New KNF Vocabulary, Seawater Ratios, Sandy Soil Fixes
Drake covers plain fixes first. For sandy soil, add organic matter, IMOs, and biochar, then keep the maintenance solution going. A banana SCOBY can kickstart kombucha vinegar in about two months. For a quarter-acre food forest, use about six to six and a half gallons of solution as a foliar spray, or twenty-five gallons for a soil drench.
He pushes plain words over acronyms. Skip FPJ and FFJ. Call things food, cleanser, medicine, structure, protectors, fuel, and minerals instead. Clay and ceramic vessels work better than plastic for fermenting, since air moves through them. If fuel separates and floats oil on top, the fish was probably too fatty. Let it ferment three to six months to break down into amino acids.
For microbe collection in Hawaiʻi's wet season, cover the site with a tarp and keep collecting anyway. The Disgustingly Cheap Microbes recipe works too: water, microbes, dirt, food, and minerals in a bucket until it bubbles. For seawater, aim for about one gram of salt per liter of water, close to natural seawater's three percent salinity diluted down. Store it in five-gallon buckets out of direct sun.
Other notes: keep IMOs out of worm beds, they dry the worms out. Feed KNF protectors to pigs, cows, goats, sheep, dogs, and cats anytime, but go easy with chickens since it can drop their egg-laying rate. Ground corn alone is too dense for IMO3, blend it with wood chips. Dried kiawe beans work if moistened to about sixty percent and blended the same way. Drake closes with the old chessboard grain story, a reminder that oil use and microbe spread both grow exponentially.
Questions answered
- 7:22 How do I deal with very sandy soil? — Add lots of organic matter and IMOs, plus biochar, then build with maintenance solution.
- 8:08 Can I kickstart vinegar with a kombucha SCOBY? — Yes, the SCOBY just kickstarts the bacteria and yeast colony; it finishes in about two months depending on temperature.
- 17:21 How much solution should I use on a 100x100 ft food forest? — That's about a quarter acre, roughly 6 to 6.5 gallons for a foliar spray or about 25 gallons for a soil drench.
- 20:33 My fermenting lab is starting to smell like alcohol, is that bad? — The gases on top can smell like alcohol or acetone even when the liquid below is fine; just super-saturate it again.
- 26:32 Can I use a ceramic crock-pot liner as a fermentation vessel? — Yes, clay and ceramic vessels breathe and are actually preferred in Korea over plastic or glass.
- 37:09 Can KNF be used on cannabis? — Yes, check Royal Flush Farms and the Microbial Secret Society podcast, where growers detail using KNF and IPM on cannabis.
- 41:44 When do I use KNF protectors on my crop? — Anytime the plant needs protection, like powdery mildew or heavy leaf growth; drop the term LAB and think protectors.
- 44:48 My KNF fuel won't mix into water and separates with oil on top, why? — You probably used a fatty fish; use liquid from below, or let it ferment 3 to 6 months so the fat breaks down.
- 48:11 Any tips for IMO collection during the hot, rainy season? — Cover the collection site with a 10x10 tarp and keep collecting anyway, since the microbes tune into that wet season.
- 52:05 I have sea salt and water, what ratio makes a seawater substitute? — Real seawater is about 3% salinity; aim for roughly 1 gram of salt per liter of water to land near 1%.
- 53:56 How do I store seawater at home long term? — Five-gallon buckets out of direct sunlight work well; it may even get sweeter with time.
- 54:26 Can I mix IMOs into my worm farm's bedding? — Not a good match, the IMOs dry the worm bed out too fast, so be careful.
- 55:32 How often can I feed KNF protectors to my animals? — Pigs, cows, goats, sheep, dogs, and cats can have it anytime, but go easy on chickens since too much can lower egg-laying rate.
- 56:45 Does ground corn make a good substrate for culturing IMO3? — Not by itself, it gets too dense and gelatinizes, so blend it with wood chips or another bulking material.
- 59:15 Can dried, powdered kiawe beans work as an IMO3 substrate? — Yes, blend with a bit of wood chips and moisten dried beans to about 60% moisture to keep the culture fungal, not bacterial.
KNF Office Hours is a free live Q&A every Sunday at 9 AM HST. Bring your question to pureknf.org/learn/questions or join live.
In this episode
- 0:00 Intro and welcome
- 1:14 I Ching reading: K'un, the Receptive
- 6:14 Recipe books in stock (black & white copies)
- 7:22 Fixing sandy soil
- 8:08 Vinegar with a kombucha SCOBY
- 10:51 Julia's pond-to-garden hose setup
- 17:21 Solution rates for a food forest
- 20:33 Alcohol smell in the fermenting lab
- 21:39 Supersaturation video and certification course
- 24:34 Accelerating compost and cover crops with IMO
- 26:32 Ceramic vessels for fermentation
- 30:13 Visit Hawaiʻi, learn KNF, stay at Ocean Nests
- 37:09 KNF on cannabis; Microbial Secret Society
- 41:44 Dropping acronyms: the KNF protectors vocabulary
- 44:48 Fixing oily, separated KNF fuel
- 48:11 IMO collection in hot, rainy season
- 52:05 Seawater recipe and home storage
- 54:26 IMO cautions: worm beds and protector feeding schedule
- 56:45 IMO3 substrates: corn, kiawe beans, vinegar from leftovers
- 1:00:42 Exponential growth and spreading natural farming
Transcript
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0:30 hey aloha and welcome to the office hours for july 3rd made it made it through another month and happy to be here with you today get into korean natural farming and all all the good things growing a lot of people around um doing this and sharing it with me and seeing it happen and uh that's that's great that's a really good thing so um today i wanted to get in always you
1:15 know start with a bit of the iaching i got this book here this is my my old copies you know wrinkled it is and carry this thing with me everywhere but um today's hexagram is uh kun the receptive which is earth over earth it's one of those primary uh fundamental hexagrams and this one says bear with things as the earth bears with us by yielding by accepting by nourishing So, kun, the receptive, is the complement to qin, the creative, the dark which is illuminated by the light.
