Chicken Nesting Box Design, IMO Dust Baths, Dry LAB for Feed
Drake opens with questions on the leaf, bloom, and fruit prescriptions. Tomatoes, peas, and peppers loop between leaf growth and bloom every two weeks instead of moving straight through the nutrient cycle, so they leaf and flower at the same time. He doesn't think fish amino acid (FAA) cuts bean nodulation the way chemical nitrogen fertilizer does, since FAA is already broken-down amino acids taken up fast through the leaf.
Back to Master Cho's presentation on poultry. Chickens dust bathe in dirt and IMOs to clean their feathers, the same way Drake's dog and pigs come out clean from rolling in dirt. He walks through building the layer nesting box: a roughly 60-degree hinged door, a slitted black cloth curtain to keep the back dark and calm, and a rolly bar on top so hens can't roost and crap on it. Chopped lemongrass in the bedding cuts down mites.
Perch training starts after day 30: once a third of the birds are perching at 55 to 60 days, the brooder box comes out and the nesting box, feeder, and water go in. The perch sits lower in front, about two feet, and higher in back, two and a half to three feet, with the best-laying hens claiming the top spot. Floor bedding, rice straw or wood chips cut to about 2.75 inches, ferments into warm, high-quality IMO material you can pull a third out each season. Fermented-feed KNF eggs hold together with chopsticks and show more stress-resistant hormone levels and longer intestines than cage-fed eggs.
Drake closes with broiler housing built at scale, 300 to 400 chicks at a time, fed rice on release and given constant feed access, plus how to make dry LAB: rice bran and liquid IMO sealed in a barrel for two weeks, the same process as making Bokashi bran.
Questions answered
- 9:56 How do the leaf, bloom, fruit prescriptions work for tomatoes, peas, and peppers? — They loop between leaf and bloom every two weeks instead of moving straight through the cycle, so the plant leafs and flowers at once.
- 18:40 Will FAA (knfFuel) fish amino acid make bean nodules decrease? — Drake doesn't think so, since FAA is already broken-down, water-soluble amino acids, not the nitrogen that shuts down nodulation.
- 26:29 Why do chickens, pigs, and dogs dust bathe in dirt? — Dirt and IMO baths clean their feathers and skin and build the microbiome, even though it looks backwards.
- 32:33 How do you build the KNF layer chicken nesting box? — A roughly 60-degree hinged door with a slitted black curtain keeps the back dark, plus a spinning rolly bar on top to stop roosting.
- 40:35 When do you move chicks from the brooder box to the perch? — Once a third of the birds start perching at 55 to 60 days, you remove the brooder box and add the perch, nesting box, feeder, and water.
- 51:00 What can you use for chicken pen flooring? — Rice straw, wood shavings, hemp herd, or wood chips cut to about three inches so the birds can turn it.
- 54:46 What do you do with broody or mischievous chickens? — Master Cho used a separate pen, or spread red confetti so pecking chickens peck the confetti instead of each other.
- 56:09 What's the difference between KNF eggs and conventional eggs? — Fermented-feed KNF eggs hold together with chopsticks in three distinct layers, unlike cage-fed eggs.
- 58:05 How do stress hormones and intestines compare between KNF and conventional chickens? — Natural farming chickens show more anti-stress cortisol-related hormone and longer, healthier intestines than cage-fed birds.
- 1:00:52 How is the broiler brooder box and pen different from the layer setup? — It's built bigger, about six feet wide, to handle 300 to 400 chicks at once instead of around 120.
- 1:05:26 How should broilers be fed compared to layers? — Broilers need constant access to feed in big auto-feeders instead of the two-hour gaps used for layers.
- 1:07:51 Can you make dry LAB to put in chicken feed? — Yes, mix rice bran with liquid IMO in a sealed barrel and in two weeks it turns into dry LAB, the same process as making Bokashi bran.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Countdown
- 2:22 Intro and Welcome
- 4:07 I Ching Reading and Reflection
- 9:56 Leaf, Bloom, and Fruit Prescriptions for the Nutrient Cycle
- 18:40 Does FAA (knfFuel) Decrease Bean Nodules?
- 22:22 Tomato Growth Cycle Answered on KNF Support
- 24:10 Back to the Master Cho Presentation
- 26:29 IMO Dirt and Dust Baths for KNF Livestock
- 32:33 KNF Chicken Nesting Box Design and Dimensions
- 37:58 Poultry Training Course in Korean on YouTube
- 40:35 Perch Training: Brooder Box to Perching Hens
- 51:00 Viable Materials for Chicken Pen Flooring
- 53:58 Chicken Flooring in Soil Potting Mix
- 54:46 Prison Pen for Broody and Mischievous Chickens
- 56:09 KNF Eggs vs Conventional Eggs
- 58:05 Chicken Intestines and Stress Hormones Compared
- 59:47 KNF Broiler Chicken House in Korean
- 1:00:52 Broiler Chicken Brooder Box and Pen
- 1:05:26 Broiler Feeding System
- 1:07:51 Making Dry LAB for Chicken Feed
Transcript
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3:00 hey welcome to korean natural farming office hours july 16th 2023 and um stoked you're here stoked we're all kind of family get together you know um what better thing to do on your sunday or whatever day you're watching this but to tune in get synchronized and um you know focus on the earth love freedom sovereignty all those things that uh korean natural farming stands
3:51 for make sure my volume's all good for you guys i guess i think good good yeah yeah I always feel like one of those guys it's like is the volume good like comment share no man but um why not start off with some higher wisdom instead of like comment and sharing although if you want to do those things that's fine um let's see here what is oh hey speak of it and it speaks of you um today number 42 right that's uh i think that's the answer to the universe and um it's wind over thunder and it's increase and it says powerful improvements
4:39 are underway the coming of the hexagram e i i i'm not sure how to say chinese words but it's i signifies a period of increase when the power of heaven descends to surround and invigorate our lives. Like all phases, this too will come to an end. But if we make hay while the sun shines, tremendous progress can be made at this time. It is in the nature of human beings to relax and become careless when things begin to go well.
