OHN for Cold Soil, Sprayer vs Atomizer, and Slug Control with IMO4
Drake opens with the I Ching hexagram Kun, the receptive, then moves into questions. For cold, dry planting at 3 degrees Celsius, he recommends KNF medicine (garlic, ginger, cinnamon, licorice, angelica) to warm up grasses and speed their metabolism, plus biochar to help with dry soil. On sprayers, he walks through his own setup, the Maruyama MS-75E, a 50-gallon diaphragm pump, and his Agras T40 drone (eyeing an upgrade to the T50 for more spray volume), and says he does not recommend atomizers except for very small areas.
He explains why KNF structure solution shows up in every recipe: food, cleanser, medicine, and structure map to the basic physiological needs in Maslow's hierarchy, and per Master Cho you always need them except right before harvest. He points members to his 2021 FAM class videos on his YouTube channel for a full walkthrough of the recipe book, and confirms his own Pure KNF book, at knfsupport.com or naturalfarming.net, is the go-to reference.
The back half is Madadg (Jadam): the history of Cho Han-kyu's father starting natural farming after the Korean War, a critique of Jadam's cost-savings claims and the loss of creativity and autonomy in conventional ag, and the idea of amplifying indigenous microbes from your own region instead of buying commercial inputs. He ties this to the idea that pests are janitors that show up on unhealthy plants, not healthy ones.
For slugs, Drake says too much bacteria (common with heavy Jadam use) causes them, and the fix is building IMO up to IMO4 to bring in fungus and balance the bacteria; short term, he shares Young Song's caustic soap-and-sodium-hydroxide recipe with a warning to use extreme care. He points a question about seaweed in a large Johnson-Su bioreactor to Richard Noonan in Australia, and for earwigs suggests direct removal or Stonemason's recipe, with better plant health as the real long-term fix.
Questions answered
- 11:23 Cold, dry planting season for Mediterranean plants at 3°C on arid sand, any suggestions? — Use KNF medicine (ginger, garlic, cinnamon, licorice, angelica) to warm and speed up metabolism, and get biochar into the soil for the dryness.
- 12:55 How does Drake feel about spraying microbes through a sprayer or atomizer? — He favors pump and drone sprayers like the MS-75E; atomizers rarely help and only make sense on very small areas.
- 22:16 Christoph says KNF medicine, structure, reproduction, and fuel are making his plants perk up right away — Drake says it works fast because the solutions go directly into the leaves.
- 31:00 Update on tomatoes after overwatering last week's advice — Drake says the KNF sprays cleared up the sick, likely powdery-mildew leaves while new healthy growth came in.
- 31:53 Why is KNF structure solution in every recipe? — Structure is a basic physiological need, like food, cleanser, and medicine, in Master Cho's method, needed at all times except right before harvest.
- 35:29 Looking for the video series covering the whole KNF recipe book page by page — Points to his 2021 FAM class presentation videos on his YouTube channel that go through every solution.
- 39:30 What is the go-to book for KNF? — His own Pure KNF book, available at knfsupport.com or naturalfarming.net.
- 57:03 What would you recommend for gazillions of slugs eating my vegetables? — Slugs come from too much bacteria, so build IMO up to IMO4 to bring in fungus, or use Young Song's short-term soap and sodium hydroxide recipe with extreme caution.
- 59:12 Has anyone used seaweed as greens in a large Johnson-Su bioreactor? — Talk to Richard Noonan in Australia, who specializes in Johnson-Su bioreactors.
- 1:01:09 Dealing with earwigs eating flowers and swimming in the kid's pool — Kill them directly if needed, but usually more plant health is the real fix, and follow Stonemason's recipe.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Intro
- 1:47 I Ching: Kun, the receptive
- 5:47 Facebook group and KNF support updates
- 11:23 Cold, dry planting season: OHN and biochar
- 12:55 Sprayers vs atomizers
- 22:16 KNF medicine results from a member
- 25:16 Spray technique demo
- 29:43 Drone sprayer wishlist
- 31:00 Tomato recovery update
- 31:53 Why KNF structure is in every solution
- 35:29 Where to find the full recipe walkthrough
- 39:30 The go-to KNF book
- 42:50 Madadg history: Cho Han-kyu's father
- 48:31 Jadam critique: cost and autonomy
- 53:33 Ask Nature: indigenous microbes and pests
- 57:03 Slug control with IMO4
- 59:12 Seaweed in Johnson-Su bioreactors
- 1:01:09 Earwigs
- 1:02:36 Wrap-up and next week preview
Transcript
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1:00 Aloha, and welcome to Office Hours for Korean Natural Farming. Brought to you by Pierre K&F Foundation, teachings of Master Cho. Bringing them to you for a full hour every Sunday at 9am. Ask any questions you want, and we will answer those as best as we can to get that so that... Oh, boy. Why is that going? We got Russell Brand going. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So, yeah. Hey, what's up, Goof? Good to see you. What's up, Cecily? How's it? How's it? Glad we're here.
1:47 And June 23rd. We'll start with a bit of higher wisdom to start off today. Let's see what's in store. and today is number two it's uh it's earth over earth and the receptive so it says bear with things as the earth bears with us by yielding by accepting by nourishing Kun, the receptive, is the complement to Qin, the creative. It is the dark which is illuminated by light, the earth which receives the blessings of heaven,
2:34 the vessel into which nourishment flows. This is a time to follow rather than lead. It's a time to assist rather than initiate. to listen rather than talk. Redevote yourself to the cultivation of modesty, receptivity, and gentleness now, and let go of the concerns about the conduct of others or the progress of your worldly ambitions now. The wisdom of cultivating receptivity cannot be overstated. Receptivity is the rich earth without which the creative cannot take root in our lives.
