No-Smell Pig Floor, Farrowing Pen, Banana Stalk Feed
Drake opens with photos from his first IMO piles in June 2009, made with rice mill run and IMO3 on his family farm in Hilo, before he ever set foot in Korea. He walks through his old garden — taro, comfrey, squash, nasturtium, sweet potato, peanuts, broccoli, dill, lettuce, cilantro, bok choy, radish, peppers, leeks, and corn — grown after he started applying IMO, plus a biochar trial with Josiah Hunt of Pacific Biochar and a batch of fermented lychee juice made by crushing off-grade fruit with brown sugar.
From there he retraces his first trip to Korea in October 2009: mixing IMO3 into a machine at an apple orchard that used a Hanseo speed sprayer, a strawberry farm training runners over black plastic mounds, the Gokseong KNF Learning Center, a hydroponic pepper greenhouse, and a cucumber grower who left gang life to farm. He also revisits Ginger John's early IMO piles, noting they came out mostly actinobacteria from turning the pile too rarely and letting it overheat, though he says any biology beats dead soil.
The back half continues Master Cho's slide presentation on livestock. Pigs on a no-smell sawdust floor stay active, keep their tails undocked, and get about half their diet from banana stalk instead of grass; the composting floor makes enough heat that no heater is needed, even tested in Siberia. Drake covers his farrowing pen (12 by 14 feet), why crates aren't needed when sows have enough room, a one-week heat lamp for piglets in cold climates, separate feeding stalls for nursing mothers, and a comparison showing mechanical farrowing pens push far more antibiotics into pigs than natural farming does.
He also answers a question on signing up for the 7-day KNF certification, levels one through three, at knffarm.com, with classes running November 6-12, 2023 and January 13-19, 2024.
Questions answered
- 13:13 How and where do you sign up for the KNF training? — Go to knffarm.com for the 7-day certification, levels 1 through 3, or email drake@pureknf.org.
- 17:22 How did Drake get into Korean Natural Farming? — He started IMO piles on his family farm in Hilo in 2009, learning from Ginger John and Dr. Park before ever going to Korea.
- 21:38 What did the biochar trial with Josiah Hunt show? — They mixed biochar from Pacific Biochar into beds under black plastic to kill grass, though Drake isn't sure if it was top-dressed or tilled in.
- 23:51 How do you make fermented lychee juice from off-grade fruit? — Crush cracked, unsellable lychees with brown sugar to break the skins and pull the juice out.
- 42:16 Why did Ginger John's early IMO come out mostly actinobacteria? — He wasn't turning the pile often enough and let the temperature climb too high, though it still beat having no biology at all.
- 52:35 What does a KNF pig fattening pen actually look like? — A no-smell floor pen holding about 10 pigs in a 12 by 24 foot area, with long undocked tails because the pigs aren't stressed.
- 53:55 How much of Drake's pig diet is banana stalk? — About half their diet is banana stalk instead of small grasses, and the pigs love it.
- 54:36 Why do KNF pig pens use soft floors instead of concrete? — Pigs love to dig and bury their waste in a soft floor, which spares them the arthritis and stress that come with concrete.
- 56:44 Do KNF pig pens need a heating system in cold weather? — No, the composting floor itself generates heat to keep pigs warm, a method Drake says has even worked in Siberia.
- 57:22 Why don't KNF farms use farrowing crates? — The pen is big enough that sows won't crush their piglets, so a crate isn't needed; Drake calls crates the most cruel thing he's seen.
- 1:01:00 How big should a farrowing pen be? — Drake's are 12 by 14 feet; too small an area and the sow will crush the baby piglets.
- 1:02:26 How do you stop mama pigs from fighting at feeding time? — Give each mama pig her own stall to eat in during farrowing, otherwise they'll dominate each other.
- 1:05:51 How much antibiotics does commercial pig farming use compared to natural farming? — Commercial Korean pork can carry roughly nine kilos of antibiotics per thousand kilos, while natural farming needs none.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Countdown
- 3:02 Intro, Welcome & Happy Father's Day
- 4:55 I Ching: Keeping Still as a Mountain
- 8:26 Order and Chaos
- 13:13 Signing Up for the 7-Day KNF Training in Hawaiʻi
- 17:22 Early Photos: Learning Natural Farming in Hawaiʻi and Korea
- 48:59 2009 Footage of Gokseong KNF Learning Center
- 51:39 Master Cho's Presentation: The Livestock Fattening Pen
- 55:04 Pig Nature: Why Pigs Need to Dig
- 57:18 The Sow and the Piglet
- 1:00:39 KNF Farrowing Pen vs. Conventional Crate
- 1:06:52 Principles of KNF Livestock
- 1:08:22 Thanks for Tuning In
Transcript
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3:30 Hey. Hey, good morning, natural farmers from Hawaii, reaching out to you all over the world. It's Sunday, the 18th of June, 2023, and today is Father's Day.