2:03 The earth which receives the blessings of heaven, the vessel into which nourishment flows. This is a time to follow rather than lead, to assist rather than initiate, to listen rather than talk. Redevote yourself to the cultivation of modesty, receptivity, and gentleness now, and let go of the concerns about the conduct of others or the progress of your worldly ambitions. The wisdom of cultivating receptivity cannot be overstated. receptivity is the rich earth without which the creative cannot take root in our lives
2:54 the fundamental this fundamental hexagram serves as a strong encouragement to you to concentrate on your capacities to nourish to support to accept to work without desiring recognition to follow the guidance of the sage. You can benefit greatly in a period like this from time spent in solitude. In quietness, we have the opportunity to focus on the purification of our hearts and minds. It is a good time to ask oneself, am I sincerely pursuing good for its own sake?
3:41 or do I have a hidden agenda? If so, detach from it and return to the path of independence and balance. Through humility and openness we become receptive to the assistance of the higher power. oh well um so so just today i let you know i switched it up the youtube here instead of like ultra low latency that i was running on before i put it to normal latency because i was looking at it and apparently it gives like higher quality video as well as getting um live captions so
4:30 for those of you out in the world that English is not your primary language, you know, this thing will do real-time captions for you, which is nice. So hopefully that's helping out, but it may lag on the chat a little bit. So, you know, I want to listen today, accept, nourish. Um, got some great videos to share from, um, Julia sent some in this week and, um, it was really nice to share. Um, also got another email from, um, some folks. Um, where is he? Um, not sure exactly where he's at, but, um, got some, got some questions that came into the email.
5:15 So if you do want to email questions in, um, Drake, D-R-A-K-E at pure, P-U-R-E-K-N-F dot O-R-G. So Drake at pureknf.org. Um, you can reach out to me there. That's my foundation email. And speaking of the foundation, Pure K&F Foundation, thank you for making this office hour possible and all you out there that help as well. you know brought to a viewer by like you right couldn't can't do this alone can't do it without the nourishment i'm here i'm receptive bringing it in giving it you know giving it up and speaking
5:59 of other receptivity and that kind of stuff just before i dive into any questions i want to just do a little screen share here and transition this over and here on the screen share the recipe book here on naturalfarminghawaii.net or also available here on KNF support right here click on this takes you to the recipe book and there are two hard copies in stock right now the black and whites. I've been selling those things. It's nice to send them out. So if you're in America right now, you can get them and still got to print more and get them to Europe. I know I've been saying
6:47 that for a couple of weeks now. So it goes. And this. Okay. So let me quit this other thing here and get back to the um let's see get back to this transition over here okay so um so anyway books books are in stock at knfsupport.com which is where the office hours are listed also at naturalfarminghawaii.net which is my site and um so just answering this quick question here from Mauricio Lizaraga. Lizaraga. That's a sweet name. You have very sandy soil. What do I recommend?
7:34 I recommend that you add a lot of organic matter into it. The IMOs. Also reach out to Eyewitness. He's in Florida. Also super sandy soil. Very limey stuff. And it's about getting enough organic matter in there biochar really helps with sandy soils and of course getting the IMOs and just starting to you know put the IMOs and then maintenance solution and just build the soil from there it'll start to grow um and then um yeah so and then uh hope hope eco management is asking about um making vinegar with a scoby and put a banana um scoby in there to kick start it
8:20 I hope it'll finish in two months. Sometimes it's quicker, depends on kind of temperature and everything. The best vinegar is made at a constant temperature for eating. And then otherwise for, you know, an increased fermentation would be a higher temperature. So, yeah. And so, yeah, and sweeter than anything saying if you put a, you know, SCOBY kombucha happens faster and all these things. The SCOBY is just a kickstart to get that symbiotic colony of bacteria and yeast. scoby growing um so yeah so anyway uh i did before i get into all this oh man i don't know
9:00 if i fixed the volume issue let me see here and see if i can do this real quick here which is um hey i want to mute that and b uh screen share i want to add oh you know what I didn't even install you know because I switched over I got a I got a the foundation we got a new computer for the foundation and I never added in sound flower to get the volume to switch around and but I can fire up loopback real quick and get this to come back so that...
9:46 Hang on one sec. But let's see. Get this going here. And take Google Chrome. And run that through. Oh, man. Let's see here. I shouldn't do this in real time like this. Let's see if I can monitor it back. Zoom audio device. We will see if this works and then set this up with an audio input.
10:32 And say that that guy is coming from the Zoom audio device like that. and I want to transition this over and see if this is gonna go for you guys here but Julia just sent this one in of let's see here it is I don't think the volume is going to work.
11:39 I just think this is so cool. She's spraying from the pond and able to use this little pump sprayer. And looking at all the things she has growing out there, it's just like, it's pretty amazing. That's a nice button. So cool to see, just like, able to easily put these solutions out. And that's what I'm talking about, you know, make it easy like this. Hit it so it's like, you know...
12:26 They're pretty weird, but you know what? It's just like a witness of what you're doing, what you're up to, and getting out there, and I appreciate you putting it out and just sharing with people. This is the kind of stuff that's inspirational. I mean, look how healthy that amaranth kind of thing. Like look how happy these tomatoes look at them. This kind of stuff would inspire stuff. I mean look at that you already got tomatoes in it. It was just winter up there like five minutes ago. I think the hose was leaking there or something.
13:30 Just making it easy like this, you're doing it right. these plants thriving. Look at those... I mean I love how wild your garden is too. Some people try to kill everything and make it all real, you know, sterile and stuff and it's just like the natural beauty you have here, the natural
14:22 just life. You know, this is... ah, the camera fell over, that's hilarious. It's so fun, it's like when you film a YouTube it always takes twice as long to get whatever you're trying to do done. You know circular gardens? This looks so fertile where you're at. I can see that dark soil. They must just love the microbes. All those greens, like, oh my gosh, parrots, all this, like, yeah. Yeah. Oh, so beautiful.
