Cucumber Beetle Armor, No-Smell Chicken Coop, Biochar for Dry Soil
Drake opens with the I Ching hexagram for Enthusiasm, then works through a backlog of emailed questions. A JADAM solution that shows no drench effect on a first spray is fine — dilute it further, even 10:1, to stretch coverage. Indoor IMO collection at 50°F is too cold; bury leaf mold at least 20cm and insulate. For cucumber beetles boring into fruit, spray structure (calcium phosphate) and reproduction (charred eggshell calcium) to harden the skin.
For IMO3/4, dog food and wood chips work as a mill-run substitute, a thin pile keeps temperatures under control, and wood chips inoculated with IMO3 or IMO4 plus lactobacillus and maintenance make a no-smell chicken coop — Drake used this setup for Cornish cross meat birds. Fermented plant juice lasts about a year from growth tips, up to three years from fruit.
On weeds: spraying microbes won't kill them directly, but building up fungus relative to bacteria slows the soil's nitrogen cycle, which favors trees and perennials over fast-cycling weeds — a shift that takes a season or two. Citrus greening in Florida traces partly to manganese deficiency, but restoring root-fungus symbiosis matters more than adding minerals alone.
For dry, windy conditions, inoculated biochar (real charred wood, not briquettes) holds moisture in the soil. Drake also covers OHN substitutes (garlic and ginger for angelica and licorice), warns against feeding JMS to pigs, and shares a University of Hawaiʻi paper identifying IMO bacteria species like Bacillus subtilis.
Questions answered
- 8:13 1000L ultra-low-cost JADAM solution sprayed with no drench effect—problem? — Not a problem on a first drench; dilute the batch further, even 10:1, to cover more ground and help it soak in.
- 11:19 Day 14 IMO collection outdoors at 50°F/10°C, no white growth, some mold, bugs got in—abort? — Follow the indoor IMO method instead, bury the leaf mold at least 20cm, and insulate; 50°F outside is too chilly.
- 12:43 What dilution of maintenance solution replaces morning coffee? — A spoonful of maintenance plus a spoonful of reproduction (calcium), diluted to taste in water.
- 17:02 Second IMO3 batch using dog food and wood chips, thin pile—on the right track? — Yes, dog food's fats, oils, and mill run give the microbes enough energy to thrive; keeping the pile thin controls temperature.
- 20:56 What IPM do you use for cucumber beetles boring into cucumbers? — Spray structure (calcium phosphate) and reproduction (calcium) to harden the fruit skin so beetles can't bite through.
- 31:49 What's the ideal carbohydrate for making IMO3/4? — Mill run, the bran left from milling white rice, gives the right balance of fats, oils, and carbs; dog food works as a substitute.
- 34:05 Do you char eggshells for reproduction indoors? — Bake them in the oven at about 350°F instead of charring them outdoors.
- 34:50 Can wood chips make a no-smell chicken coop? — Lay 3-4 inches of wood chips, inoculate with IMO3 or IMO4, then spray lactobacillus and maintenance on top.
- 36:26 Will spraying cheap microbes kill unwanted weeds? — Not directly, but building fungus-heavy biology slows the nitrogen cycle so weeds lose their edge over trees and perennials.
- 44:40 Is manganese deficiency causing citrus greening? — Partly, but restoring soil microbes matters more since chemical fertilizer kills the root-fungus symbiosis that finds manganese for the tree.
- 46:54 How long does a can of food (fermented plant juice) last in storage? — About a year if made from growth tips, up to three years if made from fruit.
- 49:45 Worried about nitrogen and mineral balance—what should I add? — Use KNF minerals, diluted seawater, for every element, then let good biology balance the rest.
- 52:56 How do you plant in dry, windy conditions with low rainfall? — Add big chunks of real charred wood biochar inoculated with IMOs to hold moisture, plus wood chip mulch.
- 53:45 Angelica and licorice won't grow here for OHN—substitutes? — Use garlic and ginger, the way it's done in the Philippines; don't let a missing ingredient stop you from starting.
- 1:04:23 Can I feed JMS to pigs? — No; feed pig food fermented with IMO4 and KNF protectors instead.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Intro and welcome
- 1:19 I Ching reading: hexagram 16, Enthusiasm
- 8:13 JADAM solution dilution and no drench effect
- 11:19 Collecting IMO outdoors at 50°F vs indoor seedIMO
- 12:43 Goat and human maintenance drink; calcium for teeth
- 17:02 Dog food and wood chips as IMO3 substrate
- 20:56 Cucumber beetles: structure and reproduction sprays
- 23:19 Mint: FPJ, JHS, or OHN
- 30:59 Epigenetics and DNA
- 31:49 Ideal carbohydrate ratio for IMO3/4
- 34:05 Charring eggshells indoors for reproduction
- 34:50 No-smell chicken coop with wood chips
- 36:26 Do cheap microbes kill weeds? Biological succession
- 44:40 Manganese deficiency and citrus greening
- 46:54 How long fermented plant juice lasts in storage
- 48:29 Liebig, chemistry vs biology, mineral balancing
- 52:56 Planting in dry, windy conditions with biochar
- 59:33 Research paper on IMO bacteria species
- 1:05:04 Closing: donations, books, next episode
Transcript
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0:30 Hey, good morning, good day wherever you are out in the world, and happy to see you guys. What's up, Julia from Finland? Glad you could make it in, and I want to welcome you guys here. It's May 15th, Sunday And feeling a little bit better than I was last week So that's good, I think I'll be able to make it the full hour with you guys And answer some questions, got a few from last week Piled up in my email, but I wanted to start
1:17 With a little bit of some higher guidance From our good book, the I Ching here and today's hexagram is number 16 which is thunder over earth and it is enthusiasm i think i got this one before but it says proper enthusiasm opens every door the i Ching teaches us there's two kinds of enthusiasm one that leads to misfortune and one that leads to success This hexagram comes as a sign you can proceed with confidence now if your enthusiasm is properly founded.
