Chicken Barn Design, Poultry Site Selection, KNF Support vs Facebook
The I Ching reading is Opposition. Drake ties it to a Chris Martenson "Peak Prosperity" video on energy and debt, then pivots to exponential growth: put out more JMS microbes in your last doubling period than in all prior history combined.
Drake compares the Korean Natural Farming Facebook group, now 36,739 members but full of spam and scam top posters, to KNF Support, where the top contributor this month has posted 90 answers. He is close to launching single sign-on so a Pure KNF Foundation membership logs you into KNF Support too.
Quick notes: KNF trainings run in Hawaii in November 2023 and January 2024 at knffarm.com, and Mogli in Ganges, Michigan is testing IMO in a hemp bedding product.
The rest of the hour covers Master Cho's poultry slides: housing built on harmony, respect, and welfare; siting a barn for sun, ventilation, firm drainage, a good view, and quiet; orienting the barn 20 to 30 degrees off north; his ideal barn with open sides from floor to bird-nose height and an uninsulated metal roof to drive convection; a video tour of poultry farms in Korea; and why a live soil floor and room to move cut feed and medical costs and save labor. Chicken feed is the cliffhanger for next week.
Questions answered
- 18:34 Where can I find the original KNF Facebook group, and is it still worth using? — It's at facebook.com/glo.clairedelune3.3, but Drake says it has filled up with spam and scam posts.
- 22:24 Can you overdose a plant with FPJ? — Overdosing with FPJ is similar to overheating the plant, per the top answer on KNF Support.
- 32:49 Any KNF hemp practitioners in Northern Michigan? — Mogli, in Ganges, Michigan, grows hemp and is testing IMO in his hemp bedding product.
- 35:03 When is the next KNF training in Hawaii? — Classes are set for November 2023 and January 2024 at knffarm.com, with a few spots left.
- 40:21 What are the core principles behind Master Cho's livestock housing? — Harmony with the environment, respect for the animal's natural urges, and welfare from a barn sized right for the flock.
- 42:14 Where should you locate a chicken house? — Ground with good sun and ventilation, firm drainage, a decent view, and quiet.
- 44:32 Which direction should a chicken barn face? — Orient it 20 to 30 degrees off north so morning sun hits the east side and afternoon sun hits the west side.
- 46:55 What makes Master Cho's poultry barn design work? — Open sides from ground to bird-nose height let ammonia escape, while an uninsulated metal roof heats up and pulls fresh air through by convection.
- 56:34 What are the basic characteristics of a natural farming poultry setup? — Convection airflow, a live soil floor six to eight inches deep, and enough room for chickens to move so their organs and digestion develop properly.
- 59:27 How does natural farming cut chicken production costs? — Chickens digest their own manure off the floor, need no antibiotics or vaccines, and the pen goes years without cleaning or new litter.
KNF Office Hours is a free live Q&A every Sunday at 9 AM HST. Bring your question to pureknf.org/learn/questions or join live.
In this episode
- 0:00 Countdown
- 2:23 Intro and welcome
- 4:44 I Ching reading: Opposition
- 8:38 Peak Prosperity, exponential growth, and KNF
- 18:30 KNF Facebook page vs KNF Support website
- 31:10 Single sign-on for Pure KNF Foundation membership
- 32:49 Northern Michigan hemp practitioner Mogli
- 35:03 KNF training in Hawaii, Nov 2023 and Jan 2024
- 36:15 Master Cho's presentation: Natural Farming Poultry
- 40:21 Livestock principles: harmony, respect, welfare
- 42:14 Choosing a location for your chicken house
- 44:32 Direction and arranging a chicken house
- 46:55 Master Cho's ideal poultry barn design
- 52:10 Touring Korea's KNF poultry farms
- 56:34 Characteristics of a KNF poultry farm
- 1:03:22 Thanks to Master Cho and the community
Transcript
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3:00 well hello hello hello welcome to korean natural farming office hours for June 25th, 2023. And, um, I believe this is like office hour number like 85 or something like that. Like done 85 episodes means I've recorded 85 hours of, um, office hours. So, uh, you know,
3:45 So if there's a question you have, maybe it's already been answered, but I'm happy to go in and discuss more and go further into KNF. I mean, it's actually one of the coolest things that I've found is that even after this much time, I've taught how many classes, how many things, I still learn new things. There's still more to unravel. There's still, KNF is just this infinite fractal of goodness and greatness. So I noticed my light's not on. Let me turn my light on here. Turn this bad boy on. Good girl, whatever it is. Oh, there we go. Light up that side of my face.
4:31 I don't look so much in a shadow there. I'm not sure that really works that well, but, But yeah, thanks to Master Cho, Pure K&F Foundation, both those making it off as ours come to you. And let's start off today with a little bit of higher wisdom and bring in the goods. So today, today, today, today, it's always interesting. Today is opposition. Misunderstanding truth creates opposition. There are many occasions in life which tempt us into negative thoughts. Anxiety about the future, mistrust of another person, bodily pain, fear of failure, or even success.
5:23 All of these tempt us into mistrusting life and believing that life is against us. When we fall into this trap, we are in opposition to the workings of the creative and success becomes impossible. The simple truth is that every moment in every person's life contains the teaching he or she most needs at the time. It's not always immediately apparent why a thing is happening, because the sage is often inclined to work in a roundabout fashion. Nonetheless, whatever is happening now, it is what must happen.