4:17 So shout out to all the fathers out there doing their thing, raising them kids right, teaching them the lessons of life and uh you know doing what it takes to be a parent and honoring those on these days what's up germany what's up maryland in the house and new zealand all over the world knf globally we are making a difference thanks to you, thanks to me, showing up. Let's see. Start off today, get a little bit of higher wisdom, see where we're at. And today is keeping still like a mountain. So still your emotions
5:07 through meditation. Receiving this hexagram is a sign that you need to quiet your emotions so you can think clearly. To answer the clamorings of the ego with action now is to invite misfortune. The yi ching counsels non-action and the stilling of emotions through meditation. It is in the nature of having a body to have strong feelings and impulses. however if we allow our thinking to be controlled by them we cannot act with the gentleness
5:52 neutrality and graceful wisdom of the sage instead we move rashly when we ought to keep still or we solidify when we ought to remain fluid therefore it is necessary to quiet the body and its inferior elements so that our thoughts and actions may be clear and balanced. Three things are advised of us. First, sit quietly in a self-supporting position with your back straight and your eyes closed. second observe the flow of your bodily emotions
6:41 do not judge or resist them the simple practice of watching them come linger and go without acting allows on them allows you to gradually separate your thought process from them thirdly turn your inner conflicts over to the deity for resolution the help of the higher power is only made available to those who ask for it in a disciplined way those who make an offering of their stillness and mindfulness this. Through meditation, we reduce the influence of inferior elements and make it possible for the
7:34 sage to assist us. Keep still as a mountain now, and you will be rewarded with good fortune. It's always an interesting hexagram to get before I'm supposed to start talking about natural farming. But that stillness, that empty space, that creating that space, that being still enables other things to move around you. If you're always moving, always trying to do the things, always trying to be that ego person doing things, then there's no space for others or the or the higher power to come in and help us out
8:26 i was just talking with my wife this morning about order and chaos and how that by the governments creating this order when we had a glut of energy they create this order these rules, these things, then it led the populace to being very chaotic and not in control of their lives. Like for instance, we were just walking at the park the other day. And when I was a, I remember when I was a very small child, this park used to be, it's Lulukalani Gardens in Hilo, and it used to be just trashed. It was just like, you know, it's, it's, there's all these old
9:11 Japanese statues in it. And it's kind of like a Japanese garden with, you know, like the, like gateways that you walk through to get into the park. And I remember it was just trashed. And the county, it's a county park, the county, the government is supposed to take care of it. But, but it was just trashed, right? And so, so as an elementary school, we went and we cleaned the park. And I went to a St. Joseph's private school and the whole school, like 200 students or so, all the grade levels went there and we cleaned the park. The little kids took toothbrush, cleaned
9:52 the statues. The older kids pulled tires and mattresses and whatever the heck out of the ponds. And we beautified the whole thing. And after two or three years of doing this, the park was just gorgeous. And even up until this day, it was pretty good. But now again, because the county is supposed to take care of it, there's tons of people that use the park, but no one goes and cleans the statues. No one goes and cleans up the trash. No one goes and deals with the lighting. No one, you know, the county mows it and they take the trash away that's in the bins,
10:28 but it's fallen into disrepair again. And I'm just using that as one example of that when, you know, there's supposed to this order, then it leads to chaos amongst the populace. Like I was just watching a YouTube last night where this guy was in Kentucky or not, excuse me, not Kentucky, Mississippi. And he was in Jackson, Mississippi. And it was like all these potholes in the middle of the road and people just driving by on their cars and expecting the government to fix the, um, the potholes and those things. And yet we, we, the people, uh, are the government
11:07 and in America at least. And then they, the so-called government governs by our consent. Um, and it's not that they tell us what to do. They're not our parents, but they are actually, um, you know, there to help us govern ourselves better because we're putting them in charge, uh, like in by in charge, I mean like, um, you know, but, but these institutions are broken right now and they think that they're in charge and we think that they're our parents and we think that they're in control of us. We think that especially on father's day, we think it's like
11:38 our fathers and they're not, they're not, they're not. Um, and it worked when there was a glut of energy. That's what I was talking about with my wife. Um, but now as we take that power back, we have to realize that nobody is going to come and save us. Like we, we are, we are the people we've been waiting for and you want the potluck or potholes fixed and start having potlucks and start making food, start getting community together, start organizing, uh, and get rid of that so-called order. That's actually chaos. That's causing us to be chaotic. Um, so the higher
12:16 levels were orderly. They caused us to go into chaos. Now they're becoming chaotic. And so we need to become orderly to fix these things. It's like the classic strong men make good times. Good times make weak men. Weak men make bad times. And so then you need another generation of good men to make good times. And it's this order chaos, yin yang going. But by stilling ourselves, by coming back to the center, by grounding ourselves, by being as firm as a mountain, and by meditating on this problem and seeing what each and every one of us can do.
12:58 Perhaps we can get it all up, right? And we got a global community here. We got Printer Bear coming in from Connecticut. You know, we got all these folks to do what we need. um and there's a question here from beaglez asking about the classes i know willie was trying to register the other day i may there may be uh hopefully the things up but basically to come for the class you want to learn more you want to be um get yourself you know as good as you can get, um, it's at knffarm, knffarm.com, um, knffarm.com. And then here is the certification
13:43 class. It's a seven day class. And I get you level one, two, three, meaning that level one is really like understanding the application. Uh, level two is making the solutions themselves correctly, knowing how they taste, smell, operate, and level three being the teacher and mentorship certification so that you will learn, you know, much more about the resources and everything. And obviously I can't make you a teacher in seven days, but I can give you the best I can tools to get you on the path, to connect you with the resources, to get you so that you know what you're
14:20 doing as best as you can. And then clearly from there, you got to actually do the work practice. And if you have been, that's great. You're probably going to get better at what you're doing by taking the class. Um, but you can do that. Um, I have a class November 6th to the 12th and then January 13th to 19th, 2024. So the end of this year and then the beginning of next year, I got two classes up. Um, and if you do need help with that, uh, email me Drake at net, Drake at pure knf.org. And I can help you out there. My, my contact is also at the bottom of
14:55 this page right here. Right here. So it says a different email for me, but that's fine. This is my personal email. It's best if you don't email me there, email me at drake at pureknf.org. But you can even write me a letter if you want, or send me a phone call. And the farm's way better than this. I got to update the photos. It's amazing how much KNF has changed in the past two, three years that I've been doing it here. I mean, obviously I've been doing it longer than that but two three years made a huge difference i should put a side by side
15:26 of this um but here's how to get to the farm here's where we are we're just outside of hilo um beautiful on a mail um but come learn you know everyone that's done it always says it's the best thing ever so um yep so email me and or you can just go here click select options and just register right here we got cottages for you to stay in you can camp on the land or you can just take the class and stay somewhere else. I really recommend you do stay on the land though and, uh, stay on the farm. There's, cause there's tons of stuff. We make meals together. It's, it's, it's actually
16:00 a good fun time. So just click on those, do those register there. I think that's all working, but if you got questions, um, you know, email, whatever, uh, get in touch. I can, I can manually register you too if you need. Um, so anyway, classes coming up, those are good. um yeah camp camp camping's awesome it's it's um you know we got a beautiful farm here uh the shower is right behind me here we got hot water everything you need um you can shower in the office um and or you know be wild like me and don't shower but um
16:37 but yeah so anyway thanks for that question on that it's a good place to start with a little bit of self-promotion but also you know focusing back on this yeah play play some katan Ben knows. We settled Catan here. Actually, I just settled two nights ago and got my butt whooped, man. But I did okay, actually. Got a few cities, built a few roads, got a few ports, but still got whooped. The longest road and biggest army always are the linchpins for that and then I'll tell you. Okay. So, um, what else we got going on? Stillness coming back to that.
