LAB for Dog Ear Infections, No-Smell Pigs, Acidic Vinegar
Drake opens with the I Ching hexagram on nourishment, then answers a question about a dog's fungal ear infection: lactobacillus (LAB) works on mammals in general, but sulfur is stronger for a severe fungal case. He also explains how to make a more acidic vinegar — make a regular fruit vinegar, then cook it down to concentrate it.
Most of the episode is photos from a Korea trip. A grape farmer loads his soil with biochar and IMOs, lets clover and fallen leaves rot on the ground, and still grows clean, seeded grapes under a double-layer greenhouse. A commercial pig farm runs a deep litter system of rice hulls about four feet deep for roughly 1,000 pigs, with only light odor. A university pepper trial uses Jadam sulfur and wetting agent through a water softener, since the soap needs soft water, and slightly overdoses it, causing tip burn.
Other stops: the Gokseong KNF Learning Center's BMW (bacterial mineral water) system, IMO and preparation stations, and a tracked sprayer vehicle with rotating mist nozzles and a roughly 1,000-liter tank.
Drake also points to a 7-day KNF training in Hawaii for November 2023 and January 2024, the Elaine Ingham microscope/Soil Food Web playlist on his YouTube channel, and invites listeners to email drake@pureknf.org for an interview.
Questions answered
- 20:37 Dog has a fungal ear infection in wet New Zealand weather. What helps? — Lactobacillus (LAB) works well on mammals; for a severe fungal case use sulfur instead.
- 26:52 How do I find past office hours on a specific topic? — Go to knfSupport and use the table of contents Suze built, which lists the minute each topic comes up.
- 28:10 When is the next KNF training in Hawaii? — A 7-day intensive at canifarm.com runs November 2023, with January 2024 still open for signups.
- 29:23 Where can I learn to use a microscope for soil analysis? — Watch the Elaine Ingham Soil Food Web playlist on Drake's YouTube channel, where she IDs nematodes and protozoa on camera.
- 39:30 How do you make a more acidic vinegar? — Make a regular fruit vinegar, such as grape, then cook it down to concentrate it and raise the acidity.
- 41:00 What does the Korean grape farm do differently? — He loads the soil with biochar and IMOs, lets leaves and clover decompose on the ground, and still gets clean, disease-free grapes.
- 47:44 How does the no-smell pig farm control odor? — Deep litter of rice hulls about four feet deep; high stocking density still gave a little urine smell but nothing bad.
- 52:10 How does the pepper farm avoid disease with Jadam sulfur? — Jadam sulfur and wetting agent run through a water softener, since the soap needs soft water; he ran it a bit strong and got tip burn.
- 1:06:10 What's that mist-spraying vehicle at the KNF Learning Center? — A tracked sprayer with a rotating fan, misting nozzles, a generator and pump, and a roughly 1,000-liter tank for covering a whole field.
- 1:08:42 Can I get interviewed on Office Hours about my KNF experience? — Yes, email drake@pureknf.org to set up a video call and share your story on the show.
KNF Office Hours is a free live Q&A every Sunday at 9 AM HST. Bring your question to pureknf.org/learn/questions or join live.
In this episode
- 0:00 Count Down
- 3:46 Intro and Welcome
- 5:03 I Ching Reading: The Corners of the Mouth (Nourishment)
- 21:00 Dog Ear Infection: LAB or Sulfur
- 22:21 Drake on Master Cho's Presentation, Weeks Reviewed
- 26:52 How to Search knfSupport for Topics
- 28:10 7-Day KNF Training in Hawaii, Nov 2023 & Jan 2024
- 29:23 Microscope Playlist with Elaine Ingham
- 34:19 Invitation to Join Office Hour Live
- 36:14 Korea Trip Photos Begin
- 39:30 How to Make Vinegar More Acidic
- 41:00 Korea Trip: Grape Farm with Biochar and IMOs
- 46:46 Korea Trip: Three-Course Meal
- 47:44 Korea Trip: No-Smell Pig Farm
- 52:10 Korea Trip: Pepper Farm and Jadam Sulfur
- 54:25 Korea Trip: Institute of Horticulture and Herbal Science
- 55:32 Korea Trip: Konkuk University Ag Symposium
- 1:00:22 Korea Trip: Gokseong and the KNF Learning Center
- 1:06:10 Korea Trip: Sprayer Vehicle
- 1:08:42 Interview Invite - Email drake@pureknf.org
Transcript
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4:00 Hey, aloha. Good morning. Good day, good wherever you are. Got some people from Hilo, some people from Western Washington, some folks from Germany. What's up? And New York, New York. That's where Jay-Z's from, right? New York.
4:46 He's probably talking about the city now. Okay, so welcome to Korean Natural Farming Office Hours, July 23rd, 2023, 23, 23. Thanks for tuning in. And I'm going to start with a bit of higher wisdom because, you know, higher wisdom is always a good place to start. So today is mountain over thunder. The corners of the mouth providing nourishment. give proper nourishment to yourself and to others. The image of this hexagram is that of an open mouth.
5:36 And it comes to remind us that the nourishment of our bodies and spirit is important and merits our conscientious attention. The I Ching teaches us that if we wish to gauge someone's character, we should notice what he nourishes in himself and in others. Those who cultivate inferior behaviors and relationships are inferior people. Those who cultivate superior qualities in themselves and others are superior people. this is a test we should apply to ourselves as well as to others.
6:25 What you put into your body is obviously important because it determines your fundamental physical well-being. It is wise to be moderate and thoughtful about the food you eat. What you put into your mind is even more significant. and regulating it is a more subtle art. This hexagram gives us three-part advice on that subject. The first counsel is that we should not feed our minds on desire. When we forego our equanimity and begin to desire something or someone,
7:12 a host of inferior influences come into play. we become ambitious about attaining the object of our desire we become fearful that we will not if we do achieve it our ego is gratified and strengthened and soon it issues another demand for us to meet a self-reinforcing cycle of negativity is thus created Therefore, it is wise to hold yourself free from desire. The second counsel is that we begin and continue in a regular practice of meditation.
