Brown Sugar vs White Sugar, Millet for IMO3, Herbal Pest Spray
Drake breaks down why brown sugar beats white sugar for KNF solutions: raw sugar (muscovado) keeps its molasses and minerals, white sugar strips them out, and if you can't find brown sugar you can blend white sugar with molasses yourself.
On IMO3, cracked millet works fine as a carbohydrate source even without chickens, and Cecily's plan to run 40 kilos of mill run a week toward a one-acre target is solid since the goal is roughly 1,200 to 1,300 pounds of IMO per acre. Used coffee grounds shouldn't go straight into an IMO pile, but about 10 percent blended into fermented mixed compost works well.
For sandy, ant-ridden soil, Drake walks through the soil foundation recipe (food, cleanser, medicine, structure, protectors, minerals), applied at 1,200 to 1,300 pounds per acre and drenched every seven days for two to four weeks, plus mulch and cover crops to build organic matter.
He also previews his low-cost herbal pest solution: boil a bitter plant that bugs won't eat down to half the water, bottle it hot in small sealed containers so it sterilizes itself, and dilute between 1:100 and 1:1000 with soap before spraying. Earlier he covers market garden basics, recommending IMO between bed turnovers and pointing to Stephen Cornett's Nature's Always Right channel for row-crop examples.
Questions answered
- 19:49 Any tips for using KNF in a market garden? — Spread IMO between bed turnovers and drench it in when you harrow beds to recondition them for the next planting.
- 31:35 Do you apply KNF solutions at every growth stage in market gardening? — Spray weekly and alternate through the nutrient cycle, following the book's nine vital solutions and seven prescriptions.
- 38:39 Does the sugar for making KNF solutions have to be brown sugar? — Brown sugar is best because it keeps the molasses minerals; white sugar works but leaves microbes short on nutrients, so blend white sugar with molasses if brown isn't available.
- 47:36 I have 50 pounds of raw millet and no chickens. Will it work as a carb for IMO3? — Yes, as long as it's cracked grain, millet works fine and the microbes will digest it uncooked.
- 51:38 Starting IMO3 with only 40 kilos of mill run a week for one acre, is that enough? — Yes, make batches of 40 kilos at a time and build up, since the target is roughly 1,300 pounds of IMO per acre.
- 53:14 Would used coffee grounds work well in an IMO pile? — Not alone in the IMO foundation pile, but blend about 10 percent coffee grounds into fermented mixed compost with the right carbon-nitrogen ratio.
- 54:09 Any tips for building soil foundation on really sandy, poor soil full of ants? — Apply the soil foundation recipe at 1,200 to 1,300 pounds per acre, drench every seven days for two to four weeks, and add mulch and cover crops.
- 56:55 What is Drake's simple herbal pest solution recipe? — Boil a bitter plant that no bugs eat down to half the water, bottle it hot in small sealed bottles, and it keeps about a week.
- 1:00:24 How much should the herbal pest spray be diluted? — Dilute between roughly 1:100 and 1:1000 depending on the pest, mix with soap, and spray directly on plants or pests.
KNF Office Hours is a free live Q&A every Sunday at 9 AM HST. Bring your question to pureknf.org/learn/questions or join live.
In this episode
- 0:00 Intro and I Ching: Difficulty at the Beginning
- 1:45 Hexagram lesson: patience and the green revolution
- 5:08 Member shoutouts and foundation updates
- 7:27 Hilo earthquake story
- 9:02 Homestead stories: hunting and pig dogs
- 10:37 Building an autonomous mower simulator
- 16:44 Vision for KNF robots: drones, mowers, sprayers
- 17:29 Pure KNF membership and precision GPS network
- 19:49 Market gardening with KNF: IMO between bed turnovers
- 20:38 Korean demo farm videos: strawberries, perilla, cucumbers
- 26:50 Stephen Cornett and Nature's Always Right
- 31:35 Nutrient cycle and spray schedule from the book
- 38:39 Brown sugar vs white sugar for KNF solutions
- 47:36 Millet as an IMO3 carbohydrate source
- 51:38 IMO3 batch sizes and application rates
- 53:14 Coffee grounds in fermented mixed compost
- 54:09 Soil foundation for sandy soil
- 56:55 Herbal pest solution recipe preview
- 1:03:25 Sign-off and closing
Transcript
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1:00 hey aloha welcome to office hours korean natural farming i'm drake and uh you know i have an hour of checking in answering questions on korean natural farming brought to you by Pure K&F Foundation, doing our thing. Got some good members in the house. What's up, goofman? Yo, good to see you, man. Thanks for joining in and being part of the supporting membership. And what's up, Marcus?
1:45 But before we get into the goods, hopefully you guys got some good questions today. Otherwise, I got some things to talk about. I don't know where the jab book went. Somewhere around here. But let's get some higher wisdom before we get into all this. So today is difficulty at the beginning, which, you know, you might say that happens here. It's a little late here, but for a good reason. So difficulty at the beginning. If we persevere, a great success is at hand. The literal translation of Chun is a blade of grass pushing against an obstacle as it sprouts out of the earth.
2:32 Receiving this hexagram is a sign that beyond the difficulties and pressures that surround you, a success lies in the waiting. In order to bring it fully into the light, you must be patient and persevere in non-action. No matter how fervently one desires to resolve a situation, to intervene impatiently now will only hinder the progress of good fortune. Accept and bear with the discomfort of chaos without attempting to push it away. Allowing it to clear of its own accord in its own time is the only way of ensuring a subsequent blossoming of success.
