Liquid IMO Tea, LAB for Powdery Mildew, Storing Seawater
Drake opens with a look at fermenting algae and spirulina with LAB to make a fermented plant extract (FPE), and culturing spirulina and purple non-sulfur bacteria at home in a bottle or bag with a bubbler. He walks through liquid IMO4: the teabag-in-maintenance-solution method takes about five days unaerated at room temperature, or roughly three days with aeration, and bubbling is a sign the biology is active.
He shares a fish-waste experiment comparing barrels with and without IMO: the untreated barrel reeked and swarmed with black soldier fly maggots, while the IMO barrel stayed near odorless with far fewer flies. That ties into his no-smell pig pen, studied by Texas A&M entomologist Jeff Tomberlin's forensic decomposition lab. He also breaks down what to expect from ocean water (minerals), estuary water (sea life, gathered from the top quarter inch), and river water (tannins and washed-down nutrients).
On LAB: it starves out E. coli by eating its food supply, a mechanism used commercially to clean meat-packing facilities and tenderize meat. KNF Structure, made from bones, has helped Drake's own teeth and can be made from old sun-dried bones by burning them and dissolving the ash in vinegar. Seawater keeps well stored at a steady temperature, like a buried cistern, as long as it still smells like the sea.
For powdery mildew, he recommends spraying LAB early and often as new leaves emerge so every spot on the leaf surface is already occupied before mildew spores can land, with horsetail tea (for silica) and a JADAM sulfur recipe as backups. He also covers LAB plus vinegar and Simple Green against household black mold, fermenting spruce tips and dandelion, and horsetail's benefit for kidneys.
Questions answered
- 6:47 Can LAB break down spirulina and kelp into something usable? — Yes, letting LAB and wild yeasts ferment algae makes a fermented plant extract (FPE), richer than a plain-pressed FPJ.
- 11:30 What is purple non-sulfur bacteria and how do you grow it? — It is a key component of EM1 and EM5 that can be cultured at home in a bag with a bubbler, same as spirulina.
- 17:36 Does adding IMO to a fish-waste bin change how it decomposes? — The IMO barrel stayed nearly odorless with far fewer black soldier fly maggots than the untreated barrel, which reeked and swarmed with grubs.
- 21:50 Can KNF solutions be pumped through pond and sprinkler irrigation? — Flush lines afterward or run LAB last to avoid biofilm clogging sprinklers, and use OHN as a foliar rather than pumping it into a pond.
- 25:40 Should liquid IMO be aerated? — Master Cho's teabag method skips aeration, but Drake finds aerating gives a stronger aerobic microbial response.
- 27:56 Should I collect ocean, estuary, or river water for minerals and biology? — Ocean water is mineral-rich, the estuary's top quarter inch has the most sea life, and river water carries tannins and other washed-down nutrients.
- 29:36 How does LAB keep E. coli at bay? — LAB eats up the food E. coli needs, effectively starving it out.
- 30:42 Can KNF Structure help rebuild teeth? — It's made from bone and has helped Drake personally, though he's clear it isn't medical advice.
- 33:34 How long does liquid IMO tea take, and how do you know it's done? — About five days unaerated or roughly three days aerated at 75°F, and bubbling is the sign it's active.
- 38:34 Can old bones found in the ground be used for KNF Structure? — If they're fully sun-dried and weathered, burn them and dissolve the ash in vinegar to make KNF Structure.
- 38:58 How long can stored seawater be kept? — Store it at a steady temperature, like a buried cistern, and it keeps well as long as it still smells like the sea, not rotten.
- 41:18 Can yucca's medicinal compounds be extracted with JADAM techniques? — Probably not well, JADAM extraction is too harsh to preserve the saponin and surfactant qualities that make yucca useful.
- 48:06 What's good against powdery mildew? — Spray LAB early and often as new leaves emerge so every spot on the leaf surface is occupied before mildew spores can land.
- 53:46 Does horsetail tea help against powdery mildew? — Yes, horsetail concentrates silica, which forms a protective layer on leaves and helps light and water transfer.
- 56:20 Can LAB be used against black mold in a house? — Drake wiped LAB plus vinegar and Simple Green on a moldy roof and it kept the mold away for about a year.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Intro and welcome
- 1:28 I Ching: Development, gradual progress
- 6:47 LAB breaks down algae and spirulina; FPE
- 11:30 Purple non-sulfur bacteria
- 13:56 Integrated animal farming, decomposition study
- 17:36 Fish waste, soldier fly maggots, IMO test
- 21:50 Pumping KNF solutions through irrigation
- 25:40 Liquid IMO aeration and Master Cho's BMW
- 27:56 Ocean vs. estuary vs. river water
- 29:36 LAB keeps E. coli at bay
- 30:42 KNF Structure and teeth
- 33:34 Liquid IMO tea: timing and doneness
- 38:34 Old bones for KNF Structure; storing seawater
- 40:08 KNF Food for mineral deficiencies
- 41:58 Plant juice, OHN, and a KNF drink bar
- 44:40 Spruce tip KNF Food and terpenes
- 48:06 Powdery mildew: LAB spray schedule
- 53:46 Horsetail tea for powdery mildew, silica
- 56:20 LAB against black mold in a house
- 57:39 Dandelion, bamboo, horsetail for kidneys
Transcript
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0:30 hey hey hey welcome to uh korean natural farming office hours for june 12th 2022 and um yeah i want to thank you guys all for tuning in here and um hey what's up friends good to see you and um yeah i got got some good emails this last week of folks just checking in on more of a personal level of um and you know just been busy on the farm basically uh getting things together from um last week of being away and just kind of digging myself out of a hole and
1:19 doing some welding and fixing machines and things like that so good to see you guys all here check in. I want to start off the office hour with always with a little bit of inspiration. And today is development or gradual progress. Number 53 of 64 different hexagrams. So today is wind over mountain and development or gradual progress. And it says those who persevere make continuous progress. So the image of this hexagram is that of a tree growing high on a mountaintop. If this tree grows too fast without first properly rooting itself, it becomes
2:11 susceptible to being torn up and destroyed by the winds. If, however, it establishes a proper foundation and is content to grow gradually, it will enjoy a long life and a lofty view. Human beings are no different. While we often desire rapid progress, we want to change someone's mind today, obtain apologies now, achieve all our goals immediately. Sooner or later, we must come to understand that the only lasting progress is gradual progress. Chin comes to urge you to accept that fact and base your thoughts and attitudes and actions upon it.