6:16 Our only task is to trust the process and allow the lesson to seep in. this hexagram comes as a signal you are resisting life and preventing your own progress nonetheless success is still possible for every opposition carries within it the seeds of agreement cease resisting yourself others life the sage let go of dark thoughts and aggressive actions by returning to acceptance neutrality and devotion to the way of the sage you dissolve the opposition within yourself and open the way for understanding and good fortune to arrive
7:06 wasn't that nice and i was definitely thinking about a little bit of opposition before i got here this morning. I was up late doing some good things, but coming this morning and yeah, I was thinking about just, you know, the Fed pausing the interest rates and all that. But, you know, it's great to see you guys here. It's great to understand, you know, what we are doing. I was thinking about it the other day and I was like, man, I wanted to create a little booklet on Korean natural farming. Um, just these, these tiny
7:44 booklets and hand them out to people like tiny little stapled things that I can give out my own little propaganda, um, and explain just a few concepts like the exponential growth and all that. Um, but it's good to see all you guys. It's good to have good friends in the chat here with me and uh Cheryl tuning in from Stanley Idaho we got the goof man up in New York and it's beautiful up there and it's beautiful here in Hawaii I tell you what you can't argue with beauty um and oh stop this buzzing over here my hard drive vibrating um let me put the hot sauce on it
8:22 yeah that helped um what's up Mark in California I think you're still in California I'm not sure And, uh, yeah. And Willie down in New Zealand and Ben, uh, Arizona, South Carolina. I don't know where you're at, but, uh, one thing, one thing I did want to share with you guys here a little bit that's been on my mind lately. Um, and it's sort of opposition here, um, but not really. Um, um hey what's up george um latvia man uh yeah wow um um there's a whole uh genre of like youtube folks out there what's up buenos dias stargazer all you and marcus up in new york too i hope you
9:11 guys are doing doing well together but i did want to share a little bit with you here and this is just, um, this podcast here, peak prosperity. And there's a whole genre of YouTubers out there that kind of are on the destruction type of thing of like, Oh, the end is nigh chicken little. But this guy is one of the more reasoned guys. Um, um, Chris Martinson, uh, and he wrote the thing, the crash course, and he has the thing peak prosperity here. And he has this peak prosperity community type of thing where he's kind of juxtaposing oil and energy versus honeybees
9:51 and their energy in the stock market there. But if you're looking for a decent video to check into, I would check out on the videos here. He let out a good video yesterday, which was this one, which is this peak prosperity on energy. And it's basically his peak prosperity 2.0 class. um, based on this. Um, and you know, this one demographics, um, understanding the demographics of how the populations are getting older and how that makes like things like social security collapse. Um, and then this one over here where it's on debt, understanding debt, let me, he loves
10:38 to say, let me turn on my little pointer tool. Let me turn on my little pointer tool and let me make get this color and bigger. And then, so you can kind of see my mouse a little better. Um, and then he has, you know, chapter this on wealth, understanding wealth, understanding banking, money, you know, cause these things, people think they understand them, but if you don't, uh, fully understand what he's talking about, which is basically, um, the fundamentals, not these high level things, but, um, but the little ones, yeah. And if you're talking about too many tabs open,
11:14 definitely got a lot of tabs open, but, uh, but that's just one window of many. So, um, you know, just saying, uh, I definitely, that's how my mind is. Um, but definitely these ideas of, um, understanding energy. But the thing is, I don't think he understands natural farming and definitely you got to understand energy, how we're going to have, um, less energy coming up. You know, it's just, and he was saying like, he thinks energy, we're really going to have it peak out by 2025 type thing. And, you know, it's always, um, time-based prophecies have kept me from living,
11:52 you know, um, and always casting time in with these dates and these energy shortages or collapses or anything like that are kind of hard. But if you understand that energy, it's harder to get even as we inflate more of our money and it's harder to get more energy. Just that alone is enough to understand that the way to get true energy is to go back to your primary sources, such as the land, the plants, the animals around you, the soil under your feet. And by using Korean natural farming, especially Myung Sung Cho's methods,
12:30 like the green grass liquid fertilizer and his newer ones that he's called different acronyms, but disgustingly cheap food, disgustingly cheap microbes, the names that I've given to him. Those recipes basically lower your cost and exponentially raise the healthier soil, raise the healthier plants, healthier animals, you know, all subsequently up the chain from the smallest to the biggest. So, um, so anyway, you know, in the face of opposition and I was just thinking, I woke up this morning, I was talking to my dad yesterday down at the river
13:04 while we're, um, you know, working on a hydroelectric system and my dad, it's, it's always funny. He's kind of, uh, um, he's into, you know, like prepping kind of stuff. And so am I, you know, you don't want to be a warrior in it or you want to be a warrior in a garden, not a gardener in a war, right? So having the idea of being prepared, but he's talking about, you know, CBDC coming and, you know, basically we're all going to have, you know, they're going to crash the economy and we're all going to have universal basic incomes. And that will lead to the central bank digital currency
13:41 because you will gladly take this new level of control of the money supply being sent, you know, cornered by the fed. But the only way to avoid that is to become the fed yourself by feeding yourself by more than feeding yourself, growing your own fertilizer and getting sovereignty on those levels. And, um, I saw Nate Higgins, the guy I talked about as well on podcasts, um, that, um, he was the great simplification. He interviewed some, uh, farmer that was talking about sovereignty. So got to put, add that to my, uh, my, um, playlists here and get that going while
14:22 I go down to the river and all that. But, um, so anyway, yes, uh, my life is too many tabs. Um, but you know, a lot, uh, always, I wanted to start off this episode. I say a lot has changed, but you know, I just wanted to make a pun to the microbial secret society out there. But, um, let's see here. Korean natural farming zines. Yes. That's, that's how we need to get out there. I do the videos quite well. I mean, I've been showing up 85 hours, something like that beyond that. I'm doing these, but getting information into people's hands where they can have something
15:05 It's easily digestible. One idea they can just understand, like I want to write it about exponential theory and basically set up the idea that, you know, if you understand exponential theory, you'll understand that for doubling, like if it's a constant, if it's growth with a percentage of growth, it then doubles on a certain time period. And that leads to exponential growth and understanding that the last doubling period, you will consume more in the last doubling period. So say you double every 10 years or something, you'll consume more in the last 10 years than you
