JADAM Sulfur, Humic Acid From Compost, C90 Seawater Ratio
Drake answers a batch of emailed and live questions. He explains that IMO4 bed prep should happen any time soil gets disturbed, but after two or three seasons of natural farming a healthy orchard often stops needing it. He walks through nutrient cycling: fermented plant juice (FPJ) from fast-growing tips for leafy greens and juvenile plants, unripe fruit or flower FPJ for the flowering changeover, and ripe-fruit FPJ for finishing.
On IMO, he says microbes gathered close together with similar rainfall mix fine, but batches collected on separate days should be diluted and combined together at IMO3, not mixed straight into stored seed IMO. He covers JADAM: the potassium-hydroxide wetting agent is cheap, helps sprays penetrate leaves, and can smother soft-bodied pests, while JADAM sulfur works as a fungicide but can build up and make fruit taste sulfury. He also gives a rough C90 seawater reconstitution ratio (about 30g sea salt equivalent per liter, or 1g per liter for straight dilution strength).
Other topics: judging year-old refrigerated fermented fruit juice by smell and taste, adding turmeric to KNF medicine (OHN), why brassicas skip mycorrhizal fungus but still benefit from soil fungus, and starting KNF in a UK winter by saving eggshells and bones. He also explains making free humic and fulvic acid by running water through a holed bucket of compost or a worm bin, and contrasts Master Cho's IMO with JADAM Microbe Solution (JMS), which he compares to feeding land microbes after briefly turning them into water microbes and back.
He closes with tips on fish amino acid (KNF fuel): a yeast-and-alcohol smell is normal, it can be used as soon as it's liquid, and he now seals the lid instead of leaving it breathable. The episode ends with a silent video demo of building soil foundation with biochar and IMO4 around a lychee tree.
Questions answered
- 11:58 How often should IMO4 bed prep be redone each year? — Do IMO4 soil foundation any time you disturb the soil; after two or three seasons of natural farming, healthy soil may not need it anymore.
- 16:06 How does the nutrient cycle differ for leafy greens vs. fruiting plants? — Use fermented plant juice from fast-growing tips (KNF fuel) to bulk up leafy greens, then oscillate back to the skinny formula.
- 17:40 Do maintenance solutions change at different growth stages? — Yes: tip FPJ for juvenile plants, unripe fruit or flower FPJ during the flowering changeover, and ripe-fruit FPJ for finishing fruit.
- 20:07 Can IMO be collected from far-apart locations and combined? — Only combine IMO gathered from similar climates at the same time; never mix a new collection into an already-stored seed IMO batch.
- 25:00 What is the best brand of sea salt? — Any real, thoughtfully sourced sea salt works fine; skip Morton's since it isn't true sea salt.
- 26:40 Is JADAM wetting agent or sulfur good for a market garden? — The wetting agent helps sprays penetrate leaves and smothers soft pests, but JADAM sulfur can build up and make fruit taste sulfury.
- 33:00 How do you turn C90 into regular seawater? — Roughly 30 grams of sea salt equivalent per liter to reconstitute, or about 1 gram per liter for straight dilution strength.
- 35:45 Is year-old refrigerated fermented fruit juice still good? — Smell and taste it; it should not smell or taste like alcohol or vinegar, and it gets smoother the longer it sits.
- 40:18 Will adding turmeric overpower KNF medicine (OHN)? — Turmeric is bitter, so add it sparingly and separately rather than mixing it into the main batch.
- 43:14 Do brassicas connect with fungi the way other market greens do? — Brassicas skip mycorrhizal connections as pioneer plants, but soil fungus still matters for building soil aggregates.
- 47:01 How should someone in the UK start KNF in winter? — Start collecting eggshells and bones now for KNF structure and reproduction, and culture lactic acid bacteria from milk.
- 50:33 Can you make humic acid with potassium hydroxide and charcoal? — Skip that; instead run water through a holed bucket of compost two or three times, or run a small worm bin, for free humic acid.
- 55:30 Should JADAM microbe solution be used after tilling and before IMO? — JMS works early in bed prep, but it mostly feeds existing biology as a prebiotic rather than delivering Master Cho's actual IMO microbes.
- 1:01:20 How long should fish amino acid (KNF fuel) ferment, and is a yeasty smell bad? — A yeast-and-alcohol smell is fine; use it as soon as it's liquid, and seal the lid instead of leaving it breathable.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Welcome and I Ching: Keeping Still (Mountain)
- 3:48 Farming feels like punishment for doing right
- 12:22 Q&A begins - email your questions to drake@pureknf.org
- 16:06 Nutrient cycle: leafy greens vs. fruiting plants
- 17:40 Do maintenance solutions change by growth stage?
- 20:07 Combining IMO from different locations
- 25:00 Best brand of sea salt
- 26:40 JADAM wetting agent and sulfur for a market garden
- 33:00 Making seawater from C90
- 35:45 Shelf life of refrigerated fermented fruit juice
- 40:18 Adding turmeric to KNF medicine (OHN)
- 43:14 Brassicas and mycorrhizal fungi
- 47:01 Starting KNF in a UK winter
- 50:09 Bio Nutrient Food Association and sensor
- 50:33 Humic acid from compost and worm leachate
- 53:15 Making KNF fuel (fish amino acid)
- 56:02 Master Cho's IMO vs. JADAM Microbe Solution
- 59:27 Troubleshooting fish amino acid smell
- 1:01:20 Video: building soil foundation on a lychee tree
- 1:06:00 Closing thoughts
Transcript
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22:30 hey aloha and um good morning or it's probably not that morning for you guys because it starts at nine in hawaii and hawaii's kind of left but welcome to the global community K&F office hours with myself, Dr. Drake, and thank you all for being here. And I want to start off this morning, as usual, with a little bit of the Yi-Ching. And I've got some good questions today, so looking forward to getting into it. But first off, foremost, today's message is keeping still or mountain, which says to still your emotions through meditation.
