Soil Compaction, Seawater Drench, IMO3 Microscope
Dr. Drake opens with an I Ching reading, then works through emails and live chat questions. Evelyn asks about fermented plant juice (FPJ) from dry plants like mugwort: not every plant renders much juice, and adding up to 10% of the sugar weight as fine sea salt raises the osmotic pull. A quart jar yields less juice than a half-gallon or five-gallon batch, and mugwort can sit five days or more without much liquid showing.
Eva in North Kohala asks how to fix compacted soil on a no-till KNF farm. Drake's answer: drench with LAB (the KNF protectors), IMO, and Maintenance Formula, then add diluted seawater, which flocculates and breaks up compacted layers chemically. Broad forking is mostly wasted effort since the next hard rain recompacts loosened soil; shape beds once at the start, then build soil life with organic matter and deep-rooted crops like carrots, daikon, vetiver, and cassava.
Drake plays Post Up Media's IMO3-under-the-microscope video and points viewers to Elaine Ingham's microscope playlist on his channel. He covers water-soluble potassium versus phosphorus (ripe fruit Food gives potassium, unripe gives phosphorus), gypsum and dolomite as quick but short-lived soil amendments, and warns never to use JMS with livestock — LAB and IMO tea only. Other answers: buy KOH through BEI Hawaii on Oahu, IMO3 takes 7-14 days, ʻōhiʻa trees fighting Rapid ʻŌhiʻa Death respond to LAB and Maintenance Solution (search ROD on his channel), apple cider vinegar can replace brown rice vinegar, and a 6-foot no-smell floor works for horses same as cattle.
He closes showing microcontroller builds — an ESP8266 soil-moisture sensor and a four-probe IMO temperature alarm — plus the Pure KNF Foundation newsletter on food tacos, before signing off.
Questions answered
- 8:50 Can plants be too dry to make Fermented Plant Juice (FPJ)? — Not all plants render juice equally; add up to 10% of the sugar weight as fine salt to draw more juice out.
- 11:48 Mugwort FPJ shows no juice after 5 days in a quart jar — normal? — Mugwort is a dry plant that yields little juice; salt helps, and small jars render less juice than large batches.
- 14:58 How do you deal with compacted soil on a no-till KNF farm? — Start with LAB protectors, IMO, and Maintenance Formula, then drench with diluted seawater, which flocculates and breaks up compaction.
- 19:58 Should I till once or broad fork before starting a no-till garden? — Shape and till beds once at the start, but broad forking is mostly wasted since rain recompacts loosened soil — build organic matter instead.
- 24:01 What else helps break up compacted soil? — Deep-rooted plants like carrots, daikon, vetiver, and cassava break up compaction naturally as they grow.
- 35:15 What produces water-soluble potassium and phosphorus in KNF? — Ripe fruit Food (FPJ) gives potassium, unripe fruit Food gives phosphorus; aim for balance before chasing specific deficiencies.
- 39:50 Can I use JADAM microbe solution and KNF protectors for a no-smell chicken coop? — Use lactobacillus and IMO tea, but never JMS for livestock — it carries too many pathogens under the microscope.
- 41:34 Where can I get KOH on Oahu now that Amazon stopped shipping there? — Check out BEI Hawaii (Brewer Environmental Industries), which brought in a 50-pound bag.
- 42:30 What's the best microscope to buy? — Get a compound microscope with a moving stage and a trinocular head, not a digital-only scope; Drake uses an AmScope.
- 45:47 How long does it take to make IMO3? — About 7 to 14 days, turning it to keep it from going above 120°F, until it drops below about 80°F.
- 50:54 What treatment helps ʻōhiʻa trees resist Rapid ʻŌhiʻa Death? — Spread LAB microbes and Maintenance Solution; search ROD on Drake's YouTube channel for the full protocol.
- 53:23 Can apple cider vinegar replace brown rice vinegar in KNF recipes? — Yes, and making your own living vinegar works even better.
- 53:55 Does a living no-smell floor work for horses? — Yes, build it about 6 feet deep like for cattle, with logs on the bottom and wood chips or sawdust on top.
- 55:44 What's the optimal temperature for making IMO? — No single optimal temperature: hotter than 90°F finishes in about 3 days, 60-80°F takes about 5 days, cooler than 60°F can take 7-14 days.
- 57:10 Can I give chickens milk kefir instead of LAB? — Yes, it will help them, though it carries a narrower range of bacteria than the traditional lactobacillus process.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Intro and welcome
- 2:00 I Ching reading — Pushing Upward
- 5:28 KNF recipe book translated to Spanish
- 8:50 Dry plants and FPJ — adding salt to draw juice
- 11:48 Making FPJ from mugwort — jar size and timing
- 14:58 Compacted soil — LAB, IMO, seawater
- 16:40 Seawater flocculation — drench method
- 19:58 Till vs no-till — broad forking
- 25:35 IMO3 under the microscope video
- 35:15 Water-soluble potassium vs phosphorus
- 39:50 KNF chicken coop — LAB, not JMS
- 42:30 Choosing a microscope
- 45:47 How long to make IMO3
- 50:54 Rapid ʻŌhiʻa Death treatment
- 53:55 No-smell floor for horses
- 55:44 Optimal IMO temperature
- 57:10 Milk kefir for chickens
- 59:58 Newsletter — food tacos
- 1:09:04 Sign-off
Transcript
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0:30 Hey, aloha. welcome to office hours for july 24th 2022 and uh here in beautiful hila hawaii but coming to you around the world thanks to youtube and the pure cana foundation and all the beautiful things and
1:17 good people that make all this happen and uh bringing you answers to korean natural farming as well as insight and other tidbits that are worth sharing to all of us and building a great global community. So I want to thank everybody from all around the world for tuning in and checking it out and making the earth a more fertile, living, life-producing, life-friendly place. But I wanted to start off here this morning, similar to every time I do this. you know the ox is known for consistency and all that so get some higher inspiration coming to us
2:00 from the the yi ching and so this one is today's is earth over a wind and today's insight is pushing upward which it says activity grounded in truth brings progress and good fortune So, it is a time when great progress can be made through effort of will. However, it is essential that all your activity be characterized by humility, conscientiousness, and adaptability. Progress as a tree does, by bending around obstacles rather than confronting them, pushing upward steadily but gently.