17:21 Um, you know, staying steady. Um, someone did ask me a while ago, you know, how did I get into Korean natural farming? What did I, how did I get into this? Um, and I think it's worth showing you just a few pictures here um i don't know if this is gonna be uh good or not but here here's like one of my first imo piles here um this was in when was this taken the um let me see here this was in June 26, 2009. Oh, crap. Okay, there. There you go. That one. This is my dog, Honey. Honey dog.
18:08 She is now a banana tree. But this, you know, she lived a long good life. Here is the bags of the mill run that we're using. And we're covering on the top. This is a greenhouse. You can see this black. It's actually a greenhouse with clear plastic. And then we took black weed mat and put it over the top to make it shade house. This is my dad's foot here. And this is, I think our first IMO four pile ever being done here. You can see the IMO three mixed in. You can see all this IMO mixed in what we're doing. And we really didn't know what we were doing too much in the
18:42 very beginning here. Um, but let's see. Yeah. Here's, here's the mill run. Let me see. Oh, that's my dad um but here he was he was doing some weight loss program if you saw that um go back to that find that five second clip um but here's my dad's feet here's the mill run they were turning into um so he took all this mill run poured it out and then mixed it with um i guess oh maybe the mill run plus the dirt right away and then here we're making the liquids this in this vase here was our IMO one collection the seed IMOs here and then we're mixing in water
19:25 and the nutrients in this is my sister and um there's the gardens there's honey dog again this was back uh 2009 uh back when I was doing this stuff and this is before I went to Korea so this was back back in the day and then let me just transition over because I don't know what pictures are coming next and I gotta yeah okay I'm just gonna I'm gonna go okay so I'm gonna go backwards a little bit here because I do know which pictures are there um I just don't want to show you know take pictures all kinds of stuff you never know what you're gonna get
20:05 um here's the kind of crooked these are greenhouses that we had back then I just uh move back from college like a year before that, two years, about a year before that actually. So here's the, it looks like this is an IMO 3 pile doing its thing. You can see the mycelia starting to grow out here. And this is the IMO 4 pile. So we would take the, what are those called? the bags, these paper bags that the mill run came in and actually put them on top the IMO, which in retrospect, it probably wasn't the best thing because it probably cut off some of the air
20:47 and these blooms out. And I'm not sure we were even turning it at the correct temperature. And the IMOs that we're getting were probably mostly actinobacterias and other things, but some anaerobic stuff that we're growing out, but it was good. Here's the, here's a chicken pen. Here's how we used to raise our chickens here. So we'd have them in this thing and keep them inside here. Although I know now that you don't need this tall fence. The chickens will just stay in when they're happy. But we're doing them outdoors. Here's those greenhouses.
21:19 And then we had this chick raising box to raise the chicks up above so the mongoose didn't get them. And they were laying in these trash buckets, which was not a good thing. So this was our beginning before I did natural farming too much. I was trying to learn and do these things and just make this garden a better place but it was getting pretty good results here's some corn I think maybe that might have been the trial we did with Josiah where this was the biochar corn I'm not entirely sure but I was working with him to do biochar and again back up to my my sister doing that um
21:55 um yeah so the classes the classes are um the classes are in november and january just so you know um and then i did see on this thing there was a biochar link here so some of my uh so this was one of the early trials that I did with Josiah Hunt here and my dad. And look, we put all this biochar out on these fields. So obviously the one actually down below was not the biochar one, because here it is. And so one of these had fish char. He drove his truck up. We loaded all this biochar on here, way more than we needed, but he wanted to show the difference. And we're kind of
22:42 looking in the soil. Look how young all these guys are. This was almost 10 years ago. But mixing all this biochar into the beds, being stirred in, I think. I don't know if we just top-dressed it or stirred it in, but trying to get out the Wainaku grass. And I would put this black plastic over and kill these big areas of grass like this, and then make these beds and put wood chips and biochar into them. And there's Josiah all proud next to his biochar there that he had made all this by hand, this biochar. and he's saving the earth man josiah hunt pacific biochar look him up man great guy
23:26 um and then yeah i guess we did roto till that in so you know and all the tillage no tillage type stuff um you know trying to do it right but it's not always the most i'm learning a lot as i go definitely a better farmer today than i used to be um this is picking avocados let's see what else there's a fermented plant juice one is this one any good yeah so here's here's an interesting one of me uh we got a bunch of lychees in the summer here um and so i'd take those lychees that were these are off grades obviously cracked and like
24:09 unsellable ones for whatever reason uh and then brown sugar and then i put all them together with amount of sugar and then just crushed them to break the skins and pop them open. And it's one way to do it because you got to crack this skin open for the sugar to actually get the fruit out. But just making lychee juice and just crushing them that way. So this is my early, early days. how did I get into KNF? Um, you know, um, let's see. This one says garden. Let's see if this one's any good. No, I should have organized the photos ahead of time maybe, but, um, let's see here.
