Noni Plant Juice, IMO3 Storage, DIY Water Softener
Drake covers noni plant juice, comparing home-made KNF juice to a store noni product selling for $152 a gallon, and explains why traditional jar-fermented noni (left to sweat whole) smells bad compared to the fermented plant juice method, which takes about five days instead of months.
He breaks down Dr. Zach Bush's ION gut supplement, made mostly of humic and fulvic acid and water and sold for $72 for 32 ounces, against buying bulk fulvic acid (around $27 a pound, or $225 for 50 pounds) and making your own. Susanna Goodmanson's PureKNF monthly meeting on gut health and the GAPS diet also gets a mention.
On IMO: keep IMO3 under 120°F while cooking, store it in breathable burlap sacks, and use it before it ages into IMO4, or moths and maggots move in. Yeast isn't a core KNF recipe because it occurs naturally in fermented plant juice and other solutions, but Cho's book lists it as Recipe 11.
For pests, Drake recommends an herbal solution over plant juice: boil mint in water until it reduces by half, then dilute roughly 1:100 with soap and spray. The Madaj deep dive returns to water softeners, a soap-suds test for hard water, Master Cho's DIY inline resin softener, leaf mold microbe counts, and cover crops like rye and vetch that build fertility instead of stealing it.
Questions answered
- 6:23 Jen from Maui asked about trimming her noni tree for plant juice — Yes, noni makes a great plant juice, and you can make it at home for a fraction of the $152-a-gallon store price.
- 13:14 Marty asked about keeping IMO3 temperature in check — Keep IMO3 under 120°F while it's cooking.
- 14:05 Is jar-fermented noni (letting whole fruit sweat) a good method? — Drake isn't a fan — it smells like rats and tastes like puke; he prefers the fermented plant juice method instead.
- 16:26 What was covered in the PureKNF monthly meeting? — Susanna Goodmanson shared seven years of using lactic acid bacteria serum and the GAPS diet to restore gut health.
- 18:53 How does Dr. Zach Bush's ION gut supplement compare to KNF? — It's mostly humic and fulvic acid plus water, selling for $72 for 32 ounces — Drake says you can make the same thing far cheaper at home.
- 27:36 How do you keep maggots out of IMO3? — Store it in breathable burlap sacks and use it before it ages into IMO4, or moths and maggots move in.
- 28:19 Is yeast one of the core KNF recipes? — No — yeast occurs naturally in fermented plant juice and other solutions, though Cho's book gives a standalone yeast recipe, Recipe 11.
- 35:34 Would a mint plant juice help dissuade pests? — Better to make a mint herbal solution — boil mint in water down by half, then dilute about 1:100 with soap and spray.
- 38:20 Can IMO be used against fruit flies (IPMO)? — Yes — Drake points to Chris Anthony's and Stephen Cornett's work on IPMO for fruit flies.
- 43:05 Why use a water softener for sprays? — Hard water keeps nutrients from spreading on the leaf; a soap-suds test shows whether your water is soft enough.
- 45:19 How do you build a DIY water softener? — Master Cho's kit uses an inline ion-exchange resin filter that hard water passes through before spraying.
- 50:31 How many microbes are in a gram of leaf mold soil? — Cho's slide counts roughly 30,000 protozoans, 50,000 algae, 400,000 fungi, and billions of bacteria per gram.
- 53:26 What's the simple seedling treatment with leaf mold? — Dilute microbe-rich leaf mold soil in water and set seedling trays in it; roots pull in visible microbes within days.
- 55:30 How should you manage soil temperature in summer? — Black plastic can push one-centimeter soil to 114°F, while soil six inches down stays near 86°F — mulch instead of plastic keeps it cooler.
- 58:27 Do cover crops like rye and vetch steal nutrients from trees? — No — chop and drop them and the nutrients recycle back into the soil, building fertility instead of stealing it.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Intro & I Ching: Breakthrough
- 6:23 Noni Juice: DIY vs Store-Bought
- 13:14 IMO3 Temperature Limits
- 14:05 Traditional Jar-Fermented Noni vs FPJ
- 16:26 PureKNF Meeting: Gut Health & GAPS Diet
- 18:53 Zach Bush's ION Product vs DIY Fulvic Acid
- 27:36 Covering IMO3 to Prevent Maggots
- 28:19 Yeast in KNF Solutions
- 35:34 Mint: Plant Juice vs Herbal Pest Solution
- 40:24 Back to Madaj: 5000 Years of Soil
- 43:05 Water Softener Basics & Soap Test
- 45:19 DIY Inline Water Softener
- 50:31 Microbes in Leaf Mold Soil
- 53:26 Seedling Treatment with Leaf Mold Water
- 55:30 Summer Temperature Management
- 58:27 Cover Crops: Rye and Vetch
- 1:03:20 Closing & Next Week Preview
Transcript
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1:30 Hey, aloha. Oh, uh, welcome to office hours for Korean natural farming, uh, for July 21st, 2024. coming to you. It's 9am here in Hawaii, so coming to you wherever you are around the world. Good day, good night, good morning, good times. So, got an hour to ask any question on Korean natural farming.
2:20 Had some good questions come in this week. Folks reaching out all over different ways. Also some folks buying the book. I gotta ship those out. You know, sometimes it's pretty busy this week, so getting to that and sending those your way. But other than that, welcome, enjoy, and put any questions you got in the chat. What's up, Goofman? How you bridging? Good to see you, man. And yeah, so before we get into it, we'll start with a bit of higher wisdom. So today we got breakthrough or resoluteness. Sup, Thomas? Yo. So a breakthrough. Do not be drawn back into bad habits. So the arrival of
3:11 Kauai indicates that a long-awaited change is at hand. A difficulty that has oppressed you over a long period is now about to dissolve, and it's important to respond in a proper way. There's a temptation in obtaining relief to fall into the traps of the ego. Pride at having dispersed the trouble. Self-righteousness about having triumphed through correctness. Anger at one who we think is the source of the problem. or a desire to remain free of all difficulty in the future.