15:09 Dude, you're kind of inspiring me. I gotta... Yeah, long live the natural farmer. So, that kind of stuff, just inspiring me, you know. getting out there, getting these things to go. I don't know. I kind of like the technique of the video. It's like ASMR kind of thing where you just get this experience with it versus like any kind of tutorial or any trying to, you know, teach folks anything. It's more of like this, like, what do you call like, like just an experience type of thing. And to me, that's,
15:56 that's pretty darn inspiring. And yeah, so let's see, this thing still seems like it's causing feedback. Is it echoing for you guys? I mean, let me know. I know it's going to be a little, little while. Yeah. So, and also, yeah, that's the kind of funny thing about it is like, anytime you go and film something and be like oh yeah I'm gonna film it today takes you twice as long to get what you're done doing done and um yeah so um we got uh so it's not echoing for you guys hopefully it's not I'm not sure um I just quit this other app and
16:38 anyway kind of messing around with the computer trying to get it yeah and all this support coming in i mean isn't it nice you share you feel you know get supported from folks around the world other people are doing this it's like we're really making it happen this is this is the beauty of knf and the beauty of all of us so okay cool so it's just echoing for me that's totally fine who who uh you know i can i can tolerate that um so i did i got a question here that i wanted to jump into um and my um my buddy jim sent me this um and um you know he's asking he has a uh food forest
17:24 basically so um you know he's and he's rotating through a combination of fermented plant extracts that we made with em1 and then a new following the recipe of knf food to make it um and in both foliar and soil applications so he's saying he's confused about the quantity for our food forest and he says he's transformed his suburban yard into a food forest over the last seven years which is like sweet um and it's approximately 100 by 100 i don't know if that's meters or feet. But anyway, that's, you know, 100 by 100. That's fairly large. If it's meters,
18:09 it's even bigger, of course. But and so he's asking, I have found a recommendation for how many gallons of a finished solution. So I'm pretty sure 100 by 100 is about a quarter acre. so the recommended application rate is about 25 gallons per acre and so if you divide that by four that is about six six and a half gallons you know give or take right around there of if you can put that out and as a foliar and that's just if you're soaking everything
18:56 So about six gallons or so. And if you were to do a drench, you just 20 about 25 gallons. The application rates about four times more. So. So, yeah, so if you're doing a hundred by hundred gallon or hundred by hundred foot thing, it's about a quarter acre. I reckon it's about give or take quarter acre um so yeah and then he's saying honestly the acronyms are confusing um and um so I think um you know he was asking the difference between FPJ and FFJ and the acronyms and just calling it KNF food and getting away from the uh
19:42 the um the acronyms because if you understand it's food then you understand what it's for you understand it's from this part of the time and you you get to it so um before we get into a little bit more of his email let's see um we've got a question here um so robert's saying that he was trying to do a silent video walkthrough of his garden the other day and it was tougher than he thought. Yeah, man, you know, big ups to PostUp Media and Joel down in Panama and his skills. He's dropping just epic videos. And it's kind of fun, though,
20:25 to get out and share these things and to show them and, you know, share with each other this way does take a bit longer. And Fabrizio is saying that my lab started to smell like alcohol. it may be the gases on top that smell like alcohol you should check um below that if you're storing it anaerobically sometimes the top can smell like alcohol or even like um the nail polish remover acetone can smell like that but that's just the gases the liquid itself is usually pretty good on there. Um, so, um, yeah. Um, so yeah, it's normal if the alcohol gets in there, right?
21:14 Sweeter than anything saying that. Um, but yeah, just make sure you super saturate it again. If you, if you don't have a classic video here, always I show this video, it's on my channel here, if you're curious what I mean by super saturation here on this video, go to my channel, which you know we click right right down below pure knf dr drake there and then super saturation this video right here shows how to do the super saturation and what you're looking for
22:00 as i'm adding sugar into here is that the sugar starts to float up above so as i'm adding it in you see the sugar starting to float up there and it's interesting I should probably recut this video and then at the very end you're looking for this after you stirred it in really well you're looking for this slight sugar ring here at the bottom and that's how you know it's been super saturated so again if you're confused how to get to there just click this link right here and if you haven't subscribed you should I mean not that I want to promote the channel or anything but
22:40 today I'm in receiving mode so so yeah this this video there so again you know checking out the channel a lot of people ask you know sugar or molasses microbial theory the office hours are here all these solutions you know certification course this is a real popular one if I look at this it's like Like something like, what is it? 41,000 views on this. And this is like a two and a half hour long video. And this whole series, a bunch of people have learned from this and continue to learn. So appreciate it coming through.
23:30 So let me see. Go back to this one here. and um yeah so anyway those those things are out there going figuring it out um and um let's see any tips uh oh no mr oizo's here oh he's hanging out yeah no he's hanging out with me he's he's chilling he's he's always he's always here he's gonna sit on the keyboard a little bit and just make sure no one does anything too nuts um
24:17 but um yeah growing creeping time in your path that's awesome growing some sort of cover crop um and let's see this is a kind of funny comment here from stone mason he's saying that his imos ate five inches of straw in two weeks and that's the beauty of them that you know you can accelerate these composts you can break them down that straw is supporting this microbiome i bet you the soil that was left behind from that decomposition is just top shelf you know and that's that's like that's the whole key for all of this it's really to to break these things down um
25:04 so um any tips on incorporating IMO while spreading fall cover crop seeds using a cone spreader to broadcast several pounds of seed over 10 acres giant seed soap liquid IMO spray separately thanks um you know putting putting down the IMO before you're gonna seed like a couple days before or a week before and really watering it in is a good idea and then when you do put the seed if you can um I mean if you're gonna um incorporate it in anyway maybe uh you know just make sure you come with a maintenance solution after that
25:48 to get it to really like activate the ground and to pull those seeds in and to really sprout and flourish um so over you know spreading over 10 acres it's just kind of go for it and throw throw those things out there but i recommend imos before doing your um before doing your seeds not at the same time so put them out there prior um yeah so yeah stop fighting weeds and everything why fight when you can cooperate and love and love the garden so um do i think it's possible to use a ceramic liner of a crock pot for a fermentation vessel
26:38 absolutely um in korea the um you know clay vessels are what they recommend master cho once slapped me or punched me in the chest pretty hard for fermenting in um in plastic you know food grade plastic because i was mixing my chicken food and he punched me he's like you don't do this but but you know that's what i have and i use glass for small small containers but bigger containers I use plastic so but if you have clay and you have a ceramic vessel even better it's breathable the reason for ceramic is the air goes through and it's even better than than these other materials so um so yeah um