23:29 So receiving this hexagram is a sign that you need to quiet your emotions so that you can think clearly. To answer the clamorings of the ego with action now is to invite misfortune. The I Ching counsels non-action and the stilling of emotions through meditation. It is in the nature of having a body to have strong feelings and impulses. However, if we allow our thinking to be controlled by them, we cannot act with the gentleness, neutrality, and graceful wisdom of the sage. Instead, we move rashly when we ought to keep still, or we solidify when we ought to remain
24:16 fluid. Therefore, it is necessary to quiet the body and its inferior elements so that our thoughts and actions may be clear and balanced. Three things are advised of us. First, sit quietly in a self-supported position with your back straight and your eyes closed. Second, observe the flow of your bodily emotions. Do not judge or resist them. The simple practice of watching them come, linger, and go without acting on them allows you to gradually separate them from your thought processes. And turd, turn your inner conflicts over to the deity for resolution. The help of
25:08 the higher power is only made available for those who ask for it in a disciplined way, and those who make an offering of their stillness and mindfulness. Through meditation, we reduce the influence of the inferior elements and make it possible for the sage to assist us. Keep still as a mountain now, and you will be rewarded with good fortune. Whew. Yeah, that's a good one, huh? um so got that one last night as well i've been feeling somewhat little frantic lately definitely slightly overstretched here at the farm i feel like i was thinking of it this morning
25:55 when i was waking up and i was like man feeling like i'm being drawn and quartered um being just pulled in every direction right now and it's it's like a it's almost like a punishment for farmers You know, when you try to do right, try to restore the environment, try to, you know, build the soil, it seems almost as if it's like a punishment for those that try to do right, where those that kind of exploit and just get this thing seem to get these riches.
26:25 You know, I look at my neighbors doing some poor agricultural practices where when it rains, it washes all the dirt off their field into the ocean and the ocean will get brown for like a quarter mile, half mile out. But they're making tons of money growing tons of sweet potatoes. and it's like um you know it just sometimes feels like man here i am doing regenerative ag doing all this stuff and um you know um it's just it's it's hard to value the same thing like if i monocultured and had a huge market i could just slam these crops out but is that really going to
27:07 sustain us into the future and into like the next generations of of food and all all that so those are the considerations I come at. And, um, you know, so returning to that stillness, having, having that confidence is, uh, is important. Um, so want to, want to thank you guys all for being here today, for tuning in, um, answering your Korean natural farming questions, getting into it. And, um, if we got it, uh, here we can, we can, uh, I got a video today too, to show you if I got time. I'll see how the questions go. But I already want to thank
27:47 Healing Earth Remediations, throwing down some money in the super chat here. And, you know, just I really feel like if I if I do this each Sunday, you guys get to be here, chat with each other in the chat and to build kind of this community that I've been working since 2008 to build you know went to korea saw all that stuff in with master cho there and um have been been to korea you know a dozen times at least um in the in since 2008 till now and trying to bring that technology here and really build this family and that's that is master cho's ultimate wish
28:29 um is to really build this this global community because it's not just about you know um it's healing the earth. It's healing us. It's healing our communities. It's healing everything. And so that's really, I thank you guys for the financial support on that. And then also last week had some donations. Just want to shout you guys out. Mike Spangler kicking down. Thank you. Also Healing Earth Remediations. Again, man, you've been consistent on this. It's really been helpful. Um, and stonemason from Oklahoma thrown down a little bit, uh, and grow pro, um,
29:14 guys are kind of regulars at this point, I guess. And I really, really appreciate that. And also want to let you know that this is brought to you, um, by the pure can of foundation. And there was a question in the chat. Is there a way to, um, donate to me without, um, without Google getting half of it because, um, even though Google's great, you know, I, I really appreciate YouTube and, um, this platform that they pretty much give out, um, you know, for free, but freedom is, you know, they're, they're mining all our data there and, and they are taking
29:53 not half, but, but a decent amount of it. And, and the revenue that comes in through YouTube, even though right now it's, um, not, not, not that significant to me, but it's still like they, take some of that money. And I mean, not that it's not significant and like it means a lot to me, so I appreciate it. But I'm talking about like ad revenue from YouTube. It's really like for the thousands of people that watch my YouTube channel, there's like they give a pittance of a small amount of money back. But it's really, you know, I'm not about I do this anyway. I really appreciate
30:29 you guys build the community, but is there a way to donate to me without having Google take half? And let's see here. Let me get this over to my screen and transition this guy over. Oh, and I think Grow Pro just threw down five bucks too. I really appreciate that. It's easy for me to see it in the super chat, but here we do have, if you want to make a donation, this isn't to me, This is to the foundation that sponsors me. But if you want to make a donation to a 501c3, you can go to pureknf.org and kick down here. This is our website. I'm not even sure there's a donation button.
31:17 Oh, there is. There is right here at the bottom. It says make a donation. I think you can click there and make a donation to the foundation that is the Pure Knife Foundation that helps to sponsor natural farming. And, um, you can read about our mission and all that at pureknf.org. However, if you want to make a donation directly to me, that helps me pay my bills and goes into like, you know, what I do. And, um, at I, my, my personal website is at naturalfarminghawaii.net. And, um, this is a website I've been running for a decade. It's here.
31:53 and if you go over here to the store on the right side you can't see it because my my um let me scroll now I can't scroll down because it's the menu but it's right under my picture right here and there's a link that says store and then it says right here make a donation if you click on that it takes you to this which is just an item in the cart that delivers zero products to you and it's a dollar. And if you increase this quantity, say it's like $9, $10, or if you're really a baller and you want to throw down through a thousand dollars in there,
32:28 something like that, I don't know, you know, just suggesting some things hit add to cart here and it will enable you to check out, um, with, um, you know, and here, here is a thousand dollars in my cart and then I can check out. And that way you can make a donation directly to me, but better yet even buy um buy some of the ebooks and donate that to someone who you think needs it and get some sort of product and or invest your money in your local community um but there are ways to support me with going around google and those um those are processed by stripe and they
33:05 only take three percent so um so interesting on those aspects but um enough of that i don't want to make this all about that. I want to jump into the questions because that's really what I want to to make this about. But I did want to did want to answer those because it's always nice if you know, if you see someone and you know, you don't know how to help them, then it's hard to help. But those are some ways you can financially contribute. The other way is to do natural farming in your area, spread it, teach it, grow it, heal the ocean. Uh, you know, it'd make me
33:45 feel better about having children, all that stuff. Um, keeping, keeping our community alive that way. Um, so I wanted to jump into some questions here. Let's see what I got. It is coming up right here. I got some really good questions. These came in a couple weeks ago, but they're actually December. Yeah, I think I missed this one last time, but Ronnie sent me an email. And if you would like to get a question to me, not in the live chat, but something that I'll answer, you can email me at drake, D-R-A-K-E at pureknf.org.