2:48 There is nothing to be feared from others now. Feel free to ask for help from those who are in a position to give it. Be neither subservient nor forceful with those you encounter. Simply meet everyone with tolerance and gentle goodwill. Those who look for the good in others find it there. if fear or doubts intrude remain quietly focused on the activity at hand cultivate inner independence and trust the leadership of the sage the time is ripe for progress if you put forth an effort
3:35 that is innocent, sincere and balanced so yeah So all those things, it's a good time to move forward, to do things, you know, but don't move rashly, but good time to, you know, draw on each other, get help, make progress, doing the right thing. So cool. And so good to check in with you guys, two guys from Indiana. That's Stone Mason and Aaron checking in. and stonemason says he got some great, great pictures. I always, always, you know, my friend, my friend Ian used to always say, that's sick. And I'm like, that's healthy. And so if your
4:21 garden's killing it, maybe your garden's actually growing it, right? And just thinking of our vocabulary a little bit, that words are powerful things, the vibrations you're putting out there, the intentions by killing it, you may mean it's doing great, but it might be a time to check our vocabulary to say my garden's thriving or some positive word instead of our English vocabulary and especially modern culture. We're always like, that's sick when actually we mean that's really healthy and good and beneficial and all these things. So as we push upward, remembering those
4:55 things and it's good to see you guys, the goofman, Thomas down in Florida. What's up, George? How's Latvia going, man. Hope everyone's safe and well up there. And glad to check in with you guys. So I wanted to start off a little bit today. What's up, Australia? Oh, it is a global community checking in here. But speaking of drawing on others and doing good things and getting things together. Um, I just got an email from Mao and, um, he's, he's over, I think, uh, Cambodia, I believe, Cambodia. And, um, he just finished a, um, what do you call a passion project?
5:48 Not sure it's quite a, um, you know, but he just finished, um, a translation of making the book the um the recipe book into spanish here so for all you um amigos out there speaking spanish and um you know reaching reaching more of the world by putting it into your language check this out i mean it's like here it is knf libro de recetas recetas you know um and i don't I don't necessarily speak Spanish, but, um, besides like burrito or quesadilla and, you know, the essentials, um, but check this out. I mean, it's like, it's nailed here of, um,
6:40 being translated here into another language. So thank you so much for, um, doing this. Look forward to putting it into the book and formatting it and making it all great, but it's just like, you know, este libro está dedicado al oceano. You know, like this book is dedicated to the ocean. I'm probably butchering the language, but if anyone's, you know, Spanish and speaking those languages and doing those things, like how cool is this that he took, you know, just his time, energy, and hopefully I'll be able to figure out how to get
7:20 getting compensated for this too. So if you're buying the Spanish edition, it goes back to him as a translator and getting all this together. But, you know, if you know Spanish speaking people, we'll get this together and get that out to them. So it was, you know, he said it was a heck of a more project than he thought it was going to be when he first started. But big shout out to Mao and doing this, working this here and making that happened. So, um, you know, that's pretty cool. So let's see here. Um, yeah, so I wanted to start
7:58 off with that. And then, uh, before getting into some other, I got a few emails this week. Um, so I just wanted to kind of jump into those again. If you want to email me, uh, Drake, D-R-A-K-E at pureknf.org, P-U-R-E-K-N-F dot O-R-G is the email. So drake at pureknf.org. And, um, you know, you can always send me emails or join live. And if you can't make it live, uh, that's, you know, that's another good thing. So, so transition over here and see, And this is from Evelyn Mitchell, who's been all up on the YouTube.
8:44 And so shout out to Evelyn. She says she has to work this Sunday, but she has a question. Is it possible that a plant or plants you choose to make fermented plant juice are too dry to produce juice? They are freshly picked from living healthy plants early in the morning, though. and yes I do um I do want to get into that is that you know some some plants not all plants are equal in terms of the amount of juice they render for you um you know some some of those drier plants like for instance I've heard mamaki is very dry which maybe you don't know what mamaki
9:21 is but it's a kind of um I shouldn't shouldn't put that live on myself but it's a um it's kind of an herbal plant. And also the, you know, everyone's favorite flower does not render much juice. So there's ways to increase the amount of juice. And if you're, you know, been studying KNF for a while or been listening to the office hours, you know that you can blend about 10% salt of the amount of sugar you're going to add. So say I have one pound of material, and then I'm going to add between half to a third of the weight of sugar. So I'm going to add between
9:58 a half pound to a third pound of sugar. And I can add up to 10% of that being salt. So finely powdered salt, preferably sea salt if you can get it. But salt will increase that osmotic pressure to bring more juice out. And that's a good way to get things out of really dry material is to add salt. Also, other thing to note is that you may not be getting juice right away. So as the plant material, as you massage it on it, it starts to break that osmotic barrier, leaving it for a day or two, more juice may come out. But some of the materials like mugwort are very dry and don't
10:44 yield that much. So, and I should actually give you numbers. If that was a half pound of salt, let's just say that's 8 ounces divide that by 10 and it would be 0.8 ounces, so just about an ounce of salt into that would be about appropriate so if you were to add, you know, if you're doing a 1 pound, about 8 ounces of, excuse me yeah one pound of material would be eight ounces of sugar and one um one ounce of salt and you're about in that window about 10 and that would be about right for you but it's but again it's 0.8
11:32 so don't scale that up too high you'll be your air will get larger um but you know a tenth so it's pretty pretty easy to do if you're going to weigh it out with a scale um and then um so to continue with her email here she's saying trying you know i'm trying to make the um plant juice with mugwort and just started one with bush clover which is awesome both those things should be rich for you the mugwort um something master chow always recommends um the sugar still stuck to both plants very well and i felt the moisture as i packed it in my jars
12:07 but so far I haven't seen any evidence of juice in the mugwort. I know it's been five days. Yeah, well, maybe the salt would help, but there probably will be some juice that does emerge. You probably just won't get very much. And also, she does mention here that somewhere here, let's see, I heard this email, that it's like a quart jar. And sometimes I've noticed with smaller amounts of things, it's harder to get as much juice out. Sometimes larger, um, you know, when I'm doing five gallon buckets or I'm doing half gallon jars, or I'm doing, you know, um, even a two gallon
12:46 bucket, it seems to get more juice out when I have more volume, which I think maybe it's, it's a function of like part of the juice coming out and then helping the others to accelerate out. I'm not exactly sure. That's, that's where I need to do a little bit more science is to like, figure that out is between these things of what, what really makes sense here. Um, so, and then she's saying our temperatures had been over 95 degrees, some days over a hundred degrees. Um, and yeah, so it should, it should be fermented by now. If you smell it,
13:22 it should, that smell should have changed. Um, I would imagine. And, um, yeah so and she was having trouble getting enough volume out of the thing um so uh but you know you should at those temperatures she's asking should i wait longer than seven days let me increase the font size so you guys can read this too um increase you know she's asking if she should wait a little longer than seven days and i would say, uh, no need for that. Um, it should, it should be done. And if it's not, then, um, you know, like I said, add the salt, try it, try again. Sorry. Sorry. It doesn't always work every time.