7:58 Sitting quietly with your eyes closed for even as little as 15 minutes a day begins to clear the waste out of our hearts and our minds. making room for the nourishment of peace and wisdom to enter in. To sit in meditation is to tune your ear to the voice of the sage and is the most powerful way of gaining his assistance. The final counsel is that we observe tranquility in speech, thoughts, and actions By cultivating calm and equanimity in all that you say, think, and do, you nourish your superior self and that of those around you.
8:51 One who follows these three counsels now meets with good fortune. so um so yeah good good to see all you folks this this week i um i listened to uh uval noah harari on lex friedman podcast i don't know if anyone listen everyone anyone else out there listens to lex friedman but um but he's a it's a good good long form podcast similar like Joe Rogan, but without the weed. And he basically said the same thing about what
9:37 I was just talking about. And I was just telling my dad about this because I find that Yuval is like in with the WEF, the World Economic Forum. He's like a globalist and he's out there saying that, you know, we can just program people and that you can't even think for yourself anymore and all these things. But what he does personally is he does exactly this. He's very careful about what he puts into his mind. And I usually am to the most degrees, you know, I haven't been watching any Hollywood movies lately because I realized the deep programming that was put into me over
10:11 those years of just, you know, watching an action flick and like seeing all these propaganda and this deep psychological stuff that's put into you, um, or me, I guess me, um, and trying to deprogram myself from all these ideas, um, and then, you know, regulating what goes in my mind. Um, and so he likes to, he prefers long form podcasts, you know, which is what, you know, he went on Lex Friedman, but, you know, if you just watch a snippet or you just see a tweet or you just see a headline and that's all you're getting, you're not getting the depth of it,
10:46 Right. And, you know, um, this, this here, you know, regular fans of this, you know, it's pretty long form in our, you know, of, of talking about natural farming, going, going deep into it. Um, and understanding that, um, you know, you really want to get into something, you're going to have to invest the time energy and listen to it for a while and many times, and then eventually you'll get it. And the other thing you've all talked about, which I always think it's good to check out the people that are, you know, your enemies, so to say, or I don't know
11:22 if he really is. I'm actually pretty pro-globalist actually, but, um, but, um, is that he does Vipassana, which is like, uh, silent, no speaking retreats. And every day for two hours, he sits there and does his own Vipassana type of meditation, which no speaking, no, you know, just trying not to think, trying to clear your mind, trying to do exactly what it was talking about today in the I Ching, which is to, you know, to, you know, any thought that comes into your head, like you get these thoughts, like, oh, like if you just sit there quiet, you know,
11:58 you'll have some thought, like, I got to do this, or I got to think about this, or I got to, you know do that like at least from my i'm talking from my experience you know i i'm actually pretty good at it i was telling my wife like i've been playing legos since i was a little kid my mom would always be like he just sits there playing legos for hours how the hell does this happen you know like and i've always been you know i don't have that many thoughts in my head i mean i do have good ideas um but it's not like this voice constraint constantly pestering me it's like
12:25 it's more like I can just sit there and be quiet like um but when those thoughts do arise like I think oh I gotta do this or I gotta do that you know like like I've been trying to build this community and trying to you know facilitate you know interaction with you you folks and make things better for all of us and it's like but just sitting there quiet and being like as that thought arises be like okay I see that that's cool but God why don't you deal with that one for me and then that calls in the assistance of the higher power of this, you know, thing that we,
13:00 we can't even begin to fathom of how it, how it all works. Um, and it brings that to, to the forefront and gives the problem to them. Uh, you know, it, uh, the, the, the, the bigger thing, I don't know what exactly to call it. Like, you know, God's like one way, but you know, some people don't like that word or whatever, you know, but, um, but it's just like, you know, obviously we're you know we're all connected to everything and it's bigger and giving it up to our you know supreme higher power of um you know like yeah yeah i mean we all have different ways of
13:35 envisioning that but it's like it's like what you know your your source your your um you know like yeah i mean yeah so um so surrendering to that and just asking for that assistance is like you know one of the most divine prayers i mean also the way i pray is i always i always just thank god i'm just like thank you for this thank you for that thank you for that i'm not like all right please give me this and please give me this and make this person better i'm always just like thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks and that's how i typically pray but but
14:11 in that case where your thoughts arise you're just like that passing you take that one um and then somehow somehow you know and and the other thing you've all does is he takes a um two month one one month or two months out of his year i mean he's he's like world economic forum rich guy but but he takes one month or two months out of his year to go to vipassana retreat and so for a month or two months, he just sits there and just he's quiet. And yet somehow he's able to still write a bunch of books and, um, you know, be part of a world economic forum and give speeches about how
14:47 you're just a robot and he's going to control you and that we need a great reset. And then it's interesting to hear him talk about communism and, um, totalitarianism, whereas I feel what they're trying to do with their world economic farms, pretty communistic and totalitarianist, But I'm also pro-globalist in the sense that until we all become natural farmers and become sovereign Thomas Jefferson type of competent citizens, that we really do need the globalists to give us a thing that's going to kill most of us.
15:22 And, um, you know, if you're, if you took it, then, uh, well, you know, anyway, I don't want to get into that, but, um, but yeah, um, yeah. So, uh, Hey, how's it everyone? It's good to see you. And so anyway, that, that's what I did yesterday. It was Yuval Havari, which is actually interesting. It's always the I Ching always tends to line up with, you know, what I'm thinking. And that's, I think that's how it all works. And I think that's how, you know, it's my understanding of God is this thing where it's like things just happen to where it's like almost improbable.
