eco village is is weighing in on that too to say you know best practice is to only make what you need fresh each time and you could store it but should you store it yeah and the answer is no um but you know it's um you got to do what you can do and i always um talk in my classes about what i call rule zero which is let nothing stop you from growing so use what you got start to get out there start to do it and you'll

29:07 have good results. Um, you know, and you can always get better from there, but don't let something prevent you from trying or doing or being there. Um, so it's Dave. Hey, what's up? It's Dave, um, is saying, Hey Drake, I'm just learning KNF. How can I utilize LAB and banana fermented fruit juice while I'm halfway through flower? So, um, so let me say that a, I translate the lab to be protectors so think of that like think okay do you have any powdery mildew do you have bugs coming in do you have any of these things that need protection from that's how you'd

29:49 use those i know growers that are going from straight from veg all the way through to finishing and they've used the protectors that lactic acid bacteria that entire time i even know people that after flower will take their product and dip it into lactobacillus pull it out dry it you know hang it up to dry and that lactobacillus is good the whole way through it will always help prevent molds it'll help from anything from corrupting your flowers it doesn't affect anything coming off there at all it's it's a great thing so you can use it all the way through lactobacillus

30:30 then when you're asking about banana fermented fruit juice i call all whether it's plant juice fermented plant juice fermented fruit juice i call them all knf food because the translation again came through to us where plant juice was different than fruit juice they're really kind of the same thing they're used differently but there was also a mistranslation where they completely missed flower juice or unripe fruit juice which is that middle one so there's actually three knf foods There's plant tips, there's unripe fruits and flowers, and then there's fruits.

31:05 And I call them all KNF food, and it just depends on what you made it from for when you're using it. But I try not to differentiate between FPJ and FFJ because that was also kind of a mistranslation type of thing. However, with that, how should you use your banana KNF food made from the bananas is it's really going to help as your, as your medicine is starting to firm up and starting to get into it. So plant tips are used when you're growing in the beginning. The flowers are used as you're transitioning and the fruits are used as you're finishing. So if you're growing like, you know, say you're

31:46 growing oranges, it's after your oranges are starting to get big and they're starting to firm up. But if you're growing flowers, it's when your flowers are starting to bloom at their most peak bloom and so you can use these different fruit juices and plant juices to actually add certain plant secondary metabolites like different terpenes different um you know things that i can't say without getting um demonetized on here and i just want to just saw this i drop a huge shout out to stone mason dropping 50 bucks man that's man it makes it makes it worth my time my

32:21 wife, my wife will be super happy to be here. I really appreciate that. Um, and I'm sure you probably dropped a question with it or something, but I really appreciate you guys and everybody who helps out to make this possible. Um, and yeah, so that's, that's the way to use these things. If you think of it as a food and you think of it as fruits, think of these stages to be like, okay tips in the beginning flowers as this transition and then fruits as you're finishing things and just similar to a diet right you're going to eat the plant tips like it's it's going

32:58 like like eating what you need at the right time giving it the right nutrients reason why okay so like why why it's not just mystical stuff here the tips have a bunch of growing hormones and enzymes in them. The flowers or unripe fruits tend to have a lot of potassium in them, which helps this flower differentiation. It also helps to put more root systems out there. And then thinking of it as fruits have a lot more potassium in it. And potassium is what gives you that crisp thing. You know, I was learning about this old school thing where people were growing

33:37 tobacco in in america when they when the europeans first came to america and they started growing all this tobacco and they said the american tobacco grown over there was just superior and and as they'd smoke this tobacco they would get ash where it gets super long and the and the thing wouldn't ash and what that was a sign of was a bunch of potassium in the soil but of course through poor soil management practices they they sucked all the potassium out or made it unusable or somehow you know tilled the soil or whatever they did and ruined it and now you don't get that same thing

34:14 but when you get that really good smoke in the tobacco it's because of the potassium content so if you think of this like what do you want to finish with that potassium it's what makes fruit sweeter it's what enables them to hold all this thing it's in addition to the calcium and the seawater, which is the minerals. So bringing those all in, and that's why in Korean natural farming, you don't really ever use one of the solutions in isolation. You try to balance them. And then, you know, and if you, if you know how to balance them, it's, it's, you know,