3:06 When we have allowed ourselves to be pulled off balance by another or some event, The ego tempts us to believe we can influence this situation through forceful behavior. This is incorrect. The actions of the ego inevitably complicate our difficulties. The greatest influence possible always comes through the patient and steady refinement of one's inner self. If you will devote yourself to the path of the sage, with every step along the path, you will be strengthened. And progress will come automatically.
3:54 It will be gradual, but it will last. Be patient, modest, and accepting now. Life often demands that we wait longer than we might like for some change The only true comfort available during these times Is the knowledge that we are steadfastly developing ourselves into superior people In time, every honor comes to those who are persevering and correct oh it's amazing it's always uh the I Ching always seems to be that um that medicine I need that uh
4:44 that soothing of the soul that uh that greatness you know I was thinking this morning about um what I'm doing with this office hour and you know it seems like um a lot of us are already pretty confident in natural farming. And if you look back at my older episodes of the office hour, which I've been doing this since September, and pretty darn consistently, I think I took a little bit of time off in December, and then a little bit of time, you know, just last week, I took a week off. But basically been going at it, you know, and answering folks questions.
5:27 And in the beginning, there were just tons and tons of questions of just like, you know, how to do this, how to do that. And, you know, but I love answering those. So please, if you have some fire on my way, that's what I'm here to do, just to help. But, you know, it's it seemed like now now that we're this far into it and I've been doing this, it seems like, yeah, that we're developing kind of a little bit of a family here. and getting together that we all started to know this stuff. So I see Steve Dredd's in here, and he's talking about Blue or Superlabs,
6:13 and have I used it yet? And I don't know. In fact, I'm unfamiliar with that, Steve, so maybe you could drop a link to it here. And yeah, thanks to the Goofman for reaching out, Julia reaching out, Mao reaching out this last week. Sorry, I haven't gotten back to any of you. I've just been really busy doing this stuff, but I'm just reading through the chat here. And, you know, one thing I was thinking of is, okay, yeah, so Steve is saying, using LAB to break down spirulina and kelp. And I haven't used that.
7:00 I know spirulina is a great additive. On our island, they produce spirulina on the other side. Actually, so what they do is they take these long pipes and they go down into the ocean really deep. And then it was initially thought that it would be a thermal siphon happening where they could create energy. and it's a place called natural energy lab. And they thought they could put these deep pipes down to get cold ocean water at the bottom because it's really steep drop off on the Kona side. And they thought it would circulate water up, but they bring all this really cold water up to the
7:43 surface through this system. And I don't think it generates any energy. But what it does do is it brings up this super cold, really deep ocean water, which usually, um, the ocean doesn't really fluctuate that much. It's sure it gets stirred up on the surface, the top 10 feet or so, but below that, that the ocean doesn't really, um, mix that much. It kind of stays pretty steady. And so, um, so they're bringing this, this cold water up and what they do with it is they grow like lobsters. They grow, um, vegetables.
8:15 Cause as soon as you bring that cold water up, it creates condensation in this hot desert where it is and it feeds all these plants but they're also producing a bunch of spirulina with this because it's super nutrient dense mineral dense water down below and um and they're bringing that up as a system so they get a bunch of spirulina um and um and they're feeding you know making it into capsules to feed people but you can also get the extra excess that they have and my neighbor Ginger John is taking all that spirulina and he's just directly amending it onto
8:55 onto his plants and putting putting those out so so I know spirulina is hugely useful and I would imagine that if you're using LAB to break down these kelps and spirulinas and different algaes that you would get a whole bunch of nutrients and I would I would recommend that a lot of times people ask, can I make like a, um, use the can of food like, like by fermenting algae and fermenting kelp. And I think what Steve dreads talking about here, um, potent ponics, it thanks. Thanks guys for the contributions here. Um, is that, um, breaking it down this way of
9:37 having the, the LAB break it down, you get more of what you like, they would call like a, um, fermented plant extract like an fpe versus an fpj which is which is old terminology but um but but it's like um that idea of you're getting a plant extract versus the actual juice out of that algae so letting that lactobacillus those different yeasts that grow to break it down i would imagine it would be amazing so thanks for bringing that up steve it's it's um it's really a good thing. And, you know, on this Island with this, this heat exchanger pumping deep seawater,
10:13 bringing these minerals up and then growing the algae in it, you're going to get even more, um, um, you know, all those minerals. And that's really like the minerals that have been transformed by algae. So you're getting the chlorophylls and all these things that are just so, so potent for growing. Um, so I, I haven't, I haven't specifically done it. Um, it's not, it's not a resource. I don't, I don't go over to Kona that often to grab it. Um, but, but it is something that, you know, if you have and you can grow out spirulina pretty easily, you know, in a fish tank with a little
10:49 bubbler and changing the pH and put seawater in there and it grows pretty well. Um, I've seen, I've seen people grow it in their own fish tank and like, you know, do that. Um, so if you get a little starter of it, I think you can just start to grow it out yourself. Yeah. And, and, um, yeah, he's saying you can culture it at home and just little two liter bottles. Yep. And it's, and it's really easy to grow. And, um, yeah. And, and I would, I would think that that, and then, you know, when you're ready to use it, put some LAB in there and help it break down, make it bionutrient