15:44 ever consumed before in human history with the exponential growth. And I want to let people know about that because I think that's the greatest shortcoming of the human species and understanding true solutions. It's understanding the exponential growth and, um, you know, what the, what the implications and ramifications of exponential growth are. And then I want to end this by saying that in the book, by saying that we can actually put out good exponential growth. And by spreading the microbes, you will spread more microbes in your last doubling period of spreading microbes
16:21 than you've ever spread before in human history. Meaning that if you put out JMS every day and you're doubling and you're adding more and more and more, you will put out more microbes in the last doubling period than you ever did before in human history because all the microbes you put out there continue to grow, right? And so your last doubling period of putting out microbes, you're going to be the most efficient you've ever been at re-inoculating, at saving the earth, at bringing things back to life. So I really want to, you know, explain exponential theory,
16:55 but then bring it in with this huge thing of hope and prosperity and not have peak prosperity, but have microbial prosperity. Maybe I should, you know, call it that and understand how these natural living systems we can get in harmony and in sync with them. And, you know, Yeah, it's just like if you're planting trees, trees are exponential growth. And so your last trees, if you're planting at some growth rate, your last time you plant trees, you're going to plant more than you've ever planted before. So all these good things. And yeah, so hey, stonemason, thank you.
17:42 And I haven't seen you for a while. I'm sure you're there checking out the episodes. But thank you for super chats. Those are always nice. I appreciate them, especially when lately a lot more money has been going out than in. So anyway, I'm glad good community is here developing. Connecticut. You know there's one person in Connecticut that I could say to reach out to, and I've got to go on the gross Facebook here. but she actually created the Korean natural farming Facebook group. And this is, let me just
18:26 see, she's a friend of mine here. And so let me transition over here. So if you're in Connecticut, definitely look up Glow. Okay. She just got married, but she actually, and there's Glow monkey here. Um, she actually started the Korean natural farming, uh, Facebook group. And, um, she, she knows a fair amount of Korean natural farming. She, she lived at my farm for half a year, maybe. And we did a whole bunch of stuff together, but if you're in Connecticut, I believe she's in Connecticut. So look her up. It's, um, facebook.com slash G L O dot C L A I R
19:11 D L or D E L U N E three dot three. So I think you can see that. I don't know. I can zoom it in right there. Um, but glow Claire de Lune three, a few, two periods in there. Um, she, you know, um, she's cool. She's awesome. She actually started this Korean natural farming group here on Facebook, this one, which I check in once in a while, not really. See, it's stuff like this that this is the one reason I don't use Facebook, because there's things like this, right? Like, who the heck even watches these videos, right? Best videos, it's like, what are you
19:52 posting this in the Korean natural farming? So, remove all other, ban them, get rid of them, confirm. this here too again what I can't believe funny like ban this person right just drop the ban hammer on them but there's a reason I don't use the Facebook because there's stuff like this in here and you know it's like oh man you got to contend with all these bots all the time and again one of the other reasons I don't use this is because it's the same question every time oh that looks gross um that was anaerobic uh would not use that imo um but always interesting
20:39 uh again spam why come on get out of here um let's see what else yeah this this imo looks decent here should i use it and i'm gonna rained on it all depends if it's mushy or not gross kind of fungus growing um um but anyway she started this group i've been maintaining it i think now at this point what does this thing have something like uh let's see here group growth no good quality no growth here um 38 000 things reviewed in the past month that's wild
21:28 uh 16 000 posted and commented so i and this isn't in the month yeah i guess that's in the last month so there's a wild amount of action in this thing um but facebook is such a terrible platform. I mean, the one thing that's nice is it connects the world, but the thing that's bad about it is like, it's just the same question over and over and over and over again. So not that I want to, um, not that I want to like hate on that and be like, Oh, but let me open a new tab and let me pull up K and of support. And this is what we, um, you know, the goof man has been working on
22:08 and I've been working on, but this one, you can just search and find like FPJ or something and look and you'll find that like, you'll find a whole bunch of things where it's answered and the best answers, it's actually verified that it was answered. The best answers are at the top, you know, um, can you overdose with FPJ? Like everyone wants to know that, right? And here it is, you know, here's the answer. Overdosing with KMS is similar to overheating, right? You know, um, and Sue's answered this one too, you know, so community of experts,
22:41 KNF support been working on that and that's my alternative to the Facebook even though I'm the admin of the KNF group on on Facebook you know this thing uh you know this thing here see again spam what the heck what the heck and maybe I gotta actually um refresh it but it went away um but yeah and no no spam in the other one um but yeah and the best answers pop to the top you actually have a way of vetting your answers, you know, instead of just someone telling you, read the book, um, you know, um, so anyway, um, building the community, building these things,
23:24 doing these things. That's what I've been up to this past week too, as well. Um, been finalizing the details on getting, um, memberships together, linking three different websites together with OpenID, so, or OAuth2, so if you're a nerd and you're into that kind of stuff, that's what I've been doing, trying to help build the community, trying to get into there, so, so anyway, I don't want to just talk too much, you know, opposition, you know, what can happen, it must happen, the Facebook must be junk in order for other things to evolve, right, you know,
24:04 And if you focus on the junk, you'll never find the solution, the seed of solutions within the good. And it's not 100% junk. I don't want to throw out everything and be like, it was junk. It's actually a good thing. And how many people are in there? Let's see. If I look at this, there's 36,739 people. And people from all over the world. you know I thought was kind of interesting let's look one last thing here engagement is that what I wanted popular posts no I wanted to find out you know it's funny
24:50 popular times popular days the posts I wanted to find participants maybe is what it is here's the top people Rakesh Rakesh you know all these top people none of them that I know of are good natural farmers. I don't know if they've ever taken a class or done anything. And for the first time in a long time, Hilo used to be the top city of contribution and Keal used to always be the top. But now Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam and Foam, Cambodia and Vietnam. Not to say anything against Vietnam and Cambodia and those things, but But, you know, because I haven't participated in this group as much.
