Nutrient Cycle, Changeover Period, and OHN Extractions
Drake opens with a listener question: do you need to make all five pour-offs of OHN? No, he says, you can stop early. But the longer you store all five, the more potent the medicine gets, and a full batch settles out to about five gallons of finished solution.
Most of the hour goes to Master Cho's nutrient cycle. Drake walks through the three stages of a crop's life: nutritional growth, the changeover period, and reproductive growth. Nutritional growth wants heavy nitrogen for leaf and cell division. The changeover period wants little nitrogen but a lot of phosphorus and potassium. Reproductive growth wants calcium to move carbohydrates into fruits, nuts, and seeds.
The changeover period, Drake says, is the most important time to spray. Master Cho calls it the plant's morning sickness, tied to floral differentiation. Applying extra phosphorus, such as water-soluble calcium phosphate or ash from sesame or soybean stems, about a week ahead helps the plant through it. Drake also reviews Master Cho's 60-day seedling schedule (sprays roughly every five days) and a longer outdoor schedule running mid-April to late October (sprays every seven to eleven days).
Drake ties this back to his own book, where Master Cho's numbered types become seven formulas built from nine core solutions: maintenance, soil, seed, leaf, bloom, fruit, and harvest. Leaf and fruit formulas alternate rather than running straight through, which shows up as a chubby-skinny growth pattern in the plant. He closes with an update that a committee is working on the KNF farmer directory, now with some funding in place.
Questions answered
- 7:35 Do you need to make all five OHN pour-offs? — No, you can stop early, but going through all five and storing them means the medicine gets more potent over time.
- 9:17 What is Master Cho's nutrient cycle theory? — It matches the right nutrients to a plant's needs at each growth stage, and the cycle repeats in loops rather than running once.
- 29:04 What are the three stages of Master Cho's nutrition cycle of crop? — Nutritional growth, the changeover period, and reproductive growth, like a plant's childhood, adolescence, and adulthood.
- 37:57 When is the most important time to spray a crop? — During the changeover period, right before floral differentiation, when the plant has what Master Cho calls morning sickness.
- 39:24 What should you spray a week before floral differentiation? — Extra phosphorus, such as water-soluble calcium phosphate or ash from sesame or soybean stems, applied about a week ahead.
- 42:10 What is Master Cho's 60-day nutritional cycle for seedlings? — A fruit-vegetable schedule from soil prep to transplant with sprays roughly every five days, about twelve sprays total.
- 47:50 What does the nutritional cycle look like from planting to harvest? — An outdoor-season schedule, roughly April 15 to October 20, with about sixteen sprays spaced every seven to eleven days.
- 52:58 How does Drake's book translate Master Cho's types into formulas? — Into seven formulas built from nine core solutions: maintenance, soil, seed, leaf, bloom, fruit, and harvest.
- 58:53 Do you spray leaf formula first and fruit formula last, straight through? — No, you alternate leaf and fruit formulas back and forth through the season instead of leaf-then-fruit.
- 1:03:50 What is the chubby/skinny concept, and can you actually see it? — Yes, it shows in the plant: a chubby phase of leaf growth alternates with a skinny phase where the plant stretches out.
- 1:04:40 Is the KNF farmer directory or map still coming? — Yes, a committee is working on it and the foundation has secured some funding to get it out.
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In this episode
- 2:28 Intro and Welcome
- 3:52 I Ching Reading: Increase, Powerful Improvement
- 6:30 Zoom Link in Chat
- 7:35 OHN: Need All Five Extractions?
- 9:17 Master Cho's Nutrient Cycle
- 13:22 Fixing Zoom Connection
- 25:20 George Shows His KNF Lab
- 26:20 Back to Master Cho's Nutrient Cycle
- 29:04 Nutrition Cycle of Crop
- 37:57 Master Cho's Changeover Period
- 42:10 Nutritional Cycle for Seedlings
- 47:50 Nutritional Cycle for Planting to Harvest
- 52:58 Drake's Book: Nutrient Cycle Formulas
- 58:53 Drake's Book: Alternating Formulas
- 1:03:50 Chubby/Skinny Concept
- 1:04:40 Committee Working on the KNF Directory
- 1:05:34 Thank Yous; Long Live the Natural Farmer
Transcript
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3:00 a good morning for office hours for february 12th 2023 uh happy new year i'm not sure if that still applies in february but maybe for the chinese new year happy uh what is it rabbit But it's a lucky year for everyone, I think. Hey, George. Hey, I wanted to send you this link right here. Put that in the chat and click on that. Cool. So let's start off today with a little bit of higher wisdom.
3:50 And today is increase. powerful improvements are underway. The coming of the hexagram E signifies a period of increase when the power of heaven descends to surround and invigorate our lives. Like all phases, this too will come to an end, but if we make hay while the sun shines, tremendous progress can be made at this time. It is in the nature of human beings to relax and become careless when things begin to go well. The I Ching teaches us that we should not do this if we desire the fullest blessing of the beneficial hour.