11:25 available is really a good thing. And then the other thing that, you know, one of the last times I went to Korea, they were actually culturing purple non-sulfur bacteria as well, which is another component of commercial EM. So effective microbes, the thing that like EM1, EM5, these different recipes that people make. So these other algaes, these purple non-sulfur bacterias, which you can get out of puddles almost, it starts to grow in streams and different
12:13 things just naturally. It's one of the most more beneficial bacterias out there. And so they were culturing those as well with a little bubbler in a bag, you know, similar like a, like a bottle. And these are, um, you know, nutrients that you can culture at home and fairly easily. So I imagine there's a, there's a YouTube on that and looking it up of how to do purple non-sulfur bacteria. And also these, um, the, um, spirulinas and different, different things that are pretty easy that once you, like Steve says, once you get this starter culture, um, you know, putting these out
12:53 there and getting them in is, is really a good thing. So, um, want to shout out to sweeter than anything and Cheryl, both of you for, uh, throwing some super chats out there. It's always, um, you know, uplifts my heart to get some of those. And, um, and I haven't, Steve's asking, have I managed to get a culture of Jakava and no no I haven't either um I you know here here on my farm you know primarily the microbes I'm working with here are are what I'm you know I make IMOs all the way one two three four the whole deal but primarily what most the microbes I'm using are coming out
13:39 of my pig pens right now. Um, yeah, I'll have to, I'll have to check that out. Um, I'm not sure if you got a reference for that, drop it, drop in the chat. I'll check it out, Steve, on the Indonesian KNF. That's, that's good stuff. Um, but mostly, mostly what I'm doing is the integrated animal farming. So microbes I'm using are from the, um, you know, um, it goes through the animals and, and their, their waste that, you know, I take food, put it into the pig pen, put some wood chips, the whole, the whole like deep litter system, and then pulling those microbes out.
14:23 and I haven't even, you know, if you went to scientifically study what's living in there, it's just, it's just off the hook. Um, they, they did some studying with, um, Texas A&M, um, excuse me, I kind of didn't drink too much coconut milk this morning. Um, there, there was a study with, um, Jeff Tomberlin, um, who, who came out and let me, let me just see if I can pull that up. Um, but he, um, yeah. Um, so here, here he is. Um, and let me just transition this over. So you guys, you guys in this one, if you look, you can see my shirt is reading properly.
15:10 It says microbes are my friends. So that's the old shirt that I've had for a long time. But now that, you know, I'm in this little corner here and you can see my shirt proper like, otherwise it was mirrored. But this guy here, Jeff Tomberlin, he's an entomology guy, and he came out to study my pig pen with a whole team of folks. And he's a principal investigator here of the Forensic Laboratory. Let me make this a bit bigger for you guys. So you guys can kind of see this a little better. but he's a principal investigator of this forensic laboratory for investigative entomology sciences.
15:57 And, you know, the director of forensic and investigated science program. So they were studying like body decomposition and how this stuff worked and, and the no smell pig pen and how, how this stuff works. In addition, they were also studying black soldier flies here. And he's also studying decomposition ecology. So when they came out to my place, they were studying how these different things interacted. and just prior to that um i talked about how um how i i we um we had a dead pig um i think either
16:44 my dog ate it or i'm not sure exactly but um there's this dead pig and i put imos on it and it didn't rot for like several days until it and it almost like mummified it it didn't it didn't decompose until eventually the inside of the guts exploded um because you know i didn't i didn't like embalm it like a like a full mummy kind of thing um but this guy if you search him uh and you'll find you'll find he has um you know i could probably find his stuff here and find find out more about him but he did some papers on what we were studying um and he was he was really interested in
17:23 this thing you can even call him if you want and be like what's up jeff he's a nice guy um and so um so yeah um and yeah and then also i did another kind of interesting experiment i get i get fish waste every week and i i take the i was taking the fish waste and trying to put it into these um into these trash cans to create maggots the the black soldier fly maggots and just these grubs, basically, I guess. It's a better way of calling them is grubs because they're not quite maggots. But I did get a bunch. And the interesting thing is in one tank,
18:06 one trash barrel, I put a bunch of IMO because I wanted to cancel the smell. But these other ones, I didn't put any IMO. And the amount of soldier flies that ended up in the one that I didn't put any IMO was just like 10 times more, 100 times more. It was just writhing with grubs. The one I put IMO in didn't really, it didn't smell. You could put your head right above the thing and inhale and it didn't smell as it was rotting. The other one that you put your head above with all those soldier flies was just, oh, just the nitrogen would just hit
18:39 your nose and just be, oh, like make you almost vomit. And, but the one that I put the IMOs in didn't really have that much soldier flies. So no smell, but it also, the IMOs must have broken it down. So really interesting experiment that I was able to do, um, and, um, to, to find out about these different decomposition things. So I think, you know, um, there's, there's a, you could for sure be a PhD in natural farming, uh, get your doctorate degree. Um, so you can be a doctor too. Is there a doctor in the house? Oh, I'm a doctor of philosophy. This man's dying.