25:39 Let's see what Rakesh Rakesh is putting. Yeah, see, this is what she's putting in there. Free hot girls video images. Like, yeah, not, you know. So, and then let's see. Let's see what they're putting in. Okay, this one they updated the cover photo. it looks like they're actually maybe a legitimate person it's in the god let's see new gwen gwen gwen i don't know how to say that let's see you can't even look at them they're maybe banned richard banned so the top posters in the group are now folks that are probably scamming
26:24 you know, scamming stuff or banned or, you know, it's just gone to heck, heckin. It's gone to heckin. Bork, bork with the heckins, you know. And so I'm not sure this person is an actual legit person, but what they're contributing to the Korean Natural Farming Group does not seem positive. Let's see what this person's putting in there. No posts available. Yeah, no, no, I'm just, I'm just going over the quality of the Korean Natural Farming Group. so that's why you're seeing all that i'm just showing that it's like it's gone to um it's gone
27:01 to heck and crud you know so all the top contributors in here are junk versus if you go to um knf support here and you look at the top contributor it's one of the guys that's in the chat here oh how do i see the top contributors um how do i see the top contributors I gotta log oh you know what I gotta log in I gotta log in I log in and I can log in with the pure KNF foundation now baby this is what it took me oh it took me so long to make this happen but I get oh no wait oh yeah because this is logging into the pure KNF foundation pureknf.org
27:40 submit my consent single source of authentication because I can log in from the and then boom now I'm logged in and I get to see the top expert here this month the goof man right he's in the chat and I don't, it's actually isn't set up by month by month, but man, look at this 497. You can look how many answers he's asked a few questions. Apparently I didn't answer him here or nobody answered him, but I tell you what, you look at his answers and man, look at these great contributions he's been making. He's our top guy in KNF support is all I'm saying that, um,
28:17 you know look at how many answers he's put up 90 different answers here and they're all super high quality answers um you know freezing fruits and plant matter and all these things like so he's not just posting pictures of of ladies doing weird things he's putting up quality natural farming answers so just showing you the difference in the communities there and what makes the difference of what, you know, you build a community around something specialized instead of this general tool. And while one goes to hecking, the other goes to quality and better.
28:58 So yeah, the goof man blushing out there because you're the man, man. Like this is like, this is so cool to see how much quality things are put out there of, you know, who's doing it, You know, and here's the, you know, our expert reputation. You know, the Goofman has answered more questions than I have. I'll just have you know that. You know, I put out the office hours to try to do that. And then we got Danny French here and Joe LaRusso. I don't know. He's in, he's here today, maybe. But, you know, folks, folks out there in the community helping out, answering questions
29:36 that are high quality, that aren't just spammy things that are getting, you know, well, I don't know if this is the most high quality answer, but heck it, man, this is where it's at. So, you know, and this is how you get reputation by voting answers up, voting them down, submitting questions, submitting answers. You can get all those answers there. So I'm just saying, I'm not trying to spend too much time on this, but just saying they're, you know, high quality communities do exist. Man, I drank some OHN
30:15 this morning. My wife was a bit under the weather. I drank some OHN and feel my throat going. I tell you what, man, waking up and drinking like vodka with herbs in it. My body does not like alcohol. It's like, oh, I kind of got to choke it down. I diluted it pretty darn well too. And I drank it, but still I can feel that alcohol in my belly. And I'm like, I, you know, being allergic to alcohol and then trying to drink, um, the can of medicine. It's like, Oh my gosh, it's, it's not even, it's a, Oh, sometimes you can't get better, more healthy
30:53 or anything. So, um, yeah, Stone Mason been out on the adventures, but missed you guys. Missed you too, man. I, he, he messaged me saying that he was out skiing out enjoying, I think the last of winter, which is now summer, but all kinds of things. So, yeah, so trying to keep the community roots, but trying to build it better. And now you just saw me do the single sign on. So I will we will be shortly having this where you can get a pure KNF thing here. We're working out ironing out the last details. I got the technical stuff pretty much ironed out.