3:24 The fundamental hexagram serves as a strong encouragement to you to concentrate on your capacities to nourish, to support, to accept, to work without desiring recognition, to follow the guidance of the sage. You can benefit greatly in a period like this from time spent in solitude. In quietness, we have the opportunity to focus on the purification of our hearts and minds. It is a good time to ask oneself, am I sincerely pursuing good for its own sake? Or do I have a hidden agenda?
4:11 If so, detach from it and return to the path of independence and balance. Through humility and openness, we become receptive to the assistance of the higher power. Well, definitely apropos for me here today, thinking about everything I do and just go on nourishing. continue to do it without, uh, you know, any other agenda other than just doing good for good's sake. Sup, Christoph! Yo, ho, Stonemason! We got a whole bunch of members in the house. What's up? What's up? Yeah, you know, just do good for good's sake. I, sometimes often we think in the world
5:02 it's like quid pro quo, like, I'm gonna do good so that I get good things back, like karma. and I don't think the universe really works that way I think it's more like you do good just because it's the good thing to do bad things still gonna happen to you even if you're you know the best goodest person uh so just doing good without a hidden agenda you know it's like I'm doing this good because I want this it's like I don't know just to keep doing good You know, Master Cho over here, doing good. Hanging out, just doing good.
5:41 Doing the office hours for no other reason other than just it's the right thing to do, right? You know, being here, supporting Korean natural farming, doing the right thing. So, this week, a couple things going on. Got an email from Bredren Joel down in Panama. and I haven't heard from him for a while, but he let me know that he just wanted to mention that the Facebook group has been doing really well, and he said they have new member engagement, people asking questions and getting answers, and it's great to see the bots have been pretty much
6:26 eliminated completely, so I'm glad we made the changes that we did, and the group is reaping the benefits and the new members can get the help they're looking for, which is what I like to see. Yeah, so still, let's see, still running a Facebook group out there in the world. I absolutely loathe the platform, but some people still into it. I'm glad Joel's there. He used to tune into Office Hours. I haven't seen him for a while, but yeah, Korean Natural Farming Group, Still doing well. Let's see. Advertising office hours. That's cool.
7:03 And there's people in here asking all kinds of questions that have been answered a thousand times. And it would be so much cooler if all these folks used KNF support. because this website here, KNF port, oh, could be answered and then answered and then you could view the answer and then you can find it. Unlike Facebook, which is always just taking, always wanting more, always wanting more input, always wanting more data, always answering the same questions that have been answered so many times.
7:50 And, you know, that's why I created this instead of that. So anyway, I'm glad that this other group, because it used to be used to be just permeated by all kinds of stuff, you know, and this this person's the science of no bad bacteria. You know, and then was there any link to the video that I wrote on there? No. So it's kind of just this community that likes to just continually engage in this always going through the same stuff, it seems. Whereas I think, I don't know, maybe the office hours goes deeper.
8:38 I don't know if any of these people tune in. Uh, so it's just, you know, um, there's no, you know, I mean, no link, maybe, maybe, you know, maybe it's me that should link it, but I, but I, I just, you know, I mean, despite starting this or not starting it, but running this community for many years, I just, I have no interest in it. Facebook, what a terrible platform. Um, but maybe, maybe some of you found me through that and all that. So anyway, I don't know. Starting there, is that nourishing? I don't know. But I'm glad it's not weird, spammy porn stuff anymore.
9:22 And because that was pretty, pretty gnarly when you just go there and see. And it's good to see that natural farming is spreading around the world. Maybe I should just continually spam that group to go to KNF support and actually learn and move on. But it seems that, you know, I don't know, certain things, certain people just want to continually answer the same questions. Like, I think that was that's something that my personality type doesn't really engage in. I like to go further and like answer the basics and create machines that make machines and or
10:00 create something that's like you know answer it once and have it forever type thing instead of always like answering the same basic questions over and over and when I go to research things I try to seek out and find things and then like further my knowledge into it like I find a good YouTube channel. Uh, I'll just like watch a bunch of their videos and find out, you know, as much as I can and explore deeper. And some people, I don't, I think they just watch one and then whatever the algorithm pops to them there, they're watch the next one. And it's like, I guess it's whether
10:33 you're, um, you know, they say program or be programmed, but anyway, point is that, um, with Joel, with that thing here, um, that, uh, it's doing well, which is cool to know, you know, because I at least don't want it to do bad. And I have the sole admin in there, which is kind of funny. That was the first time I looked at the group in probably a couple, like a year maybe. But yeah, anyway, created a bunch of other things. KNF support, office hours, these things to actually support folks instead of asking the same questions over and over. It's like you can look at how many archives
11:16 in that office hours and just dive deep and just be like, whoa. And, uh, yeah. So anyway, um, questions here, cold, cold and dry during planting season for Mediterranean plants, currently three degrees Celsius. Any suggestions, planting grass, lupines, ceredillas at two hectares of arid sand, um, cold and dry planting season you know um always cold and dry uh well dry always biochar getting getting your carbon up in your soil it's the number one thing um but cold um the ohn for cold and i call it ohn oh my gosh that's just because i was looking at the group now i'm almost stuck
12:04 in acronym land which is why i think people have so many problems over there um but no um knf medicine. Throw that in. It'll heat up your grass and help it warm up and increase its metabolic cycle. So, yep, using the KNF medicine and the garlic, the ginger, the cinnamon, or the licorice, cinnamon and angelica all of these um help to increase the the meta metabolic rate that your grasses and everything can do help some shave off stave off the cold and that little alcohol helps warm them up a little bit um so applying medicine out to your grasses if they're just