15:59 Like what was, you know, out of the 64 hexagrams, we got that one, which was the one that Yuval was just talking about, like specifically. Not that he's into the I Ching or whatever, but, you know, that's how it works. I don't know. God is great. That's all I can say. But, yeah, what's up? we got cecily from western australia in the house george from latvia what's up brethren cool i hope you're doing well up there um brandon what's up bruh um the goof yeah man tyler from oklahoma who else we got i was just it's funny tyler i was just looking at your photos um i was
16:40 because i finished the um the master chow presentation i'm like oh what am i gonna do today. I gotta, gotta have something to keep it, keep it going for you folks. What's up, Pedro? Yo, aloha. Um, and, uh, Sue, I don't, I don't know. How do you say it? S E A Sue, Sue, uh, hang on one sec. Let me pull this up. Um, sent me a, oh, I think he, he actually left me a YouTube comment, but someone you've been teaching tuned in, he was talking about chickens. So, um, um yeah what's up printer bear how you man owen benjamin's podcast okay i have to check that out
17:28 um sup joe long island new york yeah if you're in long island you're like in the city huh i think right so it's like manhattan and stuff it's long island i'm pretty sure i don't know I've never been there, but, um, okay. Um, I've always had my guard on eye gates and ear gates. Oh yeah. Yeah. And if people allow sorts of crap to seep into their mind without giving it thought, yeah. Yeah. Be able to shut the gates on your eyes and your ears, but also be open-minded enough to, not just reject, like, like not, you got to hear the other side too, though, not just be like,
18:13 like, you know, like certain people, certain political candidates, they won't even listen to like one second of them. They're just like, turn it off, turn it off. It's like, you know, you gotta, you gotta at least listen to them a little bit to understand. And it's not, it's not that you, you can, you can put it up as like, like, you know, you don't have to accept what they're saying, but you do got to hear them because if you just like censorship and like, get rid of that. That's bad. It's malinformation. It's misinformation. It's like, it's still
18:41 information. And, um, you got to, you know, I Ching, um, you know, classic art of war is like, you got to know what your enemies are thinking. If you don't know what your enemies are thinking or what they're saying, then you're getting in a self-reinforcing cycle of only hearing, uh, you know, preaching to the choir, only hearing your own side and you get into this delusional bubble, right? So you got to hear what the other side is saying and just like, you don't got to accept it. Um, but you have to be willing to hear them and to hear what they're
19:09 saying because otherwise, you know, um, you'll just hear propaganda from your own side, demonizing these people. And it's like on both sides, you know, that's why I always, I always listen to a liberal stuff. I always listen to conservative stuff. I always listen to independent media. I listened to it all. Uh, not that I have to accept it and I'm putting up the eye and the ear gates to know, but, but I'm also, you know, um, open to it. So there's a, there's a fine line between all this. And, and, and the best way again, is to hear them go to the source.
19:41 Like if someone's like, someone puts a headline of so-and-so is, is a racist, then go listen to that person and to see, are they really a racist? Or is that headline just saying this, right? I'm seeing that happen with RFK junior right now, where they say, he's a, he's a racist. And it's like, well, you go listen to him and it's like, he's actually not, he's really talking about peace and love and, um, you know, rebuilding America and, um, nothing like, you know, that gets into triggering words for certain people, but, um, but really inclusive, really a great person,
20:14 but you got to go listen to him himself. Right. I see, I'm seeing that happen right now, but not that this is about politics is about farming and Joe's 30 miles East of Manhattan, but isn't Manhattan 30 miles wide? You're still in Manhattan, man. I don't, I don't know. Anyway, half of Long Island is farm country. I did not know this. I thought it was just city on top of city on top of city, but I haven't been there. Um, at least I, I flew into, um, the airport once, I think just to the airport to go to a different airline and leave. Um,
20:51 okay okay so um with all that if you guys got any questions drop them in i'll uh oh in brandon's i'm a lab for treating fungal infection my dog has an issue with her ear they have crazy wet weather here in new zealand nz new zealand and by all accounts lots of animals are suffering i wonder if lab might do the trick it might um lab is great because it'll occupy the surface and then it'll eat out the food source for other microbes and it's compatible with mammals so dogs are mammals sheep are mammals, any kind of animal that's suffering from that lactobacillus is a great thing to put on
21:37 them but if it's a severe fungal infection the sulfur works really well it's a great thing to use you can look up that disgustingly cheap sulfur and those things. So yeah, New Zealand, cool. Yeah, so any, you know, lactobacillus is always great. It's the protectors, right? You get them in there and protect things. Hang on one sec. Oh, I'm going to turn this light on because I feel like half my face is missing. Does that work better? You can see the other side of my face. I don't know.
22:20 Okay, so one thing I was thinking, well, one thing I wanted to ask is if you folks had any place you wanted me to head, any topics you wanted me to delve into. I may not get into it today, but anything you wanted me to kind of go through. I'd like to, you know, since I'm done with that presentation, it took like a month to get through. And if you missed it, it was over here. And let me just do this and drag this here and go through. And it was this presentation here where we basically went from slide one of talking about Master Chose the Farmer's Heart,
23:08 going through philosophy, going through, you know, the basics of natural farming, starting at zero, going through his whole philosophy, and then going into, you know, the soil, why you should use IMOs, you know, trees breaking rocks, you know, that's why paper always beats rock. You know, I know how to collect IMOs, how to do IMO 2, 3, 4, you know, this is, look at this, I mean, this is like this guy's soil and stuff. Like this is just epic. And this is, you know, again, Master Cho's presentation. And I covered, I covered all this. I went over it all.
23:48 So if you guys were here for the whole ride, you, you must remember how fun that was to go over this whole thing. You know, this guy jamming this rod down into the soil, which, which I can do now here. I always put in my rod for my electric fence, and I just push it into the ground. Now, I don't even have to hammer it. But talking about the difference between rice and flesh, basically, there's nitrogen, which I can tell you lately, I've been turned on to the amino acids, the can of fuel. I'm going to try a radical experiment with it.
24:27 But I think this nitrogen, this amino acids is just like the key for us. Talking about soy sauce the other week and just ever since then, I've been just like super thinking about that. And yeah, natto. Natto is great too. Natto at lab. That's great. Dealing with fungus. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so going through groundwork, no-till, all this, you know, we went through all this in detail. And I talked about each of these slides, explaining it and, you know, how to do seeds, the K&F medicine here. You know, we went through all this.