14:09 Um, even for me, it's not always, you know, I say these things are foolproof. They're pretty easy, but, um, you know, it's not every plant behaves the same, so it's not always the same there. So So glad to get that to you, Evelyn. And let's see here. So I got another email here. Okay. Okay, so I got one from Seth who took a class and it looks like he emailed me last week asking if he can get some maintenance for me because he's on the island. I think I'll be able to hook him up with some. and then I got another email here from Eva so I'll switch this one over here
15:01 and she was asking she's up in North Kohala which is on my island it's about two hours away from me here that's a sweet one in Havi so I'm not sure I'll have to look up where that I hope what it is, but I wonder if it's the dry side. And she's doing some groundwork on her KNF farm. Her understanding is that KNF is no-till, and she understands why. I was wondering how you deal with compacted soil. So this is a classic good question, compacted soil. A, if you're in Compacted soil, I recommend, A, just starting with the lactobacillus, the KNF protectors.
15:51 They're AKA also known as the KNF protectors because they're also known as emergency workers where they penetrate into this emergence and they're able to mine the soil and to really get it going well. Other thing to do with super compacted soil from KNF perspective, in addition to putting the IMO and the maintenance solution on top of that to get it to go into your soil is to also apply seawater. Seawater has a flocculating type of compound that happens. And what it means is flocculation is like chemically making the soil break up. And I'm just going to pull this up here
16:32 on the minerals page here in the book, because it shows what I'm talking about here. So let me zoom this in a little bit and get this in the center and then scroll that over. So, um, so what I'm talking about here is, um, are these minerals here. So if you have exhausted, so under, um, the mineral solution, which is KNFC water by just diluting the seawater, um, and to make, you know, diluting it one to 10 or one to 30, somewhere in there, um, from your seawater or by making it, you know, with your sea salt, either one of these recipes, um, you have exhausted
17:19 compact soil like this, all the soil layers are lining up and this is like magnetic, um, you know, compaction. And when you dilute seawater, it takes these different minerals, like say for instance, this is, you know, I don't know, an arsenic. Maybe that's not the best one to choose. Maybe it's a boron because there's more of these minerals towards the top. But maybe there's a magnesium or sulfur or, you know, a chlorine or a nitrogen or excuse me, that's a carbon. But all these elements are in there. And so say this is one of them, it goes down and it has some,
17:58 it has a magnetic field around it as the electrons change. And this thing now pushes your soil up. And then this one, you know, say this is a helium that you needed. I don't, I don't know why helium would be in there, but it is. Um, and it pushes the soil this way. And then this one's, you know, maybe say this is a copper and it pushes the, the, and so as you put diluted seawater down and it penetrates into your soil, it starts to naturally flocculate your soil. So a way to chemically, break up your soil is to add seawater. And then when I was in California one time, I was looking,
18:35 I was in a grow shop and I was looking at this product and it was called, you know, soil decompactor. And what was it? Well, it was basically calcium. So the same recipe here of including that is also including like, you know, water soluble calcium along with, you know, the protectors along with the um the seawater and calcium helps to break it up so um putting these recipes in there together and including calcium with it and just these solutions just um the whole key is to like really drench them and you get them to go down four to six inches and get that top place
19:17 top bit of your soil wet um and then it'll help to break up the compaction so um yeah so let's see here um yeah the goofman is kind of verifying that if you make a um a um a half gallon jar for the for the things they work better um okay um so so before we get to that um and then so let's see here she's also asking um so it's no till she's wondering you know um one time shallow till to get things going um i always
20:04 recommend that when you start a garden bed you do your soil shaping and in tillage first like do it like get a machine in there, dig it, make it the way you want, get your soil beds formed, then start to build your soil, then start to get your IMOs, those soil solutions, all those things I talked about. But don't think to yourself that, oh, mechanical tillage is going to break up my soil compaction. Because she's asking later here, you know, do instead of tilling, do I recommend broad forking? The difference is broad forking,
20:38 you're digging down and kind of breaking things. It's like last office hour, last week, I was talking about, you know, I have a spader. So instead of a tiller where I'm tilling the soil, I'm spading it. But in this case, it sounds like your soil's kind of dead already. And so don't worry too much about the biology, breaking it up, doing those types of things. It's more get it shaped the way you want. And if you think that you're going to broad fork down and loosen the soil, as soon as that first rain happens or you water too much, that water goes and it recompacts
21:15 your soil and it reconcretes it and it resettles it. So if you're watering and you're putting protectors or you're putting calcium and you're putting seawater and it's getting down to that depth, then it's going to chemically keep your soil from recompacting. But broad forking, like it's a lot of effort. It's a lot of like, you're just going to be there all day, like all day. And are you really helping your soil? The answer is not really, because as soon as it rains, all that, all that like loosening you've done is just recompacted, re-solidified.