24:55 Do we have any, I was just starting to learn natural farming in these, um, back in this time frame so some of my first IMO applications seeing what um you know what made sense and what was good let's see I was growing a lot of stuff that's for sure um mostly like European vegetable type stuff oh it's like cannabis there um let's see gurning tutorial uh oh man the then the cows got out and smashed everything well we'll see okay so there's john's here no it's like hanging out with ginger john after hours
25:49 um let's see here still is a mountain should probably show yeah this looks okay i'll show I'll share some of these. So this is like July-ish. So this is what my gardens used to look like back in the day here. And, you know, I've grown some taro, measuring it with this book. Comfrey, some squashes, nasturtiums. The big leaves, once I started using the IMOs, they got huge. Sweet potatoes, peanuts. Beans didn't look so hot. They were getting hit by some broccolis.
26:35 So growing nice broccolis with the IMOs. They really do well with IMO. Some dill. And look how big the taro leaves were getting. My lettuces. My cilantro. Cilantro. Some bok choy. What is that? Radish. Peppers. Leeks. corn this corn not doing so hot this was the one that was down below and then do i oh this is the corn that was up above in the biochar i think do i have a picture of the biochar i don't know there's a trap i went down to the river apparently there's the chickens let's see what else um yeah no okay so did all that did all that did all that and then is there any
27:27 Korea footage. Let's see. I know I went October 30, 2009. Oh yeah. Okay. So then here's some Korea footage here. This is us, Honolulu Airport, going out, my dad, me, this is like how, you know, so I've been doing natural farming. I've been learning from Dr. Park, Kim Chang, Ginger John. But then 2009, October, we got a chance to go to Korea. this was the first getting to korea we went to the beach there was this weird like plane thing that went over the ocean i didn't know what that was at the time thought that was cool
28:06 and this is mixing this is the first facility we went to this is now mixing into an imo machine so this is imo3 here some dirt this is some soil rockish type stuff this is when they're talking about mixing the two soils in plus the imo3 and this is going into a machine here's their recipe so um and i was really bad at taking photos back then but this is them loading the imo3 into this thing that's going to take it up into this machine they're putting in some oyster shells it's all going in it's all going to get mixed loading some dirt in um nice butt shot there
28:47 but there's a solutions this is actually his yeast over here um and this was at the apple farm i guess you don't get to see the IMO machine. I don't know. I took videos. I don't know where they ended up. I think they're on YouTube, actually, if you look. But this guy's apple orchard that we went to with Master Cho. This was one of the first farms we visited. And Dr. Park here translating for us. Dead bird. Bug traps. And then they had this mylar down to reflect sunlight back up to make sure these apples were like just perfect because they're trying to make a lot of money on them
29:25 nice shrubberies the knights of knee would be excited but the apple farm going there doing this he was making apple juice and all that stuff um see apples this is mike hubble legendary natural farmer is it this date dwight sato there um but when this this is the first farm we ever saw in Korea going through all this apple orchard and then we're digging down into his soil to see how good his soil was he's also doing solar panels I'm trying to make that scrilla I took a lot of video so the photos are only like some of the things you want to see
30:11 and I don't know what oh this was his farm saying that he was certified I reckon And then he was also registered by the Janong Natural Farming, which is Cho's natural farming organization. He's part of that club. And it's ISO 9000 and 14001 certified, both these, through this ISO standards there. Master Cho's little logo here. And I think this was this other organization he was part of. but pretty sure this talks about how he's part of this club. And I think his number was maybe this one. I'm not sure which, which number is his, but there's master Cho in front
30:58 of this. This is a classic picture. You may have seen this one before with my dad's hand in there. But lots of people steal this photo. I took it. And here's his spraying unit. So he would drive this thing and look at all these misters in the back. This is how you treat the apple orchard is he would drive this vehicle. There's a little driver's seat up there with a steering wheel. He'd load it up with solutions and then these misters, and there's a big fan that would blow it out. There's Kim Chang. Rest in peace. Tanya Palton. But yeah, he would drive this little machine.
31:33 So if you want to buy one, there's their phone number in Korea. And it's called a Hanseo Speed Sprayer. And this is how he was treating it. Oh, what is that? My teeth. Um, the moon was out, was this persimmons? Gotta be persimmons. Yeah. Persimmon orchard. We went to this guy was one of the best strawberry farmers. Um, young bear is his name. Um, we went there is between the greenhouses and you can see you came out of this one. We go into this one. I think this might've been the, yes, a strawberry farm. So, so they're doing it in Korea.
32:07 You know, these long strawberry fields, look at these runners coming out and they would basically you know walk down these center rows and then these are like two three foot mounds up on either side where they'd have the strawberries and they'd put all the IMOs and then put black plastic so that the weeds wouldn't grow and he'd pull off all the runners and then make that into fermented plant juice and spray it back but yeah here's these workers out there they got these little carts they sit on as they roll through. And then we went to the learning center here,
32:43 you know, 2009, 10, 28, like welcome to Gokusung, Hawaii natural farmers. And this was the learning center, which has evolved heavily since then. This was way back in the day. This is their refrigerator unit. This guy's name is also something Cho, this master Cho there. This is basically a learning center based on his methods. giving their business cards. I think this guy was the chief of the ag center. And then this guy is the chief of this learning center. Um, and then here we're like learning about all the, um, natural farming solutions. And, uh, Hey, thanks for the super chats, by the way,
33:25 if the, you know, those are great. Um, so, um, so then all these posters on the wall, telling how each one is made people would come here to learn they'd make them the solutions together with them then they'd take them back to their farm do all that tanya got the skeptical face on dr park man he's looking sharp in that suit um yeah and uh he's explaining it all to us what they're translating what they're saying here's their imo collection boxes some of their rice mill run. That's vinegar back there. And so here they're just, you know, they got these nice clay pots
34:08 where they make all their solutions in there, help all the farmers make them, teach them how to apply it. In the back you can see there's some IMOs being cultured. Kim Chang got the skeptical face going on. All these jars out here. I think this was talking about I don't know he's pointing at something I do have this video if you want to watch it oh is that Donald Decatur oh man Donald way to go he's you know all their solutions after they're done making them they put them in these jugs they label them they date them all those good practices and then here's
34:46 some of their produce they were producing through Gokseong County and look their ag program. Look at that beautiful produce they were marketing here. And then we went to the Goksung Market, which I didn't realize that's where we were. And here's some persimmons. They had mandarins, grapes, tomatoes, bananas. I don't know where the bananas, I don't think, came from there, but maybe they did. Then we went to a tomato house. Master Cho explaining that to us. I don't think I got any footage from that. My camera might have died. But tomatoes, they're training them up on