25:12 So if you missed it, go back to K&F support office hours. Go check these out. You know, how to make plant juice out of mugwort, dropwort, the bamboo shoots, kudzu, you know. um how to make it from seaweed that's always a huge question people are like can i do it from seaweed it's like yeah here it is um you know all these things you know so i'm going over it quick because i'm just reviewing but we um you know we went over the the nutritional cycle all these things um i shared with you my my slides on those my take on it um calcium what else brown rice
25:51 vinegars. So if you're just wanting the slides, you can just pause these videos. But yeah, going through all this bacterial mineral water, fermented seawater. That was so fun. Wow. We really went on a journey here. I tell you, went through all Master Cho's teachers. Yeah. So all this, going through all the microorganism, the aggregate, the structure, all these things, the pigs. And then we just finished at pigs was fun. I'm a pig farmer. Then we just finished up the chickens here. So we went through all that. So if you missed it,
26:34 go back, find the things they're always at the, they're kind of at the end of the last presentations. Um, and I may just aggregate all those into one presentation. Um, who knows? also Suze I'm looking at my thing here but I've been building some things with Unreal Engine but Suze has been working a heck of a lot on the office hours getting the table of contents together I haven't uploaded them all yet but I probably will do that after this but office hours if you go here and you look a lot of the table of contents are going to be there So those will be searchable here.
27:15 You're going to search, you know, Master Cho. And, you know, all the times we talked about Master Cho. And all these table of contents, Suze has been on it making them. So it tells you, like, what minute you're looking for certain things, you know. Saying what's up to the good folks at Office Hour. Yeah. so um mold growing on knf pour off fan mail from mike in oklahoma i think that's not how you spell oklahoma but um fan mail gifts all these things so um golden plow modeling moles tunneling this
28:01 guy was who's staying here right now he was telling me about this apparently i already know about it the golden plow um but anyway it's great tons of content out there um and also just because I can right now in, um, can I farm.com got a course coming up? Got, uh, three folks, um, coming from all over here to come to November, January is still open though. Um, so, um, but yeah, it's, uh, it's good. Put out the classes. People come here, learn. It's a great experience doing all that. Um, and good fun. So check it out. Can I farm.com sign up for a class,
28:40 come be part of learning natural farming, get the taste, the smell, the full hands-on tactile experience and become a better person. Hopefully, uh, good friends, all that, you know, keep in touch, do all those things. Um, and Pedro says it's the best experience ever, right? Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Thanks man. Yeah. It was, it was tons of fun. It was really, you know, a good group cooking in the kitchen and um that's good that's good it's every time i've had fun um i think yeah so um and then uh oh pedro was asking about the microscope so let's just go to shooting darts yeah that was
29:31 pretty much i haven't been shooting darts lately yeah i need to um so i'm gonna go to my channel here and um the microscope if you're interested in the microscope um the microscope the microscope so i'm not on my channel here you know click on the thing below like subscribe um put some brazilian jazz on here yeah that was fun uh right here is the microscope though elaine ingham common ground 2012 soil food web maybe i should call it the microscope course um but all is especially this a playlist right so if i get out if i go to default view instead
30:19 in my theater mode. It will show the playlist here. And so got David Fortes introducing everyone, but it starts from the beginning to the end. This is like a 28 hours thing, but the microscope, she really gets into it here. Excuse me, not here. It's number five here, this one. So the microscope going through, you know, we're sitting around here, learning about the microscope. and this is Elaine looking through the microscope. I'll mute her a little bit. This is her looking through the microscope and live up on the projector. We are projecting what she's looking through.
31:05 So if you want to learn about the microscope, Elaine is the world expert on it, one of the OGs, originators of looking at live soil cultures. and looking through and seeing. And so I think I'll switch the camera angle up there in a minute. But this is her just explaining what the heck she's seeing because we're here. We don't know what we're looking at, right? We've been doing IMOs for a few years at this point and we never analyzed it. And she's the premier person about doing analysis. And so here's her just as she's explaining it, how she'll like scan through what she's looking for,
31:45 what she wants to see um you know and you so you get to see and it's really um it's really pretty informative of how you know i think she's just scanning for nematodes right then you know it's a quick scan at 10 times power just to look for some nematodes i don't think she found any um nice sticks though look at those sticks wow um and she says that nematodes usually go to the sides That's why she's viewing the side. Oh, there's a nematode. And she found one at 10 times power. See? I don't know if you... You know, it's a video of a video at this point. But she found one.
32:21 It's over there wiggling around. Oh, there's another one. Look at that one. Wiggling around. So she found another nematode. And so to then identify what it is, she'll zoom in and look at its mouth. And if it's moving around too fast, she'll put a lighter under it and heat it up a little bit. but the nematodes hate the light the heat from the light is pushing them towards the edge so here's her zooming in a little bit more just going to look at the mouth of that nematode to find out what kind of nematode it is but nematodes are cool, they're little snakes doing their thing what's up?
32:58 how you willy? so yeah that's the microscope video it's on here on the channel looking at protozoans going around. What else? I don't know, but it's fun. It's good to look at those things. And then let's see what else, but this whole, this whole presentation that she talks about, you know, she talked, here's more microscope, but she, she really talks about, you know, how to do analysis of soil food web, how to do the whole thing. So, So, you know, like what makes, you know, you want to have, you know, what are the fungal categories when you're looking through them?
33:43 You know, all this is great to do analysis on your own Korean natural farming. If you do have a microscope. And she doesn't necessarily do any natural farming that I'm aware of, but she does compost farming and that's almost the same. it's just one small slice of korean natural farming but this whole deal this whole presentation here um you know you want some long form you want to sit there you want to meditate you want to go through it this here is uh you know pretty good so with that um the other thing i was thinking
34:21 if you guys have any questions let me know happy to answer those but the other thing i was thinking that I would get into today. Um, and I wanted to, wanted to invite you guys, um, gals, fun guys, fun gals, invite you to, um, to let me know, hit me up if you are interested in, um, getting an interview on here, sharing some experience. I think it would be good since I've been so much on the presentation and be good to like, um, you know, side by side, like zoom call you or something and then live it to everyone of us, you know, talking about successes, different things, ask questions that way.