21:49 And like I was talking last week when, um, I witnessed was asking about it, you know, a tractor is too heavy for, you know, what tractor is too heavy for compaction. Don't think of compaction as something that happens from the surface and all of a sudden I've compacted the soil. It's more what happens is when you do tillage, you get down to a certain layer and then it rains and then the rain compacts the soil because the rain collapses all that soil structure collapses. And just like that picture, the, the, um, the, the picture here of, of the,
22:21 uh, scroll past it, of the minerals here, um, is, is that as soon as it rains, you're, um, you're compacting like as soon as it rains it's just it's just solidifying your soil again it's just solidifying solidifying solidifying and and it's not like a tractor above smash that stuff it's it's it's the rain it's the water water just like you know any soluble nutrient flows away anything it just compacts and just makes it so hard that it's it's it's more like when you do tillage the water seeps down and then it compacts that layer right there so thinking of mechanical
22:58 tillage to think that you're doing anything for your soil you may have very short-term benefits hey what's up yeah hey ali good to see you from montana um but you're having these compactions happen that are that are beyond your control of like the microscopic layer and the only way to really beat compaction is to get like more organic matter in there that that helps why because it It helps the microbes build humus and put more microbes in there. And they're the ones that build structure and build everything. You can do some chemical stuff, like I was saying, the seawater, the calciums,
23:36 but it's really getting the life into your soil that makes the difference here of compaction. So is it worth it to broad fork your soil? I would say not really. Is it worth it to shape your beds first before you begin to build soil foundation? Absolutely. so um so focus on those things and then just start to do soil prep another way to really break up soil easy um is this plant things that'll get deep rooted like plant carrots plant daikon plant vetiver plant in my case cassava is something i just stick in the ground and it grows and it
24:13 just it just breaks up the soil as the plants get in there and for me it's a lot easier than me to break these things up and everything. So I hope that helps you, Eva. And I'm happy that you're here, you know, on the big island growing it up. Link up with Seth at Starseed and Dash and those guys. They got great ideas if you're up there. Seth just took a natural farming class from me and Dash has been tuned into KNF for quite some time. Actually, I lived at Starseed in about 2010 back with Joe T and Andre. Rest in peace to those blind folks out there. And my dad actually,
24:55 or excuse me, my grandpa used to own a land down on Ho'ea Road and that mango orchard that used to be Tom Baldwin's, which I'm pretty sure he moved now. I'm not exactly sure. But some of those mango trees I planted when I was a little kid with my grandpa and bless his soul too. Thank God for him. He, um, you know, so anyway, got, got a lot of roots up in North Kohala. Glad you're up there to do it, to heal that land and hope this helps you. So, um, let's see here. I think, uh, oh yes, I got one more thing before I jump into the chat here. I saw young, got a few questions and some
25:34 things, but our brethren, PostUp Media, has been on it to put the videos up for us and to make everything go. So this week, I'm going to put my headphones to the thing because I still haven't got the loopback thing going yet, but I'm going to play this for you, and he has IMO3 under the microscope. So let's go here and let's play this video for you guys. And if you haven't subscribed, or I guess this video is unlisted, so you get this special preview right here. So I'm going to put my headphones up to the mic. Hopefully it'll translate across and not get me a copyright violation,
26:17 but let's see what he got.
27:31 All right. That was cool. Hopefully you guys could hear that too. And then, um, you know, I think, I think it'd actually be useful for me to just go over this real quick with you guys and just point out a few things of what I'm seeing when he's looking at these deals. And, um, you know, if you really, if you really do want to follow up with, um, the microscope and you're interested in that, let me see here is, um, if you go to, um, let's see here, I'm in the wrong window here. Um, yeah, actually, no, this is correct. If I go here to, um,
28:21 so if you, if you are, if you are interested more in the microscope and you want to learn more, If you go to my channel here, and then I believe it's right here. So these, you know, try these online courses to learn natural farming. And if you check out this playlist right here, Elaine Ingham Common Ground 2012, the soil food web, and you click on this bad boy and skip this first bit. But really, if you want to learn about the microscope, it's here. It's, it's, um, you know, this is, this is a great thing.
28:55 This is how I learned how to use a microscope, but it's, it's right behind my picture here, but it's five, five one. And this, this is us sitting with Elaine, um, and her going through the microscope with us. So, so this is, you know, here's the, here's the microscope right in front and it's being projected up on the wall. And she's talking about, you know, like this amoeba and then, you know, these fungus. and she's just telling us like you know you know here's a there's an amoeba moving around or it actually might be a flagellate i'm not sure i'd have to look at it a little bit better
29:33 to know but she's you know outlining to us what about the the fungus and all these things so if you want this is one of the best videos to watch because there's the edge of the slide here's her scrolling across you know and basically she's looking for nematodes to start and these things of what she's seeing, you know, at this zoom level. She's just searching for nematodes, which is how she starts the analysis. And, you know, oh, there's a nematode. She found one. You know, so then I think she'll zoom in on it and then look at its mouth to find out what kind of nematode it is.
30:13 And if it's moving around too fast, she'll pull it out with a lighter and kind of burn it a little bit just to heat it up to kill it. But if you are interested in the microscope and those things, I highly recommend you check out this playlist here and checking these things out. And so I'm just going to go back to post-ups thing here a little bit and show you. So these things here, let me see if I can. Hang on one sec. I'm just going to see if I can. Where's my mouse? There it is. I'm gonna see here hang on if I can
30:59 let's see display pointer I'm gonna make my pointer a lot bigger for you guys here so you guys can see here I made my pointer bigger glad I could do that for you so these here these are fungal hyphae. And then this stuff here is like humic and fulvic acids that, um, that the soil has made here. And then as you, as we scroll through, oh man, it's hard to use a big fat mouse. Um, but he's, he's, um, so this is like an aggregate where it's, where it's, uh, dropped in. And then let's see here. So here, here again, that's that same aggregate zoomed out, right?