34:32 so that's my foundation email address and it's that's the best way to reach me for getting questions here into the office hour so ronnie is saying that he's a fan of the channel and checking in he's watched a bunch of videos which is great and but he's a novice gardener and he wants to bring more KNF into his life, which I highly recommend. So he's asking, what would a bed prep look like annually? So he says, you know, in the book, he understands that it says how to apply IMO4 should that be done every year. And the key,
35:21 when when when you're talking about building soil foundation which is actually what the video i have um today is is um is to do it be anytime you have soil disturbance so if i i dig into the soil or i like i dig up potatoes or something i really disturb the soil or i do tillage or i you know amend my beds and want to get you know things going do your imo4 treatment then so it's that's when you're using IMO 4 which is like what I call like activated IMO it's like that's what you want to use is right then your IMO 4 before your bread or bed prep or right after you do your bed prep
36:02 before you then get into sowing seeds or transplant and the key is to do your bed prep a little bit before you put spread the IMO 4 then you feed it with the solutions and that brings your whole soil to life before you put your seeds in. You don't want the mycelia throughout your beds before you're sowing seeds. So should it be done every year? Yes, especially if you're in a garden, high tillage type of thing. And it can be done multiple times a year. Say I only have a crop that goes for a month or two as soon as it's done, and I'm going to start my next prep.
36:41 do IMO4, do your soil foundation. However, there's a caveat to this. It is if you're in an orchard, you want to do your IMO4, but at a certain point in your life, you will notice, you will look around and typically Master Cho says this is, you know, three seasons of doing natural farming. You will look and you will be like, wow, my soil is so alive. I don't need to do this anymore. I, I, everything is cranking and there's no reason to do soil foundation. So it becomes more than of doing soil foundation, applying the IMO4 because you have those microbes already there. It's more
37:21 of feeding them and bringing, thinking of the environment. If you think of a forest, forests are dropping leaves, they're dropping fruits or, you know, this, this decay, this whole thing is happening. So your mission then is to make sure you're mulching, um, or adding those types of things to simulate your, your forest and that, but it can get self-sufficient is what I want to bring it to. However, if you're doing a bunch of tillage, you're, you're always setting yourself back. So then you just reset and move forward. Um, so I hope, hope that's making sense
37:58 there. And then, um, and then he's asking here, a lot of produce is leafy greens. And how does that affect the nutritional cycle of leafy greens compared to fruiting plants? And these, um, it's, it's pretty similar in terms of what you're doing between what plant. The key is to be able, if you're growing just leafy greens, say I'm growing a lettuce, I'm, I'm interrupting and harvesting the lettuce before it goes through its flowering and bolting period. And so majority of what I'm going to want to be using for it is like the leaf solution or what I call like the chubby
38:40 solution to make the thing chubby because I want that leaf, that green. I want the leaves to grow. And what the key to that one is, is it contains a lot of fish amino acid, what I call can of fuel, because that makes it really grow. That fuel really makes the leaves grow out and be good there. However, you are going to rotate from that back to the skinny formula just a little bit and oscillate. And I really need to do a detailed thing on nutritional cycle or have a diagram or really go into this heavy to explain it because I do a lot of hand-waving stuff and it's by
39:19 far the most complex part of natural farming is understanding the nutrient cycle and when to do it. Um, so I know I probably didn't really answer that quality there. Um, but he's also asking this last question is, are the maintenance solutions different at different stages? And the answer is yes. What you're going to change in your maintenance solution at different stages are when I have juvenile plants that are leafing. I'm going to include a, uh, a K and F food also called fermented plant juice made from a, um, tips. So go out and harvest something that's growing really
40:05 fast, really vigorously. Bamboo is a great choice. Um, I use sweet potato tips. I'll use anything that's banana tips, anything that's growing really fast. Um, and those are just plants I have in my area, but whatever weeds are growing really fast, grab a bunch of those, grab those tips and use that in the juvenile stage. Then your maintenance solution when things are going into flower or into their changeover period should be from your food should be made from unripe fruits or flowers. And that will help transition that.
40:40 And then when you're going into the later stage of fruiting, you want to make your can food from, um, from fruits, ripe fruits. And that way you're getting more of the, um, you know, potassiums and those types of things that are really good for finishing out fruits. And so the rest of your maintenance solution or, um, yeah, your maintenance formula stays pretty much the same where you're using the same vinegar, the same, um, calcium phosphate, which I call structure and the same KNF medicine, which is, you know, called rental herbal nutrient.
