Bone Char, Seawater Minerals, Jadam Leaf Mold
After the I Ching reading, Drake answers a question on using LAB as a sauerkraut starter and works through Big Wes's bone char question: boil bones 4 to 8 hours to strip meat and fat (no vinegar needed), then char them fully black and snappable to convert the phosphate to pyrophosphate. Char too far and you just get potash.
He walks through seawater as a mineral source, diluted about 1:30, noting 83 of the known elements show up in seawater and comparing the mineral balance to blood plasma and amniotic fluid. A tangent covers Walter Russell's spiral periodic table as an alternative to the standard linear chart. On rock dust, Drake explains phyllite (a compressed-clay mineral supplement) and says in Hawaiʻi he substitutes basaltic or blue rock dust, sometimes stirring crushed rock or crystals into IMO brews.
Drake compares root systems and soil under living-cover vineyards and orchards against herbicided, bare-soil ones, using it to argue for Cho Young Sang's leaf mold method: scatter leaves and microbes in the field each autumn instead of building compost piles. He also critiques a photo of Cho Young Sang's IMO4 as overheated and improperly managed. A viewer question on humic acid from worm compost gets a quick answer (teabag the worm tea) plus a pointer to Elaine Ingham's Soil Food Web videos. Drake also mentions using LAB to clean his dogs' hunting wounds and MMS in their water.
Questions answered
- 7:02 Can I use LAB as a starter for sauerkraut, or do I need to adjust for salt? — Yes, it can work as a starter — the more salt-tolerant LAB strains survive and do the job.
- 29:17 How do you make bone char (Calphos) — bones stayed brown inside after 20 hours of boiling? — Don't boil with vinegar, just boil 4 to 8 hours to strip meat and fat, then char until black and snappable; brown means it hasn't converted to pyrophosphate yet.
- 30:48 What is pyrophosphate and why char the bones at all? — Charring converts bone phosphate into pyrophosphate, the dissolvable form you want; char it too far to white ash and you just get potash instead.
- 37:26 How do you make humic acid from worm compost? — Steep the worm tea like a teabag until it turns dark brown, and check Elaine Ingham's Soil Food Web videos for more on humic and fulvic acids.
- 41:51 Does LAB help with dog wounds from hunting? — Yes, LAB on the wound clears the infection right away; they also give the dogs MMS in their water.
- 46:36 Does Cho Young Sang really understand IMO4? — Drake says no — the IMO4 photo shown is overheated, burned inside with actinobacteria on the outside, because temperature and turning weren't controlled.
- 48:41 Why does Cho Young Sang skip compost piles for a leaf mold method instead? — He scatters leaves and microbes directly in the field each autumn and lets it sit all winter, instead of hauling material to a pile and back.
- 57:21 How do you fix a plant mineral imbalance with seawater? — Dilute seawater about 1 to 30 and apply it — its mineral balance matches blood plasma and plant body fluid.
- 58:44 What is phyllite, and what do you use instead in Hawaiʻi? — Phyllite is a compressed-clay rock dust mineral supplement; in Hawaiʻi Drake substitutes basaltic or blue rock dust.
- 1:02:57 Why does Medaj farming make it harder to mess up your soil nutrients? — More carbon and microbial diversity buffer the soil, so it's harder to overdose or throw nutrients badly out of balance.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Welcome and I Ching: The Clinging Fire
- 4:40 Pure KNF Foundation membership & monthly meetings
- 7:02 LAB as sauerkraut starter
- 10:08 Growing the show and community
- 10:46 Back to Cho Young Sang's Medaj slides
- 11:37 Living-soil vineyard vs. chemical winery roots
- 17:21 Herbicided apple orchards vs. natural cover crops
- 29:17 Making bone char (Calphos) and pyrophosphate
- 37:26 Humic acid from worm compost
- 41:51 LAB for wound care on dogs
- 46:36 Cho Young Sang's leaf mold method vs. IMO4
- 51:47 83 elements found in seawater
- 53:23 Walter Russell's spiral periodic table
- 56:37 Seawater minerals and amniotic fluid
- 58:44 Phyllite and rock dust for minerals
- 1:02:57 Why Medaj farming forgives mistakes
- 1:06:43 Sign-off
Transcript
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0:30 hey good morning welcome to office hours korean natural farming uh for august 4th 2024 make sure my collar's all unpopped you know um yeah welcome good to see the good uh good folks here. Team Assemble, you know. What is it, like, uh, the, uh, Planet Protector people, uh, Captain Planet, yeah. Assemble. Um, IMOs. Yeah, cool. Hey. What's up? We got Mark, Stone Mason, some good members in the house. Good folks gathering. Good times happening.
1:19 um let's see we'll start with a little bit of higher wisdom today start our august off correctly and uh see what we got here so the the clinging fire cling to the power of higher truth it is in the nature of being human that we are dependent in many ways dependent on water dependent on air and food for nourishment, dependent on shelter for warmth and protection, dependent on each other for family life and friendship. We are also spiritually dependent.