5:25 The I Ching offers us or teaches us that we should not do this if we desire the fullest blessing of this beneficial hour. Indeed, our rewards are multiplied if we increase our conscientiousness in auspicious times rather than decrease it. There are two ways in which the I Ching especially encourages us to do this. Our first task is to make sacrifices for others. In all of your interactions now, embody generosity in thought and action. Forgive what is inferior in others and seek out the good.
6:15 By giving, by encouraging, by assisting, you will draw the superior person in everyone into devoted action. your second task in this time of increase is to go on strengthening yourself as thunder and wind strengthen each other this means that if you see something good in another you imitate it if you see and when you discover something inferior in yourself you eliminate it These simple practices, if continued conscientiously over time, will improve your character and fortunes immeasurably.
7:12 Through service and self-improvement, you assure yourself great progress in the days ahead. so it's always nice when you get a uh uplifting one um and definitely some increase right now you know uh look at look at how much uh i'm here how much chats of people tuning in and feeling good and welcoming each other and cheryl here ahead of time uh marty raspberry mitchell jared goof man you guys all in the house um haven't lit your candles yet goof but look at these sweet candles no and then my mom my mom came over because we had a um a foundation
7:54 board meeting uh yesterday and i was showing her the uh the lithograph i think it is it's this thing if you shine the light behind it it it's a really cool picture i don't know can you see it that way no just looks like just looks like a thing but when i just have it in my window over here and so you know good family assembling good things happening um and uh good to see ben in the house he's in south carolina at his family's farm and uh yeah you guys all snack snafu yeah heather haynes is it's that that's not the um no from louisiana okay i thought it was like the
8:41 Brett Weinstein's wife or Eric Weinstein. Brett Weinstein? No. You just, I think you have a, maybe it's Haynes or something. I don't know. But Heather Haynes. What's up, Heather? Um, and Bird. Hey, how's it? Oh yeah. From the piggy farm in Louisiana. Hope today's the best day of your life until tomorrow. Yep. Continually the best day of your life if you choose it to be. Um, so yeah, Prince of Bear and Lone Star. Oh, and Mark Ruder in the house. What's up? Santa Cruz this should have they should be candy scent with candles but they didn't come out all that well it does smell sort of like candy
9:21 to be honest I was smelling it I was like what the heck is that good to know it's candy okay and then before thanks everyone for being here I guess that's what I'm trying to say it's really nice building a family and hopefully today maybe we'll finish master chose presentation if we get through everything i don't know um and yeah play with the chickens you guys are he's out some folks are outside sifting compost i'm almost slightly jay um that i'm in here doing this but um okay okay marty raspberry got in here like
10:00 way early and asked specifically for plants that are leafing flowering and fruiting at the same time tomatoes, peppers, and peas. How do we use the prescriptions leaf, bloom, and fruit? Okay. Well, so I'm just going to specifically, um, they're, they're all, they're all very, uh, they're all similar nutrient cycle with each other. And let me address that question because Master Cho talks about it with tomatoes. And if you go, um, if you want to hear him talk about it directly. Let me hang on one sec. Let me pull up, um, my channel here. Um, and let me get this
10:44 side by side. Let me pull this over. Hang on one sec, pull this over. So it's right there and get rid of this and then transition this over and go to my channel, um, my channel here. So if you click down below on my channel and then scroll down on it and go down, down, down to one of these, these complete training courses. And then the fruit crop one, which I'm certain it happened in this one because I know because Jeff was there. and Jeff only went to Korea once on these trips and it was the fruit crop. But somewhere in this playlist here,
11:30 and don't get me wrong, it's one of 18 videos and they're quite lengthy. But somewhere in one of these, while we're in the classroom and Master Cho's talking to us, like one of these ones, where Master Cho's talking to us, Jeff asked Master Cho about tomatoes. And he goes on to talk about it for a while. And he talks in here about the nutrient cycle. So I'm not sure exactly which video and where it is. I did, however, just run this through my transcription program. So I could probably index and find them a little better.
12:15 But if you're really curious and you really want to learn a whole bunch about the tomatoes and peas, I recommend you listen to this thing right here. It says basic fruit crop. I used to say advanced fruit crop, and then I got upset, and then I changed it to basic because I was like, it really is basics. There's not, like, the most advanced stuff is the basics. Excuse me. And so somewhere in here, Jeff Merriman asks Master Cho about tomatoes, and he goes on to talk about tomatoes. But so I'm just trying to give you the original source and a way where you can go listen to him talk about it.
12:53 But let's go to my book here and let's have I'll give you my summary on what I my takes on it. And is the book up? Oh, my gosh. I'm having like what is that? I don't know. But let's go to the book. and basically what you will notice is let me transition this over so we're talking about nutrient cycle here talking about the prescriptions of the leaf the bloom and the fruit formulas formulas and basically what's happening is on a tomato plant is it is oscillating back and forth between leaf bloom and fruit every two weeks so in the very beginning of your plant which
13:40 I've also gone over this nutrient cycle. If you look back, um, on can of support, go to office hours and look at these things, maybe search tomato. You might find some of it. Um, but basically on this nutrient cycle chart here, you're going to start off very similar. You go soil formula, seed formula, then chubby, skinny, chubby, skinny. Um, but it is oscillating back and forth every two weeks, uh, between, uh, leaf growth and fruit growth. And you'll notice if you watch your tomato, you will watch it. What'll happen is it'll, it'll leaf and the
14:19 leaves will grow. And then the next node will then have the flowers and the flowers will start to grow. And then the leaves will grow and then the flowers will grow and the leaves will grow. And then the flowers will grow and it's this very quick rapid back and forth cycle basically looping right in this area between skinny which is the fruit and leaf right here and the and the bloom and it's looping really quickly between these and not all plants not all plants just move all the way through like on this chart it's kind of showing you um that it would move all the way through
14:57 one time. It's like, it's as if it just goes one time through, but peas, papayas, tomatoes, um, what else? Peppers. They kind of get loop in this area right here and sure they go through and they get, you know, ripening stage over here, but they're basically going through the beginning and then looping right here. And I also do have a document by Master Cho on the, on peas and peppers. Actually, I, maybe that's what I'll cover after I'm done with his main presentation is go through some of these older other documents that I have from him and get
15:42 into those more, more deeply. But basic idea is that it, they go through like this and then it loops and it loops and it loops and it loops and you're always getting stuck right there. Not stuck, but like, um, that's how the plant's operating. So those plants that are continually, um, making, uh, yeah, flowering and fruiting all at the same time, that's, that's what they're doing. They're looping right there. So that's my explanation. Master Cho probably explained it a little bit better than me. Um, and another good presentation to look at, um, is, um, so again, if you're at my thing,
16:24 uh, you click on my channel here, right there, go down another good one to watch. Let me close this out. Um, is under the same, um, basic things here. There's also the basic nutrient cycle course, which this was like a five day, three day, five day, um, presentation in North Kuala when Master Cho came to the big Island. And if you're really looking for the nutrient cycle, this presentation was supposed to be a lot about that, but ended up a bunch of people asked questions, um, because they were trying to verify us as instructors against each other of, you know, what was happening.