12:55 starting out and doing that. Um, and then, yeah, that's, um, that's what I would say to do is, uh, avoid the cold by staying warm with all these nice warming herbs. And, um, yeah. So, and then how do I feel about spraying microbes through a sprayer or atomizer? Um, speaking of, um, let's see here going over here go and search for answers let's just search sprayer let's see so sprayer here this one here
13:42 this goofman answers here he's been using a hand pump sprayer hose end sprayer. Never had an issue with the spray. Got this electric hand sprayer from Sunjo that he's using. Yeah, so I think electric sprayer make it easier on you. And then large pump sprayer. Yeah, and I also use a drone. and then I answered it here and I use a Maruyama MS-75E sprayer one on foot and a 50 gallon Gearmore
14:28 diaphragm pump on the tractor and someone else saying this sprayer let's check this one out nope it's not there um so um what i find is that yeah these these types of sprayers are great um atomizers i'm not the biggest fan of atomizing it um it just uh it depends it all depends yeah ryobi electric spray is what susley is using um um, um, you know, spraying. So pump sprayer. Yeah. Uh, an atomizer, I would say not to use,
15:17 I've used an atomizer and it's just, it all depends on your setup and situation. Like that's, that's the thing. The sprayer is so like, you have to tune that to your, to what makes sense. If you're, if you're spraying a huge area, you want to get a lot of coverage. if you're spraying a small thing you know just a small hem mist pump I find an atomizer is kind of overkill uh just because it's atomizing it and it's not you're not actually like I haven't seen benefit from it I'll just put it that way cost for benefit especially the way they're like
15:49 so awkward it's like a sprayer on top the tank below and you got to like hold that thing like talk about back problems where you have that hose coming off it and you're just like I just I never want to carry water is really what it comes down to or more than a gallon or two of water just heavy it'll break you know i'm getting old it'll it'll break you um so sprayer my favorite my favorite spray is the ms75e they did just um agras t50 they did just release one of these here agras t50 this is you know this is what i want to upgrade to here
16:26 get one of these bad boys out there because look at this it can spray it can spray off four if it's front and back and for KNF one I have a t40 and it slows the drone down because it can't spray enough volume for how fast it's going so I want to upgrade to a t50 this would be nice so we'll see what we can do with the um with the the foundation i don't know it seems kind of ridiculous we have the t40 it works really well but uh t50 it would it wouldn't go even better for knf because it can put out so much more volume for where it's flying um it'd also be
17:08 nice to modify that you know t the t40 to do that but yeah this uh this drone man perfect coverage perfect up you can set it exactly to spray 25 gallons per acre go out there do exactly what it needs to do um and so you guys electric sprayer like ryobi uh sprayer so you guys using this one here this one looks nice i would use this if i was on a small area this would be the one this would be it go to do i want a lot home depot wants to know your location block why why do you want to know my location this one looks nice i would probably use something like this if i had a small area to go
17:57 you know it's not too much water to carry how much one gallon yeah chemical sprayer tool um let's see what else did they have here a backpack sprayer i don't think i would recommend this i mean if you had a bigger area maybe I just carrying four gallons of water sounds like you're going to break your back. But at least having it electric. When we were talking with Yarrow and Earl and Spencer, they were saying, you know, these are where it's at. But they also like the MS-75E. What about this one? I think this is a paint sprayer. I don't know. Maybe this one. Anyone use this one?
18:43 it takes a doesn't say what the volume is I think there's a paint sprayer this thing might work though yeah paint sprayer ideal for commercial use going to try a fire pump soon to do my quarter acre circles. You know, a fire pump. Like, you know, I mean, if I look up sprayers and I look up, you know,
19:29 something that's a large sprayer. That's like the $7,000 sprayer here. Let's pull this one up. can I come on something like this probably puts out more volume than you need you know if you're going this route here where you're putting out this much through a sprayer maybe maybe maybe but maybe some sort of system where you're going more along the lines of what Steven's doing nature's always right and you're going more along i would just go to his website here
20:21 and um does he does he actually show his videos here um i think he's just trying to sell his courses here um let's just check out his youtube and without getting banned here every time I go to YouTube it gets demonetized but let's see let's search here say drench yeah okay here he's drenching where is his um here we go gravity fertilizer so so this oh i'm gonna watch ads no way um how do i skip it
21:14 oh my gosh sorry i'm making you watch an ad through this um uh so nature's always right so um without this getting demonetized i'd say instead of doing a sprayer for doing large area I would do something more like this, where basically what he's doing is he's taking this pipe and cut a bunch of holes in this and or he made a slit down it. And then he's just driving this around on a trailer on the back of his truck, which he could balance that better over the wheels. It'd probably be better for him and put this longer pipe coming out of here. But this, instead of
21:49 trying to go a sprayer, if you're doing, shoot, if you're doing larger areas, this type of setup where you're just doing a massive drencher instead of trying to spray large areas, just driving this way. Unless, you know, I don't know. I think the, these solutions are, you know, it's a little bit more out of the box. He built this thing himself and he's just drenching and he's able to drive over the areas and do this. And he said this was fairly effective to do this. So, um, so anyway, that's, you know, that's my advice on sprayers is not an atomizer, but these types
22:24 of scenarios. It depends. If you're on a tiny thing, maybe an atomizer might work for you, but I'm pretty sure you're going to find that the atomizer is not, uh, not where it's at. Just, just my opinion, man. And then Christoph, um, Christoph saying I'm using, uh, KNF medicine, structure, reproduction, and fuel right now. Almost feels like cheating my plants perk right up. I got protectors fermenting right now. Bless you, man. Bless you. It's so cool to see that that's happening, that, you know, tuned in, found those solutions and it's like cheating.