34:47 it's here in the app, right? It's like, okay, well, you know, you see, it's not just one of these things. It's all these things combined for your different stage. And when you balance it that way it brings all the things you need into the solutions you know you know into your end product so so again but that that's that's the kind of the scientific bits behind it if you go just super simple npk um thinking it's it's you're you're adding fruit juice from bananas at the end you're going to add a lot of potassium in and that's that's kind of um kind of what you're after you

35:25 know so so thinking of that getting into those things to see you know especially if you're new to this um you'll see how all this chemistry lines up straight with natural farming how it goes and boom shout out to natural mystic grower thanks thanks you guys sponsoring the show making it happen appreciate you guys um so let's let's go here i'll speed up a little bit um we got grow pro is asking okay um so he's saying well it's sort of like so i think this is going back to the seed soak solution and he's saying it's sort of like the maintenance solution

36:03 that we can can be mixed and stored so less work each time okay so if you if you're asking about i want to differentiate this here and this may help to clarify the original um seed soak solution question which said okay so i went to master cho and i asked him okay there's a difference between taking the solutions and diluting them and putting them into water those can only be stored you know like i was saying like three to five to a week in the fridge type of thing versus the second type of this which is saying okay i'm gonna take like you see these

36:43 solutions behind me or can I get over there right there these solutions they're all sitting up here these are super saturated concentrated solutions you're looking at behind me those I can take and in their concentrated form I can pre-mix them so say say the easiest case is maintenance solution so maintenance solution has two parts of food two parts of cleanser one part of structure one part of medicine and I can take all those in their concentrated farm and mix those in that ratio into a jar. And often I do that. I'll mix up a half gallon jar just like this right here

37:24 and I'll mix that up and that will enable me to store them. So I only have to go back and instead of grabbing out four jars and a bunch of things and mixing it, I can grab just one jar and then I can dilute that 25 milliliters per gallon. You can do that same thing with all the rest of the solutions and make their pre-mix. Adding in the lactobacillus and the food to it makes it a little bit more volatile because you're adding like concentrated vinegar plus lactobacillus. So the recommended for making these pre-concentrates, what I'd consider like a maintenance solution

38:04 or if you made a seed soak concentrate, not a seed soak dilute, but a concentrate, you could store that a little longer in a, but about your time window for that, according to Master Cho, is about one month to three months max to take these things and make them. So if each month, you know, you're going to go make your concentrates and then use them that way. As soon as you mix them in a concentrated form, they start to interact with each other and these things are alive even the vinegar for instance is

38:37 alive there's vinegar eels in there there's all kinds of things alive in there and they start to interact with each other so they do start to degrade quicker but i do want to clarify that point where i'm talking about did you dilute it with water already then don't store that very long or if you did it where you're mixing concentrates you can store that for longer but they start to interact. And this is where, you know, getting a new, another PhD in studying this to see what is the effect, what is the side-by-side trial, you know, how, what is the science behind it is where

39:12 it would be amazing because it's kind of hearsay. It's kind of Eastern, just like do as I say from like master Cho, which he's been so right on every time. So I, so I really, you know, trust him when he just says something and there's no scientific evidence. I'm like, Oh yeah, this guy knows what he's doing, but, but that's because he's proved it over time. And, you know, but, but I'd love to see that and, uh, shout out to, uh, Shaman King hooking it up. Yeah. Thank you guys for these donations, this, making this happen, keeping me, keeping me going, making my farm, especially this

39:47 last week where I just, Oh man, I worked so hard to make all these videos and I'm looking forward to dropping those, uh, in the new year going to do it. I got a ton of editing ahead of me. I just, man doing doing youtubes like and sitting here it's it's super underappreciated uh work to do because the amount of editing that goes in the amount of things anyway it's it's it's way more than you see here but i appreciate you guys tuning in and want to keep churning out the good content because i see the audience tune in and i'm like yes this is what's happening knf is growing we're