31:30 but you'll see that we're ironing out the technical details to make it so that you'll have a single sign on. So if you create a account with the Pure KNF Foundation, join a membership there, you'll be able to go to KNF support and our community, which I don't want to get too ahead of myself because I'm still, it's like I'm almost there to launch and it's like you're getting a soft opening here, but I want to have the full opening where we bring this to you and everybody and bring it high quality community to everybody where it's just like, Oh, super simple,
32:10 integrated in good questions and answers, good community, good way to share and share with, you know, interact with each other besides just this, where you're, you know, where you can be here in the YouTube chat, but, um, but you know, it's so like, we got to have something where we're like, yay, we find each other besides the Facebook where it's not all spammy and junk and going to be, you know, um, oh, trolled by an AI and everything. So, um, yeah. So anyway, thinking, planning, prepping everybody and, uh, Western Australia in the house,
32:47 and Northern Michigan. If you're in Northern Michigan, you should check out my friend Mowgli. Again, I got to go to the Facebook here, but he's doing some hemp stuff. He's going to be doing integrating in Mowgli, the Chandra guys, these guys, this guy here. If you're in Northern Michigan, you got to check out Mowgli. He's, he's doing, um, hemp and he's going to be, um, putting the, um, what you call, um, he's going to be putting the IMOs in a lab. We're, we're kind of doing a science experiment right now to put that into his hemp bedding product that he's putting out there.
33:34 So Mowgli, super cool dude. He's in Ganges, Michigan. I don't know where that is. Um, sounds like it's in India, but, you know, look at that funny meme, plant diverse fruit forest or pick mulberries, right? You know, um, and, uh, you know, uh, U.S. Acres hemp license. Oh my gosh, it's going down. The hemp is not, uh, wow. I didn't realize this, that the hemp is going down. But yeah, putting OHN, the KNF medicine in the milk. Good idea. You know, see, this is the thing that I miss about not being on the Facebook is that I
34:22 don't learn these interesting fun facts and these things because I basically don't engage with it anymore. Obviously, I still do have an account to be the admin at the KNF group because I didn't want to lose that asset. It's like, you know, 36,000 people. It's like, it took a while to build up, even though glow started it. I just inherited it. Um, but you know, um, but I try to avoid that thing, man. It's pretty toxic in a lot of ways, more than one. Um, so, um, so what, I guess what I want to do with you guys is, um, is transition over
34:58 to, oh, well, I, you know, I may as well, I may as well, I may as well. open one more tab and may as well plug my class coming up because if you are interested in coming to Hawaii in November or January, I do have classes open. I still have a few spots available for both of these. And there's always plenty of spaces to come to camp. And I can always kind of make more spaces to come in if you want to just take the class and not stay here. But space is limited to stay on the class or stay on the farm. And it's well worth it. It's good fun.
35:42 Great people showing up. So knffarm.com, if you want to come by and learn here, may as well plug this thing because, you know, it's really you want to, you know, get certified in pure KNF in Hawaii. And more than that, it's build camaraderie, do these things. You get a fancy orange hat and a certificate and, um, all that good stuff. Um, and stay on the farm with us and enjoy. Um, so may as well plug that while I'm here. And then I want to transition over to this, which is master Cho picture master Cho. I don't know where I would be without this
36:22 man and his teachings and his things that he's been given to us. And I'm just trying my best to translate, make it easier, make it more digestible, bring these ideas and concepts to the world. But, you know, wish him the best, all the love out to him and his inspirations to me. and let's dive into his presentation um and i want to drink a little bit more of this natural farming stuff here trying to keep my myself going good there there we go that's mostly milk
37:07 um but we're on slide 244 that means we've been going over this for more time than you ever knew was possible um and previous episodes are at knf support office hours you can look at the end table of contents are coming along so you can always look at master chung's presentation there search for that find this we just finished up the pigs i was showing how that um you know Traditionally, a bunch of antibiotics are used, and with natural farming, you don't need it. And with natural farming, they actually produce the hormones against stress, which lowers their ability to have disease.
37:50 And we went over the pigs last time, where this is how they traditionally do it. If you've never been to a pig farm and you're eating bacon, and it's not local and it's commercial, this is what's happening. Versus if you do natural farming, they're in their natural environment with all these beautiful pigs. and it's so much more humane. Like I said, it's all based around harmony, respect, and welfare. Right? And so today, let's dive into the chickens. Because if you, I tell you what, having pigs is a big responsibility. I've been raising pigs for the past 12 years, 13,
38:31 14 years I don't know since a long time ago I've been raising pigs which last time I also went over my how I got into natural farming which I could do more of and I think I'm maybe after this um show a little bit more of my experience but pigs are a oh man if you if you have a lot of food waste like Mao was asking the other day he had this restaurant that had food waste like if you have a lot of food waste you're a you know big farmer you got a bunch of coals and things then get pigs. If you don't have a bunch of food, then don't get pigs. Pigs are, oh man,
39:07 they produce the best IMOs on earth. Don't get me wrong. Like their output of the IMOs and the bacon and the piglets, they're the most fun animal probably to have and to own and to play with and to have just this mutual respect with, but they eat a lot. And if you're not ready for that, start with chickens. You still get pretty decent IMO out of the chicken coop. So today let's dive into chickens, which is much more approachable for most people to have a dozen chickens on a small place. Um, you know, a few, three, four chickens, they can eat your compost, your house
39:39 compost waste, um, coming out all these things. Um, and the least favorite thing about raising pigs is when they get out, man, my pigs are so happy. They come back in. They I'll just be like, Hey, Hey, and they'll come back in and they'll just go right back in. They love their pig pen. But yeah, I did. I did. Actually, I brought a pig over to my my mentor, John, the other day, not Ginger John, but John, John Orlando. And I gave him a pig and his my pig that I gave him escaped and ran away and he'll never find it again.
