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Root-Tip FPJ, OHN Substitutions, IMO4 Temperature Limits

May 5, 2024 · by Drake Weinert

Drake opens with the I Ching hexagram Biting Through, then spends time thinking out loud about how to bring newcomers into Korean Natural Farming without diluting things for longtime viewers, and reflects on sovereignty and the real costs of homesteading, like being tied down by daily cow milking.

Farming questions: root tips make good fermenting plant juice (FPJ) — shake off dirt instead of washing, harvest midday when the plant pulls energy into its roots, and mix roughly one part root to three parts sugar since roots aren't very sugary. Fruit and veggie scraps that already turned to mush and juice should not get more brown sugar — the sugar's job is osmotic extraction, which does nothing once material is already fermented; treat it like bokashi with LAB protectors instead, or dilute 1:100 and spray. Two-year-old fish amino acid (FAA) that's mushy with bones is normal — pour off the liquid and dilute it 1 to 1000.

On IMO: colored mold on stored IMO2 (yellow, pink, blue, green) is fine, but red mold means skip that batch. IMO4 should never exceed 120°F — hotter temperatures, or holding heat like a three-day, 140°F compost, grow the wrong microbes entirely; if organic rules force higher heat, skip IMO4 and just make a liquid from IMO2 instead. For IMO rice collection in cold weather, pile on more forest duff and leaves for insulation, or bring forest duff indoors and bury the rice box in a greenhouse, as shown in a Korean forest-collection video Drake plays.

Other answers: OHN made with ginger, garlic, and ʻōlena instead of Master Cho's licorice-cinnamon-angelica blend isn't technically OHN — call it your own medicine, and turmeric can be added as a seventh ingredient in equal parts. OHN won't go bad if kept airtight and out of light, even after seven years. Chicks that can't break their own shell after about 12 hours usually won't survive even if helped. Dry rice in an IMO collection box means more insulation and more water when cooking the rice.

Questions answered

31:04 Are root tips good for making a can of food (FPJ)? — Yes—shake off dirt instead of washing, harvest midday, and mix roughly 1 part root to 3 parts sugar since roots aren't very sugary.
36:18 My winter fruit/veg scraps turned to mush and juice—should I add brown sugar? — No—sugar only works through osmosis on fresh material; treat the mush like bokashi with LAB protectors or dilute it 1:100 and spray.
40:09 My two-year-old FAA is mushy with bones and smells like fish sauce—how do I process it? — It's ready—just pour off the liquid and dilute it 1 to 1000 for use.
43:12 My IMO2 has several colors of mold—can I still use it? — Yes for yellow, pink, blue, or green, but skip the batch if you see red mold.
44:44 How much ginger, garlic, and ʻōlena to make a KNF medicine like OHN? — Use equal parts of each, but call it your own medicine, not OHN, since that name is reserved for Master Cho's licorice-cinnamon-angelica recipe.
47:57 What day/night temps are needed to collect IMO in rice? — Spring is the best season, and the real fix for cold nights is piling on more duff and leaves for insulation.
53:21 Should I help a chick that hasn't hatched 24+ hours after starting to unzip? — No—a chick too weak to break its own shell usually won't survive even with help.
54:40 My rice keeps drying out in my IMO collection box—what am I doing wrong? — Insulate the box better and cook the rice with a bit more water so it holds moisture.
58:02 IMO4 maxes out around 120°F—can it go higher like compost temps? — No—above 120°F, or holding heat like a three-day compost, grows the wrong microbes; use IMO2 liquid instead if you can't stay under that.
1:00:04 Will OHN go bad if each ingredient is kept in its own separate jar? — No—OHN only goes bad if the seal isn't airtight and the alcohol evaporates out.
1:01:39 Is seven-year-old OHN still good? — Yes—like whiskey, it should only get smoother and better with age.
1:11:14 Where on the Big Island can I buy dry ingredients for OHN? — Try Ko Natural Foods—they have an apothecary and can special-order herbs.

Topics: imo, imo2, imo4, ohn, faa, fpj, root tips, mold, bokashi, chickens, sovereignty

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3:00 Hey, good morning. Welcome. Good day. Good wherever you are. Good time to be here. Welcome to Korean Natural Farming Office Hours with myself, Drake. And, uh, Master Cho sitting here and got him finally up. I think I'll just leave him there. It's a better picture than what you would see behind. And, uh, yeah. So, uh, welcome for May 5th, 2024. I believe, uh, that's what they call the 5th of May for some people out there.

3:52 Um, may the 4th be with you yesterday, right? National Star Wars Day. um you know um but may the fifth be with you today um so office hours hour to ask anything about korean natural farming try and fill you in on the depths of what i know learning from master cho and then also this year 2024 so far this year also going over my dadge as, you know, a cheap way to do alternative natural farming. But fire away. Any questions? Good to see some good people in the house. What's up, y'all?

4:37 But before we get into it, let's do a little bit of higher wisdom here. And today, Biting Through, there is an obstacle to the expression of truth. withdrawal into quietness allows the sage to moderate. Unity has been broken by one who is not being true to proper principles. This may be another, it may be an element in one's own personality, or both. In any case, serious misfortune may result if the appropriate response is not made. The I Ching is very clear about our proper action when confronted with an obstacle of this nature.

5:28 Withdrawing to contemplation and turning over the matter to the higher power for resolution. This is a time when aggressive action or intervention can only compound the misfortune. Use your strength to clearly separate yourself from incorrectness and realign yourself with the sage. It is always our responsibility to acknowledge where something has gone wrong, but never our right to punish. The administration of justice is the sole province of the deity. The I Ching teaches us to forgive but not forget.

6:15 This does not mean one who reveals themselves as inferior today should be regarded as such tomorrow. It means we are wise to pay attention to the waxing and waning of truth in oneself and in others. when truth predominates we can progress when it is eclipsed we are obligated to withdraw and surrender the matter to the sage fighting through yeah it's always a it's always a nice one to get makes us uh you know think think about it drawing into stillness with drawing into you know what

7:03 am I doing? Am I doing the correct thing? Am I doing the incorrect thing? What am I doing with myself? Um, yeah, so I was, I actually, I've been contemplating a thought for a little bit here of, um, been working with my dad. Um, and he's talking about how, um, you know, getting regenerative farming to the forefront of the consciousness of folks. And he was asking me the other day, he's like, do you have any references? Can I go on your website and find stuff? And I'm like, sort of, the website's pretty bad in a lot of ways. And, um, you know, and, and then he was

7:49 asking like, yeah, I just need to summarize all this in a five minute thing. And I'm, and then And he's like, the more I was researching this, the more I found that there was all this information out there. I was talking to him kind of about resonance and frequency and like tuning in. And how do you help an absolute beginner? Right. Because here most people tuned in. You guys out there, I would assume most people out there have some knowledge, especially the folks that are tuning in regularly. You guys like really know this really well.