3:57 None of these responses is appropriate to the situation at hand. What we need now is resoluteness, a firm commitment to continuing the battle for good and to the self-examination that makes all good things possible. It is not a time to lapse back into a negative mental habits and enjoy the vacation provided by the breakthrough. Do not rest on your laurels, but push forward, deepening your inner strength and your resistance to the influence of inferiors, both in yourself and in others.
4:49 strengthen those around you by setting an example of self-improvement and self-correction great progress and good fortune are now available to one who makes use proper use of the opening yeah so uh like the doors we broke on through to the other side I guess, you know, doing good things, trying to be a good person, trying to show up, trying to support our community. Uh, you know, we've been covering Madag here for this whole year. Oh my gosh, we're already in July, seven months of Madag. Hopefully you are a Madag expert by now
5:32 because it really only takes a day or two to learn about, but there's a ton to it. You know, some of the most simple things are some of the most complex and some of the things that look so easy. You know, it's kind of that 80-20 rule. You did, you know, 20% of the work, or you did 80% of the work. Wait, you did. Yeah. When you, well, when you think you're 80% done, you're still 80% away. I think it's the way it works. I don't know. Anyway, 80-20 rule of like 20%, you know, you think you're so close to something and there's still tons to do. So break on through, getting the bedage.
6:15 Found that bedage presentation, so we were going through that at the end of the office hours here. But if you have any questions, let me know. Here to help, here to answer. I was able to, someone, Jen from Maui, YouTubed me. It's not always that I get YouTube comments. but I did and I answered one but she was asking about noni she was wanting to trim her noni tree and asking if that would be a good plant juice, absolutely noni is if you don't know, I'll just pull it up over here, we'll get some noni on let's see here, get this thing
7:00 like that and let's transition over there pull up, what is noni, right I don't know if you guys know what noni is but here's here's some people selling some tahiti trader noni healthy 32 ounce here's some noni pills here's some more noni juice the you know 160 dollars for this um which you could easily this looks like uh maybe four bottles of plant juice there how much let's let's check on this amazon not brought to you by this but uh let's see how much are they giving you four one liter bottles for $152. So I always think, you know, $33 a bottle. So if you are selling a plant juice,
7:46 you could easily make this. What is it? What is the actual ingredients of this thing though? But you could probably make a noni plant juice like this at your own home and save yourself, you know, four liters. What is that? Like, that's basically a gallon for $152. So when you're trying to value your plant juice and trying to sell it, these folks are simply selling this at $152 a gallon. So you could easily make this at home. What else is in it? Let's see. What else are they putting in there? What does it say? It's potent. It's pure. It's powerful,
8:24 right? That's what you got to remember. So when you make these plant juices, oh, look, and you can sit here and Zen meditate. Look at that. This also, does it also two decades of noni grape goodness and blueberry benefits so they're also putting in grapes and blueberries so it's not even straight up noni um you're getting something with other things in there um let's see what where are the ingredients i have to scroll all the way down there's reviews of it tastes like puke no um i'm sure it tastes good i'm sure they're doing a plant juice recipe
9:02 Okay, here. Ingredients. All natural noni juice with blueberry and grape. So they're not even just giving you pure noni juice here. They're giving you these other things too. And they're selling it to you for $152 a gallon. So if you went home and you got, you know, well, I don't know where you're going to get the noni if you're in, you know, it seems to be something that grows in the tropics, but let's go see Noni. Is there a Noni telling me, you know, the worst source out there? But let's just go see the safety benefits, what this result gives you, which is probably,
9:41 you know, if it's a suggested result, it's probably terrible. But it comes from Morinda Citrifolia. Noni is a lumpy mango-sized fruit. I've seen them bigger than mangoes. It's been used in folk medicine for over 2,000 years, commonly used to help issues like constipation, infections, pain, and arthritis. Sounds like I should eat more of the noni. So, let's see here. It has no fat. So, if you're into low fat, no sugar, although you're going to add sugar by fermenting it. Let's see. Can you make this a bit bigger so you can see it here?
10:26 It has magnesium, potassium, calcium, vitamin E, all those things. Biotin, whatever biotin is, folates. You know, you got to get your folates for the day. But, you know, you make anoni juice, powerful antioxidants. So that's another good thing for what it has in it. What's up, Rainbow Possum? How's you? potential benefits of noni juice. Potential, right? There's nothing certain about this, but may reduce cellular damage from tobacco smoke. So if you're a smoker and you want to restore cellular damage that you've done to yourself, do some noni. So just, you know, take a
11:14 bong rip of tobacco and then a bong rip of noni, right? free radicals gets rid of antioxidants may support health and smokers so if you're out there smoking make sure you're doing your noni may improve endurance during exercise as they say in korea stamina um so this looks good um may relieve pain in people with arthritis so if you got the arthritis. Noni is for you. And may improve immune health. May. May improve immune health. I think they have to, you know, they can't be scientific about any of this. They got to be like, we might,
12:02 it might do something because, you know, so if you need immune health, another reason to use Noni. I'm not sure if they're using the leafs or the fruit. Probably, they're probably talking about the fruit here. Dosage, side effects. Let's see what we got here. It's high in sugar. high in sugar. Towelie. I'm so high. Noni juice is likely safe to drink for the general population. However, it may cause kidney problems for those who take certain medication, which probably your medication is causing your kidney problems. I'll just say that, but who knows. It can also be high in sugar.
12:43 Southeast Asian fruit. But, you know, Hawaiians had it here for sure. Keep in mind, mixed with other juices, it may be packed with sugar, right? So you're not even getting a pure thing. And then what? Weight loss. Okay. So we read that article. So we know now. What does the noni do for you? Well, arthritis. If you smoke, it'll restore your things. It has antioxidants, all those good things in there. So I think the leaves are probably good. The fruit is probably even better. unripe fruits, rape fruits, all those things, all the different, you know, stages in the noni you
13:21 can put in there, but I highly recommend noni as a, you know, as a thing for you. Let's see, Marty out there making IMO3, yes, keep it under 120, you know, yeah, it's always cool to see. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, make good IMOs always the IMOs king queen of natural farming, making those good IMOs just finished my second IMO for yos. Yeah. It's always cool to see IMOs spreading in Washington. Oh my gosh. My, uh, my mother-in-law up in Bellingham made a bunch of IMOs and her garden, man, is it kick, but it's like, it's just sweet. We got Nathaniel coming in
14:13 from the Ozarks. Yo, the Ozark trail. I love, uh, I love the Walmart brand Ozark trail. Yeah. I'm sure it has nothing to do with that, but what's up? Um, okay. And then oops, Noni. Yeah. You were probably saying big jar fermented. Oh, so, you know, one of the traditional ways of fermenting noni is just putting nonis in a jar and let them sweat. I'm not a fan of that way to do it. It tastes like puke. It smells like rats, but it's just, oh, man, oh, that is gross.