23:02 It really is right. Because these solutions go directly into the leaves, immediate turnaround. It's cool. It's cool to see that, that, you know, when you make the solutions, you use them, they work and that's amazing. So, um, yeah, blessed love out to you, man. Um, it's cool to see when you actually do the stuff, it works. And maybe, uh, how are you applying your stuff? Maybe you can drop some knowledge in here and say, say what you're doing. Cause if it's working and it's working and you're using these things, maybe you are using an atomizer. I don't know.
23:36 What are you using to put it out there? Um, yeah, the Ryobis, you know, the one gallon, um uh amy did a some a sump pump and a 44 gallon drum on the on the trailer yeah um a sump pump you know i use a sump pump to reload the drone um so doing those things so he's using the riobe for soft washing houses with bleach that's awesome we have a cheaper Chinese version
24:22 fire pumps for protection oh ok ok yeah well if you do I guess if you already have it on hand then using it using the fire pumps using those things, the cheaper Chinese version. Thanks, China. Um, you know, but thinking, thinking about, you know, what, what size acreage you have to what, what makes sense for you. Hey, what's up? We got Poland at the house. What's up, Andrew? Um, and then, uh, let's see here. Hang on one sec. The other, you know, I don't know. Did I, let's see here. Hang on. Let me do this this way and bring this one over here that way we can watch youtube without ads um
25:05 i'm a premium subscriber on one account at least um so let's see here let's go to um let's go to the channel here and since we're just talking casually about sprayers I'm trying to be receptive here. I'd rather listen than talk. Let's see. So, I think down here, did I put it up? Well, there's the drone. This is the, oh, the spreader. The spreader doesn't work very well, by the way.
25:53 But yeah, spreading IMO from a drone, how cool is that? If you could make it come out of there easily. See how I have to rock it back and forth to get it to spread? The spreader does not work very well, just to let you know. But let's see. Let me just search for drench. Let's see, because ultra low cost KNF, wisdom, seed soak. Oh, seed soak solution, there you go. Here's a way how to apply. We were just doing this off the tractor. This was before we got the other back of the tractor spreader. Did I never put the drench video out? Maybe I never put it out. I don't know.
26:35 Sometimes I make videos and I don't even post them. I got to make like an easy website to go through and find these things because there's so many resources, but then it's just like, who's ever going to dig through this? There's too much, right? And people don't know where to start and they don't know what to do. And none of the social media favors me and buries me. So, but here's, mute that, but that is, you know, here's my mom just going with, you know, So this is, you see, she can change how it's spraying, whether it's thick or thin, and
27:21 she's just going around spraying the thing. So this is what I recommend, especially if, you know, you're moving around a whole lot, is just to spray, you know, the tractor's just used to move this barrel around, although you can put the barrel, oh, there's Honey Dog, man, she passed away. Hello, honey. But it's an MS-75E, and then it's going into this 40-gallon tank there. and then oh look at that nice pineapple she harvested look at that nice pineapple so you can harvest while you're out look at these nice pineapples coming in um but she's spraying this
27:56 way and that's she's actually spraying a little slow could be moving a bit quicker she's really drenching those things and then I was just moving the bucket closer to where she is but you can basically stash these buckets around where you need to go and then just carry that way she's not carrying a whole bunch of weight, right? She's moving around and able just to carry the hose and the spray tip, right? Like that's, that's always, you know, that's always my, um, my advice for spring. And then look at these nice pineapples coming out. Um, yeah, it's pineapple
28:31 season. It's coming up soon. Hopefully you guys are ready. I don't know where you're at, but it's pineapple season in Hawaii. Oh, look at these nice longans. That's my dad there. Oh, no, those are early light cheese. Excuse me. Early light cheese. Avocado. And you can reach up to the top with this spray gun, too. You know, you can adjust the flow on the back. And she is spraying a little hard at it and a little too much, but, you know, I'd move a little quicker. But anyway, those are the, you know, there you go. There's a practical thing carry like, you know, with the, um, okay. So,
29:10 um, I have one, a little one gallon pump sprayer for my 12 meters squared, um, beds for the grow light spray, just hand spray, still figuring the stuff. Yeah. So a hand spray, see, I mean, most, most applications are going to be that, you know unless unless you're already like a large acreage and then you probably already have sprayed equipment and it's just like requisiting requis making that stuff work for it um 33 acres of desperate sand would love a drone but beyond the old old age pension never stop believing
29:49 cecily get uh start a gofundme around you for people to be like man i i bet you you're so sweet nice. I bet you people would fund you and to see like, you know, um, and then just, uh, put, put the drone spur in a trust. So if, uh, you know, since, since you are elderly, that it goes to then to a bunch of people after you, you, uh, you become compost and then they can have the drone and build a foundation around that, but never, never give up, never give up, uh, and have it so that you can get that because people in Australia, man, this is like Australian
30:24 in tech. They need this. Uh, maybe talk to, uh, what's his name? I, uh, I did a thing or, uh, friendly Jordies or those other YouTube dudes. They got, they got a lot of money. They may have millions of views. I'm sure they would love to help you out. I don't know. I just, you're, you're so sweet and kind and everything. How can, how can people not donate to you? It's like, and, and you're so like doing it still. It's like, Oh my gosh, it's just, it's, it's wild. You're, you're amazing. You inspire me every day. I tell you, think about you all the
30:53 time. So Andrew was saying thanks for last week's advice for the tomatoes getting better. The problem could be I over watered them. Now the KNF is doing its job. The sick leaves dried up. The new ones are on. So yeah, so maybe we helped out. I think we were helping out with powdery mildew or some kind of leaf fungus, right? I think that's what it was. I got to go check last week. yeah and Fimco spray running off those yeah so great Andrew great cool yeah leave the old leaves on it didn't spread right because then you started to treat it it doesn't spread takes the nutrition out moves it around