8:22 but how do you get this to a complete beginner and when I mean complete beginner I mean someone who hasn't even doesn't even understand the concept of living soil at all doesn't even understand regenerative agriculture and maybe had some run-in with like health issues happen to them and all of a sudden they think whoa maybe maybe it's the food I'm eating and how to get um how to get somebody that has, you know, it's not even never planted a seed before, never grown a garden. And how do you explain to them the importance of regenerative agricultural practices,

9:00 eating healthy, growing good food, getting into all these things. And, you know, and it's like most my, um, most my information and things target somebody who already has some knowledge of, um, of growing. At least you've planted a seed before and you're looking, you know, maybe you've, you've used certain products to grow things and then you're looking to find, um, you know, something that's, uh, regenerative and something that's not, um, going to, um, you know, be cheap, easy at home. I don't know. I don't know what, what, you know,

9:40 maybe you can tell me what, what attracted you to KNF and what level of experience did you have when you came to Korean natural farming, right? Where you already like, you already knew you're already gardening and then you found this and you were like, oh, this is so much better and easier. Did you come in as a complete noob thinking like, I don't know anything. I've never even planted a seed, but I want to learn this. I don't know. I mean, I assume, I assume there's all kinds of different levels of where we've come here. Um, but understanding this idea of, um, creating

10:13 some sort of, um, deal for people to like, you know, how do you go with someone who's like never planted a seed, but wants to start regenerative farming. And I feel like what my dad was asking was like, how, you know, like, like here's, there's a whole library of things out there, right? There's videos. There's John Kempf. There's Gabe Brown. There's Alan Savory. There's, you know, there's hundreds of people out there. You can just go search YouTube and you'll find all these different methods. There's a Johnson Sioux composting method. There's people that are

10:47 practicing Jadam that are, you know, maybe good or not good. There are people out there that are doing composting. There's Elaine Ingham. There's the Soil Food Web. There's Masanobu Fukuoka. there's you know biodynamic folks there's all these like thousands of different methods and approaches to do this and um you know but but do any of those like really teach you about regenerative soil and like going from the basis and it's like i feel like my dad was asking it's like there's a whole library but he wants to write like an encyclopedia but in five pages

11:24 and it's like you know I want to just have a quick intro video for people and I'm like yeah but you know like the corpus of knowledge you have to have to get into there to get into things you have to be um I don't know it's hard it's hard it's like how do you take this entire knowledge and put it into this system and and I feel like sometimes with this office hours I was relating to to my wife yesterday I was like you know I think what happens is you know it's hard for me to get to each time talk to new people, but you want to bring new people into the fold,

11:58 but how do you even jump into like this office hours, right? Because most, most, most of the folks I see here tuned in, like once in a while we get new people and I'm happy, like, you know, it's great. But most, most of you folks are fairly advanced into this and, and how do you expand and grow, you know, this method and address new people, but also keep the older people and the more veteran people engaged. And that's always been one of the struggles. That's why when I did the natural farming meeting in Hilo, I would always every month cover one solution. So we'd

12:31 meet monthly and we did it for like eight years or something. And we'd always cover a solution because that way it'd give the new people a brand new solution to take home. But then the veteran people could share how that solution has benefited them. And so with nine solutions, that basically gets you, you know, nine months out of the year. And then you have three months that you can go into like animals or other, you know, other maybe application or, you know, in-depth things, but you can just kind of have a monthly meeting every month and you're going through one solution

13:01 each month, or maybe IMOs needs a couple months of doing it, you know, it's a more complex solution. But that way you were always engaging new people and, and veteran people and having this really good exchange, but because I do the office hours weekly, there's only, you know, nine solutions. That's why I'm doing my dad, right? Because here it's like, you know, there's only nine core solutions, but then the medag is like this other whole cheap solutions to this. And, you know, and because I do a weekly program, it's like, okay, well, I got to, you know, dive deeper into

13:36 all these other off subjects instead of just one solution each month and keeping it focused. And, and sometimes it's like well I didn't watch the previous episode so you don't know the whole history of Madag up to this point and it's kind of this thing that's like how do you how do you take a bite out of this sandwich of natural farming and um and not be like well I gotta eat this entire you know 10 foot long sandwich before I can understand where you're at today and I'm like am I doing myself a service or this service I mean I really I really enjoy

14:08 you folks here, the folks tuned in and like, feel like we're building like something even better, um, like partnership and, um, like really a solid foundation. But this question of like bringing new folks in and making it availability and approachability and digestibility and understandability and all these things have just been like, like running through my head of like, man, I'm, you know, how do you service those people and how do you bring in this thing where it's like, okay, um, you know, uh, yeah. And so, so I think, I think in a, in a, in a,

14:49 there's some comments here, you know, I haven't, I haven't really read the comments, I'm sort of reading this kind of monologue, monologuing or whatever, but, um, reading some of the comments is like, yeah, you got to completely understand, like you almost have to have a paradigm shift in terms of your understanding, right? Like you have to understand like the soil's alive and that the food that you commercially are getting is very like not that much nutrients. And that by switching to these regenerative, especially pure K and F methods,

15:17 you can get this, um, this nutrient cycle going. You can grow nutrient dense food. You can restore the soil, living soil makes us better, makes us stronger. Um, and these lessons to build up from like zero to getting it. And then to understand that a lot of people are, um, you know, like maybe they're in a city and stuff and they, they don't like have access to soil. And it's like, yeah, you can, you can put a couple of buckets in your, in your house. You can build a food taco that we've done, you know, like, but it's, it's this idea of like empowerment. How do I go from feeling

15:57 like a victim of the world around me to empowering, to be like, I have all these things and I can do this and I have resources and I can jump into this. And it's like, you know, I, I don't know. I just, you know, talking to here, you know, maybe your experience sharing that of how did you get into it? What drew you to it? What level were you at before you got there? Like answering these questions would help me to understand, okay, because you're here, right? You're tuned in. You found the office hours. You're enjoying it, right? How to help other people figure out where

16:33 they're at and have more people get into that. I mean, and then the other part that hits me is like, well, do I want a whole bunch of people to come in and dilute this and then like have, you know, noob questions again. It's like, I got to empower you folks to be helping these new people and helping it so that we can grow exponentially instead of just like taking what you loved of like going advanced and deep into natural farming and then diluting it with a bunch of noob questions. Maybe it would off put you as a veteran person. And if you're brand new, hey, welcome,

17:04 you know, please, please check it out. And don't, don't think I'm talking down or like, it's, it's like a only for veterans type of thing. This is all levels. That's the Pure KNF Foundation, you know helps me do a weekly broadcast to bring it to all levels any question you ask you know it's like you see some people on youtube and it's like they have like a ask me anything once a year i'll have a weekly ask me anything like ask me anything anything and i'll answer it for you know to the best of my ability for for korean natural farming and um you know i mean and you know it's

17:38 free for you to tune in through YouTube, you know, minus your internet connection, the phone, you know, all the externalities that there are for free. But yeah, so introducing folks to LAB protectors, when they're having fungal issues and smell issues is a great way to pull them in. Yeah, but how I mean, yeah, I hear that. I think I think that is like, you know, like starting with one solution like LAB or, you know, the lactic acid, the protectors, or starting with the can of foods, you know, those two recipes are like the way in, right?