4:39 Indeed, our rewards are multiplied if we increase our conscientiousness in auspicious times rather than decrease it. there are two ways which the I Ching especially advises us to do this our first task is to make sacrifices for others in all of your interactions now embody generosity in thought action and action forgive what is inferior in others and seek out the good by giving encouraging and assisting you will draw the superior person in everyone into devoted action. Your second task in this time of increase is to go on strengthening yourself as thunder and wind
5:31 strengthen each other. This means that if you see something good in another, you imitate it. And when you discover something inferior in yourself, you eliminate it. These simple practices, if continued conscientiously over time, will improve your character and fortunes immeasurably. Through service and self-improvement, you assure yourself of great progress in the days ahead. Well, that's always a good one to get. making hay while the sun shines or putting in a weir during a drought.
6:17 Although now the rains, Makahiki rains have returned. So anyway. So what's up everybody? Hey, Stonemason. Hey, everybody. If anybody, I did put a link in the chat. And that is, I was going to talk story with George today. kind of getting this together. Basically it's a zoom link. I think if you click on it, it should be in there. And then, um, I think we can talk to each other through this. I may have to configure a few other things, but, um, but anyway, that's what I wanted to get up to today. in the meantime
7:03 what's up everybody from all over I still do have let's see screen there still do have maybe I should flip myself around still do have the nutrient cycle So, Solar Gourmet is actually asking a question about the KNF medicine and asking if it's necessary to make five extractions. Yeah, so do you have to make five extractions of the OHN?
7:51 And the answer is no, you could stop earlier. But if you do all five and you store them, the longer you store them, the more potent they get. So your first time making the medicine, if you make five gallons worth and you just store them for many years to come, you will have something that's getting stronger over time. So it kind of makes sense to go through all five pour offs and keep them just stored and make more volume. Even if you think you have a small garden and you won't use that much. um you you'll i always find in my personal practice that i do use a whole bunch of it
8:24 and then um that's just how it goes so if you make all five pour-offs and go through it you may as well for the cost of your herbs i know the vodka's kind of pricey but by the time you're done making it all and you have all individually stored like a whole garlic being stored here ginger and then you can mix them later as you need into ohn itself um then having a um you know at least a two gallon five gallon bucket pour off uh two gallon buckets what you'll need for most cases but i have so much i use five gallon buckets for my pour-offs um i think when it's
9:02 all combined back together you do end up with about five gallons of complete mixed solution if you follow the recipe. So if you're not going to do all five, there's no need to, but otherwise you do. So nutritional cycle from Master Cho. Last week we went over plant juice. So nutritional cycle of natural farming, the nutritional cycle theory tries to raise the nutritional and physiological conditions required for each growth stage to the most proper state through diagnosis and correct study of growth.
9:50 And of course, here's your reference. So what is what is this saying? It's you're trying to match the right nutrients and at the right time for maximal growth. Oh, hey, Cheryl and Mark are almost birthday, let's say brothers, but I don't think that's right, birthday siblings born on the same day. Let's see if I can pull this over a little bit so I don't have to lean. okay that's better so um nutrient cycle yeah trying to raise the nutritional and physiological conditions so recognizing that you know at each stage of growth you're going to have these
10:37 different things happening and trying to match our nutrients to match that right that's basically what nutrient cycle is and these cycles it's called that because it repeats it's not just like it's one time through. Sometimes there's these loops and it repeats. That's why it's a nutritional cycle. It's coming around. It's looping loops within loops, all those fun things. Yeah, Master Chose Birthday is in two days. Yeah. Yeah, happy birthday to Cheryl. Flat RxSci. So, the gross grevel.
11:22 What is that? I don't even know. Hang on a sec. Oh, George is here. Okay. Look at this. Gross. And then we'll go say what's up to George here for a sec. So, gross grevel. Rhythm of nutrient type. Okay. How did this get translated? Gross grevel. What is it? What does it mean? I don't know. but Master Cho says type 1, then he says type 2, then he says type 2, then he says type 2. So all of these under type 1 are then type 2 solutions. They look different to me. So this is why I don't typically use Master Cho's vocabulary when he says type 1, type 2, type changeover, type 4.
12:18 yeah I don't even know if these are type 4 anyway he gives these types but here right here in the text they're all type 2 right type 1 and type 2 and it's gross grovel so how is this supposed to be translated properly um I just call these things you know this nutrient cycle but but basically type 1 nutrient growth. So rich in moisture and nitrate that it will refuse nutrient growth and reproductive growth. Lack in carbon and has low nutrient growth and no flower budding. So type 1, I think, is your soil prep solution.
13:05 right I don't know I gotta actually compare this to my chart to fully understand this whole chart but this is why nutrient cycle is one of the most confusing things here so anyway let's um let's shift gears here I'm gonna cut I'll come back to this gotta think about that a bit more how to translate that and let's admit um Georgian here and see he's joining. And then, hey, I don't know if you can hear me through the Zoom. I have to unmute myself there. I think maybe you can hear me now. And then, I don't know if I can hear you. Hang on one sec.