27:25 yeah so i think linking up with his korean friend's mom to make mongolia and i was thinking about using ceramic instead of grass glass please do it makes sense um yeah um yeah so growing these good plants yeah thanks and you guys are all on that yeah and you saw that slap yeah he's he's hit me a whole bunch actually master cho you know the classic way of learning and in in america you know it's like you hit someone or you know it's like oh gosh but back back in the day when you're learning asian culture it's like you know listen and you
28:08 just you just get hit you know it's like oh it wakes you up and you actually pay attention and you stop questioning the master. American culture, you know, Western culture, it's like someone says something, you're like, uh-uh, I'm going to look that up. I don't think you're right. You know, there's not the same level of respect that there is in Asian culture of like acceptance and knowing. And I think there's a balance between the two of like, take what, you know, you've been given, do it, and then later experiment and research and find things. But to immediately think you know
28:42 better, it's a very challenging thing to do. So I'm going to get back to this other email here from Jim here, and he's saying that he's been doing a bunch of research on his food. He's had some medical issues, and so his kids do as well. And so it's just like, it's so important to get good food, good nutrient-rich food to repair your body, repair your spirit, you know, repair your soil. You know, we're just a reflection of what our soil is doing, right? If we have sick soil, how can we expect to have healthy animals,
29:21 healthy humans living on a toxic land? So the microbes, you know, the more you can get the microbes in the soil, the more you can get this to happen, the more you can actually level up and get, you know, life back into us. So it all starts with the soil, making quick, disgustingly cheap microbes is a way. And that's why it was echoing on me, this loopback thing. Anyway, I'm only running the sample, I gotta actually buy the thing, it keeps staticking me out. So here, Um, you know, he's talking about getting his life back and, and really trying to empower
30:08 himself on these small solutions. And, um, you know, he wants to come out to Hawaii and take a course here. Um, and I also recommend, you know, just tuning in on a, on a weekly basis to this. If you do want to come out to Hawaii, you know, anytime, um, you know, I just had Khan come out, uh, the other day, she just booked a stay at my Airbnb. so if you're looking you know it's three rivers farm uh in the ocean nest that's what uh suzanne is calling our place and that's how you can look it up um and it's on airbnb in fact i mean i could
30:44 i could pull it up here right now and just see you know um airbnb and um let me see here anywhere I don't want to actually search. Let's see, how do you search on Airbnb? There we go. Search where my region. I'm flexible, I guess. I'm going to search for Hilo, Hilo Hawaii, and I'm going to check in, I don't know, sometime in August. Make sure it stays at least three days and search and I don't know if it lets you but basically let me switch this over here of looking here that our farm is right out here and there you go there I think this is us right
31:35 here this 108 at West Sea you can stay in the Jasmine Ocean Nest at Three River Farms and look look how nice this cottage is I'm just going to look at this this is the place that you can stay right here look at these rainbows but you can just book this right here and stay out and if you want to if you want to um do some natural farming with me you know um more than you know i also with you know like a little bit of compensation to be here but but um you know here it is like look at these sweet cottages we have look you you could be staying here in this bed look at that you know
32:11 and while you're learning KNF and, you know, we, we clean this thing for you, make it super nice. It looks like there's a towel left under there, but I don't know why in the photos, but look how nice this place is. And you can stay right here on this hammock and look at this view with the bananas and the coconuts and the flowers. And, you know, look at this, like, this is my kitchen and, you know, we cook food in here and there's fast wifi. And, you know, so if you want to come out here and you got your own little kitchen, your own little mini fridge, all this stuff,
32:42 you know, three ribs farm. You want to come out, you want to stay. We got a couple of these things. We rent out these back ones here where folks can stay, you know. But look at this. I mean, these sunrises, we're on the east side of Hawaii, you know, talking about getting in, receiving, you know, treat yourself. Look at our little farm. And then this is my house and this whole field, this was taken a while ago this is now completely planted out all with bananas in this food forest and we've been growing like crazy over here is my barn up on this side a bunch more bananas over
33:16 here this orchard we've been taking care of it's pretty darn fruitful and um yeah i mean you can you can come and be here and um you know get into it so if you do look it up um here it is you know jasmine ocean nest they're all called ocean nest at three rivers farm right in helo we're super hosts 4.89 out of you know stars you know it's um you know we're pretty good and me and suz we run this thing and suzanne is a super host you know and you get all this stuff wi-fi patio you know we don't have carbon monoxide alarms it's called you know don't don't don't burn propane in the
33:58 house but um you know it is availability right now you know look at this these dates are open look at these people they're like love staying here beautiful such a beautiful air very green and quiet it's comfortable you know amazing sunrise lovely views i love staying here you know is you know susanna's place is very secluded from hilo yet close enough to get what you need the place is clean and has all you need for a couple days beautiful views you know clean comfy beautiful thank you for the stay everything was great so
34:34 you know if you do want to come out you do want to check it out you do want to be out here you know hey um it helps us it keeps my family running um see the farm do all that stuff we do it you know um yeah surf at sunrise and be charged to learn knf for the rest of the day what a dream right? Yeah, what a dream and come out, you know, visit us. Not that I'm trying to make a whole bunch of sales, but it does help when cool folks come, you know, we get people from all over and all kinds of people. There's some folks staying here from Italy right now. He's a therapist,
35:10 you know, and it helps, you know, like, you know, they're not that into the farming. They actually have no idea where they are. They just think it's a beautiful place where they can stay and stay, They have no idea they're staying at the KNF headquarters of, I don't know, America or whatever, definitely of Hawaii, of the anchor point here. This is like the Mecca, right? Master Cho has stayed, well, he's walked in this building, but Young Sang Cho stayed right in this building, right where I'm sitting right now. Rei, Sona, his wife, Young Sang Cho, and Sun Young,
35:45 his daughter all stayed right in this building right here. I used to have bunk beds in here. Now we converted it to an office and got a bunch of books and all kinds of good stuff and ham radio and all kinds of, you know, lazy boy over there. Picture of Master Cho. Who's seen this picture of Master Cho right up? Oh, shoot. I'm smeared, but why can't I do it? Right there, right? The picture of Master Cho up there, you know, like this is a, this is like a temple, so to say, dedicated to him. Although, you know, I don't take it religiously like that. I take it
36:16 as just a sacred place of being, you know, what, what it is. So, um, so yeah, you know, learn, grow, surf. Yeah. The guys from Italy today, I saw surfboards in the back of their car. They're going out there to go surf. Personally, I wouldn't go surf today. It's kind of nasty out. Like if I, it's, uh, it's raining and when it rains, the rivers get kind of gross and, uh, You know, but, but on another day I'd go out surfing and have fun and, um, you know, get out there and, um, we're doing all kinds of stuff. Um, yeah.
