Squirrel Deterrent, Jadam Winter Pest Spray, Soil Foundation Recipe
Drake opens with the I Ching hexagram for increase, then shows a custom GPT he built from Master Cho's Korean Natural Farming books. He asks it about KNF basics, Cho's best qualities, and what inputs to use locally, and points out where it goes off the rails and hallucinates.
Gerard asks about getting kids into KNF. Drake shares old classroom photos: kids looking at soil life under a microscope, taking soil samples, and making iPad videos about garden ferments. He also fields a question on pepper spray for squirrels — boil peppers in water down to half volume, add soap, and spray.
Drake finishes the Jadam book with two recipes. Recipe 13, winter pest control for fruit trees, mixes 10 liters soap, 5 liters sulfur, and 2 kilograms fine red clay powder into 500 liters of water (tangerines get under 2 liters sulfur). Recipe 14, soil foundation, combines Jadam Microbe Solution, sea salt, phylite solution, and grass/crop residue liquid fertilizer, watered in heavy before rain.
He explains phylite as a fine-grained metamorphic rock, and lays out dilution rates: microbe solution around 20 to 1, liquid fertilizer around 100 to 1, applied weekly. He previews next month's episodes covering large-batch sulfur and soap making.
Questions answered
- 8:24 What is the Natural Farming Hawaii GPT Drake built? — A public GPT trained on Master Cho's KNF books that searches his literature to answer questions.
- 22:47 Any ideas for outreach to educate kids in KNF? — Start kids with soil microscopy and simple ferments; Drake's classroom program used soil samples, a microscope, and iPad videos.
- 32:52 Any microscope recommendations? — Check KNF Support for Elaine Ingham's picks; Drake uses an AmScope trinocular but calls a microscope more a teaching tool than essential.
- 38:00 Is there a pepper spice to deter squirrels? — Boil peppers in water down to half volume for a strong pepper spray, mix with soap, and spray around the area.
- 41:05 What is the Jadam recipe for fruit tree winter pest control? — Mix 10 liters soap, 5 liters sulfur, and 2 kilograms fine red clay powder into 500 liters of water; tangerine trees get under 2 liters sulfur.
- 41:52 How do you make fine red clay powder for the pest spray? — Dissolve red clay in water, filter through felt, let it settle an hour, discard the top water, and dry the fine sediment in the shade.
- 43:24 Is there an Italian translation of Cho's recipe book? — Yes, Elena Parmigiani produced a full Italian translation of the Jadam recipe book.
- 47:24 What's the Jadam soil foundation recipe for nematodes and wilt? — Combine Jadam Microbe Solution, sea salt, phylite solution, and grass or crop residue liquid fertilizer, watered in heavy before rain.
- 53:03 What is phylite? — A fine-grained metamorphic rock made of quartz, mica, and chlorite; Drake soaks it in water and uses the mineral-rich water on soil.
- 56:48 How diluted should the microbe solution and liquid fertilizer be? — Dilute the microbe solution about 20 to 1 and the liquid fertilizer about 100 to 1 before applying weekly.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Intro & I Ching: Hexagram 42, Increase
- 8:24 Cho GPT: testing Master Cho's literature
- 22:47 Educating kids in KNF
- 32:52 Microscope recommendations
- 38:00 Squirrel deterrent pepper spray
- 40:14 Jadam Recipe 13: winter pest control
- 43:24 Italian translation of Cho's book
- 47:24 Jadam Recipe 14: soil foundation
- 53:03 What is phylite?
- 56:48 Dilution rates for microbes and food
- 58:56 Preview: sulfur and soap batches
- 1:03:25 Closing thoughts
Transcript
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1:30 all right hey welcome to office hours korean natural farming with uh me drake and master Joe up here for June 2nd, 2024. It's already June. Quite a, quite a thing. So office hours, one hour year, ask me anything, Korean natural farming. And we'll go through any questions, support the community, grow the community in chat.
2:15 Someone already hitting those love buttons. I could see when I was previewing this thing. And then if we have time, we'll go through, um, this ultra cheap way of doing Korean natural farming known as my dadge natural farming. Um, and this year for 2024, that's what we're covering. I think we're almost done with it though. Hopefully, sup solar gourmet. Hopefully we'll move on from this because I've been just like ragging on young song cho for like, I don't know how many months now just being like, yeah, you should really
2:47 do master chose natural farming instead of the jadaim but start with the jadaim it's great it's really accessible so many things so many benefits for it and understanding how it all fits in you know all this huge big korean natural farming umbrella and how it all fits sub goof yo man got the good people filling in so um but let's start uh as as pretty much always because i I remember one time I got pretty far into the episode, forgot this, but, um, as pretty much always, we'll start with a little bit of higher wisdom because, you know, so today 42 is an
3:26 increase. So it says powerful improvements are underway. Um, the coming of the hexagram, I E I don't know how you pronounce it in Chinese. Maybe someone can let me know signifies a period of increase when the power of heaven descends to surround and invigorate our lives. Like all phases, this too will come to an end. But if we make hay while the sun shines, tremendous progress can be made at this time. It is in the nature of human beings to relax and become careless when things begin to go well.
4:10 The I Ching teaches us we should not do this if we desire the fullest blessings of this beneficial hour. Indeed, our rewards are multiplied if we increase our conscientiousness in auspicious times rather than decrease it. There are two ways in which the I Ching especially encourages us to do this. Our first task is to make sacrifices for others. In all of your interactions now, embody generosity in thought and action. Forgive what is inferior in others and seek out the good.