2:06 When challenges arise, we must have some place to turn for guidance and support. The image of Lee is that of fire clinging to the wood that it burns. Without the supply of fuel, there can be no fire. Likewise, a person without a source of spiritual sustenance cannot give off light in dark and challenging times. Difficult situations tempt us to doubt the power of humility, acceptance, and correct behavior. We long to abandon our inner balance and lash out. it is just at such moments that it's important to cling to what we know is good and true and correct.
3:00 Like fire that clings to a log it burns. By doing this, we obtain the aid of the higher power. You're advised to cling to proper principles now. quietly, willfully, joyfully cling to what is superior in yourself. Cling to the possibility of a positive outcome in a situation that faces you, no matter how unlikely it may seem. Cling to the good in others, even when it is obscured by inferior influences. and cling to the power of the deity to deliver truth where it is needed.
3:47 Trying times brings us the gift of showing where our devotion to proper principles ends. Deepen that devotion now and cling to truth and acceptance and independence and you will meet with success. Yeah, the fire continually showing up, doing the work, doing the KNF, keeping us all focused on Master Cho, his solutions. This year, going over Madag, their solutions. And brought to you by Pure KNF Foundation. um speaking of pure knf foundation um pure knf.org this episode is brought to you by
4:40 you know classic youtube man you can't you can't watch youtube without a sponsorship ad or someone interrupting or some hook it's obsessively how you um you know it's like an ad within an ad right but pure knf brings you this this content and more you can donate keep it going or you can become a member and go here and see um i think let's see monthly meetings we got a monthly meeting coming up here being announced here coming up and uh let's see monthly meeting monthly meeting. There we go. Monthly meeting. And, uh, we got Evan Sharp from whole plant
5:27 services, previously whole plant wellness. So you may know him from that, uh, on the Instagram or, uh, whole plant services, uh, in the beautiful Northern California region. and also check out past meetings. We had presentation by Suze Yarrow, Stephen Cornett. Look at that beautiful chicken. Way to go, Stephen. He's now touring the world around, bringing goods out there. Yarrow just got a home in Idaho, and Suze is getting healthier every day. So be a part of that if you want, and, you know, help this, help you, help us, help everybody be better. What's up, Christoph?
6:13 How are you? It's good to see good folks here, good things happening, clinging to the fire, doing the good work, keeping warm, doing the right things. So we got an hour here, you know. If you got any questions, let me know. Try and answer those. Otherwise, you know, we've been going through the medag. Madag, madag, madag. And, you know, keeping that, you know, learning the ultra-low-cost ways of doing natural farming. So, yeah. How many of you out there do the madag and make the disgustingly cheap microbes?
7:02 I know, I haven't done it for a while, actually. I've been just doing other things, making just more of the maintenance solution type of thing. But yeah, I haven't felt the need to make it lately. Well, maybe I should. Get some good garden plots, good things. Yeah. Yeah. How often do you make it if you do? You know, once a week, once a month, once only one time. I don't know. can I use it as a starter for my sauerkraut or do I need to adjust them for this oh can you use LABs as starter for sauerkraut or do you need to adjust them for the salt um well you could try and
7:48 use LAB for your sauerkraut um and the ones that are more salt tolerant will just be there I think I think it would work as a starter. I think it would. And Mark's been seeing lots of Jadam in his reels. So people out there are doing Jadam. It's taken off. It came all the way from Korea right to this very room I'm sitting in. Young Song stayed here for a week, or more than that, a month, and helped him get established in Hawaii in the Western world. It's amazing. you know um so it's cool yeah if it's out there on the reels it means somehow you know you always
8:30 wonder did i make a difference am i doing the right thing apparently you know just got to let things do themselves and uh you know do your small part do your small tiny part and contribution so oh hey yeah stonemason some uh super chats yay cool um cool yeah um you know to to go back to that lacto question, man. Lacto is such a broad family, and the whole way, the reason to do it, Master Cho's way, is to capture that broad family, and then when you expose it to salt and all those things, it'll narrow, you know, of that family that works that way will get narrowed down and
9:12 will work, so it's a good thing. The like button must be a glitch, you know, I don't know. I look at my YouTube, either either either censoring me or be you guys are tuned in something very unique because, you know, I look at the YouTube. It's like maybe maybe lives like this just aren't popular. I was talking. We're actually having a membership committee meeting for for the Pure Cana Foundation. We're talking about it. We're like, you know, it's interesting because this um, this show here that I do each week, which I'm here to do it for anybody of any skill level.