3:26 Hold to proper principles. In your actions, seek to respect the counsel of the sage. Allow those whose hearts are true to assist you wherever possible. Be tolerant of all others. In this way, the blessing that now lies hidden will come into the open. So definitely, you know, that's, uh, you know, I always think of folks with this, uh, this reading here of how, you know, what, what we did with the green revolution, uh, the chemical fertilizer, um, thing was we got impatient, right? We wanted food now. We want it to be green right now. We
4:15 didn't want to wait. And, um, you know, the disaster that of, of undermining our soil foundation, undermining the true fertility of the earth. Um, Oh man, we're starting to pay for it now, right? The food, you know, doesn't have the same nutrition. The ecosystem's dying. The animals are dying. All those things because we just couldn't be patient. But it's amazing to me that chun, one word chun, is a blade of grass pushing against an obstacle as it sprouts out of the earth. What English words have that much meaning behind them? I don't know. But, uh, but happy new year.
4:57 it's year of the dragon woo yay um you know uh entering let's see a new phase here of uh renewal growth what is it oh it's a wood dragon is it i don't know what what element is it who knows um so yeah um what's up we got cecily in the house what's up um coming in from western australia member the pure knf foundation yes yes and we got our almost well our newest members the goofman to be honest actually but cheryl also joined in last week so we're doing good this year getting more members, getting more support behind Pure Canif Foundation, getting more things rolled
5:47 out for you. We have a community or our membership and certification committee meeting coming up this week and looking forward to building a timeline for launching more features, you know, and also going to work on new documentary this year. I talked a lot about it last episode. So if you want to go back to the archives, can of support, click on office hours, go check out last week's episode, um, or in the YouTube down below, um, and find out what we're up to this year. We just went over the annual report last time. And so good to see you. Got Cheryl. Yeah, Idaho.
6:33 Cheryl. What's up? Marcus, where are you coming in from, Marcus? We got Long Island, New York. Bro, you got to check out. Who else is up there? Joe. Joe Paduzzi, I think, is up there. We got Printer Bear coming in from Connecticut. Paul coming in from Ecuador. near the equator, Ecuador. That's a cool place. Talk about, you know, farming in the tropics and doing good for those soils. I was learning this week about how, you know, how the tropics, it's just so hard to build organic matter. Even though there's tons of plants, it just gets
7:17 consumed so fast that it's actually, believe it or not, it's harder to build soils in the tropics than the temperate climate is what I've been told, you know. And yeah, so despite all the microbes being put out, I'm still getting that going. And so, yeah, Marcus putting out seawater and getting all those things. The beach is 10 minutes away. Nidda Beachman. Yeah. Upstate New York. Wood dragon. Okay, so it's the wood dragon. We got Rainbow Possum coming in from rainy Seattle. I'm coming in from rainy Hilo. And this week, holy crap, had a huge earthquake.
8:03 It knocked a whole bunch of crap over. We were out working in the yard as a family, making it nice. And all of a sudden, the earth was just like shaking like crazy. And I thought it was a zero earthquake, though. my mom was like how big do you think that was and I was like zero um I wasn't very at the time I wasn't thinking it was very big but it turned out that it was pretty big and it knocked a whole bunch of crap over all kinds of stuff luckily number one thing during the earthquake is is my knf medicine okay and um turns out yeah it was but um yeah so good to see you guys yeah it was
8:44 a big one it even made the news made the wire I don't know if anyone tunes into s2 on YouTube, but that's too underground, but the wire, made the wire, I was like, dang, made the wire. Popping a bunch of seeds, getting peas growing, good, it's turning out, you know, winter is almost over, right? Getting into February, it's almost Valentine's Day, and the superb owls today. I don't know who's stoked for that, but I'm not that into it, but But before I get into the other things of what I wanted to get into, I was going to bring over the Jadam kit today.
9:26 Young Song Cho, when he visited, he gave me this kit of stuff to do things. But I was unable to. I actually got someone staying here from California. they bought land just over the hill here and they're staying here to check out their their land and check in and a good friend of mine Chris I haven't seen him for a while so I was talking story with him this morning I was actually walking over to the office and then there's a beautiful rainbow just up the hill because it's raining and I ended up talking story with him
10:07 about hunting a little bit and, uh, you know, was out hunting the other day. I shot a nice sow this week. Um, and actually ended up knifing a pig too. My dogs ended up count, uh, getting a pig inside my fence and I knifed it, um, with my pocket knife. Uh, cause you got to defend the homestead farming. Uh, uh, old, old timer told me farming is war and it's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. So, you know, got to be prepared for that. So on the home front, you know, keeping it safe, keeping it legit, but I did want to show you this.