36:50 So, um, so here I'll go back up to these questions, you know, um, let's see here. Seed, seed soak will help. Yeah. And thanks to the goof man. He is amazing. He's been working on KNF support and just throwing down answers there. And somebody's asking, can LAB be used for flowers that you can't mention on YouTube? Of course, and you can use it all the time. If you're curious about that, you really should check out this Microbial Secret Society episode at microbialsecret.org and right here. and then search on here for episodes here and it's looking at spencer you know cannabis with
37:38 ipm and knf and these guys really talk about this of just you know what they're doing with the um you know um like it is it is amazing they've solved all their problems i just spencer was just the officiant at our wedding and just love these guys yarrow and earl both came out peace and love to Royal Flesh Farms and you guys doing their great work. Um, but you know, I always recommend, you know, go to the masters, go to the people that are doing it legally going to the people that are doing it right. And these guys are, so, you know, if you're curious about
38:14 that, the microbial secret society doing these, um, you know, and, uh, talked about a lot about these things so um yeah that's there um and yeah and and mark mark's in the chat what's up mark how's it brother and um it's always a good day to surf yeah and to serve right yeah so i really appreciate you know mark's been here he's seen it um you know chicken wall's doing great expansion of the farm we were just reflecting the other day about you know how how well we were taking off right before 2020 and then all that hit and, um, you know, surviving through cancel culture in 2018,
38:59 I'm a cancel culture survivor, baby. People tried to bring me down, said all kinds of lies on the internet and I survived that stuff, you know? And so getting back to my empowerment, feeling this love here, this community, um, taking, taking back charge of, you know, I run, I run one of the largest K&F communities on earth. It's 31,000 members on Facebook. And, you know, I don't, I don't really participate in it that much because a lot of the questions are always the same questions. And I always try to tell people, go to, you know, knfsupport.com and ask the
39:34 question once, have it answered and find it again and vote the right answer up, right? Why always ask the same question over and over and over again on Facebook. And it's like, you know and plus why share your private data with a with a company that's unscrupulous like facebook it's like either data mining you there's you know it's terrible what what social media is doing to us um so get off those platforms get onto uh you know small business private networks sponsored by foundations like the pure knf foundation which is a reputable um you know
40:09 foundation with integrity and get off those other things so um so in halzberg harlsberg harlsberg yeah harlsberg is asking do you guys have noni trees near the water um there is noni trees by the water do i have them no they just they just grow down there you go down to puna go down to the red road and they're loaded with noni um you know oftentimes when i go to wild harvest that's where I go um because it doesn't noni does grow around here and in fact I should plant some noni on my land as well as some amaki and these other things but um you know
40:49 um yeah so I just I just you know I don't uh but yeah and my maki's or excuse me noni's great down by the ocean it's even more mineral rich and better um yeah hey mark welcome welcome late to the party and today i got it on normal latency so i think it's about 15 to 30 seconds behind on these things that i'm seeing on the chat so but there is live translation so um i was looking forward to that i don't i don't know if you tell me if you guys like it with um normal latency or low latency or ultra low latency because with my internet I can do either. I just, I lose the live
41:33 translation or I also lose, you know, but I'm happy to do either. So low latency, we can communicate a little bit easier through the chat and these things. So Ezekiel is asking, at what stage do I give my flowers you can't mention on Facebook or on YouTube, KNF protectors? And the whole key is to forget that the thing is called LAB. You're going to be, you're going to drive yourself crazy thinking it's LAB because then you don't know how to use it. So erase that from your mind and start calling it KNF protectors. So when do I use protectors on my crop? It's almost an obvious
42:14 answer. Anytime they need protection, right? So anytime there's powdery mildew, anytime there's a lot of leaf growth and I need that extra protection to keep disease back. Anytime I, um, So anytime, anytime. I mean, but if you use too many protectors, they can take the food from the IMOs, the indigenous microorganisms, right? And so understanding this of if you change your vocabulary and you start calling it protectors, most of these questions will go away. You'll be like, when do I use protectors? Well, when you need protection, right? Your plant needs that.