14:48 I just take it and do the fermented plant juice recipe, make a can of food out of it by just mixing it with sugar, extracting that juice out. It tastes amazing and you're getting all the nutrition processes out and it's happening in a quasi aerobic fashion. And it happens in a few days versus waiting months for it to sweat in a jar. I'm just not a fan of the noni thing. Yeah, I mean, you can you can go for it, Claudia. No, no, no problems with that. But it's just like, oh, is it unpalatable? And man, does it taste bad versus the fermented plant juice way, man.
15:22 You know, I mean, you can do it without sugar. Sure. Fine. Uh, but with the sugar, there's so many more reasons to use the fermented plant juice recipe. I'm just saying, I'm not saying you're, you're, you know, you can do it your way. That's fine. But, uh, highly recommend you try it. The fermented plant juice way to make a can of food and you will see, uh, the, the difference. It's just like, man, is it palatable, man, is it good. And all the nutritional benefits are coming out and it happens quick. So like, it's like five days versus several months. So, my, so, before,
15:59 just one more thing on health that happened this last week. We had a PureKNF meeting. So, PureKNF.org. If you're not a member of PureKNF.org, you definitely should be. And if you look under our monthly meetings here, tell me, I got to log in here. We'll go to the monthly meetings and go check out our monthly meetings. And we now have our latest monthly meeting. The lovely Susanna Goodmanson talked to us about gut health and GAPS diet, sharing seven years of experimenting with lactic acid bacteria serum and the GAPS diet. So, you know, restoring your gut microbiome, restoring your health.
16:50 As much as we restore our soil, it is also important to restore our health. And Suze gave a great presentation. I think she uploaded maybe, hopefully, the right file. We'll see. Yeah, okay. Yeah, but, you know, this is all the stuff the gaps can take care of in your life. So if you are suffering from, you know, health problems and whatever, using the GAPS diet, it's also, you know, K&F friendly type of thing. A little bit different in terms of like, you know, just starting simple, basically starting with the fish amino acid diet and just using fish amino acids to bring things into balance.
17:28 And then from there moving on. But all these great things. So if you are not, you know, in her introduction into dairy, she goes over this whole thing of how she brought in all these amazing things back into her diet. Yeah, Dr. Zach Bush out there. Ion fossilized soil. I haven't looked that up, but I guarantee KNF's probably better. Just my bias, putting it out there. I'm not sure. Dr. Zach Bush was in the farmer's union. I'm not sure if he studied KNF. Oh, and we got some comments from our members here. That's so great. you know so yeah so anyway
18:12 if you're not a member become a member get into it pureknf.org become a member it's well worth it you get an additional monthly meeting plus other member benefits and micro documentaries all kinds of good things coming your way so appreciate you out there yeah okay no I haven't looked at Dr. Zach Bush ion ion fertilized soil. Why not right now? Look at that. Bush ion soil. Let's just see if that gives us a thing here. Ion gut health. Let's see. Transition over here. Dr. Zach Bush MD. So, you know, look at that moss. Oh yeah. All those microbes. I'm kind of liking you. I love
18:59 trees. I love walking in the woods with my old people. Man, I love the river. I'm just commenting on the videos. Oh, that moss. Look how nice it is. Okay, so let's see. It is Ion, previously known as Ion Biome and Restore, the gut support that is naturally sourced dietary supplements for a balanced gut. I wonder if he has studied Korean natural farming at all and done this. Let's see how much he's selling it for. Let's just see a two month supply. Let's see $72 to buy once. Okay. Trust me, bro. You can make this at home cheaper for two months. What's a three,
19:40 what's a six month cost? Oh, six. Oh, only that's only a six day, two months for 32 ounces of this. um i i bet you i bet you this is just imos he's selling you i uh 32 ounces for 72 dollars so when we're thinking of pricing our stuff here you go um glyphosate free i don't know i don't know money back guarantee so eat it and then just be like bro i need my money back it's a guarantee look at that so it's so it's some liquid that they're mixing in it's probably lactobacillus I don't know I bet you let's decline his cookies I don't want any cookies from him
20:23 your cookies taste like digital bits the thing is it's is it's 50 million year old soils from the Jurassic area okay so they're mining IMOs and just putting them in there I'm not sure that's compatible with our today's microbiome. Let's see. Let's read a little bit about it. Thanks. Thanks for this. Just two natural ingredients. So it supports, contains optimally balanced, simple ingredients, humic, ass extracts, and purified water. Okay. Okay. Okay. And he's selling it to you for $72 for 30, 30 ounces. Okay. This, uh, you can definitely make this at home,
21:05 humic extracts. Wow, that is, I'm glad, you know, our humic extracts design from ancient soil, rich benefit metabolites. These metabolites contain trace minerals, fulvates at the heart of our science. Okay, let's see, humic. So, you know, anytime someone's saying it's 60 million years old and thinking that's a good thing, you got to be careful. It's like appeal to age and all those things, you know, different mind control devices he's using here. Um, contains a blend of bacterial metabolites, fulvates. Okay. So you, yeah. Okay. So fulvic acid he's putting here,
21:46 1%, a variety of trace minerals and amino acids. So fish amino acid, you can get it that way. The K-NF fuel, do this. Uh, the trace minerals you can get by doing salt for sure. And fulvics, Fulvix, uh, you know, those are, uh, man, uh, I, I should get into this, this deal and just start selling like, um, you know, 72 ounces or $72 for 32 ounces of this stuff. It's like, you can make this at home for pennies. Um, that's, that's wild. Um, so, um, but you know, he has a MD after his name. So, fulvates. Yeah, these are what they are. You know, you can, yeah, interesting.