31:40 He's looking at this same aggregate here and looking through this. Let's see here. And then, you know, but if you see this amount of fungus tied in, it's a good sign. One thing I'm a little skeptical of is that the fungus is pretty clear in color. But really, the way to tell whether it's, oh, and there's a spirilla. That's not really the best sign. But it's attached to this plant material here. um so i wonder what he's he's looking at imo3 under the microscope so um so yeah hopefully you're not seeing too much spurla like that um and then you see this guy this is actually like
32:22 a fungus that's kind of hatched out into its um into its reproductive body so here's the here's this fungus and you see this nice darker color to it really what you got to do is you got to pick out one of these bacterias and say, okay, this is one micrometer, and then measure it across to say, okay, how big is it? And if it's greater than three and a half micrometers, it's usually a good fungal body there. And so that's what you're looking for. And then these round things are probably fungal spores that are put out here. And then also, let's see here. So you can do
32:59 analysis and basically you're trying to figure out how much fungus is there compared to how much bacteria. And for our purposes, we're looking for as much fungus as possible. And there was one other thing that I saw here. You know, like this plant material, this aggregate, this is a bunch of bacteria all glued together there. I did see yeasts somewhere where he was looking. It's hard for me to use this fat mouse. But let's see. I don't know exactly where I saw them. Maybe they were here. Let me see. He scrolls through this thing. Let's see. Go back a little bit.
33:48 but cool cool to see as he's scrolling through these things seeing you know um anyway um yeah let's see maybe one more time looking right here no so he zoomed out zoomed in but anyway cool cool thing to see um is that so thanks thanks post up thanks joel uh i know today he couldn't make the live stream he has to help out his wife which is some of the most noble things is helping your family and all that and doing this. So anyway, I think here, pretty sure I got through all the emails that I wanted to touch on today
34:35 from you guys and already did half the office hour, but want to jump into some live stuff and get back to you guys. Um, and thank you for showing up today as always. Um, you know, it's a good, good things happening. So let me see, I'm going to scroll back on the chat here a little bit and see. Um, yeah, so it's good to see you guys linking up. Um, it's up from Trinidad. Um, What's up, Young? It's great to see you guys here. And so Stone Mason was asking, do I have something you call water-soluble potassium other than the acronym?
35:22 And I don't use water-soluble potassium particularly because as part of the nine core solutions. It is in Master Cho's old recipe book, which you can find online. Um, it's, um, but, but, um, I think it's made from, uh, tobacco stocks that have been charred and dissolved in water. Um, but largely the potassium in, in the way with the nine core solutions, if you're just going to stick to these nine, because you can get specific water soluble potassium, but in the nine core solutions, your potassium comes when you make a can of food from fruit.
36:02 and when you make a can of food from fruit then you're getting the um that potassium and that's largely um where you know um and also unripe fruit specifically has a bunch of um actually no no no actually ripe fruit ripe fruit excuse me because you know even even myself i get confused with the NPK, because which is the P, which is the K? Oh, man. But potassium, which, that's actually phosphorus, WSK is phosphorus. So as he's saying potassium, but potassium is actually a P, man. So anyway, even I get messed up because of these things,
36:48 which like the letters versus the things like, I wish P and K, you know, which one, the potassium one started with a P or the K. Anyway, sorry to confuse with that, but he's actually asking about the water-soluble phosphorus here, which just gets even more confusing. So phosphorus comes from unripe fruits, and make a can of food from unripe fruits, and you're going to get a bunch of phosphorus. You want potassium, make it from ripe fruits, and you're going to get a bunch of potassium, and it's going to be in a balanced form. Anytime you're trying to target it
37:23 with specifically adding like potassium or adding phosphorus without having it balanced in a food is when you're going to run into more imbalances. If you've ever seen the, you know, the bucket analogy, what is it? Nutrient lockout. I'm just going to look up this in images. These are all just pictures of things or its nutrient lockout, but, um, there's like a fertilizer bucket, um, picture. And, um, what I'm looking for is specifically like, um, I don't know, but, but basically it's this bucket where it shows the lowest nutrients and stuff. And if you run into
38:10 imbalances, it's going to be much harder to correct. So you're better off to have balanced, things happening than trying to specifically target like potassium or phosphorus. You're better off to just use like for a potassium, use a ripe fruit food. And for phosphorus, use a unripe fruit food or from flowers, you know. And I always kind of go back to those because they're safer for everyone. And only once you've truly put those in and balance and brought balance to your plant, then you can deal with specific deficiencies. But really,
38:47 it should be your whole idea with natural farming should be to bring it into balance versus trying to deal with certain deficiencies. So and then Aaron's mentioning drywall and some clay can make change, make some changes. It's kind of redneck, but I've seen it work. And drywall, I believe, as like gypsum. And so gypsum was something that someone last week was talking about putting into the soil. So you can amend with gypsum or dolomite or those things. And they do help, especially if you're going to first kick off your soil. You're doing a, you know, you're going to do
39:22 some tillage, some amending to start type of thing. I just don't, you know, then they work and they're good. Here I do use dolomite on occasion. What I've heard about those things is they make rich fathers and poor sons, meaning that they'll get all your nutrients to come out right now and then later they won't be there. So do be careful on all those things. And Young is asking about a KNF chicken coop. Sorry, I'm way back on the chat here. and firstly can I use Jadam microbe solution and KNF protectors only for my no smell chicken coop
40:05 and would it exhibit the characteristics of living soil you can use just lactobacillus in your chicken coop I don't recommend using JMS in a chicken coop or with livestock I'd recommend going IMOs and making a liquid IMO tea, like collect IMO one and then add it to a maintenance solution and bubble that for a few hours, put that out as a tea. I never recommend JMS for livestock. It's just, it's just not compatible. Despite what Young Sung Cho says, it's, you put it under the microscope, there's too many pathogens. It's just not compatible with