5:00 By giving, encouraging, and assisting, you will draw the superior person and everyone into devoted action. Your second task in this time of increase is to go on strengthening yourself. As thunder and wind strengthen each other, this means that if you see something good in another, you imitate it. When you discover something inferior in yourself, you eliminate it. These simple practices, if continued conscientiously over time, will improve your character and fortunes immeasurably.
5:47 Through service and self-improvement, you assure yourself of great progress in the days ahead. yep so for sure you know when i see when i see things work i imitate them i want people to do the right thing i just start demonstrating the right thing and when i see things i don't like and irritate me about someone else i think am i exhibiting those qualities am i am i just not liking something in that person that i just don't want to look at it myself you know the great the great questions to get you motivated, going on the right path, you know, imitating Master Cho,
6:29 doing the right things, you know, slapping students and being like, you know, actually, no, imitating him to build a world-class learning center, all those things. Hey, so we got some good folks in the house. We got Gerard, bro. I haven't seen you for some time. What's up, AK? um he got a pile of imo that's cool uh it's g from across this oh okay yeah i guess he's calling himself g now what's up gerard oh man good to see you um we got big let big big west lawns care up in canada so we got two northern northern guys coming in and then we got you know rainbow
7:11 possum farm with the 50th state now 49th state i don't know when was alaska incorporated into the thing. But, uh, we got the whole Northern thing coming in and New York, man, everything, everyone's from the great North so far. I know we got some Southern folks coming in soon, but, uh, yeah, good to see you. What's up Hoosier. Um, Hoosier, I think that is not like you're in Oklahoma or something or not. No, uh, Ohio, I don't know. Cleveland rocks. Okay. Well, anyways, good to see all you folks getting in here, doing good stuff. Uh, you know, Master
7:45 Cho smiling back here, making good things. Um, I did have one thing to kind of share with you before we get into this stuff and it was this, so let me get this fired up over here. So, um, you know, it's the age of AI, AI, AI, which is Hawaiian for food. I, I, um, but, uh, yeah, so I, um, I was playing around with, uh, the chat, the good old chat there. And, um, I was able to, create a GPT. I was looking at these things and it was telling me about GPT. So I created a GPT based on Cho's literature. So these are books that I own and was able to upload here into this. And
8:31 now you can search for Cho literature. I believe they're offering this. I put it as a public GPT. So I think anyone can access it now. And it's by Natural Farming Hawaii. That's me. The builder of this GPT cannot view your conversations. Yeah, but chat GPT can. So can the CIA and the NSA. So watch out. But it's an expert on Korean natural farming. So let's see. What does it do? Let's ask it a question. So let's ask it, what is Korean natural farming? So basically what it does is it searches the knowledge. So it's searching Cho's literature. It's searching his books.
9:14 Let me make this a bit bigger for you. But it's searching through and it is telling us all about what it knows. Looks like it's GPT-4 doing its magic here. But it's reading through these books and it is finding out information. So it says, you know, Korean natural farming is an agricultural method that emphasizes the use of locally available natural resources to create sustainable and self-sufficient farming. I'd rather call it holistic and sustainable is such a bad word.
9:52 The core principles of KNF include utilization of indigenous microorganisms, fermented plant juice, and other inputs to enhance soil fertility and plant health. so it really doesn't talk about well i guess it you know it basically emphasizes imo and fpj you know these two acronyms because i did train it on master cho's book so these are his acronyms i shy away from the acronyms because they're kind of confusing on how to use it but um um but then it goes into the nutritional cycle so it's interesting it emphasizes the imo i mean
10:31 he must mention it a lot in the book and the plant juice he must mention that was a bunch in the book and then goes into nutritional cycle which probably this is the most important like soil foundation and nutritional cycle are probably the most important but then it also goes to the solution so knf always tends to be so solution oriented which is good but it's always like the solutions the solutions and it's like how do you use the things how do you make it fit into your system. So I guess if you're just reading Cho literature, that's what you get. But I like this,
11:04 the idea of, you know, KNF promotes the idea of working with nature rather than against it, creating a harmonious and sustainable, again, that word, farming system that reduces dependency on chemical fertilizers and pesticides, or enhances them, depending on how you use them. This method not only improves the health and soil of crops, but also enhances the quality and produce and overall environment. Yeah. And I think that's the, this, this probably enhances the quality of the produce and the overall environment. This is probably the most important thing because who,
11:39 who doesn't want higher quality or a healthy environment? And if you're farming with other methods that are jeopardizing your, your overall quality of your produce, like you're, um, you know, it's not as nutritionally dense or, you know, it's less quality. What are you doing? maybe you're trying to grow more quantity over quality. I don't know, but that doesn't, doesn't ever, how the heck are you ever going to, um, benefit your customer and then quality in the environment and overall environment. If you're degrading the overall environment by
12:10 farming, then what are you doing? Like, why, why? Like, you know, like you're killing future generations to eat today. It's like, okay, you may want to question like, what are you doing? why why why would you even do it right if you're degrading the overall environment it's like you know i mean that was the whole push towards organic and those things but like really like if you're degrading the overall environment you might want to stop and look at yourself and be like what and why you know and you better have a real good reason for that um so yeah so