22:33 Silitate electron transfer, all these things. Yeah, chelation of minerals, tight junction. Yeah, just because his is 62 million years old. I mean, there is good science to fulvic acid, humix and fulvix. For sure, I'm not discounting that. What I'm discounting here on him is his price for this. If you want to buy it and you want to just spend, you know, $72 for 32 ounces, fine. You could probably also go here in fulvic acid bulk and let's see.
23:18 And let's see here. You can buy one pound of this stuff for $27 here and then just kind of dilute it in water. So you could probably save, you know, thousands of dollars here. 500 grams, water soluble, one pound. um you know the same same thing here basically i don't know if this one's 60 million years old um but here you go you can buy this you know shilajit resin this stuff tastes like crap i don't recommend this um but you could probably get your own here for a fraction of the price and start bottling it you'd probably have to get an md before you could you know um but let's see
24:07 bulk. Um, I'm looking for, yeah, water soluble. I want to see it in bulk though. $225. How much are we getting here? Packaging 50 pound boxes or bags. So we're getting 50 pounds for $225, 50 pounds. So you could, you know, you could, this is like a lifetime or more supply for $225. So what is that? What is it? It's two, what the heck? 255 divided by 72. So for three and a half, what does that say? For about a six month supply, you could get a lifetime supply.
24:55 Just saying, I mean, I'm not trying to hate on Zach Bush here or anything. I'm just trying to be like, you know, inform you folks that, you know, here you go. Omri listed. If it's good for plants, it's probably good for you. Here's the fulvic acid, 69% of this, all these things, you know, is it 60 million years old? I don't know. Probably, probably. I'm not sure where they're mining it from. You know, you'd have to see what they're doing. You know, just eating some straight up terra preta type stuff, you know, but here you go. You could get a lab analysis, see the
25:29 product sheet. But for this much money, you could get a lifetime supply, which is basically a six month supply of Zach's Bush stuff. And again, you can make your own, but bulk for aqua liquid. Let's see. Oh, this one's not intended for human consumption. I bet you could eat it though. I'm not saying to do it, but what are they selling this for? Bulk wholesale. Yeah. They just show it in a wine glass. Why would you show it in a wine glass or a tumbler or whatever it is? Kelowna, right these guys are Canadian Canadian I let's see what's in their shop bulk okay how do we buy
26:07 it 30 packets fulvic fulvic humic all these things bulk let's see how we got to contact them I'm not gonna I don't want to talk to Shelly today and we still got to talk to Shelly I'm sure she's nice but anyway. So yeah, no, humic acids vital for you. You know, all kinds of those things, but yeah, hopefully just teaching you how to get it a bit cheaper than someone repackaging and selling to you for $72 for 32 ounces, which is just half of its water, more than half of its water. He's just diluting in water and selling it to you. It's like you're mostly buying water. So anyway, just saying,
26:48 just saying thanks thanks for that good to look through those things we got Nathaniel harvesting tomatoes today awesome um so I want to get back to the topic of the water softener we'll start there with the jam today um don't worry it's coming just like the YouTube hooks watch till the end of the video I don't know every time I watch YouTube I'm just like oh m g this stuff it's like well everyone even my favorite channels are turning into advertisements commercials even my channel is a commercial but it's for my own products it's for the knf support group it's for
27:24 you know helping you out at least we're not selling not better health better help better help talk to someone who's barely certified and tell them all your personal information for only this much money um can you can you cover your imo3 so it doesn't get maggots what do you cover it with um most likely if you're getting imo3 and you're getting a bunch of maggots first off maybe like are you talking about storage or are you talking about heating it because if you're heating it and you got maggots um you probably are growing a decent amount of um actin or um sound or
28:00 excuse me e coli bacteria so um so you want to watch out for that rafael um but um but if you're storing it uh you know uh don't store im03 very long turn into im04 it'll it will get um moths and stuff in it and they'll just eat it away might just happen to my older batch that i didn't turn into im04 quick enough and i got a moths and it's like that it's worthless um um what do you cover it with um make sure just put it in breathable burlap sacks yeah anyway yeah permanent yeast in the bottle
28:45 I'm guessing yeah yeast just Big West yeast are their own their own natural farming thing here let me go here and do this where's the book yeast Yeasts are their own. Oh man, I'm not going to find it that way. Yeasts are their own thing. You can make them, like Master Cho talks about it. It's not one of the core recipes because yeasts are naturally occurring. They're pretty much in plant juice. Yeah, they're in plant juice. They're in a bunch of different of the solutions. So if you're just using those, that's why they're not in the core solution. But you can make yeast themselves.
29:29 Let's see here. I'll go to this here. Books. and pull up this book here. Where is it? Chose Solutions Recipe. Oh, here we go. This book here. I guess it was already open, but it wasn't. And we'll pull up this book, and he talks specifically about yeast. Let me see, yeast. Is it able to search this book? I don't think so. I found two. Let's see. So yeast, yeasts. Yeah. Well, there's yeast in fermented plant juice, he's saying. And then the yeast recipe. Well, he's talking about the yeast in BRV.