41:19 Those are the same. Those three stay the same, but you can alter the food that you're putting in. So your maintenance solution can differ there. So yeah, happy to help out Ronnie there and answer some of those questions. And yeah. And then, so I'm going to jump in here to the chat and get into these questions here. See, scroll through. I already got that question answered. Let's see here. So, um, so, um, can Amanda is asking her, has anyone ever collected IMO from making
42:06 from many locations, very far apart and combine them all. And so, um, there's two, um, two things. One is that you don't want to go and grab IMO from something that is a really, really different climate. So from, from very far away, um, you want to be somewhat, um, careful. And what I mean by far away. For me in this island here, the big island's fairly large. And it's something like where if I gather from this side of the island, I'm on the east side, which is the wet side of the island. And it's one of the wettest cities on earth. If I get microbes from here, anywhere on
42:49 this wet side where the rainfall is like within the same, I get about 180 inches, 200 inches a year, anywhere that's in that range, I'm going to have similar microbes. If I go to the other side of the island, the Kona side, where it's much more dry and desert, and I get the microbes from there and bring them back over here, they're not going to do as well. So when it says very far apart, there's not necessarily a need to grab IMO from very far away. However, if you are on your area and say you have a mountain near you, doing a collection on the north side and the south side
43:30 and the east and the west side of the mountain, you're going to get different microbiome developing because there's different sunlight and all those things. So thinking of very far apart, it's more like thinking like, what is in my little area climactically different? And how am I going to to find what I need here. And the second part of that is that combining the batches. If I go and I set a bunch of IMO boxes, say I get like four boxes and set them four of different sides of this hill near me and I collect, then if I get them all at the same time, they all come nice, then I
44:09 combine them all right then, that's fine. However, if I do one collection this week and then next week I do another collection, those should be stored separately in two separate jars. But then when I go to make my IMO, um, prop like propagate the IMO in, in mill run to make what they call like, you know, IMO three or three, I would take two of those and take out a cup or a half cup of those. And, you know, depending on how much you're making, take that amount to dilute into the water from both those batches and mix them into the water and then combine them into
44:46 my IMO three pile. So don't try to take a collection that I've already had stored and get a new collection and then mix it into there as a, as an IMO two, like in, in the, in the seed IMO, the, the preserved seed IMO that, that won't give you good results, but, but if you do it all at once and you take all those batches and mix them, they mix the sugar in, it should be fine because the microbes kind of communicate with each other. It's just like, I mean, imagine like gangs and turf wars and things like if you get a bunch of kids and you bring them to a school,
45:19 they're going to be fine. You know, you can mix kids from different areas together in a school, but if you get established old gangs and you try to mix them, they're going to fight. And it's, it's just, so all these things in natural farming are really thinking about like that still, like return back to that stillness, return back to that area where you can think from your perspective on how these things interact with each other. And really that's, that's, what's helped me is, um, just, just the IMOs are just like
45:50 us, you know, they're, they're micro, um, critters and they, they like the same temperatures. They like, they have the same social dynamics. They got the same attitudes, you know, even, even they have, um, you know, levels of racism that they, they encountered and struggles and all those things, um, that they, they end up with. So think, think about it like that. Um, so, Oh yeah. What's up humble. um i got a um i'm starting a training um tomorrow monday and um a um person that i haven't met yet named hope is coming down from humboldt so plenty people from humboldt coming down here to learn
46:35 um lots of imos and uh natural farming happening up there happy you guys are doing that um okay let's see here oh man i just got kicked down on the scroll okay so let's see yeah okay and so um stonemason is asking um what is the best brand of sea salt and um this is an interesting question because all salt should be pretty much similar salt however um it's not and and um a brand of sea salt like um you know i think i i heard once that the the
47:25 real salt out of utah is the best but i would in in since you're in oklahoma it makes sense that you're getting sea salt to do this type of remineralization. I just, I mean, here in Hawaii, I'm able to get Hawaiian sea salt where they basically take ocean water and dry it out. I've heard that you don't want stuff that's kiln dried because it can change the consistency of it. but i think any sea salt like real salt himalayan salt i i don't know um but just don't use like morton salt because that's not sea salt that's from like some industrial process and it is not
48:14 there but anything that's labeled sea salt that's actually sea salt should be good and so i'd go for for the most thoughtfully sourced sea salt you can get. Okay, and so Eyewitness, what's up Eyewitness, how are you? Good to see you, I'm glad you're here. Says they've been looking into the Jadam system for if I start a market garden. Any comments on it? mainly what they call the Jadam wedding agent or the Jadam sulfur? So this is a great question. And I have, I'd say, a lot of experience with Jadam.
49:03 Spent a ton of time with Yongsung Cho, who's Master Cho's son, who's the innovator of Jadam's system. and it is a crude way to get started. And at a certain point I called it disgustingly cheap KNF because I was kind of upset with Young Song because they, we had some political politics and nothing's like Korean, like their dramas, let me tell you. Um, so, um, but if you are looking at, using that system i would use it as something to start your beds but do not use their microbial solution or their liquid fertilizer before harvest like don't use it any like a week two
49:51 weeks before you're pulling something because the potential for pathogens in there is much is is like almost a hundred percent um they're you know it's because it's anaerobic and it's stinky and it's gross and it it's a simple way to break things down what i consider jadam to be is like if a grid down situation happened and i can't get sugar and i can't get all these things you know i'm going to be going to that solution because basically you just need a bucket and you and you know if you're interested look into their their system buy their book it's excellent
50:27 um and but you're asking primarily about the the jadam wetting agent which is like similar to bronner's soap it's almost identical um except for depends on the kind of oil you use but the wetting agent i take um potassium hydroxide and oil and water mix those together with a blender and all. It's a simple process to make soap. And I use that soap for everything. Um, washing my, you know, my body, washing my clothes, washing my dishes. Um, but it's also a really good wetting agent, which is a sticker spreader. And it's extremely cheap to make. If you make a huge
51:10 batch of it, it's really cheap. And what it can help is when you're, excuse me, when you're applying liquid nutrients, it goes and it penetrates. So if I spray something and it usually make like, here's my leaf surface here. And I spray something, it would usually make a water droplet. If I add that wetting agent, it spreads out. And so as that spreads out, now I'm going to get more nutrient absorption because whatever liquid nutrients were with that, the soap helps it spread out. Now it has much more surface area to go in. It's also useful as that soap is if I have