40:17 um yeah one of my pig had babies which by the way we still have one pig up there um that is um we we kept gg so i still do have one little baby pig she's actually fairly large now um but i just love the baby pigs nothing nothing better in the world in my opinion than the raising baby pigs and getting into this where again this is same same as the pig presentation but this harmony, this respect, and this welfare. These are the three principles. They're kind of based on each other, that when you have good welfare, it's because you're respecting the pigs,
40:54 and then you're working together with them. And they're kind of, you know, this is what makes these things up. They work both ways. Harmony, respect, welfare. Welfare, respect, harmony. And so he's saying harmony of the environment, meaning that, you know, you're working with nature, meaning you're you're aligning the pig they're the chicken barn so that the airflow works the air new air comes in the soil floor um you know everything like that you're respecting your livestock's natural urge meaning that for the chickens they're not you know they're able to
41:27 scratch and peck and you're respecting their um the amount of hens and to roosters so they can build social order you're building the pen the way they want to go so they're not tripping over things. They're not dying. So New Jersey, um, and you are, and again, all that leads down to welfare, which is the livestock barn structure to fit the, fit the livestock properly. You're giving them the right amount of home, not too big, not too small, just like Goldilocks, just right. And you're raising them in the proper, you know, raising space. All these things combine
42:04 to make just like animals that are happy, that are smiling, that are not trying to escape, that are content, that you interact with. So again, just like the pigs, um, it goes back to the barn and you try to make, put your area where you're going to have, um, you know, where you locate your building is super important. Are you just going to put it, you know, you know, like you got to put it where there's um it's it's good for sunshine it says fine for sunshine and ventilation meaning that you know you get good good access to the sun you don't want to put this
42:40 in a shade in a big shadow where the sun can't come down and hit the floor where it can't heat up the roof to get the circulation going you want to put it where there's good sunshine and good ventilation right um you know you need fresh air fresh air is one of the biggest things for you and for other animals like chickens. Firm ground, obviously you want to build on a good foundation with good drainage. You know, that's actually one of the problems of my barn is that when it rains, and when I mean it like it rains like hurricane type rain,
43:13 you know, because it'll rain like, you know, two or three feet a day here in Hawaii, like it'll rain. Sometimes my floor will flood, and so I should have mitigated that because I kind of built it like this picture here. Mine has a little hill above and a bunch of water will flow in there and it will flood. However, I did create a hole in the backside so that when it won't now flood and fill up, water will just kind of, it'll flood through and it's not that big of a deal. I'll come back with lactic acid bacteria, the KNAF protectors,
43:47 put those down and refix the floor and get it back to life and living. It's also good to have a fine view and fresh air. you want your chickens to look at good things. Mine look out at the Pacific Ocean, and they see, you know, it's just, it's beautiful for them. And there's also a lot of fresh air coming down the, you know, on the, on, on, during the day, the ocean, or the wind typically comes right off the ocean, and at night it comes down off the mountain. So really nice for them. Silent and maintaining good quality environment.
44:21 You know, obviously you don't want to put them where there's a ton of noise. chickens like peace. Although a farm that's busy, you know, you do what you do. So, so all those things are the condition of the ground. Next is the direction and arrangement. Again, you kind of want to orient your barn so that it can take the most advantage of about 20 to 30 degrees off of north. And I think this is for the northern hemisphere. It's probably the same for the southern hemisphere. But same idea is that, you know, basically when you do that,
45:00 what happens is in the east, in the morning, the sunlight, it comes in deeply, right? So the sun is going to rise in the east, which I guess is over here, right? And the sunshine comes into the barn, heats it up. In winter, it's warm, but in the afternoon, it's cold. In the west, in the afternoon, it's hot. So this side of the barn on the east side is hot in the morning. And then in the afternoon, this side of the barn is hot. And sunlight shines deeply into that side. So you can get the sun to come in both sides. And then the south, sunshine does not light
45:39 on the barn deeply because the sun's altitude is higher in summer and warm in winter. But I guess this is opposite if you're in the other hemisphere and in the southern hemisphere. I think it's northern hemisphere biased. And then in the north, you know, the sunshine does not light all day. And the north is always colder, right? There's always more snow on the north face, and it's cold in winter. So your south side will get heated up more. Um, so basically if you pay attention to how the sunlight and that's going to traverse across the sky is going to change
46:17 throughout the seasons, you can design your barn so that, um, it really takes advantage of the sunlight energy. And then, yeah, so, and Jared is spraying LAB, the KNF protectors, in the chicken pen while they're out and walking in the garden right now. That's so awesome. Taking good care of chickens, man. Nothing better than that. The eggs are delicious, and then we usually hatch a bunch and we'll kill the roosters and eat them and then keep the hens and make more eggs. So here here's an example of Master Cho's ideal barn and you know you see his curved roof but the main thing
47:02 is you don't need this curved roof you know build you know like we have a Conway greenhouse that's just a straight straight roof you don't need this curve but the curve is ideal because as the air blows over, it'll suck out more air. But the main thing is that from the ground up to the chicken's nose and from the ground up to the pig's nose, there is an opening on your sides. You do not want to put a wall up here on the sides. You want this to be open because what happens is the air will then be drawn in here at the bottom and this will take gases like ammonia and whatever and all
47:38 those types of things. Those gases will come out and then if you leave a slit in the top of your roof here where the sun will heat up the roof. That hot air, that hot roof will heat up the air here, which will then the hot air will want to leave because hot air rises and the hot air will be drawn out. And what will happen is cool air will be drawn in and the hot air will rise out and it will cause this ventilation to happen. And you can see that you can see this in action where you can walk into my barn. It'll be hot outside standing out here. You walk into the barn and it's