19:18 has he ever lived? Um, yeah, anyway, no, no offense if you are an actual doctor and, and got your thing, but, um, but it's always kind of funny that, um, we have these different levels of study that, that, um, lean out to, um, anyway, but you, you know, studying science, advancing our knowledge base forward, bringing those things in is always great. So, um, okay. so um yeah it's it's good you guys are talking about this a little bit here where anthocyanins these are these are things that i you know i'm learning here while
19:59 i'm while i'm listening to you guys it's it's great that we get this community share back i'm gonna have to look up anthocyanins and see what those those things are um yeah and I think it's funny too it's like yeah PWLD says you know the more I learn the less I need it's all super healthy with just the simple basics and it's true I you know in my practice I keep it real simple it's always like people on advanced natural farming the most advanced thing you can do is master the basics you master the basics you do them you practice it you don't need
20:37 that much else. Like, yeah, sure, you can do all these other things. But the other thing, which I appreciate this research, is to find what works, right? As other people are discovering these other things, like if we can grow spirulina in a two-liter bottle and you can make your own ferment, like it really simply would just sunlight a few nutrients, this is the kind of tech we need to get out to people, you know, as we hit this, you know, famine and hyperinflation and all these things. And Cheryl's saying, I'm definitely seeing how I will never know the full value of Master
21:14 Cho's system without animal husbandry in the mix. I'm missing out, but I'm doing my best on someone else's land. You know, it's easy to get chickens, put them in a chicken wagon, get, you know, you can raise a no smell pig. People won't even know you could hide it behind the barn, And, you know, unless they come to inspect, they're never going to know it's there. Not to say doing anything illegal or violating your leases or anything, but there's ways to do animal husbandry where, you know, we got to bring these systems back.
21:46 and then Julia saying I'm thinking about mixing KNF solutions for my garden irrigation just right in the small pond from which I pump the sprinklers in a hose for hand watering any thoughts on that stonemason was dropping some knowledge last time about his he's putting the lactobacillus in his pond and, um, doing some amazing things like that. Um, and, um, uh, yeah, so, so, um, so yeah, um, one thing is if you are going to pump the solutions through
22:32 irrigation, make sure you, um, make sure you flush it afterward or run lactobacillus at the very end. You don't want to create biofilms and clog your sprinklers. Certain things will start to grow in your pipes, and that's pretty gnarly. Yeah, and putting a bunch of KNF medicine, the OHN, into your pond, maybe not the best idea. It's pretty expensive, plus the alcohol. Anyway, it's better as a foliar, for sure, than trying to pump that way. But the rest of those solutions, I think, um, should go really well. So what's up, George? Hi, you guys. Um, and no,
23:14 I've never seen Hannibal with a mushroom killer, but, um, sounds, sounds wild. Um, definitely a good way to decompose bodies. I swear if, you know, if I ever needed to get rid of a corpse, it's like the IMOs would do it. No problem. You know? Um, so, and then, um, sweeter than anything saying I experimentally cleaned a bucket of yard waste mulch my mother's cat had peed in with IMO LAB activated apple cider vinegar I wasn't really expecting it to work but yeah these things bite all these or eat all these things up and
23:53 yeah and the goof man thanks for thanks for sending me all all that stuff man it was so nice to see your journey and the pictures and all those things. I don't know if you want me to share that with anybody, but I thought it was just kind of between us. But yeah, the Hosen sprayer and seeing what he's been doing with his garden is just so inspiring. Everything's growing. He's in thick clay soil and it's taken off. So there is one good, so okay, anthocyanin are your purple compounds for frost or UV protection. It's a flavonoid. Okay,
24:37 yeah, so extracting those out, I mean, I would assume you would get, if those are the things, you would probably get those anthocyanins in a can of food. When you do the fermented plant juice process and you're getting this can of food out, I would assume it's in there. And then when you feed that food back to your plants, you're giving them some anthocyanins. Because if it's UV protection and frost, those things would be in there. And it can boost your molybendium. This is cool, man. thanks for downloads on this. And also, I saw Steve, you just put up a bunch of your YouTubes,
25:18 just flooded my whole subscription stream. I was like, oh man, wild. But yeah, thanks for sharing so much that you do. You're so knowledgeable. And the podcast we did was great, man, getting deep into LAB and all that. So I just really appreciate you and what you're doing out there as a content creator. And to make liquid IMO4, basically you could take IMO4. Master Cho says just take it in a teabag, mix in basically the maintenance solution and just put it in as a bag in there. And he doesn't use aeration. He doesn't use anything else. It's just the maintenance solution
25:59 puts the bag and he makes liquid IMO. However, I've seen that if you aerate it, you get much better aerobic microbial response so master cho will tell you don't aerate it everyone else says aerate it and then also looking up master cho's bmw type systems um so yeah okay and so um spiraling is good because it can live in ultra high ph levels oh man typing a whole bunch here, skipping me around. Um, yeah, yeah. And even, yeah. So you're saying make ultra high pH levels. So maybe, um, put in a bunch of, uh, what is it? Um, baking soda and
26:46 then put in your, um, put in the, um, spirulina culture and get that going. Um, yep. And LAB can cure E. coli and aquaculture. Yep. And whey and IMO2, all these things. You guys are on the right path. Yep. And then the hose end sprayer and these things make it easy. For aquaculture, it's one to a thousand. Yep. oh yeah you guys are good so if you if you're not subscribed to potent ponics or this channel you know maybe you consider subscribing great content coming out um been sharing all these