10:50 So my mowing simulator, I finished this little thing. So I put a Raspberry Pi Pico in there. I don't know if you can see the Pi Pico. It's sitting right there. Under that is a motor controller and then there's two potentiometers right here i don't know if you can see that the potentiometers and then there's two dc motors in the back hooked to these big wheels and the number one rule of anything is never demonstrate anything but i'm going to do it anyway i'm going to put the battery in and uh i hooked it all to run off a nine volt battery
11:29 oh gotta flip the battery over so the positive side goes into the positive side oh and it lights up oh and it starts flashing so this is designed to be a chassis and pedro guessed it last week but basically when you move the sticks forward the wheels go moving back they go back so um so this is the platform for my um my mower i'm building a little simulator so that instead of hooking this straight up to a um um you know just like a i'm gonna i'm gonna build this first uh well i built this already so i'm gonna put a piece of wood over the top
12:17 and then hook it up so I can put the GPS and the battery in the ArduPilot flight controller, which it's ArduRover actually, on this. And so this last week I was able to solder all this together and get it nice so that it would fit down below and the light flashes when it's on. And then this thing here, you know, it's kind of cool. It's working with the potentiometer. So if you go further forward and then further back, you know. anyway so working to build a um a little simulator for my mower automation project because
13:00 if i can automate mowing then that frees somebody else up from mowing to now making knf solutions spraying knf solutions and or i can probably put a sprayer on the autonomous mower and as it's going driving around, it can spray for you. So instead of just having the drone where it's flying from the air, which is cool and it's good, but, um, but you know, it has its own specialized application of where it goes. I think, I think it is the next level future. If we continue in this paradigm, I'm not saying like this paradigm is great and we should all do that. But if you can hook, um,
13:38 you know, autonomous robots to go around and do these things. Not, you know, I'm always, I'm conflicted by this because I always think the answer is actually getting more people involved in agriculture and to lighten the load by adding more people. But in the current paradigm we have of where we're at, vast majority of people aren't out farming and labor costs are rising. and we do have access to like machines and little micro controllers today as crazy as it might be like a micro controller like this is like 50 bucks and um and then the
14:21 servo like this this is this is a 100 gram servo so so this is actually what's going to drive the mower is these, um, 110 kilo, 110 kilo, 12 volt servos. So these things, when I hook them in, it'll, it'll be able to turn the mower arms themselves, but something like this is like 50 bucks, right? So I'm in then little GPS receiver over here with RTK, you know, real time kinematics is like 300 bucks. And so all that combined, you know, um, is like a, you know, a week's worth of salary or a week's worth of wages, I guess, cause it's not, you know,
15:07 usually not on salary, but wages. And now I have a mower that can mow pretty much autonomously. Plus you got to have the skills to build it right. And assemble it. And then you got to, you know, deal with when it crashes and lights things on fire and whatever. Because robots are always crazy. You got to watch out for them, especially when you hook spinning blades on them and set them free. You better put some safety things on those. I have a whole other $150 worth of safety equipment that I have yet to purchase. Like flashing lights and stop buttons all over it.
15:45 I'm going to put four stop buttons on it. and maybe a bar that you could push real easy to turn the thing off if it goes crazy. But, you know, like, I don't know. I'm conflicted because we get more people farming, you know, it would be easy, right? We can all be out there with watering cans and like appropriate technology to do this. But maybe this is appropriate technology in today's day and age. And if I can prototype out a, um, an autonomous mower, autonomous sprayer, um, already the drone sprayer autonomous, and we can get more KNF, we can bring the earth back to life.
16:22 I'm not sure it will offset the destruction of the earth to mine the metal, to make the things, to do the tech, but got to start somewhere. And, um, so I'm, I, I don't know. I love building robots too. So anyway, I hope we're right in the middle of where that is. So, yeah, drive-by sprayers, you put a sprayer in your car, you know, if we're already burning, um, the, um, hydrocarbon energy, we may as well be putting some of that hydrocarbon energy toward ecological restoration, you know, pushing up against blade blade of grass, pushing up.
16:59 It's like, we got to make some progress somewhere. And obviously there's some difficulty beginning, you know getting out spraying these things doing these things but making it easier um is what i'm trying to do so um so yeah um got all that going on and what else earthquake those things these things documentary coming out members joining um yeah so if you if you want to become a member not that not i'm just gonna i'm just gonna put in a plug because no one has a question here yet But if you want to become a member, you can go pureknf.org. Pureknf.org here.
17:45 Let's see. Make my mouse have the thing enabled. Pureknf.org. And then join the Pure KnF Foundation up here in the right membership. Join, log in, check out the micro documentaries. Who's watched any of the micro documentaries? Raise your hand or put a thumbs up or comment or something. Um, and, um, you know, we got our micro documentaries out there and then also can of support the office hours, these things come into you and then, you know, working on our automation, which this is what I'm doing with the mower is using our precision GPS that we offer
18:21 for the public here in Hawaii. If you're within 20 kilometers of the pure can of headquarters within the circle, you can have precision GPS as well and make your own autonomous mower. and we're probably going to put another one here in Pahala in Wood Valley and that will give precision GPS to this side of the island and then we'll probably put one more somewhere in Kona in this area Captain Cook area and then we'll have precision GPS in this area and we may need I don't I don't know if we'll end up working out in the north side here but we probably will end
18:57 up getting two more of these precision GPSs and we'll be able to cover 90% of the Big Island and then be able to have autonomous mowers, autonomous drones, helping us spread the KNF microbes and spread the mission of the Pure KNF Foundation and those things there. So there is a question here from Marcus, at least I said, or no, in Francisco. Francisco any tips for using KNF in market garden so um KNF in market garden is you know usually a high turnover type of thing and so spreading microbes between each um each time you're going
19:49 to you know recondition your beds like if you were to do um you know what do they call it of I want to say farrowing. It's not farrowing. It's harrowing, harrowing. You know, if you're going to harrow your beds or something to just like recondition your beds, um, definitely put down IMO between those rounds and then, um, right in your garden bed and just cover their entire garden bed. But the largely like if you look at, um, um, the, my channel here. Um, so if we, if you go, let's see here, I'm going to go, you just click down below, you know, my channel there,
20:34 you know, obviously like subscribe, whatever. But if you click on the channel, um, and then you'll see here, um, a lot of the market gardening type of stuff is what I see in Korea because a lot of the other folks I work with, um, end up doing polycultures and more food foresty type things because it's more applicable to the tropics. Um, and you know, I work with all kinds of people doing all kinds of things, but, um, but the market garden stuff, if you, if you're down here into this area and kind of got to scroll down a bit but um where it says can have demo farms in korea
21:13 korean natural farming examples and farm tours if you get down to this section here you can look and see like basically um like i don't know if there's anyone doing lettuce or anything like market garden but definitely like in this playlist for instance we'll just go here and mute this but you know you You click on that and you go and then you'll get a playlist here on the right side, right? I'm just assuming, you know, you know how to use YouTube, but some people don't. So you click on that playlist, then there's this playlist on the right side.