48:12 cooler inside. So this idea where the cool air is drawn in and out and up through the top and this metal roof, you don't want to insulate it because the metal roof is heated up from the sun and that's what draws out your air. So this is his ideal barn setup and that's what he has there. Here's another look at it of, you know, the poultry house. This is again, I think that says east. and so on the or no excuse me this is the south side this is south so on the south side the side that's facing your sun the most which I guess would be opposite in the southern hemisphere but
48:52 but on your south side you do want it so that the sun the the entry is this way this is the east that's the west, right? And so your, your south side will have the opening where the chickens will come in. And this can open on the south side so that the sunlight can go through. And if you don't have a retracting roof, again, that's, that's okay. I don't have one either. I'm not, you know, it's expensive, but here, this farm here, I went to this in Korea. This is an example and this is the south side. This is the chicken pens. They're all in there. These are the chickens
49:32 here going in. And I actually went to this chicken farm. So let me show you here. Let's see here, YouTube. You can go down to my channel there. I'm just going to go to my channel here. And And let's see here. So transition this back over here. So I went to that chicken farm. So if you scroll down on my channel here and you go down to demo farms in Korea, an example tours, I reckon this chicken farm. Let's see. Let's put this back here. and let's see here here's it here it is so right here pure KNF commercial egg laying chicken and
50:24 natural farm this is that chicken farm here so I'm gonna mute that down here and you know what let me make this like that so I can hear that but but this is that chicken farm here so you can see all the chickens inside. They have these auto feeders, which, you know, this guy's kind of, you know, he automated it. Master Cho would tell you that's wrong. But this is that chicken farm. So here's walking outside of it, looking at it. You know, and inside of each of these, they have 120 birds. These are their small ones. That's their hen box that they'll go in eventually.
51:05 But you can see they still have their original brooder house. So these are younger chickens that he's going through and looking at. And then, what is this? This is his egg cleaning operation inside. So he was, you know, with a few people, he was able to like collect all the eggs, wash them all, do some sophisticated things. But let's go back to the chicken pens themselves. Let's see here. Yeah, so this is looking at, you know, there's the hen laying box. He has some auto feeders coming down, the water trough on the backside.
51:38 um but this is that chicken farm so if you're curious you know that's that's what it looks like up close you can watch the video see more details on that thank you for the super chats oh cool cool makes it uh makes it nice because i've been doing some fun stuff for natural farming so so that's where it is you can see that in the video on my channel down on the korean you know demos in Korea and then that playlist and see those there. Um, so, uh, we've eaten eggs raw at multiple places. There's other chicken farms that I've been to, um, Mr. Lee's farm where the
52:19 quail farm is, which there's another, um, another chicken farm since, since you mentioned it, um, Mr. Lee's farm. So if I go back here from this and I go back to my channel here, let's, let's turn that off there. Um, but if I go back to Mr. Mr. Lee's farm, is it on here? So, um, yeah, the quail farm. Ooh, maybe it wasn't there. This is before he even built his quail farm. This is what it looked like before he built it. Wow. So the quail farm was running, but this was his chicken farm. This was he built it before. Wow. This is some classic stuff.
53:04 And then if you go back, but if you really want to find, you know, Mr. Lee's stuff here, it's also on these basic Korean natural farming courses on the basic poultry. if I view all these and I go down to, you know, here's his poultry farm. Oh, this is in his barn building, all that. But on this one, there's a bunch. I mean, we were basically in this thing. Here's his farm a little bit. Let's see here. Are we inside? we might be going to Muju. Do we go to Muju? Yeah, we went to Muju. Okay, but let's go back here, actually. Let's go back to this one.
53:50 Let's find out where... Are we actually in the chicken farm? I know we went in there. Anyway, it's all over in here. Not this one. Let's go to this one and see. Did we go to the poultry farm? Yeah. No, this is the government learning center. We started there. wait we didn't go we had to yeah here here we go um yeah here here is mr lee's so all these again kind of a different setup but all the chickens here inside um you know same same type of thing. Um, 12 by 24, um, pen for actually mine's 14 by 24 pen that they're in. Let's see here.
54:38 Do we, do I get a better angle? There we go. There's a better angle of looking in. So again, they're roost in the back. There are things, Mrs. Lee feeding the chicken. She throws out a little bit to psych them out. So we'll run, throw some in each thing. Um, and then she'll dump most of food into the deal, but the chickens get so happy when you feed them. Um, and that's Mrs. Lee. She, she's an amazing woman, uh, running the farms here. And then this, so she goes in with that little bucket to kind of distract all the chickens. And then they come in with the main feed
55:10 and then they'll fill these up. Is that Oma doing that? Oma, you're so good. Um, but she'll you know um so that's mr lee there and he's probably gonna be feed these mikey what's up mikey shout out to mikey on oahu mikey basket um so i think mikey's gonna feed him huh wow what a privilege um but looking at these oh you know what i can do i can make this a little bit bigger for you guys so you can see but mrs lee pushing this around um bringing in their main feed kind of distract them with a little bit of feed first and then using this dustpan or shovel
55:50 thing and she's speaking Korean and then there's our water here so you guys can see this a little bit but she's putting it all into their feed thing there I think he's explaining the water a little bit as that guy. Um, and yeah, so there's, there's, uh, Mikey feeding, feeding the chickens, you know, and this is how they're fed each day, uh, doing that. So, so anyway, let's get back to the presentation here of this, um, going, going a little long on that, showing you some videos and doing that. But, um,
56:34 You know, the basic characteristics of the natural farming, there's convection, meaning there's good airflow. So they get, you know, as the building moves the convection through the sunshine. Chickens love to do sunbathing. They love dustbathing in the sun. If you watch them in the morning, they'll lay in the sun and dustbat themselves. And then the ground management. You know, the floor is natural. natural. It's not just concrete, right? You're putting them on natural where they can dig down six, eight inches into soil and living floor with good microorganisms and proper raising space.