31:33 in all the solutions there is KNF structure why so that's a great question so in all the solutions, there's KNF structure. Why? Because, I mean, the short answer is why is there KNF structure in each thing, each solution? So if we go, this is the maintenance solution. So there's food, cleanser, medicine structure, because if you think about it, you need the basics, right? You need food. This is like Maslow's law. Let's look that up first. Maslow's hierarchy of need. Okay. So let's pull this up here. And, uh, why can I get a large picture? There we go. So,
32:20 um, first you need down at the bottom. Uh, I don't know if this is the best one. Sexual intimacy. I'm not sure. Okay. But anyway, you need breathing, food, water, sex, sleep, homeostasis, excretion. Okay. So this is like, is this, let's see, is there a better one than this? uh yeah okay maybe this one yeah okay okay let's look at this one okay so you need food water warmth and rest okay then you need security safety then you need intimate relationships and friends then you need prestige feeling of accomplishment then you need achieving one's full
32:59 potential and creative activities okay so this is like down here the physiological needs you need Food, water, warmth, and rest. And so if you look at that and then you juxtapose that to natural farming, you have food, right? Needed. Cleanser to get rid of excretion, get rid of the waste. You need medicine to stay healthy, right? I didn't mention health. And you need warmth, which is coming from your structure, right? You're building a structure around you, right? You need these things, right? You need a food, cleanser, medicine structure.
33:33 These are the basic needs of every single thing all the time is these, right? And so why is structure always in there? Because you always need it. It's a physiological need. You always need it. Plus, it's not like I made this stuff up. This is just coming from Master Cho. This is like how he says, you know, what to do with these solutions. And if you look at this, it's the common denominator. It's in every solution. Why do we use it all the time? because you're always in the only time you don't need that is when you're about to be harvested.
34:05 And so this is in the basics of you're always needing it, right? You're always needing food, cleanser, medicine, structure. These are the basic needs that you always need. And so include them, right? So, um, that's, that's what it's based off. It's based off of these principles. Also, also this chart is direct, you know, comes from master Joe. There's multiple, uh, there are a few different versions of this and some are more precise and more better this is the most generalized this is master cho's recommendation so why is it always in my stuff because it came from master cho
34:40 right so that's that's that's why it's there um so um yeah so so structure always being in there makes sense you're always going to need structure structure gives you not only physical structure above the ground structure also helps promote root growth in korean natural farming and you always need roots always every time except for right when you're about to be harvested so all those things come together and um and work that's why it's always in there it is the maslow's laws, principles of life. So, okay. So, okay. Yeah. So Marty, Marty Raspberry talking about the,
35:29 the video series, looking for your video series, covering your whole recipe. You did the last 10 minutes of your live chat going into detail per page. It was perfect. And I often want to refer new people to KNF. Um, so, um, so if you look at my channel here, uh, I think maybe you're looking for that video. Um, and so that video, let's just go back to the channel, uh, home here. So I'm looking at just the channel. And, um, one of those that I covered the whole book was this one, I reckon let's just pull this one up and see um let's see did i know this was a presentation that
36:14 i did this one's good oh no this one does go over over all the solutions so this one does go this is this is what i did for the fam class um and three years ago so 2021 right so talking about a maintenance solution all these things here going through i did just do oh and then this one has the microbial theory, right? The good versus the bad versus the neutral, um, and going through it. So this one here is a good presentation. This one I made just like specifically here, made this one. And then, um, so this one, I'll just, I'll link it in the chat. Um,
36:52 but um so that that one is a good one and then i did another one for fam uh not too long ago i don't know ah man finding this stuff is always like wild um there's another video um let's see here they'll have bad thumbnails so it's easy to find how many videos there are. I mean, maybe this is part of the problem. I just put out too much content all the time. This one, oh, this is the same one from three years ago. Yeah, maybe I, did I upload the newer fam one?
37:42 Would have been, nah. Well, anyway, that one, that one's good. I linked that in the chat there. I should get the latest fam one I did. That was fun. Oh, man. I get wild when I start teaching live. I mean, I only teach here on the farm. I really haven't gotten out very much recently. I like to just stay here. It's awesome. Stay on the farm where everything's going. So maybe that was the one you were looking for. and then I mean the other the other one that I you know it covers all the solutions and it's like in a whole bunch I mean if I go to the home here I mean it covers a whole bunch is um
38:32 like these this here this intro to natural farming or this pure KNF certification class either of these on my homepage here. Um, yeah. So, well, anyway, these two here, these two are like, uh, extensive covering, um, of, of what's going on. Um, yeah, I should probably, I should probably post the other fam class that I put up. I might've just put that up for members or something. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not the world's best content manager or content creator. I just do a weekly live. Um, yeah. Um,
39:21 um, okay. So I, um, the Steven saying here, I borrowed the jam book from my employer for several weeks, but does anyone know what the go-to book for KNF is? The go-to book for KNF, man. It's my book, man. No, I mean, there's, there's other books out there, but this one you can actually get and, um, get the pure KNF, uh, book. It's at natural farming.net or KNF support, um, or natural farming, Hawaii.net and then KNF support.com either place you can get it, But this is the go-to recipe book. And, you know, yeah, there's no other books on Amazon, I don't think.