40:19 gonna save the world maybe i don't know i'd like to be hopeful hopefully you're hopeful too okay so let's see this uh eyewitnesses saying good morning literally just picked up two grill starters for some bones i scored any tips on good charcoal would be appreciated um i you know i'm each time i use it i use kingsford it's you know i if you learn about the story behind kingsford it's it's named king's ford because it actually comes from henry ford when they were um building cars with wood frames they took all the rest of the wood chips and they started char it to sell

41:01 it as charcoal to people it's probably one of the worst charcoals out there um sometimes often i'll go with um just scrap wood that i have untreated lumber sticks put those in light it with a torch like we did Korean style, light it up, go with it that way. But the two grill starters, I'm assuming you're talking about the KNF structure where you take the two grill starters, you put one on the bottom, put your wood in there or your charcoal in there, light it. Then after it's lit well and flaming, you take your second grill starter, which is stacked with all your bones and you put it on

41:37 top. So the flames are going straight up through your KNF structure, your bones to burn them and char them. It's so much easier to do this method of stacking two grill starters on top of each other than it is to try to do it on the grill and barbecuing. If you're just trying to roast the bones and flip them and stuff, you don't get an even char. It's too far away. It's, it doesn't do what it's supposed to. When the fire goes straight through like this rocket stove kind of idea, it's so much better. And so I think that's what you're talking about. And it's the way to go.

42:10 we just did a really great video on that. And what you're looking for here is that when you first put the bones on top, it'll come out with this bluish type smoke. And I highly recommend you don't get that smoke on you. If you stand in that smoke, you will smell like it for like weeks. I mean, it depends how often you shower or whatever, but even showering, it's hard to get this smell off of you. And, um, so avoid the smoke getting on you. Just look at it from far away. Um, and then I also, I also kind of sometimes tell this joke of right before you do this recipe,

42:50 just yell and then fire a gun a couple of times because then your neighbors will think you're burning bodies. Oh, anyway, it's, it's not really that funny, but it's, I thought it was funny. Um, cause it, this smoke just smells terrible. It's, it's, I mean, it's, it's burning bones and It's just, it smells so wicked. So you always want to make your, you know, I always want to make my neighbor suspicious anyway. But yeah, the charcoal, I'd recommend, you know, try to find something that's made from wood that's just charcoal versus using briquettes that are compressed wood from Henry Ford.

43:28 So getting through this, so GoPro was asking, why not store a bottle of it using a couple times a week. Um, yeah. So like I said, store it in the fridge. I think this is going back to the maintenance or the seed soak solution that are used. Um, you know, do storm in the fridge if you, if you are going to dilute it. Um, Oh, thanks. Natural mystic grower. Appreciate you. Appreciate the donation. You guys doing great out there. Aloha from Oklahoma. If you're in Oklahoma, there are, there's two guys that you should link up with. One is Tyler, um, Lunghammer,

44:07 and he, he just came out. He's, um, he has a thing right in Oklahoma city. Um, should look up the name of his coffee company, but, um, but look them up on the Instagram, you'll find them in Oklahoma is a great guy. And, um, and then the other guy came out to the KNF conference we did in, in, um, in, um, Texas. And I don't have his name on the top of my head, but there's some great natural farmers out there. Um, and then I think also, um, Gary is out there, Gary infield, and he's doing some amazing things with lactobacillus, cleaning out drains,

44:41 all those kinds of things. Indiana. Glad you guys are tuning in. Um, yeah. So let's see here. A few more questions from the live. I think making months worth would be fine. Yes. So, so eyewitnesses saying this thing where, you know, each time I mix up my, my month's worth of solutions. And for me, it's real easy, um, for, for me on my farm. Uh, I'll just tell you. So when I go and I mix up a 40 gallon tractor, which is what I do. Um, I try to do it once a week. I don't always end up doing it once a week, but I mix up this thing and I go around my farm, spraying