13:52 Let me get this configured here so that the Zoom is going here. and then George are you you're on hmm is this gonna work I want it to go out it's the mic coming in I think you can hear me through that the speaker. Oh, same as system.
14:39 I don't hear anything coming through to me. Oh, what? It's your birthday, Cheryl. What are you giving gifts? Thank you for the office hour. Having this happen. Okay. Hmm. I'm not hearing it coming through because it's at zero here. If I can boost that. It's not working there. Oh, no. Oh, man. Anyway, trying to fix this while we're live. Thanks, guys, for your patience here. A little bit. See if I can get this to go.
15:26 My output's there. My Zoom's there. You can hear... Hey, put your thumbs up if you can hear me through the Zoom. Okay, you can hear me. I just can't hear what you're sending back to me. So... yeah it should be sending it to my computer same as system it's just saying that this output is zero why is it muted weird maybe they don't let you do this on purpose
16:16 let me just see here, preferences. Oh no. Oh sorry everybody. Should have figured this out ahead of time on a test call maybe. But we're increasing, right? So let's think about that. Let's see here. I gotta go to my sound. Output here. input output maybe because it's all controlled up here oh well
17:05 I don't think we're going to have any audio coming through here because I don't hear George he's not muted if I mute him that's the unmute should make you the host well thanks let's see here we'll try and get this to go looks like his video is now frozen no no he's moving around a little bit
17:53 computer audio audio settings oh well it's not wanting to come up my deal here uh anyway we can't figure it out okay okay well um i guess next week do you have any um if you have any pictures you want to share or anything um well you you can like hold i mean we just we can't hear you at least i can't hear you i don't know if you guys can hear them i certainly can't if you can yeah um
18:46 a tricky computer hey what's up cecily um so i can't hear george right now but if you look at what's what's behind him he's in his natural farming lab like look at that you know like um that's pretty cool he was sharing pictures of us the other day and doing that so yeah you can't hear him as well i know yeah okay okay so it is not it is not working that way um you know i was trying to get skype together but um yeah look at so just look at what he's sharing here. Let's see, can I make this full screen?
19:36 So he's just sharing around all the stuff he kind of has set up here. I think those are his microgreens here. Wow, oh, and he had a time-lapse. Oh, and then he has his sprays mixed up. So he has his K&F sprays, his microgreens. Oh, man. And the cameras. Oh, it looks like a little webcam observing it. The girl lights and all the solutions underneath. Whoa. I'm sure he's explaining this, but it looks awesome. Oh, wow. Oh, so this must be an IMO collection. box type of thing wow
20:23 oh man i wish okay okay well that's a good preview for next week um we'll get the technical details ironed out and then um get this you know i'm really looking forward to uh yeah seeing and seeing this whole little setup and cheryl says nice tour yeah like that's cool okay well I guess we'll have to get this checked out. You know what's amazing is like here we are and it's around the world. Let me try, let me actually, let me try one more thing here and
21:08 hang on, hang on one sec. Let me go back to this sharing here and let me add in a mic here and see. Um, and what would be an audio input capture? Okay, and then let me set this up to zoom. did that not come in oh
21:54 okay wait this one looks like it's zoom is it no So, zoom audio device. Yeah, no, and then I don't hear you through there, right? No. Okay. So, let's see. no okay well anyway um thanks george uh we'll get the audio hooked up next weekend thanks
22:42 thanks for the preview i'm sorry sorry i couldn't get this together but that was really cool to see your place cool okay so um let's end the meeting for all yeah so um yeah that that looked cool right to see what he has going on and and all the um like he has that webcam filming the side by sides of these different things so i'm i'm looking forward to to seeing that and i'm not sure not sure why the why the audio didn't connect there of what exact thing it is but um well yeah like a full lab uh reminds me of um young songs um uh his setup where if you um
23:27 Here, let me see here. One sec. Keep this up. So here on the YouTube, actually go into one of these and search for... Let's see, it's under my channel. I wanted to show you... because his place reminds me of Young Song's thing, so... Where... Where would it be here? It was on one of my trips to Korea.