35:01 I did it a couple of times with George, a few other folks. So if you're interested, hit me up. Let me know. Drake at pureknf.org is my email for this. And let me know if you want to be on there, on here with me, with me and doing this because I think it's really valuable for people to hear sharebacks from other folks and to understand what's going on. And if you want to get certified in KNF, come to the KNF farm, knffarm.com. Come check it out. It's good stuff. So what I wanted to do right now, the rest of this office hour, maybe if you have any questions, let me know though. I'll answer.
35:49 I'm just going to go over a few I was going to show you guys what it's like cool so hit me up drake at pureknf.org I'll just drop it in the chat right now send me an email and we'll get the connection details together but I wanted to share with you this here which um what is this well this is when i go to korea i always take pictures of that kringlish because it says this is disposable shower sponge for body you had better use this sponge with soap or body cleanser you should feel the satisfaction with refreshing awesome
36:38 awesome but always i always i always kind of laugh at the kringlish translations it's like they it's like they use chat GPT to translate everything before you know chat GPT maybe like two or three five um yeah and the course here yeah it's a week long it's seven days of like intensive stuff like we don't just go go go and you know it's like drinking from the fire hose so but um yeah so if you come here and you get get into the class like you will learn more KNF than you ever thought was possible. Because I've been doing this for like 15 years, 20 years, I
37:21 don't know, long time now, I'm getting old. And so I just share everything I know when you get here, everything I know with you as quick as you know, as much as you can tolerate. We'll just keep going. So what I wanted to share with you here, this is, you know, this is my trip. So when I've been to Korea, I don't know, more than a dozen times, a bunch. And this is one trip that I went where the first thing we did is we got in and we stayed with Young Song Cho. So here, let me put on my little mouse highlighter here. That doesn't even work here. But this is
38:01 Young Song Cho here. This is David Wong. And this is that guy. And, you know, we went to Korea. um you know used to be a lot of unity in the korean natural farming movement and uh you know before people uh started to betray each other um and so we wanted to um so i wanted to share this with you dr parkman he is a hero amongst heroes he brought korean natural farming to the western world um and we so we got to cruise and we got in his van with young song cho and we went around the country. Um, so here's us getting out of the hotel first night, getting there. And we got in
38:47 this van with Young Sang Cho and Ray Yoon and we cruised around. Um, and it's kind of funny in Korea, they have this app that tells you where the speed traps are. So when you, you know, everyone speeds until the phone tells them to slow down and then they slow down and they don't get tickets. It's kind of, it's pretty funny actually. Um, and so here's us, you know, look at that quality air in Korea cruising through the bridge, coming across this bridge from Seoul, uh, you know, going, going by the airport, high quality air. Um, but look at that, man, this chemical factory
39:25 down there at Babylon industrial Korea. Um, and Pedro wanted to know how to make more acidic vinegar well if you start with fruit like this this is grapes and you then start to um you got to cook it down you got to concentrate the vinegar to make it more acidic and that's that's the way to make it more acidic is to um cook it down after you make it so make up you know a can of food with the vinegar um and then cook it down and you will make it more acidic So make a regular vinegar and then make it more acidic. What the heck? Why is my that popping up? Let's go back to this one.
40:10 Make that one pop up. I made my thing not as big as I wanted it to be. That's okay. Oh, my waiver, my desktop. I want it to stay over here. Stay over here and show that. Okay. I'm just going to go with this size because that's where it is. and the vinegar does not necessarily solubilize certain rocks. I mean, it'll dissolve things that are basic. It'll dissolve basic rocks, but it won't dissolve any and all rocks, you know. And that's not the way that they're making the... They're not making the water minerals that way.
40:56 They're not doing it with vinegar. uh it's a different process but um so yeah um that panhandle of oklahoma breathing glyphosate and dirt yeah we're poisoning the earth and killing it everywhere globally first time i went to korea i cried a little bit when i first landed there because i'm like they're killing the earth here too um yeah so we went to this grape farm and this guy grows amazing grapes um and he uses some natural farming he's really what he's using is a ton of charcoal so biochar and IMOs into his ground and then he'll trellis up these things and if you look at it
41:36 you'll see only a few vines coming from the ground up and then he trellises them all hanging above so that the grapes hang down and he does a lot of um um he does a lot of different um you know he basically doesn't do too much he puts a lot of the the um biochar down and sprays some microbes and the grapes do great um and he also has this uh this is looking at the ground do you see the amount of char that's there like i don't know if you can see the charcoal in there but he also just grows a ground cover of clover and lets you You know, people sometimes are like, you got to get off the ground.
42:20 You got to make it clean. Like, look at this. There's a grape leaf falling to the ground and just decomposing. And he's not worried about this spreading disease or rotting or anything. It's because this is so fertile and so lush. And walking in here, it was so lush. And, you know, so we're just looking at all the grapes. And he puts these packages on them, you know, each one, each thing. Because they're high value there. You know, he's going to make like $10 off each cluster of grapes kind of thing. And so he has this, it's all inside a greenhouse. It's not outside, it's in a greenhouse.
42:57 And, you know, he's trellising these things up along these poles and everything. And you can see he drives his machine through and he does spray something on them. I'm not exactly sure. But here's the leaf just decomposing, you know, not worried about the disease spreading. But look at the amount of char again. There's so much char. That's the key. You really want to have something super productive like this. Just put charcoal everywhere. And then on the back here, these logs over here, these are mushroom logs. So you can tell he's also growing mushrooms underneath.