45:23 everything and get everything done. 40 gallons takes one liter of maintenance. So I mix up two half gallon jars and each week I go and I pour half a half gallon jar in, which is a thousand mils into my tank sprayer. And that way I only have to mix up a gallon per month of my maintenance and I'm good to go. And then anytime I can go and I can look at the plants and I can say, okay, well, maybe they also need some, some fuel into it. Cause I'm, cause the maintenance covers my common denominator of all solutions. Right. And so I can be like, okay, I'm just going to make

46:01 life easy for myself and do this. And then if I want to add anything else and I just pull up the app through in 40 gallons and I'm like, oh, well, I also maybe want to add in 151 milliliters of fuel. Cause maybe my plants are looking a little, um, emaciated or maybe they're more in the, in the, fruiting stage. So I'll mix in 151 milliliters of, of reproduction in there. And, and based on anything else I do, I just use this little calculator and I just put it in. And, you know, if you want to look it up, it's KNF calculator. It's on both Android and iOS, iOS, and it makes

46:37 my life so easy. I just throw in the maintenance, good to go, get my things cranking and, and their work. And so it's, that's, that makes it so easy. I mix my month's worth. I go up there and, and then I also usually mix in an extra half gallon because the, I put it in my animal feeds each day, each day. So I'm feeding my pigs plus my chickens, the maintenance in their foods when I mix it and ferment it. So I also mix like another, I don't know, it's one of those best gul bottles. I think it's, there's no way it's a half gallon, but it's, it's like a liter and a half maybe.

47:12 And so I'll mix all those and I don't go through a liter and a half into my animal food each month. So I mix that one less frequently, but I just have it pre-mixed, ready to go. And I use it within, you know, about a month and it's so easy for me and I love it. So, okay. So, um, yeah. Avoid the smoke. That could be the $50. Oh, this is funny. Oh, let's see. Oh man. I scrolled by a whole bunch today. I don't know. Well, shout out to Mike Spangler to throw down $5. Appreciate it, man. You guys are, you guys are great. This has been one of the most thanksgivings. Thanks for nourishing me,

47:58 help to nourish you guys and appreciate it. Um, so let's see here. Sensational teacher learning, sharing. Thank you guys. Um, trying to read all these comments. It's, it's interesting doing this as a one man show here. Um, let's see here. Find some more questions. Thanks. Oh, thanks to master Cho. Yes. Yes. You know, always, always thanks to master Cho. I, you know, I couldn't do this without him and he's given so many tips and i've noticed since i've been promoting it a bit more on my channel please check it out go check out master cho's original lectures go receive it directly

48:40 from him you know um there's there's some out there that are just like woefully underappreciated there's there's some lectures out there that have um hardly hardly any appreciation oh man there's a bunch of chat that I think I scrolled past and missed here. Okay. So I'm going to, I just scrolled up here and I'm going to go into these. I will get to all these questions. I'll put them in here. Um, you know, even if I have to go a bit over here, let's see. Okay. Okay. See, okay. Coming down. Um, so let's see here. We, yeah, thank you. Thank you. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Try,

49:20 try just to be a real person try to just be myself here share um oh uh if anyone's interested um in this val f is saying making a non-profit we did make a non-profit this year can help you with those those filings those things we we made it actually a couple years ago now i forget that 2020 even happened it was like such a weird year that seems like a time um strength so gopro is asking what brand of dog food do you use for my im03 i typically use pedigree because it just comes in these like 50 or 60 pound bags it's cheap it's

49:57 easy it's available at my local store i do recommend you probably go with a horse feed or something but pedigree is awesome um i just use whatever's cheapest because i'm interested in the proteins the fats and i know the microbes are going to transform it so i know there can be other toxins, other things in there. But as soon as I introduce the microbes, especially the lactic acid bacterias in there, they're going to purge out the toxins. So I'm really not worried about it too much. I know pedigree, I shouldn't, you know, they, they, they call it dog food. It really