9:51 Um, but it seems to not necessarily grow to attract new people in, I mean, it does on occasion on occasion, but you don't like, if you're in the chat, you're seeing like, you know, if you show up, you're seeing the usuals and, and that's so cool that there's like folks that tune into this week after week, which is like, you know, it's awesome. You guys are cool, but, um, seeing it spread to like plenty new people and getting new questions out to new people. It's not as, it's not as effective at that. Although I do think it really brings us the clinging fire, the core people
10:24 into a good, um, you know, what do you call, I don't know, goodness. And, and, and some folks from here are joining Pure Canna Foundation and getting even more resources and getting more connected. And that's where I've been putting my energy is trying to, you know, connect the folks that are joining as members and, you know, make that happen, make that better. We've been putting a lot of time, energy, thoughts, resources that way. So anyway, well, you know, why not just go deep into the Medaj today? We got that. I was so stoked with last week, you know, talking about
11:04 the medag and what's going on. Um, so, uh, what are we on slide 62? The wise bird returns to its nest, but we are doing medag, medag, uh, by Cho Yong Sang. And, um, you know, why not? Why not? Uh, so we've been, you know, cruising through here. We went through all these slides talking about, you know, how to make things better. Look at these grapes. I, you know, this, this, to be honest, this grape farm here that I visited was one of the most inspiring things ever because just for a second, just juxtapose this here. Let me get my cursor set up so you can see where I'm
11:46 pointing. But juxtapose this picture versus, let's see here, a winery. And let's look here at images of wineries. Okay. And let's just look, uh, for instance, this one, like look how scrawny these plants are and look how much more energy plant wise they have to put into these, um, grapes. And there's one vine, one bush that's only this big versus this here where you have one vine that's putting out hundreds of clusters, thousands of grapes, right? And just the idea that, you know, like somehow viniculture, what is it? How do you say it? Viniculture or
12:37 whatever? Like this seems to be the predominant way, right? This destroyed, like no cover here, evaporation runoff producing thing has become like the standard de facto standard way you do wineries versus this where you have a living ground cover biochar a few vines putting out just hundreds of grapes yet this this here has become you know like when you think of like here here this is like a standard thing and look at this like their grapes are doing so bad that they actually have die off in between and they're trying to prune them to be like exactly like this
13:22 instead of just trellising them out and then having people come under and having them at head height where you can just walk under and pick them all they're trying to trellis them all off this run equipment mow the grass keep it you know and just pump fertilizer into this and this is like look every vineyard you look at. I haven't seen one vineyard that's not just looking like it's, you know, chemically pumped up trying to cling to life and, and you're going to drink that and put it in your body. And, you know, here's the grass being mowed and stuff that like, you know,
13:55 they trellis this direction, but you know, who like, this just seems so much more productive to me. I don't know. Maybe, maybe they're getting tons more production that way. Maybe it's, Maybe it's to make their grapes taste a certain way to keep their vintage vineyard going that way. I don't know. But just when I see this, I'm just like, wow, this seems like the way to do it. Living soil, no runoff, keeping things great, you know, bringing the soil to life. I don't know. It just seems like that is the way.
14:27 So I just juxtapose those because I just see that, you know, in orchards with grass underneath versus let's look at an apple orchard. here. Apple orchard. And let's see what, how, what is a, what is a normal apple orchard going to look like? Like here, like it's, it's mowed grass. They're keeping everything down. They're herbiciding right under where you're, where your, um, fruits being grown, right where the root zone is there. They're herbiciding probably. I mean, I don't know how else they're keeping the grass away from the,
15:01 under the tree. Here's one that looks okay, you know, some wild grass growing, but not really. You know, here, again, herbiciding under the apples, right? You can tell that's herbicided, right? They drive down the center. They keep the grass mowed. They're not even using any cover crop. The roots are all growing into each other. They're monoculturing all this. You know, here, this one here. Yeah, the grass is a little taller. At least these guys aren't using herbicide. Their trees look a little bit more mature. Um, you know, uh, here, here again,
15:39 herbiciding, I'm assuming they're herbiciding underneath. I mean, killing the grass, putting the roundup right into your, your produce there, you know, like just like maybe it's being shaded out. Maybe that's why the grass isn't growing there. I don't think so. I think they're herbiciding this, but this is like classic, you know, you look at us, they're just monoculturing, mowing this, why mow this, right? It's not going to get up into your trees. Why not plant something like this where you look and it's like, look how lush and holding moisture and bringing the life,
16:12 the ground of fertility, all these things. I mean, just this juxtaposition done between the, um, you know, natural farming versus like what we've, you know, where, you know, here again, again, just picture after picture of this mowed stuff. Why? Why are you mowing it so tight? Like what? Why? You know what? Like herbicide, guarantee herbicide, right? Guarantee. It's like, why are you doing that? What are you doing? Oh, apple. Yeah. Again, look at the bloom, just amazing production, but again, herbicide. And then they do have some dandelions at least,
16:50 but you know, they're mowing that so short and where's the fertility coming from? They're I guarantee they're pumping this full of chemicals from some place, you know, pumping it with Roundup. That's what you're putting in your body. You know, like this is, you know, picture after picture after picture is just like this versus you go more natural farming. You have the, you know, the trees. Look at that. Like, which one do you want to eat, right? The one that came from a living soil like this or the one that came from just Roundup? You know, look at these kiwis being trellised up above.
17:25 Anyway, that's just to share a little bit of going back in the review for G-Damn there. Yeah, what's up, creative soil making some things? Yeah. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, cool. Yeah, monthly meetings are cool. Yeah, stone mason, yeah, man, they are cool. And seeing your garden was just epic, you know. So it's, you know, I was thinking more, the monthly meetings, more time for each other to share with each other. You know, figuring that out. We're going to meet and talk about that and get all those things together. But how cool would that be, right? Because here's a community.