30:25 so there's yeast in the vinegar there's yeast in the plant juice and then there is yeast as a direct recipe which one is it it's going to be recipe 11 so let's cruise down read recipe 11 here we go yeast so I'll make that a bit bigger so you can just cut and paste this screenshot it, do what you need to do, but this is the yeasts here. Yeast is a microorganism which is in charge of the last step of fermentation. Yeast breaks down sugars into alcohol and carbon dioxide, which is a necessary product of fermentation. it expands metabolism and capillary vessels
31:15 they re-synthesize organic substances decomposed by various microbes into amino acids hormones vitamins which are beneficial to the crop so they're kind of like the other microbes break things down the yeast kind of rebuild things and they provide vitamins nucleic acids minerals hormones, fatty acids to the body. They have eight essential amino acids that you can't synthesize. It's also healthy to eat many fermented foods containing yeast. It also decomposes chemical fertilizers. If you're worried about contamination cleanup, yeast is your friend. It usually sticks
31:56 on fruit surface and yeast, many yeasts specifically on the grape, which is why they use grape for wine and those things because it's a yeast. It creates alcohol. That's what they wanted. That's why they use grapes because it's already on the grape skin, all those things, you know. So anyway, here's the way to do it with grapes. I'm not going to read over that, but we will go here. And yeah, it can also help photosynthesis during rainy and highly humid seasons. It helps bring vigor back to your livestock to eat. Um, so yeast also very useful. Glad you asked about it. Um, yeah, yeast. It's
32:41 also, uh, you know, puts cheese on the taco, if you know what I mean. Um, uh, let's see someone here hmm I ain't going for it about yeast yeah well humic fulvic you know it's the building blocks of life carbon, carbon is very important carbon, carbon, carbon we're nothing without carbon let's see here what are we going for comments, reading through these, all this side note. Oh yeah. I'm not, I'm not hating on Zach
33:27 at all. I'm just saying he's making money. Um, yeah, no, no. And don't get me wrong, Nathaniel. I'm not hating on him at all. I am just saying that you can make your own cheaper. He's making money somehow, you know, uh, just like, you know, most people out there are going to make a living. I'm just saying you can make your own cheaper instead of buying his at that inflated price, which you're buying mostly water. You could just go buy the exact thing. I don't know if you can at the 60 million year old. I'm sure he sourced it. I'm sure he puts his faith behind it. I'm not
33:53 hating on Zach at all. He's a great guy. He's, you know, I wish he, you know, I would, I would call him a personal friend, but, uh, I just know him through YouTube. He is a member of the farmers union, which I'm also a member of, and you should be too. Um, but anyway, um, full of things, my covers. So don't get me wrong. Don't, don't be like, I'm hating on Zach Bush. No, that dude's awesome. Okay. So don't take that the wrong way. I'm just saying like a lot of these things that you buy, you can make it at home cheaper. But time is money and money is energy and all that.
34:23 And so maybe it's worth it to buy it for $72 for a two-month supply. I don't know. I think it's probably easier to make it yourself, but that's just me. Okay. Maybe he is actually turning shilajit into a liquid form and then selling you liquid shilajit. I don't know. Okay. So I'm just, I'm, yeah, I hope by anything, I'm not trying to bring any hate here. I'm just trying to like show you how it's done and what it is. Cause I just, I happen to know these things and I'm just trying to be like, Hey, and I may not even be right. I may be wrong. There's a good chance I
35:02 am. So, um, you know, research your own man. Um, I'm just one source. It's made by caustic methods. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Your compost is full of humic and fulvic acids. Um, yep. Making your own. Um, I'm thinking that a mint plant juice might dissuade some pests and feed the plants. Anyone make a mint plant juice. So KNF food, I just want to, I just want to, uh, distinguish this out real quick here that, uh, KNF food, you know, you can use it for like anti-pest type of things. You know, so you can go through this recipe here and make a plant
35:47 juice, can of food, make a plant juice from mint and use it to dissuade pests. But you're better off to actually go down and make an herbal solution, which is what we've been covering in the Medaj stuff. So this book here, I've been going over it all year of the Medaj. And basically you just follow this solution here, which is take the mint, right? Take the mint, put it in a pot, cover it, like cover it with water in the pot. So fill the thing, you know, fill it with full of mint leaves, fill it up with water so it covers it, and then boil it until half the water remains
36:21 and you'll get a thick thing of mint. And then that you put into small bottles to keep it from, you know, keep it good. Here, there's, you can look up videos on this and then you dilute this mint. And what are the dilutions for the mint? Well, that's what we were covering in here, previous episodes. You can go back and look, but basically it's going to be about five liters per 500 liters, which looks about a one to 100 recipe somewhere around there of diluting it one to 100 and then spray it with soap, Dr. Bronner's, or make your own wetting agent and spray that
36:56 onto your plants. And you're going to get much better results from that mint instead of trying to make a plant juice, which is bringing like the goodness with it. You go this way, which is just get the properties of the mint that are the actual pest things. And you're not getting the nutrients really out of it. You're just getting concentrating the anti-pest properties through this. So if you're thinking you want to spray things to reduce pests, this is the solution you're looking for. The plant juice is more of a nutrient getting the things out. And of course, if your plant is really
37:26 healthy and you're putting the good nutrients in, you probably won't have as many pest problems. But I just want to differentiate. There are many solutions in picking the right one. It's like, it's like, I want to break this board in half. Uh, right. If I'm doing construction, I want to cut them, you know, make this board into two pieces. I can use a hammer, right? I can just whack that thing with a hammer, but if I get a saw and I cut it, it's going to be quicker, better, cleaner, everything. And so similar to this natural farming has many tools you can use. And so pick the saw
37:57 versus the hammer sure you can break it in half you can use a plant juice to discourage bugs it's like hitting and breaking a board in half with a hammer you can do it but if you use the saw which is like the herbal solution and you dilute it properly and you use it properly you keep your saw sharp you make a square line you use it properly you're going to be a thousand times better than trying to use the improper tool against it not to say that you can't break boards with hammers you can go ahead make my day make my day get to the chopper um you know but um but if
38:27 you go this way you're gonna be even better so um yeah and goof saying here he uses mint in his maintenance spray awesome i highly recommend mint it's great it tastes good it smells good it makes your whole life better i'm just saying pick the right tool for the right job and if you're trying to dissuade bugs you're probably better off to use an herbal solution man the herbal pest solution. IPMO against fruit flies? Heck yeah, Sidhu. Awesome. Yeah. And if you're interested in the IPMO, check out Chris Anthony was talking about it. And also we got, and he got
39:02 inspired by Stephen Cornett. So you're a member, check it out. Pureknf.org. You're a member, Sidhu. What's up, bro? Thanks for the comments. It's great to see you, you know, sharing, sharing all that. That's what happens. You become a member, you get extra benefits. Oh my gosh, more resources. Wow. Inside information. Oh, wow. Yeah. Become a member pure knf.org. Anyway, it's a nonprofit. We're non-profitable. We do all kinds of things. They sponsor this, by the way, it wouldn't be happening without them. I assure you. And I am here to help you