17:07 And, um, but master Cho talked a lot about nutrient cycle in this presentation. So there's a whole playlist here. So I don't know if you guys know how to use YouTube, but if you click on a playlist, then it gives you all these videos to the right. If you just let them play, they'll play, but you can also just click on the next video where these are, you know, linked to each other here. So, um, and I think that, you know, here's master Cho and he's going through a similar presentation that I've been going through. In fact, it may be the same one.
17:39 And, you know, looking at IMOs and all these things and bless Kim Chang and her blessed soul for translating, you know, grueling hour after hour translating for him. But it does look like in this one, he he did a peach and rice and I can't tell what that first says pear. and then prescription for animals. So it looks like that's what they wrote up here. So it looks like that's probably was talked about during this section. Um, and so I'm not sure exactly, I'd have to go back and rewatch these and or re-index them to find out, but this is another
18:22 great resource if you're looking for, um, for those, um, things. So what's up Tanzania? So, um, and then um so Printer Bear is asking too he says been spraying leaf and bloom on the three sisters patch which is three sisters is what beans corn and squash and then the fourth hidden sister is basil plant basil it'll bring in your pollinators and keep them happy um so the four sisters um and then to see if the fish amino acid the fuel will make the bean modulation decrease
19:09 and i don't think so i don't think um the like typically nitrogen um uh fertilizer will shut down uh production of um like if like if i took chemical like npk fertilizer and i put it on to a plant it'll shut down the root nodules and their nitrogen fixation but i don't think fish amino acid has the same, um, like shut down thing because it's amino acids. It's not like these complex nitrogens. And the more I learn about amino acids, the more I'm just like, wow, the fish amino acid, you know, we did this soy sauce a couple of weeks ago. And then I went to
19:52 a presentation, the frontline doctors came and they were talking about, um, how to heal from long COVID. And it turns out like these amino acids and are super vital for, uh, any repairing any type of swelling or anything. But I got to go see, um, in town here, let me show you here. I got to see, uh, Dr. Yeah, you can't really see that, but Dr. Pierre Corey and Dr. Ryan Cole, and then uh two other doctors came talking about exosomes and all these interesting things but very similar to like how do you home brew these things and the fish amino acids one of them and
20:35 i don't think the nitrogen um yeah i don't think that adding the nitrogen like because it's not nitrogen the same way it's it's amino acids they're already broken down and they're water soluble. And as soon as you spray it onto the leaves, they're, they're like uptake, they're, they're taken up. And so, um, I don't think it'll reduce nodulation and nitrogen fixation in the soil. I could, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure. And printer bear apparently is going to report back to us if it did change, which is always a good, good thing to know. So, um,
21:13 so yeah and then also um since i was on the topic i made this shirt in fact this is just a print on paper um and uh i'm gonna iron it onto a shirt later today i didn't i'm not wearing my custom shirts although i did just buy a shirt i've had this printing iron on printer paper for a while And it's cool because you have to print it in reverse, um, to iron it onto a shirt. And then here I have this camera reversed, so it comes out right for you guys to look at it. But, um, you know, anyway, um, figure one of the best ways to go about life is to just
21:56 wear memes on shirts and, um, you know, but I should make some natural farming shirts and good positive messages, although safe and effective is a great message to share with people. so anyway increasing pigeonholing myself talking about things outing myself as a person for true freedom and liberty but you guys already knew that so so anyway here KNF support, all these things, getting into it and so if you're looking for older recipes, other things let me just search right here for tomato real fast tomato growth cycle did we find it?
22:41 yeah look at this yeah hey so this question has been answered yeah here's actually an answer so tomato growth cycle is already here I should have just searched in here before I start to like re-answer things and um alter yeah alternating between chubby and skinny and replacing skinny every other time with a puberty yeah there we go there's the answer right there i you know i probably looked up this from there to be skinny chubby puberty chubby skinny chubby puberty and so forth you know there you go that's the tomato cycle every you know that's if you're doing it every week um
23:28 dang it's already perfectly answered um and then here i put a link in here oh is this this is the nutrient cycle has anyone watched this video this one's pretty good i i don't think i'm 100 correct on this but i'm always trying to get better and understand this this is one of the most vastly mysterious, um, natural farming videos out there, but, um, but, okay, so let's, since I wanted to finish the Master Cho presentation, um, why not just finish the Master Cho presentation? I'm here, you guys are here, it's a good time, we're increasing,
24:17 and why not go back to the original source because you know if anytime I get into things so oh before we go to that let me let me just put up Master Cho's photo because all credit to Master Cho here he's really you know like I say every time I don't know where I would be without him Um, um, yeah, lots of good info. Cool. Oh, good milk. Yeah. Milk from my, my K and F cow. We, uh, we ferment her feed every day and, uh, put the maintenance in there and it's delicious milk. I'm really stoked that, um, we're going to be working on the pastures here pretty soon
25:02 in like a top, um, in a very, uh, lifted way. so okay so here's master cho love this guy if you don't know him check him out i got tons of video on my channel um and so take time browse through you know and uh not all the things you have to um watch to see you can just listen to him while you're out doing good stuff and just listen to master cho and his wisdom and whoever the blessed people blessed koreans in my life that have translated his wisdom into English for us for consumption because 안녕하세요. I barely speak Korean. Um, so anyway, I want to give credit where credit is due and then
25:48 jump into his stuff here. What's up, Tyler? Thank you, Britain. I hope, I hope things are good and okay. I think, I hope things are okay and okay. Um, yeah, better than okay. Things are great here, but it's just okay, man. Um, anyway, the Oklahoma crew in the house. Um, so here's some, here's the sand bath. I think this is where we ended last time. We were going through the chickens. We're almost finishing out master chose things. I talked a lot about the water, the difference last week, the feeder, the pictures of the feeder, the chickens eating from the feeder. Look at these
26:27 teenager birds. Um, and then we ended on the sand bath, right? And that's why it's so important that you raise chickens in where they got sunlight and then dirt and this living floor, because chickens love to kick the dirt up into their feathers. And this is how they clean themselves. They do dirt baths. They do IMO dirt baths and they come out cleaner. This is something that blows my mind what's up willie is that my dog every day will roll around in the barn in the floor and get completely covered in dirt and i have a white dog i mean she's primarily she's a
27:04 dalmatian so she's primarily white with like little brown spots and um she's a healer too so she got a patch eye but she's a white dog at every day she comes like she's just clean again i never bathe my dog ever. I believe bathing dogs is like the worst thing you can do for them because it throws off their microbiome. If you notice you ever bathe a dog and it immediately goes and rolls in the dirt as quick as it can because they know what's up. So chickens here, dust bathing, putting dirt into their feathers, and then they'll shake it out afterwards. They get clean, clean from dirt.