24:13 I think maybe... Fruit tree one. Oh, anyway, I should show that Jadam headquarters there. Anyway, um... Oh, so here he can explain a little bit of what he's got going here. Um... jenam grapes the lectures
25:01 lots of good um content here on my channel if you haven't checked it out i mean you you those of you that are regulars have seen this all the time but um let's see here no okay anyway i should transition back to this dare i try the um the nutrient cycle um recipe book here representation the gross grovel again um okay let's see what george is saying he's making some short videos on tiktok and instagram oh awesome awesome i have to subscribe um and shared some of this information with people that seem to be interested just showing it for tests hence the
25:44 trial with the microgreens um this time i have fresh lab and i'm trying on peas since the actual growth cycle is longer so more time for some progress okay okay cool cool um okay so let's let's let's skip this and come back to it here and then nutrient cycle so we know what it is obviously here's the reference i think that's in japanese maybe chinese old characters um and then here's uh here's these these type type one and then a bunch of type two so we could just go through them and see basically i think this is nitrogen uh nitrogen carbon moisture and carbon
26:30 nitrogen ratio so um so these are the nutrient types so he's basing it on nitrogen carbon which is kind of interesting similar to composting right uh your your cn ratio here's your your cn ratio right and moisture you know if you're adding a lot or a little bit you know what's what's going to happen should you um you know and in i guess you know in the very beginning he wants a lot of moisture right like much moisture then as the plant progresses you know type two it's average large side you know and it's little and it's little for these other type two you know for
27:10 the moisture. So, you know, rich in moisture, nitrate has enough carbon, active nutrient growth, but poor budding. Oh, yeah, well, okay. So maybe this is a symptom of what, you know, but they're all type two, right? Yeah, not fruitful. See, I don't even know if this is describing a characteristic what it is, or like, if you have this, you should apply this. or what the problems are. So, welcome to getting confused by Master Cho's slides. We could go to exactly where he's physically there explaining these slides and listen to him
27:53 talk about it. But when everything's called type two, it's hard to know exactly what he's talking about. And this one has froth, froth, no flower or fruits. So, so obviously something's changing here and he's diagnosing different things for different nutrient types as different things are changing, you know, like a lot of nitrogen, a lot of carbon and the ratios of those, right? Changing obviously goes from low to high here. So something is changing, you know, here you don't need that much carbon nitrogen maybe this is the beginning this is towards
28:34 your end you do need a lot of compost when things are ripening like you know or composting action a lot of carbon towards the end maybe that'll support your microbes better i don't know but these you know obviously some change in here so we'll respect that and see how we can make this fit in so that's nutrient cycle greville what was it gross greville okay so and then nutrient cycle of a nutritional cycle of crop okay so these are your basic three stages in your crop this one's a lot more familiar to me what makes a lot more sense to me this is
29:14 basically saying that over here is a seed over here is harvest right so you're going to go from you know, growing one way linearly in time, right? That's what nutritional cycle of crop, this is the linear progression across. It's not cyclical. This is like straight up one way. This happens to every, you know, like baby, middle-aged, and, you know, reproducing. And then here is old age, right? Just like in humans, you know, we go through this cycle of, you know pretty much three distinctive periods in our life children adults and elderly folks right so
29:57 stage beginning from the happenings of new organs so apparently this is even in reproduction you can think of this just like as a baby being reproduced or a seed sprouting you know new organs so So that's, you know, growing the new leaves, the things in the seeds, your organs as a baby, consuming stage. So this is, so the one I'm reading is nutritional growth period, the consumption growth or basic vegetative growth of the plant.
30:31 So the beginning, when you're growing kind of the structure, when you're putting out those first leaves that are coming out that are big before they stretch out, right? This is the beginning part. They're putting out these leaves, pushing out this energy. that's the and it consumes a lot of energy right your seed got to consume a lot of energy to push out those first cotyledons you know the the energy it takes a lot to put out new leaves before there can even conduct photosynthesis this is the you know consumptional growth period nutritional growth
31:01 this beginning one right consuming stage of carbohydrates c so he means carbohydrates by c not carbon but carbohydrates is what he means turning to organic nitrogen n by inorganic nitrogen small n so in this in this initial like pushing out stage it needs a lot of nitrogen right because a lot of cell division is happening in those leaves it needs to put out a whole big area of leaves growing a lot of nitrogen a lot of cell reproduction doesn't need that much p and not that much K and not that much calcium. So your other, your NPK, you know, in the beginning, it needs a
31:41 lot of nitrogenous growth, nitrogen, right? Kind of makes sense. That's why fish amino acid, the fuels used in the beginning, right? Nutritional growth period, this growing body, flesh, fish, you know, all the fuel growing, needs all consumptive growth, right? Need a lot of burn, a lot of energy fuel needs a lot in that system then you go over into this one which is the next major stage which is more when you're starting to reproduce or as you know as baby's starting to grow you get floral differentiation preserve preservation growth and this is the changeover
32:21 period going from consumptive to now switching to preservative preservative growth right it's not your plant's not trying to grow it's trying to actually preserve and put those into you know the preservation of itself its skeletal structure and floral differentiation changing where the energy instead of growing it's now going to put this into seeds right through flowers so we build a big flower set so this is the middle stage of growth the time between nutritional and reproductive growth is called the changeover period so it's between nutritional over here, the consumptive, and the
33:02 accumulative, putting the energy into the fruits. It's this changeover period, this swap. And in this stage, it only needs a little bit of nitrogen, unlike prior. And now it needs a lot of P. So, potassium, right? Yeah, K is phosphorus. average of phosphorus and calcium is just average so it needs a lot of potassium I think so it wouldn't make sense phosphorus, right? K is potassium
33:47 so funny, that's why I don't like the letters because they're both phosphorus okay, it's phosphorus, yeah, P is phos okay they should have just put F for phosphorus anyway so, you know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a bunch of phosphorus it makes sense, that's why calcium phosphate is used during that time why am I saying it? yeah, anyway yeah yeah okay okay okay it's potassium yeah it makes sense koh potassium hydroxide right yeah i should remember those you guys yeah you're funny like someone the other day was talking about my youtube
34:36 and i was identifying the wrong biology too man i'm just i'm just an amateur person trying to interpret this i haven't gone to college for this type of stuff then um i did you know i i actually natural farming unlocked my love of chemistry, actually. But using their acronyms, man. That's why I stay away from the acronyms, man. Potassium versus potassium and all this. So, okay. So, anyway, tons of phosphate, calcium phosphate during this period, right? And now you are changing over, and then you go into reproductive growth, period. Accumulative growth.