43:29 So he's inoculated and drilled into these and put all spores in there. He's going to grow. I don't know if it should cut shiitakes or something like that. But again, looking at the ground, grapes falling, right? He's not worried about that. He's not worried about cleaning it up. Grapes falling, good soil. ground cover coming in doing his thing here's Yong Song Cho he claimed that this dude was doing you know, Jadab farming, but I don't think he really was I forget, I should go watch the video again but getting through, I mean, the key is
44:03 you got a soil like this, you're not going to have problems you got this much char in there you're not going to have problems, I mean, look, Yong Song Cho is even happy, it's rare and then here's his other system. So he is doing some fertigation. So he's doing two things. One is here, you know, this, this, um, this system here, he's mixing his mixes into here with water and ferticating these out. This here is also a, uh, I think it's a, um, a low pressure brewer, like a heated insulated brewer thing for doing some microorganism type of stuff. And then this here is a spraying vehicle. So this
44:40 tracked thing that he can load in and drive under everything and spray up onto his canopy and into his leaves. So he's doing some sort of fertigation. And here's, you know, look at his pump. And I think this is the water. And then he puts his solutions in this, and then he'll suck it out with a venturi into this system, which then pumps it out there. So his water puts his solutions in here. And then this, he'll crack one of these valves right there enough so that as the water is flowing, it'll start to draw this water in and then pump it out. And then, so there's some of his solutions there.
45:18 And so he's able to do, you know, he is doing some fertigation, which is smart in a system like this. And then I think this, this was his low pressure drum or something that he was heating up. I don't know exactly. I should watch the video again, but that's why I take video because I, my mind, you know, it's not only so much you can remember, but here's a greenhouse where I can roll up the edges and manage it, keep it cool in the summer and warm in the winter. And this is looking at his greenhouse from the outside. So he also has a, it's dual greenhouse, so it's insulated.
45:55 So he has one cover on the outside, then another cover inside. And then he can also vent the top if he needs to. And then we were enjoying some delicious grapes. And he talked story to us for a while. Ray translated it very kindly. Um, but these grapes were just amazing. They're seeded grapes, which is kind of interesting in America. It's all about seedless grapes, but these are seeded grapes and they're pretty good. Um, and so he's organic doing his thing. His thing is called star farm. And, um, that's the farmer himself, man. Look how awesome he is. He's happy.
46:30 he's stoked he's making money um and then here's his plaque i don't know what that says maybe someone can read it um and then looking at the grapes these amazing grapes he gave us a whole bunch after that we then went to this restaurant and um started to eat and this was just the first course i did not know so i ate until i was full and that was the first course of three which is common in Korea, I guess, or at least when you go into a high-end restaurant and it was like, oh my gosh, it was pretty darn delicious, but, um, I way overate and look at David Wong. He's
47:09 like, I don't eat. I have cancer, but he's doing good. Now he recovered kimchi soup. Love that stuff. Um, all these weird little dishes of goodness, different fermented things, different fishes, different sauces. Koreans really know how to eat well. Um, and then miso soup and what else? All that goodness. And then here's this like typical Korean street, you know, all these, all these nice work trucks they have. And there's the restaurant. And then we went to a pig farm. So, um, I have not read Oliver who signs course on redox chemistry.
47:53 Maybe Partita did. She's pretty smart in chemistry. And phosphorus solubilization by actobactors. Yep. That's why they're in the IMO. That's why the IMO is so powerful at cleaning up any poisons, any residual like glyphosates, glyphosates. you know um and so here's us at the pig farm posing looking good um and again this is just like an example of those no smell pigs i was talking about last time this one is you know they're raising them for commercial meat these these pigs are about to be sold off at this point
48:35 um they're about reaching their maximum capacity but they're on a deep litter system this guy did not put logs down. He just put in rice holes and made rice holes about four feet deep. There was a tiny bit of smell with this because this density of pigs and that there was a little bit of smell, but not much. I mean, it wasn't horrendous by any means. It was just, you know, you could smell their urine a little bit mainly. And if you put the logs down and he'd done the whole system and he had inoculated better, probably wouldn't be as much smell, but he was running pretty high
49:07 density. This guy was doing a huge operation and the way he designed it was that so he could, there's the farmer there. Uh, he had this auto feeder coming down for them, which master Cho always like, we went, we went to the same farm with master Cho and master Cho was like, this guy doesn't have enough heart for all his animals, but you know, he's, he's doing well. He's, he's, you know, making money and doing the thing. And, um, and we did have to wear the Tyvek suits, but he basically has it set up so that he can, after he's done with the pigs,
49:37 he will lift all these things out and be able to drive his skid steer in here and harvest all this material. And I think that's really how he was making his money as he was selling the pig floor to other organic farms as a compost thing. And, you know, I'm always impressed by the machinery that they have in Korea. I would, you know, if I had one of these at my farm, it'd be so cool. I'd really love to get a machine like this. But different things that you see, you know, organic swine feed. He's just feeding them pellets here. It's certified organic.