18:15 You got microbes and food, those two, right? Those are the ways to get in. But how do you get to somebody that's like even in a different paradigm where they don't even realize that the food they're eating is like not, you know, it's killing them. I mean, for lack of a better word, it's it's not necessarily killing them. I mean, some food is killing you, but it's lowering your lifespan, your, your expectation. If you're eating more nutrient dense, more healthy food that, um, I mean, the theory is that you'd live longer. I'm not even sure that's true.

18:49 I'm really, you know, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's sort of like this, I eat better food than you. I'm going to live longer. And it's like, watch me get hit by a bus and die tomorrow. You know, like it doesn't, life is not, uh, so linearly directed between things. Um, you know, um, so, but yeah, anyway, I've been, I've been kind of wrestling with this question of like, you know, what are, what are my, you know, what are my strengths? What are my best efforts? What am I, what am I doing with my life? Right. Like, um, and how am I helping

19:23 folks to connect to nature, to connect to growing, connect to these things. So the more I understand, the more I have, um, you know, better about this, like, I guess you kind of got to start farming. You got to have some, um, medical emergency, some kind of critical thing happen in your life before you realize that, um, that, um, you know, maybe it's worth changing to do something different because if you're doing what's doing, you're doing something and it's working. And even if, it may not be, you know, the most optimal solution, you're going to continue to do that, right? But

19:56 I don't know. Anyway, I've just been, you know, talking with this thing and, you know, I like Jonathan's idea of compressing KNF into 10 memes that, yeah, maybe, maybe, you know, I did, I did draw a bunch of things at one point. I was trying to do these things and, yeah, I think, I think the answer his baby steps into it. But how, you know, the larger awareness, maybe it's a struggle that I'm not even, you know, supposed to engage in and struggle with, right? I mean, I love talking with you guys that are tuned in here and going deeper to make you more knowledgeable that maybe you can

20:35 help spread KNF where you're at. But even if you don't, it's fine. Like, if it's improving your life and, you know, your soil and your environment, like, isn't that enough? Like, why do we have to Maybe it's just like an egoic breaking through thing of that. There's a fault in myself thinking that I have to do this or that there's some sort of thing. But no, just like appreciating the fact that we got so in here from from Brazil that we got Rainbow Possum coming in from Seattle. And it's equally rainy and mushy here today. We got Cecily from Western Australia.

21:09 We got Cheryl coming in from Idaho. We got Eyewitness from Florida. We got Stonemason from Indiana. We got Christoph coming from Germany. Like, isn't that enough that we've already built a worldwide community and that together we're these nodes in this fungal network that are interfacing? And that, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it is enough that Master Cho's works came all the way from Korea here to, you know, Hawaii. And then from here went out around the world. You know, not that they weren't already. They were already, you know, Master Cho went to the Gobi Desert.

21:43 He went to China. He went to, you know, India. He went to the Philippines. He himself went around the world. But I feel like it didn't really break into the Western world until he came to Hawaii, you know, and then he was able to get it, you know, to me and a few other, you know, devoted disciples to be like, man, this guy knows what he's up to and spread it all around. You know, maybe maybe that's enough. Maybe that's enough. and that the tiny little bits of inoculation we're doing is enough. And, you know, don't

22:16 worry about the other people. Right. I mean, isn't that, isn't that like the classic, um, uh, like, you know, sage thing to do, right. It's like, you don't go to the, the, the sage master walk up the hill and he says, you know, what you should do is worry about others. Right. the classic thing is like, what should I do master? It's like, improve yourself. Just keep improving yourself. Anything you can find, correct yourself. Don't worry about other people. Uh, they'll, they'll get what they get when they're ready and they'll resonate on these

22:51 different levels. And when they're ready to resonate with you, because you're, you're improving your wavelength, your vibrations, your presence, your being, then other people will be ready, but trying to take other people and be like, you need to resonate better is like, they're, you know, no, that's not, that's not how the world works. Right. It's not like the master says, yeah, you know, force other people to learn and become more enlightened. It's like, no, like just chill out, chill out and just do your thing, do your thing really, really well. And then other people,

23:25 when they're ready will will join you you know and and just don't worry about it and maybe maybe that's the key maybe that's the thing but i often think you know here i am i have a channel right i have a youtube i have a thing it's like you know there's 1700 17 000 subscribers you know and out of that it's like you know they've got 250 people that tune in weekly to this which yeah thank you love you guys um but it's like you know i always think oh i could do more i could make this research maybe maybe this weekly effort of putting this office hours out isn't the most

24:00 effective thing i can be doing maybe maybe i should get a channel with clickblady titles and scantily clad men you know and attract the people in you know get a celebrity here you know i think of all these like plotting and scheming and maybe that's the defect in myself right maybe that's the breaking through. Maybe that's the breaking of unity within myself. But anyway, I encourage you, I implore you, think about this. Think how you got into it. Share it with me so I can like at least know and be like, okay, thanks. And understand how, you know, can we build this bigger or does

24:35 it need to be built bigger or do we just continue to do our thing or, you know, what is the most effective use of our time. And, you know, I mean, I think, yeah, here, Kristoff saying one of the things that attracted him was, you know, making things from his land and instead of in being independent of store-bought products. And I think to me, ultimately, one of the things that natural farming brings to you is sovereignty, right? Like, and to me, it's like, what is the most important thing to me? Well, the health of the ocean, right? The health of the ocean. That's the

25:13 most important thing to me. Second, most important thing to me personally is probably my own sovereignty, right? Like the more sovereign I can be, the more, uh, you know, um, uh, independent of systems and things and, and independence and, you know, connection with, with God versus man and in this machine that we built that that's important, you know? So yeah, I think that's a huge, you know, if you're ready for sovereignty, you're probably going to find natural farming. You're probably going to be, you know, have Master Cho just like shatter the chains that

25:45 were holding you to all these systems and be like, I found freedom, just a little bit of sugar. And now I can grow whatever I want. Now I can boost my plants. Now I can enrich my property. Now I can become a better human being like that sovereignty. Right. And that's, that's super attractive to me. I, you know, freedom, it's like, you know, free mind, free body, free spirit, free all these things, you know, and not like free as in beer, but free as in, what is the other software they say, like, you know, not like a free product, because I tell you, the more sovereignty you