27:38 things let's see man this thing keeps scrolling me down yep and white paper on lab and lettuce production aquaponics um and also using um okay so um sweeter than anything is saying i have access to atlantic plus estuary plus river water with a range of salinity is it worth the trouble of collecting them all and adjusting a dilution have a cheap digital meter for it okay so question here is like if you have access to the ocean and estuary or river water you're going to get three different types of things in your ocean
28:20 you're going to get more minerals. So if you go out to the ocean water and you grab that, you're going to get more minerals. In your estuary where freshwater and saltwater are mixing, if you gather the top quarter inch of water, you're going to get a lot of sea life. And not only are you going to get freshwater and saltwater, you're also going to get a bunch of the sea life that's growing, which those sea microbes are really good for rejuvenating your land-based microbes as you mix them in. And then if you go to the river water, you're going to get different
28:55 things like purple non-sulfur bacteria and different like tannins and different things that are washing down in a river, different nutrients that are coming down. So ocean water is lots of minerals. The middle estuary where they're mixing is where you get a bunch of life, microbiology life. And then the river, you're going to get different nutrients that are washing in. So it all depends on what you're wanting, you know, gathering. But those are the main differences there. And yeah, potent ponics, you know, I'm glad you guys are talking here. But yeah,
29:36 yeah, LAB keeps E. coli at bay. It just eats up the food that the E. coli was eating. And the LAB is so hungry, the lactobacillus, the KNF protectors, they just eat the food and they protect everything else. They protect it for a healthy for mammals type of idea. So because they come from the milk, the mammaries, they're really related to the mammals. And so that's what lactobacillus is best at. It's all encoded in this way. We live in the milky way, right? The milk and the way are right there. So they're telling you like lactobacillus are the most beneficial microbes
30:15 in this galaxy that we're in. We're in the Milky Way. So it's all encoded in our language. If you're able to read and to see that, you know, the ancient wisdom, wherever this stuff came from, It was really well encoded. Um, so yeah. Um, so, and then, um, uh, George is saying, I still don't believe actually using KNF structure has taken the toothache away. Can it be true? Um, it, it, KNF structure is made from bones and so it can help to rebuild teeth. And so, yeah, I mean, possibly, you know, not medical advice, but I've used it myself and it's worked pretty
31:05 darn well on a lot of things. I've taken enough of it, you know, that plus the minerals, it really helps to rebuild. So proof's in the pudding of what we can. And yeah, so explain those things to you guys here a little bit. I'm glad so much learning in the chat. I saw it's good stuff here. Um, yeah. So, so Steve, what I was talking about is that E. coli eats out the other food for the, um, for the E. coli. So the LAB eats the E. coli's food. I think that's the mechanism. I'm not a hundred percent sure it'd be worth testing, but, but that's the,
31:48 that's the thing. Like, you know, if, if you're here and someone's eating your foods, you're going to fade away, right? And so the thing that's more powerful gets the most food. It's kind of like the alpha that gets to eat first and eats everything. And so those are when I'm, you know, I think that's the mechanism. So yeah, yeah, out competing and consuming. Yeah, exactly. um so i think that is the mechanism um yeah so so e coli you know spraying um the knf protectors on your in your produce even you know in meat facilities where e coli is a huge problem they
32:33 actually you can look it up they use knf protectors they use it's specific strain of lactobacillus They actually use to clean meat pracking facilities. And in fact, they dip steaks in them, which is part of the reason it causes discoloration, which is why they then dye the meat back red so that you look at it. And so they're using, and LAB is also kind of a meat tenderizer as well, as well as OHN. Pro tip, if you feed an old chicken OHN, it'll become sweet like a young supple chicken. And so, yeah, and so LAB is amazing in terms of how it can cure other things and what's going on.
33:24 And so to answer Gurujamatej, it does bubble a little bit and you will get it there. Um, and it, it's, you put it in for about five days is, is, um, depends on your temperature, your air temperature, but about five days is how to make the liquid IMO by just the teabag method. Um, aeration is about three days if you're going to do it, but it all depends on temperature. Um, you know, if you keep your water at room temperature, 75 degrees, um, and bubble it, um it'll three days is is good to one day and a half it you really kind of got to scope it to see
34:10 when you're starting to make liquid IMOs um because it depends on the food and how fast they eat and there's there's a lot more research on that of people doing it um I don't typically make the teas and or to make them to like perfect I just I make them so it's just like enough biologies there and then I use them. Um, pretty, I'm pretty, uh, rugged. I manage about 25 acres of land here. So I'm not, I got more things to do. And I'm also kind of, um, you know, my wife and I, and my dad who's getting kind of elderly, we manage this stuff. So it's, um,
34:48 it's, you know, it's not time to be perfect on a lot of things. Um, um so um so sweeter than anything the water the ocean water you're getting is gonna it depends on what you want do you want a bunch of sea biology the estuary do you want a bunch of minerals from the ocean or you know do you want different things from your river which i'm not that familiar with that um but the the microbes if you're going to gather them are in the very top layer So just so you know. And Shaman King is asking, has anyone tried yucca extract mixed with water as a soil aerator?
35:39 I don't think, I haven't. but that's amazing that the lactobacillus was able to eliminate the E. coli in three different trials. It was undetected at the end. That's wild. Okay. Cool. So PostUp Media has just given us a little update. He just finished the shed with a water tank. That's awesome. Water is life. And the solutions are on the farm now. We live above our land and it's a mountain of stairs through the jungle. Have been planting and making beds, spraying IMO4, good things.