39:39 and tell you about non-profitable things. No, they're all, you know, I'm trying to, you know, spoil other people's cash cow. Zach Bush put in the fulvic acid. All of a sudden, his sales go way down. People just go directly make fulvic acid because they tuned into the office hours. Anyway, I think I'm getting too excited here. Let's tone it down. Let's bring it down. Let's get into Medaj. Let's get into the Medaj because we have some good questions and we're already into the Medaj. Wow. How amazing. Thanks, Master Cho. You're amazing. Medaj,
40:10 also a good thing. Fits in the right place. You got to understand the right tools, right time, right things, right amount, right, right. Um, anyways, tell my wife, it's all about balance. It's all about balance. Life is about balance. Um, uh, um, okay, cool. Well, um, let us, let us get a little bit into the medag. Let's, let's just dive in. Let's just, let's uh let's pull up the madash thing here here we go madash i think this is where we left off the other day we left off right here at the madash 5 000 years of korean organic agriculture leaf
40:56 mold soil in nearby mountains the field was in the center of our microbial utilization right so so for years and years and years and years and years they actually built soil and then for like the past 50 to 100 years, we just exploited the soil and took all the fertility away. And now human civilization teeters on the last few inches of topsoil remaining. Are we going to change? Are we going to die? I think we're probably going to die. But you can change and you can build soil like this at home very easily and bring microbes back into your life, get into regenerative
41:32 agriculture, save your food, water, children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, improve your health, and all those things by building, bringing life back into the soil. Instead of juicing it with fertilizers and chemicals and killing the soil, bring it back to life. And it's worked for thousands of years, and it'll continue to work for thousands of years because it's in harmony with nature. It's all about that balance, right? So I did want to get to the water softener. Are we going to get to it today? Is it in here? Should we skip around? We're at 43. Does anyone tell me
42:02 if you see a water softener, water softener, water softener, water softener? If not, I can just look in the book too. But I did want to, I just want to see how many, there's hundreds of slides. We're going to, this is going to take the rest of the year. I'm glad because then I don't have to come up with other content and we can just see, we can just stay with Young Song Cho. Look at that rock star, bro. Look at that phone case. Look at that size of that phone. It's like a mini tablet. Look, and he got a pesticide spray on either side.
42:31 He's like a cowboy doing the peace sign in Tejon under the rails. Man, this is how Tejon is. Here you got the garden, and then you got this. And look at the quality, the air quality out there. That is Korea at its finest. Let's see. Oh, here's a water softener. I found it. I found it. I found it. Okay, we're going to skip to a little bit of water softener today, and then we're going to come back and we'll go over this again. But we just go on the water softener. So why use, oh my gosh. Okay, it's all about soft water. If you have hard water, let's see.
43:09 Yeah, so this water has to be clear after mixing. Non-soft water makes clotting problems and all this. So when you're spraying, you don't get it to spread out as easy. and then here's this soap test so this is coming from the soap where in in you can mix soap in and shake it up and if it suds like this you got really soft water if it doesn't sud you don't have soft water so first running a water softener highly uh advisable for every time you're using agricultural sprays use a water softener because just the nutrients and minerals and everything
43:44 don't spread out on the leaf it has a harder time taking this in versus this water where it's clear and it suds, you can test it with soap, but just if you're using soft water, you just get so much more benefit. And so, um, uh, and, and if you're not using soft water, you get these droplets forming, right? It doesn't, it's not a surfactant doesn't spread out, right? And you can include soap to make the surfactant property happen, but it just, um, it's even more in the, in the, you'll end up with stuff like this where it's clumping and it's not, how can the leaf absorb
44:17 things if it's not soft, right? Does garlic have chelating properties? I don't know. We can look it up. But here you go. So that's, this is improper use, right? Without soft water, without using these things, but just in general, this is what's happening. Things aren't spreading out. They're not being absorbed in. They're just accumulating on the surface, which is actually bringing you backwards. Versus here, I think this one, this one here, you can see how it's beading up. This is a little bit more water softener. This is even more water softener. So
44:50 hydrophobic leaves take on this. So he has a do-it-yourself water softener. So if you want it, you can go and talk to Hanyo Cha and Young Sung Cho. Mr. Cha. I love Mr. Cha. He's so cool. and you can make these things here basically it's just an inline water softener water comes in or actually water comes in this way it goes through this filter first you know water comes in through here and then comes out through there and it's just you know the water softener removes calcium magnesium iron from the water with an ion exchange resin. And yeah, so this I highly recommend. In my
45:42 case, I'm using rainwater, right? I just catch rainwater off the roof and it goes into catchment. And so I'm using pretty much the softest water you got out there. It's so luxurious and soft. Comes straight out of the sky. But if you're using well water or, yeah, especially well water, you probably want to run a water softener. Underground water, you definitely want to run a water softener. So I don't know if that even answers your question. I kind of forget what you're asking because you asked so long ago. But there's lots of ways to soften water. This is just one of them.
46:13 And yeah, so this is his example of he was using hard water here, runs it through the water softener, and he gets clear, nice, good water once he mixes the soap. so um and yeah chemical pesticides also greatly affected by quality of water so we'll come back to this eventually um talking about this i don't know if i answered your question even but um yeah we'll get back to this because we're getting back to it i think we're on 43 here yeah we were okay so um yeah uh 15 gallon hdpe barrel design i'm sure there's lots of ways to make water softeners
46:56 um you know i for me is like if it was a problem for me i'd have a water softener i'd put it in line he also you know in his kit let me just go back to this because in his kit here hang on one second. I kind of showed this in the beginning when we started the JDAM in the beginning of the year, but basically there's this JDAM kit here. JDAM, it says JDAM right there. You don't know if you can see it. Oh, but in this kit that he gave me when he stayed in this building for three, for a month uh was he gave me this oh i'm gonna open it not only not only does the top have a
47:44 bunch of like you know little samples like this is the soap these are the herbs this is the sulfur yeah js yeah this is sulfur you know so not only does he have these um you know these little things of different herbs to try and this is a whole kit to determine which pesticides to use also he gave me this which is a little inline water softener so you can run like an inline water softener here and this is like you know it's just it's like kind of a do-it-yourself type of thing you know some plastic put together some fittings and then in here is that resin so you could
48:31 potentially run an inline water softener inline I'm pretty sure that probably says water softener in Korea Korean but there's actually a you know a water softener in the kit itself right so he thought it was that vital to include in the kit you know this is basically a full JDAM test kit like you can get all of JDAM right here in this it's covered in dirt it was under my house for quite some time but yeah that's just an example of like you know when you go full jadam you have something like
49:16 that um so yeah having a water softener so no matter where you are you can make soft water get the soap get the sulfur get the herbs get the little test kits get the petri dish so if you haven't seen that, go back to the beginning of the year, look through, watch all the office hours available at knfsupport.com and check them out and get tuned up. And you can watch literally this for, you know, what is it? We're probably at like 25 hours of office hours this year. I don't know. Every, you know, they usually go longer than an hour and I think we're halfway through the year.