26:20 have, the more less freedom you have, but the more in control of your destiny, the more weird you are, right? Like, you know, one of the things that happened to me, you know, get free by having a cow. Now I have infinite butter cream yogurt and a beautiful wife that helps to facilitate those things, right? Because each day I just milk the cow and I move the pasture and I enriched the grass, but, you know, it takes someone to make the yogurt and thank you, Suze, you know, amazing. um not discounting that but um but it's like yeah now i'm more free than ever but i'm more tied to

27:01 the farm than ever can't go on a vacation anymore right can't can't go anywhere can't even visit friends and you know just on the other side of the island because i have to be back every evening to milk the cow right so it's like through this sovereignty through this freedom i'm actually more enslaved than ever and so it's kind of this juxtaposition where it's like you know true freedom is actually like incredible amounts of responsibility. Um, so yeah, so thanks, thanks for these suggestions here, you know, um, and if you watch the episode thinking of these

27:36 things, um, so, um, amazing and Kona, we're not in Kona, man. We're in Hilo, Hilo. Come on, Tyler. So, um, so Cecily, okay, so I'm going to scroll up a little bit. We got a question here. I'll get back to the big, get back to this. I know I just kind of monologued and ranted and I appreciate everyone here and, you know, I'm going to make it worth your time, but I think this is a good conversation to have to think about, you know, for each of us, you know, are we doing our best out there? Are we, you know, or maybe that's the unity is being broken. Just do the best for

28:17 yourself and others will get in there. But, um, um, run out. Yeah. Yeah. The threat, the threat of death, um, rainbow possum farm, like we are headed down, like if we continue the track that we've been doing for the past little bit, 60 years, we'll be out of soil. I always remember exponential theory that it's actually faster than 60 years. We're in like the last doubling period for a lot of resources and it's not so far off it's actually like close we i think we hit peak prosperity in 2018 2019 somewhere in there and then we're sliding down the backside of most

28:55 curves at this point that's why the economy's in shambles that's why it's like tech's getting worse you know we've hit peak technology so anyway that's just my observation you may see it differently you may think the world's still getting better and we still have 60 more years until we hit that peak and then we'll slide down, but I'm pretty sure we're already sliding out the back, which is why I encourage everyone to do natural farming because it's sovereignty. Get free, get free before you get pulled down by the whole thing. I like the fact that eyewitness does the shock factor with

29:23 the can of fuel. I did it yesterday actually had my dad brought a friend over and open a bucket. I'm like, this is just fish and sugar. And he's like, that smells pretty good. And it's like, heck yeah, it even tastes better. I should have him taste it. I didn't, I need to be drinking more of that. Just improve myself, right? Just improve myself. Um, and Christoph saying for me, meaning and connection, connecting back to things. Um, yeah. Connecting back to nature, building family, building local community sovereignty. Oh, what's up, Mark? Mark in the house. Yo, yo, yo. Um,

30:00 I love your hot pot meals meeting with the month. Oh yeah. Potluck. Um, Yeah. Um, yeah. So there are a bunch of resources out there on my channel, if you explore it, but having people like none of it's clickbaity, it's all like long two hour lectures where you'll learn a lot, but it's not like, it's not in, it's not like in the TikTok vibes. Right. Um, so anyway, I, I, uh, I'm glad people do, you guys have the attention span and know the knowledge and find what you find when you find it. You're like, that's good and dig in

30:35 and go, but it's not, it doesn't have the same like glitter or gleam out there. You know, like I don't have cat videos. I'm not blowing things up. I'm not, um, you know, giving money out, you know, the classic YouTube, like I'm going to spend a thousand dollars on this. It's like, you know, the classic YouTube sucks you into it thing. So printer bear, I got a question. Let's, let's get out of that, uh, rant and things. Cause that was like a half hour of good time, but, but please help me out and think of this and think of how you can do it yourself. And

31:04 try and grow the movement is I guess the summary of that half hour of goodness. So any thoughts on using root tips for a can of food? I allegedly root tips are higher in cytokinins and I'm thinking about root tip can of food of high manganese plants that may help in the reproductive formula. So yeah, so let's go, let's pull up the book here and get into it a little bit of, um, root tips for, um, making a can of food. So, um, let's go this one here and do that. Get the book. We'll pull up this for can of food. Um, if you're going to make a can of food, um,

31:54 let's see, here we go. Can of food making a, you know, it's also fermenting plant juice. Um, and so a can of food made from root tips you can gather the roots you can gather the roots but instead of washing them off just shake off any excess dirt so it says right here shake off any excess dirt so just shake that beat it around beat it around until you get off majority of the dirt with your roots and then follow this same recipe and most likely you'll be in the one-third ratio because roots are not that sugary and go ahead and ferment those and then pack them into

32:30 a vessel and do this and you will get the hormones and everything that's in the roots and I would say probably makes sense to do where the growth tips are done early in the morning I would say do the roots like midday because most of the plant will suck its energy down into its roots midday so do a gathering midday and then mix the roots one third with sugar. Probably it's going to be your sweet spot. And pack them into a vessel and do this. And then let them ferment. You know, I make it from ginger, turmeric, all those things are either their roots or their rhizomes, or, you know,

33:14 I think they're rhizomes. But amazing amount of liquid in there and do those things. The other thing that I know folks do, especially with that flour that you can't mention on YouTube, is they will go through this process to get nutrients out of them. So they will ferment, make a can of food, and then once, instead of pouring it off, they'll then add in the alcohol and go through the can of food recipe. So same thing, you can take the roots, the brown sugar, make the can of food recipe, which is symbolized by this down here. And then once it's done,

33:50 Then you add in the alcohol into this and then go through this tincturing process to make it into more of a medicine to gather out some of those properties. However, both are probably effective. I would say, you know, do what works for you. Experiment. See if you want to go this direction, this route. But roots sometimes have these other compounds that are not as easy to extract through a water-soluble fermentation, which is, this is a water-soluble fermentation with slight alcohol. And then this is an alcohol extraction tincturing process. So both of these will work for you, but

34:31 you know, it depends what properties you're after out of the plant. So I would try both those, either of those, see what, see what works for you, report back, give us some info, see how it went for you and see all that. So, um, we got Nate coming in from Tennessee here. Um, and, uh, tough spreading the way here, just showing them by example. They don't want to listen to you show results. Yes. I mean, I think that's also a good thing to do is instead of trying to attract people, show the results, be healthy, maybe have a healthy garden, have,