35:15 and it's the process arising from flowers to maturing nuts and fruits. So don't forget those maturing nuts in there. But this is, you know, after your fruit, it's like your changeover period is actually you're flowering and up until you get small, tiny fruits, right? As those fruits start to fill and they get seeds, then they start to get like fruit, fruit, that's then you're in your reproductive growth. The changeover period is flowering into small fruits, small nuts, before then the cumulative period is after that.
35:56 And at this point, it's not consuming carbohydrate by inorganic nitrogen, but stores the carbohydrates in nuts and fruits and other storage organs. so the plant is you know obviously going to switch instead of putting consuming the carbohydrates to grow it's going to take those carbohydrates instead put them into your seeds and nuts and the fruits itself right um so in this that's when it needs a bunch of calcium towards the end because it needs to convert all that stuff into there and the calcium helps transport all that from the plant where it's accumulated all this stuff and then move those
36:44 carbohydrates into your nuts and fruits and other storage organs is the calcium. It drives it over. So this is why KNF reproduction has calcium in it and that's why during your reproductive growth period you can include a little bit more reproduction and that calcium really helps that happen. But just calling it by the stage it is. Reproduction, reproductive growth, here it is. A little bit of nitrogen, always a little bit of fuel, right? Unlike the beginning of the lots, then a little bit of fuel. But average amounts of P and K, and then a lot of calcium there.
37:24 And that's how you'll get a great crop. So towards the end of fruit juice that has your kind of food that has average amounts of those more calcium a little bit of nitrogen tiny bit of fuel in there and you're going good on that so hopefully that one's making sense because that one's the most straightforward and then here's here's master cho's main thing he says the most important time to spray your crop is during the changeover period so on on this case when you're going again from here, the nutritional growth period to the reproductive growth period
38:00 here, this changeover period, this is the most important time to spray. And this is like the pregnancy. This is like that, um, what he will call the morning sickness, which also is a little bit of called, um, um, yellowing period is another name he called it. Like, and so it says plants have morning sickness when there's floral differentiation, right? These little buds starting to come out and they're saying, I need additional nutritional nutrition when I get pregnant, right? So this is like the plant's getting pregnant, it's putting out, it's going
38:37 through puberty and it needs additional nutrition. And it says additional nutrient P. So they want the phosphate on there, the phosphorus. Saying, I want that. And in here, traditional folklore is that sour things are good for morning sickness. So eating limes, lemons, fruits, sweet and sour pork, all these sour things are good for morning sickness. So those have lots of, You know, calcium phosphate, those have a lot of phosphorus in them. Unripe fruits are sour. And calcium phosphate is good for plants.
39:24 Morning sickness. And it says ash made from sesame stems or soybean stems is excellent. So there you go. If right there you don't have sesame stems, you use soybean stems. It says it's excellent. That's in the cartoon, so you can't lie with that. and it says when should they be applied a week before floral differentiation so a week is needed for absorption it says although the absorption happens very fast if you get that additional phosphorus in there a week before floral differentiation your floral differentiation
40:00 will be even better right they won't have the morning sickness of the stress of these parts of growth coming out of there. And then it says down here, my babies are growing well. So when you do this, it works, right? Yay, look at the happy plant. Yay. And then it says, this happens on a leaf crop such as spinach when there are two to three leaves. So as a lettuce, your differentiation, this is happening in the first, you know, two to three leaves of a leaf crop, such as spinach, right? Crops with standing core, such as cabbage or radish, standing, lying when standing again.