27:41 it's like the most you know people think oh dirt you gotta wash it off dirt is awesome somehow the skin absorbs it all those minerals whatever i don't know but and i also have pigs and the pigs come out just like spick and span clean they my one pig short ribs she loves getting the food waterfall so when i dump food into her pen she'll just lean into it and just get covered in it and covered in food. Every day I come back the next day, she's completely clean. And it's not like she's bathing. It's not, she's a single pig in a single pen. It's not like other pigs are licking
28:16 it off. She's clean. So dust bath, forest bathing, getting into the IMO baths and things and getting this stuff on you. I don't know. It seems to work. It is a miracle. I have no idea how it works, but you can basically cover yourself in dirt and you'll come out clean. I mean, granted you'll be dirty for a little while and like, you know, rub stuff and you'll probably get your upholstery and stuff dirty around you. But somehow it's super good for your skin, cleans you. Chickens come out spick and span, shiny and just like, I don't know, but there's some miracle here. And I believe one
28:53 of the things I always talk to Suze about is Americans' obsession with showering. All the time they're like, I got to take a shower, I got to shower, I got to shower. And then they use soap and they strip all their microbiome off. And the microbiome is what connects you cosmically to the subtleness of the energies of the DNA, transcription, subtle radio waves, modem, receiver, sender. And you're constantly stripping your microbiome off. And then you wonder why you get sick all the time. It's like animals don't get sick that often. I mean, they do get once in a while, but not as often as we do.
29:30 And I mean, granted, they maybe have a little less exposure, but they're also covered in living microbial soil and dirt. And, um, and Americans were just obsessed with showering. It's like people shower like two, three times a day. I'm like, man, I shower like two, three times a year. I don't smell I'm clean. It's like, it's amazing. I do shower after I'm like handling chemicals or, um, you know, doing like gnarly. Like the other day I was doing, um, busting rock and I was covered in crap and, you know, I try to get some of the grit off, but I don't, but I rinse and I did use the soap that,
30:07 um, Michael sent me the other day. Um, uh, but you know, but I barely ever do that. And so, um, and dirt rubbing dirt in my hair, it works really well. I know, I know you think, oh, it's counterintuitive. It's not going to get you clean. I swear to you, it gets you clean. And yeah you don't want to have a bunch of pathogens on you you want to be in like healthy living dirt but give it a try like go if you got these chickens and you got it like rub a little bit of that dirt in your hair and just give it a day and you'll see and the thing is you kind of got
30:40 to build up your microbiome and all this like if you're just transitioning from being completely clean like showering like like clean it's it's it's like you know your microbiome being stripped you may need like a little weak transition so i'm just saying i don't i barely ever shower and i'm i'm like people say oh i'm super clean right so um yeah rock dust rock dust is gnarly and and rinsing there's a difference between rinsing which i'm into versus like soaping and stripping all that stuff off rinsing off and getting rinsed and just rinsing is totally cool too but anyway your mileage
31:19 may vary. I'm not promising anything. I'm just saying what I do is, uh, is the same. So yeah, and you could probably brush your teeth with the IMOs. I don't know. People use charcoal. Charcoal works really well. Um, charcoal and salt, those are super good, but, um, but, um, uh the old jms like so so if you're worried about pathogens old jms and those things um uh they're okay um the the you know just just uh the key is dilution if you're worried about pathogenic pathogenicity um so yeah and i am a three or four for humaner yeah don't uh i don't necessarily
32:10 recommend rubbing the human or one against you but these chickens are are bathing dirt bathing in their their chicken manures and ocean baths yeah so anyway all that stuff you know and i want to trip out on that too hard but um oh where was i okay uh i lost it on the left side doesn't it oh there it is okay okay so um so moving on from that dirt bathing um dirt bathing let's get into the layer chicken and the nesting box. So again, this laying nesting box here, it has a few things. One thing is it has a, it's built at this angle. This is not a 45 degree
32:53 angle. This is more like a 60 degree angle coming down. And what that enables you to do is that this, this door here opens up in this way, it's hinged here and hinged there, and you can open it up and from this here hanging down right from this hinge area like this hinge right here you hang a sheet and it's that sheet is slitted with a bunch of slits and what that enables you to do is to lift up this sheet so you can look inside but when the when this is closed that sheet hangs down right against this wood barrier right here which is holding in all the material behind
33:33 and that creates a dark zone so the chickens can be in here. So that wood dividers right here, this part right here is a little area where the chickens can hop up. Then they hop over this wall, they go through the sheet into the back. In this back area, I fill either with sawdust or wood shavings or hemp herd or some sort of fine material. They use rice hulls in Korea in the back here. And the chickens sit on top of this and make these little nests. And a bunch of chickens will sit in here and make a bunch of different nests, depending on how many birds you
34:08 have. And the black curtain hanging down, it doesn't actually hang down from right there. It hangs down from right there, right there. So they're a little bit off in this drawing right here. It hangs down from right there. And the way this is designed, you know, you can see it's 59 inches tall. There's about, you know, about two feet from here. You can make that 60 inches, make this two feet here and make that 12, you know, a foot there, and then make this about 10 inches tall, nine and a half, 10 inches tall, somewhere in there. And because these dimensions