35:10 you know, top-notch produce and people will turn into it. Yeah, you're right, Nate. I mean, that is the ultimate solution. But I'm talking about like learning material for noobs, you know, like once you do show them, how do you get them in, right? How do you, how do you get them in? I don't know. I don't know. Anyway. So that's what permaculture and people's book talk about, the down slope of resources and scaling back. Yeah. Tune into Nate Hagen's The Great Simplification. and KNF is still by far the best practical introduction to natural farming. I'm from a low

35:44 income, so independence was absolutely key and success for me. Yep. I mean, having something that's affordable, easy. Oh, I meant the big island. What's up, Tyler? Yeah, no, easy. Um, um, I love all your early stuff from Hawaiian Sanctuary. Those are all great videos. yeah I think they are they're just long they're long um you teach I don't feel that you crusade some people focus on the end of the world but you are just get to the answers um yeah um we can all freak out and just take care of you not fight on the internet daily

36:26 what fighting on the internet what's what's the point of life without fighting on the internet yeah yeah so root tips cool um um yeah um okay question jonathan we got a question here i put fruit and vegetable scraps in plastic container during the winter now i have mush and juice should i add brown sugar um no no no uh if you've already no the brown sugar so no if you've already rotted something together like you probably if you're doing like a bokashi you want to store compost over the winter I would go by putting in

37:12 these protectors into there and into your thing and do like more of a bokashi type of thing so oh you can't see where I'm looking I'm looking here I would add these protectors in there into your thing while you're collecting your fruits food scraps and this would then make like a bokashi type of thing. And then, um, and then I would just use it more like a, uh, fermented plant extract where you'd add water to that and go more Jadam method. Adding brown sugar to something that's already been digested and broken down the whole point is no good. It's no

37:47 good to add the brown sugar. The whole point of the brown sugar is in this recipe. It osmotically pulls out the plant material through osmosis. So if your plant material is already broken down, there's no sense to add the brown sugar to do osmosis, to do, you know, it's already fermented, it's already done its thing. And so you have mush and juice, I would just dilute that 1 to 100 and spray it out, you're doing more of this disgustingly cheap food than you are doing with a, um, a K&F food. So adding, um, adding brown sugar to something that's already broken

38:29 down, you're not going to realize the same value. And what I would tell you is one other thing, um, is that if you become a member of the PureKNF Foundation, that, let me see here, get this side by side like this. If you go to pureknf.org and you become a member, you are then able to watch the micro documentaries. And a great resource for what you're talking about is actually this interview, this documentary right here. This is Cab Baber, and he's talking about Bokashi wisdom, and he's talking about exactly what you're doing,

39:16 like composting in the way you're talking about, and he has just amazing resources for you. So it's a good 20, 30-minute interview with Cab. He's a Bokashi master. Um, and, and, um, he will talk to you about, um, you know, this, so, so, you know, it's 60 bucks for a whole year of this and you get to watch all these documentaries. Plus you get to get in on the monthly meetings and all the other things that members get. Um, and so I'd highly recommend, you know, uh, it's worth it, you know, uh, join in,

39:59 become part of a good community support the office hours all these great things that you get but cab is a master at bokashi so he's talking about exactly what you're talking about jonathan so well worth checking out that um and eyewitness saying just throw out a compost pile you can do that too um it's it'll it'll be a you know uh get your thing going i like big west's advice to turn off the TV and the fear mongers. Um, and then how does it smell? Yeah. So yeah. Talking about that. What's up, Allie? We've got Missoula in the house. Started the FAA two years ago with salmon and brown

40:37 sugar and a cooler in my basement. Not, it's a mushy mush with some bones. How do I process this stuff? It smells like fish sauce. Just pour it off. Uh, it's ready to go. Um, if I look at the book here and I go to the food or the fuel and you can't see what I'm doing right now, but, um, but yeah, no, your, your fish amino acid is good to go. So, um, so take, you know, if you've put in the, the sugar and fish stuff and, uh, you know, in your cooler, it's fine. And then the last thing to do is to step six, pour off the liquid and you should have amazingly good stuff. Um, and you

41:18 don't need to add sugar or anything. It's already super saturated. You just, I just extract it into small usable bottles. I usually reuse my vodka bottles from the medicine recipe because they're nice, good bottles. And I just pour it off and then use it. And the typical dilution for this is, um, one to 1000. Um, but you can look up at all these formulations here and you'll see fuel is used in all these recipes right here. And sometimes it's diluted one to 3000. So one to 3000, one to 1000, one to 1000, one to 3000. So it is extremely potent and good stuff and you can

41:56 use it. It adds the fuel to the fire. If you throw too much gasoline on a fire, it'll just explode at you. So you got to add it, the fuel very slowly at the right rate and, but it'll help you out. and that is how to add that in there. I'm glad you made the fuel recipe. That's great. You can do things like eyewitness and eat it in front of people and scare them. And so, yeah, so I found KNF because I was looking for an easier way to teach people that are looking to learn when people eat our food and try our medicine. and they usually want to know exactly what we're doing. Yes.

42:40 So having things you can eat that shock value, you know, the in search of balance shock value of eating your fertilizers. I think that's super attractive. If you can eat your fertilizer and eat your food, I, yeah, how can you not be attracted to this farming method? And it produces better and lower costs and higher yields, all these other good side effects. um yeah so question i have an imo2 with several different colored molds can i just remove them and use the imo2 so if you were talking about your storage jars um here we'll go down here

43:20 to seed imo second step which people usually call imo2 which is a preserved seed imo so it's the microbes and sugar equally, you know, equal part of seed IMO, equal part of sugar. That's why this scale is balanced, mixed together in a jar or some sort of breathable container that you've started in and you are getting different microbes growing on the surface. That's fine. Sometimes they'll bloom out. Just make sure the smell is not rotten when you're smelling it and it doesn't smell very putrid. It should smell like koji or, um, you know, some, some sort of

43:58 like fermented smell. It should not smell rotten. The only color that I would warn you against is if you have reds, if you have a bunch of red growing on top of your IMO, uh, stored your seed IMO preserved, I would be somewhat skeptical, maybe not use that batch. Um, but if it's yellows, pinks, blues, greens, you know, rainbow color besides red, you're good to go. Um, and should be fine. Sometimes you will get, um, especially if it's stored for a while, you will get different, uh, microbes blooming out on the very surface of the, um, of your solution. It's just, you know,

44:40 it's just a natural thing. So you don't have to scrape them off or anything. Just use it without, scraping them off or anything you just go for it um long is lovely i use the saucer only black soil yes cool um um so shadow racer what's up um i was you watching one of your videos on the knf medicine on youtube and you made it from ginger garlic and olena how much of each do you need to make this? How much of each do I need to make this version of OHN? Just add, well, so first off, if you are using something besides garlic, ginger, licorice, cinnamon, angelica,