40:52 so I guess that means you know if there's like something in it and it's leaning down if it stands back up that's when this is happening I'm not exactly sure maybe someone with more experience with cabbage would know I've only grown a few cabbages in my life um so here it is right oh look at that floral differentiation oh my gosh what is that pears plums receive a copy of the slide deck maybe you have to just tune into the office hours they're all in here go by and screenshot them copy of a copy of a copy um but look at this flower differentiation
41:41 imagine that was your field of just blowing up so spraying just before this happens about a week before that happens man it's gonna do good my brassicas lay down when they go to seed huh because they kind of throw up those spikes and tip over maybe maybe it's at maybe you can interpret this when standing to lying when standing again so I don't know if it's gonna stand back up but um but okay and then here um going through his nutritional cycle here of raising seedlings of fruit vegetables this is a 60-day uh schedule here so he's putting this here
42:24 february 10th which is really wow it's only two days ago so this is pretty relevant for today i'm glad i'm going over this today maybe it's god's plan you know god was like hey why don't you wait for a nutritional cycle till today, which is only two days off from this schedule. How awesome is that? So, okay. So two days ago you did type four solution, which didn't ever happen here. So maybe what we can do is we can assume that back here on this, that this was type four. We can just change that to be type four because here we are and we're
43:03 looking at this type 4 right and the other one type 3 and then 3-2 and then a 2 so um but there was only i don't know what a 3-2 is this 3-2 is the changeover and 3 is the vegetative growth and type 2 is more of the um type 2 is the the change over growth if you're looking at this here type 2 is this um trans transitional growth and type 3 is leaf growth and type 4 is soil if you're looking at this anyway um just to translate some of that stuff because you'll you'll find that happen again okay so you're saying in the very beginning two days ago
43:52 subordinate growth endosperm seedling right so we did our seedling soak solution we did our soil solution out here then we sowed our seedlings in here then uh looks like what is that five days ten five days later five days later we did a type three then 10 days later we did a type three type two I don't know what solution that is exactly and then then we started to do the changeover and for one two three between there and the end of March we did three more sprays and then then for that ten days we do another spray in the
44:42 middle here and all the way up so how many one two three four five six seven eight nine ten twelve so in your whole 60 day cycle you spray 12 times on a 60 12 is 5, right? 5. Wait. So you're spraying every 5 days is what it comes down to, right? Every 5 days, this is a fruit or vegetable that's in a 60-day cycle. We're going to spray it every 5 days. That's what this is recommending to you, basically right here. say in between February and April 10th.
45:33 You're going to spray it every five days. And if you change your sprays up and you balance these into these and you notice this growth is happening, where this line comes through, where it gets, you know, it goes from that to this through that transition. Although here it says first changeover period pruning, building groundwork, great roots group. Oh, anyway, this dinner, here you go. Breakfast, lunch, dinner. He's comparing these three stages to a breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Which I guess you're supposed to eat a lot of eggs and bacon for breakfast,
46:20 and then lunch, I don't know, a bunch of unripe fruit. then for dinner you're supposed to have a balance of pretty much everything with a bunch of bones oh anyway so here you go I mean this is kind of like master chose secrets of this of just going through these difference of going you can you can kind of read this you know it's ready for transplanting and establishing through a cumulative carbohydrate right? So here, I guess you're even transplanting it. Um, so wild. Anyway, there's that. And then I guess I'm not explaining it super well, but here, here's, um, here's another one going,
47:10 Oh, what the heck? Okay. This is a continuation of the same thing. Maybe he transmitting. What the heck? Okay, anyway, this one, this one now is doing the same thing over again, believe it or not, from 4.15 to 10.20. So this is only five days later. This is the same continuation. It got to be. So it went through one of these whole things for this vegetable 60 day thing. Is that 60 days between there? Gotta be. That's two months. And then here, I guess, is the rest of it. So, I don't know. This is from 415 to 1020.
47:55 So this looks like the whole year for something that's much longer growing. I don't know why he's sowing it on the day after that other one, but maybe this is a different plant. Should listen to him talk about this. So, again, I guess he's starting with soil prep starting April 15th. Maybe this is when you can plant outside in Korea. And this is like his season for outdoor growing. Maybe the other one is indoor growing, greenhouse or something. But this looks like this is outdoors. And you start off with breakfast again. And you're securing the plant bodies, which means, you know,
48:36 like they say food security. means like, you know, nourishing, making that happen. Securing a flower bud in the middle period. So starting to make it flower here. Then he has menopause in here. So plants apparently have menopause. I wonder if that's the... I've heard him talk about that before. I've heard him talk about like menopause in periods, but definitely not my expertise as a dude. And then dinner here, maintaining the vitality before finished harvest. So looking at this, basically going through with this here,
49:21 it looks like he's doing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 sprays over a year, right? And also, is he spraying? Here he's spraying like right after, like one day he's putting this, the next day he's putting that. And he's waiting until 5, 5, 520. So he's in a month, he's sprayed one, two, three times, three times a month. So he's spraying every week or so, it looks like for these longer plantings every week, every 10 to 11 days.