40:38 living things. Um, so, but the lactobacillus, the canif protectors for sure use those. Um, and eyewitnesses thomas is saying adding can of structure and reproduction help um yeah so anyway it's that's his comment on compaction is adding structure and reproduction to a cheap microbe solution and drenching it that will help with compaction probably more than anything else so um and seawater and that would help as well you know, the more you can get these, um, minerals and nutrients into the ground,
41:20 the better it's going to work. Um, so coming down, I think I'm going to get close, get close to this. Um, um, and so 808 Shibi is asking anywhere on anyone know on Oahu where I can get KOH, um, Amazon's no longer shipping out there and the other chem companies charge $53 to ship two pounds, I would check out BEI Hawaii Brewer Environmental Industries, which is kind of a funny name for that company. But BEI and Hilo was able to bring in a 50 pound bag of it. So I'd check out BEI on Oahu. So in Shaman King is asking which one is more effective on soil loosening
42:12 or which one is more effective on soil loosening done by flocculation or dispersion. I would do both and, you know, just go for it to get those things, you know, if you're going to do it in the beginning anyway. What microscope is the best? I don't know. I'll show you. I have an Amscope. You know, I should probably put up an Amazon affiliate link here. Um, and I have something, um, super similar to this. Um, it is a little bit cheaper than this one, cause this one has come in with, you know, it has this led, um, dual view led
42:58 microscope, but mine is a trinocular like this am scope. Um, and this was just like off my first, um, you know, Google result here of getting to it. But, um, if you look at am scope, here. Um, this is, uh, why do you want me to subscribe? I don't want to, um, but this here is, you know, as long as you're getting a compound microscope here where you're able to look, um, you don't, even, even, even these would work too, but you don't want a digital microscope like this. And, um, but the compound is nice because this stage moves around, whereas this one,
43:40 your slide, your stage does not move around. You can only focus up and down. So it's nice to get one like this here. And then if you look at these compound microscopes here and see, it's something like this, something like this that I have, you know, even, even these here, these I bought from my classroom when I was teaching at Kalana and Olay School and they were pretty good. and the microscope I have looks something like this right here where it has this trinocular. That way I can put the camera up above and look through it while I'm doing things and
44:18 it's $4.85, you know. So I buy it now with inflation happening. It's only going to get more expensive later. But any of these, they all, you know, they have a halogen light in a condenser and 28, you know, 20 watt. But, um, you know, here's this little pack here with everything you need for students to do it. And a bunch of slides, cover slips, you know, uh, I don't know if this comes with a camera, but you can always stick the camera into your eye socket hole here to, to do it. Um, but these, this is the company I used. Um, you know, there seems pretty good.
44:57 I should probably get an affiliate link with them, but, uh, you know, get 15% off using code INS15, right? Um, not sure if that's the one for these, but Hey, you know, Hey, thanks. What's up. Oh, thanks. Sweeter than anything. You are so sweet. Appreciate those super chats. Um, so, um, so let's see here, getting back to this on this side, got my fat mouse for you guys. and yeah so yep the digital ones don't work but anything with an optical um yeah so going through those um partita is asking how long does it take to make im03
45:50 anywhere between 7 to 14 days depending on you know you just want to turn it and make sure you go through the whole process but it takes me about 7 to 14 days to make IMO 3 it depends when it cools down and it drops below about 80 drops below you know 80 degrees it's pretty much done but you want to turn it to make sure it doesn't go above 120 so um and um yep matt powers has a video on it on selecting a microscope and he has pinched majority off elaine ingham and so if you search on youtube for elaine um elaine ingham microscope
46:35 recommendation. I would just watch the OG and, you know, Matt, Matt, I don't, I don't know Matt personally, but choosing a microscope for soil microbiology, this video right here, I'm just going to open it so that way I can link it in the video, but she basically tells you all the ins and outs of what to look for. And she talks about it here. So I would choose, you know, choosing a microscope for microbiology by Dr. Elaine Ingham. This five minute video will tell you everything you need to know. And, um, you know, go to the OG. She, she is the original person. Um, so
47:17 yeah, so thirdly, okay. So, um, so I think yes. Oh, so young. Yeah. I did answer that to make a liquid IMO to spray the coop and bedding instead of making IMO 4? Absolutely, you can. So I already answered that for you. And then so, and thirdly, so Young is asking what type of wood can I use for the coop nesting feeding box? If I'm making and using IMO 3, 4 for the bedding litter, can I use anything other than cedar? advice. Yes. You can use anything other than the cedar. I happen to use redwood. It was just
48:05 already like cut lengths to be the right size that I ended up using. But if you're interested in the, oh shoot, I wanted to keep that video there. If you're interested in the chicken video that I made. Let's see here. Let me go here and go to my channel. And the chicken feeder. Oh, where is it? It's not here. That's one of the hard things about my channel sometimes is finding the right videos that I'm looking for at the right time. There's so much there. but let's see it's under videos and then it's way the heck back oh here it is though so if you are
48:55 able to find my channel and search which you can search my channel by going to it and then clicking this little search bar right here and then searching for it but but it is right here it's this chicken feeder so you can see how I made these chicken feeders and I think it was just like this cutoff lumber. Actually, this was just common lumber. So looking at it here now, I just use common lumber of what I made. Um, you know, and then I ran it through table saw here. Where's the table saw section? There it is. I ran it through my table saws to cut off this side to
49:33 then make my lip for it. And, um, and then assembled it here together. So built this whole thing, but it was just out of common lumber. Anyway. Um, so P is phosphorus. How, um, oh, it is. Oh shit. I was backwards on that stuff. Cause it's KOH, it's potassium hydroxide, right? Yeah. Okay. Anyway, I get so messed up with that stuff of which one is which KOH is, yeah, I gotta remember potassium hydroxide. Okay. I guess I was, backwards and he was correct. So anyway, I, the P and the K, thanks. Thanks for that, for correcting
50:16 me, Partita, because man, those acronyms and those things, that's again, why I don't even like acronyms. And here I'm only reading later that I was wrong and it's like instant chat. I should be keeping up on this. So yeah, banana food, potassium. Yeah. Okay. Sorry about that. Sorry about that. And what's up, Naylor? Oh man, I'm glad you're live here. Met him at Home Depot last week. I was talking about that. And okay, so Naylor's asking, what kind of treatment program would I recommend for enhancing the Ohia Lehua's trees resilience against Ohia death? And again,