18:11 Here I'm doing stuff. But having the community do more community. Because we're a global organization. We can't get together in a localized area. So it's, you know, having those meetup kind of things, virtual meetups. Cool, cool deal. It clicks down. I'm surprised more people aren't here. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The climate change people aren't interested in actual solutions like these. Yeah, okay. So Marty Raspberry's making Madag for pesticides. Cool. Yeah. The soap, I mean, I make the soap. We make the soap all the time.
18:52 That's what I, you know, wash my dishes, clean my laundry, all those things with. Speaking of laundry, I got to do that today, man. Almost out of shirts. That's why I had to wear this nice collared shirt. I'm like out of my regular shirts. Got to wash the laundry. Okay, Big Wes had a question. Can't remember. That's okay. You can think of it. Okay. yeah okay um oh yeah christoph's getting his friends to drink it oh that's amazing cool cool yeah yeah yeah getting your friends into it drinking drinking
19:34 natural farming is believing um yeah so when you talk about this you know someone asked is this one vine um it's a couple vines like it's one vine here one vine here one vine there one vine over there. So in a green, in this, in this big area, he has one, two, three, four, five vines, you know, so versus those guys are planting like a vine every like three feet or something. This guy is planting a vine every 15 feet, 12, 15 feet. You know, it's, it's, it's, each one is spreading out like a 30 foot, uh, radius here. And just look at that though. I mean, they're just amazing amounts
20:18 of grapes coming off there. Um, so yeah. So anyway, so this, you know, this is what, you know, not to review too much, but this is the point of what young song Cho is trying to get across, right? Is, you know, healthy soil, uh, you get more productive. Why, why did it scroll there? oh if I scroll over here it scrolls those slides okay I get it so um you know looking at these here these uh these strawberries too look at that amazing little bar Babylon you know no cover crop here but production in a greenhouse production right so learning you know kind of changing the
21:00 paradigm to think you know what what is better you know more better better more um let's see, can I put this on the right side? No. Okay. Um, yeah. Okay. We'll just go with it. So, um, so we were at slide 62, but we went through all these things, you know, just copying nature, doing the way nature does. Um, basically I'm just going to show the pictures, right? Cause we talked a lot about this already, but you know, the pictures, when you see those types of grapes happening. It's this, like this soil here is what's happening. Oh no. Where'd that other,
21:45 did I close that? No. Okay. Yeah. This, this, uh, like this soil, this type of picture here, this type of thing here is what's happening. Oh, oh, you know what? That, that's where I'm going to go. Okay. Bottom right corner. If you're killing it, you're having this type of root action underneath, right? I don't even know why this has apples and no leaves. It seems, I'm not supposed to have leaves when it has apples. I don't know. Maybe it's in a different climate than I'm used to. I mean, we don't really even grow apples here. A few people do, but
22:18 when you treat the ground like this and you're round-upping, you're killing off all the biology and the roots are going to look like this versus that grape orchard, the grapes where they're doing it, you're getting ground that looks like this. Like, look at all those roots. Look at the mycelium tied into the root hairs. Look at the nice roots. Look at the moisture penetration. Look at this, you know, everything about this is better when you're putting the microbes down and your roots look like this versus if, you know, as above, so below, you treat, you know, we can go
22:50 back to those vineyard pictures where we're looking, you know, do you think the soil in this vineyard, despite it looking like nice and orderly, do you think in Chianti lovers, watch out, man, you're going to be drinking it from this, like, what are they doing? But do you think the soil here in this vineyard looks like this or like this? And my guess is it's looking like this, right? It's dead soil because it's just round up. It's just, it's just, you know, uh poison poison to all belief and the roots are struggling the plants are struggling that's why
23:32 they can't grow plants bigger than this is is that the the um you know like they grow they grow plants bigger than that and then they find oh the plants get all diseased and stuff that's why we keep them so small is because if we get if we let them get bigger there's going to be disease all over them well it's because your roots are looking like this like how is this going to support a big plant versus you get the roots like this and living soil and now you're going to have a huge robust vine that doesn't have powdery mildew that doesn't have all these things because the microbes
24:08 are intact moving the nutrients around keeping your plant healthy and i guarantee that's why they went to a system like this to keep them all small is because they had such disease and die off and and and just you know monoculture just roots that look terrible and they found that this was more efficient to keep it like this than to grow a big vine even though it's it's so much more resource uh based the plant can't move resources from one place to another to help itself out it's just right here and in this plant and they're all competing against each other versus you had