49:49 So anyway, water softener is that important, but let's get back to the Madag presentation here and go a little bit deeper into this, try and get through this in this year. We're on slide 44 here of how many microbes in one gram of leaf mold. So I find, and this is just his finger. Look at that, man. He needs to get, it looks like it's pretty white finger there. Um, so, you know, when he says leaf mold, I think that's a super deceptive term because you'd think that's like leaves in the mold and the leaves it's not, it's actually the soil just
50:25 beneath the, um, where the leaves are decaying on the surface. This is basically your top quarter inch of soil or what's a finger thickness, half inch, half, you know, three quarters of an inch. I don't know how thick my finger is. I guess I could measure it, but, um, you know, and so in one gram of soil, I guess that's a gram of soil. Maybe, um, there's 30,000 protozoans, 50,000 algaes 400 000 fun guys there's only two fun gals though um and there's billions of bacteria and you know unidentified amount of viruses in everything and if you don't believe them
51:05 that's the denmark institute so take it up with that fact check them be like false actually there's 28 bacterias in there um yeah anyway um here you go um i wonder if there's 28 lies on this slide um anyway protozoans these things you know so so these are the microbes you're looking for right and in this so but calling it leaf mold you think It's like, you know, when you pull back the leaves and it's kind of like there's mycelium kind of breaking down those leaves. It's not. It's the soil layer right below that where your soil starts to look like this, where
51:47 it's airy, it's balled up, it's living, it's moist. This is what you're looking for. When he says leaf mold, it is a terrible translation into English. And this is what you're going after because leaf mold makes me think that it's something else. So, but there's a ton in there. A ton of stuff. More than a ton. Well, there's actually one less than a gram. So it's hard to say it's a ton. So yeah, so pile up. So how to find that leaf mold, you pile up different grass on soil and water it frequently. So just make a compost pile essentially and water it frequently.
52:27 And then you will notice your soil turns into this balled up stuff. This is the soil you're looking for. This is what you're looking for. This is your leaf mold, so to say. It's the soil when it starts to turn into these ball shapes. And what's making those balls is it's bacterias living inside and then fungus rolling them into balls and perhaps worm poop as well and other things. But this is what you're looking for when he says leaf mold. It's an excellent starter.
52:59 So if you say, oh, I don't have any microbes around me, well, take grass, put it out on a little bit of dirt around you, water it like he says frequently. You know, don't drown it, obviously, but just keep it moist under there. And your natural microbes will come to you. Is this as good as Master Cho's ways? Probably not. Is it quick, dirty, and easy? Absolutely. Is it cheap and disgusting? You got it. So this is a way to do it. no matter where you are you can make it by just piling grass or organic matter up and then watering
53:32 it and you will get stuff like this so you can get a starter anywhere those are your indigenous microbes um super simple seedling treatment with leaf mold and water oh so he's just putting that that good soil looks like this came from under a bamboo bamboo's great source for this and water and he's probably going to put seeds in there. Let's see. Seems like a, you know, you'd probably want to follow Master Cho's seedling recipe, but he just, you know, here he's just diluting microorganism-rich soil, and then he's putting seeds in there. Oh, so he just puts his seed
54:09 tray into there. Huh, interesting method. That's a pretty cool idea. And then look at, you know, his seeds coming out, and then when he pulls the roots out three days after, like, look how many microbes are on the roots. And when you're seeing this kind of stuff surrounding your roots like that, that's when you got rich soil. That's when you got the good microbes working with your roots, with the plants synergistically doing the right thing. This I would be very proud of. So it looks like his method was just put the dirt in the bucket, fill it with water,
54:39 then put your tray into there and kind of inoculate as like a transplant solution type of thing. and those microbes from that liquid. So very simple, quick, easy, dirty way of doing it. And that's why I'm advocating JADAM this year, I guess so far this year, is that you should know these methods. They're quick, they're simple, they're easy. You didn't have to make weeks of IMO4, but if you did IMO4 and you did this something similar, you'd probably get even better results. But this is just so darn easy. You just put dirt in a bucket and then watered it.