51:04 I just easiest way to do this is actually I made a video about it so if you go you know click in the description below and just click on my name there get to my channel and then search here and search for ROD rapid ohia death and you'll notice that here's a here's a solution we were using when we were doing a rapid ohia project and then here's one where I specifically talk about the rapid ohia death of how to do these things. So, and then here's another video on talking about rapid ohia death. And then here's one more talking about solving rapid ohia death. So if you go to
51:49 my channel here and you search ROD, which stands for rapid ohia death, you will see there's multiple solutions that I've brought up of how to fix that problem. But essentially what it is, is it's making the cheap microbes and then spreading them out and then also supplementing, you know, maintenance solutions. It's pretty basic can-f actually to get rid of these fungus. But I talk about the whole theory there of why and how it works. So glad, you know, if you got rapid ohia, try those things. You can make them in a few days, spread them around, and you'll see new leco, which is
52:29 new sprouts coming out of the tree and get them better. So, um, okay. Yeah. Um, so potassium chloride. And so sweeter than anything is saying our own cells are constantly balancing sodium versus potassium. And an imbalance creates problems for the other side. I just recommend using sodium, potassium. Yeah. Yeah. It's always a balance between these things. So food grade gypsum. Yeah. And mixing gypsum into your soil is not a bad idea. Those things
53:18 to amend. Okay, so Solar Gourmet is asking, can brown rice vinegar be replaced by apple cider vinegar? Here in Germany is much cheaper than brown rice vinegar, and I can even produce it myself. Absolutely. Use apple cider vinegar in place of brown rice vinegars. Produce it yourself. You only get even a living vinegar, which is even better, and go for it. Those are, yes, absolutely solar gourmet and uh hi from germany uh glad to see you um and um so stonemason is asking will a living no smell floor work for horses
53:58 yes absolutely i think this is one of the things you could make a million dollars if i was in kentucky or someplace where they had show horses i would do a small sample where i'd show this but think of how much time they spend cleaning their barn and then if the poop gets up in the hoof. It causes all kinds of problems. And if you were able to get these microbes living on the floor and a living floor under your horses, you'd save money. It'd be like you don't even have to remove the manure. It would eat it on the floor. There'd be no smell. The urine would get absorbed.
54:29 The thing is that you got to take the no smell floor. And for pigs, the recommended depth is four feet. For cattle, the recommended depth is six feet. And I would imagine it's also for horses. would be about six feet because it's based on the weight of the animal. So you can absolutely use a no smell floor for your horses, but just make it about six feet. So the first three feet are logs and the upper three feet are, um, are, are wood chips or sawdust or whatever you're going to fill the top with. You'll never have to replace the logs and you can pull some of the sawdust out
55:08 on occasion to use it for fertilizer, but it would absolutely work for horses and think how much money you'd save on, on the, um, stalls and all that. And it's like, you put the system in once and it's done. Um, and you guys putting dolomite. Yeah. Cause the Cal mag helps. Yes. Yes. And thanks for answering that. The goof man. Love you, man. Thanks for putting those things in. Um, and you guys are answering these things. Um, Ali, I'm stoked to make my first IMO collection. awesome um the spring was so wet and now it's very hot uh what is the optimal temperature
55:45 um there isn't really an optimal temperature per se because at different temperatures you'll get different microbes but what's growing at that time is is what it's at where where it's more optimal is like the the amount of rain you're receiving if it's real wet you don't want to get IMO 1 in the tropics, that's a little bit harder for me. But, you know, if it's hotter than 90 or so, it's probably going to occur in about three days. If it's between the range of 60 to 80, it's probably going to take about five days. And if it's cooler than 60 degrees in the evenings,
56:28 it's probably going to take about seven to eight days all the way to maybe 14 days. so the way to know when your IMO is ready is if you can feel under and feel a little bit of warmth and or um you know five to seven to you know depending on if it's getting really cold but there's no real optimal temperature for it per se um but stoked you're gonna make IMO that's a really cool. Um, and, uh, yeah, so yeah, diversity here. Um, yeah. And any, any of the, of the IMO thrive all the time. Yeah, that's, that's great. Um,
57:10 can I give my chickens milk kefir instead of LAB? Um, it's an interesting question. Yes, you can. For sure, milk kefir is good for them. The way that we make lactobacillus in Korean natural farming is that the process that's gone through, the whole point is to maximize diversity. so when you are um when you are following this step process here and you're taking the rice wash water putting it into a jar collecting the bacterias you're getting a lot of diversity then you mix it into the milk and it's selecting for just the lactobacillus to live
57:57 and then you're adding the sugar to preserve them if you're just using a milk kefir the bacteria that you're going to get in here are slightly different than these lactobacillus, which aren't as wild and as wide family. They're more narrow to making that kefir. They are lactobacillus. There's also different other microbes that make that kefir happen, but you could use it for animals in a pinch for sure. It's going to be beneficial for them and milk kefir will be great. yeah yeah and sweeter than anything I'm still talking about those microscopes for sure you know for soldering I use this
58:45 here this little what do you call magnifying glass and I've been doing it's kind of funny you mentioned soldering I've been doing a whole bunch of building little microcontrollers. Again, I'm going to hook it up to this moisture capacitive sensor. And then I also bought an automatic solenoid valve and this little, what do you call, MOSFET that will hook into my microcontroller. and I'm going to monitor the moisture and then water my potatoes. And then, um, was also wanting to run a system that would inject KNF in, but, um, so just for my food taco. And so, um, I got a few,
59:36 um, few extra things I just wanted to show you before I wrap up today. Um, just wanted to show you what I've been working on a little bit. And, um, you know, so, so I've been, um, uh, through the Pure KNF Foundation, we've been, um, we've been, we write a newsletter on occasion, and this was the, um, February 2019, or excuse me, January 2021 edition of this. And it talks about, as the cover page here is these food tacos. So this is what I've been building here, this corrugated roof, and then it's bent into a two by four frame, and then, you know,