12:48 can it can it will it also tell in your exact area what can be used uh angie you know if you ask uh let's ask it what in my exact area can be used let's just ask it um because it's just like what's at your feet what's at your feet should be used you know um and it's going to tell you collect IMO by burying it in the soil where there's leaf litter. You can make it from, yeah, you can make these from fast growing plants like bamboo, mugwort, other local weeds, local weeds. There you go. That's so it'll tell you again, local weeds. It's not going to tell
13:31 you exactly what your local weeds are, but you know what they are. Um, you can use fish amino acid from local fish markets and, or, you know, if you don't have this, you can go to the slaughter house and make cow amino acid or go catch a deer and make deer amino acid or catch rats and make rat amino acid um lactic acid bacteria pretty much everyone has dairy cows around our lab is the most common um thing out there but milk's pretty ubiquitous so you can make it from milk um herbs you know you know low uh these ones you know uh this is just saying garlic ginger and
14:12 cinnamon um that those are pretty ubiquitous um but yeah and then green grass liquid fertilizer heck yeah it it it threw in a little madadge into this from before madadge broke off from cho and threw in green grass liquid fertilizer this is available to everybody anywhere right you just you just take whatever your weeds ferment them create a liquid fertilizer you know additional nutrients. So the, the, the chat is even pulling in these other recipes and being like, yes, these are the ones, right? Like green grass, liquid fertilizer, GGLF. So it's more than
14:52 an answer that I would even give. Someone asked me, what can I use in my area? I wouldn't necessarily think to go GGLF right away, but this is like one of the best answers. Go GGLF. So win for the GPT here, I would say, I don't know. Uh, your, your mileage may vary, but you can find it. It's like Cho literature. I have no idea how to search and find the GPT. Um, I guess I could copy the link and put it in the chat. Let's do that. There you go. So you guys can get into that, uh, that thing there if you're in the chat and, uh, ask it questions, find out,
15:26 you know, I'm, I'm, I'm slowly or maybe relatively quickly trying to make myself irrelevant. Like if If I don't have to be out teaching natural farming, then I can do other things like build our KNF foundation and get more people encouraged to join the Peer KNF Foundation, PeerKNF.org. And, you know, have them, they, you know, help me, help you, help us, help everything, you know, and do more of this kind of stuff. you know love the office hours love being here but like answering the questions you know we can
16:02 go and make more data more more new data for the ai to grok and suck into its system so it can regurgitate back to us with a list chat gpt loves lists i don't know if you noticed but everything's a list um and give us answers you know um so anyway pureknf.org be part of it help sponsor do do the things you know just i guess i gotta drop that periodically throughout the thing um yeah what's up mark got you in the house you know coming in from uh huntington beach man you move around a lot man that's cool doing the whole west coast inoculating the i-5 corridor yeah bud um
16:45 we finally got some killer sun up here in the north watch out it's killer sun I hope you just mean like good the clouds are not getting between you and the earth or the earth and the sun and we're coming out of our log cabins that killer sun actually if it's killer sun you better stay in your log cabin but that's awesome man so yeah so we can ask ChatGPT some things you know find out what it says let's see what are the best attributes of Master Cho. Let's see. Let's just, let's have it have a Master Cho love fest here. What's it going to say? Oh yeah. Okay. So why is Master Cho the best? He has
17:37 gleaned, oh, it's gleaned from the provided text include the following practical and observational approach. Master Cho emphasized an importance of observation and action based on real life farming rather than just theoretical knowledge. His guideline, do not act without observing and do not say without acting. Oh, there you go. So you can't tell people how to do it until you've done it yourself. He's almost like Gandhi. Reflects his practical mindset. He has a commitment to sustainable farming. Man, that word again, sustainable. I mean, we gotta tell the GPT, don't use the word sustainable.
18:16 Regenerative. Okay. He decided or he dedicated his life to developing and promoting natural farming methods that harmonize. Again, harmonize. Swap that out with balance. I got to get into the GPT and edit it. His approach avoids harmful chemicals and emphasizes the use of natural inputs like IMO and FPJ. Man, this GPT loves these two solutions. Every time you ask it about things, it's like IMO, FPJ. It's like, man, those acronyms are way overdone. I guess they are kind of the basis though, right? You got your soil and plant biome with your IMOs,
18:54 and then you got your plant and soil nutrition exudates those things with your plant juices. So those are really are the two most crucial things out of this. And that's why I always teach people plant juice first, you know, a can of food, you got to eat before you can do anything else, right? And unless you're going to go swimming, which then maybe you should wait to eat. So third thing, he's innovative and adaptive thinking. Master Cho constantly adapted and innovated farming techniques to suit local conditions. So Angie, just read the book. You'll find out. It'll answer your questions.
19:31 What can you use locally? What's at your feet? He was open to learning from various sources, including Japanese farming methods and tailored these practices to fit the Korean environment or the global environment. You could just, you know, global environment here. Educational and mentorship role. He played a significant role in educating and mentoring farmers. He formed various clubs and cooperatives to improve farming practices and the quality of life in his community, which is what I'm trying to do too. I'm his devoted disciple. Showing his leadership and dedication to collective growth.