42:51 It needs that extra boost. It needs those extra helpers. They're really like the guys that go in and help, right? So if you change your vocabulary and instead of going with these acronyms, which were terrible and translated across and the people that promulgate them are just like teaching gibberish. So move on to people that are telling you the truth where it's like protectors, right? It's obvious. When do I use protectors? Well, when my plant needs protection, right? So again, I just encourage you to move beyond the acronyms, get out of that old, outdated,
43:21 archaic vocabulary that was poorly translated and move into the new vocabulary or the correct vocabulary, which is food, cleanser, medicine, structure, reproduction, protectors, indigenous microbes, fuel, you know, all those things, they make common sense to us. And we don't have to be like, when do I use fuel? Well, when do you think you need to use fuel? When you're trying to get things started when you're trying to light a little fire, you know, adding a little bit of fuel all the time so it doesn't run out of fuel. When do I use food? Well, you know, anytime your
43:59 plant's hungry. When do I use structure? Well, when you need to grow more roots, that's the big structure. When your plant's limp and leaning over, when do I use cleanser? When you need to clean the leaves, when you need to add that protective layer on there of like building a wax layer to keep it clean, right? You wax the floor, this cleanser, this vocabulary, you start to use this KNF, Korean natural farming, got to get away from the acronyms, is obvious, right? So all these things, I really encourage you to learn the correct vocabulary,
44:31 to start calling these things correct, and to understand that the acronyms are confusing and outdated and, um, you know, really we need to move beyond it. Um, so yeah, so you guys, um, um, let's see here. Every time I try to mix fuel into my solution, it doesn't mix well at all and separates at the top oil and water go figure by the, any way to remedy or that, or just leave it like that um it's red eagle it sounds like you may have got used a really fatty fish where it's the oil um when i mix knf fuel and i'm doing it from um you know ahi um mahi mahi
45:17 um aku like sea fish and it it mixes in just fine so um i'm not sure exactly where your um where where your problem is with that it sounds like you're skimming it just off the top try to get some liquid that's down below or your batch may be really fresh let it ferment for a long like three months six months a year it'll start to break down into amino acids if it's still in the fatty fats where you got you know good omega-3s those are good but you want to get into where it's fermented down. Um, and another way, if it's really not breaking up and I really highly don't
45:56 recommend this, but put a little bit of IMO in there and it'll break those oils up and it'll eat them and digest them. And then you'll have a product that's not as, as good, you know, as good because it, the IMO breaks it down in a way that's different than the lactose breaking it down. And, you know, understanding the science of it, it's, it's pretty, um, pretty complicated, but, but in essence it's simple right it's but it's just like cooking you you know certain people stir things and if you stir it too much it's no good you chop things versus stirring it's like
46:31 there's a whole like essence to this so um okay so yeah so so you guys are getting you guys are getting it on stonemasons giving ezekiel great advice here. Yeah. Yeah. And the goof man getting off social media, you know, getting into the, I mean, here we are on YouTube, right? Which is a form of social media, but it's a lot different in terms of, you know, this content coming to you video wise. It's like, it's just like what the television was, but used properly, right? Television is such a great tool, but we use it
47:12 improperly. And, um, so yeah, and some less of thin, great. You guys got good solutions in here. Um, and yeah, I, I'm glad to see you guys help each other in the chat here. Um, yeah. And the name does say when, when to use it, you know, and Jim, since you're here, man, we're going, we're going through your email. I'm going to get back to that a little bit. hey thanks for the super chat yay thank you sweeter than anything that's amazing it's it's people like you that give that enable me to receive that enable me to be nourished that
47:57 enable me to continue to do this so i really appreciate it sweeter than anything and everyone who's donated through naturalfarminghawaii.net slash donate. All these donations, they really make a big difference. So any tips for microbe IMO collection on a hot rainy season? I'm waiting for a couple dry days in a row, but it's tough. Meanwhile, my April batch is starting to go low. um so any tips for collection in hot rainy season is to maybe put like a 10 foot by 10 foot tarp over your area you're collecting so that you can keep the rain away and keep it from coming
48:42 underneath and saturating in um here in hawaii it rains all the time like i'm like we get over 200 inches of rain where I live right here on the east side of Hawaii. And so I collect all the time. Sometimes when it's real rainy, when it's just like, um, like socked in raining for like 40 days, when it gets real nasty, I don't collect during that time, but collecting, you know, I do classes in January, February, and that's the rainy season. And we go out and we just collect it. And the key is to keep, you know, like put a, put a piece of tin or tarp or something over it so that water's
49:23 not going to drip on it and it's not going to come up from the bottom. Um, but my tip is just to, just to go out and you don't have to wait for a couple of rainy days in a row or dry days in a row because if that's the season, your microbes that are growing during that time are going to be tuned into that wet season. So I'd say just, just go for it. Just get out, you know, try to put a roof as best as you can, but just collect. And or the other thing I was telling the Mamaki farmers is just go with the disgustingly cheap recipe. So instead of trying to make, you know,
49:58 IMOs and, you know, using them all the time, just go with the disgustingly cheap microorganisms, which is, which are in the book here. And I want to pull it up here. And where's the latest the dish in. It's somewhere here. Oh man, I need to like put this someplace where I can find it easy. It gotta be here too. Here it is. Is this it? No. Yeah, this is it. So here, you know, if you're looking for the microbes and you're wondering, you know going down here to where it's just this disgustingly cheap method so water microbes
50:51 microbial dirt food and minerals adding these things into a bucket and letting it go until it bubbles and using it in this sector when it's most bubbles it's just quick simple easy dirty great during your wet season to do so you know looking at the book here of just like all the recipes, understanding when to use them, when to get out there. And again, I just, you know, when you're looking at the, um, the nine core solutions and looking at the wording for it, um, here are, they are, you know, in all these solutions here, when we look at them,
51:31 you know, like microbes, protectors, food, cleanser, medicine, structure, fuel, reproduction, and minerals. All these things make sense in a simple way where you don't have to think too much. It's like almost intuitive of how to use these solutions. So just again, want to encourage you, drop the acronyms, come back to pure KNF and real natural farming here. so I picked up some sea salt hoping to mix with water and use it as a seawater substitute what are the mils per gallon so again if you got the book here and
52:16 you're able to go down to the seawater recipe which is down in the KNF minerals uh so we'll pull that up here transition back to this one and here it is your recipe seawater is naturally about three percent salinity so to make um to make um you know if you got seawater 0.3 salinity is dilute one to ten one percent which is about what you want you want to be between these two ranges is 1 to 30. And to make seawater, or make it from seawater to do these, it's just 3 grams per, or 1 gram per, right? 1 gram per liter. 1 milliliter per liter,
53:05 it's actually 1 gram per liter, right? To make this 1% salinity here. so understanding how those fit together and how they fit in there and I don't think this is actually the latest edition of the book although it says it is March 8th okay anyway but that's I thought I thought I fixed this one here but anyway so So those are the answers there. If you want to be between three grams per liter or, you know, per liter though, right? So if you're doing a gallon, it's times four and getting into those.
53:53 So and how can I preserve seawater at home for a prolonged period of time? um, storing it underground in like a cistern really works, but I just store it in five gallon buckets out of direct sunlight and it stores really well. I've heard it gets sweeter over time and gets, gets better over time. I'm not sure. I haven't been able to verify that in any scientific way. Um, and I love science. Um, so anyway, um, so here's another question from Jotkabi, A mixing seed IMO in a bed of worm castings is caking up fast. What you think?