51:45 like aphids and pests that breathe through their skin and leaf sucker type of things. If I spray those, it'll choke them. The soap will actually, especially if you make it real sudsy, it'll suffocate them and die. So it itself, just soap, acts as a pesticide. And the Jadam sulfur is kind of the holy grail of pesticides that back before we developed all these other neonicotinoids, and all these other things. We use sulfur and they still use copper today for a bunch of like fungicides and these things. So these simple elements of the sulfur, the sulfur, however,
52:27 is super gnarly. It'll, it'll kill pests, but it'll also, because it, it is so absorbable into the plant and plants uptake sulfur, it's one of the key nutrients they need. They can take up too much and it can cause your plants to be, um, taste a little sulfury. So be careful using it, um, at the end. Um, it's, it's best to like, you know, if you have pest problems in the beginning to use that kind of thing, but also use it with discretion. And I always encourage people to, to just use natural farming and to, and to build better soil foundation, because if you're suffering
53:06 from pests, odds are that your soil foundation or your nutritional program could be better. Because if you're healthy, you're not going to suffer from disease. It's like these pests, the way I think of it is they're helpers. They're like janitors. They're just like cleaning up, like, you know, stuff's fallen down. They're cleaning it up. We look at it and we're like, oh no, my, my plant's being attacked by bugs. It's because your plant is screaming out saying, kill me you know it's like it's like arnold schwarzenegger with the predator saying kill me
53:37 kill me now do it you know do it now kill me the plants are just begging for something to kill them and the and the pests are just showing up to be like okay i'll kill you because they're trying to clear that area out clear that energy to make it so that health can emerge there so if your plant is healthy it exudes natural anti-pest things and a pest will take a bite of your leaf and it'll be like, Ooh, that was not good. It was bitter. It doesn't taste good. The plant isn't asking to die and it'll go away. So anytime you're, you are using pesticides and those types of things, just
54:12 think about it that you, and I'm not saying that you, um, you don't not use those things because it depends on your situation. But, um, in my case, I, I end up just going with nutrition to be the way to get around that. So those are my thoughts on Jadam. Amazing book that they have, well worth the read. And their solutions are invaluable, especially in places where you don't have the same amount of money or access. Or if, say, I want to treat like 10,000 acres and I want to just spray and deal with these things, those solutions are where it's at because it's so
54:54 inexpensive. So GrowPro is saying if I use C90 for my sea salt, how do I prepare a gallon of it for it to be like regular seawater? And I believe C90 is just sea salt with the sodium and chloride removed. It's a commercial product you can buy. It says C90 here. Sometimes I've heard it called C60, but it has all the elements because seawater has every single element. So if you're deficient in anything, say I don't have enough boron, seawater will fix it. Say I don't have enough cesium, seawater will fix it. Say I don't have enough plutonium, seawater will fix it. Say I
55:36 don't have enough gold, seawater will fix it. And so what they do with C90 is they extract out the sodium and chloride, I think by actually throwing potassium hydroxide into water with sea water, and then the solids fall out. I don't actually know the exact method, but I know that's a way to get sea solids out. And how would you use it? I would think that it would be very similar to making, like to make seawater reconstituted seawater. So to make reconstituted seawater for every liter of water, you're going to add 30 grams of sea salt. So I would imagine if you're
56:20 going to make seawater back from C90, you would just add 30 grams of sea salt per liter of water that you're trying to reconstitute. However, I don't know if they took out the sodium and chloride. Maybe it's half that. I don't know. I'd have to research more. But all those minerals and things you're getting out of seawater, I'd imagine it's around there. Typically, you're diluting the seawater then 1 to 30. So if I take 30 grams per liter to make seawater, and then I'm diluting it 1 to 30. If I want to make the dilution straight and skip making the concentrated stuff, and I just
57:06 want to make this dilution straight, I would just add one gram per liter, and that would get me my 1 to 30 dilution. So hopefully that's making sense, and it's in the book, which is at naturalfarminghawaii.net, and why not just pitch it? If you guys don't have it, naturalfarminghawaii.net, also KNF support. There's a link to this recipe book and it outlines how to, how to do this stuff. So that's a good thing to have. Um, all right. So we got, Michael is asking here, I have super saturated, uh, fermented fruit juice that's been in the fridge for over a year. Is it still good?
57:50 Oh, okay. If you have a can of food or also called a fermented fruit juice or plant juice, both the things are the same can of food, and you want to know if it's still good. Number one thing I do when I'm trying to evaluate, is this still good? I'm living on the edge and I use my body to do it. So what I do first, number one, smell it. If it's super saturated and it's still good, it should smell regular. If you're smelling alcohol or vinegar, and this is if you just open the thing, it may have an alcohol smell above it. So let it off gas a little bit and take
58:37 a little bit out of it, but smell. Your nose is the first detector to say, okay, is this good or not. If it's alcohol or vinegar, then skip it. Uh, then, then it's, it's probably went bad. Um, the second thing I'll do is I will dip my finger in and taste it because I'm, that's how I roll. And the key is that it should not taste like alcohol or vinegar or those things. And the thing is the longer this stuff stores, the more smoother it'll taste. And not to say it's not going to have any alcohol in it because it does have a tiny, tiny bit of it, like maybe
59:13 like a percent or half a percent of alcohol in there, but it shouldn't taste strong like alcohol and it should taste smooth. The longer you let these things go, the more they are smoother and better for your fruiting stage and your later stage. So if you made it from fruits, it's already good for fruiting stage. But if I made it from growth tips and I had stored this in the fridge for a year, most likely it would have more turned into a, um, a wine-ish type of thing, and it's better for fruiting stage. So that's how I evaluate it. Smell, taste, look, if I see any
59:49 molds, those types of things, you know, um, avoid, you know, avoid those things. And it's always good to just, you know, mix up a bunch. And if, if it's, if it's not good and spray it into your compost it'll act as a compost accelerator there um so good good so um so cannaman cannamandan yeah i like that name is saying he loves uh loves his ohn and yeah i i love it too um the knf i call it knf medicine because sometimes people say ohm and all kinds of weird acronyms, but it's probably one of the best solutions. And right here behind me, there's
1:00:35 a bunch of jars right there. And these ones over, this one right there, I'm dyslexic here. Okay, there. These are calcium phosphates. But these ones here are my KNF medicine. And I'm always shaking those when I'm in here in the office and keep those easy to stir them each day. And I'm looking forward to this class because finally I get to do a pour off. Like I was saying last week, I actually take one month before between pour offs instead of every two weeks, just because I have classes and I have so much of it already made. I have five gallon buckets of each solution sitting there.
1:01:14 And I did a really good job, well, at least I think so, of explaining how to do the pour off last week. So if you want, check out that. And if you're wondering where those are, why not pitch something else here? That all the past episodes are at KNF Support under Office Hours here. And say click Office Hours and check this out. I even made it. Yeah, so each time there's a table of contents, that table of contents pops here too. So I did a little bit of work on the website to make this more valuable. So you can search and find things.