20:12 That's you. That's you. Collectively grow. Go do it. You're part of this community. You're a ring around Master Cho. You. You. Don't forget that. Very important. Philosophical and holistic. Oh, finally, holistic. Good. They use the word holistic perspective. Master Cho combined his deep understanding of nature with philosophical teachings from Confucianism, Buddhism, and Christianity. So he's multi-polar. this holistic perspective allowed him to approach farming with a deep respect for life and the environment sweet resilience and determination six man chat gpt loves these lists okay we're
20:58 on number six despite facing numerous challenges including the korean war and educational disappointments he persisted in his self-education and practical farming endeavors his resilience And it's led him into establishing refined natural farming over several decades. That's right. And here we are. Continuation. Direct lineage of what he's doing. It's up to us to bring this to the world. As we increase. Make hay while the sun shines. Make plant juice while the spring's happening. Right? Spring. Make plant juice. Don't wait.
21:35 These attributes reflect Master Cho's profound impact on sustainable agriculture. and his legacy in promoting natural and environmentally friendly farming practices yeah and that's what they actually call knf in korea is because you wouldn't call it korean natural farming korea you just say like environmentally friendly farming practices that's actually what they call it um so and then also one other thing with this gpt is i wanted to show you is like how do i build an airplane and it should tell me it doesn't know how
22:09 oh no it did it told me darn it oh man i was trying to tell this gpt not to answer questions outside of these things no ah it does it anyway darn how uh is this in the literature Yeah. So then why are you telling me about it? Yeah, see, I have to scold the GPT. And then when the AI takes over, it's going to kill me for this statement right here. yeah see thank you for pointing that out i have to scold the gpt i told you not to tell me answers
23:01 outside this literature but um anyway yeah i told you chat gpt i'm like please don't answer outside of the books and it was like okay and then it then then it like faked me out then it started hallucinating. It did a bunch of mushrooms and LSD. And then it started hallucinating and telling me how to build airplanes. And I'm like, bro, just stick to the books. Just stick to the books. Yeah. Okay. So, um, so do I have any, okay. So, uh, Gerard was sub Gerard is asking, do you have any ideas for outreach to kids and educating them? Seems like getting to the next
23:46 generation early would help them make a big change. Yeah. So, so oftentimes I'll be asked this question and I'm glad you asked because educating kids, if I look into, I'll just swap this over to this. So this is, this is the hard drive that has all the stuff. And you'll notice on here from the years 2014 to 2012. No, 2012 doesn't have anything, but 2013. There's always this folder called Kalani Anaole. And if I look through here and I look at these pictures, what will I see? Kids. In fact, this is when we first got the iPads. Maybe that's why there's not
24:28 photos prior to 2013 because 2013 we got these iPads. This is us at the Apple store with these kids. These are some of my students. And this is us going to the Apple store. And then we got a case for it. And then kids are terrible at taking pictures. So number one is they'll take, you know, serious selfies like this, but watch out letting the kids just randomly take pictures of the iPad. They will take terrible ones. But what did I do with the kids? As soon as we got back to our classroom, which you can tell this is the retired woodshop, is we also got a microscope and a
25:01 computer and we started to go out with the kids and take soil samples. So kids, did you know the earth is alive? Yes, because we got a camera here. We hooked it into a microscope here and then we started displaying this on the computer so the kids could look at that and find out the earth is alive. There's living stuff everywhere. So that's number one thing I started to do to bring kids into outreach and education was like, hey kids, let's look in the soil. Let's see how much life there is. And right there is a nice piece of fungus. That's, I don't know,
25:38 some aggregate. I'm not sure what level. And then I taught the kids, okay, here's, you know, us growing some plants. Look at them collecting pigeon peas. Wow. Look at that. Propagating seeds. look at that spraying natural farming solutions on a sweet potato patch hey kids this is cool yeah and kids love doing this stuff look at that cruising around look at our gardens we we had some raised beds this one was like a fell apart raised bed and this was early this was 2013 in the program we'd only been farming here i think i started this job 2012 um and we had look at these
26:15 nice bananas look and basically what we do is we put these tarps down i don't know if you can see this tarp over here and kill the grass off and then start farming into that area but look at this look at our garden oh that's a little wide i'll bring it in for you lemongrasses taros tea leaves pigeon peas pineapples basils and then so oh shoot i can't pause it that way so basically we just kind of went around the garden and then we started tilling to you know opening this area up to plant sweet potatoes into it and we just kill off the
26:53 area with tarps and then plant and just continue to go and plant and have the little kids collect the seeds and this was you know little kid this was a kindergartner working with these i think they were in fourth grade fifth grade something like that and then oh there's some soldering that's not my kids taking pictures of them and then had them teach them about the solutions and then they had them film and make educational courses they weren't very good at it but that's okay they tried what have them give oh you know what i need to put this back to this and there you go now you can hear the the
27:42 this is our garden we have had our garden for so many years at klaniana old school we take good care of our garden but if you want to bring kids into the modern age you have to get basically get them a um you know let them tell you about the uh you know give them an ipad you want to bring them into the modern world they like ipads and stuff well it's like hey make a movie about the garden you know and then all of a sudden these kids are out here doing this ready me coaching them on how to make a video
28:36 so they're using a little dropper to dilute it properly put it into the watering can Look at that, it's over super saturated that one though. She puts it inside. You know. And then have the kids water the solutions out, right?