24:42 one plant reaching out in a polyculture of many and the root system's able to get more moisture more everything. You know, it's just a different paradigm of thinking. And I guarantee there's reasons they went this way, right? But you know, it's all about the design of your winery. Look at that nice skylight. Oh bro, we're, we're, we're doing it. It's like, bro, how about designing your soil better? Like take your energy and put it where it matters, you know? Anyway, I mean like, you know, here, here, like they spent, how much millions do they spend on this? And, and they just,
25:13 they don't know anything about the plants. I mean, not to say they don't know anything. I'm sure they're probably way overeducated in terms of growing wine, but it's like, if we dig in their soil, are we going to find this? Are we going to find that? You know, the same amount of money it cost you to build that building, you could have put, you know, a few cheap solutions in and made your soil this much better. Versus this, I guarantee you dig in this winery right here, this compacted soil, this no ground cover, this monoculture, overly crowded thing,
25:48 and you're going to find it looks exactly like this. And that's why they're fighting disease, and they probably spend thousands of dollars on fungicides and spraying and fertilizers. And they have this nice thing here to be like, oh yeah, look at our nice building. But I'm not necessarily trying to hate on these folks, but I'm just trying to be like, hello, hello. You know, look at this. Oh, this vineyard. Oh, how cool. How cool. It's like, bro, your soil's dead, bro. Your soil's dead. Oh, but you got a nice chateau. Yeah, but your soil's dead. I mean, anyway, I'm just, maybe their soil's
26:27 alive. Maybe I'm just biased from my pictures here. These guys' soil's definitely dead. Look at that. They probably poison under these things. These guys, yeah. Four-day self-guided wine tasting. Brought us to get a bottle of wine and wander through the countryside. Chianti, Italy. You know, like, man, where's the Italians at? I know some Italians are in here. Let's, you know, show them these great pictures. You know, they probably wouldn't be interested. They'd probably be like, yeah, as they get in their carriage and horse and they ride away to their dead soil.
27:02 Anyway, I should probably move on from hating on the wineries. And then people, you're drinking the toxic um product of those grapes toxic product i'm just you know like do you i mean what do you want to drink wine from something that's dead you know like you're then putting this concentrating it and putting in your body it's like bro um you know look at this dead underneath there l'adventure winery chateau you know but it's dead why why why why did we turn to that paradigm anyway i i should probably move on and not hate too much on this everyone's like man no now you
27:47 ruin my wine man i can't drink wine no more i just think of the dead soil is growing this guy's doing a little bit better this guy's doing a little bit better but but his plants really aren't doing that well because the soil isn't coming to life and he's monocropped it too hard and all these things but what is this a wedding yeah walk down that your your gown's gonna get covered in pesticides and fungicides oh my what are you doing um yeah yeah like well let's go get married in a in a fungicide spray toxic zone okay okay anyway i should move on from that because uh
28:30 I'm just going to make stories about it. Okay. So before we get back to the Medaj, we got some questions. Big Wes remembered what he was up to. Thanks, Big Wes. Good to see you, bud. So, beautiful vineyard. Was he doing any? Oh, Young Sung Cho. Was he doing any grapes? No. No, I don't think he farms grapes. He does veggies mostly. Whereas I do cows mostly. What do I like to eat? meat um and pigs and chickens and cheese and butter um i remember the question i made bone char boiled bones for nearly 20 hours dumping in water every four to five hours used vinegar looks
29:17 boiled clean so i baked the bones in a dutch oven all i can manage they look fully charred and there's very little brown inside the first time the bones were not boiled enough but they seem to be five to ten percent of something in the bone should it still dissolve um if you're boiling them you don't want to boil the bones with vinegar um just boil them and you're only boiling to get the meat off uh the meats and fats off so four hours boiling between four and eight hours boiling should be enough for sure to get the meat and fat off. And then you're taking the bones and you're
29:55 charring them. I'm not sure exactly what a Dutch oven is. I know it's like when you fart and then you pull the blankets over. That's all I know is a Dutch oven. I'm, you know, sorry. Um, but, um, yeah, the bone color. And so basically once you char them, they should be then snappable in your hands and they should be charred completely black through. Um, so, um, and so the, the, and if your bones are still a little brown, it's just what you're after is a thing called pyrophosphate. So why not look up pyrophosphate? And, uh, this is what we're after.
30:37 So you're after pyrophosphate because that's the whole point of burning the bones because people are like, oh, you won't get phosphate if you do this and that, but when you burn it, you get this pyrophosphate. And then this is what you get when you dissolve it. It releases from the bones, and you're after this pyrophosphate. And there's a pop linkage there. Phosphorus, oxygen, phosphorus linkage. Look at that oxygen holding that together. When you burn it, you get these, And then this is the dissolvable, awesome, great thing you're after.