34:47 are being translated over from Korean centimeters and stuff. So they just did this exact translation, but it's like, just make it, you know, 72 inches wide and stuff, you know, like, like, just, just don't change the dimensions of whole bunch, but make them more sensible in terms of what, you know, it's not like I'm going to go cut something 59 inches. I'm going to cut it 60 inches, right. You know, or some, whatever, you know, work with your material to make it go make this six feet wide here. Um, you know, so, um, so this is the nesting box. This thing lifts
35:22 up opens there's an aeration slit at the top because this thing will the heat will rise and leave through the top so you put a small gap but then you put a cloth over that so you see that small gap right there there's a cloth coming over that and then I also recommend on this one that that I on mine I had to put a rolly bar up here so the same like the chicken feeder here where you put a bar and this bar can freely spin. It's just put in there loosely so it can spin. I also put a rolly bar at the very top because my chickens will try and roost up here and then
36:00 they'll crap all over this thing. So I just put a rolly bar up there so that when they get up there, they have to stand on the rolly bar and the rolly bar spins and then they can't stand up there. But this is the nesting box. Here's a picture of it. And in my cloth that hangs down, I made a bunch of slits and I actually put two sheets, um, of black cloth in front of each other. And one, I slit here and the next I slit there. So they line up so that they can get through really easily, but then the other, you know, they overlap with each other. It's like a curtain overlapping.
36:36 Um, and, um, yeah. So anyway, you see that the black cloth, you know, hanging down, makes it dark in the back. The chicken nesting box, what's nice about it is that this design, when it's dark in the back, is it reduces the amount that these chickens squawk. And they don't have as much of an ego trip. They're peaceful in the back. They lay there. They all share the same nest. You'll go in there for just a pile of eggs, and they don't have the same ego trip to let each other. No, like I like the eggs. I like them. Um, and yeah, and Pedro, great point on this man
37:14 is that in the back here also throw in some lemongrass and cut it up, make it small little chips of lemongrass, but that will reduce the amount of, um, mites because sometimes, you know, I do, I do every once in a while get mite problems, but if I throw in a bunch of lemongrass back here, the mites go away. So it's, that's a great tip. Great thing that, yeah, that I talk about here, but I think you learned that here, right? So came, came to the, um, class here and learned all bunch of pro tips of stuff that, you know, I guess you get them during the office hour too, but, um,
37:50 but yeah. And then, um, also if you are interested in that, um, again, talking about the YouTubes here um going to um my channel here on the youtubes and then this let's get rid of this small one here um but this has gone over an excruciating detail um in fact we built all of these different things if you come down to again the basic korean natural farming courses here and then um the poultry training here and this one if we skip i think it was day three or four let me just check real quick um yeah day day three this is us building everything
38:42 from scratch so here's us building this nesting box right here um and this is mr lee and he built everything, you know, measured it all out and built it and we helped him build it together. So if you're curious on like, okay, I saw the design, how exactly do I do it? Then just watch this video here, the basic poultry training number three of 10. Um, and you'll see him going through everything. So we're building, you know, um, poultry, you know, uh, the laying box here's, you know hanging the black sheet over the back you know like we're talking he's going to staple
39:20 that on and then swing it over there's the sheet that's been cut here look at that you see perfect coming down so you know you see that door i'm talking about that sheet coming down dr park you're lovely i love you man um and so we built everything in this video um even um let's see here Skip forward. Come on, Internet. But yeah, we basically went over everything. So he's talking about the rolly bar. And talking about the feeder. And it spins.
40:09 So. so he's putting the rolly bar on you know so everything i was talking about but the chickens you know we spent days in korea learning about this and doing it so um so check that out um if you're if you're interested um in really seeing besides just these diagrams and seeing these things because we did it in action and then also we did this whole thing of the laying chicken perch and nesting box. So, um, this is the interesting thing that after a couple of days ago, I was talking about, uh, let's see, where was it? It was this one here where I was talking
40:52 about how to, um, you know, you, you release the chickens with their brooder box in the back. They come out to here day 30. And then this one is the next slide that probably should have been in order with that one is that um here yeah join the class everyone yeah everyone everyone should come um but the layer chicken perch nesting box is after after it's fully open after day 30 you put their perch above their brooder box and um so because what happens is the they go in here to sleep when they're young, right? Day 30 and stuff, they're going to be sleeping in here.
41:36 Then eventually, but the perch is right above it. And it says here, when more than a third of the birds take perches at 55 to 60 days, remove the brooder box. So because you want to transition the chickens from going in their home, like when they're small birds, they nest on the ground, They can't really get up into trees, but as they start to mature, they will start to perch on this perch up here. And this perch has a special design to it. I'm pretty sure it's in here. No, maybe it's not. But basically, it's a stadium-type design where the lowest are lower in front and raised in the back.