50:28 should be called industrial waste product. Um, but Hey, um, not definitely not sponsored by those guys. Um, so, um, here, uh, Rahim is asking, can you use powdered dry ingredients in preparing ohn example licorice powder or and crushed angelica i highly recommend you avoid the powdered material for making knf medicine it is too hard to sieve out it's too hard to do your pour off it ends up turning into a sludge versus a tincture it's very hard to use so i recommend you find it in a chipped form like bark fresh bark those things hey thank you guys oh man yeah they oh what's up cheryl

51:12 thank you for the donation appreciate you you're you're like my favorite natural farmer in the i appreciate you and thanks to eyewitness um my stand-up career i'm making jokes now yeah all right yeah i do make a bunch of memes i'll share maybe i'll share some of those that's actually one of the main reasons i left social media was i made they were a bit too spicy um so um so i recommend yeah avoid the powdered stuff it's it's terrible it um it's really hard to work with it's too hard to sieve um so um thoughts so val val is asking for um thoughts on

51:55 adding pineapple stems to facilitate breakdown maybe this is related to the fish aminos to help break down anytime you're going to get that papayan enzyme bromelade i think also helps to break down these meats. It can be used, especially if you're in cooler temperatures, go for it a little bit of it. Even some pineapple skins will help break it down. I used to add papaya to my thing, to my fish aminos to break it down. I thought I had innovated on Master Cho's thing to make it quicker. But you know, you get varying results. There's more moisture because

52:29 I've added the papaya and it works. It helps to break things down. But I've noticed for me, my fish aminos break down within three days they're like liquid however as soon as it's liquid you can use it but the longer you wait the simpler the aminos are going to be so the best is waiting three six months a year two years and you'll get just this amazing stuff but you've got to use it right away as soon as it's liquid you can use it you can do it you can do it you know so it's great um so um canna h and new hampshire happiness maybe i'm not sure exactly what what the name

53:07 is here but he's saying dear drake is it okay to use a dying plum tree trunk as a hugo culture bed or is it allopathic i continue to search the web if you're going to use um dead material that's diseased put lactobacillus on it it'll help to purge that out put imos on it'll help to purge that out um you know anytime people talk about um diseased plant material those types of things the microbes are your friends again try to avoid using a bunch of disease stuff because it's all about getting the right ratio of good microbes to bad microbes if you're putting in a ton of bad

53:44 you know bad i say bad it's they're not really bad they're just anaerobic and not for the conditions we want make sure you add enough imo make sure you add enough lactobacillus those things help to clean it out also another hack for this is to take a wood stumps wood chips soak them in pure seawater so if you don't have access to the ocean take sea salt dilute it at 30 grams per liter which is a lot of salt soak those in there leave it in there for about a week then pour it out and you'll completely have cleaned out these bad microbes all these things so it's kind of a

54:21 hack is to put it in salt water this way. So, um, just so you know, there's, there's a whole bunch of these things of ways to, to get around it. And that, that information I think comes from Paul Stamets. Um, so would ambient temperatures be something to consider when making IMO three? Um, if you go back to like my second office hour, I did an experiment and this is eyewitness asking this where I did a temperature probe into my animal ferments and I watched the difference between the ambient temperature so the air temperature and the temperature of my inside

54:57 probe and you'll see the temperature goes up it plateaus at a certain area and then the temperature starts rising but the second temperature rise was directly related to the air temperature so yes your ambient temperature directly relates to it and I think there was about a 20 degree difference between the ambient air temperature and the fermentation temperature. So just on my small little experiment with my little temperature probes, I noticed a huge difference and I'm looking forward to doing another IMO pile. I'm going to do it for, um, for a sauna, but I have

55:30 this little, um, uh, probe that I built here. It looks kind of like a tangled mess right now, but these are all temperature probes. And so I have four of them. So I'm going to embed them in different parts of the IMO pile and I want to do all this scientific graphing so I'll get to it one of these days here probably in the next couple weeks I've been just busy with holidays and all kinds of good stuff but I want to really answer that question well and Justin is in the stream Justin Chappelle I stopped by his place in Bend Oregon of all the people where I went across the