1:01:55 And it looks like our table of contents for this one is going to get updated and posted there soon. So that's how to get to that stuff. And so he's saying the flavor and the way it overlaps is amazing. The traditional mix of garlic, ginger, cinnamon, and angelica. My question is, if I add turmeric, will it overpower the flavor? okay so this is a this this is a great question with the knf medicine of being um can you add other things to it will it overpower the flavor um a little bit turmeric tends to be a little bitter
1:02:32 to it um so if you're gonna mix it in i would i would keep it kind of separate and just add it in a little bit here and there as needed. The one thing with this, with KNF medicine, is that there's all kinds of herbs you can use besides those five traditional herbs. What you want to look for is, are they good for digestion and are they good for reproduction? And if those are, you can make things, you can tincture, ferment and tincture, follow the same recipe process to make this KNF medicine and you can make all kinds of different things from your regions in your
1:03:12 areas. Um, however, if you're going to mix them all together and mix the batch, um, be, you know, be careful using it, um, especially for human use. Um, you want to, you want to just, um, you know, go, go easy on certain things. Um, I've made, um, ferments from, um, oregano and it caused some stomach cramps. I think, you know, maybe I was just getting used to it or maybe it's something I needed. Maybe it was purging something out of me. I don't know, but anytime you're adding other things in, be a little careful there.
1:03:52 Yeah. And can Amanda and just taste your, just taste your, your fermented fruit juice. But again, smell first then taste always smell before you taste don't just put things in your mouth because if they smell to you where it's like oh upset your nose nose and it's right above your mouth to keep you from putting bad things into your mouth so if you smell it at the last minute and it smells stink it's your nose is the oldest thing oldest sense you have it's the oldest sensory organ and um it it's designed to help keep bad microbes from entering your body
1:04:30 for forever and that's why we've we've stayed alive and healing earth remediation is saying yeah it tastes good with the turmeric in it i i like the turmeric it's it's good okay so let's see here oh why does it scroll me when i click the thing okay okay let's see here oh man there's been a bunch it didn't reload my chat you guys have been on this okay so um yeah okay so um yeah grabbing collections okay brassicas have no cord no coordination with fungi as most market greens, it takes 90 days to make fungal connections. What are Drake's thoughts on
1:05:19 this statement? Okay. So thanks Heather for this question. You're saying that brassicas don't interact with, um, fungus in, in the same way. So what I want to bring up is that there, there are like four families of fungus. And when you're saying that brassicas have no connection with fungus, what you're saying is they don't have mycorrhizal connections, meaning that a mycorrhiza is a fungus that reaches out into your soil and then actually plugs into your plant root and has this connection where the fungus, so a mycorrhizae fungus, the brassicas don't have
1:05:59 connection. And this is totally true. They adapted to not need that because they're great pioneer plants that can go into damaged bacterial lands and they're actually part of this succession that brassicas are some of the first things you can plant as you successively grow brassicas you can actually increase your soil fertility however i do want to mention that the fungus is important because it builds soil structure so even though you don't have mycorrhizae fungus that are plugging into your plant roots fungus in your soil is still important because that's what
1:06:33 balls up the soil and makes soil aggregates and takes those bacterias and is able to aggregate them to make it so that the water and air and liquids can move through. So as you increase your fungal content in your soil, it helps improve your tilth, which then based on your organic matter and what you're putting in, it can help. So my thoughts are that it's not working with mycorrhizae, but fungus is still important to put into your soils to help grow things. However, things that are leafy greens, fast-growing brassicas, they don't need as much fungus in the soil to thrive naturally.
1:07:16 So, okay, let's see here. oh hey say so um noah is saying is it no it's new one no i can't uh my eyes are it's too early to look at this screen um saying he looked at the blog and saw all those things and there's great info yeah so natural farming hawaii.net has a bunch of content i'm working on a bunch of stuff here and appreciate everyone who checks it out some guys were just checking commented on some of the poultry seminars I had where it's only like only like 200 views on it and I'm like why don't more people watch this I always complain about this on this show I'm not
1:07:59 complaining but it's like I have just one actually my problems is I have too much info and not enough of it sorted and put it into like clean boxes so you find it it's like going into a library where there's just all these great textbooks and like high level math and you're like well where's the basics. How do I get started? And that's trying to work on that bit of it though, and, uh, build an index and a dictionary so people can, can find these things. Cause I've just been documenting natural farming for years. And as a farmer, I'm busy and I end up not, you know, just dumping
1:08:31 raw video versus editing it. And when I do put edits out, you know, it takes me a lot of time and I maybe should get an editor or something. I don't know, but, um, someone who enjoys doing that but it's it's always interesting getting the flow to go i um anyway um okay so going here oh let's see okay so um kin is saying he's in the uk or him or her i'm not sure in the uk and um new to this concept but wanted to incorporate this in the garden what would i suggest to start as it's winter here now. One thing I would definitely start with in winter is collecting
1:09:17 your eggshells. Start collecting your eggshells. Take fruits that you have that are not so good and start to follow the vinegar recipes. It's best thought to try to make a fermented, like a food can of food like a fruit juice or a plant juice in winter just because the stuff you're getting is coming from further away and it's been handled and it's been treated and you're probably gonna have to get it from the store but when spring comes around start to make those things get ready for your planting but start to get bones and eggshells collecting those and start
1:09:58 to make your knf structure from the bones by charring those and your knf reproduction from the eggshells and, and, you know, um, toast those to make them nice, like a marshmallow and dissolve those in vinegar. So those two recipes are something I would definitely start on because, you know, if you're eating eggs and you got a whole bunch, collect them, pull out the membrane, um, and get all that together and start, start with those recipes for sure. Um, also you can probably get milk and to make a lactic acid bacteria, which I call
1:10:31 the KNF protectors that, you know, it's, those are, those are easy to culture and get those going. So all those recipes are in the recipe book, but those are the things that I would start with in winter. That would be easy. It's also winter here in Hawaii, but it doesn't really matter. Oh, so, so Nick is saying that after using the Jadam sulfur, his oranges smelled like sulfur and he's never using it again. That's absolutely the warning I would talk about in fruits and these things. It aggregates it. It can be nasty. That's what I was saying earlier. It's funny you
1:11:08 guys laugh at that. And then, oh, the other thing I would do in winter is I got a class coming up in February. Come to Hawaii. Come learn. Come hang out. Get this stuff to, you know, go in. it's always a fun thing to do in winter. Okay. And so Heather is asking here also the food nutrition density guy, his name says 75 pound rock salt per acre. And just any unrefined salt deposit was once a salty, so cheap rock salt. Food nutrition density guy, you might be talking about Dan Kitteridge. And last week I showed his bio nutrient sensor, which I've been playing
1:11:49 around with and doing that kind of stuff. Um, if you're not checking it out, definitely check out the bio, uh, bio nutrient food association, the BFA, their YouTube channel. It is lit, um, tons of information. So check those things out. I like this that Francis made fish amino acid, the can of fuel with fish he caught. Nothing could be closer to the source, man. Way to go way to put those extra um you know things into a way to way to make something for your garden especially the heads if you're not going to make fish head soup make a um ferment that way okay and it says can we make
1:12:30 humus humus at humic acid with potassium hydroxide and charcoal any recipes um i am And there are ways that folks make humic acid from like Leonardite and like things that are preceding coal and they dissolve them somehow and make them liquid. What I'm going to recommend to you, though, is to make humic acid. If you need it in large quantities, just purchase it where it's already made for you. Humic and fulvic acids, if you can get those things and you can purchase like big totes of those if you're on a large scale.