1:00:31 attached together so it doesn't collapse. And then these food tacos, I've just been working, and this one is actually over at my parents' house here. But these emitters, what I'm going to do is I'm going to hook mine up to a moisture sensor and a little microcontroller and kind of go do some IOT, Internet of Things type of thing where it's hooked up to Wi-Fi and put a little camera up here to watch my food taco grow and have it automated. But these food tacos basically, you know, a way like green onions and things to just grow them up at this height and raise beds
1:01:08 and more tender things that I need to grow. And I realized I should have put the schematics in this edition of the food taco. But it's a project we worked on with the Pure KNF Foundation. And we helped about 11 veterans grow natural farming, guys who had never farmed before that had all kinds of PTSD. And it gave them this confidence through the Pure KNF Foundation. and you can kind of read about read about this in our newsletter which is again if you want to find that it's at pureknf.org here and the pureknf foundation and it's in our newsletter so if you
1:01:51 want to see all chap all the catalog of all then you know there's i guess there's only two episodes but this one talks about the food taco that one's more about lactobacillus and um so anyway sharing those with, with you guys. Um, and then, um, you know, if you have other questions again, feel free to, uh, it's, it's actually, it's not an Arduino. I'm using the Arduino IDE, like, um, but it's actually a ESP, uh, it's, this one's called a NodeMCU, um, which it's an ESP8266, uh, microcontroller board. And I love messing around with that kind of stuff. Like, you know, if you could see my
1:02:35 desk here. It's like, you know, I got like a, a multimeter and all, all this type of stuff, you know, just, um, my multimeter and, you know, here's like, you know, I'm just, I'm just like messing around building things with, you know, wire and stuff. It's, it's fun. It's like, what am I going to do at the, as the world's collapsing around me? Well, mess around. I always walk in both worlds, right? You got inflation and, and global chaos happening right now worse than ever I've ever seen. And, and, um, just the most uncertain food system I've
1:03:09 ever seen where I saw that supply chain collapse in 2020. And I think 2022, we'll see this food supply chain collapse. So I'm really, my focus right now is like Noah, as opposed to before I was like Moses trying to lead people to the promised land and show them the way. Now I'm more like Noah. I'm like, I'm going to get my arc together. I'm going to, you know, get my farm together first, build these systems for myself, really, you know, make natural farming work for me, because if it doesn't work for me, why would it work for you? Right. And so, but I'm, I'm,
1:03:43 my focus is really like getting our farm fortified for the, what I see is to be an upcoming, just crazy sauce coming. So I hope you're on the same page. I hope these solutions are helping you. I hope you're learning to do natural farming, you know, opening your heart for people that are ready, but people that aren't there yet, just let them go get your things together and getting ourselves together. So I just wanted to, you know, drop those things in. Is there any other questions? Raspberry Pi, moisture monitor, temperature, Johnson Soup, bioreactor. Yeah, I did. I also
1:04:22 ran a Raspberry Pi into this little device here. Let me see, I'll pull it up. And this is what I call, oh shoot, I got stuck to the solar wires. So this thing is also an ESP8266 hooked into these, and there's four different temperature probes that I hook into my IMO pile. So one in the air, one on the core, one on the edge. And I don't know where I put the fourth one, but these then hook up to this guy, which is hooked to the same Wi-Fi network. And then this is down at my house. So this is up at my barn connected to my Wi-Fi up there. And then this is hooked down to my
1:05:08 house. And this has a little audible alarm. So if the IMOs goes above 120 degrees, this little alarm goes off and it also has a little motor on here. So at night it'll silence itself and then it'll just vibrate just like a little, um, you know, uh, uh, cell phone kind of pager thing, or this alarm will go off. If it's, if it's going, it actually plays the Mario song. That's how it goes off when it goes off. But, um, and then this little, uh, LCD screen here displays the current temperature of all the all four different probes and i can see and then i
1:05:51 have like a reset and then turn it on and like silence it or reset it button here so anyway i was thinking of building these and like marketing them as imo buddies and then this you know this is just another esp288266 in here with these temperature probes coming out and these things but i don't know i got too many things going on in my life and it's hard to take something like this and to bring it to production and to build these things. But I love messing around with things like this. Why not? It's 2022, you know, you got to sit in the middle of all these things.
1:06:23 So anyway, good things happening here on the farm, building, growing. Hope you're getting your farm fortified where you're at. And also, you know, exercising your freedom, taking the power back. Remember, we are the government, all those great things. I want to thank you guys for tuning in, especially get this little extra little bonus here of me at the end. And again, I just want to remind you, you know, this episode and all these episodes are at KNF Support, sponsored by the Pure KNF Foundation. You want to find them, hit office
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1:07:38 want to ask a question just straight up right here. Apparently there's a few here that I need to get into, but the goof man's really been helping out working on these and really appreciate him, his support and everything. So if you do see him and you like his answers, you know, like here, here's an answer and you like it. Oh, this, this was actually mine. But, um, you know, when you, when you look at these things and you read this down and you, you understand like, here's a great answer by the goofman, you can always upvote these things, you know, click them up. And apparently I
1:08:12 need to be logged in to do it, but click them up, hook them up, you know, uh, put his good answers to the top. He's, he's really been doing well there and he has great answers and, um, he, he should start at KNF office hours pretty soon. Maybe not, but, um, but anyway, I have been appreciating it. So can't have support all these things. I should probably get back to fixing my truck. Got a, um, got a transmission leak on the front cause I haven't parked my car under a roof and it rusted through. So I gotta go find out if I can get a transmission hose and do some wrenching
1:08:52 today. So, um, want to thank you guys again for tuning in. Appreciate you. Love you go out, do it, make it happen farm grow long live the natural farmer all those good things ahoy and flat eric says bye too bye guys see you later all right aloha bye now .