56:06 Aloha tour. Um, he had some of the best solutions that he was making, um, helping him grow some, um, commercial hemp up, up there in Oregon. And one of, one of my good friends, shout out to you, man. Uh, you know, Susan, I talk about you a lot. So, um, so what should, he's asking, what should he be doing to prepare his ground for winter? I recommend before winter that you mulch as much of your stuff as you can throw throw some um you know if you can get some some hay or not hay but but straw or some sort of material like that put it down and then spray liquid imo

56:45 lactobacillus um you know put you put your maintenance sprays down do your knf soil structure before winter that way all winter these microbes are going to be interacting they're going to bring the moisture in they're going to do these things if you can't you don't have time to do that make some jadam microbe solution and spray that out there make it happen put it out there because um and if and if you're really curious about that i i believe stephen cornett with nature's always right just did a great episode on what he's doing to overwinter his garden beds he's a good friend

57:21 of mine love him been getting into natural farming especially the jadam things he actually went to go visit Young Song in Korea and studied with him because his wife, I think, speaks Korean. So he was able to go with his wife to be a translator with him. And he has some great videos on what that is. So I trust him to go and do those things. Get that together. Get your beds ready for winter. And then Stone Mason is saying his pile is cooking at 30 degrees, 30 degree weather if that helps yeah once you get these microbes started they'll go i mean that's one

57:59 of the things about the microbes or the pig pens in korea is they don't have to add artificial heating because these microbes are active in the floor living there they actually create enough heat so they go all throughout winter and they go it's just a matter of getting the pile started getting it going insulating it enough to kick it off but but it'll go in in freezing temperatures and all those things so um the one thing you don't necessarily want to do is try to collect imo one get your seed imo in winter it's it's very challenging the best time to get it is in spring

58:33 when when things are then microbes are naturally active going springtime is going to be your best time to collect but if you already have one go for it you can mix an imo pile at any time plus if you jump in it and bury yourself it's going to be just an amazing sauna and that's one of the best parts of making it. Um, so he's, uh, eyewitnesses saying like, if my IMO two was from a time when temps were warmer, would it affect making IMO three when the temps are colder, um, to a degree, different types and times of the year are collecting, but it's, it's going to work

59:10 out. If you've, if your IMO two is less than a year old, two years old, go ahead, use it. Um, they're, they're going to activate those are your guys. They're, they're going to do it right. Um, so yeah, and there's some, I guess I'm kind of lagged on the chat here, but folks are talking about, you know, the great times and how to integrate the moon into your harvests, all these things. It really makes a lot of difference. Um, and someone was saying about the female cycle reflecting the moon. Yeah. You know, it's, it's very mystical how all that fits into it.

59:42 so i appreciate you guys here um yeah some so again the the best best times to gather fermented plant juice your plant tips are right after the full moon um you'll notice and the reason for that is and it's not just i'll give you a little of the reasoning when i wake up um this side of me is the east and the sun's just starting to rise and i'll look to the west and the moon is just starting to set so right after the full moon both the celestial bodies are in alignment and they're above me, which is drawing even more. That's when you'll have your highest tides.

1:00:16 That's when you'll have the most juice in the morning, which is when you want to gather for your fermented plant juice. It's sucking the most juice up into the tips. So the Hawaiian people forever have known this. They call those la'ao days, which means plant medicine days. And that's the time that traditionally they would gather plant material for medicine is right during that time. So it's all those energy being drawn up into it. um so yeah potent ponics is is steve dread's thing thanks for someone pointing that out

1:00:47 um keep doing what you're doing yeah thank you um thanks you guys going through i guess i'm just reading older chat here um yep they're no longer under arrest what is it um if you just want to make it with water it's so good yeah so i so i answered most of these questions thank you guys thanks for the donations here making this happen really appreciate it um nourishing each other yeah getting through these um joe i have a hard time getting my im04 to heat up unless i add faa but it still ends up with lots of visible white mycelium and a nice forest smell to it do you