21:48 And like, for instance, in this one, you can see here's a strawberry farm. So, you know, here we are walking through the strawberry and you can actually hear from the farmer themselves on what they're doing for like more row croppy type of stuff and, and the techniques they're using. Um, and so, you know, I mean, I, I would tell you basically just, you know, follow, follow the standard natural farming to do, but, but this way you can hear from the farmers themselves on that. Um, you know, here's a, a, a sesame, um, farm where they're
22:25 growing. This is also called perilla in, in Korea. I'll just put, well, I guess I, uh, full screening. I mean, not full screen. I thought I was going to go into theater mode, theater mode. Um, you know, so, so you can see like this, this would be like pretty much equivalent to like, you know, bok choy market garden, um, lettuces type of thing. Although perilla is a bit longer grown and you can hear from master Cho himself and also the farmers talking about what they're doing, issues they're having, you know, going through here, you know, we're cruising through these
23:05 areas where it's pretty good examples of what to be done, what can be done, you know, and Dr. Park translating for, what is this, it's a 26-minute episode, so, you know, you can hear a half hour of what they're doing, you know, they got overhead sprinklers on this to, you know, run their KNF nutrients in. Um, they got lighting here. This here is the farmer himself talking about, you know, what he does, his sprinklers, these types of things. Um, you know, so there's, there's a fair amount of, of stuff there. And then let's go back from default. And then, um,
23:44 Um, let's see. Um, this one, you know, this trip, we ended up, uh, the Kung Cook University. We, this trip, we ended up more sightseeing. So, cause this trip, I was with a whole bunch of government officials. Like this was like our sister city trip. So this one, maybe not as much. but let's go back here to the playlist. I'll go, oh, why is it doing this small little player? So here that, you know, Korean demo farms, let's check out this 2016 one. This one might be, you know, here's a no smell, the Jadam trips.
24:32 Let's see. I guess this one, not as much either. Let me, let me go back to the 2008 one. Get away, small mini player. Let's see. I've been to Korea more than this. I don't know why that other playlist isn't here. So this one had a strawberry farm. This is the same strawberry farm that we went to, but this one is Master Cho sitting down teaching us about how to transplant things. So if you're interested in how to transplant things, super applicable to, um, to market gardening. Uh, you know, if you, unless you're going to,
25:12 if you direct seed or if you're transplanting, like this is how to transplant, he's telling you exactly the formula for transplant seed soak. And he got Ju Young talking about the strawberries, how to, how to make them grow really well. Oma on the back wishing, um, you know, the best for everybody talking about the strawberries and then pepper farm, you know, here, here we're in a huge pepper farm. This one's kind of hydroponics. Got these going, man, this is, we were young back then, 2008, man, that's like 20 years ago. Um, and then we got cucumber farm here. Um, you know, so this
25:55 one, this one, this gangster guy talking about the cucumbers that we actually go back to his cucumbers here. But again, you know, trellising, training, doing these things, we, you know, learn a whole bunch from all these. So if you go back and you check out these videos, you can literally hear, you know, while we're there, what they're talking about. This is before Steadicams. But yeah, so they're talking about it. And it's the gangster guy growing it, reformed gangster that decided to grow cucumbers instead of murdering people,
26:28 you know um and then what else persimmon apple orchard yeah so i think i've been to korea more than that i'm not sure why the other episodes other playlists didn't get in there maybe i should go look for them find out where they are what what happened to them um we got thomas in the house. What's up? Um, that's good to have so many folks that are good, good supporters and out here. And the other, the other person I would recommend if you're looking for market gardening is, um, is let's see, we'll go back to my channel here. And I believe down at the bottom here,
27:12 I linked to this guy featured channels here and I, nature is always right. So a checkout, nature's always right. Um, this is my friend, Stephen Cornett, and he's been doing market gardening. Although, you know, my, my gardens pay my bills three year anniversary tour. Like he's doing some, um, you know, market gardening. Um, but also now he's switched over to kind of like animal, uh, husbandry, um, and doing rotational grazing, high tensile fences. He's doing now some, um, nutrient like KNF chicken raised nutrient dense eggs, you know, he's,
27:54 he's switching over cause you know, eventually you'll find that animals are the key to everything. And, um, yeah, so Steven Cornett, he's also been doing some natural farming. So he, um, He came to my course when I taught in Santa Ana, California, part of the KNF Aloha Tour. He came out and learned from me. And then I think he's also done a couple things with Chris to learn. And so, you know, he's been doing, you know, like learn to market garden. And so I'd listen to him. He knows what's up. He's able to do this. I think he switched a lot over from that. And then now, you know, he's using, um,
28:42 KNF versus JADAM, which is funny because KNF and JADAM are the same thing as we've been covering in this, that JADAM is just an offshoot of Korean natural farming. And, um, so, um, yeah. And then he also interviewed me. I mean, you can see me here in that, in that video. So I'm, I made it into his videos. There, there, there's me. Um, and you know, he's doing the plant foods, gravity fertilizer. I think he's doing a lot of the jam parts of it. He's doing his chickens. Um, he did an urban farm, but now he lives in Tennessee. So he's, you know, he, but he used
29:20 to be in San Diego. So when he was in California, invited him up to the, um, the KNF conference. then he so I definitely check check him out um nature's always right great guy Stephen Cornett he actually also made it into the podcast um let me go check that out microbial secret so I got to interview Stephen Cornett um on my podcast so episodes where is it um Stephen Cornett oh, why is it so hard to find things? Oh, right here. Episode 26, market gardening, you know, nature's always right. So, um, so I interviewed Stephen Cornett, you know,