35:25 these. They'll put more lines and train the tomatoes up and tie them on. Bug trap right here and another bug monitoring station. This also was an insect trap hanging above here. Irrigation running below. I think they ran the natural farming solutions through their irrigation and great tomatoes, great differentiation, alternating the sprays they're putting out there. They did have a little bit of whitefly. That's what my dad's showing here on his fingers. And they did have these insect traps. So the idea is that there's alcohol and sweetness down below
36:03 and the bugs fly into here and they land in the alcohol and they die. So this was to control like moth type stuff and this is to monitor how many other bugs there are but look at these sweet tomatoes just so vital coming up so healthy no synthetics all korean natural farming here um again they use the black plastic underneath to kind of do it and this is in a greenhouse right dual dual layered so they can climate control it and look at all these bugs dr park looking sharp and this was a pepper thing, and there's a few bugs on the peppers and a little bit of powdery
36:44 mildew looks like, and they had over sprayed. I think Master Cho hassled them for that, but then see the residue on there? That's not good. I think he was hassling them. Oh, look at that Korean cat. Fan that had seen better days. Not sure what that was. Oh, this was the walls they used to insulate the thing. And this pepper farm going through, looking at these peppers, these ones look nice. I think this was the natural farming one. And these are actually hydroponic. So they run the natural farming solutions down in this hydroponic. And then as these peppers grow up, they trellis
37:23 them. And this thing would get, they'd grow them like, I don't know, like 15 feet tall. And they'd take it out you know and this was a sweet uh glass greenhouse and then everywhere in Korea is is planted there's no space that's not like something there's a rice field and then there's cabbages and then there's you know um and I was just amazed like here's daikon growing down the side of a field right and then here's this tractor wrapping up their um their silage and then here's the ground cover we're now in a persimmon field and this was like looking at their ground cover
38:01 um not exactly sure what these species are but um but great ground cover and that's what was making these persimmons so well and good they've been doing natural farm for a couple years here and then someone caught a cricket and there's a dragonfly and or not a dragonfly what do they all those things something else um pseudo dragonflies oh and the korean dogs i love them um and what was this oh this is uh the um the cucumber guy he was a gangster and then he turned to cucumbers because he realized he could make more money
38:42 growing things and being a good person than being a gangster so we went to him that's that's him he's gangster look at his shirt and his pants those slacks man nice shoes too um but he was growing cucumbers that's pretty epic and he was doing really well growing amazing cucumbers no powdery mildew look at that why because he used korean natural farming solutions and sprays here's the outside of his um cucumber houses you know just growing cucumbers in a house and then this outside thing would roll down so that keeps the ventilation going um but look at those flowers and that
39:21 cucumber it's gonna be amazing he had fans up top for ventilation looks like he could heat those or cool those things down um either way um nice korean flag there and then we went to the uh korean palace it looks like. So this is back in Seoul. And Korean Palace. This was pretty awesome. I got a migraine headache while I was here. It's pretty wild. Power spot maybe. Some box that was important. Another box that was important. Another box that was important. And then look at those dudes, man. They knew what was up. They knew to protect the environment. Keep things.
40:05 keep their and look at those shoulder pads he's like and there's his box too you know this guy was more humble he had a smaller box and then this here uh the red moon the green moon like this is like a super powerful image i don't exactly remember what it is but um but these boxes man they would keep all their treasure in there and then is it maybe it's the moon and the sun above i don't know how they'd both be full at the same time unless they're just setting and one's rising but the river all that feng shui
40:38 here's where the chief used to sit doesn't look that comfortable but they'd carry him around so that was awesome and then the dudes surrounding him that would you know um so anyway this is my first time going to korea back 2009 so um look at dragon i like that oh and then this word made out of words um i don't know what that is my camera was a sundial yeah they were smart and then they had a what is this a level maybe i don't know astralobe another astralobe they knew what was up and then they knew all the chi points they could hit you anywhere and knock you out
41:17 um and then lamps and right angles and squares and things not sure what all these things were It looks like I took more pictures in the, um, there than I did of the farming. But it was only my first time. Oh, and then here's back at our farm. So we can go through this. Whoa. Um. Portulaca. Oh, man. Yeah. Well, anyway, I was obviously just learning about natural farming. What is this? No. We won't go through these. These are not natural farming photos. but there's an OHN workshop. Oh yeah, so this is Ginger John's back in the day here,
42:02 you know, learning from Ginger John back before I went to Korea. So he, you know, look at these nice bananas, his intercropping basils and things, his lettuces, you know, he's using them IMOs. I helped him put the IMOs out on his land too. First time ever, I didn't even know it. it's back in way back in the day um he'd been and then his amaranth and kind of polycultures here's and looking looking at his IMOs now I realized this was probably extremely actinobacteria and he probably didn't manage the temperature well and what he was doing like even though it was good
42:39 it wasn't as good as it could have been so this IMO that he was making I look at it now and I'm like, ah, that's pretty much actinobacteria. And this is what he's making for IMO3. And then he's unveiling an IMO4. And you can see he's not turning it frequently enough. He's letting a temperature rise and he's doing these things. And so only now do I have the eyes to know and the like senses to be like, that's not exactly what you wanted. But you know, when you're, when you're just first starting out and you see all this mycelia clumping together, you think, wow,
43:09 this is great, but it's actually actinobacterias. Um, and so even Kim, who was, you know, no one could speak Korean and go learn this stuff. We, we didn't exactly know, but he was, he was doing it right. You know, at least he's trying and doing things. And, um, and it does, it does have benefit, even if you're not doing it completely correct, there is benefit. But, um, you know, here's looking at this, this is, I would not be happy with this pile. That's pretty much actinobacteria. um but you know the piles heating up we're doing those things it's probably overheating at that
43:41 point and then he's covering it with this plastic which is not really best practices at all but it was working i mean it's it's you know getting some life in your soil is better than no life in your soil and he had this he built this whole barn just to do uh knf here and he would put all these you know these different piles he got a snow shovel to turn the piles um you know and he'd turn them but i don't you know looking at it you can see this outer crust forming and then inner crust being different it's not really the best sign of what he's doing here
44:12 um and how how it's going but but it is still life and it is still doing things and you can see the mycelia forming on the ground here so obviously there is some good happening but it could be better is what i'm saying um and understanding how all these things work together And so this was my initial learnings, John, you know, and he's just dove headfirst into this stuff because even with these practices, it worked. It was better than what he was doing prior. Putting some biology into your land is better than having dead soil. And but you can get even better. And here was this fish amino acid.