1:01:30 still think it's good quality so this is joe uh peduzzi asking this question and um so i discussed it last week i believe or the week before where i was talking about the reasons to add knf fuel into your piles into your im03 and 4 depends on what substrate you're using i was talking a lot about that you know if i'm using the horse feed we just did an im03 pile with mature horse feed I did not need the extra fuel in there. However, when I'm using the wood chips and dog food, I do add a little bit of fuel in and to understand how those fit in. Will you get good quality if

1:02:09 you've done this? Most likely. One thing I do want to address on the IMO piles is sometimes you'll see the pictures on the internet where people are like, oh, my pile is blooming out all this great bloom oftentimes when i'm looking at those blooms they're like tie-dye in color and so it indicates that they got some anaerobic stuff going on and sometimes they'll be like oh i got this thick layer that thick layer sometimes is um actinomycines which is not exactly what you're wanting to be growing so if you're doing an imo pile and it's not blooming out and all that don't

1:02:43 worry the last pile i did in fact the only place it bloomed out was on the soil around my pile where it got wet there was not very much bloom out on the pile itself but the microbes are super active doing their thing and i'm not actually looking for the pile to bloom out typically when i see a pile bloom out a lot it's an indication that you didn't turn it enough that that there's something else going on so i just want to encourage you it's really you know the nose nose so when you're getting a nice smell forest quality smell that's what you're going after if it's smelling like

1:03:14 fresh asphalt you're getting more actinomycines that's not a good sign and just turning it But not turning it too early preemptively. I talked about this a lot last time. So don't want to don't want to beat it too much. But but the idea is that, you know, don't don't worry if you're not seeing a bloom out. It's not all about this like money shot for the Instagram type of thing. It's it's about really putting the goods out there so that, you know, your nose knows and smelling it should smell like a bakery and then a forest floor as it starts to mature.

1:03:45 So and someone was asking how tall is the pile? that's the best way to to limit your temperature like if i'm if i'm not going to turn my pile all night i'll make it about six inches tall if i'm going to be up near my barn able to turn it i'll make it like 12 inches 16 inches tall so that it'll really heat up but then i'm right there to turn it if i'm going to leave it for a while i'll eat sometimes when it really overheats i'll even spread it out like four inches tall if i'm going to leave it overnight and it's super active

1:04:12 and even this last file we didn't even cover it one night because it was so hot but turned out beautiful came out great and really appreciated it um thank you harold okay so so you guys thank thanks for all these these comments you guys it's it's been just a great day working with you guys um appreciate this it's i got some great donations i'll be able to go through here recognize you guys next time i you know it's just like you guys are my patrons making this happen nourishing me on their shoe and i'll nourish

1:04:47 you anyway i don't i mean to me the natural farming is the bigger thing it's you know it's like if we're doing this the world is getting better so i'm gonna see if there's any more questions in here because i'm a little bit behind and then get those out um and then i'll wrap it up for today so some guy was training people to make their food with water sugar and pureed fruit just be warned on the internet there's a lot of bad info there's also a lot of good info it's um you know if you're if you're adding water and pureed fruit and sugar you know you're making

1:05:23 more of a jadam type of thing and um i really recommend you know going with someone who studied directly with master cho um to to be your teacher um and even then like you know i went i went through the Philippines to go evaluate folks solutions that they had been trained there. And most of the things had turned to vinegar. So learning how to taste the things, to evaluate them, to know what the smell should be like, to see the site, to know all these things. That's, it's really, that's, that's what you got to do. Um, so trained with someone who's

1:05:57 reputable and knows, um, it's, there's, there's good info. There's bad info. Even the, you know, the document that I see get passed around a bunch is this, um, CGNF India book. And, um, it's, it's, you know, it has some okay things about it, but it's, it's kind of gnarly too. Um, and really all these things, if you learn from master Cho properly, they should all be human edible. They should smell great. You know, they should be part of your life. In fact, you start practicing master Cho's natural farming and you'll find that you're integrating these

1:06:29 constantly into your life. Um, yeah. So I appreciate everyone here. Uh, let's see here. Thanks for these donate, man. This is like, it's been great. I, I really appreciate it. Um, yeah, let's see here. Just, all right. Well, I, um, I want to support you guys, you know, read through these comments fast enough so that I'm not just like having some dead space. Someone's commenting on my beard master choice says I have pigs in my beard it's actually where I store all my IMOs um and um yeah so I want to want to appreciate you guys here uh let's see I'll take