36:26 You're going to kick butt, man. Panama is going to be like, whoa, these are the best things around. Yeah, and people are talking about toothaches is an infection and needs medicine, but it's a microbial thing. And if you're able to balance the microbes, similar to how Steve is able to eliminate the E. coli in a system using lactobacillus, it's also like if your toothache is a biological thing and you're able to eliminate the harmful biology and restore the good biology, then your teeth should recover in certain senses. Not medical advice, go see your dentist,
37:10 which they're probably trained by the Rockefeller agenda to sterilize all of Earth. Patent pending, of course. So our medical system has been highly corrupted by certain types of learning, and they don't talk about biology, especially in your mouth. I've never heard my dentist say, oh it's important you have good biology they just say cavities happen and they get out a drill they don't ever try to balance these things out so you got to be real careful um you know and choose your doctor well make sure they're informed with nutrition and biology and microbiology and if
37:49 they don't know about those two things you can ask them some simple questions go find another doctor that is and um you know not just antibiotics but find a doctor that's talking about probiotics and Braden's saying he super saturated my farm with solutions before he got before he got to Michigan I hope it handles while you're gone man and everything's good scrolling me down here well anyway yeah good to see you guys yeah okay and um um can old bones found in the ground be used for knf um it depends on how
38:40 decomposed they are i sometimes find old bones out on the surface that have been just like dry washed from just being in the heat in the sun those are great take them burn them and then dissolve them in vinegar. You're going to get some great KNF structure from them. Okay, so sweeter than anything. Another saltwater question for the minerals without active biology. How long should I keep a batch of it? Figuring out how much to take at a time. um so you can store seawater as long as it's not getting real hot and real cold like you store it
39:22 kind of like a constant temperature like a cistern type thing that's that's how they do it in korea often they'll bury like a 500 gallon tank in their ground and they'll go get 500 gallons once a year and bring it to their farm and put it into this cistern and keep it and as long as you open and it smells like the sea and it doesn't smell rotten you don't get any like organic matter in there seawater should store really well so often if you're near the ocean you know gather what you can carry but if you're far away you know bring a bunch at one time and thanks shaman king good
39:55 recognize yeah thanks thanks for supporting us here and getting this together how much does it make how much sense does it make to produce uh can of food according to the contents of the plant for example try a canole in alfalfa or seaweed seaweed for canitians okay so x ought it makes total sense to target your plants if you know you're deficient in something, find a plant that's high in it, make an extract from making a can of food from it by fermenting it, and you get that juice out, supersaturate that, and then spray it back onto
40:41 that plant, you'll get things. This is where you can target certain things. Comfrey is a great aggregator. Grabbing specific plants that have specific things, like you're saying, um you're getting the tricontinels in the alfalfa or the seaweeds but if you listen to the above the seaweed answer was to use lab to extract it out um but yeah all these things are are great these are the ways to to get um and target and make things specifically for what you need when you need it. And Shaman King is saying, yucca extract can be expensive. However, the plant is
41:23 available over the country. I wonder if the nutrients from the plant can be extracted using Jadam techniques. Probably not. Jadam techniques are pretty nasty and you're not going to get anything that's going to be that usable in terms of what you're thinking of. Sure, you can get the nutrients out and do it, but you're not going to get like the, the yucca, um, you know, the, the saponin effect of it. Um, uh, yeah, a lot of surfactants. Yeah. Okay. Cheryl says that she made a full plant juice OHN LAB drink bar. And this, this, this may be the
42:07 new thing. This may be the way to popularize Korean natural farming is, you know, putting it in drinks for people where they, you know, you can get off alcohol and do this or even hitting the alcohol crowd and giving them these mixed drinks. I mean, you can make everything, you know, just so amazing for folks. Yeah. And so you guys are talking about different surfactants, these things. yeah yeah I think getting turning more people onto these things yeah that's such a great thing to do and and you know they say well I don't know if that quote's actually relevant here I was just
42:49 thinking of it but I was going to quote Margaret Mead which said it's easier to change a man's religion than a man's diet so if you can get them into the religion of KNF which is you know being kind to everyone and doing, you know, it's not, it's not an official religion per se, but it's just a, it's an ideology. It's a, it's a way of treating human beings, treating the earth, treating the planets, which is in alignment with a lot of the great sages out there who have said this, um, including, you know, yeah. Anyway, I don't want to get off on that tangent, but, um,
43:22 yeah. So changing the diet for folks by getting them, you know, even off soda, it's like, here, Here's something that's going to improve your health here. Okay, yeah, and don't pour yucca into your streams. Thanks for that tip, Steve, on that. Yeah, you know, and taking care of our reefs and our fish and everything is super important these days. yeah you guys are really on it with this yucca here grave robbing for KNF yeah no don't human bones you may get in a little bit of trouble
44:09 so thank you Shaman King again for a donation shareable sweeter than anything you guys it's amazing to do this so yeah saponins because they they'll they'll um gum up the fish's gills and then they can't breathe it's oh it makes the water too um yeah it's a sticker spreader right so um and you made uh julia made a can of food from the growth of young spruce tips today that that's going to be a wild one. Um, I was, I was talking to somebody and we're talking about, um, junipers making out of that and trying to make like, um, a gin flavoring kind of thing. And it also has a bunch of, um,
44:59 uh, what do they call those things? Um, terpenes in there, which are, which are wild, um, to, you know, but can make all kinds of great things. So it's cool to make it from, um, you know, the, the evergreens and those things. Um, do, do be careful cause they are more of a sappy plant. So, so go, go a little lighter on those, but, um, it's probably going to taste amazing from the spruce. And the thing is no one would think of spruce as like a fertilizer of food really. But now with this recipe, you can do that and bring all these things. Um, and yeah, you know,
45:36 making, you know, there are pharmacopoeias all around us, right? You know, when you go buy, some patented fertilizer or something or even a pharmaceutical. They're usually studies of nature of what's already there and then they extract just the compound they want out of it and so they unbalance the whole plant because that was all in balance living. They take out that one part and then they patent it and then they sell it back to you versus what we're doing is we're taking the whole plant, extracting it, getting all that balanced material, fermenting it, making it,