30:07 there's his market garden, there's his chickens, um, market gardening with Stephen Cornett, nature's always right. Um, and so if you're interested in listening to, to him, you can find out, um, much more, you know, about him. You can get the full episode by becoming a member of that, which I think I may change the way I do that. But, um, but if you're asking about the different stages of things, um, really, um, you know, you got to get the book, man, and get into the book because the book outlines it where, let's see, let's get that. Why, where's my mouse? Where'd it
30:47 go. How did I lose my mouse? Okay. Um, why can I not see it though? Where did my mouse go? My mouse is invisible. You ever had your mouse disappear? Oh my gosh. I don't know. Oh, oh, you know, I have the upper screen turned on my TV's on and it's trying to make me, that's where it went it went into the upper screen okay I have I hooked I hooked a tv on up there to to show for different things so um so if you don't have the book it's available knfsupport.com but um but here's the book looking at this a little
31:28 bit and you're asking do you apply it at every stage um so what what you end up getting in the book here is an overview of the solutions, getting into it, coming down. And here's an overview of like how to do natural farming. And then you get down to the nine vital solutions that we use, the nine core solutions, the vital solutions, then the seven prescriptions for understanding the different areas that they're kind of applied into. Um, and then here is your, um, the, the, how to formulate them, uh, which, you know, all these, like if I was going to do the bloom formula,
32:14 I'd put in all these things in one time and then getting down to, um, the nutrient cycle, which is, you know, the natural farming growth cycle. So if you're looking at this, it's kind of in market gardening, you're definitely going to be spraying on a weekly basis. Um, and it goes through every, you know, cause it's not just like, uh, vegetative, like leaf spray, bloom spray, fruit spray. It's actually, they, they alternate and alternation and all this, this is where it gets kind of complex and I can't just explain it in like one minute. You can
32:53 Actually, you're probably going to come to my class, which I don't have any listed right now, but we will have a few out there. But these come through for market gardening and getting all those things together. And, you know, if you're shortening these things for like lettuces or lengthening them for tomatoes, all these things correspond. But you'll, as you get into, you know, learning natural farming and going better, you'll find more. And also just, you know, go not only to, you know, go to my channel here, but another great intro is here's the nutrient cycle simplified right here.
33:38 I need to probably need to update that. Um, but then here's microbial theory on the solutions and how to super saturate, how to grow cannabis, how to, you know, why sugar versus molasses. I had to include that for the Filipino folks that were trying to shortcut and use just molasses thinking they were better. Um, there's also over 225 episodes of office hours you can find here and then, you know, how to make the solutions. Hopefully that'll get updated soon. And then I also highly recommend you take this course. This is a free KNF certification level one course.
34:17 And I highly recommend you take that and just watch it. It's 12 hours of courses, I think. And I just got a message from somebody in Italy that was taking this. And she was so stoked on just everything and how good it is. um and then there's also this one which is an introduction to korean natural farming and knf imo and um you know also learn from master cho directly there's 20 videos here and so yeah the best candy ever yeah we'll just say that um we'll just call it candy from now on i think that's
34:59 youtube approved um and there's field tours and all these things so i mean everyone that's tuned in all the time, knows all these things, and that's why they're so good to share resources in the chat. And I thank you for just, you know, doing that because now we can, um, you know, share, share with each other. Um, and yeah. And if you're interested in the KNF, uh, you know, the, the, um, specifically the KNF, um, what you call that, that word, I can't say here, but the flowers, you can go join the pure knf foundation check out the micro documentaries and check in with
35:39 brethren logan this one is knf ganja so if you are interested in that um you know becoming a memory watching this documentary um he's he's he's a legend he really is and he'll talk all about the solutions he's using to make it happen. Um, but we did a whole 15 minute documentary on Logan and, um, you know, he's, he's, he's the man, man, um, Reverend Logan. Um, so tons, tons, tons of resources, everyone that tunes in all the time is like, yeah, we know this already, but you know, um, you know, appreciate you guys. Um, and throw,
36:29 throw some questions and we can get some more things and whatever. So, um, so what I wanted to do, what I wanted to do, do, do, do, um, oh, there it is. I found it. oh yeah this year 2024 you're the dragon um which by the way young song his birth year is a dragon if you wonder why he's such a egomaniac he's a dragon he can't help it um yeah there's tons of free courses out there um i put out tons of information you know that's that's what I do. I'm trying to spread K-NF to the world. I'm trying to save the ocean. If you realize what
37:18 I'm really up to, I have a hidden agenda here. And it's just, well, it's for the microbes because it's my hidden agenda. But also it's because I care about the ocean. We all share the ocean. If you read my book, you will find out it's dedicated to the ocean and that's really what it's about. But yeah, so we got this dragon guy here, Jadam. He is young, Master Cho's son, um hun kyu cho san cho hun kyu this is cho young song and um so um and then this was also translated by another dragon uh rei yun um and so when you have double dragon book coming at you you know
38:02 it's going to be good and we're now in the wood dragon so it's a good time to pick this book up learn about it. Um, do that, but we got a few questions before we get into that. So I'll do like a YouTube hook coming up later. Um, next we're doing this, but first we'll get into these. Yeah. So the free courses are out there. Um, and, um, so bonds bonds. What's up? Bonds was just at the class. A thank you. Yeah. Cool. And Matt was at the course too. Apparently he's teaching a intro to KNF in Kau, February 24th. Sup, Bonds. How you doing?
38:44 So they're asking, is it important that sugar, the sugar used to make solutions is brown sugar? So there are a couple different considerations of why you would want to use that. And I was just here on my YouTube talking about this. And here, if you click on the channel down below, I mean, obviously after this episode's over, but, you know, like, subscribe, share, whatever, you know, find that thing. But if you check out this here where I talk about KNF sugar versus molasses, this doesn't talk about the, but let's go here.