2:02 Improper enthusiasm is fueled by desires of the ego. People often desire recognition, wealth, power, or freedom from difficulty. Such desires can become so great, will do anything to achieve them. Our energy rises as we wildly pursue our goal, but this unruly and egotistical enthusiasm ultimately leads us into incorrect and imbalanced behavior and into misfortune. proper enthusiasm on the other hand is fueled by a devotion to attaining and expressing inner balance and inner truth
2:51 when your aim is not to influence others or to satisfy your ego but to follow the guidance of a higher power in all you do, you acquire another kind of energy. A balanced and bottomless eagerness for living in step with what is right and good. In this, there's true power and true grace. This hexagram reminds you that striving out of your ego now will only push you further away from your goals. Seek instead to follow proper principles. Keep to what is innocent, correct, and kind,
3:40 and the creative will come to your aid. The path of truth is always the path of least resistance. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel that sometimes, I feel sometimes some folks want to just help natural farming because they want to be famous or they want to be, um, you know, the best at this or that and want to flex on certain things. But for me, I've been trying to stay in this humble space, been really trying to come at it from correct and balanced ways and just thankful that folks are
4:29 showing up that I can help and um and to see your success you know that is that I think that's that right fueled um thing with natural farming you know I'm not just trying to like be here and get rich and like do all this. It's, um, you know, there's, there's a lot of different approaches people take to teaching and the reasons they do it. And I've really been trying to stay steady towards, you know, what is, what is my truth? What is my enthusiasm? How can I get in alignment with, you know, what God wants me to do? Um, but on this planet, I learned these things and, um,
5:10 happen to be at the right place at the right time, you know. I don't know what would have happened had Master Cho come, you know, was here and I didn't learn. I don't know if this would come out to the world and it would be this huge movement, you know. I just got really lucky and, you know, like Spider-Man says, you know, with great power comes great responsibility. And so since I've been learning this, I thought, you know, this office hour is a great way to share and helping people, you know, putting out videos. Like a thousand people checked out the how to do IMO indoors.
5:56 So in the last week, which was amazing to help a thousand people through the Internet. So hope I come in with the right enthusiasm. hope you guys are here with the right enthusiasm you know to really get in alignment with what does god want us to do for the planet for the people you know sure you got to make a little bit of money on this stuff but really it's about um you know doing doing the right things and so hopefully you have the right enthusiasm and hopefully it gives you this bottomless energy and i'm feeling
6:27 a little better this week so thanks thanks everyone for your cares and wishes and thoughts and, you know, everything that a lot of people reached out to me just to say, hey, you know, thinking about you. And I really appreciate that. And everyone who's out there supporting, you know, there's actually a couple of emails I got to get back to of people just sending me really nice, nice things. And I just got to get back to that. So anyway, want to get off the thanking you guys and all that, but, uh, I'm appreciative of you being here and I wanted to
7:04 jump into, um, George's question first here. Um, so I'm gonna get this a little bit queued up here like that and then transition over. And, um, yeah, so I think it's 10 PM for George right now up in Latvia and Finland, you guys tune in at night. It's probably a nicer thing. I'm here in Hawaii and it's just a beautiful day today. And here I am in the office, but I already took care of my cows this morning. Suze and I went up, made sure they had water, moved them into a new paddock. We've been, uh, just moving them, uh, you know, every other, every two days we move them into a
7:51 new paddock and just let them smash it down and eat. And so got up to them today. And so, um, but I wanted to jump in here with, uh, Georgia's question here. So he's saying he made, uh, a thousand liter ultra low cost microbe solution using the heater and, um, got temperatures of 19 C at the bottom and 25 Celsius at top, which that sounds really good. That's a good, you know, it's a good temperature profile that I think that'll, if you put the heater at the bottom, it'll get it to move around and help it mix. Um, this time he added more potatoes, eight pounds
8:30 and more leaf mold. Um, in addition, before spraying the KNF soil solution, I added the soil formula. So two liters of cleanser, one liter of structure, two liters of food and the protectors and whatever he had left. Um, and we applied this to the bare soil, four hectares, or excuse me, 1.6 hectares, four acres. So I think that's about right. Yeah. Yep. That sounds about right. So he's saying it's spring and there was no drench effect. That's okay. That's okay that there's no drench effect because the key is you're getting these
9:16 microbes into the soil and just especially on a first drench. The more you can get them into the soil, the more they're going to work down. But if you're getting them on the surface, it's doing well. Would I recommend doing larger batches or spraying a smaller area to notice the effect as we do this solution spray every week? I would say with that, you can after, like if I'm looking at this batch here and I see all this bubbles and all these microbes, this looks like it came out a really good batch of Jadam microbe solution here. Like that much
9:54 microbial activity, you got tons and tons of microbes. So when you go to spray, you could actually dilute it a little bit more. So this here, you could dilute this like 10 to one here and extend that so that you can get more of a drench. And I know it's more energy and effort to go out and spray more. Um, but, but you are able, if you are able to get this, you got this many microbes growing, if you add a little bit more water to them, then they will drench in a bit more. So you can take this and dilute this more before, before you go to spray and that can
10:31 get you a little bit more, um, area and that'll help it to sink in. So if you got water abundantly available and you can, you can dilute this more, I'd recommend that, um, a little bit to just help, help you get that into the soil there. Okay. And so, um, and then here's, here's a picture of this spray. This looks like an awesome setup, man. This is perfect. You missed this out. Um, driving, And, you know, that's amazing. I wish I had a boom set up on my tractor like that. Instead, I hand spray with just my hand sprayer and a boom would be really nice. So that's awesome.