29:23 action right now here's watering cut cut cut yeah so yep so do I say the same thing Okay. So I restart. Okay, tell me once. So, yeah, you know, I look back and it's like, how do you bring this to kids? Man, it's fun. You can't stop the kids once you get them going.
30:09 What are you doing? Just making a plant juice or something? I'm stuffing the sweet potato leaves inside the jar. yeah so you know but that how do you do with kids that's how you know um what what kind of stuff do what else did we do here i don't know look at this i mean once you start you get the kids to do the watering look at the natural farming look at you know just just me this scrub dude i mean i don't know how many years ago this was 2016 it's a lot younger back then tell you but you know get the kids out there they they'll they'll you know they know what to do man how do you bring
30:52 it to them to you know just teach them plant juice start start there start with a can of food get them going uh you know and then you you look at it here another another 2014 clonon only is there anything in that folder no i mean that one's empty uh clonon only see how the garden developed here you know yeah get get some uh get some volunteers to help you out once in a while some good folks to come down you know that dude i don't know what else we got here pictures are too big take too long to load off the nass um yeah you know kids kids out
31:36 what is that they're they got brown sugar here they're making they're fermenting they're making things together like look how much sugar this kid has all over the front of his shirt and all over his hands and stuff they love this stuff man you can't stop them look at that they're just covered in this stuff they're making a tarot ferment you know look how happy that kid is you know so anyway you know when you ask do I have microscope recommendations that's a good question for KNF support you know don't forget that the Peer KNF Foundation also offers knfsupport.com and
32:17 you know KNF support questions answers and searching over here searching for microscope you know and here you go Cronus microscope that's a good one what microscope to buy you know microscopic levels of things like you can just like look you know what microscope to buy Elaine Ingham has recommendations which I can't click on this link because it'll demonetize me but you can in KNF support you know just search search for microscope and see don't forget we have many resources for you pure KNF foundation join become a member help us keep this stuff going right
32:58 pureknf.org anyway um i just you know have to pitch my own stuff on that but um yeah so buying um you know what did i have i had a uh amscope uh trinocular so i could put the camera on the top and still look through in binocular but you can just get a binocular and put it through um they also have you know as long as it has you just listen to that elaine ingham video from that answer there on what microscope um and you will find um there's so many resources we could ask chat gpt too we could ask chat here we'll see if chat is still there i don't know
33:38 any watch no any questions asked me i'm just going to be like what microscope to buy more kids to look at microbes chat we're just we're all going to turn into mushy chat brains is it is he going to know searching my knowledge it better tell me i don't know oh no it did it told me it could know how did it know is that in the literature oh my gosh yeah okay there you go amscope kids beginner there you go i don't know how it got this out of that stuff oh the omano that's that's the one actually we used um in the classroom um i ended up buying like a half dozen of them for the kids
34:23 um yeah yeah matt powers too he has info on that but you know chat i don't know how it was able to find that in the literature because it sure wasn't in there but man chat likes to hallucinate what's chat doing mushrooms um okay so cool yeah um yeah okay yeah yeah so educating kid the next generation yeah that's uh you know it's it's pretty simple the kids kids love you know natural farming 100 compatible just got to get out there and do it and have, uh, you know, tool safety and, uh, those types of things with the kids.
35:09 Um, yeah. Um, yeah, you can microscope, you can dye things, you can do all kinds of things. There's microscope. The thing about the microscope is, you know, it's good to know, uh, but you know, I, I only find so much utility in it. I have one here and I haven't used it. I only i use it when i have classes and people come and we're like we look at it but i'm not like scoping things i just look at what weeds are growing and i know what's happening with the biology and then i look at the soil tilt and i'm like okay and the microscope will show you what's
35:41 happening but um you know i'm not really scoping that many things these days it's it's fun it's more of a novelty than a than the tool that i find essential but for education looking at it um having the kids start to see those differences for you as someone that's learning if you've never looked out of the microscope, it's valuable, but, um, but you know, it's overall utility here on my farm is, uh, it's not, it's not that important to me at this point in my life. Um, so, you know, maybe I'll sell you a used microscope. Actually, I still need it for my classes because it's a good
36:17 part to like look through and to say, okay, let's look at this, this weed cover and these biologies there and that ground cover and what biology is there. And you can start to associate what you see above ground with what you can expect below ground and all those things. Yeah, overhead projectors. I just use a computer. You know, this OBS studio, man, it's where it's at. I can just swap between things and overhead, you get a computer screen versus a overhead. But overhead, you know, you can write on it, but I guess I could write here if I really
36:50 wanted to. So with that, if we got any other questions, I can jump into those quick here. or not quick but like you know appropriately and otherwise we can go on to some madadge and uh get into that because i think i think we're gonna finish up let me why am i still on this screen let me go to that one i was gonna go to finishing up a little madadge here madadge getting through it i think last time i probably should have told you guys to remind me which one we're on, but I think, did we finally make it through this? Oh yeah, we definitely went through
37:27 recipe number 12. We definitely went through that. We're now at all purpose pesticide. I think we're at winter pest control and then soil foundation. So these two, they're worth covering because they're slightly different. Although every recipe he gets into is basically the same. Okay. So is there a, so maybe we'll go before we jump right into this, we'll go with this. Is there a pepper spice to deter squirrels when neighbor guy feeds them, encouraging them to, what does that say be around be around well uh a pellet gun um no no um squirrels man uh