45:25 and in the combo, it's not called OHN anymore. Just call it your medicine and your indigenous medicine because that'll confuse it with Master Cho's original version of OHN, and I don't want to dilute his thing. It's a very specific reason he's using those things. Even if you read in the old literature and you're reading on the medicine recipe, this old book here, and you will see my handwritten note on the medicine saying, um, where is it? Somewhere in here. You'll see my handwritten note, um, somewhere that you can use turmeric in place of ginger. Um, that's my

46:05 handwritten note, uh, you know, it's don't, uh, don't take that to be like good because this was a base stuff. I took a lot of these notes when I was listening to Gil, um, and he'll say different things, but, you know, try not to, um, um, try not to demean or, you know, undermine master chose recipes, but, um, but you just use it, you know, basically if I was to look at my book here and we'll go to go to the book and we'll go to the medicine place um we'll look at that and you could just add one of these so one of these going in where you have a garlic a ginger a licorice a

46:48 cinnamon two angelicas you could also add in a turmeric as well into this so you'd need as much as equal parts of these other things to add in and you could get you know different benefits from the turmeric. There's whole reasons to use turmeric. There's reasons not to. Um, and it's, it's a good, I think it's a pretty much good thing to add on the side as well into there. So you would have a, you know, uh, what is it? A seventh ingredient going into here. Um, but yeah, um, so anyway, I try not to, I want to teach you good things. And then I also don't want to

47:23 undermine master Cho and his original teachings because they're great. Um, so hopefully that clarifies it. If it doesn't, sorry. Um, subsidy. We got West Africa in the house, Senegal. Yo, yo. Um, um, so bonds, what's up bonds. Yo, we got, we got Portland in the house. Um, what do day and night temps need to be at, to do an IMO rice collection? Um, it's best um collecting your IMOs are best in spring so now about time and um but the key is just to get more insulative layers on top of your IMO if it's getting

48:14 really cold at night just putting enough duff and leaves and other things you can scrape from around the area and cover your area, you can make it even better. Um, there is, uh, um, if I go, so, so just insulate it better or put a, put even like a sleeping bag over it, like layer something on top. Um, if I do go to, um, my YouTube channel here, let's see if I can find it, um, relatively quickly. But if you watch a YouTube video, oh man, how the heck would I even find this? I'm going to go to my videos here and see. It is where they're doing it in Korea.

49:01 And it's not just our thing. Well, here's one. Here's one recipe. I'll pull this video up um, of a way to do it. And then, um, they're, they're actually doing this in Korea. Um, trying to look through here and it's, and it's all in Korean. Um, which, which is why I can't, I don't think I can search for it that easy. Um, but they show, you know, basically they're doing it in a cold environment. Korea gets, is as cold as it is up in Portland. Shoot, am I getting close to it? It's hard to find things live. It's hard to find things in general. YouTube's not necessarily the best thing to

49:49 find things quickly or easily. Let's see. Oh man, because it's all in Korean. Is that now? Man, there's so many videos too. You could just go here through here for days. Oh, here it is. Um, yeah, here it is. Cool. I found it. So, oh gosh, I, last time I played this, I got copyrighted, but here's them going out into a forest. Um, I'm going to mute them and play this a little bit. Hopefully this doesn't demonetize, but they put their IMOs down and then, you know, they're in the forest and this is Korea, which is going to be as cold as you see how much forest duff

50:27 they're putting on there. Like they're not just like burying it a little bit. Like they made a mound that they buried this okay now they're harvesting it but you know they got great imos so if you see that this is like straight up like you know official koreans in a korean forest like look at them just mounding this stuff up over over the um the microbe collection so i just wanted to share that with you and then also mute this one and this is where we're doing it inside in a greenhouse. So this is another method. If you're doing it in winter and you're worried

51:04 about the temperature being too cold, you can actually bring the forest to you and bring the forest duff inside and put it in some container like this and then moisten the leaves up to about 50% moisture. And then they're digging a little area inside. So this is just forest duff. It's not just leaves. It's like kind of the broken down leaves where all the good IMOs are and a little bit of soil and all that. And then they're digging a pit. And then after that pit, they're putting their rice box into, you know, putting the rice in the box, putting the box, then,

51:41 you know, man, this takes forever. And then putting, you know, a cover on that and then putting it down into the area and then covering it up. So once it's added there, then they're, you know, burying this, um, so that this is then heaped, you know, and you see how he's making, like, you got to have that distance over it. So there we're heaping the leaf material over. And so even though this is Korea and this was like early, um, I think this was October-ish, uh, it was, you know, it's relatively cold. You just bury it, bury that box down there.

52:21 And so you're not burying it with like plastic to cut off air, but you're burying it with like this aerobic stuff in the deeper you bury it, um, the more insulative it is to the cold. So, um, so anyway, hopefully, hopefully that's helpful for you to understand those two things. Cause you know, so it's, it's, and it's a matter of then feeling under the box. Did it, did it, um, you know, work or not do, you know, and so burying that stuff really good stuff here. Let's see. Okay. We are, um, yeah. So anyway, I must skip through a few of these

53:02 things, you know, uh, composting, Bokashi's, all those good things. Any more news on the payment options for membership? Um, we, it's written in our bylaws. We have to take payment upfront, but it's 60 bucks. So, um, hopefully, uh, it's up to you for it to be disciplined, put away five bucks for, you know, uh, a year and you'll have enough to join, um, 10 bucks, 20 bucks, you know, three months of putting away 20 bucks and you'll have enough to joined. Um, kombucha bottle. Okay. Okay. Um, um, so, uh, Tyler's asking, uh, he has some chicks

53:48 hatching currently in the incubators. Have I ever had to intervene after it's been more than 24 hours from the start of them trying to unzip? So if a chicken is not going to easily break out of its shell, it's usually weak and it's going to die anyway. So there's no point in helping them out of the shell. It's just chicken, chicken raising, hatching chickens is a pretty brutal process in that you have a fair amount of chickens that, you know, sometimes I'll have chickens born with their intestines on the outside, or sometimes they won't break out of their shell, but you

54:18 cannot help them out of the shell because they're probably going to die anyway. It's just, they're a weak chicken. If they didn't have enough strength to get out of their own shell, you can't help them. So you'll hear them peeping in there. And if they really, if they don't get out after 12 hours or so, they're probably not going to make it. Uh, even if you helped them out, they're probably going to die within the next bit of time. It's just, it's just how it is. You can talk straight from master Cho. You can talk, you know, someone asked him that question. He said,

54:44 if they don't make it out of their own shell, they're probably not going to live. And he's, you know, he doesn't have a solution for that besides, um, you know, making sure that the hens are healthy when they're laying the eggs. Um, um what are my best tricks to succeed when collecting IMO I think those tips I just gave are pretty good I mostly end up with dry rice in my IMO collection box greetings from Sweden um insulating it better and if you're if your rice is drying out too much cook it with a little

55:17 bit more water you know we say to cook it dry but um it that moisture is the is the is the thing And I just want to show you real quick here on these thumbnails this was suggesting. Look at this IMO that got suggested here. This one. Oh, gosh. Someone made an IMO 1 video, and they're saying to collect this. This is not the IMO you're looking for. This is an anaerobic. I would give this like a D- collection here. This is not the IMO you're looking for. Let's go back to this one here and go to the Koreans and look at the IMO they collect.