54:38 IMOs and worm beds are not compatible. If you add the IMOs into the worms, it dries them out too fast, and it will mess up your worms. um lactobacillus and worms great but the IMOs and the worms it's they're not really the best um so just be careful on that um it's you know a little bit here and there but it's not like um I also messed up my black soldier fly bin by adding a bunch of IMOs and now the black soldier flies won't grow the IMOs are just too powerful they break these things down and these other insects aren't needed when there's so much good microbes around. It's just, they go. So
55:27 Cesare is asking here, how many days a week can I provide KNF protectors to my animals? Again, I'm not going to say these acronyms. You guys, I'm encouraging you, don't write them down. Don't even talk about them. Forget about them. It's way easier to think about how often can I provide KNF protectors to my animals. Pigs, cows, all the time. Chickens, a little bit. Watch out. If their laying rate goes down, if you feed them too much of the KNF protectors, too much of that lactic acid bacteria gets in them, it will prevent, it'll drop their laying rate. So be careful on that.
56:10 But cows, all the time. Pigs, all the time. Goats, all the time. sheep all the time uh what other kind of um animals do you have dogs all the time cats all the time you know of course you don't want to feed it to them purely but um they'll eat it you know mix it into their food you do do be careful with the chickens it can lower their laying rate if you're feeding it all the time so um yeah so um so does ground corn make a good base food for im03 ronnie's asking this and um not particularly um ground corn um it would be good with another substrate but um it's really rich in nutrients
57:03 and things but you'd want to blend it with something else just ground corn by itself would probably be a little too dense and kind of gelatinase up. Gelatinize. But mixing it in with maybe a little bit of wood chips, some sort of thing to give it a little base there, might make a good IMO 3. So the fifth bardo is saying, I tried making vinegar from the leftovers from the fermented Japanese knotweed, but it got quite moldy, so I checked it out. I'll try again soon. And making vinegar from the leftovers can be challenging because it may not have enough
57:49 bricks and enough solution in there. So if you do check out the cleanser recipe that I have here, what I really recommend here is to take a finished IMO, or excuse me, of a can of food, and particularly from fruits, it works a little better here, and then to add two parts of water to it. So you fill it up two thirds full, one part of it is the food, two parts of it are the water, and then you put this breathable lid over, and that will make a really good vinegar. If you're trying to make it from the leftover material, it is possible, but you do got to make sure your bricks are high enough up
58:31 to get that together. So, um, just a word for the, you know, when you, when you mix in can of food, because you've super saturated it, your bricks, there's enough sugar in there to make it convert. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. So you guys are getting good on this. I love these answers. What's up, Chris? How's it on Lanayi? Yeah, love you guys over there. I heard you guys are doing some great stuff. Mana was on the call the other day when I was talking to him a little bit, and you know, hope you guys can get the fresh good stuff. And so Chris is asking, can I use the
59:17 dried chiave beans to make IMO? And I would say yes, because it's nice and sugary, and it's going of have something. Again, I would blend it with a little bit of something else, like not 100% just the dry caiave beans, but like almost grind that up. And then, you know, if they're dried, make sure to kind of add enough, you know, moisten it up to about 60% moisture content. And if they're fresh, you know, just kind of grinding them up a little bit and then adding maybe a tiny bit of wood chips into it and you'll get a really good blend because the caiave is so
59:53 rich and sweet has those sugars you do want to be careful of adding too sweet of a sugar thing to have the bacteria take off really the whole point of im03 is to make fungus like and that's what i was talking with khan the other day she was following the filipino recipes and they're basically growing out bacterias from from those teachings and it's like you're really trying to grow beneficial soil fungus so do be careful on that and make sure your your material is gonna support fungal growth. So, you know, like a compost type of thing.
1:00:31 And yeah, and so yeah, fifth bardo, making sure that stuff's submerged. Great, sweeter than anything. Great comment there. And getting to the 10 o'clock hour here, pretty much done. um i got you got one last thing i wanted to warn you guys about and that's um if you guys aren't familiar with exponential growth i just wanted to just get into it just slightly with you guys and talk about how just this one concept because exponential growth a lot of people get confused on this so if i just if you've ever heard of the classic problem where the guy who invented the
1:01:08 chess board he goes to the emperor and and you know he invites him there because he loved chess so much. He's like, this is such a great game. What gift can I give you to make it worth your time for inventing this and giving it to me? And the guy was smart, right? He invented chess and he said, well, I'm a very humble man. I don't want much. So on the first board of the chess board, which there's 64 different squares, it's an eight by eight grid, which makes 64 squares. Just put one piece of grain and on the next square, double it and put two. And on the next
1:01:42 square, double that and put four. And the next square, double that and put eight. And the next square, double that and put 16. And so on until you get to the last square. And the emperor looks at him and he goes, wow, I thought you were going to ask for a lot. I would have given you a house. I would have given you a horse. I would have given you a part of my kingdom. I love chess so much. And so, but the joke is actually on the emperor. And he said, oh, go grab some bags of grain. but the joke is that the by the time you get to the 64th square you basically have an equation
1:02:16 that I believe I believe the math for this is 2 raised by the 64th power and that number is 1.8 uh e to the 19th power so that means there's 19 zeros after 1.8 or after that 1 so there's 18 zeros after 1.8 and i believe that this is more grain than has ever been grown in human history by the time you just go 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 um 512 right you keep by you know you're at 512 before you've even gotten off the first row and by the time you get to the end
1:03:05 you're at 1.8 to the e to the 19th power, right? And it's such a large number that I just want to warn you guys that that's just the doubling period. Like that's just doubling through exponential growth. And a lot of people get confused by this. And the reason I bring it up right now is like just at the end, since you made it this far, it's a little bit off topic from Korean natural farming, but it's somewhat on topic to Korean natural farming because as we have this fuel crisis and these food crises, our population is doubling about every 17 years or so,
1:03:38 and our resource consumption is doubling about every 17 years or so. And that has to do with about 3.5% growth rate. If it's a 7% growth rate, it doubles every 10 years. And so I know I'm throwing a lot of numbers out here, and I probably should have good visuals for this, but one thing I just want to warn you about is that when you get to this exponential problem and the guy, the guy was saying, Oh, just double it, just double it. And by the time you get to the 64th, it's more grain than has ever been grown in human history. And it can just, it is just so