38:22 yeah you can deter them with pepper spice um i i would make an herbal solution so in fact that's the herbal solution that's mentioned in here you know if you if you basically take yeah dogs work well too. But if you take, um, you know, uh, peppers and boil them down, you know, peppers and water and boil them down to about half of what it was, you're going to get an extremely potent pepper spice. And then, uh, putting that with soap and spraying it around, it would be probably be a pretty good pest deterrent. Um, I've heard that they also, you know, they don't like,
38:57 uh, if you, if you get their fur and then put their fur everywhere, they don't like it. Or you could, you know, maybe some sort of pheromone, like urine of coyotes or something you could put around that might, might scare them away. I don't know exactly what, uh, you know, I don't, I'm not sure a pepper spray is going to keep squirrels away. I don't have squirrels here. Um, you know, there's no squirrels in Hawaii. So, but I do have rats and mongoose and all those things. And basically a 22 is where it's at pellet gun you know um
39:31 um so let's uh let's get into some adage here let's go for recipe 13 i'll put it up on the screen here so you can see yeah quick take a screenshot of that one and um i thought i said i was going to get this other camera to work and then I didn't I really should get like an overhead camera for the book if I'm gonna do a book review again should make my up my game man but more of you should join the pure knf foundation so I can afford to do that from the foundation or super chat you know whatever um it's um you know if the show is gonna get better we need more funds
40:11 we researched and we found out we need more funding oh um playing mark oh mark rober that's fine mark rober yeah fine you know maybe maybe mark rober will tune into the office hours and uh you know learn something um okay so um so episode or Recipe number 13 is for fruit trees, winter pest control. So he uses soap, 10 liters, sulfur, five liters, and red find says find red clay powder, two kilograms. So and then he mixes that in always into 500 liters of water.
40:59 And he says for tangerine, reduce the sulfur to below two liters. Apply once after leaves fall, one to two times between late February and budding in spring. Add the herbs and increase the soap to get a stronger pesticide. Spray taking into consider the pest life cycle. Spray after leaves fall. if the trees do not shed leaves reduce the sulfur to below two liters and increase the soap to 15 liters how to make fine red clay powder so if you ever wondered how to make fine red clay powder
41:45 this is how and he's mentioned this in a few of his things he says dissolve red clay and water filter with felt let the filtered water sit for one hour fine particles will settle at the bottom discard the upper water dry the particles in the shade you will get a fine red clay powder slice the lump in about two kilogram size and dissolve in water for use in winter pest control when spraying keep stirring or running air pump so the clay particles do not sink so um so there you go you uh you kind of filter out the larger particles and then let the small
42:32 stuff dissolve at the bottom you know i don't know if you can see the picture but there it is i can't even see it i don't know it's blurry probably but there you go there's a picture of making the clay. Ciao. I think ciao is bi, isn't it? I don't know. What's up in Italy? We got Melrosa in the house. Oh, by the way, I did the other day find, if you're an Italian, somebody from Italy was talking to me about this, and I did find this. Let me just put this up for a sec. is it gonna go? where'd it go? where'd it go?
43:17 I got too many preview tabs open is the problem which one did it go into when you have so many tabs open that it keeps no, come on where did it go? I gotta close some of these other tabs oh my gosh i have a special treat for the italians in the house okay we don't need all that we don't need that we don't know we do need that one we'll minimize that one close that one oh man i'll keep that one open okay let's try it again is it gonna pop up someplace. Come on, come on. Where'd it go? Oh, here it is. I found it. Okay. Here we go.
44:07 So here for our Italians in the house, check this out. We have agricultura natural koreana recitario ed instructions only per luso. And I'm sure my pronunciation is perfect. but we have the amazing Elena Parmigiani making an Italian version so here there is a complete Cho recipe book and everything all in Italian it's Permessa alla Trazuzone Italian a Rigazamenti Rigazamenti
44:53 I have to get my Italian accent on and then I can pronounce things properly it's all about the Mario but yeah so if you are curious there is an all Italian version of this book out there but you know so yeah look at this it's all in Italian so I don't know if you're you know anyway special just breaking up from the jam there since we had an Italian in the house. I figured we'd take a little sidetrack. Even though I sidetrack these things and it's hard to make a table of contents wrong. I'm sorry, but whatever. So anyway, the Fruit Tree Winter Pest Control, basically, what was it?
45:37 It was soap, sulfur, and red fine clay powder. You know, it's pretty much what he uses for pretty much everything. There's no herbal solution in this, but he says you could use an herbal solution to get a stronger pesticide. so um so this was killing valsa canker scale arrowhead scale pear sucker and moss disease you know um that's what this thing was used for so you know hopefully you're learning a little bit about the medag and you know when to put in clay powder clay powder is going to help it stick
46:10 to the tree better you know the sulfur and the soap get it on there and uh stick that on okay so So let's, let's, is there two number 14s? There are, there's two number 14s. But we'll do this last one here. And I think we're done with the Madag recipes. Hopefully, please tell me we are. So the last one is soil foundation, which in my opinion should probably be the first one. Because if you're not doing soil foundation, you are always biting your tail like an ouroboros. and you will always spin in a circle versus if you start with soil foundation you'll have something
46:49 to stand on like turtles um turtles the whole way down um so this one is soil foundation okay so this is effective against soil nematodes vert verticulum wilt virus diseases okay so this one is using uh Jadam Microbe Solution, 132 gallons for up to 8 acres. Sea salt, 1.1 pounds for a quarter acre.