50:13 And this is an example of his piggery where, you know, this is what it looks like. So he can drive his skid steer in here and harvest all this stuff really easily. So he has a concrete floor and he can just come in here and just clean these things and sell that material. So that's how he was doing it and making it work for him. You know, obviously you see how these feeders and everything are up. It's because that, um, this whole bottom would be filled with rice holes and that's how he was running the system. And here's it, you know, I think someone was ready to be harvested type of
50:47 thing. Um, and yeah, so he would, he would, or maybe that was the dirt. Maybe this one didn't have a concrete floor. Maybe he's like fixing that one. I don't know. Again, there's a video of this, but yeah, so this is just looking at his operation from the side. So I'm always impressed with just the infrastructure these guys have. His roof, where he had the slot, you know, it heats up, sucks the air out. So you get to see a practical example of what we're talking about in the presentation. Here's his auto feeders. You know, he dumps the feed in here and then it runs it
51:24 through these augers up and brings it out to his different pig pens um so he just dumps it in these augers move the food up there's young songs man and some silage i don't know what he was doing with that i didn't ask um so looking at that um here's again just the pig operation these you know he has the nice curved roof. He went with the Master Cho curved roof design. Um, so he's, he's, you know, he's taking what Master Cho said and then like scaling it up. And I think this was like a thousand pig operations, something like that. Um, I think it might've been a thousand
52:05 pigs and like 800 sows or something. I don't know. It was huge. But then we went, then we went to, I think this is a pepper farm, experimental pepper farm at a university. So these guys are doing different trials at a Korean university. And this guy was using a bunch of, that's Jadam sulfur, and that's Jadam wetting agent. So the soap and the sulfur, liquid sulfur that he's using. And here's his water softener. So if you're going to use the soap, it's important to do it with soft water. And he's running this water softener so you can take the well water, soften the water
52:43 before it runs into his lines. I think that's a filter, but that's a water softener. And then he would be, he's doing these peppers and he had next to no disease on the peppers, which usually these peppers are super susceptible, especially in this greenhouse, especially the way, you know, commercial raising, he's raising them commercially. He's just using the wetting agent and the sulfur. And he's apparently using a little bit too much because you can see burning on the tips. so he was going a little bit heavy but I think this was his experiment what he was doing
53:18 but look at all these really nice peppers that he's getting out of here and there's me with the peppers and here's him his name was Nam, Professor Nam I remember when I was with Professor Nam and so there's Yong Sang Cho and he advised him to ease up a little bit on it. You're burning a few things. And for some reason, this one plant died. I don't know what happened, but I was just looking at, you know, the peppers. Is there any disease on them? Looking nice. It looks like that one's being eaten right there. Is that just me?
53:59 Maybe not. But he was doing a good job. They were really looking awesome. And he's just doing an experiment. It's always fun to take things and make it, you know, a scientific experiment where then he can write a paper and get credentials and then further people can look at it and be like oh this actually works because they don't just trust people I don't know it's a weird world we live in for sure but here was this university and this was one of the major agricultural universities in Korea and we're going to go inside and see the natural or national institute of horticulture and
54:35 Herbal Sciences. I'm sure some people want to get a degree in herbal science. I definitely do. Oh, bro, what you can degree in? Herbal Science? Yeah, bro. But it looks like it started in 1953. You're the snake. They must love controlling things. And they had all these... Notice, press the button in the sink. I love the Kringlish. press the button in the sink beep beep beep beep and then later on that tour I guess that was, was that it? no, we went to a bunch of trash compactors and stuff but Joe the goofball again coming over Korea
55:22 the whole crew man, Bolo San Auntie Chai or Auntie Chris, Auntie Chai and yeah so then we went look at that that was yeah where's the pictures from the pear orchard they didn't make it in I don't know but we got this pear from that pear orchard I know there's a video of it and then we went to where is this I can't think of the name oh man Kung Cook University and went to this ag symposium here.
56:07 And then we had all these presentations by all these guys, like these African guys come to Korea to study natural farming. I think he's from Ghana or Zambia or something. I know sometimes some people from Tanzania tune in, But there are some great African folks that have been, you know, studied in Korea and got PhDs in KNF. And, you know, so you got this whole thing where all these speakers went through. This guy was from Afghanistan. And so they all talked about it, you know.
56:55 Yeah. so taking photos of them but we went through a whole yeah professor kim uh where was he not that guy that guy but um he you know so each person gave their um their presentation on this so if you're interested in their phd presentations i i did video this as well it's uh again it's on my, on my YouTube channel, man. What a, what a rich YouTube channel that I share. Um, but look for it and it's called, um, you know, natural farming symposium. I think you'll find it. Um, so here going through, um, yeah. So each of these things, you know, um, talking then afterwards,
57:45 We went to the coffee laboratory, just Korean street food, Korean, you know, walking around. There's a Maricano, four types, cafe latte, four types. It's important you put that outside that you have four types of coffee at the laboratory. And hanging out, talking about Jesus and good things he's done in our lives with these three, these two folks here. Hope he's still doing good things for those people's lives because they need him. and but he's talking about chickens this guy studying chickens studying all these things so
58:19 i'll go through this a little quicker but all these interesting facts where they've done these studies like you know on trichostima orchid animal leaves you know leaf powder so this is some sort of powdery leaf mold um you know that he's studying and you know when you get into the science. But Master Cho came to talk to us and he was like, yo, you guys got this. And this was like all these people studying and getting PhDs in, you know, what he taught. So this guy kind of synthesized and brought together all this stuff. And then all these other people got PhDs.
58:58 And then this guy brought it to America. And then this guy's bringing it to China and Taiwan. and just these amazing legends sitting down with these great people. And Professor Kim, man, he's amazing. Started the first natural farming PhD program in the world. And then we got to go hang out and share with him what we're doing because we're on the ground doing this. And look at this amazing Korean food, grapes and Jell-O. I don't know what else that is, but Dr. Park on the phone, always busy. doing his thing and the hawaiians look i guarantee everyone else is done eating the hawaiians still
59:39 eating hawaiians love to eat and um you know the hawaiian crew unreal um and this this is the afghani dude um so if you're in afghanistan look up this dude he works for the department of ag there he knows what's up um i don't know his name but They have it somewhere. And then again, eating. I can tell you every time we go to Korea, we eat. We eat well. This isn't Muju. Eating, eating, eating. Look at all that good food. This is after we're done eating. There's that much food left over. It's like no wonder they raise a bunch of pigs there. That kimchi chige. Oh, that's my favorite right there.