11:12 And glad, you know, I think it's really going to work out well for you getting these microbes out there. Okay, so question number two. It's day 14 of the first IMO collection with an average temperature of 10 Celsius, 50 Fahrenheit. It's pretty chilly. no white stuff some black spores mold and two flies have gotten in should i abort this batch i assume that insects should not get in at all and i know this question was from last week hopefully you watched the how to collect imos indoor video and i think that's the way to do it
11:47 man go get your leaf mold that soil that upper layer where you're where the leaves are breaking down into the soil that layer bring a bunch of that into a greenhouse and set that up that way just following the techniques in that video and I think you're going to have a lot really good success because 50 Fahrenheit still outside that's that's pretty chilly and so you know you got to bury it at least 20 centimeters under like it says in the video and really trying to insulate that there. Um, so hopefully that helps out. Um, and so question number three,
12:24 um, I made maintenance solution without the medicine to add water for the goats. Awesome. I tried it and it was pretty nice. Yeah. Smoky chase tastes from the charred bones, made apple cider vinegar and indigenous, uh, fermented early spring leaves. Um, that is of garlic origin. Cool. I think that'll help boost the goat immune system. And since I wanted to drop coffee too, I was wondering at what dilutions you use and how much would you typically take it? Okay. So that's a separate question there of adding a little bit of maintenance to my drink
13:07 in the morning. Um, what I do is I take a spoonful of sea salt, put that into, into my mug, which actually I, I didn't make it this morning. I, I, cause I was up with the cows and doing some other things. I, I'm just drinking straight up water today, but, um, but, um, I I've taken in, in this, this last week, uh, because I'm trying to restore my kidneys. Um, I, I took a, a banaba, um, plant, which is kind of interesting and, and cook that in the, in the water and made like a tea out of banaba. And I've been been adding that and it kind of tastes like green tea, but it doesn't have,
13:47 uh, caffeine and those things. But, um, just, just a little bit of for the coffee, like, you know, my morning drink of like what I want to drink to, to wake up and feel good is just taking a little bit of the maintenance and just adding it in, um, to, to taste and pretty dilute for me. Um, and then I've been also adding a spoonful of calcium, which is the KNF reproduction. Cause I'm really trying to fix my teeth. This, this tooth just, uh, man, it, it, um, it had a hole in it now and that's not good. So really trying to remineralize my teeth and then, um,
14:24 add the reproduction, that calcium to really strengthen them. And since I've been doing that, I've been noticing like before my teeth used to kind of ache from when I'm drinking coffee and stuff. And now, now that I don't have that same issue, as long as I get my water pick and shoot out all the stuff that gets stuck in there, it's, it's, I really feel my teeth are strengthening up, which is amazing because you can't do much without your teeth and it's kind of, kind of gnarly. So, okay so anyway um and i like this on his coffee cup here this is pretty amazing he's he's scratched
14:59 this out it's simply great coffee and he said simply great knf and i really think that that's that's you know of all the things we should be drinking in the morning we drink this stuff i notice my fingernails get stronger i notice i just have more energy and all these things so So I'm glad it's kind of catching on of like using these for human consumption and just mixing it to taste so that it really is good. So I'm going to jump back here a little bit into the chat and I got a few more email questions. So yeah, I'm glad.
15:38 um oh cool anthony's saying that he made his first imo2 and peach fermented plant juice man that's awesome peaches are that's gonna be tasty you know speaking of like teeth and stuff man but if you drizzle that on some vanilla ice cream oh the peach fermented like food oh that's gonna be just oh you're not gonna want to use it for your plants you're gonna just eat it all yourself i swear um yeah hey and um yeah stonemason what's up man hey i'm glad i yeah i threw a i threw a hat in because he he ordered five books and i had extra space in the book or in the box and i'm like
16:22 i could stuff it with newspaper or i could put in this sweet hat and so i threw him a little hat and this this one i'm wearing is fresh it doesn't even have a logo on it i should put that up on there but uh, get, you know, my little K and F heart and a little microbe being happy and sent that out to him. So, you know, you never know what you're going to get. If you order some books for me, sometimes I throw on some stickers, all kinds of good things. So happy, happy to do that. I'm, I'm actually still sold out. I, I gotta, I'll reprint more books this week, but get those out.
16:56 Okay. Yeah. Great. You guys are spraying these things, getting through um so post up saying second attempt at im03 this time with dog food and wood chips cool i'm finally getting the temps in control with less turning by keeping the pile thin yep that helps to manage it um somewhere between you know four inches to eight inches to 12 inches if it's cold um but somewhere in there of like you know based on your temperatures and your timing and how soon you'll be back makes sense um and uh turning the pile yeah so i'm glad i'm glad it
17:39 worked out for you and and that's the thing about using the dog food is it has enough energy it has enough fats oils proteins um plus it's made from mill run and that that has enough to kick off with the wood chips to really make those microbes thrive and it's about balancing that nutrition in there getting them all great and that's really what what makes a great pile happening so um stargazer says it's going to be out here in july um manifest all he's been learning from me and logan cool man yeah so if you're on the helo side i'm over here and then logan's over on the kona
18:16 side um great friend of mine and he's been you know you can look on um he has the holly salasia Institute of Higher Learning. And he's been putting up some YouTube videos and sharing with folks, but he's a great guy. And we're going to, I think we're going to have a KNF film festival this year. I'm just working with the board, the Pure KNF Foundation board to sponsor a film festival. And I think I'll be entering his documentary that we made for him two years ago. Um, but I'll be remixing that and making it real nice for the film festival. So