31:19 And so, let's see, in biochemistry, inorganic pyrophosphate. This is the whole reason for the burning. You know, it's in the blood, plasma, urine, terpenes. There's terpenes in there, baby. so if you want yours to taste like burnt bones go for it um yeah i don't uh tooth interesting it's in your teeth i think um yeah this is the good stuff man this is the good stuff you're after this pyrophosphate so that's the whole point to boil the fat off just to keep it from getting nasty and then to char it to get the pyrophosphate and if it's still brown it means
32:04 it didn't turn to pyrophosphate. But if it didn't, if it, you know, this is the whole reason to burn it. That's the whole reason. And if you char it, excuse me, if you char it too much, then you're, you get potassium. You know, once you turn it to ash, you get, you're getting potassium, potassium, ash, right? It's right in the word potash. Yeah. Versus this pyrophosphate, the burnt, burnt, uh, you know, fired phosphate, uh, this is what you're after. So, so you don't want to turn it to ash. You don't want to burn it white. I mean, the outside can get superficially white,
32:44 but when you crack it open, it should have, you know, just superficial, the most superficial whiteness on there. Um, superficial white, like most white things. Um, you know, anyway. Um, so I put mine in a, oh yeah. So, so anyway, that's, um, the Calphos, you know, I mean, one of the best, I mean, unfortunately it's like, it's not the most intuitive here, but if you go to my channel, um, and let's see YouTube, why it always plays this video, why I don't know every time that URL. Um, but if we go to the channel here,
33:21 actually one of the best ways, um, you know, we watched, um, down in the, um, the, oh, you know what? Maybe I didn't even put it online. Oh no, I didn't put it online, but it's in the office hours. Um, cause we did watch that video that was there. Anyway, it's not even online. I don't know. I thought it was, it's not okay. Um, but yeah, there's like, like, well, my, my video, let's see, where's my video on um the solutions here yeah here i transition over so this video here on making the kalfos let's see did i already char the bones did i not charm live
34:04 no i didn't charm but here's me basically cracking the bones putting them in you don't even see me trying the bones how's that for a video man, tell you is there any more of those? no well, you know terrible, terrible, terrible terrible resource, that's okay you just gotta dive into that one it's like a rabbit hole, you just start finding things like pulling on strings, whoa, it's amazing okay, um um yeah yeah so stonemason gets his uh deer bones out of the woods
34:50 i recommend that you know um yeah anyway okay um okay yeah that video yeah but i don't show you how to burn the bones i guess i you know there's there's other oh man my videos you know anyway work in progress work in progress gotta get more super chats get me motivated you know um oh let's see okay so anyway we're gonna go back to my dadge here we'll get back so am i done hating on the roots no but the main point i'll just hate on the roots a bit more is like if your roots are looking like this and you're
35:30 expecting your plants to be healthy what are you doing what are you doing you know you need your roots to start looking like this and you need your soil to start looking like this before you can rely on anything above the ground to be healthy right and feeding your plant directly using the solutions that we have feeding the plant directly it's a good idea when your roots look like this but once your roots start to look like this then there's less and less you need to do because your soil becomes alive. Things are moving. Microbes are dissolving things. Roots are interacting with
36:08 each other. Microbes are interacting. They're loving themselves. They're tend to, you know, probably a thousand times more root mass than this. I mean, look at these. These roots are just skimpy trying to reach for things. It's like, would you pass me the salt? And it's like, sorry, I can't reach it. Versus this one. It's like, you got salt? Yeah, right here. The microbes just deliver all those minerals right to where they need to be. Right. And this one is just like, excuse me, microbes. And they're like, hello, no. You know, so if you're so, you know,
36:41 I don't know. I don't know how to explain it to other people to be like, look, you got problems. It's probably because your roots look like this. Most likely your soil looks like this. Your roots look like this. Your roots look like this. You're not going to have problems. It has many problems. You're still going to have, you know, political problems and all that, but financial problems, all those other things. But maybe not, maybe not, maybe not. The whole world became this way. We restored our gut microbiome. Maybe everyone would just wise up
37:14 and be like, ooh, enlightened. And we get along better with each other because we're healthier, eating better food, with better soil, taking care of the environment, getting richer year after year, not feeling as much poverty, you know. And just, you know, you want to have rich soil with roots reaching out, tied in the whole system, you know. And early get your roots to reach out, you know. Yeah, so that's that. So I have a question here on the making humic acid from worm compost. it's definitely a great thing to do you can just take the worm tea and just teabag it make that
38:01 just that dark brown liquid also if you're on my channel here oh you know i'm on the wrong screen if you're on the channel here you know click down below go to this and then you can look at here elaine ingham uh this common ground here and the beginning is like a lot of theory but This is a playlist over here. And on a certain day here, we went outside. And let's see. I'm going to make this. Oh, not mini player. How do I undo the mini player? We're going to have a million bacteria, maybe more, because they start growing in resources that we put together.
38:45 What if we've got enough of that high nitrogen material that every single bacterium, 600 million bacteria per gram of our... So, are we making the humic acid? No, this is us turning a compost pile. But she does talk about the humic acid, you know, so if... Where is it? A certain point. That's us making compost. doesn't doesn't she okay maybe it's not this episode but somewhere oh no don't make this big do that
39:32 somewhere in here it's well worth watching this because somewhere in here she talks about the humic acid I don't know it's a long thing I haven't watched that for a long many hours but somewhere in that in that Elaine Ingham thing she talks about the humic acid and all that and she talks about worms and all that is it you don't watch that watch that it's worth it you know watch it at two times speed whatever it's like 28 hours but um it's well worth it she she'll educate you on all the humic fulvic acids all those goodnesses about them and why they matter
40:06 and those things. Um, yeah. So, um, okay, let's get back. Let's get back to my dad's here going, going through getting into it. So, yeah. So I guarantee those, you know, this is more what that vineyard's looking like balled up things where they can't reach anywhere. They're not, the soil's dead, you know, just balled up and dying, you know, this type of action. It's like, Bro, care about the roots, right? The roots. It's all about the roots. Get good soil like this, right? Bring, you know, organic matter on top. Have party down below. Microbes just thriving. Good soil. Reaching out.