50:11 Yeah. And again, changing up his sprays, going from type 3 in the beginning, some flower, you know, growth into type 2 and 2, 3, 2. You would think right here would be solid twos, but this is a longer, longer crop. And then three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three to finish. So he's finishing out with that, um, fruiting solution, but he's going back and forth through the changeover quite a, quite a amount, a bit, or is it, I guess it's a leaf. Two, three would be the changeover. Two would be the leaf or no three, three is, oh man, you think okay so it'd go leaf leaf changeover
50:56 it finishes oh man this is why the two threes and all this i just so confusing on how to do all this so trying to translate master cho's thing wild because this doesn't even make sense to me of what he's trying to do here. But I like this where he goes into the reproductive growth period and he says making bank for next year. Like making bank? Not only are you harvesting, selling your crops, you're also restoring your soil bank, your seed bank, everything that, you know, the investments of the farmer, you're making bank at the end of the year, right? And sowing rye,
51:40 very important but sowing your cover crop for winter and making bank as you're starting to harvest and um man explaining um nutrient cycle with his charts are just like it's wild i had to i made up my own kind of charts to explain this and these menopause oh there you go i'm amazing Well, I'm just trying to explain Master Joe's stuff in a way. Where are you going to see? There's these oscillations between plants going through menopause, second renewal of vitality, and then, you know. So anyhow, here, you know, this nutritional cycle,
52:30 and then we'll end it here. This is his thank you, right? Who knows? Maybe you came in more or less confused. I'm not exactly sure. But here he's going to go into water-soluble calcium phosphate next. So let me, in the meantime, pull up this book here and see. So the basic way I explain nutrient cycle here. and his solution. So to go for, go from that where it's like, okay, here's, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. My book is way easier. So, so going through these things of basically,
53:20 so instead of, you know, his, his thing, he had, um, type one, type two, type three, type four, um, solutions, um, and those numbers, right. We're, you know, and so I've taken that and I've, and I've put it into this where instead what we have is these prescriptions, which are like maintenance formula. So in, in, in master Joe also has like SES and SOS and all these other acronyms and things, but I just took it and made it. So you have a maintenance formula, you have a soil formula, a seed formula, a leaf formula, a bloom formula, a fruit formula,
54:03 and a harvest formula. So obviously in mine, there are more than just four or five that Master Cho was talking about. But from my distillation of listening to Master Cho, I'm pretty sure these are accurate to what he was trying to describe of the right nutrients, right time, right amount equals success, which is the nutrient cycle. right and these are the prescriptions that these are like off the shelf prescriptions that if you're trying to make maintenance you want to maintain your crops using this you want to maintain soil
54:44 use this seed leaf bloom fruit harvest all these things you want to do these things it kind of can tune you into like okay my plant is about to bloom what what solution should i use well probably the bloom formula here and my plant is putting on leaf like i it's early so i want it to vegetate well a leaf leaf formula is is one that you could use right oh my my plant is fruiting what should i use my my fruit formula okay but and and then oh i'm about ready to harvest. I want the best fruits ever. I want the sweetest, juiciest things. Oh,
55:29 harvest formula, just the last few weeks before harvest, right? And then going back to soil, seed. So this is the way I've outlined those same one, two, three, four, all those things that were just like hard to understand from my perspective of his language and translated it this way, just of these, you know, these are the seven formulas, right? Now, these seven formulas are formulated by combining the nine core solutions. So the nine core solutions here all come into these seven formulas here. So there's a maintenance, you know, here's the seven formulas. And, but what I,
56:12 um but this is just a um this is just like a prescription right i'm just gonna make like a prescription like saying like this is what you should do usually when you're making soil but if your soil conditions are different or whatever you may want to change this as you become an advanced practitioner but in the beginning just following this you'll you'll get really good and you'll understand why there's food cleanser medicine structure protectors and minerals in there. And, you know, maybe why isn't calcium put in and why isn't fuel put in? It's
56:43 like, there's various reasons for certain things. This is how Master True made an original prescription. But if you understand what you're doing with fuel and calcium, maybe there's reasons to add it or subtract it, right? In each of these recipes. So this is taking his nutrient cycle and just saying, okay, these are the general formulas that you would apply at each time. Like when I want leafs to go, which, which, you know, this is what I want to use here is this leaf formula. All these things in there help leaves grow. I want it to bloom. I'm going to use this. All these things in here
57:17 help blooms happen. I want it, I want it to fruit. I'm going to use this. This is the fruiting one coming across. This is my, you know, accumulative growth into the, into my fruits. This is what it wants. Right before harvest, this is what it wants is these things. And this is the way I've taken this, but the one thing to notice, or one thing to note is that this leaf and fruit are not always, you don't always just apply leaf in the very beginning and fruit at the very end. You actually kind of oscillate between the leaf and the fruit. And if I go back to Master Cho's presentation here,