18:55 if you don't know who Logan is, eventually you'll see him at the film festival and, uh, get into that. So cool. I'm glad, um, the goof man saying that indoor IMO video was eyeopening. That's the kind of stuff. When I go to Korea, that was like learning with master Lee, who's master Cho's top disciple he was actually the leader of um Cho Global um International so the the the whole organization of everybody in the whole world he he was the leader of that coming together and so that guy is is super legendary unfortunately unfortunately he had
19:40 some cancer and he passed away about just about a year ago now. And, you know, there's only so much microbes can do to help with IMOs. You know, we kind of live in a toxic world and, you know, staying ahead of it to try to keep these things and keep our immune systems up. But, you know, KNF only has so many miracles that it can do of healing you. And he tried his best and he had a pretty good recovery. He taught that class and then he kind of had a relapse. And unfortunately, it's crazy to watch a gem like that pass away. And someone who has so much
20:20 knowledge and so much wisdom. And that's why I try to put all this stuff out. You never know what's going to happen to me. I mean, I could have died last week from kidney infection that I had, you know. And then, you know, where would natural farming be without these great people? So sharing. I do have a whole bunch of video footage from workshops we did with him and trying to get the right permissions and slowly roll those out to you guys. Because his expertise, what I learned on the trip when I went with him and Ray and that group of about a dozen folks that went with us,
20:56 we were just thick into the solutions. And it's that kind of stuff that I want to share with you because it's more than just like learning from like a video I produce that has certain things. You're seeing like an expert, someone who has decades of experience teaching. So that's what I want to share with you guys and get that stuff out, finding the right enthusiasm to get it, get it all together. Um, yeah. Okay, so Jake is asking here, what kind of IPM do you practice with KNF? Cucumber beetles are killing me this season. So if you're having a cucumber beetle and it's boring into your
21:40 cucumber, I'm assuming that's what it is, Jake. Maybe you can clarify here a little bit, but you need to increase your structure and your reproduction. Okay, those two calciums, if you add calcium phosphate which is structure and calcium which is the reproduction from the eggshells the charred eggshells those two what they're going to do is they're going to harden that outside of that cucumber so that it's just like adding a like armor and and you think of calcium i always think of it being like chalk but calcium is actually a metal you know it's a it's
22:16 an alkaline earth metal and that metal goes in and will make the outside of your cucumber hard enough that the beetle cannot penetrate in so if you're experiencing issues where you got things boring into your thing and you got cucumber beetles like that spraying this on the outside they won't want to be they won't bite through it and they'll they'll leave they'll go to something else and so really if you ever have problems like that where they're boring in that's that's your solution is the reproduction and the structure, both of those. You know, if you think of it,
22:50 you're reproducing a cucumber, the fruit's coming out, spraying that on, you'll get it to go. So, okay. Okay. So, and then sweeter than anything is saying with an abundance of very healthy, aggressive mint do you think it would be better to use a mixed can of food or jhs ohn or both um i i would i would turn it into all those things i would turn it i would turn it into the fermented like turn it into a can of food by fermenting it as a plant juice for sure an aggressive mint is going to produce kind of a um but but when you use it be be careful because
23:38 mint is very powerful herb um but using it that way and then boiling it down as a jhs um is is good too i wouldn't put it into the ohn the mint is not uh it's probably not the best for that one so um so anyway yeah i'm glad you guys are chatting here it's great it's great to read and see the community develop of people in near regions. I mean, you guys are near each other, like Finland, Latvia. You know, it's not that far away. It's a heck of a lot closer than I am to you guys. So as you build this up and build these groups, and I was also talking to Thomas, eyewitness.
24:22 He called me yesterday because he visited the farm, so now we're really pretty good friends. And he called me, and he's getting a group together in Florida, And we were talking about the citrus greening die-off down there and how to fix that and whether it's worth it because they kind of use exploitive labor and all these weird practices where it's like when you have a 500-acre farm and you're hiring migrant workers, I don't know, it gets into the whole ethics of you wonder why your crops are dying. It's like, maybe you should look at, you know, how big is your heart and what are you really
25:00 trying to accomplish? And, you know, I'm nothing against like hiring migrant labor, but it's really like farming should be for the wealth of families and like bring in and not just like exploitative corporate things. That's just my opinion. I mean, you can, you can do it however you like. And if you are into a huge corporate thing, then hey, you know, whatever. I mean, at least you're practicing earth regenerative practices if you're doing KNF, but really, um, you know, this is God provided KNF and farming to give wealth to families and build strong families
25:34 and small units that can work together. Um, at least that's, you know, that's my take on it. So, yeah. And I, you know, I should do a thing on, on the herbal solution of how to do these things as IPM. Um, yeah. And, and goof is the goof man saying, you know, mint FPJ is good to use as an IPM and a maintenance spray. Sure. To a degree. Yeah. All those things are great. So, um, yep. And yeah, the, okay. So I'm coming back up on these, on these chats here. It's kind of weird. It jumps me down at a certain point and then it's hard to find. Um, yeah.
26:20 And so looking, yeah, and that's great advice, Goofman, for Jake to look up the, um, the, um, Jadam book for, for any IPM type of stuff. Um, yeah. And using the structure does help to heal up the holes in the teeth, man. It's these things, man, they're, uh, they're built out of calcium and phosphate. So drinking it, putting a water soluble calcium phosphate in plus the seawater to get enough minerals to rebuild and then oil pulling with like you know some coconut oil sesame oil whatever oil you got you know not motor oil but but pulling the the toxins out trying to get that together you
26:57 know it's uh it's a challenge man we've been eating food where if you've ever looked at the usda amount of nutrients it's just like here was the nutrients and it just falls off a cliff so that the thing is true of like where an apple a day used to keep the doctor away but now you have eat 20 apples to get the same nutrition that was in one apple, right? As these nutrients fall off. So you think here, I'm trying to eat healthy, trying to rebuild my body, trying to give my teeth the minerals they need to thrive. And the minerals are gone. They're just not even in the