55:15 I mean, and then put that in and did this, right? So sometimes you can't beat easy. Sometimes you can't beat simple. Other times you can, it depends what you're doing, right? Um, so the key in summer farming is temperature management. Who out there is hot, man. I tell you, it's hot here right now. It is summer in full swing here in Hawaii. I'm just sweating, just walking outside. oh why i always scroll when i go there i gotta not scroll when i'm in this one um humans have a temperature 97 i thought it was 98.7 but uh and only three degrees up they die
55:58 so he's saying if you went 107 or no excuse me 100 degrees 0.7 you die oh maybe it's three degrees up Celsius. Yeah. Plus three Celsius. That didn't get translated, but plus three up, you'd die. Yeah. Cause, um, Celsius is, uh, you know? Yeah. So anyway, um, yeah. So similar to plants, very temperature sensitive, um, you know, humans, very temperature sensitive microbes, pathogens, even more. So his outside temperature is 93 Fahrenheit here. Um, but then he's saying, if you're putting black plastic down and measuring the temperature under there,
56:38 at one centimeter of soil, you're getting 114 degrees. Under that, you're getting 107 degrees. 10 centimeters down, four inches down, you're getting 94 degrees. 15 centimeters down, 86 degrees. So he's measuring, you know, what you're doing. If you're putting a bunch of black plastic down on your plants, you're creating a huge temperature swing. If it's 93 plus the sun beating down on that, you're getting these high temperatures. So I think he's going to advocate putting mulch on there instead of plastic, right? But then he does plastic. I've seen that guy's
57:16 farm. So just make this soil nearby, make rich organic matter. So just, yeah, I think he's getting into this next part. So instead of putting black plastic down, I think he's advocating to put down mulch, I think. I'm not quite sure. Anyway, interesting to know that only six inches down, it's 86 degrees. And that's the thing is if you can get water vapor in the air to enter your soil and then it gets down deeper and it gets down six inches because you have it breathable because there's microbes, then it cools and then that causes condensation, which pulls moisture
57:59 out of the air. So this is, again, talking about this temperature differential in your soil, and as air penetrates, the water vapor in the air gets down there and it waters your plants as well. So you can reduce your water usage via this temperature differential type of idea, which is also cool, right? So paying attention to those things. Not exactly what Sherry's saying here. So we'll go to this one. I think he's making saying make rich pure organic matter. We're going to get into that topic. Look at how happy this dude is. He grows 20 tons of rye per quarter
58:36 acre, 18 kilograms per square meter. So he's just, you know, each meter he's growing this much rye. Why not grow a whole bunch of rye out there? You know, cover crop. It looks like he's growing some sort of orchard, but then he has this grass underneath. So he's cultivating wild grass and rye underneath to just generate organic matter. All that's putting exudates, all that's absorbing, all that's putting nutrients into your soil. I know conventional stuff would say, well, you're going to grow rye. It's going to steal nutrients from your crops. You've got to
59:08 poison it all. That's a fallacy for sure because it works synergistically where the soil is building more microorganisms, is building more fertility, is building everything. It's not stealing nutrients because as soon as the nutrients are there, you're going to cut it, chop drop it it's going to refeed this sure you're going to lose a little bit of carbon off when it chops and drops but the nutrients are going to be pulled up from deeper and recycled to the surface and that's what's happening naturally so it's actually increasing your
59:37 fertility assuming you're going to chop and drop and leave this where it stays so i think that's what he's advocating here just grow a cover crop under your plants and then chop and drop them where you need them and make sure that those don't grow up into your trees but man look how happy this dude is you can tell he is happy and he is doing it right so yeah do not leave the soil bare grow cover crops what great advice look at those nice pears apples persimmons i don't know some sort of um maybe it's an asian pear looks like asian pear maybe um but look it's
1:00:17 they're not stealing nutrients it's actually reinforcing and growing better and if you can mow this down once in a while, only one, you know, certain sections of it, not all at once, all the better. Nathaniel grew winter rye this year. And yeah, well, you know, that guy's also probably putting microbes down, doing all kinds of good stuff. It looks like he's a natural farmer. lawns are good believe it or not you know it all depends on what you're trying to do sometimes here people cut the grass too short they try and make their orchard a lawn and it's just cultivating
1:00:59 bacteria as the grass grows taller and then you cut it you're actually building fertility if you just keep it mowed too short you can lose fertility but I'm also in the tropics I'm not saying but lawns yeah lawns you know you're keeping organic matter you're keeping the soil covered all those things. Like I'm, if you're, if your cover crop is a lawn, all the more power to you really appreciate that. You know, just keeping the earth alive is main thing that I think I wanted to touch on here. I don't want to be like, lawns are not good, but there's certain cases where
1:01:31 there are more bacterial oriented than fungal oriented. So you really want to get your things in, um, in harmony with other microbes that are growing above. So, um, yeah yeah so yeah making your grass the right length and understanding what fertility is from those respects look how happy this lady is she has 17 tons of hairy bench for a quarter acre man look how happy she is she's like hell yeah i don't even have to mow anymore i just let this stuff grow and it makes it more fertile and it makes everything richer and plus it looks kind
1:02:08 of beautiful. And I got an Adidas tracksuit and I'm doing an Adidas squat. Adidas? Adidas? Anyway, look how stoked she is. This is the way. This is the truth. This is the light. This is milk vetch. And look, I mean, imagine this, you know, it's not going to grow up into your trees. You don't even have to mow. You can maybe even graze it. This is just where it's at. You know, why, why would you spray poison and make all this bare? All this is retaining moisture. It's, it's making microbes better. I mean, this is just, this is where it's at, where it's at.
1:02:46 I wish I could cover crop like this, but where I'm at, oh man, because we don't have winter and everything. It's like, oh my gosh. And vetch, Goofman is mentioning vetch is a great legume, right? So this vetch is also providing nitrogenous microbial activity to make everything grow better. so how could you not win with this but who guys goes by wet yields for pounds per acre for yields Young Song does, Young Song goes by wet pounds per acre, look at that, it's wet pounds per acre you gotta flex, you gotta flex if you want 20 tons you better weigh it wet you know if you want a slide
1:03:32 that looks impressive. You got to be like, you know, 20 tons per acre. So anyway, um, you know, we got more, we got plenty more. We'll go, we'll, we'll resume back here on rape, rape. We'll save rape for next week. We'll talk about rape. I don't even know if you, can you say that on YouTube rape? I just did. We'll see if we get demonetized. What doesn't really matter anyway, cause I only make like a few cents per episode. So anyway, thanks for super chats. Those are where I actually, you know, because I don't make YouTube advertising money,
1:04:02 but next time we'll talk about rape. Looking forward to seeing you next week when, uh, we can talk about, you know, um, yeah, why not? Why not? Um, cool. Well, uh, hopefully you enjoyed this, uh, you know, this section of Madag and going through the slides and seeing going deeper. Again, always watch past episodes, pureknf.org, which also links you to knfsupport.com. Thanks to Master Cho. Thanks to you. Thanks to everybody for tuning in. And we'll see you next time. Anyway, if you know the YouTube channel, that's from comment down
1:04:46 below. One of my favorites. Anyway, yeah, I'm going to get out of here. I got to move my cows again, I say that every Sunday because I pretty much got to move my cows every Sunday. You know, when you're doing regenerative egg, you can't leave them in the same spot for too long because, uh, you know, all that. So anyway, appreciate you. Thanks for tuning in. Love you. Thanks. Uh, yeah, I'm going to try and click this and then that and ready, set. See you next week.