39:28 So I label it sugar versus molasses, but here is the process that as I get into it, and you can actually watch this, but we'll go right here and pause this. So this is the sugar refining process. So sugarcane's harvested, harvested, sugarcane juice comes out. The bagasque is a waste product. The sugarcane juice, the water becomes a waste product, is refined out. you get the sugar muscovado coming out and then they'll extract out the molasses which will give you white sugar and then typically the molasses is blended back in to make brown sugar so here
40:07 are your three sugar types you got raw sugar like muscovado and sugar in the raw you guys can see that right it's a little bit small but hopefully you can see it sugar in the raw like the raw sugar the one that's like crystalline that you'll find it like, you know, little packets on the table. It's just a marketing thing. Um, maybe it is raw, but there's also other brands that are way better and you can find out there, but this is raw sugar. So, um, and yeah, so, so there are a bunch of different ones, but it's called Muscovado in the Philippines. Um, and then when the molasses is
40:47 extracted, then you get what they call white sugar or like table sugar. You know, that's like the common little packets of sugar. So what you lose between raw sugar and white sugar is you lose a lot of the molasses. Molasses is full of nutrients. So if you're drinking sugar cane juice and you are just eating raw sugar, you're still getting all these nutrients in there. and if you are eating white sugar the like the minerals and those types of things are taken out and you're basically just left with the sucrose in there and so what happens is usually the white
41:25 sugar causes a lot of health problems because in order for you to digest this sugar completely you need all these minerals that were taken out in the molasses process here and when you take out the like so if the minerals are extracted and in order to digest this you need the molasses back it's going to take those minerals out of your body so when you ask you know for making the knf solutions can you use white sugar yes you can because white sugar has the um the osmotic pressures you're looking for and it has the sucrose um um power up like energy you're looking
42:06 for, but what it's missing is the minerals. And so you will have, eventually your microbes will be more emaciated. They may have more like diabetes type symptoms. Like it's kind of a long stretch because I'm like taking, you know, anthropomorphizing myself into these microbes, but you're losing the, um, you know, the mineral content for it. So, um, so Muscovato yes, is even better if you can get it. If you can get this muscovado like raw sugar here is even better. This is the one, you know, as soon as it's dehydrated here and the waters come out, this is
42:46 the better one to use. Typically brown sugar is blended with the molasses back in. And so if you're having trouble finding brown sugar, it's also possible to get white sugar and then to get some molasses and to blend that back together and make your own brown sugar. You may have to dehydrate it again or you can get sometimes you can get dehydrated molasses and white sugar and you can blend those two back together and now you're getting a brown sugar. So if you're having trouble getting it you know usually white sugar is the most common and most available even though
43:22 more processes are done. It's just my opinion that there's a conspiracy to completely destroy the health of people. And white sugar is one of those things that by eating it, it sucks all these minerals out of your body. Everything that was in the molasses gets sucked out of your body and makes you, you know, weak and everything. That's why white sugar is so promoted. So this is what I talked about here in this. You can watch this whole episode, you know, I go through the whole process talking about how these different things happen. You know, I talk about the difference
43:57 between these two vehicles, you know, this one has tires, this one doesn't, you know, this one, but this one, you know, it has an added cost, but this one has, it's cheaper, you know, but would you buy this one just because it's cheaper? And that's what I was trying to get at with the Filipino people. Cause they were telling me that so much, like they couldn't afford the brown sugar. And I'm like, but you can afford tire, you know, rims on your tires. Like, why are you going to do that because it's a necessary part, right? And so I go through this whole thing where like the tire
44:29 equals the refined sugar. It gives the smoothness. The rim is the molasses. The tire with the rim gives the smoothness and the structure, right? So this is like comparing what raw sugar is. And I kind of use this, you know, analogy, this anthropomorphism here, you know, and I took the cheapest tire here. I took the better tire here, Goodyear, assuming Goodyear's are good and bold. are bad. You know, I just looked up what like what consumers thought the best sugar or the best tires were. And then the molasses is a rim here. And so I kind of go through this whole analogy
45:05 here. And here's another one talking about the qualities you need, right? Raw sugar is, you know, it's very dry. It has full of minerals. It's tolerated by a broad set of microbes. It's more expensive. White sugar basically is missing the minerals. Molasses is not dry enough, but it's cheap. The salt is not tolerated by a broad set of microbes, right? Because you can also use for, um, salt for, um, osmotic pressure and then brown sugar at the bottom meets all these things and is cheap, right? So it all depends on your price point on your thing, but this chart shows what
45:44 sugars are best here. So I guess I did a fair amount on this. And then I was talking about the, you know why is a dry material needed um and uh um you know the osmotic pressure the dry material also ties it up through super saturation results in a longer shelf life here's a picture of well just me but um there's this osmotic extraction being able to pull like you know versus cutting it versus pulling it out the crap stays in here i don't know if you can see that but crap is staying in versus in this, the crap plus the juice came out when you cut it.
46:24 But this one that stays in and there's a whole reason to this. Um, so, and then what does this one say? Mechanical extraction. What is this picture? Oh, there you go. Super saturation, how to tie these things up. They go to sleep, you know, like if I don't know. Anyway, this, this, if you're talking about different sugars, this is well worth watching because it goes over a lot of this. And again, there's Ray. Oh, hey, Ray. What's up, buddy? And yeah, price considerations, you know, if you thought this was interesting, let's see here.