1:13:10 If you're on a small scale or a medium scale, the classic way to do it is take compost, put it in a bucket where you drilled holes in the bottom, and then run water through it. Not spraying it trying to knock the biology off, but just run water through it. The water that will come out will be kind of brownish. And this recipe is from Elaine Ingham, who talks about this all the time. that brown water that's coming out is full of humic acids and is humic acid water so and then take that water again that came out from the bottom and then pour it back in the top and run
1:13:48 it through your compost two or three times to concentrate it to get it really nice and brown water and now you got free humic acids just coming off your compost the free fulvic acids all those things the other thing to do is to get a worm farm and just a small little worm bin you can keep worms in, um, and then the leachate that comes out of there and the stuff that you get from your worms is amazing, great stuff. And it can be, um, you know, it has all kinds of other microbiology in it, but it, worm leachate and worm castings reconstituted are chock full of humic and fulvic
1:14:28 acids. That's why when you use them in as a soil or with, with things, they, it is a major fungal booster because fungus loves humic and fulvic acid. It's its favorite food. And so when you use worm juice in with these other solutions, you're going to add those humic and fulvics. And that's really a simple way is to keep a small worm farm that can digest your, um, your food scraps. If you blend them up and put them in there and keep them, it's really the way to to make that stuff um okay and francis is saying yeah he followed the
1:15:07 recipe here of one to one after 10 days um so when you're making can of fuel the fish amino acid recipe if you put a sugar cap on top and it melt and it melts into the liquid um and some of the fish rises to the surface, it's not a problem if it doesn't smell like, like, and what I mean by that is like smelling like rotting fish. It can still smell like fresh fish or like fishy smell, but it doesn't smell rotten where like you smell it and you're like, Oh, you, you feel like you got to puke. Like it caused, you know, in, in, you know, I can't say that normal fish smell
1:15:45 doesn't make certain people puke, but it, but it's that, it's that idea that it's not smelling rotten. And if your cap melts in, no problem. If you've added enough sugar, it's really, you're trying to get that first couple of days past, like that once you get it to happen, the lactobacillus takes over and then the, the, the stuff starts to grow and then you get good biology happening and you, and it, it starts to ferment versus rot or putrefy. And, um, sometimes you'll get slight molds. Like I'll have, I'll have yellow things or white things
1:16:19 growing on the fish that's floated up, that's fine too. Don't, don't worry about that. There's so much lactic acid bacteria in there that the liquid that's down below that I'm pouring out, it it's, um, we've sent it to a lab and it's cleaner than most people's kitchen in terms of, um, bacterial content of pathogens. Um, so yeah, so you guys in, in, in healing earth remediations is saying, you know, the, the longer you let the fish amino acid, the kind of fuel sit, the better it becomes. And I have some like five, seven year old batches that
1:16:53 are just so smooth. I don't even use them for the farm anymore. Those are the ones that we use for making kimchi and stir fries in the kitchen. And, and yeah, so the longer, as soon as you get liquids, you can use fish amino acid. So, you know, some people will say you need to wait three, six months, a year. As soon as you get liquid, you can use it. But the longer you wait, the simpler the aminos are going to become, the better your plant can absorb it, the better it's going to go. So here also Eyewitness was saying, I was thinking of using the Jadam microbe solution
1:17:32 after a shallow tillage in order to lessen compaction, make beds, and then utilizing IMO for the beds and even wood chip walkways. And it's good to know about the sulfur. Okay. so i would definitely use jms um early in bed prep all those things i would you know master chose microbes like i don't know if i've ever talked about this in the office hour but it's something i've talked about prior where master the difference between imo like master chose recipe imo one two three four what i call you know seed imo propagated activated imo those are these oh
1:18:09 those are always soil based they're always staying dry land they're always staying like what would happen if microbes are growing on land? The difference with Jadam is you're taking those microbes that are land-based, you're putting them into water. So you're taking what, like, imagine they're goats because they're on the land, and you put them into water, they become dolphins. Then you're putting those dolphins back onto your land, so they got to re-evolve to become goats again. So you're asking the biology to go from land-based to water-based back to land-based.