1:00:23 And checking out Jesus. This Jesus was in a cool posture. He was leaning forward and flying. It was pretty cool. But going to Muju. do it or is it is it goksong no it's a goksong sorry it wasn't it's not muju it's goksong sorry sorry but going to the uh korean uh learning center checking out their learning center you know they have this demonstration center all dedicated to master chose methods teaching people all these things going through looking at this they're even growing taro there kalo um and then look at these different rices with these different things experiments
1:01:00 all the preps you know taking the bones charring them making the the dilutions the solutions taking the oyster shells making those charred not charred but uh toasted um you know making it sesame seeds making the uh phosphorus here charred sesame seed and then what is this one charred tobacco stocks making the um phosphorus potassium one of those one is phosphorus one is potassium um and then you know here's what it looks like when it's dissolved into the solution but look at this it's like this learning center is pretty epic talking about the different um
1:01:43 fermented plant juices different things fruit juices making a can of foods these different ways making the K&F medicine with the garlic, cinnamon, licorice, angelica. And so this place is pretty cool. If you haven't seen the video check it out. But going through, seeing all these things, you know different flowers that they're using for different things. Bruce Lee over there. And then this learning center. This is where we did the poultry training. So if you've seen that, we do a lot of training stuff in this building here. I'm not sure what that is. Seeds, maybe. Seeds of some
1:02:26 sort. All the grass trials, race trials, race trials. Look at this nice conference room. If I had more funding, I would build something like this. Bathroom, you know, important, most important place. And outside of the training center. And then they have this equipment rental area that's over here. They rent all this equipment to people at a super subsidized price. And then talking about the microbes, moles, very important, worms, all the microbes, all these things that we talked about. Look at these evil pathogens. That's pretty cool.
1:03:07 And then the happy garlic and happy, I don't know what that is, but look at these people there. They're happy too. They're like, yeah, we can farm with our kids because we're not poisoning them. hey thanks stone mason thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks oh you'd be happy man i've just been mixing mortar mix i i actually melted all my fingers off but i built this cool wall for my river and now i can uh now it worked oh by the way i survived a tropical storm this past week i don't know if anyone um you know it wasn't bad but lived through almost a hurricane
1:03:40 so anyway here's these dudes so wrapping it up we'll go through we'll just finish up this little bit here of going through the learning center you know this is where they do all the ferments farmers actually come here and ferment with them so if you can start something like this where you're at just build a small little greenhouse bring farmers have them start fermenting make it easy for everyone do these things you know show them all the things these are the different rocks that go in the BMW, all those things. Here's the BMW machine.
1:04:13 I show this in another video for sure of it operating, doing its thing, the recycling pump, all that. We talked about that, different rocks. This is Elvinrock, pretty cool stuff. I'm not sure what that is, but it's awesome, other awesome rock. Maybe that's Elvinrock. I don't know, one of those is Elvinrock, one's basalt. So put a little timer on this to run every 15 minutes. Just filters this around. Makes really good BMW water. Here it is running. Yeah. There's their pump on there. Pretty awesome. And yeah, I like the BMW. And this is what it looks like when the water falls into there.
1:04:59 It falls on all these rocks. It drops about three meters down onto these rocks, about 10 feet drops onto these rocks. And then the water circulates around with IMOs floating in there. And then they had a huge IMO machine. This is a low pressure heated vacuum to put the stuff in. This is also Mr. Cho. He's the researcher in charge of this whole facility. Little composting thing that they built out of bamboo. Put the stuff in there. It's like a Sioux, Johnson Sioux bioreactor. Where they'll put stuff in there and ferment it that way. And then this lady also runs the facility.
1:05:40 This was Master Cho's squeeze before he met Mrs. Cho. And she still has got the natural farming fever and still runs this facility. Yeah, it melted through my fingers. It actually made blood come out. It's crazy. I learned to wear gloves when I use mortar mix. But yeah. But here's the, you know, facility, this awesome ag office and the Gukseung County emblem. And then check out this sprayer vehicle. It's the last little bit of today. But look at this sprayer vehicle. It runs this fan through and then these misting nozzles. You can just drive this thing around and it has a generator
1:06:24 and a pump under it and a huge tank in it. And look at that thing, this, this here spraying the water out and then it puts all this mist into that air. Like, and it's this thing. So this, this has a huge fan in it that you can rotate wherever in those misting nozzles are in the tip of this thing. And so you can just drive down the field, spraying all this natural farming. Like this is cool tech. If you're really going to go big, you should get one of these vehicles. and yeah there's the fan sucks the air in and then it can rotate here and rotate there so you can
1:06:59 you know pretty much angle it wherever you want and this thing was and then there's this big thousand ground thousand liter tank I guess probably probably a thousand liters I would assume it's a thousand because this is a thousand fw fv and I think maybe that's a filter on there I don't know, maybe an injector or something. But, you know, here's the generator under there, the pump running all this. And pretty amazing vehicle. And then these spray reels. So you could go out and spray just by on hand or on foot if you wanted to, you know, with these spray reels. And this whole thing running.
1:07:39 But this, amazing, man. I got to get a Bongo 3 and put these on the back. I'd be the, you know. yeah the hydraulics here and all that but this was a cool vehicle a generator, they got a Kohler a Command Pro also they're using an American engine you'd think they'd use a Honda or a Kia instead of Kohler engine driving that thing big tank and you just drive from up here and you get this little video monitor, you can see where you're spraying as you're driving. You know, all these things to operate all the back and cruising. So that's
1:08:24 the, and then the Gokseung Castle, it's right near the agricultural ministry, you know, and yeah, then we're headed out to go through the countryside. So anyway, I want to share a little bit of Korea with you guys. I don't know. Hopefully that's a fun, exciting, interesting for you. I do got more. I would love to interview some of you folks, get into the deepness of natural farming and go into it. So if you do send me an email, um, or, you know, let's, uh, let's do something good. Cause I, you know, I've answered a lot of questions. There's 85 episodes out there.
1:09:01 So if you're interested in learning, go check out the past episodes, knfsupport.com. Thanks the pure canna foundation thanks to master cho pure canna f the whole crew that is behind me that you don't even see that makes this stuff happen because i'm just one guy doing my thing i'm really happy to be here with you guys today thanks for tuning in from all over the world go grow great things teach natural farming together we can do it and to make the world just a little bit better tiny tiny tiny bit better thanks pedro keep doing the good work down in brazil thanks
1:09:38 willie keep it up in new zealand all you guys and gals really appreciate you tuning in i'll see you next week korean natural farming out peace love love