42:22 And I don't know the exact dimensions for this, although I do think that this is a natural farming Hawaii under the chicken section I do think this perch plan is there and so basically you're training the chickens to go from being in here to perching up on this perch and when they're doing that then you remove this box and their nesting box is placed in there as well at that time after the 30 days you put their nesting box in there and their feeder and their water, right? And this is the orientation you want to have because basically this enables
43:00 the chickens to walk to the water and not trip over their feeding things. And I think this is the little jail for them. So if they're pecking each other or if they're brooding, you put them in here and it stops them from doing that. And the perch does not change in size based on the chickens, um, because they're able, you know, chickens, if you watch them, they'll naturally perch up in trees, right? Like if you have wild chickens, they go and sleep in trees. And by that, by day 60 or so, they're able to get up into the trees. And, um, the perch is about,
43:39 I don't know this, this big or so where the chicken can clasp, like think you're building like a tree where they can clasp on there and they're nice round. I just use natural, um, like uh vivi or guava sticks is what i have around here to build this perch and um and it sits there so the chickens can clasp on but the height doesn't really change the the front of this thing i would say like is about two feet maybe it's enough to fit over this and this is about what 24 inches like it's about two feet and then in the back it's about like two and a half
44:16 three feet somewhere between there. You know, there's not, there's like maybe a foot difference between the back and the front. Um, maybe we'll see a picture of it here. Um, let's see, actually, is there a picture of it? Yeah, there's a picture you see it's in the front row. It's kind of down and then it's headed up. So it looks about a half foot differently, not a full foot, but they're, they're perching on the back here and there it is. Let's see, is there another picture? Yeah. so there's another picture of the perch right here so you see it's kind of like um bent it kind
44:47 of bows like the sides are a little bit lower it's higher in the center and then the back is also taller up you know so building this kind of structure it's not it's not that hard to imagine i don't think you need exact plans but it looks about two feet and then two and a half to three feet up in the back maybe two and a half feet um something like that and the chickens will hop up here and perch and at night they'll all be perched up here. But this is kind of what it looks like for them. And there's another drawing of it that may be a little bit better to see
45:24 these perches put here. And then you see this chicken in the back here is saying, I'm number one. It's because the chickens that lay the most eggs and lay the best eggs actually get the highest position on the perch. So if you're going to, you know, you need a chicken for soup and you come in at night, grab a chicken off the lower perch because those aren't your good laying hens anyway. And so you grab one of those and then boil some water and take off the feathers and then cook it. And then this chicken over here is saying, I can't take feeder boxes instead of
46:05 the perches because you see this chicken is falling because they will try and perch up here, but the thing spins. So they fall off. And, um, and then this chicken over here saying we mix rice straw with our manure. So they're, they're always, um, stirring the floor up for you as they scratch and peck and they keep the floor clean because it gets mixed in and the IMOs, uh, get, get rid of it. And then this chicken saying the bedding is delicious. and it's because as the waste, the manure gets mixed in with the IMOs, it actually breaks it down into digestible proteins and it's fermented
46:44 so it completely changes from being toxic to being non-toxic and actually nutritious for them. That eyewitness said I just pooped in but popped in. And then the chicken in here, I've laid an egg. It helps reduce their, um, you know, their, their squawking and stuff like that. And this chicken is saying fermentation occurs in bedding. So it's warm even in winter, which is another thing for me. It doesn't really matter. I'm in Hawaii. It doesn't get that cold, but you don't need to, um, heat the chickens or spend money on
47:19 heating because the floor itself actually stays warm and radiates heat because it's the compost pile and keeps the chickens just fine. And this here is saying that rice straw is seven centimeters in depth and the straw is cut three centimeters long. So you want to basically use grass clippings or some sort of thing to make, I don't know what seven centimeters is. I think it's only like three or four inches. I can actually double check that because I got a sweet converter app. Um, let me see here. What is, who knows what is seven centimeters?
48:02 Uh, let's see centimeters. And I want that in inches because that's how I think. So seven, it's a little less than three inches, 2.75 inches is what you want to do. So there's, it's not very much straw or grass clippings put down. It's, it's only about two and a half inches, three inches in depth and I would say between three and six inches is probably your best because if you put in six inches it'll break down and then you can always you know just replenish and keep it going but the key is that you don't want very long pieces of material in
48:38 there if you put in long grass or long material what happens is the chickens will poop on it and then they can't turn the small stuff. So it's cut smaller, they can turn it. But if it's longer, then they'll crap on it and then they can't turn it. So it just turns into a mat of crap. So you want to make sure whatever material you're putting in there, like sometimes we've used just straight up wood chips and it works really well, just about three to four inches of wood chips in there. And that works really well as well instead of just the race straw.
49:12 but that's the basic poultry laying house interior environment is what it looks like and then here's a side view again of this perch so if I zoom in on that you can see the center is a raised so the center of this is raised up a bit and then the back of it is high so the center's high and the back's high um love saying that to this crowd um and then you know that's that's a picture of it so the best chicken gets the center back spot and it's usually you'll notice that that spot is taken by the the king rooster and um there's you know one rooster
49:56 for every 12 hens that you have in a in a pen to keep good social order but the rooster and his in his clutch of best hens will have this position right here and then further down the pecking order. So here's, you know, again, another picture of it. Here's the roosters with their hens and doing their thing and the roll up down thing in the back here. You can see their little cloth kind of got stuck in the door there. They're rolly bar feeders. They're nice floor. Um, but this is, this is one of the best I, you know, when I go to these chicken pens, it looks like pretty
50:38 high density, but the chickens love it. They're smiling from ear to ear or a beak to beak. They're just like, they're happy. And on my chicken pen too, I don't, I just ran up a four foot chicken wire. It's not chicken wired all the way up and they don't even want to escape. They just stay in the pen. They're so happy. Um, so, and, um, Jared's saying he used hemp chips and it has stayed clean with no smell. So again, that, that those types of natural materials help hemp seems like a really good long lasting, very fibrous material. And I would highly recommend that.
51:18 And if you're looking for things, you know, my friend Mowgli Shandra, he has, um, a company in michigan that sells really good uh hemp herd and um hemp products for doing those things so just plug for him you know he's out there somewhere um so um yeah so um and then people um pedro saying for the floor he's um he's seen some people mix wheat bran with the straw or wood chips um and that works as well you know the key is to get small enough material that it'll start to break down and, um, in the floor, you know, will kind of become like this dirt stuff where
52:00 it completely turns into microorganisms and, you know, composted IMO five basically, which I say, I hate saying IMO five because master Cho calls like 10 different things. IMO five, but it's, I also call this stuff biome. Like, um, so, so the floor is really good material that you can pull out about a third of the material every every batch every season and use this and it's some of the best IMOs like you think you make good IMOs the chickens and the pigs make even better IMO than you can and so using this floor material each year and then replenishing it with more
52:39 makes sense you don't want to take it all out because the longer the floor matures the better it's going to be. Um, so don't use it all each year, but, but pull some out and add more in, especially between batches of chickens, but layers, layer chickens, you can keep them about four or five, six, seven years even, and they'll lay just fine. But if you're doing broilers, um, you know, you're going to, each time you're harvesting, you may as well, uh, pull out some of the floor and then add new. And that way you're getting, um, some of those chickens out.