46:11 you know, water soluble, plant soluble, putting it back onto our plants, putting it back into our bodies, and we're getting the whole medicine. And so it's sort of like an alchemy here of what we're doing. And in each plant, if you start to study them and you understand what they have in them, this is how to unlock this. And yeah, OHN is great to drink for yourself. oftentimes in Korea, you know, Master Cho will ask the farmers, you know, have you been using the OHN? They're like, yeah, on your plants. They're like, no, it's like, they do, they do,
46:47 they do, but they, they most often drink it. You know, it's what keeps you, the farmer going, keeps you up and going. So, um, um, and then sweeter than anything is saying, got some faith in polyphenols in the plant food they made and made from the lettuce was too bitter for everyone. Yeah, but you know, it's supposed to be mixed with sugar, so not exactly sure. If you super saturate it, maybe it'll get a little bit sweeter. so in the microbes in the fermented plant juice process as it's fermenting to make that can of
47:32 food there it is breaking down and that's what's making it so available to everybody so yeah you're giving out the the solutions to people to drink and getting them hooked that's that's definitely the best way to do it um red bricks melted everywhere not mountains what's up i love love that idea you must be a fan of John Levi. I watch him all the time. What's good to combat powdery mildew? The lactobacillus, the KNF protectors. They will protect your plant. They will keep it away. And if you spray it early
48:16 and often, you won't have to resort to something like sulfur and you can keep it, you know, lactobacillus. Spray it on as the plants are emerging. One thing is when your plant is growing early, it's putting it, it's exponentially growing and it's growing, not just doubling it. Well, it's doubling. Yeah, but it's doubling each time. So each time it's putting out so much surface area that the microbes on the leaves have to keep up. So if on, if on a, if you're really suffering from powdery mildew on a bi-weekly basis, meaning twice a week, you spray the lactobacillus as those leaves
48:50 are growing, it will always have lactobacillus on there and they will keep the powdery mildew back. how powdery mildew works is basically here's your leaf surface right and there's all these places where biology can plug in and if there's an open space open and a powdery mildew spore lands it will plug into your plant and it will start to grow if every spot is is occupied by spraying lactobacillus and it's like oh well i've taken this spot it's like the analogy they gave was at the beach you know you go to the beach and it's like here's the sand and it's like you put down
49:24 towels to like mark out your spot on the beach. If there's an open spot, opportunistically, someone's going to move into that spot. But if you have towels everywhere and you have people enjoying the beach, the lactobacillus, which are protecting your plant, then the powdery mildew comes and it's like, oh, there's no space open here. And it just keeps going. And so even though you got powdery mildew spores around and powdery mildew there, the idea is to occupy every spot with something and the lactobacillus is the best at it so if you got powdery mildew problems
49:55 lactobacillus early and often soak your seeds in it before you're doing it then plant it then once it's the dicotylins come out cotylins whatever spray it keep it sprayed as the new as the actual leaves emerge spray those and you keep it on there even the bottom and powdery mildew will not have a place to get in there to occupy it and to get into everything. So that's the theory. That's the practice. It works really well. And you don't have to come with something like sulfur to try and kill the things. You just put good people in every spot and powdery mildew won't
50:30 get a hand on it. Same can be done with IMO4 as well. Stone Mason's talking about that of a T, right and so it's just about getting good biology to occupy so that powdery mildew and these other negative things and this has to go this has to do with a bunch of different things that we have any any sort of skin disease blight that's happening powder or the lactobacillus the IMOs will prevent it yeah spruce tips are commonly used in Finland to nourish the body after spring perfect good this is yeah that's the kind of stuff that i don't know because we don't have spruces
51:12 right around here and my my have limited contact i was just up in the pacific northwest though and got to see some spruces and all those things but these are yeah that that energy coming back that that the evergreens making ferments from evergreens are just that's energy mana they call it yeah um okay so yeah and um surrounded by red cedar made fpj of the greens and the blue cedar berries that's awesome um and the flavonoids yeah the flavonoids how could i forget those thanks medically fit it's all about them flavonoids um reminds me of my friend flavor kit
51:56 who came to the KNF conference in Texas. Check her out. She's on Instagram Flavor Kit doing amazing things. My morning drink is the maintenance solution. Yeah, mine too. And this morning, I made a little bit of coconut milk and banana smoothie. But I'll be drinking the maintenance solution here in a little bit, getting back on the welder and finishing everything out today, hopefully. Wire wheel and grinding. Oh man, nothing like being a farmer. Yeah, and the goofman saying the Jadam sulfur recipe is also good on PM, but it's more of like
52:37 a rescue thing. If you can get it early and often with lactobacillus, you won't have to put the sulfur on, which then won't translate into your plant. And the yucca extract. I don't know. I think you guys got some ideas on that. Yucca is not something that I grow here. I grow yucca, which is manioc, which is tapioca, which is cassava, which is, you know, I grow that, but it's not the same thing. I know. I know. Sweeter Than Anything says they did saturate, super saturate the lettuce, but it smells, uh tastes healthy but weird yeah lettuce lettuce is not um you know it's so it's okay to do but
53:24 it's not the best um to make those things it's just not as advanced it's more bacteria oriented because yeah anyway it's interesting um yeah and yeah there's medically fit saying just take the yucca and dry it out and break it down into a powder and that works. And also try horsetail tea spray for powdery mildew. Why? Because horsetail aggregates a bunch of silica. So the person earlier that was asking, can you ferment certain plants to get certain characteristics? Horsetails, man, they're popping up like crazy right now. Take them, cut them, ferment them, and now you'll get
54:05 that silica. Silica is like glass. It creates this layer where it amplifies the amount of light coming in, but it also creates like glass shield over things and helps water transfer through. And, um, horsetail is great. So everyone that knows about that horsetail, like if I was up in the Pacific Northwest or places where horsetail grew anywhere, horsetail grows, I would do, I would use it. Here I am. A horsetail doesn't grow here. Um, doesn't like the tropics for some reason. I don't know, but it's amazing. I would use that. Um, also, um, yeah. And, um, yeah. So you guys
54:47 are already tuned into this. All right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Good. Good. Good. All right. I'm just scrolling through here. Yeah. Take care of that powdery mildew. I mean, you see, it's not just me. Everybody in the chat too is talking about how these different solutions work. Are red cedar berries toxic? I sipped my ferment and smiled the biggest, cheesiest smile. Use caution if you think something's toxic, treat it as if it is.