47:36 Oh my gosh, so hard to read. and phylite solution 20 liters for a quarter acre and wild grass and crop residue 20 liters for a quarter acre so part of it he's measuring for quarter acres and then part of it he's measuring for eight acres so i guess you could divide that by 16 what's 132 divided by 16 i know I should probably be 132 divided by 16. Okay. So it's 8.25 liters is what you should be putting if you were to match all these. So that was basically nine. Oh no, that's, that's gallons.
48:26 Oh man. Oh my gosh. How the hell is anyone watching this and understanding anything I'm saying. I don't know. Um, but basically nine gallons per quarter acre of the microbe solution. And then, and this is all going to be in for a quarter acre. So nine gallons for a quarter acre of, of, of the microbe solution, 1.1 pounds of sea salt, uh, 20 liters of phylate solution, which is five five gallons of phylate solution and then five gallons of um wild grass green fertilizer so oh man i'd have to re-watch this and write all this down to like figure it out
49:09 and or get a calculator right can't have calculator um so put these ingredients these inputs into water when watering plants water generously so the water takes on these inputs deeper than one meter. Do it before flowering or fruit trees or transplanting of annuals. Do it before flowering of fruit trees or transplanting of annuals. You can apply undiluted solution directly on soil if it is an open field directly before the rain. So it's best to apply all these solutions before the rain because that rain will help it wash it
49:49 deeper into the soil and that's where you want it to be anyway so always you know if it's right about to rain go out and dump all your microbe solution your your your uh liquid fertilizers your sea salts all those things right then um it's a it says apply over four times before transplanting for veggies and between leaf falling and flowering sprouting for trees so in the winter the dormant season you're going to apply it four times for trees in the dormant season four times and you're going to apply it during just before
50:28 transplanting four times for veggies apply this to the soil three to four times a month during growth so once things are growing then continue to apply it like basically on a weekly basis apply this stuff. Increase the volume of sea salt, phylite solution, and liquid fertilizer in the same ratios for areas larger than a quarter acre. So, you know, just take that quarter acre and multiply it and scale it up so you can get the right amount you need. For an area smaller than a quarter acre, take out sea salt. So, I don't know why if you had a smaller area that you take
51:07 out sea salt but um i don't know why would you not mineralize something area smaller than that why not just scale it properly i don't know um phylate solution is upper portion of the water you get after adding 62 kilograms of phylate to 500 liters of water stirring and settling so um keep adding water after use and continue to use for one year you can directly sprinkle phylite powder onto the soil so um and then i'll just finish it because i'll look up what the heck phylite is because i'm not even really sure it's it's some like mineral rock kind of a thing i
51:56 think yeah it might be organic matter type of stuff i'm not exactly sure we'll look it up And then it says GCJLF, grass clipping liquid fertilizer is made by filling up a container with wild grass and crop residue and filling it with water, adding a handful of leaf mold and closing the lid and fermenting for over one month. When irrigating, calculate so that the microbe solution is diluted around 20 times and other inputs at 100 times. so basically he's saying dilute your your microbe solution by 20 times and dilute the other liquid
52:36 fertilizers at about 100 times when you're using it so that's what the book that's the last recipe in my opinion it should be the first recipe because you want to build your soil build your microbes otherwise why are you killing pests if you don't have something to replace them So let's go a little bit over to the internet and ask it a few questions like, what is phylight? I didn't spell it right, but thank you. Auto-corrected. Phylight. Okay. So what is phylight? I'm not even really sure.
53:09 It's a type of foliated metamorphic rock formed from slate that is further metamorphized so that a very fine-grained white mica achieves a preferred orientation. It is primarily composed of quartz, mica, and chloride. So this is phylate, if you're curious. That's what it is. It's a rock, a metamorphic rock. um so it has fine grain mica flakes whereas slate has extremely fine mica flakes and schist so it has large mica flakes so um so apparently it's just mineral you're adding like rock minerals into this thing and you're just adding the water and like stirring it in very
53:57 fine powder stirring it and then the water that floats above probably has some of those water soluble minerals in it and that's what you're using as phylate you know water so again just it's kind of like a mineral water i bet you could do this with other rocks besides just this but um but there you go that is what phylite is um do i use it no i use um blue rock crushed dust and and that kind of stuff um but i don't have phylite around me i don't have metamorphic rock them in Hawaii. But probably where you are, there may be phyletic luster around you.