27:31 plant. It's, you know, and so only by practicing KNF, bringing the soil to life, bring in all this together and getting these nutrient loops. So it's like, I'm going to take something that I've grown well, ferment it, spray it back, and then spray it back, spray it back. Only then do we get this nutrient density to rise again and, and take care. And problems like this shouldn't be happening, you know, it should be, it should be strong, but, um, yeah. So, um, okay. So we've been adding a bokashi to our yogurt, to ice cream, to salads. It just crumbles so well to all sorts. Yeah,
28:17 so maybe you're talking about the cheese that comes off it, or I don't know. But eating bokashi, all that, I think, as long as it's human-grade, it should be good getting this all up. And Julie, if you want books, I can probably send you a box with a whole bunch in there and help you get them out. And, um, yeah, and, and, uh, jurists or George, George is helping to, to, uh, translate the book into Latvian and, you know, and, and also Mao is helping to translate into Spanish. And so as I get these books and we translate them into these other languages, you know,
28:55 by and by, as it happens, you know, on your own, you know, time, as we do that, then getting these books out and getting them to the people that need it in these different languages. It's like, that's what's going to make the difference for the thing. Okay. Yeah, so there's some good questions in here. I'm trying to get back to the thing here. Someone was asking what kind of dog food, and it's just, I just use pedigree. yep and mixing the fine post-ups right mixing the final batches of the plant juices after you've made them individually then when you go to use it combine them you can mix
29:42 up to three in there still at the one to five hundred for each of them if you can add more than three make that dilution more so like one to one thousand if you're gonna add oh i think there's an earthquake just now either that or it's someone outside i don't know okay um so coming down yep looking at these okay okay answering these questions i have standard ohn okay so sweeter than anything saying i have a standard ohn i'm going to be trying mint and super hot chili for added mild or JHS before any of the more hardcore like bracken. Good idea. Start simple and test a few
30:30 plants to make sure you don't burn. And there's a whole exact way to do it in the Jadam books. If you don't have that book, check it out. It's on Amazon. It's in a bunch of different languages. Easy to get. I have like four copies of different languages right on that bookshelf behind me. really good book um so partita is saying maybe it's more about epigenetics and the history of those before him proponents of a theory suggest that grandparents exposure to risk is baked into our dna totally totally to epigenetics if you're not familiar with that um look up dr bruce lipton
31:13 and the epigenetics of how our actual, everything is stored in our DNA and then expressed out to each other and making these things happen. And so what I do is it's gonna affect my grandchildren based on my DNA and how these things happen. And it's wild because forever they told us DNA is like read only, it reads and you can't write to it, but absolutely not true. these things slide over and make different parts of DNA available. And then, you know, like reverse transcriptase, this juice stuff they gave us actually goes and writes back to your DNA.
31:56 So be very careful on taking any experimental emergency approved thing because it's never been tested fully. So just, you know, throwing that in there too. Okay. So JC is saying, carbohydrate, what is considered a carbohydrate for IMO three, I see people mentioning higher proteins and fats. Um, it's, it's, it's actually like a balance. Like the, the ideal thing that they were using in Korea is the wheat brand. When they go from brown rice to white rice, the holes and the brand that comes off, um, is called mill run. It's everything that comes off
32:35 besides just, you know, the white rice that you eat. It's that, and that has like a perfect balance of fats, oils, and carbohydrates in there. And so when you're even using dog food, there's carbohydrates as a base. It's the basis mill run plus then it's amended with these other things. So, um, so it's just about getting a balanced food. Okay. Oh, cool. And stonemason saying he gave one of the books to an Amish herbalist and reflux. I'm not sure what that word is he is kind of a medicine man in the community and hope it spreads like a wildfire
33:14 might need more books that's amazing yeah because i think you know the the idea of introducing this fermentation to folks that are medicine people you know they they really they knowing this information and getting it and if they're open to it it's like this is this is god's information like he gave this through master cho through his dreams to to us through this synthesis and getting it to the right people so they can figure out how to do these things. So Julia is asking, do you folks char eggshells for the reproduction indoors? It's been a really
33:57 windy spring. I wouldn't do it indoors. If you are going to do it indoors, take all the eggshells, put them on a pan and put it into your oven and bake it in the oven at like whenever you're baking other things you know just set it at 350 whenever you're baking whatever else and and do it if you're going to do it indoors I'd do it that way to to bake out because you're trying to remove the moisture and any existing organic material so um but that's that's the way I was going to do it if I was going to do it indoors is do it in the oven
34:31 okay and then black space force tv what's up is saying i have a ton of wood chips can i make the no smell for my chicken coop absolutely uh put the wood chips down about three four inches about that that much there and um and then inoculate it with imo three if you got it four if you got it, and then spray lactobacillus plus the maintenance on top of there, and that will activate that whole system to start working. And wood chips work really good with chickens. When I used to do meat birds, my dad and I, we raised those Frankenstein Cornish cross mutant birds,
35:18 and we just put a bunch of wood chips in a greenhouse, inoculated it, and put those chickens in there, they would go nuts, do everything. And then once we pull the chickens out to harvest, just plant tomatoes in there and they do great. And so it's, uh, it's amazing. Um, yeah. Anyone in Fresno? I don't know. That's where my dad's from, uh, Europe and, uh, and I was out in Fresno not too long ago, went out to Big Sur, drove through there. It's a, it's a place Talk about needing some IMOs and some stuff, man. It's just drying out. Such good agriculture there.