44:47 You can see all the soldier flies in there. I highly recommend you keep the soldier flies out of there. But that's some dank fish aminos. And then all these soldier flies. he'll let the chickens get in there and eat all these out of there um but you know he didn't really have the the world's best practices on this and then here's some of his noni juice um but just getting into it and just starting and starting where you're at and trying to do it and get into those things you know um and uh greg i think his little guy's name i want to say yeah
45:22 but he used to be a neighbor lived by kim came over taught all this you know all these i am mobiles doing their things. They're just, oh, buddy. But this was not the world's best practices. So buddy's eyes, buddy, buddy, buddy. I took a lot of pictures of buddy. I like buddy. But we were here this day to do a OHN workshop. However, I don't see that, but that video. So just so you know, let me just switch this back over. And if you end up, you're like looking for some of these things you want to find out more about this if you just click down below to the
46:02 thing there and then go to let me just go to knfvideo.com but you can just click on my channel down below um it'll take you to the same place here um but if you wanted to find those videos you could just search here you could just go over here and search from the search here and just say I want to go OHN workshop and is it going to show up? It's an older video. No, obviously there's a lot to talk about that. I'm trying to look for a specific video with Kim Chang.
46:49 Oh. Well, I always say here, just go search. I mean, you can just basically start diving into any of this and you'd find out a whole ton of stuff. But let's go. I'm looking for a specific video. It was with Kim, but it's not this one. Let me just search Kim Chang. Let's see what we get. Kim Chang here, here, here. What's up for my plant juice? Did I never upload that? Maybe I never uploaded it. um but anyway you can look at any of this and dive in you'd see it's pretty much all natural farming it's pretty much what my channel is right that's probably why you're here
47:34 looking at these things uh nope that's not the one i was looking for well one thing i always say is i'm not as organized as i could be but if you go back to the main channel here um let's see go to the home here um Those videos I was in Korea are down here. Popular videos. Here. So under KF Demo Farms in Korea, here, these seven videos in this playlist right here are the first ones. Oh, why am I getting an ad? It's because I'm on the other account. But here you go looking at,
48:22 you know, here's the learning center. Here's the strawberry farm. Here's a sweet pepper farm. Here's a cucumber farm. Here's that persimmon orchard. Here's the apple orchard. And then I don't know why the IMO machine didn't make it in there, but I'll have to add that one to the, to the recipes there. Oh no, you weren't, you weren't even looking at what I was looking at. Okay. That's part of the problem. Okay. Sorry. I did all that without you looking, but basically on the channel let me just go back and do this properly can i go back um
48:56 get out of there vrbo um so anyway on the channel clicking down below um and then scrolling down here to where you see the um knf demo farms in korea and this playlist right here this one is um the natural farming you know like that learning center those photos i was just taking you too this was the 2008 footage it's actually since it should say 2009 because it was the 2009 um but you know going inside the learning center you know seeing this stuff with joo young um so this is where all the pictures that i was showing you today came from but it's basically
49:41 my my journey there starting these things doing those things you know these different farms where We're going through the pepper farm, the cucumber with this gangster dude. Where's the gangster dude? He's right there. That's him. You know, seeing all this. So there's more than just the, oh, Oma sitting down. She's like, I've seen this place a bunch. But going through and seeing, you know, these are the, which complements all those photos. Because the photos, I didn't take as many photos. You know, I was taking mostly video.
50:17 So, um, yeah. So anyway, those, those are there. Um, yeah. Showing you a bit of the history of what, you know, how'd I get into it? What did I do? Um, made a bunch of stuff wrong to start, but I tell you what, you know, you got to start somewhere and I can, my classes will help you get up to speed quicker and learn from about 20 years of experience that I've had doing this, which means I'm an old man already. Oh gosh. Um, but, um, let's see. Got a few more minutes left here. Office hours. I wanted to, of course, I've been trying, you know, could continue more with
51:04 my journey of natural farming, what I'm doing, meeting with master Cho so many times, going back to Korea about a dozen times doing all that um a ton of fun um well worth it and all that and but I wanted to you know I've been doing this series of always at the end of these things I've been going into um Master Cho's presentation here and so I figure why break to Dristan today I shouldn't I will go into the thing that we're on. We're on the livestock. So if you didn't check out the previous episodes, knfsupport.com. I know I run a lot of websites. It's kind of confusing.
51:47 Maybe I should consolidate. But knfsupport.com will get you to the office hours. Click on the office hours and then go watch and the end of them. I've been going over this presentation for like the last year or so. we're at slide 226 of them last year or last time we covered the livestock all the feed the floors the building how to get all that stuff built today we're at the interior of the fattening pen which i think we did last time but you know he's talking about the manure decomposing on the floor
52:22 respecting the animal welfare so they can dig with no stress and play around these little piglets They eat grass and rice straw, which lowers your feed costs. And then finally, today, we're getting into what do they actually look like, right? Here's some of the feed pens. You can see they're on the no-smell floor. This is a fattening pen. They have tons of airflow. They're not diseased. They're actually active. They're nice. These pigs are all sizing really well. These pigs are ready to be sold to market, pretty much, right within this batch of They're moving them out of there.