57:54 I'll show you that he's actually oscillating back and forth. So three, either whether it's a leaf or a fruit, it doesn't matter. But these leaf fruits are going back and forth and these transition, this here, this 2-3, I think is his bloom formula. 3-2, 2-3 thing. And I'm pretty sure the leaf is the fruit. It's been so long, I even forget from this. It's hard to know. But basically, you're oscillating back and forth between leaf and fruit. And it's not just always leaf in the beginning and fruit towards the end. You oscillate back and forth. So when I get into the soil
58:38 foundation here, I put it on this page where, let's see here. so yeah so here is the thing of where I say seed or soil seed, leaf, fruit leaf, fruit, bloom, bloom leaf, fruit, leaf, fruit leaf, harvest formula soil formula So you're kind of alternating between all these. And again, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
59:26 There's 15 sprays on mine, whereas his had about 12 or 16 sprays per the growing cycle of something. But it's about that. it's about every 10 days or in a vegetable every five days going through and spraying these things. And you'll see it kind of goes through a chubby, skinny, chubby, skinny. And this is the way I describe it of growth tips, ripe fruits, ripe flowers, unripe fruits, and then ripe fruits of how you're changing foods as you go through. And that these just alternate between the sprays you're
1:00:06 adding here. So, and chubby skinny balance. So this is the way I describe nutrient cycle here. You know, you can look at Master Cho's slides, see those things, but basically, you know, you're kind of going chubby skinny a week before you're going to go into this puberty. You're going to spray the bloom, go into the blooming, and then harvest out, you know, like, and each crop gets specifically this way, like, you know, he shows someone's first and second menopause and all these things. You know, there's a lot to it of understanding nutrient cycle. But this is the way, this is,
1:00:46 this is my presentation of how I break down Master Cho's things and what I put on there. And, you know, Master Cho and Nine Core Solutions, you know, I really appreciate him and everything he's shared of doing this and happy birthday to him and Cheryl and, and Mark out there and everybody. Yeah. So, so anyway, I hope, I hope this was somewhat helpful for you for nutrient cycle of seeing just, you know, you kind of alternate the sprays. For me, it's been really nice since my class in January. I've been spraying every week, every Wednesday, Tuesday or Wednesday,
1:01:29 I've been spraying the farm. It takes me essentially a gallon of, or excuse me, a half gallon of maintenance formula here to spray on my crops. And then I'm also adding in seawater into it. So I'm adding minerals, adding protectors as well. But essentially I'm spraying that plus that out there and everything's blooming. It's flowering, you know, it's raining finally. It was it was so dry for how many weeks and now it's going. So, um, so just, yeah, encouraging you to, you know, understand this and alternate between these of what you're doing,
1:02:08 um, when you really understand what you're doing. And especially if you have like a monocrop or something, you can really tune this nutrient cycle into exactly where your plant's growth is, feed it foods from itself, really tune it in and, um, do that. So, you know, and this is the, to tie it back into the increase, you know, the more you're doing KNF, the more you're increasing, the more you're making all this happen. So I hope, I hope that was helpful for you today, you know, learning nutrient cycle, if you think, you know, cool. Yeah. Thanks. Um, you know,
1:02:43 seeing master chose things. Um, one, one more thing before I go today, I just wanted to share, one other bit here that let's see here I'll try and get it up for next week for the for for the chat and all that and hopefully we'll be able to get George on and if you want to chat let me know let me just search this I was looking for this nutrient cycle oh anyway
1:03:36 I was going to look for the nutrient cycle stuff from Master Cho but I don't have it here but I'll pull that up next time and kind of finish out our nutrient cycle. Is chubby skinny a concept or can you see it on the plants? It's actually, you can see it in the plants. So when the plant is putting out a cumulative growth, it's that chubby phase, right? I'm putting out these leaves. In the skinny phases, the plant will go from this chubby and the plant will stretch out and put those leaves out and it will stretch, right? And so if you start to watch your plant, you'll notice this chubby
1:04:12 skinny phase, right? And you'll see it like, like things will, things will kind of grow. They'll, they'll put, you know, that kind of leaf growth and then it will stretch out growth. And that's the chubby skinny phase that I'm talking about. Um, and the KNF map, um, coming soon. Yeah, we've been, uh, we're actually meeting, um, and, and working on it. So, um, the foundation, you know, hopefully we get that out shortly. I can't, can't make any promises, but um we have a committee working on it um and we just are actually got some funding so
1:04:48 working on getting that map out um so yeah because i'd love to link people up and if you're in the los angeles area uh reach out to lf um my um my aunt beth is on here uh she's in la she lives in right near like Santa Monica Boulevard near, near there. Anyway, she, she's in that neighborhood. Well, I know it's a long ass street, but near, I don't know, not too far from the beach, man. So cool. All right. Well, yeah, anyway, I was going to show you the nutrient cycle, But last thing is to just thank your KNF Foundation sponsoring these things, doing all their good stuff.
1:05:39 Master Cho here. Couldn't do this without him. And I want to thank you guys all for tuning in. Have a great week. See you next week. And as always, you know, long live the natural farmer. Aloha. And I'll switch to this other screen. I'll see you later.