55:34 Oftentimes, however, fermentation will break down those toxic compounds. And if you're into oxalates and those types of things, fermentation breaks down oxalates as well. So I can take taro leaves, which if you ate those just plain, it would cause your throat to swell up from oxalate poisoning. But if I ferment the leaves, then I can drink the juice and it breaks down all those oxalates. So oftentimes fermentation will break down compounds. but I can't promise it. And, um, and, um, good, you're good. You're in Matej is asking,
56:19 can LAB be used on black mold in a house as well? Um, I just used it in my house to clean a bunch of mold off the roof. And I put LAB plus vinegar, plus a little bit of, um, simple green, which is like a pine saw extract and, um, put that in there and wiped it on the roof and it keeps it away for about a year until, but I have, I can't get a hundred percent of it out cause it's behind the purlins. And anyway, so it said we'll grow back against, um, um, do I know when the next version of the recipe book will be available? Man, I was just talking to Mao about that. I am, um,
56:57 I've been working on that and trying to find enough time to balance it between everything I'm doing, but been working on it. So, and especially with you to coordinate for some video stuff that we've been working on would be good. So it is a work in progress. I don't have a timeline for it exactly. I should probably set a deadline to say launch one in July for sure. It'd give me about 15 days to really find some time to do that. yeah okay yeah you guys are good on this cool dandelions are also a really good ferment and then like I was saying last week it was just
57:46 in the pacific northwest and made a ferment from this spreading bamboo that was popping up in the yard. We just cut all those shoots. So anything that's like a weed, real vigorous growing early in the spring, that's a great choice to use. And horsetail is amazing for the kidneys. Sounds like I should drink more of that. My kidneys are kind of not in the best shape right now. So, but hey, realized dandelions, I recycle dandelions through goats and get milk to make LAD and cheese and way. Yes, the animal agriculture for the win. It really is such a great food. Dandelion's great.
58:28 Love it. Cool, cool. Coming up behind the bitter lettuce, I have arugula, capsicum, peppers, anthocyanin, yeah, and mint FPJ this week. Those are awesome, good things. Um, yeah, dandelions have phosphorus. That's cool. All these things, they aggregate all kinds of things. That's why if you just make a plant juice from pretty much anything, you're going to get like everything has the NPK in it. It also has calcium. It also has everything necessary, all the trace nutrients to make life happen. Now, if you can get it from the plant and spray it back on the same plant, say I'm
59:13 growing tomatoes, pull all the suckers, ferment those, spray it back on my tomato. It's going to have the exact balance that tomato needed. if I'm going to spray a dandelion on a tomato, it's going to have what it needs, but it's going to be a little bit out of balance for what it needs, but it'll correct itself. Just like, um, you know, me eating food, uh, you know, like eat, eat good food and, you know, your body does these things and, and, um, and dandelions detox the body. All these things are great. Um, yeah. Um, dandelions has a lot of calcium too, right? Yep. It mines like Humphrey
59:52 as I understand. Yep. I, you know, I don't, I don't know specifically on these, but you know, I'm sure the internet will tell you if you look it up, you know, use, use just duck, duck, go it, man. Right. Oh, I can't say that other word though. They'll ban me even though I am using Google's platform right now. Hey, whatever. YouTube is great. But yeah, I'm glad you guys are making these things, getting these things out of, it's so great to hear. Yeah. And so fish it off. You may need to add more sugar to super saturate. Make sure you did
1:00:37 supersaturate. If it's fizzing, it leads me to believe the biology is still active in there. So just make sure you've added enough sugar to supersaturate. And that's good. Yeah, so cool. Yeah, so great. Great, you guys reaching about 10 o'clock here. Just wanted to get one last share in here of something I was talking about the other day of that, you know, I know right now you know inflation and all this food shortage and all this stuff's on people's minds but i just wanted to like look at this in june 10th 2020 i was talking about micro rna
1:01:18 excuse me this thing's scrolled here let me scroll back but micro rna and biology biology and the operating systems and widgets and all these things talking about hyperinflation back on april 17th talking about the famine back on april 10th and then prior to that talking about and the economic impacts on hyperinflation and exponential on March 27th. So that's right after this stuff came out, starting these things. So I encourage you, go check out the Microbial Secret Society, microbialsecret.over. Check out some of these things. Tell me if I was right in the comments below.
1:01:56 And, you know, have a great week. enjoy um and be a good human being to all those around you um thanks thanks for tuning in um love you guys uh see you next week thanks also to the pure knf foundation uh sponsoring these and thanks to um cheryl um sweeter than anything and um shaman king for kicking down on the super chats also if you're watching this later and you want to help sponsor the show there's a little thanks right there i believe it will be um and you can always do that and um but yeah i just you know
1:02:39 other than that be a good human being microbes are my friends they should be yours as well and if they're not get more lab in your life and you will find um the best so just um yeah thank you. Thank you for being here. And, um, all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go, uh, go back to the farm and get some things done. And, uh, all right. Aloha.