35:54 But the way they're dealing with the fields, man, getting these microbes into the soil. There is my friend, Brown Sugar Farms, and he's in, what's the capital? It's right near there. I don't know. Anyway, you can look him up on Instagram, Brown Sugar Farms, and he's nearby. okay so can the ultra low cost microbes get rid of eat up unwanted weeds dumping enough of it where the weeds are the idea being that microbes are so many to eat up the roots is it possible sensible uh not quite so one one thing i do notice is when i use microbes then if i go to weed the garden
36:40 the weeds come out easier because the soil is so loose and i can just pull them out otherwise they're like stuck in their heart, but it's not going to kill weeds. What it does, however, is that does biological succession. And I believe that that is in the book here. So, let me just, let me pull that up real quick here and get to that. and I think there's a there's a picture of biological succession yeah here so I'm gonna pull this up on this side transition this over so idea idea being will will just spraying microbes
37:25 get rid of your weeds and answers not really because that's not really what it's designed to do. However, what I do want to show you here is this graph. This is in the book that you can get at KNF Support, and it's an e-book. Also, sometimes I have hard copies available, which I will shortly here, but is this graph right here, okay? And so to explain this a little bit to you is this top row here where it's here. Let me zoom in a little bit more for you guys because I really just want focus on this. Let's see here. Okay, so I want to zoom in. So if you see this top row is bacteria
38:05 going across here. So the bacteria is 10, 100, 500, 600, 500. And the bottom row here is fungus, 0, 10, 250, 600, 800. And so what, zoom out just slightly here. And what I want to show you is that basically if you disturb the soil and you till it up you're going to kill all the just almost all the bacteria and all the fungus you're going to kill it and what's going to want to sprout here is going to be weeds then as the land starts to recover and as soil starts to develop and as this humus layer starts to develop and you start to get away from just destroyed land
38:49 what happens is your bacteria and fungus start to increase, right? And so if I go over here to the right and I go into this forest, I'm going to find that there's 700 bacteria and 7,000 fungus. And what those numbers are, are like per gram. Like, it's like if I took one drop of the soil and I stir it up and I drop it on the thing, I'm going to see much more fungus and bacteria in a forest than I am in where weeds and those things are growing. And so how this chart works is to say like the more like in a natural system, if I go into the forest, I'm going to find much
39:31 more of this biology. And if I go where trees are growing, I'm going to find this ratio of biology. And if I'm where perennials are being cultured and doing well, and they want to grow naturally, I want to find this much bacteria to fungus. And if I go in a really poor zone, I'm going to find next to no fungus in really disturbed land. And so the whole idea with natural farming is that you could wait for this to happen and it'll naturally happen. Like it'll go from weeds to disturbed and then weeds grow and then bigger plants start to grow and then pretty soon trees
40:06 start to sprout up in grasslands. And then eventually it turns into a forest. And that's the way nature wants to go is it wants to go through this progression. But as a natural farmer, you can come into an area that is disturbed like this, where say you just tilled it and it's disturbed and it's really poor soil. And you can actually inoculate this back, this kind of fungus, this kind of bacteria by putting down the IMOs, putting that fungus into that zone, feeding it, that fungus establishes, and then your land doesn't know that it should grow just weeds.
40:40 It thinks, oh, hey, I should grow trees. And so you're able to skew where you are on this by saying, okay, well, if I know I want trees, but I have poor soil, and I'm like over here where, you know, it's just supporting annuals and no trees are growing, well, then I'll just take the biology, put it on the surface, start to feed it, it'll start to penetrate. All of a sudden, that top inch, two inches of soil will have this type of biology. And then all of a sudden your tree will want to grow and your weeds won't because weeds want to grow where there's no fungus.
41:14 And the way it works is, is not, is not just magic. The fungus actually slows down the nitrogen cycle. So if you notice when you have, um, disturbed land and you have these weeds, they'll, they'll sprout up real fast flower and die sprout flower die sprout flower die real quick but if you notice a tree will only go through like one season like it'll go it'll flower it'll put out like apples for instance and then it'll be done for that season it'll drop those apples and so what's happened is their nitrogen cycle has slowed way down it's not cycling as fast to make like something
41:52 come up flower and die it's slowing it down and so the the fungus really manages your nitrogen cycle and if you can slow down the natural nitrogen cycling in the soil then you'll start to other plants will favor that area and that's why i say like if you get a bunch of fungus then trees will want to sprout it's because you've slowed down that nitrogen cycle and things that are annuals or perennials or things that you really wanted to get to happen faster will have a harder time the more fungus you get. So this is the way you can use Korean natural farming by taking these
42:28 IMOs, putting them in the right areas, and it changes how your nutrients are cycling in your soil. And then that then dictates what plants are going to naturally want to thrive there. So if weeds aren't having that fast cycling nutrient cycle and getting the nitrogen so fast, then they can't grow there. And instead perennials or trees start to grow there. So hope that kind of explains this graph here in the book. And it's under the soil foundation, you know, like how to build soil foundation. It's this theory here of basically, you know,
43:05 change the biology and you'll change the type of plants that want to grow. Is it immediate? Not really. It takes about a year or two, a season or two to really change the biology that way. But by putting microbes out there immediately, you will start to affect how your nutrients are cycling in your soil, how they're operating and what naturally wants to grow. So if you can get in symbiosis with the microbes, with the plants, that's how you get rid of the weeds. Because as this thing shifts over, you know, how the nutrients feed the land
43:41 shifts. Hey, thanks for the super chat. Mahalo. Thank you, Jennifer. Appreciate it. It's nice. Thanks for being me. Yep. So appreciate you throwing that down and helping the show exist financially, you know, the enthusiasm. It's a good thing. So, okay. So microbial theory there, getting that out to you guys, helping you guys understand a bit about why that's there. cool. And Stone Mason's going to hook up his Amish guys with some solutions. Okay. Now you guys talking a little bit about the, um, the reproduction here.
44:32 Um, okay. And so part partita is saying that manganese is definitely causing citrus greening. Um, but it's also in addition to like lacking manganese, it's also that the microbes aren't in the soil to help. Like if you sterilize the soil and you've been using chemical fertilizer, the roots, especially if you use nitrogen fertilizer, the roots stop having symbiotic relationships with your microorganisms. And so it's real expensive for a root to grow out into the, out into the soil and to find things. but it's really cheap for that root to put out and exudate and to feed a fungus that can reach
45:15 out further into the soil and extend your virtual root system. So it may be a manganese deficiency for sure, but throwing more manganese may or may not help. What's going to help is restoring those indigenous microorganisms, restoring that natural soil life, and it will help it to find the manganese and will make much more manganese available for the citrus and the citrus greening. So if you're having, so that's why it's like, you know, in addition to, you can't just throw chemical fertilizer. You also got to put out these microorganisms to help them find everything
45:52 they need. So, um, so it's a complex problem that they've run into in Florida by just, um, you know, not really understanding soil. And the article I read was talking about the solution was to genetically engineer the crops. And I was like, no, just put microbes out there and restore your soil and bring it to life. And you don't need to genetically engineer anything. Cause that's a long route. It's a lot, you know, a mature orange tree is going to produce a whole bunch. And if it's dying, just put some IMOs out there, let it find what it needs in the soil.