1:04:15 exponential that they've never even grown that much rice in human history. So there's no way to bring that much rice to the guy. And so one, one of the things that I bring this up is that If you're in a doubling period, like let me, let me just draw this on this piece of paper here where I'm going to draw this little bucket here. And a lot of times the mistake is that people, when, when do you think about things? So if I'm going to draw this line here, and this is a bucket full of water and I filled it up halfway, we often think linearly. So if it
1:04:50 took an hour to fill this bucket up to there, we would think it would take an hour to fill the rest of this up from here to here. But what happens with exponential is when you're doubling, if I filled this up, the next doubling period, so say it took one hour to fill this, it's only going to take, and this was multiple times of doubling here, multiple times, like 25% was like the last previous period to this was 25%. The previous period to that was half of 25%. The previous period to that was this much. So in the last little bit of time,
1:05:25 it goes up, up, up, and up. And then the last time it goes to this whole thing. So where you're going really slow, all of a sudden it becomes very fast. And I just bring this up because it's like, it's, it's, um, exponential theory can sneak up on you and it can be very gnarly to take you out. And so when, when we see gas prices rising, we think they're going to go back down. We're actually at the consumption that we've consumed more than half of our resources, right? More than half the world's oil has been of known reserves, right? You could maybe say
1:05:57 there's more reserves that we don't know about, but known reserves, we consume more than half of it. So it's not like, and we took us a hundred years to do that. It's not like we have a hundred more years to go through the last half. We have one doubling period to go through the last half. And so the amount of rapidity of an exponential curve going slow, slow, slow, super fast, super fast. And the acceleration of it, how it just takes off is really gnarly. So this is what you got to understand is, and Chris is saying to cover 210 billion tons of rice and it would cover India
1:06:37 under one meter of rice. That's how much rice the guy asked for just by doubling on a chessboard, right that's only 64 doublings um so so as as this takes off like as we're in our last you know we only have one more doubling period of oil if we've already used half our oil doesn't mean we have twice as much time it means we have one doubling period left which is like 17 years right we're doubling our oil consumption and use every 17 years so if there's 50 less one last doubling period is there. And so it's like the amount of use and how we're going to go. I just want you
1:07:12 guys to be aware of this and to be ready for this because it's coming and people think, oh, there's more time. Oh, we can be carbon neutral by 2050. I was reading this on this, this, um, this creamer thing that I, that I got to feed to my pigs and was saying, we're going to be carbon neutral by 2050. And it's like, yeah, you are because there's not going to be carbon to burn in 2050. Like we only have, we're in the last doubling period. We're going to use all this oil you're going to be eating, you know, rice straw. And, you know, we're certainly not going to have
1:07:42 this kind of plastic if you're carbon neutral. Right. And so companies, they're trying to get green and do this stuff, but they don't realize the wicked wave that's coming and this exponential theory. So I just with this last little bonus over time, past the time, I just think it's so important that you know, this understand how our resources are just going to get vacuumed out, how oil, how metal, how every single thing, like the batteries that we're using, all this stuff, it's all built on diesel, how diesel is just going to be gone, like in the next 20 years,
1:08:13 gone, not like, oh, a little bit gone, but like gone, gone. If you know, unless there's significant setback, but this is just sheer numbers and math. And I really encourage you, if you want to get into this and I've piqued your interest at all to search for this video on YouTube, which is the most important video you'll ever see. And it's this video right here. I'm going to switch over to this and transition over so you can see this. But it's this video right here, and Population and Energy by Al Bartlett. And if you really want
1:08:58 to see this or this one, the most important video you'll ever see. And this guy talks about the same thing and the same problems, but these are the most important video literally you will ever see, because if you understand exponential growth and you understand these things, you'll understand how critical our resources are at this point. But I want to, I don't want to just like depress you on this. I also want to talk about the exponential growth of natural farming, that if you go out and you teach two people and they teach two people and they teach two people and they teach two people
1:09:31 and you double this, everyone in the world can learn natural farming. And if we go out and we start to spread some microbes, they spread exponentially. They spread exponentially. They spread exponentially. And we can fight the exponential decline of resources with the exponential rise in microbes, in the exponential rise of building better soil, in the exponential rise of how many people know about good earth care. And so if you do watch this video, comment below, let me know, please. Next time I'm going to do a hands up who watched this video, who were,
1:10:04 who did it. And maybe I'll even just run an office hours and just watch this video. It's that important. You need to see this. I'm telling you, if you've watched this far, you like Korean natural farming. You think I'm an all right. Okay. Guy. I'm telling you watch the most important video you'll ever see, watch it right here, right there. Click on this thing, the most important video you ever see. It is so important that you watch it. And come back next week. We'll have a discussion on this to see these doubling periods, these things, because the key is that natural farming
1:10:36 also grows exponentially. You put the microbes out, they grow, they double, they double, they double. You teach people, they teach more people. You teach more people, they teach more people. this is the key this is the power like if we want to save the world we want to be these solutions we want to make it this is the way to do it so um so i just want to encourage you check these videos out watch them come back next week let's discuss this um and then also i want to discuss a scam that my wife got into and and how wicked it is and to avoid ponzi schemes and just a warning to
1:11:10 you all. If you ever hear of anyone talking about dream weaving or giving circles or gifting circles or these things, they're wicked Ponzi schemes and be careful, get out of it. Don't join their criminal. And so anyway, looking forward to seeing you guys next week. It's July. It's the month of my birth. It's the month of my wife's birth. And I'm ready for amazing time to spend with you guys. we're hitting the peak of summer and, um, really looking forward to it. So appreciate you want to let you know that you mean a lot to me, um, especially, you know, um, sweeter than anything
1:11:48 given the super chat, but all you that send videos, my way, send information, send emails, send things to, to, you know, get this conversation going. I really appreciate it. And, um, you know, let's let's work together let's build a better planet um you know please do everything you can to spread natural farming spread life spread aloha and i just want to thank you for for being being here and being um what you're doing so with that i'm gonna i'm gonna let you guys go get on to your day get on to my day and just uh yeah love you all korean little heart there for
1:12:28 you and mahalo. Thank you so much. Aloha.