1:18:40 so imagine a goat going to a dolphin going back to a goat it's not going to work the same as master cho is saying a goat a goat a goat like it's gonna you're gonna have stronger you know i'm just using a goat as an animal pick any any land-based animal maybe monkey a monkey a monkey a monkey a water monkey a monkey but um so those things going back and forth um it it oftentimes the the jadam microbe solution is not actually the biology you want what they end up being is more like prebiotics and what they do is they feed the biology that is there so imagine i
1:19:21 take a goat and i throw it in the ocean it's going to break down and all that ocean life is going to eat it and grow and then i take those those ocean life like the fish and the dolphins and i put them onto the land, they're going to break down and rot and they're going to feed bears and all kinds of, you know, pigs and in my case, mongoose and all kinds of animals that are land-based. And so as opposed to taking something that's from here and putting it there, it's more like it feeds what's in the other situation. So the JMS itself, the Jadam Microbe Solution, is not, it's, you're
1:19:55 not going to get as good of results as you are with master chose um imos however in terms of difficulty jadam microbe solution is like anybody can do it you take some potatoes grind them up throw them in water take some dirt that's nice and balled up throw it in and throw in some sea salt in water and let that go it's like how can you mess that up versus if you go master chose method. It's like, you got to get these microbes. They got to be the right looking ones that you get. You got to, you know, cultivate it from a great place, bring it. And then you have to,
1:20:32 um, uh, hang on one sec. I gotta do something right here. This hard drive is going to shut off otherwise. Okay. Um, is you, you know, so, so if you don't do that transition, that that's, that's the difference between those. That's, that's what I'm trying to, um, make bring into your mindset here is that those those things um of how they work um so hopefully that was clear i kind of got distracted midway through that it's interesting to try to produce the show and answer the questions and do all this at once i
1:21:06 think most people have help but i seem to be stubborn i'm a wood ox so i'm stubborn on that oh no that just shut down I didn't want that to happen okay um okay and Francis is saying his thing smells a little bit like yeast and alcohol it can smell like that um oh in your fish amino acid yeah or excuse me in yeah your fish aminos if it smells like that. That's, that's fine. Those, those aren't bad smells. Um, oh, and, and so Francis, um, if you're saying that you have it in your, um, in your living room cover of paper towels,
1:21:51 um, personally I'd throw on a sealed lid and, um, because what can happen is as you keep it longer, it, um, it, some stuff will evaporate. Um, and I put a sealed lid just to prevent any bugs from coming in here in Hawaii we got black soldier flies all kinds of things that'll lay maggots in there and if they get through um I know the recipe says calls for a breathable lid but in my experience man just cap that thing it's mostly lactobacillus that's doing the breakdown just cap it and seal it up and in the long run you'll turn out better so anytime you're making can of fuel seal that
1:22:29 thing. Um, it'll work out better for you. Okay. And, oh man, I got a few more questions here. Um, but I think what I'm going to do is, um, get to these next time because I appreciate you guys here. Oh, you're talking about chickens. I love chickens. I really want to do a whole thing on livestock here. And, oh yeah. Oh man. Well, how did all these questions appear when I'm doing this. Anyway, what I, what I wanted to end with today, and I kind of messed it up because I think this thing dropped out, but I just wanted to, um, let's see here. Let's do this where I'm
1:23:15 actually going to grab these here. Um, so what I wanted, what I wanted to do today, I just, I want to thank you a for tuning in B for doing this C for your support, really feel, you know, building a good family here and all that. Um, and I wanted to end this one here today with this video and there's no, there's no, um, talking to this. It's, um, I haven't, I haven't done the voiceover yet and, but it's more of what they call ASMR, which is an interesting thing, um, to look at, but it's just the visual. And I want to show you guys, um, this video here that is the how to build soil foundation.
1:24:03 So this is an example of what I'm doing to prep around a fruit tree, but you could use this on anything. And if you look at what I'm doing, I'm doing 100 square feet or one fruit tree with this recipe. And you can see how much of this stuff that I'm using and what I'm doing to use all this. So there's no description to this. and I know it's kind of hand-waving and whatever, but I think it might be useful for you guys to see this, and eventually this is where I'm headed this year with YouTube and all that to get these
1:24:36 things together. So let me maximize this, and there's no way to get, oh, there is a way to get rid of me here, which is, oh no, it's not that one. It's this one. Okay, and I'm just gonna play this video for you guys. So hang on here. Oh, and my music died. So I guess I could narrate it since there's no audio coming through
1:25:23 And so basically the first thing we're doing is mixing biochar with KNF fuel to activate it. So it really stores all that KNF fuel into this biochar that you're seeing. Then now we're going, these are the things we need to do this. We got some IMOs and some maintenance. We're measuring out the IMO 4 here. And for 100 square feet, it's about 5 pounds. Here I am going around this lychee tree. and what I'm doing is I'm sprinkling out the biochar just kind of lightly. Now I'm sprinkling out the IMO 4 around the tree and I'm just kind of spreading it evenly right in the drip line
1:26:03 and it took five pounds just to go around that and then after I put the IMOs down I'm making a solution to spray it and activate it and I use my KNF app to make sure that I get the dilutions correct for my measurements and I am adding these in this is the food that I'm adding and it looks like it's about 20 milliliters of that and then my cleanser and if you're looking for the app it's on the iOS and Android stores and KNF solution calculator and there's the cleanser going in then this is some medicine that I over poured and instead of pouring it back I always drink it to
1:26:47 make sure that I don't overpour, adding some medicine in there. And then the third and final thing is, um, what is that? It's probably, that's, I think that was our structure or actually I think it was protectors. Anyway, adding in, oh man, I'm not doing a good job narrating this, but adding our minerals in here, adding that into the, um, the tank there, getting all those set up and we got our nice little setup and this is pretty much the solution for everything. It's maintenance. And, and then what I'm doing is using the sprayer and it takes, um, I think it was 0.2 gallons or
1:27:36 something. I should really get this together, but I'm just lightly misting over. And the idea is that everywhere I've spread the IMO and the biochar, I'm just trying to get it lightly wet. And so this is basically what we did to build soil foundation around this tree. So that's, yeah. So anyway, that's a video working on these things to kind of narrate these things and put out this video series coming up this year, 2022. been working on this. So did want to just give you kind of a sneak peek preview because if you've
1:28:13 stayed this long into the broadcast, you're obviously a fan and I really appreciate you. Want to wish you the best on your natural farming out there. All the questions I didn't get to today, I will try to get to next time, but I don't want to rush too much. Stay still as a mountain. remind you that thank you, stay steady, stay strong we got this and as always love you guys and long live the natural farmer Aloha