53:00 So they're raising about 10 pigs in a roughly 12 by 24 or by, you know, pen area. I don't know if it doesn't show the dimensions there, but this is, they're basically at max capacity right now. And you want to move them out from here. You don't want to raise these pigs where they don't have enough space. But notice also their tails are long. They haven't been docked. and it's because the pigs are not fighting with each other they're not upset they're actually happy to be living in these conditions it's really nice for them they have a whole little
53:35 social order they get fed really well they do these things so this is what you know the curved roof this is what master cho's operation would look like in korea when they're just about to move these pigs out of there and sell them and so this is another larger area where they're doing a fattening pen, I guess. It says interior fattening pen. So this looks like a Berkshire type of pig, I believe. This pig is really prized, this variety in Korea. They're feeders over here where they put in the feed. They come and they eat, and they're on the no-smell floor. And again, there's no
54:16 cleaning. Like these guys, I think they were Cambodians, and they just came in and they just sit down on the floor with the pigs. So you don't have to worry about getting manure on you. You You don't have to worry about disease. You can actually dig in the floor. The pigs love it. No cleaning. So, you know, and you can wear a nice polo shirt and slacks and be a pig farmer. You don't have to worry about it. That's one of the cool things. And then they also, their favorite is grass. So you convince the pigs to eating grass is good for them. They love it. It becomes a lot of their diet.
54:48 For me, in my case here, I feed my pigs. About half their diet is banana stock. So instead of big, you know, small grasses, I throw banana stock in. They love it. It fills them up. And it's great for them. And the characteristics of the pig, they love to dig. What pig doesn't like to dig. So if they were on a cement floor all day, you were denying them their amazing ability to dig. And they live on concrete and they get really upset at you. But instead, you give them this soft floor. They can dig. They bury their waste.
55:23 they have fun they dig little pits they'll actually dig themselves a little nest to land they're not getting arthritis from being on cement and all those things so you're respecting their characteristic which again adds to their welfare and here this slide showing these three pigs chilling together the sunlight coming down right they're getting sunlight coming through their barn they're also living here they put their nose so they can regulate the amount of co2 that they get they you know they really have liberty and equality they're not at war with each other
55:58 there's no like alpha pig they really like because there's so much love in the system i really think it comes down to love for a lot of these things and so these pigs doing this thing here um you know um it's like what could be better and then again because the floor is natural and composting, it says not need heat, the heating system. So you don't, you not need it. You not need it, man. Like, you know, even in cold environments and people say, well, I'm, you know, I'm, it's like, this is in Korea. It gets as hot as you can imagine. And it gets as cold as you
56:36 can imagine. Korea weather-wise is like, oh man, the summers are hot and the winters are cold. So it's just like, you know, like Montana, basically it's like, you know, you could do this in Montana. It's like, and you can do it in Hawaii, the same thing. I don't need to heat my pen here, obviously, but it also helps keep it cool because the hot air rises out the top and it sucks in cool air through the side. But you can see the ground is steaming. They've even done this in Siberia. And that pig's tail was docked. I don't know what happened to that one, but, um,
57:09 but, um, yeah, so the floor itself compost heats up. The pigs lay there. They stay warm. They don't need that other stuff. And then getting into the sow and piglet here. So, so this is the farrowing and finishing system makes the piglets vigorous is what it says. How can you argue with that? And here's the, here's the little piglet cycle. We'll just start here with the mama. And it says after natural farrowing, piglets enjoy mother's milk. So first off, you don't need a farrowing crate. You don't need to lock them in this like prison. The farrowing
57:45 crates are the most cruel thing I've ever seen in my life I don't think people would eat pork if they knew their pig was raised in a farrowing crate it's like imagine locking yourself in a coffin for like three four weeks when they farrow it's like oh but because the area is big enough they don't need the farrowing crate and they don't kill their babies and they don't crush them and they don't you don't need to make the mom forced to lay down because you're giving enough nutrition that she'll naturally want to nurse and so they enjoy them the mother's milk you feed her
58:18 kalfos which is this kind of structure enough to keep her so that she raises good piglets then you um then it says piglets become to eat mother's feed including grasses so as the pigs stop eating the milk they they size up a little bit they will start to eat these foods so if you watched my pigs a couple couple weeks or almost a couple months ago now um you'll see the pigs started to eat the papaya they started to eat the mom's food they started to eat the grasses they eat the banana stalk and then it puts less pressure on the pig to feed them and of course
58:53 eating these foods makes the digestive capacity capability go up look at this happy little pig eating that grass there look how smiley and happy he is um and then that then leads to this thing where then they have um their gut biome is inoculated so their excretions are less stinky to start with because they have a healthy gut microbiome they're also able to digest more nutrition you're also able to feed them more grasses and those things that aren't um as rich feed and they get more nutrition out of it so you have healthier meat coming out of here
59:33 and the floor again is made out of sawdust local soil microorganisms and their waste as soon as it hits the floor because you keep this floor dry as soon as their waste hits the floor it's the only moisture so the microbes just ferment the waste so quickly because that's the only moisture there is they spawn in there and before pathogens can establish themselves pathogens are the ones making stink the good microbes beneficial soil microorganisms take over and they when through fermentation produce co2 so you don't get a stinky pig pen and out of this you get more meat or you
1:00:12 rotate the cycle around and start to keep these pigs going so the really only thing you have to do after you've built a good floor is you have to add good food in fermented food all that and it basically is an endless cycle of baby pigs which are some of the cutest things on earth and um a loving relationship where you're caring about their animal welfare so and then here's a bigger picture of the farrowing pen what does it actually look like it is rather large it's mine are um Mine are 12 by 14 feet, 12 feet by 14 feet.