40:16 Yeah, okay, so. yeah, yeah. You know, um, understanding why you're doing something is good. And I like understanding why you're doing something with this idea of like, you need the physical, physiological, um, know how. And that's one of my, um, one of my things is, um, is I rename the solution so they fit into this type of idea. Because otherwise, if you're just doing FPJ, FAA, WCA, it's like, how the heck do those fit into here? But if you rename them by solutions that we talk about, um, you can get those. So, so anyway, uh, I may post
41:01 my new, I just was on Maui and I just talked about, uh, the farm apprentice mentorship stuff. Um, so I may go through and link, link that in. I don't know. Uh, you know, to be honest, you know what i guess i'm doing it for the good it'd also be nice if i you know when i post videos that they'd get watches but sometimes they just end up getting you know a few watches to them i guess there's 10 000 25 000 19 000 on these i can't i can't be sad on that that's 19 000 people out of 8 billion what is that if we take eight eight billion one two three one two three one two
41:40 3 divided by 17. Let's do that the other way. Let's take 17,000 divided by 8 billion. that is 0.0000002% of the world 0.0000002% of the world has watched the videos it's pretty good we'll take that as a win and um yeah so hey thanks al good good to see you thanks for getting in there
42:27 don't be greedy what do you mean don't be good yeah no i'm not greedy i i'm talking about the pride here you know 0.00002 percent of the world has watched some of my videos hey oh okay well anyway since um you know um since we're talking wait you know it's about that time we're talking my dad we're talking you know getting into there why not why not um go into more of a dad chair because we've been doing that all this year it's the last 15 minutes of the office hour. Let's go in and talk some madadge. So I'm going to bring this one up over here
43:17 and bring this one up. Oh my gosh, I have a presentation on it. Yes, I've been leveling up on this. No, I just found this the other day when I was going over to Maui. Some several times, yeah. No, don't forget those. That's actually a better way to look at it is a lot of people have done it multiple times. Okay, let's show the view. Let it show just a single page. And let's go through this. So this is, you know, my dad's going through, you know, a revolutionary farming method based on Oriental philosophy, everything you need to go completely
43:50 organic. I don't think it's everything you need to know. But you could potentially use this to go completely organic, boost quality and yield. Yeah, maybe, maybe that's a, every time I get into his presentation. I'm like, maybe, maybe save huge, huge, huge costs. This is absolutely true. He should put this one first. And then he even made it a little bit bigger in the font. Good idea because you absolutely can save huge costs. That's what this shines the most at. And then his claim here to make all natural fertilizer, pesticide, and, uh, both those
44:26 words are reserved and you can't use those in America. Sorry, bud. Um, and microorganism inputs yourself. If you just call them solutions, I would agree with this, but, um, but this is true, right? This is my dad. And then here's his example of this. I think that's actually every time I've been to the, um, chicken farms, it's been his dad's methods. This is from his dad's stuff. I don't, I've never seen the, uh, well, you know what? I need to make the mouse bigger and I could just, I could just whinge and complain at this all day long. Um, but most of this stuff,
44:58 some of it's some of it's a damn most this this is actually from his dad's book here and this chicken's is his dad's tech so it's not actually a damn so you know their ultimate goal to bring farming back to the farmers they think for some reason it has to do with cost uh actually i think there's a lot of functions that go into farming and why people don't do it um but um ultra low cost helps, right? As long as you're not biologically testing with this method, you are good. Yeah. But I do think this is, instead of bringing farming back to farmers, I think this is bringing
45:36 life back to the earth. I think this is some of the best bioregenerative agriculture. Like, and being a farmer is just an excuse to be a bioregenerator. And using this methods for farming is probably, you know, your mileage may vary. Lots of people use it. Some people are stoked. I think ultimately it's like, how the heck are we going to heal the earth? It's my dad. It's my dad. So here's his stuff. Again, he does not talk about his dad at all. He just talks about himself. Um, Oh no, here to hear he, he mentioned this, his dad starts advocating for natural
46:10 farming. So, um, but then it's all about him. He doesn't mention how he worked with his dad, how he learned things, how they collaborated. Anyway, we were past this, right? And then this here. I highly doubt that. Um, but he does talk. Oh, there's his dad. There's his dad. And this is back in the 67 with his dad, these guys doing farming after the Korean war. What a, what a nightmare. Um, there's him sitting, uh, not on his father's lap. Uh, yeah, that's somebody else holding it, but that's him. That's him. I wonder if that's, Ju Young, I wonder. Might be.
46:56 Yeah, so anyway, there's his dad. His dad made a bunch of stuff. Who has this blue book? Anybody? This guy right here has that blue book. I got most of these books out. Well, these are Korean ones. I've never seen some of these. I do have this one in Japanese. that one's got Indian. Then there's Madag headquarters. I've been in this classroom. It's sweet. It's cool. It's a really nice facility. I mean, if one thing he did, he really made it look professional and nice and good. There's a whole bunch of people attending his thing. He's over there. Ja, ja, ja.
47:42 Oh, the hard copies are available again. I will update that right after this. office hours. I have hard copies in stock in stock. Um, I just printed some, so I will be updating that after this. Sorry. I didn't, I didn't, uh, just one thing I got to do, but thanks for reminding me they are in stock. They will be there. I will have those. So right after this, I'll put them up because I got to count how many I have. I think there's like 12 available right now. Um, yep. If you're not careful, um, and you go to ag modern school, They will turn you into a robot.