55:54 collected, this is the IMO they collected. This is the IMO you're looking for. So when you just see a random person on YouTube suggesting that this is the IMO you're looking for, oh gosh, watch out. And there's, you know, and if you're just going to put it on the surface like this and cover it with a cage and not bury it with leaves, your mileage will vary. I know this guy's popular, but this is not the world's best method here. And so this way, look how beautiful their IMOs are. This is exactly what you're looking for. So, um, just be careful, you know, these are not

56:28 the microbes you're looking for. So the more popular this gets, the more people that try, you know, teach that don't have necessarily, um, rogue regenerative. So this is, this is somebody that, uh, you know, is tertiarily taught and, uh, no offense against him, but, um, man, that is not the IMO. Why would you make that your thumbnail when you're like promulgating bad data to people? so anyway um so yeah um and we got reed soul music just made some i or ohn awesome made it initiated in you should get an orange hat you know we got sweden in the house man is

57:07 i love this global community um uh gregory okay okay alfalfa meal awesome i'm glad big big Wes is doing it, making the alfalfa meal back. Um, yeah, yeah. And in moisture, moisture is the most important thing for collecting, uh, your IMOs for the environment. And I, you know, it's like, you know, like another thing to do is just like, do a couple, try it a couple of times until you get really good looking IMO and just go at it and try different moisture levels, try different baskets, try different areas, try different things.

57:44 like because I can't tell you because I'm not like if I came to your area I'd be like okay you need to do this this and this but there's so many scenarios out there it's just but moisture is the most important most important is the moisture um water is life right um bamboo collection box yes awesome smart um yeah in making IMO 4 yeah the max temp is 120 organic rules say compost temps are higher? Are there any issues going higher? Yes, if you make an IMO collection above 120, those are not the microbes you're going for. Those are the breaking down microbes. So

58:22 composting, you're not composting. That's what you have to understand is you're not using anything that would require you through organic standards to compost. You're doing a specialized mulch process and you're not composting. So because you're not using pathogenic things, you don't have to go through the rules to do organic. And if you go up to 140 and you keep it there for three days, like you have to for a compost, you're going, that's not the microbes you're looking for. That's not the IMO process. You've now grown a bunch of microbes that are not the ones you're looking for.

58:57 IMO is a very specific, very specific thing. And so just don't even like if you're, if you're organic standards, if you can't get around them, then just make IMO 2 and make a liquid. So make the collected seed IMOs and then just make a liquid from them instead of going the whole IMO 4 route. There's a bunch of reasons to go to IMO 4, but if you can't get around your standards, then don't. You're going to be better off using seed IMO than you are bad IMO 4. Like bad IMO is like the bane of everything and it's a very complex process. And it's like Master Cho will

59:33 make it seem like it's easy. It's highly complex and, um, extremely difficult to get right. Especially if you don't know what you're doing or you're just trying to learn from the internet. Like you can, you can go for instance and say like, Oh, I got good IMO. Cause you watch this video and it's like, that's terrible. IMO your whole process. You wasted all this time doing that. I mean, no offense to that guy. Um, but yeah, but, uh, you know, sorry, not sorry. Um, Anyway, yeah, two-thirds error, all this stuff. Very important, very important. Yeah, okay, deep enough. Don't click on those.

1:00:11 I'm on a source now. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, great. Yeah, finding a good feature, good source. Man, is any... Okay, I'll ask it later. Will OHN go bad when each ingredient is kept separate? No. the cool thing about ohn is that if you notice in my book i have all these ingredients stored separately if you keep them stored separately they will micronize the only way ohn can go bad is you don't have an airtight seal and the air in the alcohol will evaporate and leave your solution once you've had the alcohol leave your solution it is no longer effective in the way that it's

1:00:53 supposed to be. And so that's the really only way OHN can go bad is, well, you probably also want to protect it from sunlight because that can degrade things. So keep it in like a dark brown bottle or in the shade. And you don't have an airtight seal. Those are the only ways OHN can go really bad or you add water to it or something, you know, like, but if you just follow the recipe and keep it airtight, you should, there's no way this should go better or go bad. And it should get better stored each one there so um and yeah so yeah and so stonemason saying it's better and

1:01:31 better i'm a four comments yep um so ray you found that ray the same weekend in california and coal grows storehouses before yeah um yeah okay um like over seven years old no ohn should be better and better. Seven-year-old OHN? Well, number one, you need to do more KNF, man. Get out there, spray it, you know, use it more, drink it. But no, seven-year-old OHN should be fine. It's just like an old whiskey. You know, they'll have like 20, 40-year-old whiskeys that you can drink. They should be better and better, smoother and smoother. Yeah, better barrier from the wind.

1:02:14 Burying your collection. I always recommend burying your collection, putting it under, you know some areas um that's the good stuff yeah okay um i've been bringing home leaf mold and nice fungal development on sticks but from out in the country where i work put them in the composter feed it fish only it has turned into into a cool living thing yeah so composting doing all those things you know um it's great making imos you know but you you're really after the forest fungal IMOs like there's a big misconception with IMO that it's just like whatever grows it's

1:02:52 like no it's the forest fungal stuff it's that layer that's right there it's it's that top inch of soil it's that duff it's that it's that living part it's it's you know for me it's the top inch because I'm in very tropical conditions and it breaks down quick but um oh okay so with that we'll go slight overtime maybe because I gotta I did say I was gonna do my dad and we didn't even you know, I ended up just talking about how to spread more KNF, but if you were brand new, one way would be get this book. It is, it's a very, um, inexpensive, not good way to go about

1:03:29 it, but it gets you there. And I say not good. I mean, it's just, it's like, I guess it's, it's like, it's good. It's good. It's just not, it's just not like this guy. Good. This guy, his methods just like prime superior, but these are easy, simple can start. So, um, you know, um, and if you're struggling with the, the IMOs and stuff, you can just go. And in fact, I'm just going to use my book to get into the medag today, but just, you know, bring it down here. I don't know. We may have already covered this, but, uh, we'll go through it that, um,