47:07 Refined sugar, what it costs. Wait, where's the first slide? Did I go to that? No, anyway, yeah so you know which vehicle would you choose you know if you get the brown sugar anyway long story short is hopefully that was a darn good explanation but definitely watch this and you know it's it's worth it checking out but if you got it you got it and you you know that's what the office hours is for so we're explaining these things in depth um any tips for going to big areas hey um oh starting imo3 today oh wait hang on okay no the next question i'm gonna before i get to that question
47:58 we got i got 50 pounds of raw millet and no chickens think it would work as a carb for imo3 um i think so let me just look this up real quick millet um that's gonna look this up so we're talking about this millet you could also sell it um make some money if you have three pounds here you could sell it for 17 on amazon but make sure it's hold um hold you're gonna need it hold to make im03 if it is still in the hole you're gonna have problems um but let's just look up what, um, wiki, wiki, wiki propaganda has to say. Um, and, um, I would just make sure it's
48:44 cracked. Um, and, but I think this would do a good job. I've never used it straight up, but it looks like a grain, any type of grain, as long as it's cracked grain, it's going to work. um yeah so if you got 50 pounds of this if you're not going to sell it on amazon and make make money um you know and um you don't need to cook it the microbes will digest it uncooked um let's see what else domestication spreading research cultivation as a food source this is what we're looking at um major food source it features traditional cuisine
49:26 um millet flour yeah so i would say you know this is going to be a pretty darn good thing and and just the way it goes as long as as long as the holes cracked off it i think you're going to be fine to make it uh i think i think it would actually make a really good thing if it's eaten um in russia it's eaten with sweet with milk and sugar added you know um yeah um or frequently beans, sweet potato, and various types of squash. So the way humans want to eat it is the same way that microbes want to eat it. So, you know, you're going to add the sugar
50:04 sweetener in your can of solutions. You're going to add to make the IMO3. Um, but I think this would be a good thing. And it says sometimes they're also adding coconut meat, which again would be your fats and oils, but I think there's plenty of that in there. Um, and I would imagine it's going to be great. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. And you're, you know, if your microbes have celiac disease, they're going to be fine. Or if they have wheat allergies, you know, they'll be fine. So, um, so I would definitely, I would definitely use this as a substrate, cracked millet as a
50:47 substrate for that. Um, yeah. And, and a good cover crop as well. Just starting those seeds out there. I would do that. Um, I would definitely use that for IMO three millet if I had a whole bunch of it. Um, we did, we did wood chips and mac nut butter. Ooh, that was awesome. um bonds wanted to eat all the mac nut butter i was like um so uh so cecily starting im03 today but can only afford 40 kilos of mill run per week um all other solutions one acre availability i grew great flowers a couple years ago hoping
51:30 years at paddocks do well yeah um 40 kilos is a good batch to do especially at 80 years old turning that you're a champ cecily i would just do 40 kilos at a time and make make batches um because yeah and by the time you mix that into your foundation imo your imo4 you have equal amounts of dirt there you're going to add out you know roughly 80 kilos of spreadable material and the recommended thing I think is 300 kilos per quarter acre, something like that. Anyway, I'm not exactly sure on what the kilo thing is. It's 1,300 pounds per acre, 1,200, 1,300 pounds per acre.
52:18 So anyway, you'll get there. Start small, do it, or go the liquid route. Make good IMOs and then make it into a liquid. Yeah. Our raw sugar smells different. I'll be checking out the price difference. Put out a mineral mix in my land and eat growth. Sugar currently costs several times more my own food cost. You know, you would think sugar would be cheaper in Australia. There are growing sugar in Australia, right? You'd think it would be cheaper. Maybe you got to go to the right region of Australia to get it cheap. Um, and also, uh, Cecily and bonds should, uh, should hook up
53:06 with each other. Um, both Australians, I think from the Western Australia area. So, um, um, anyway, um, maybe cook the millet. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Cover crop. Good. Good for your health. Okay. Do you think grounds would work well for IMO pile or maybe mix with something else? used grounds um if you're talking about coffee grounds probably not no um no nope um it needs to be mixed with a whole bunch of other things it could add to substrate i would in fact use coffee grounds if i was making fermented mixed compost um so i would use it after i've made my
53:49 imo foundation imo and then blending 10 of that in with coffee grounds and other mix my um cn ratio properly to make a good compost and then add that in. Any good tips on soil foundation on a really sandy, poor soil? Lots of ants eating everything. Organic material, tons of it, but also as you start to get the microbes in the soil, the sand, they'll actually do fairly well. And cover crop cover crop and IMO foundation put that down water the the solutions in follow the soil um soil foundation recipe which is right here so following this you know if you're talking about
54:41 building soil foundation um right here building soil foundation this is how to do it um you know whether you got clay soil, you got sandy soil, um, you will get, yeah, coffee grounds for what IMO five, but I call it fermented mixed compost because, um, IMO five sounds like it's after IMO four and it is, but then there's a couple of things called IMO five. So specifically call it fermented mixed compost, but the coffee grounds in fermented mixed compost, but this, you know, uh, good soil, bad soil, this is all going to work. You're basically spreading the IMOs out ubiquitously across.