1:07:10 take this one last question here some you guys are talking about the microscope um I do have actually a um an ohm ohmax I think that is the name of it and I do have the tri um the trinocular and yeah is this um uh you know i i primarily use my microscope at about um you know 20 times up to 400 times and that's enough to do my um my biological analysis so going going deeper like a thousand twenty twenty five thousand or two thousand five hundred times into it is not necessarily um that much more beneficial because then you have to put oil between the slide to keep

1:07:52 the light from going and stuff, but primarily anything you can look around. The key is to have it so you can move the stage around, um, to, to quickly scan through your slides and all that. So, um, yeah, so you guys, and then someone else is pumping up Steven Cornett. He is awesome. He's a good friend of mine. I did an interview with him when he came to the, um, Southern California KNF conference. Um, and it was, it was great to have him there. So I just want to appreciate you guys for coming out. Um, hopefully you guys liked the new intro video. Um, I just,

1:08:28 I added some B roll footage to that, um, based on Tyler's feedback and, um, hopefully, you know, the sound I've made this better and just trying to nourish this feed, this audio, make it good for you guys. Um, and right now I'm working on a whole bunch of video, looking forward to that, putting that out for you guys. Um, and again, I just want to, um, emphasize one more time here. Let's see, where's that window? It's here that, um, if you do want to check these things out, um, you know, the office hours, I'm kind of inspired by Ice Age Farmer. I don't know who,

1:09:05 who watches him on the YouTube, but he's one of my friends. Maybe he shouldn't watch it on YouTube. He always recommends to use alternative things. But, you know, so you can find this report and all my reports at knfsupport.com, you know, and just inspiring each other, you know, little bit of pinching the Ice Age farmer there. Shout out to Christian and his whole crew. But putting these up. And then the other thing I wanted to mention is that shout out to Jennifer. As I go through these, like, for instance, if you look at this episode here, the November

1:09:38 7th. There's a whole table of contents beneath it. So if you don't want to watch the whole thing, you want to just get specific things like, you know, you're talking about insulating IMO four piles, which I was talking about this time. Like here it is. It's at three, 30 minutes, 30 seconds of this video above, you know, jumpstarting an IMO four pile. This is where we're talking about adding the fuel to it. Low temperature IMO four piles. Someone was talking about this this episode so i want to encourage you that as this happens about you know within a week

1:10:10 after the video because it actually takes a lot of time to go through and do these but right now jennifer from the pure knf foundation is helping out with these and here you go you know brackish water in place of seawater like all this great info that this table of contents refers to this video here so we're going through um we're doing the older episodes we're just trying to keep this real for you guys, make it so that we can see, you know, it's not just a, you know, this, because this content that I'm generating each week, I love doing it, but it's like these

1:10:44 questions, eventually we're going to hit a point where we've asked, you know, maybe, maybe not, but we've asked all these questions. So do go check out, you know, the old office hours with these things, if you're looking for them. And I believe this will work in the search. Although I think this search right here is searching just for the answers. So we'll be working on the website to make sure it's good. And then of course, if you're interested in getting the book, another way to support me, you can click on this link here. It takes you to, um, natural farming Hawaii,

1:11:13 which is my, my, um, my business site. It's not through the foundation. This is my business. Although the foundation, you know, we're using this as our curriculum because it's, it is the pure KNF foundation. That's what we're built upon. And you can get the book here pretty easy. Um, but assume if you made it this far, you've probably already got the book and already pretty into KNF. So again, just want to thank you guys for tuning in. Uh, thanks for the nourishment today. Hope you guys were nourished and, um, you know, as always long live the natural farmer,

1:11:47 appreciate you and, uh, see you next week. I'll be back Sunday doing this thing. And, um, If you want to email me a question, it's drake at pureknf.org. And look forward to seeing you. So have a great week and enjoy. Aloha.