53:13 so and then um rainbow possum farm saying i've really been into using combo of pine straw and pine pellets and um pre-fluffed with some water and lab so that's another good thing for the floor here i would yeah recommend you know use what's around you that you have a lot of and um you know those things are good um oh i'm gonna shut this window real quick it's kind of blowing i don't know if you could hear it on the mic but um anyway um so here's just another picture of it and i believe this is their feed being fermented so look how fermented their feed is i believe that's what
53:56 that's a picture of is their fermented feed here um and um and then tyler's saying that he uses the floor as part of a soil start mix. So making your own store, you know, instead of buying pro mix, making your own soil start mix, he uses the chicken floor, one part, compost, one part, and peat moss, one part. And it makes great starter starter, you know, like your own pro mix. And that's awesome, man. I really, yeah, getting onto those things. And yeah, all those things make total sense of, you know, how to make, turn this into now good chickens equals good plants
54:41 equals, you know, everything. And then you can feed the plant, feed the chickens, better food, all these things. So this is what it looks like in action. You know, these chickens don't give a crap about eating. They're like, we don't care, man. Um, but they'll all cycle through and they all have their own little pecking order. This thing over here is a little prison that they put in. I don't have one of these, but it has its own water. And this is for chickens, I think, that are too broody and or being mischievous, like pecking other chickens. Master Cho did have
55:12 another technique. So if one chicken, they're picking on one chicken and they're pecking one chicken, you can spread a bunch of red confetti out here and then they will stop pecking that chicken because they'll peck the confetti instead. Chickens, when they see blood, they just peck it. They're just, they're carnivore dinosaurs. Um, and they're, they're nuts. So there's a few ways to mitigate that, but you can put them, I don't do this prison thing. Um, but you could, um, here, you know, this is straight up Korean style is, you know, put them in the gulag.
55:42 Um, and then here looking at the ground, this is like looking at, you know, what eventually it's straw, but, and then here's somebody using rice hulls. So in Korea, they do use the rice holes, but this is what it turns into, like this really good, fine composty powder. It's pretty amazing. And yeah, I guess that's what I wanted. Blue. And then here's, you know, the inside of the laying box. Like I said, they all lay inside that box. They'll make these piles of eggs. One chicken will kind of hold on to them.
56:19 And if you're really doing Korean natural farming properly, you're fermenting their feed, you should be able to pick the egg up with chopsticks and the white will stick to the yolk. And you'll get these three distinct layers of the outside, that one and that one of the three distinct layers. and their eggs are so firm and so amazing from the fermented feed and the good conditions and the microbes and they're strengthening them that their eggs are just amazing. So if you're doing it right, it's right. That's, this is the test. Can you pick your egg up with chopsticks? And I've
56:58 seen that in Korea. My eggs, most of the time I can do it. Sometimes they don't. But this is the difference. It's probably because I'm feeding them. I just ferment. I should probably make more of their own feed, but I'm lazy. But here's the difference. You can see the difference between standard cage-fed eggs, like the Babylon chickens versus the Korean natural farming chickens. Look at the difference between the color and the differentiation between the whites and the yolks and I think that's their color meters in the back it's like more orange-ish I think I'm
57:36 colorblind so it's not it's hard for me to tell but it and this is the grading of the chicken right the comparison of color but you just look at those eggs and which one looks healthier to you definitely this one on the left side over there right to me at least um and Pedro said he had the best eggs in his life in Hawaii. That's cool. Yeah, I think my eggs could be slightly better, but I'm trying. I'm trying, you know. So, and then here again, this is looking at the difference in the intestines and so in the organs, okay? So, look at these, you know, here's the fat on the
58:17 cage-fed one where you're getting all this like kind of gelatinating fat here. And then here's this like trim, like fit chicken. And then there's their intestine length where the intestines of the natural farming chicken, like look how much the large intestines bigger and these small intestines are so much longer. I think they'd show it stretched out, but it's like, you know, you want to be eating food from a healthy chicken. You don't want to be eating it from like this obese unhealthy chicken um you know we are what we eat right and so we want to be eating from
58:52 healthy food healthy plants healthy microbes healthy soil the whole way up and then of course eating healthy humans right whoops no we can't do that um and then here um hormones against stress apparently they measured hormones i don't know how to read the korean but it's saying like the um conventionally raised cage fed ones have hardly any of this hormone against stress but apparently the natural farming ones have plenty of this and what does it say plasma cortisol con so um cortisol they got they got way more whatever anti-stress hormone and um and then this last
59:38 little bit let's see if we can uh can we get through it i think i may as well i may as well just go through and let's, let's see, but we'll get onto the broilers. So this is what another, um, I think this is, this might be, uh, um, Mr. Lee's farm. I don't think so though. Um, but here's another just, uh, you know, if you can't afford the metal building, he made this one out of a, um, plastic greenhouse and it's probably a lot cheaper than the metal building. Uh, but again, the roll up sides here, again, the split roof, again, the air comes in through the side,
1:00:11 goes out through the top and then built his chicken pen into this one here. And then here's, you know, the inside of the floor. They're getting all the IMO floor together. This looks like they're building a little brooder box. I'm not sure why the plastic was put down under it. But then they put the tatami mat, the little bamboo mat down, the layer box, put that on top. I've kind of gone over this, so it looks like they're making a bunch of IMOs for the floor here. That's Master Cho, man. Look at him. He's fit, wearing boots. Oh, this is before I met him
1:00:45 when he was much older, but this is a young Master Cho making IMOs and turning this into a chicken house. Here is a better picture of the brooder box for broilers. So in a layer thing, it was only half of this, right? You were only looking at half. Now the broilers, because you're going to raise 200 at a time and not 120 at a time you're going to want to make it bigger so you can see the the raised ramp coming up the back you can see how this thing is much bigger i think this is about six feet wide instead of 36 inches uh 72 inches wide so six feet and then the the broilers the
1:01:25 idea is to just maximize how fast they're going to grow and so here here's there's a little brooder box. Notice the nice straw. Notice how the floor is all nice and level and everything. Master Cho was very adamant about that. But this is where you'll first start them and they'll put 200 little chicks in here and they'll go in here and get warm and then come out and this top will be filled with rice straw. But very similar to what we did with the layers, but just bigger. And then here's the broilers all coming in these little boxes because you usually get them from a hatchery.