1:00:54 So you do got to give them a fair amount of area because if you put them in too small of an area, they'll crush the baby piglets and it's not good. But in here is a place for the mom to nurse. And then this is like a small area where it's segregated off with little bars. and you know just so the baby pigs can fit through like bars about that far apart so the baby pigs can go through but the mom can't go through in this little square over here in korea they put a heating lamp for a week after their birth which i don't do here i don't need
1:01:33 a heating lamp it's not cold enough for me but if you did you can put a heating lamp in for your little baby pigs for a week after their birth and you can remove that heating lamp but also in that that segregated area where only the baby pigs can fit through is feed for the baby pigs because if you don't feed them in their own spot the mom will eat all their food i mean they're pigs right don't don't forget that they're pigs and then you have the feeder for your mom and then her watering dish here and so this pen is big enough that the the mom and they'll come out they'll
1:02:10 nurse they'll love it they'll go into their heating lamp they'll come eat their own food and then they'll eat you know the mom will have her own food to eat and keep her healthy and obviously supplement her diet properly for raising pigs um so there's ways to adjust all the feeds and all that um and then again under that is just sawdust local soil and sea salt so I use wood chips. I have the logs in this case, he just has concrete under it. Um, and so, you know, um, but super easy to do and build. Um, and then the interior of the firing pen,
1:02:46 this is before, as the moms are starting to, um, go and, um, eat is actually that each, each mom, when they're feeding the moms, not the meat pigs, but the mama pigs, because they're big, they have their own stall to eat and they feed them all individually and separately. If you don't do this, the mom pigs will fight with each other and they will dominate each other. But if you give them each their own stall to come in and eat, they won't. You don't have to do this for the market pigs, but the mom pigs you do because they're so much larger. I don't, I just,
1:03:20 and this is when they're not in pregnancy. You know, like when they're pregnant and they're giving birth, you put them in this pen. When you're not, they're not pregnant, you put them all in this shared pen and then make sure you feed them sort of individually like this but i don't i don't do that i just keep one mom in the pen like this all the time but i'm not running like a full on commercial type of operation here and so this is again what the baby's uh pen would look like so where the mom is out here and then the babies have these bars that only they can fit through to
1:03:52 be under this heat lamp and their feeder would be there and then that's the mom's feeder there so this is what i'm talking about these bars where the babies can go through to get into their little area and this is what the mom's failing like when she's actually giving birth and nursing and you know that's what her pen would look like so um yeah and then again they're mixing the little pigs with the chickens and having this things where they can help each other the um chickens will eat the cow or the pigs manure
1:04:26 and all this and then um it's a super symbiotic relationship between what you can end up having and the pigs will generate food for the chickens the chickens will then crap and then generate food for the pigs um they'll swap off so oh i may should i finish this poultry i might just leave the poultry or finish this out next time it looks like next time well maybe i'll finish i mean look at these amazing moms and all the pigs nursing. There's two moms in the same pen nursing. I love the little baby pigs. Look at
1:05:02 them stacking. These ones got the bottom nipple. These guys got the top one, but look how many pigs you get. Look at that. The mom's so happy head to head and just like leaning on each other, just like happy raising pigs together. Um, and then this is the nasty one. This is mechanical farrowing pen this is if you're not doing natural farming this is like the hell on earth that these pigs endure like look at the difference between this one where they're at length they're hanging out with each other and this one where this is like a commercial just like hell on earth
1:05:37 locking them up um thing and the difference is that if you raise um well and and then also in commercial when you raise them in this hell on earth where they're on cement floors and they're all in this hell you have to use tons of antibiotics just tons like they use tons of antibiotics so if you're eating pork in korea you're getting like way the heck more per thousand kilos you're getting like nine kilos of antibiotics or whatever i can't read this but and but natural farming you don't need any antibiotics so it's showing that their hormones
1:06:17 against stress they have way more hormones against stress i don't know which hormone each of these is measuring but basically the mechanical when you put them in that hell on earth um they're super stressed out and in natural farming they're not stressed out they have ability to buffer the stress because they're relaxed so um so anyway it's all about animal welfare it's all about these things. And this one just ends with thank you of ending that pig thing. But I just figured it may as well go back to this first slide of basically in the whole animal raising thing. It's about
1:06:55 their welfare, their respect, and their harmony. And really thinking about the pigs, raising them correctly, raising your livestock how you'd want it. Like, imagine something enslaved you. You'd want them to give you the best care and attention and, you know, let you be as healthy instead of enslaving you and putting you into like this type of environment, you'd rather be enslaved in this type of environment. So, and, and it may, your enslavement actually may, I say that it may actually be better than living in nature because nature itself is
1:07:28 pretty cruel. So if you have, um, you know, beneficial, um, benevolent leaders and everything, then you can have this. And so if we're going to enslave something else, we may as well do it in better give them a better life than they would have um and do all this so i don't know anyway i'm not sure i should have breached that topic but anyway stay strong like a mountain next time we'll get into this poultry i know there's a lot of chicken raisers out there so we'll get into the poultry um pork producers getting the integrated animal farming i can tell you you will benefit
1:08:04 if you can get the integrated animals in whatever level you can do that the whole system will get better you'll get richer meaning more prosperity not just greed rich but better than that and all these good things that i need to you know talk about and all that so appreciate you tuning in worldwide we've got idaho the hoosiers where are the hoosiers is that illinois no ohio indiana i don't know hoosiers somewhere in the midwest we'll just say the Midwest in the house. American Midwest. Ben from Arizona. All you guys. Thank you. New York. What's up, goofman? Appreciate you.
1:08:46 Keep it going. Thanks to Pure KNF Foundation. Again, knffarm.com. You want to check out the classes, all that. And I'll be back next week, I reckon. I've been pretty steady on this. You know me. Showing up, doing the thing. Thanks to Master Cho. Couldn't do this without him. you guys saw a little bit of my journey of without that without master chowman i would still be making anaerobic microbes i'd still be making all this crazy stuff and it's really through like years of refinement and training that i've learned how to make the pristine good stuff so appreciate the
1:09:20 super chats thank you bird awesome you know i always appreciate those and you guys i'll see you next week i'm gonna close the curtain now okay aloha bye now