54:36 And it's interesting, the word in Greek, or word comes from Greek, phylon meaning leaf. So maybe this is compressed leaves. I don't know. I always go into the etymology and really find out what are they really saying? What are they hiding? Where's the hidden wisdom? And it's probably compressed leaves. The Greeks were probably onto something. I don't know. Conspiracy theory. Uh, throw a YouTube thing that says, Phylight is a rock underneath this. No, they don't do that. They only do it for, um, things
55:09 they want to hide. Not real fake news, just real fake news. Um, okay. Anyway, um, get myself banned on here. Um, let's see. Okay. So that's, that's what Phylight is. Um, and then just to go and to clarify those things here. Let's see this, this one here. Oh yeah, we'll pull this one up, this one here. So again, the microbe solution, if you get the book, download the book, knfsupport.com, get the book. You will find disgustingly cheap microbes. This is what he calls a Madag microbe solution, MMS. And so I use the disgustingly cheap microbes. You can follow
55:49 this recipe. This is how to get those microbes that he was talking about. And these are diluted 20 to 1 before adding to the soil. I say dilute 10 to 1, but maybe I should change that to say 20 to 1 because that's how he does it. But dilution that way. And then his disgustingly cheap food, the DCF, which he calls MLF, which is Majage liquid fertilizer. and so he's diluting that 100 to 1 so this is how you get your other nutrition in there so including the microbes plus this food again if you look back at the beginning of this episode
56:31 when we're asking chat gpt about cho cho was talking about imos and fpj which is the food So these are just the disgustingly cheap equivalents of those and the primary functions of natural farming. Like it's really about getting microbes in the soil and then providing enough food for them. So these two recipes are, again, once again, your go-to go-to. If you're not doing these two things, if you're not putting out microbes and food, and, you know, he says to do it on a weekly basis, yeah you're probably going to end up with problems in nutrition or whatever you know just problems in
57:12 general so um you can do master chose versions of these uh liquid liquid imo from from you know his processes but since we're covering medaj towards the end of the um you know this year these medaj ways are just disgustingly cheap and so disgustingly easy um that it's just like it's so simple so easy uh sese simple effective scientific and easy sese um they love acronyms in korea i guess and or maybe when it gets translated into english but these two things i would recommend you know and he's saying to do it on a weekly basis four times before you plant or four times while your
57:53 plants are are dormant to put both um disgustingly cheap microbes and disgustingly cheap food plus phylate and you know so a mineral solution and seawater right because seawater is the you know number one way to remineralize your plants super easy super cheap you know if we go up to the seawater here thing here you know talking about diluted seawater minerals it has every single element in it and so that's the basis that you know i would start with this i don't know why he doesn't start with this he starts with like killing things and just kill them and it's like bro
58:27 you should really start with like strengthening and putting the basics down, which are the microbes, the food, the minerals, uh, you know, um, those things. And then you, you, most of your problems you won't have. So I hope you enjoyed that. The Medaj, um, thing, I, am I wrapping it up? Am I really? It's June. I really should have been doing this for what, five months now talking about Medaj. I really should be wrapping it up and getting onto other subjects, but it's always fun to go through a book so if i am gonna wrap it up i'll just give you a little preview for next
59:01 week because we'll finish and wrapping it up with maybe we'll wrap it up in june uh wrap it up um but we'll finish out with this video here which is way too loud for me but this is when my dad's team came to big island and they showed us to make large-scale batches of these things. So here's them making sulfur. Look at all that sulfur spill out there. So we made large-scale sulfur. Here we're making large-scale soap. and then you know here's the sulfur here's the soap
59:51 and so we will cover these man that's noisy we'll cover these videos and the recipes for these in the last segment and i think we can then we can oh you can't oh i'm on the other side okay thanks thanks goof thanks and a good thing i keep keep track of it so you can see uh so we'll finish we'll finish the uh series up with these videos here which is like how to make the sulfur and how to make the um the soap so these uh because those are kind of the you know and maybe we'll do a microbe solution so we'll finish the month of june out you know with those we'll cover one week the
1:00:36 soap, one week the sulfur, one week the herbs, and one week the microbes. And I think we've covered all the Jadam. And we've gone through all this. And it was painstaking and grueling and all that. But we can actually go back to the... And we'll actually show you the uncensored version where this actually spills out and the people get chemical burn while they're doing it. Sorry to those guys. But since we're past the statute of limitations, it's cool. Unless they modify the statute of limitations to prosecute me with multiple felonies. We'll see. Um, but anyway,
1:01:09 um, you know, mix a little bit of current events into the back things. Oh, there's your, there's your bud. Yeah. Um, he was there. Um, taking all the credit. Um, cool. Well, yeah. So hopefully the Medaj we'll see we'll go through that we'll see where we end up and uh what's all that so June on the schedule I think I am going to Maui on the 13th we'll see but I'll be here next week for sure because it'll be what the 9th I'll be here um and we'll see so anyway um appreciate you tuning in appreciate everybody doing what's good remember it's increased today so make hey while the
1:01:50 sun shines do you know it's spring make the best out of your garden make the best out of teaching your kids, your neighbor's kids, the future, teaching the old people, teaching the new people, the old people. All of us need to know this. It's going to benefit our lives and strengthen each other like wind over fire or what was it? Wind over thunder, wind over thunder. And yeah, the Maui fires, all that. Yeah. Reheal the land with microbes, make the plants, make the earth green again bring it back to life so it's not a desert not a drought we're not so prone to fires bring
1:02:27 the trees back to life all these things that we do together through you tuning in and supporting pure cana foundation and honoring master cho and being such a cool person that uh it's amazing so thank you i appreciate you thank you love you of course long love the natural farmer peace and love prevail hopefully you know and a little bit of schism in the middle because what what fun would it be if it was just peace and love right gotta have a little bit of hardship in there to teach you you know about the good and or you know you learn through pain and whatever right so anyway
1:03:04 i'm gonna get out of here before i continue to mutter about the life and love but uh appreciate you. I just want to reiterate that. Um, yeah. And, uh, throw seeds around good seeds. Okay. Um, I'm going to go to this thing and go to this one and, uh, I'm going to peace out slowly today. I'll see you later.