40:48 Interactions. Bring your soul to life. That's what matters, right? It's the fire that everything clings to, right? And all these things, how many pieces of life are in there? And how many pieces of life are in that roundup soil? Zero. well not zero but but negligible versus you know thousands of things working on your team all right so we've covered this we've covered this we've gone over it i'm just re-going over it why because i don't know but get good soil cover it make good soil cover it get good soil you know simple easy people i gotta round up it so i'm gonna steal my nutrients
41:23 it's like bro come on come on bro um your youtube channel are huge i don't know oh oh yeah the amount of stuff i offer on my youtube channel yeah it's huge man you can spend days there and learn all kinds of stuff and there's more stuff like how do i know what i know because i videoed what i got went to and there's more if i watch my own youtube i'd get smarter because there's more gems and hidden things there that even i don't have so we we went through this of like just you know, as simple as making dirt, making it into water and then putting your plants in there.
41:56 And then they come out looking like this, all those microbes going on your roots. This is the way bro. This is just so simple. I mean, you can't make that easier, right? You can't make that easier. Um, yeah, yeah. Use an LAB to clean out your wounds. My dogs go hunting and they come back with the wounds and we use LAB on it. gets rid of the infection right away. You know, we also use MMS in their water too. But anyway, we covered this, right? We went over this guy growing wheat and rye. We went over this
42:32 where it's like, this is what an orchard should look like. Look how lush that is. Look how moist it is. Look how, you know, they're not spending thousands on things. You know, like this is, this is what an orchard should look like, right? Don't leave soil bare, grow cover crops. you know you're paying for that land you may as well get the most out of it you know hairy vetch look at this lady i mean you can't beat that smile i mean i know we already talked about this but we're getting there we're getting back right we're coming down i mean look at this is what a
42:59 good orchard supposed to look like right i don't talk about it again today because i just juxtaposed the other one like let's take this one and let's go and check out oh it's still still playing uh oh why let's just go orchard let's just oh i didn't even spell it right orchard okay well it didn't matter it spelled for me but let's just go with images of orchards and let's look majority of orchards like are looking like this right right like this i just googled or duck duck goat orchard and this is what it's looking like they're trimming these things they're spraying here
43:37 right I mean this is like when you look at orchard this is you know here it is again that's that's okay they're having some leaf litter happen there this one actually I mean this first one's actually pretty good this this one actually looks like more Korean style but the first result this is what they think of orchard right mowed and then round up right and then that's what you're gonna eat bro why is it on apples still I just put an orchard maybe apples are the most orcharded thing. But again, look, people just, why are you mowing it? Like,
44:10 what do you get a flex on your neighbors? You got a brand new Toro mower and you got to like do this. I mean, what are they weed whack in between here? How the hell do you get that tight to the tree? Man, like what? Why? Right. Why? I mean, this, I just looked up orchard and look at all of them look like this. Like this is the stereotypical. Oh, here's the, oh man, the orange guys. These guys are the worst. Is that orange? Yes. Oranges, man. Look at that. Just dead, dead. And if you're, if that's you, don't, don't take offense. Just change. No, you know, here,
44:46 here's another one. Like, what is that? How to plant an orchard? No, that's not how to do it. HGTV. Like, no, no. Although I do like the trellising on the line. That's, that's kind of cool. Um, but the ground, man, your soil, like how to kill your soil. Just, yeah. Anyway, anyway, we'll get back to this one. Look at that. I mean, just, doesn't this look better? Doesn't this look more natural? Doesn't this look more healthy? I'm just saying, I mean, I'm not trying to like, you know, it's yeah. Run a tractor broiler chickens through the orchard
45:23 instead of mowing? Yes. Or do what Earl does and move rabbits through there. Like, yeah. Um, yeah. Chicken, like, you know, you sheep, whatever. I mean, you know, all those things. Um, cool. Yeah. You guys, you guys doing a tea bag, the worm stuff. Yeah. Let it grow knee high. Yeah. I just, I've been grazing everything lately. So again, yeah, just grow cover crops, grow sedan, grow these things, you know, grass growing from spring to autumn, right? And it dies out and it's good. So we're going to get back to where we're at, right? We were right here. And basically he's
46:02 also being like, Young Song Cho is like, get rid of compost. You don't need it, right? He's like, it's heavy backbreaking work. You got to do huge piles. I do highly recommend doing IMO4. He does not understand IMO4. I'll just give you straight up to Young Song Cho is he doesn't scientifically understand it all the way. I mean, maybe he does now, maybe he's learning, but at the time when I was hanging out with him, he didn't understand Master Cho's methods to make this IMO4. Plus, this IMO4 you're seeing here, let me zoom in, is terrible. This IMO4, do you see this,