46:29 It'll come back to life. It'll re-green, it'll re-foliate, it'll come back. so uh and hjs divine hands is asking how how long does a can of food are also called a fermented plant juice last and they last about a year if you've made it from growth tips and then they'll last up to about three years if you've made it from fruits and the growth tips just um those hormones and enzymes, uh, break down faster. And then, um, and so, you know, you have growth tips for vegetative growth, flowers and fruits or unripe fruits for changeover period, puberty
47:16 when it's flowering, and then you have ripe fruits for when it's ripening. So you have those three classes of different foods and the one that breaks down the fastest is the growth tip one. So if, so yeah so hopefully that's clear and understood if you don't know check back at older office hours which are at knfsupport.com and there's tons of office hours where I talk about this kind of stuff all the time and enjoy working with you guys so looks like I am way back on these chat here so let's see okay so Heather
48:02 yeah yeah and so the easiest way to balance things if you if you think of the if you think of the earth as a chemistry set you're gonna you're gonna run into problems after problem after a problem. And the guy who invented soil chemistry's name was Lie Big. So he's, you know, it's a big lie. It's really about biology. And not to say that mineral deficiencies don't exist, but that's why there's KNF minerals, which is just diluted seawater to bring any mineral deficiency in. And then you let the biology fix it for you. Because if you chase a chemistry in
48:41 your soil, you'll always chase your tail. And that's the way the chemical companies have got us to buy so much stuff because you're always going to be deficient in this or that or these things. And then you're going to have to throw tons of this and then it's going to be tied up by that. And it's all it's all that, you know, theory that you can get into, which not to say it's it's false. It's not. It's just it's just like it's an indirect way of going about it. If you're always chasing nutrient or, you know, chemistry, you're much better off to focus on
49:11 biology, get your biology really good. And then if you need more minerals to dilute seawater and put it out there and that will bring in the rest of your biology. And then of course, using these ferments, you're taking the exact nutrient profile a plant needs, fermenting it, spraying it back into that plant. And you're going to get, so chasing chemistry to me is, is a way of like, you want to spend a lot of money, chase chemistry, chase pH, chase those things. You want to cheaply solve your problem, focus on biology and get your biology just perfect and set where you got the
49:45 right fungus to bacteria ratios. You got good organic matter in your soil, which it happens when you get good biology and you're going to shortcut all this. So the chemistry way of thinking of things is a way to sell products and get you to chase your tail. You'll always be chasing that. So Heather has a question over nitrogen, but I have worms on it instantly. I know calcium is there, but what is the mineral or additional thing to balance? So if you're worried about any nutrient or any mineral balancing, KNF minerals, diluted seawater, like I've been saying,
50:28 dilute that put it out there it has every single element and the biology when you get good biology it will balance it all so um yeah all right so and ormus yeah ormus is great stuff um so i have a uh so black space force tv is saying i still have a dry pond in my backyard what is your take on cleaning it also what is your take on collecting and storing rainwater is there anything on jadam or water collection or purification rainwater is going to be distilled water it's going to be great store it if you have any problems with mildew algae growing
51:15 the knf protectors the lactic acid bacterias will go in there and clean everything up and make it all great so yep okay so you guys got my theory on how how different plants grow based on their nutrient cycles and based on the biology um yep and yep you guys post up great great advice on storing the plant juice it's yeah put it in the fridge or super saturated it'll last forever um what's up from south africa yeah translated to finnish and swedish cool i'll send you a bunch your way uh okay you know i think i got your address so um okay yep yep getting through this
52:08 here okay yep okay yeah okay so so for the weeding as you start to you know like as you get the biology in there better though your weeds won't pop up the same way it's you know that whole theory i just talked about it it's it's not an immediate thing like mechanical weeding is but it's but it'll happen okay um okay so 967 island chain do i have any method for planting in dry conditions with moderate winds i live out on the big island above why man is dry with low rainfall um you know
52:56 um the thing to do is to put biochar a few chunks big chunks of biochar out there i know that area kind of just burn too so it might have a bunch of char but if you can get the IMOs and the biochar there um they will they'll hold on to the to the moisture so much better um and and low rainfall all that like it's it's really getting the charcoal that like like natural wood burnt not not briquettes like not kingsford stuff but like actual charred um wood and um you know like cowboy briquettes but you know get that crush that inoculated with the microbes and put that out
53:39 there that's going to be your best bet for keeping the moisture in the soil mulching with wood chips keeping it um you know as moist as you can um so and then uh pat's saying trying ohn but angelica and licorice do not grow here any substitutes um you know gil karang dang in the philippines just uses garlic and ginger uh both those are easy you know if you have those use those um those you know it's it's just you know there's a whole reason to add licorice as it synergizes everything and the angelica is really like talk about women's healing herb like angelica is the queen of that
54:26 so there's reasons for all of it but if you don't have it just just use what you got and you know you'll get there and at least you have something to use and put put it out there don't like like rule zero you know let nothing stop you from growing so if you don't have something just just keep going without it and you'll get there eventually what is the best way to utilize biochar and the IMO process. I throw it into the IMO 4 and, um, it, it just a small blend, maybe like 5% of your pile, 10% of your pile somewhere in there. And, um, it'll load it with the microbes
55:07 and all that. Excuse me. I'm starting to lose my voice a little bit here. okay so um yeah salinas california all right you guys yeah yeah if you guys get the the imos going out there the salinas area fresno that whole valley you know i think imperial valley i'm not sure what they call it something like that that whole area man it really needs it and you get this stuff out there you'll you'll use less water and you'll have higher yields and all these things so um yeah okay
55:56 yeah so can culantro be a good ground cover yeah culantro is a little uh spiky i watch out you know i try to pick things that aren't prickly but i like culantro plus you could you could turn it into a great ferment and then sell that stuff as like a salad dressing pesto that'd be just amazing oh yeah okay those are good comments here okay okay started a pile tech yesterday yep that's the one i believe it's there oh what's up Nate Nate's in the house right there you guys man you guys gotta link up