55:22 Three pounds per hundred square feet or 1,200 pounds per acre. So my 1,300 pounds. I got to look at the book. 1,300 pounds per acre. Dust it over the top on the surface and then put on your soil foundation. Drench repeated every seven days for two to four weeks. By the time you do that, you will find that the microbes are starting to grow. In addition, you can add mulch, some sort of organic material down, and you will really rebuild soil. Even if it's sandy, the microbes will start to go in and start to pull humics. They'll start to pull nutrients out of the air
55:57 and you will get over here to a forest in no time because you'll be putting the biology in and then the cover crops and those things will get in there and they will start to grow. And so the soil foundation is this one here, soil formula. So food, cleanser, medicine, structure, protectors, and minerals, all of these diluted in. and watered onto your IMOs after you put them on the soil and you will start to rebuild any soils. So it's kind of funny because, you know, I get specialized questions. And even when Master Cho
56:31 would get these specialized questions, he'd be like, yeah, it's just, just this basic stuff is really what you want to be after. So did we not make it to Majab? Did we not? We did. Well, so one thing we did, and I still haven't emailed this out to folks. I got to, because folks about the updated book, but I wanted to get to this in the new book. It's not even out yet. I mean, it's out, but it's not out, but this is how to make the herbal pest solution. You know, maybe we'll start with this next time. I really wanted to get into this, but the pest solutions
57:05 of how to kill pests and the pest solution. Maybe, maybe I'll just start next episode with this, because instead of talking about other stuff, we'll just get into this. I feel like sometimes I got to cover new information. Sometimes it's always, it's all natural farming. In truth, it's always about the basics. Like, so if you're tuned in a whole bunch, you're like, yeah, I know this. I know it really well because I'm always talking about the basics and it's really, you know, you, you do the soil foundation, you do these basics, you get the goods. Um, and,
57:37 but there are other, you know, the, the Majab stuff getting in there, uh, Madadge, Madadge. um you get the um you know learning about what's really there uh new new things like killing pests but i think next time i'll bring the kit over because i wanted to do that and it's so fun to to go through the kit and see these different things and go through how to make an herbal pest solution but i'll give you a little uh quick overview of what it is it's a terribly low-cost solution. And step one is to gather a plant that no bugs eat. So if you wanted to make a pest aside,
58:23 you just go look outside. What plants are no bugs eating? Gather a whole bunch of that. Fill a pot in your house. You can do this one in your house. Most things that you cook, you don't want to do in your house, but this one's fine. Fill a pot with that plant material and then cover it with water and then boil it until half the water remains. And that might take half hour to an hour, depends on how much you're going. And the water that remains will be this dark colored material that you're left over with. And then you take that and you filter that
58:56 through a thing and put it into small bottles while the liquid's still hot. And then you turn the bottles on their sides. And why small bottles? Why go through the process of pouring it in while it's still hot? Why turn it on its side? Because you are effectively sterilizing the bottle. If you have big bottles, like you make a huge bottle of it, once you open this stuff, you can't really reseal it because contamination will happen. It'll then, you know, it'll explode because it's like boiled down plant material. And it has a very short shelf life. Like you need to
59:32 use it within a week and you can't reseal it. So that's why you don't make one big bottle of this. You make many small bottles of this, little glass, you know, vials or whatever, you know, you got to figure out the size for your farm, but you can make these pesticides and you turn it to the side because then the lid gets, um, the hot liquid against it while it's still really hot. And it'll sterilize that as well. And that's why you turn it on the side. So it's not just like some weird mystical thing. It's actually, you know, you're doing this because of this way.
1:00:05 It sterilizes the bottle and keeps the liquid from rotting when exposed to air and then store it in a cool place. So there you go. Little spoiler alert, got into the recipe this today, but we'll be going over this more of the herbal pest solution. And then it says to use, find the minimum dilution necessary. It's typically around one to 500, might be one to thousand, might be one to 300, might be one to 200, might be one to a hundred. It depends on what you're trying to kill for pests as well as, um, killing. Yeah, mostly pests though. Um,
1:00:44 and you spray this bitter liquid from that plant that no bug ate all over the leaf with soap. So it really gets on there and we'll go through the formulation of how to do this, but combine it with soap and spray it out. Uh, and if, and if you foam it, it's even better and then it'll, you can spray it directly on the pests or on the plants and it'll make it bitter. So they won't want to eat it anymore. And, um, that's the way. And then I got this little, um, little caricature of young song show down here. I should have a vodka bottle.
1:01:15 On the other hand, he would be proud of that. And then spraying on this hand. So, um, yeah so that's the herbal pest solution we were able to cover it really quickly but we'll go over it in more detail because i want to show you what he has in this book as well as my little simple recipe here um and yeah so um yeah oh yeah and we did this we did this with um we did this when we're in uh santa cruz with with uh mark um and uh yeah it was awesome we made it out of um i don't know i don't remember the plant but i do have a photo of it but it was this classic
1:01:57 plant that was growing some sort of sagebrush type of thing no plants were eating or no bugs were eating it we made that um yeah mark mark got the fuel hopefully you're using it too it's good stuff to use um and eyewitness is down in sandy soil down in florida and he says microbes plus organic material is tried and true once the roots are in the ground mineralizing it helps keep the ball rolling it seems yep so just feeding your feeding your microbes keeping your soil alive and it will conquer sandy soil eventually because the you know that's the the
1:02:40 plant roots are exuding exudates, turning sunlight into carbon based, uh, soil and humix and fulvix and all these things in the ground. And, um, you know, it's a whole rabbit hole to go down and look up, but that's, that's how the earth fertilizes itself is it turns sunlight into sugars. And then the microbes turn that and, and pull things around and it's a magic. It's a magic. So we grow fantastic fungi in winter, but without a lot of cover crops to get the air into the sand. Yeah. So fungus is your friend to restore sandy soils. So anyway, I, um, I'm done with my
1:03:25 office hour. I'll be back next week. Um, you know, share, subscribe, whatever, or, um, or just ignore it, you know, just have it come up on your things and be like, oh it's going away um but next week uh hopefully get into more of the majab gave you a little bit there at the end always try to leave you with some recipe something but uh yeah much love thanks thanks it's uh happy new year happy year of the dragon pushing up that blade of grass pushing against the hard soil at sprout let's make this year a great year together thanks for tuning in
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