57:16 When you raise them properly where the chickens can run back and forth and they're not just like locked still, their organs develop better and they get less respiratory problems and they have better intestines and they can digest better with their crops. And so they have better organs and better frames of the chickens. You know, most commercial chickens are grown where they can't even move or they're put in a cage where they can't move at all the egg laying hens. You know, they're locked in a small cage and they can't get their, you know, their organs don't function
57:47 well. It's like a nightmare. Think of, imagine you were locked in a small little room and like couldn't move around. It's like the commercial stuff is pretty gnarly, but all these things together when you do that adds to livestock welfare, right? And if you have, you're thinking of them and then they're going to perform better for you, be happier. And you're just a better quality human being when you're taking good care of animals. And so again, the characteristics of natural farming, it's all about reducing production costs. You know, other people think they're
58:17 reducing production costs by, by locking chickens and small things and putting them all in a dark room and doing this, but they spend tons of energy on it versus you give them natural things and a living floor and they'll utilize their manure as a feed. As it's digested on the floor, you'll reduce your feed cost. Um, the, you know, plenty of feed resource training organ. Like, so if you get their organs to be better because they can run back and forth, so they're better intestines, they will utilize more of the feed that you're giving them. Their digestibility index will
58:52 increase. Um, so they're getting more feed per feed unit. You're getting a better digestibility index with better, um, better organs in them. Um, you'll save costs by antibiotics and medical costs because they don't need antibiotics or, um, vaccines because the air, they have good airflow. They, they're not in a disease causing, um, situation. So you save money there and, um, and you're utilizing natural farming materials, meaning that material material, because you can actually feed them like grasses and things like that. And by fermenting their
59:35 feeds, you can use all kinds of what would be waste products and turn them free the via the power of fermentation and microorganism digestion, turn them into good foods for your chickens. so all those things add to reducing cost and you'll actually it's it's on par if not cheaper than doing it um you know the way they they treat like nightmare chicken like tyson food type stuff um and so again characteristics of natural farming it's labor saving right because you again you don't have to clean your chicken pen right which they don't clean them anyway but they're so disease
1:00:10 ridden and so gross that after they're done with a batch of chickens it's like oh and then you got all that nightmare stuff coming out of there that's just like manures that are just like super over nitrogen and pathogens living in them. And so you don't have to clean or remove the manure. You save labor on there because it's just digested on the floor. You can leave chickens living in the same space for like, you know, my chicken pen's like 15 years old. Since 2012, the thing was built so whenever that you know i don't know what is it 10 years 11 years 12 years
1:00:47 old is what it is um you know and eco-friendly no wastewater no odor no noise is you know is way down um and um you know reduce damage from insect like you know you just don't have these problems that you would get and there's you know eco-friendly there's no wastewater no odor no noise um and so um so oh man i you know before i get into this chicken feed because it's really going to be a larger topic and i'm looking here i'm just going to give you a little preview because we're almost at the end of the hour and instead of jumping into the chicken feed i'll just leave
1:01:24 it as a cliffhanger for next time of you know but basically we're going to get into the feed what to feed them. I'll go over the feeds, um, you know, how to do feeding them egg yolks, feeding them all these things, how to have, make their brooder box, how to brew baby chicks, um, how to go through all this, their water pipe, uh, their feed boxes, you know, how, how they go, what they do, their laying boxes, um, perching all these things. So, um, you know, and when you have the layer chickens, they're in harmony. They're really peaceful with each other. And if they're not,
1:02:02 you put them in a small jail until they get better. But we'll go over all this. And here's the egg. Here's that egg that you can pick up going there. Comparison of the yolk colors. You know, and so we'll go, we'll go through all this and it will cover brooder chicken or excuse me, broiler chickens as well. All this, you know, and more. So we'll go over those next time. Maybe you know, we won't get to the whole thing. We'll probably, you know, try and cover as much as I can, but that's coming up. So if you are interested in more raising chickens, uh, be sure to tune in
1:02:40 next week. Um, it's a good thing I looked at it today cause I will kind of augment that. And, um, here I just want to share one last thing. If I can find it one last thing, let me see here. I know here there was an egg thing where it wasn't this one I took a little break and I ate a raw egg and I almost vomited I wanted to share that bit with you that little clip but I don't think I can find it maybe we'll start off next week's with that so anyway um i want to thank you guys for tuning in all over the world coming in from you know
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1:04:11 because I know you are. Even if there's opposition, this is a lesson you're supposed to learn for some reason. Uh, but appreciate you all. Thank you. Uh, I'm going to switch this over to this one here and then, uh, you know, long live the natural farmer. Aloha. Love you all. Aloha. Bye now.