1:04:06 um, and yeah, no, maybe not, you know what, maybe we'll just leave this for next time and just leave it as an, as a thing to the imagination. And maybe next time we'll start with the midage and maybe, um, we'll get into it deeper. I don't know. I don't know. Try to bring good things, try to go, you know, but, uh, hopefully you learned a lot from this episode, seeing the Korean way of doing it. You know, I don't know how many of you have truly explored the, my YouTube channel and those offerings. Cause it's like, man, my channel, even, even I go back and I watch my channel and it's

1:04:44 like videos, like there are, you know, here's this learning center and there's all these things, you know, small farm financing, KNF application, growth stages explained, plant juice, mulch IPM, you know ultra low cost pest solutions you know let me just drop you know because we didn't get to the medag and let me just drop this one in the chat because here you go this is me talking about medag and you you know this video has an absurdly low view count this has only 389 views and um and this here is telling you ultra low cost pest solutions right this is like straight up

1:05:27 teaching you about these pest solutions and why is there only 389 views and let me drop this one in here this is you know using knf farm life revive the earth like this is using the the you know okay so the recording's bad i'm not gonna lie i just put my ipad on the ground and recorded this but this has absurdly low view counts like you know and then and then it gets a uh i love it It has a climate change warning below it. Like, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. But this has 428 views seven years ago. Let's try and see if we can get the view counts up for these two videos.

1:06:09 You know, middle click on them, open them in a new tab, watch them after this. Because I didn't get to madadge this day, but at least I can share these two resources where I've already talked about it. And this is our monthly meetings, right? I would go and do these at the monthly meetings and share these things and talk about it. All right. 389 views. That's ghetto, right? Come on. Let's, let's see. Did it, did the view count go up on a refresh list? Did anyone else three is still 389. Who's not watching this right now? Come on. What are you doing?

1:06:38 But anyway, I'm going to come back to these videos. I'm going to keep this tab open. We're going to see, did the view count go up? We're going to start next episode with this. Did the view count go up on this video? Did anyone watch it? Do we care? have we shared this have we liked have we subscribed you know um gently press that like button you know i you know people always tell you to smash it but let's just press it gently anyway i don't know i mean i agree they're terrible recordings but it's like man just you know anyway

1:07:09 um there's tons like you can go to this channel and be like oh my gosh there's so much information maybe that's one of the problems there's so much information but you can go listen to people do peer-reviewed studies on this in korea you can listen to you know me going through these waste digesters going to an old pear farm man you could you know how's this one a sustainable food panel only 121 views let me tell you about sustainability 93 views like man i can't believe i had such uh you know dedicated oh this one this one's good this one has 977 views that one's that one's okay

1:07:49 there part nine of a series it's interesting and mark was talking about these ones of the um getting started with imo and natural farming these ones these ones actually maybe it's because the title's better but these ones actually there's part six here coming down oh and then there's There's Jadam in Hilo. You can get a full lecture. 300. Oh, so how's this one? 387 views for a complete Jadam lecture. One hour and 43 minutes of seeing the man himself, Young Song Cho. Only 387 views. There's only 387 people out there that have watched more than 30 seconds of this video.

1:08:30 But there is this one here. Getting closer, getting closer, getting closer. This one here. This one has 37,000 views, right? So this is the Hawaiian sanctuary one that Mark was talking about. And you can see these here, you know, Pierre K&F getting started with IMO natural farming, 37,000 views, right? So a few of my videos actually have been watched, you know, significantly. And some people have watched this entire series. Raise your hand if you have, you know, drop in the comments below, bro, or sister or, you know, um, you know, non-binary folks, you know, um, like, you know, anyway, um,

1:09:11 so anyway, um, oh, oh yeah, Cheryl has, Cheryl has OHN and FAA for sale, so hit Cheryl up in Idaho, check that out if you want it get it good um yeah no i always promote people selling doing these things um so anyway and i'm just you know i want to thank you we're a bit of overtime because i was just trying to promote this stuff maybe i'm breaking unity i don't know uh doing these things um but um oh i'm pretty sure the one with 37 000 is what got me subscribed to you yeah that one's pretty good huh i watched that series four times yes you can always watch it on two times speed

1:09:59 and watch it while you're out doing things download it on your phone you know um and the current kind of yeah those are all good things okay caress that like button i like that that that i may uh may pinch from you lucas caress that like button just once though um so cool well i'm glad you know we get um get a lapel mic and shut people up yeah yeah you know i did i did actually go and improve my tech abilities and all those things and then once i got good cameras and things then i just didn't make films anymore so

1:10:38 oh oh there's no liquid but mush okay ali you're like you're like lagged back but um just push it through a strainer I don't know throw some papain enzyme in there I don't know something to break it down I don't know why there's just mush and no liquid I don't know I don't know I don't know okay and yeah Mark's watched these things cool yeah that's why Mark's tuned in that's why he came out take the class all these good things it's good it sounds not perfect but the info is good right you can get over those things that's always my thought

1:11:17 was like people can get past this if you really if i'm into info i'm not really caring you know so anyway okay is there a store on the big island where i can get dry source ingredients for making oh and you can try um ko natural foods they have an apothecary and you can ask them to bring in the herbs and they probably will do that so ko natural foods go talk to wes uh west fuji my classmate was jessica fuji so you can mention oh how's jess doing oh yeah oh yes you get the kind um angelica i like some uh make sure you get that good kind not the kind with poison uh kos shoot see you

1:11:54 later i'm not sure he's still working there but he was the original uh guy that made that star west fuji shout out to west fuji um anyway when you live big island your whole life okay anyway I'm going to get out of here before I get banned. And thanks for tuning in. I'll see you next week. Because I'm not going to Maui. I was supposed to go to Maui. It's got pushed back to June. So I'm not going to Maui next week. Yay. I'll be here doing this. Hanging out. No, no. And there's no dumb questions. 3D artists are welcome. I am a computer programmer myself. I am a, you know, I have a BS in CS.

1:12:36 So there's no dumb questions and there's no, you know, tuning, turning into the true 3D artist, which is the soil and the earth. No, no worries, man. Everyone's welcome. I want to make sure everyone feels good. And I'm, you know, even if I'm breaking through and breaking unity and, you know, I hope that I am inviting and more people want to join. And I'm never condescending, even though sometimes, you know, it may come off that way. It's through the Internet, right? It's hard. We don't, you can't feel my good vibes, man. So anyway, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for being there.

1:13:12 Next Sunday, tune in and become a member of the Pure KNF thing. Because we got Stephen Cornett coming to talk to us. Not at this, but at the 2 p.m. meeting, not the 9 a.m. meeting. And that's only for members. So pureknf.com. Thanks for supporting this, making it happen, being part of the world, making things great. Cool. All right. Um, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks. Okay, I gotta go before we just continue and go for another 15 minutes. It's the hour, office hour and 15 minutes. Okay, I gotta get out of here. Go, go, go. Run away, run away, run away. Oh, really slowly. Okay, cool.

1:13:53 See ya.