48:17 And yeah, you've lost creativity and autonomy because mostly applying the solutions the way they say. Conventional agriculture makes it so precision that you have to do exactly what they're saying. So you can't have creativity or autonomy. And you are completely dependent on corporations when you are using their supply lines. Much like I'm completely dependent on corporations for pretty much everything. I mean, who out there? Raise your hand if you're not dependent on corporations. like aren't we all for everything pretty sure unless you're like living in the bushes and then
48:48 you probably still are dependent on corporations because you got to film that to put it on youtube to then make money right you know uh so we're all dependent on all that and you know united states itself is a corporation so and so is most of the world governments um so yeah cool cool marty awesome that's great um yeah just chatting with the owner and they got very interested yeah referencing your videos and things yeah um i mean heck if they want to call me i could talk story with them it's probably the easiest way but yeah i don't know how to get
49:25 people started on this i have so much stuff maybe i need i should ask chat gpt how would you get started with my things. Um, high cost, high tech. Okay. Uh, the limit to promoting organic consumer awareness. Uh, yeah. I mean, I guess you have to lower your cost. You can, you can't just be like, you guys should eat organic because you're aware and woke. Um, okay. Farming itself has merits through the attraction. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta, to make farming attractive, you have to do, um, you know, voluntary participation, right? So ways to do that is to
50:06 monetize it, make money at it. Then people will be drawn to it, um, make it popular, make it cool, make it sexy, all these other things. Um, so Jadam has struggled with this for decades. Hasn't everybody that's in the alternative farming community. I mean the mainstream farming community that's, you know, uh, anyway, um, yeah. So he's basically going sissy, cease. We're going to go cease farming. Um, so this is like an example of the Kiwis. I'm not sure this guy was a hundred percent doing Jadam, to be honest, look at these grapes, this guy, he's doing partially Jadam,
50:43 but the big secret of his is the biochar went to this farm, saw this happening in action, squatted down under this one grapevine that has this many um grapes and was like wow this is cool but he's doing a lot of biochar and um a few other things so it's not just purely jadam um look at those apples i don't do we go to an apple orchard not sure uh i've seen other apple orchards doing knf but it's also this ground cover that he's bringing together um doing that what is that uh persimmons looks like a persimmon to me um you know not sure how much this guy we
51:22 did go to this this is the pear guy and um he's doing some jadam this guy this strawberry guy he's doing knf so uh just because this is here he's doing uh master chose knf i'm i'm i'm fairly certain that this is young bears operation and he's doing um master chose stuff not his so So there's a lot of crossover and ripoff here. But this here, he's basically simplified down what his dad says, which is like, you know, I think he's getting rid of repeated monoculture disorder with microorganisms. So fertility and then solution application.
52:08 So ask nature about this. I think he's just saying like, you know, nature does not suffer from repeated soil degradation from monoculture. Although most of nature has an extreme diversity. But I guess what he's getting at is there's no plant rotation. There's just more permaculture stuff out there. So, but you got to give back what's been removed from the soil because in nature all the leaves are going to fall. Crop residues are an essential source of nutrients because that's what's basically happening. So he's just saying, rot it in a bucket, do that. What, we got Johnny in the house.
52:46 Am I not seeing all the chat? Maybe I'm not seeing it. Maybe I got to put it to live chat. Because I don't see anybody named Johnny in here. No. Yeah, no. I don't know who you're talking to, Bruce. Okay, so turn wild grass or fruit fertilizer and apply into fertilizer and apply. But, you know, basically, yeah, he's just saying, you know, simulate a polyculture by putting the nutrients from wild grasses and fruits. It's fertilizer, right? Grow cover crops, turn them into organic fertilizer, right? Polyculture is doing those things. And he says crop rotation is an erroneous method.
53:29 If you farm well, you should be able to grow on and on with monoculture. And I agree with this. This is like, you know, you can use a polyculture, but you're probably better off to do a monoculture in terms of return as long as you're doing these things here, you know. So putting the microbes back in the soil and putting crop residues back on your plant and you can avoid, you know, what they call monoculture sickness. So let us see here. so ask nature about microorganisms you know so using indigenous microbes collected from the
54:08 local environment so you're using what's just right there you're just amplifying and growing them up building them up putting them out there microorganisms is the input that should not be commercialized because the microorganisms are effective for agriculture the reason region can only come from that region take it from nature take it take it from nature how about just amplify what's happening in nature. I'm just going to add a small translation to that. Even with the insect pressure for certain crops, so even with insect pressure from certain crops,
54:41 if you are following these methods and you are putting the microbes, plus you're putting down plant juices, and even better beyond the JADAM, you do the natural farming, you won't have insect pressure. Insects are largely there to be janitors, right? So the Insects are there to janitize something. So if the plants are sick, if they're unhealthy for some reason, if they're dying, that's when insects come. Insects do not attack healthy living pests.
55:09 And if you want to learn more about that, you know, going over to pureknf.org and becoming a member and listening to the folks we've been interviewing lately, the monthly meetings. I've got to log in here. I should make my password longer if I'm spreading that just out there. But if you go check out the monthly meetings and you listen to both Royal Flush Farms here, you listen to Yarrow, they are talking about how pests do not eat the plants. Sure, bugs are still there, but they're not pests. They're not attacking their plants. They're still bugs.
55:55 They're still life. There's still diversity, but they're not attacking their plans. And so these guys, you know, Royal Flush Farms, Yarrow, even Steven, all these guys that we've interviewed here, they'll tell you in depth about how they've applied these methods and how those things haven't been there. So if you're not a member of Pure Cana, be one. And if you are, go to your monthly meetings here and watch the past meetings because we talked all about this. This is what they go over all the time. So this is what they're doing.