56:46 brown sugar farm yeah oh sweet man I'm glad you're around man I just I just found the podcast interview the video interview we did the other day and I was just like dang this is quality so So if you, me and Brown Sugar Farms made, let's see here, we did an episode of the Microbial Secret Society. Hey, thanks, Jake. Oh, you guys are great. I really appreciate it. It's episode 35 here. Let me transition this over. Yeah, and so I used to do a podcast. I still may throw up some episodes on this. I've been a little bit lazy on this of doing it, but Nate and I got, got together and, um,
57:36 we did a podcast interview here, um, and talked all about this and the work he's doing with some youth and just like how he's spreading this stuff around. So yeah. And he's up in Sacramento. That's the town. I couldn't think of it. It's the capital there, California. And, uh, one straw revolution paralleling his family's backyard and how this orchard died in a drought and he's doing agroforestry plus he's farming while black shout out to all all you guys doing it doing it right you know and um you know what kind of imo box is better could there be a different kind of area how to
58:17 overcome obstacles of can if in urban settings and talk on fermentation tools and versus natural and is successful and starting a market garden, which apparently he's at right now, still doing it. So if you're in the Sacramento area, check it out, man. Brown Sugar Farms. Check him out on Instagram. Nate Mushin here, which let's see. Check out your Instagram a little bit. See what you got. Yeah. Look at that. OMG. Look at those, uh, what is it? Uh, artichokes and how's that amaranth and look at that was a pumpkin tomatoes hops man Nate got it going on so and look at his
59:03 little cows there how cute and he got the mushrooms yep so you know if you're if you're in that area and you're around man check out Nate he he is the man he's he knows what he's doing he's you know, been doing KNF for a long time now. And, uh, so yeah, give him, give him a follow and check him out there. So, okay. And, um, okay. So Sam is asking, do I have an idea to what general kind of fungi are being collected on the IMO? And the key is it's your indigenous, my, it's your indigenous fungus. It's what's already
59:48 thrive in there. So are there families and are there classes of things? Yes, but we know very little about the soil biology itself. So it's best just to like, you know, it's, it's the, it's the indigenous ones. If you want to find out more about that though, and what kind of biology and stuff is coming in, I did just find this really good book the other day and it's called unraveling the mysteries of KNF and, um, I think this is the one. Yeah. Yeah. So, so this is the one here and, and, uh, let me, let me transition this over so you can see what I'm looking at here.
1:00:29 So, um, let's see, make this fit on here. So, um, unraveling the mysteries of natural farming, Korean and isolation of bacteria and determining the effects on growth. So this was actually a paper put out by Anna Keli'i Kuli'i and it looks like they did this in Korea here because all this and I think this might have come out of Kongkuk University but it says it's funded by CTAHR so apparently it came out of the University of Hawaii and it sounds like a Hawaiian. Oh, and Michael DuPont. So this is a Hawaiian paper here. But anyway,
1:01:14 I'm going to get down a little bit here just because someone asked what stuff is in there. And here's a bunch of these. Bacillus subtilis, Bacillus lichenformis, Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus megatarium, Bacillus... All these names I can't pronounce. these are the things that um you know folks put in you know and you asked about the fungus well all these are bacteria right bacillus bacterias but uh but there is scientific papers out on these things and you can find this and um i think this will be at um i'll link this at um pureknf.org
1:01:55 slash research uh which is our the pureknf foundation's uh research sharing thing where all the scientific documents and those things go. So, uh, link that and put it in the show notes and have all that. And, uh, looks like we're getting here to about 10 o'clock, 10.02 my time here. So finishing up the office hour for today. Um, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Checking, checking in with you guys. Um, and yeah, okay. So I'll get, I'll get out the, uh, the higher, uh, the next edition
1:02:41 to you guys. Sorry. Sorry about that. I've been dragging my feet. It's a lot to manage and keeping all this together, but I appreciate it and, uh, get out the new copy to you guys. Um, let's see. yeah oh that's great i'm glad people find knf in the weirdest ways but uh it's good yeah the the biological succession is in the knf recipes book and i'm gonna get out the um the latest edition you guys i think i'll do that today and yeah the microbial secret society is epic. And if you join, you know, join, I really, you know, since I've been doing this office hour,
1:03:29 it's hard to manage multiple things, but I really want to put that in there. So, and get, get interview good people and, and get, get that show rolling again. Cause that was, that was a lot of fun. And I just, one point got overwhelmed of putting it out every week. It's a lot of effort to show up and to do this. And even this year, you know, um, I'm, it helps that i'm sponsored by the pure canna foundation they make um they make it worth my time here plus you guys the super chat seeing your success um you know the enthusiasm that we're
1:04:01 we're gaining together um and shaman king do not feed jms to pigs do not do not do not do not do not feed it to the pigs they will not be um it's that's that's a bad idea because you have no idea what's in there. Uh, if you want to feed anything, take, take their pig food and put the KNF protectors in there. I also put, um, I am a four into my pig food and ferment it first. Although my brand new pig doesn't even like it, but my older pigs, man, they love it. Um, so I got a condition condition, short ribs, my new little piggy to, um, to understand how to eat the
1:04:40 fermented food, but she's been eating it off the floor, the regular food without being fermented. and she's been getting inoculated that way. I keep putting this $100 bill on the screen, but I won't go through. Sorry, bro, I'm trying, but I guess it will just have to hold it. You know, and if you want to make a donation to the, you know, without having YouTube grab their cut, you can, however, donate directly to me. it's just natural farming hawaii.net slash donate and that'll take you directly to a donation page
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1:06:02 that bottomless energy that comes from being in alignment with nature, with God, with spirit, with each other, building community. And thank you for tuning in. Again, you can catch this episode and all episodes at knfsupport.com. I can also get the book there. And I want to wish you a happy and wealthy and prosperous bit of time. I'm just going to check the calendar here because I'm pretty sure. Yeah, no, I'll be back. I'll be back next week. I'll be back next week. It's the 22nd. I got one more episode before I take off to go to my trip to America and getting married to the
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