1:01:57 and what you do is you leave them here for about an hour or so, condition them to your area, then you put a huge pile of brown rice right in front of their house with the sheet coming down and then you release them onto that pile of rice. So you just take all these chicks and like place them onto the pile of rice and then they'll do that thing and they'll just eat. The broilers though, I think their diet's a little bit different. You don't just feed them rice for the first three, three days. Maybe, I don't think so. It'll probably tell me, but
1:02:29 I should probably should have written this down. But, um, but anyway, here's it's, and he says he's doing 300, 350 to 400 chicks. So when I was saying 200, maybe he's doing a little bit more 400. I don't know. It's raising a bunch of them in here. Okay. So maybe I should probably review this before I start talking about it, but here's the original thing right here, 350 to 400. So I can't argue with that. Here it is. And you can see the dimensions a little bit bigger. Day two, day four, day five, maybe five or six. And then day, oh no, day two, day four, and then day seven,
1:03:09 the pen gets way bigger because there's a lot of chickens in there. Day 10, it's getting bigger. Day 15, even bigger. Day 20, even bigger. And then day 30, I think you'd let them have the whole chicken pen. And I'm not sure some broilers, some, um, some Frankenstein birds, they harvest at like 20 days or something. I don't know. They just, it's amazing how fast they've engineered these things to grow. Um, but you can see everything changing the dimensions of the pipe changing here. And then again, they're big water, um, their feeders, obviously getting more of these things
1:03:46 coming out. You can kind of imagine how all this works better than I can probably explain it. And here's looking at all these chickens. Maybe that is 400 of them. Geez. Wow. That's, uh, I'm not into broiler raising. I do like to eat chickens, but I usually eat my roosters from the ones we hatch for the layer birds, um, for my own use. That's perfectly fine. But here's all these broilers running out. Each of these has their own little pen. You know, you can see here and doing their thing, eating, getting fat fast so you can fry them up, make some Korean fried
1:04:21 chicken KFC, you know, um, look how lit stoked this lady is. She's like, I'm going to eat all you. Um, and then their water are getting bigger. This is a heck of a broiler operation. This is how to do it, man. If you're going to go big, um, but compare this to like Tyson chicken farms where they're all in this like dark thing in this nightmare. If you haven't watched the movie, Sam Sara, definitely watch that. And you'll be like, Oh, I'm not sure I want to eat Costco chicken anymore. Um, but Korean fried chicken KFC, I'd eat that man all day. Um, as long as
1:04:56 it's fried in coconut oil, right? No seed oils, no seed oils. Um, but here's these broilers. Look at them getting big. The surrounding environment, of course, the fresh air blowing in. Plant sesame seed out here. It'll bring in extra omegas for them. Look at their big water. All these chickens just getting fat fast. And the whole key is to feed the broilers as fast as you can. Yeah, but coconuts, it's not the same as like canola oil or anything. And then here, look at this. They got these big feeders. Because the broilers eat so much, they actually always have food, right?
1:05:34 so having the food all the time these big feeders they're able to just always unlike layers where you kind of want them to run out of food for about two hours and then feed them again broilers you want to have them constantly have access to food so these feeders they just dump food in there and then they'll eat and auto feed out of these so a little bit different this is definitely more commercial oriented but look at all these chickens running back and forth and getting huge are about ready to go in the fryer um and then here's the ground after shipping so apparently they ship
1:06:08 these chickens someplace um i guess you know but they've completely changed the manure into feed um and you know you got all this after after those birds are out of there what 20 days 30 days i don't know how fast broilers grow it's kind of gross if you've ever raised cornish crosses it's like they get so fat they can't even walk it's really gross it's not my favorite thing to do but they change it all into manure then you can use this grow better plants raise more chickens make more prosperity for you and your family and with that four minutes over five minutes over
1:06:47 we've done it folks we've done it we've done it we've done it thank you to master cho thank you to you guys. Thanks for everybody. We finally made it through 291 slides. We made it, we did it, and we went through all this. So I went over the broilers a little bit quicker, but, and I didn't go through their feeding regimen, but you know, it's for another time. We'll get back to that. We'll do those things. Um, and rainbow possum saying they did broilers for the first time this year. They're such monsters when you put the food down,
1:07:21 dogpiling at each other to get their food. We tractor jars on pasture too. Yep. They're wild. They're voracious. They're like little dinosaurs that are doing it. Um, and then, yeah, so raising broilers is gnarly, um, but well worth it. They're tasty. I mean, I'm not saying they're not tasty. It's just like, if you've ever done it yourself, you're just like, Whoa, that's the chicken I'm eating all the time. Wow. Okay. Um, those Cornish crosses, man, mutants. That's all I can say. could you make so Thomas I'll answer your last question here and love up to everybody
1:07:57 thanks for tuning in but I'm going to answer Thomas's question here could you make dry labs using wheat bran or something and mix it into the feed and put it in an auto feeder the answer is yes you can make dry labs and it's in the chicken poultry video when we go to Master Lee's farm Pastor Lee, Master Lee's farm and he'll show you. It's in one of the videos. So it's just like Bokashi brand. Yeah, it's very, Dry Labs is very similar to making Bokashi. You basically take rice bran, you put it in a barrel,
1:08:32 you pour on liquid IMO, stir it in a little bit, and you seal that. And in two weeks that turns into dry LAB. And it's very similar to making Bokashi brand. So if you ever made Bokashi, that's kind of a very similar thing um yeah and that's how to do it so you can and mix that into dry feed and do all that so yeah i want to thank you guys for tuning in um made it through the presentation we'll see what we get to in the next office hour i'll have something exciting and new i mean not that this presentation wasn't exciting and new but it's always you know tell your friends
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