56:24 so yeah so you can avoid monocrop sickness with pests even by using these things because pests are they're only they're bugs bugs are not natural normal but pests are what's destroying your plants and pests don't occur when you have healthy nutritious plants with the right bricks level and everything because you're at you're you're doing these methods so that thinking of pests are going to kill me is, is not, um, if you have healthy plants, they won't the pests are the janitors. Um, yeah, great, great. Yeah. Check those things out. It's so inspiring. Yeah. I mean,
57:03 just every man, that's been one of the best series that we've been doing. I've been just enjoying the heck out of myself doing, doing that for the foundation. And, um, I put it behind the foundation cause I want more people to join the foundation. Cause I actually want to have this thing be self-sufficient and take off and do goodness in a way where it will bring good to everyone. We got Mark coming in the house from Oregon. What's up? How you been? All over the West Coast. Keep that natural farming going. I hope you put a sprayer in your car while you're
57:32 driving. That'd be just so cool to soak down the I-5. Okay, what would I recommend for slugs? I have gazillions of them eating my vegetables. Slugs are from too much bacteria. So if you're using JADAM methods and you're spreading a bunch of bacteria, you will get slugs. I would recommend going through Master Cho's methods, getting IMO all the way up to Foundation IMO. So that would be his IMO4 if you're listening to his vocabulary. That will bring in the fungus, and then the fungus will get the bacteria under control, and then you won't have as many slugs. Short-term solutions,
58:11 you could go with Young Song's slug method, which we covered in a few episodes back. And unfortunately, we don't have anyone to do the table of contents anymore. But his basic slug recipe, I'll just throw it in here right now, was soap plus sodium hydroxide. So he added into 500 liters of water, he added three liters of soap and 1.5 kilos of sodium hydroxide. Be super careful when you're working with sodium hydroxide. I do not recommend you do this. Don't do this at home. But that's his recipe. And he puts it out there and that F slugs up because it just, oh man, sodium hydroxide
58:54 is caustic soda. It burns the hell out of things. So that's what he does. Yeah, and I just don't recommend doing it. has anyone used seaweed as greens and a large Johnson Sioux bioreactor? You should talk to Richard Noonan. He's down in Australia and he would probably, he's all about that Johnson Sioux. He's done a bunch of stuff. He's a super nerdy dude. Spent a few days with him. He's a super cool dude. Love him to the max. I just wish the circumstances I was under while I was with him were better. I kind of freaked out and I was just like, and I felt like I was being attacked and
59:32 siphoned and vampired but he's cool i love richard amazing dude check him out he's on facebook richard noonan it's exactly how you think it would be spelled um and get get with him tell him i sent you like drake said you could help me with this because he's a nerd and he's all about that okay so anyway last little bits here ask nature about microorganisms so yeah using the indigenous microbes right and you know it should not be commercialized so if you're buying commercialized microbes, you're probably doing it wrong because the ones right in your area are better. And it's
1:00:06 just like those things that say like the probiotics where it says like this much colony forming units, but then by the time it gets shipped to you, there's not nearly that many. Same thing, degradation microbes don't store well. They're always wanting to live, grow. Natural farming has some great preservation methods, but most things when you send and move things, it's just too expensive. So you're better off just to do it in your area. So, um, so anyway, I, you know, with this, uh, with this presentation here, uh, let's just keep going over this. We'll finish up this.
1:00:40 This is 292 slides. So we'll see, or 200, 282 slides. So we'll go through his, uh, his presentation here. See, cause I think this will bring us complete madadge, um, as we've been doing it. And that way it'll give me some content to talk about and just always have something to go through. And I think hopefully you guys appreciate it in my commentary on the medag and all this. So this last slide we'll go about is number, we'll just finish at 25. We'll just call it a day. But preview for next time, we're going to go about optimum fertility. So we'll go through this presentation. That'll be fun.
1:01:18 I think that will get pretty complete medag. Plus, if you're Akamai, you could go and download all this and you would actually have a whole book on my dad without doing it. So, what's up, Photophilic? You should check in with Stonemason. He's also in Illinois. Or no, he's in Indiana. Man, I always forget. Okay. Sorry, because they're eye states and they're next to each other. Maybe they're in Indiana. No. Okay, anyway. Dealing with earwigs, eating my flowers, and swimming in my kid's pool. Okay. Oh, is someone else going to Hilo? Yeah, Mark. Way to go, bud. That was fun. Good times.
1:02:02 Good memories. Good things. Love you, man. I wish you would come back and visit. That'd be so cool. Anyway, that's enough Madadge for today. We'll get back into it next week. Continue to go. Ideas for earwigs. You could kill them directly if you wanted to. but if they're breeding around, you probably need more health in there. I mean, I always start with health. So, and then, yeah, here's, here's stonemason's recipe here. Yeah, that's a good one. I would just follow what stonemason said and also exercise extreme caution. Yeah. So
1:02:43 who is bruce who is bruce i don't know no problem bruce who is bruce why am i not seeing it why am i being censored from seeing things who is bruce what is bruce saying okay anyway i don't know i don't see a bruce maybe um maybe they're just out there doing their thing um okay well anyway that's it for today office hours next week uh gonna be doing same thing what is that uh june 30th oh my gosh and oh happy solstice to everybody you know that just happened happy full moon i mean now we're starting to go uh but the next couple days if you haven't made your um
1:03:30 can of food yet great time to do it as in the early morning when the moon's still in the air and it's setting next three four days perfect time to do it highly recommend you get out do it make sure you get everything for your spring season it's always fun to go over these presentations look forward to seeing you next week as always long live the natural farmer have a great week i'll see you keep doing good things be receptive learn do good listen be receptive make things happen in a receptive way cool i'll see you bye