46:36 this actinobacteria on the outside and then burned on the inside? This is an IMO4 pile that overheated. And of course, you're not going to get results from this because this pile overheated, right so you got to turn the thing and keep you know IMO for Master Cho's IMO process is very specific on what you're going to do you have to keep it at the right temperature right time right moisture all these things you know it's very it's complex right so I'm with him when he says it's too complex it is too complex but it's well worth it sometimes following the you know you want to
47:12 make a croissant, right? You got to follow the recipe the right way, right? Otherwise, you just have a soggy bread sandwich. You know, there's benefits to it. But, you know, when you get to the size of huge machinery, you're better off to make a really good pile about this size, and then make liquid IMO from it, right? And that's the thing is, you know, use liquid IMO. So, let's get down into this. Let's see. What's the next slide? So, basically, yeah, he's anti-compost, which I tend to be too. I'll basically compost in situ. And his method here, again, this is very,
47:57 very simple, right? And that's always what's good about the Jadam. It's very, very simple. It's hard to mess up. And he puts out the microbes in autumn, puts out all the leaves, everything, just scatters everything, lets it compost in situ, puts the microorganisms on there, and then uses a tiller to just run it over, which I don't know. I just, you can skip the tiller step, just, just shred this stuff before you put it out there. But that's what he does. And he let it, lets it sit all winter, comes back to amazing soil, right? So this is his method is like, why,
48:30 why bring the material from the field to a pile and then bring it back to the field just do it in the field and put microbes out there right and then look at this dude he has the perfect shitting in the woods posture here i wonder if he no his pants are up he's not pinching a loaf right now he's just celebrating how little work he does i think that's why he's so happy either he's ripping a killer fart. Oh, anyway. Yeah. But look at this. I mean, living soil down here, right? Like his persimmons. Awesome. This dude's making money. He's not spending a bunch of time and
49:08 energy out there. He's making money. Yeah. So, so this is the way to do it. Right. And then I guess here is some plastic, right? And then what is this? What is he? No, this is another. Okay. So here I was hating on the whole other vine wineries. And then here he is doing that same winery thing. I just don't think this is a good method. I just, I just don't, maybe it is, maybe you're getting more production. Maybe prove me wrong, bro. I don't know. It just looks like, you know, pound for pound. I don't know, but at least under these, he's not, you know, what the hell the plastic
49:44 Like it's hard with Young Song because he's he's very he's very unscrupulous in the way he does things. But, you know, I just think the other guy with the other thing is so much better. This just looks somewhat weak. But but again, trellising over the top, getting the vines to grow out. I don't know. Anyway, I hated on that whole thing. And then here he is demonstrating the bad thing I was just hating on. It's like, man, should have looked at the slides first and or just less hate, man, less hate, except all of us, right? Oh, maybe he's showing these as bad situations,
50:19 right? Do not leave the field bare. I mean, again, this bare field, do you think it's going to have that good soil? No way, no way. So, yeah, cool. Apricots, apricots. I like uppercuts oh a cherry oh my gosh oh all those things you're going apple pear peach plum oh lots of berries whoa whoa cool okay so so anyway don't leave the field bear maybe he was showing this as a bad example i don't know i don't know it's like but here you go make make soil like leaf mold in nearby mountains right so make diverse soil materials this is this is the topic
51:02 we're covering here. So let's get into it. Let's get into it. What is this? A little bit of chemistry, a little bit of chemistry. Hey, this is, this is my slide, bro. Actually, this may even be Master Cho's slide, but the sea salt, seawater, right? Every single element, 83 elements confirmed to be in seawater to date, right? 83 elements. How many elements are there? how many how many elements as if the internet has the right answer um how many elements are there let's see there's 118 okay i you know whether i i just sometimes i don't even believe in chemistry
51:47 but sometimes i do sometimes i don't it's not a very good thing to learn um but look at all these elements here. Look at all these. Man, look at that. So 83 of the 115 are in the seawater. That's pretty cool. I got to sneeze. Feels like I got to sneeze. Oh, yeah. It's like when you can feel it coming. It's like a minute before. Okay. So look at all these elements, right? They're all in here and there's millions and billions of them. I think, what is that? It's a nanograms per kilogram of water, of seawater. Um, so there's just, you know, there's
52:35 billions of all these things in here and just tons of it, which is great. Right. Um, so, you know, any element you need, you got it right. Put it, you know, you're lacking an element, put it on there. 115. Yeah. That's what it says. I don't really believe in that, but whatever. It's just good vibes, man. Chemistry. Oh, you know, speaking of why not sidetrack just for a small second. And if you're interested, uh, let me also pull up, um, um, this here and, um, just one sec here. let me pull this up. Is this going to make it big? Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, um, so here on this side
53:23 here, so, you know, usually they'll have you look at the periodic table like this, right? And you're going here, then here, what's up with this big gap, bro. Then here to here, then you have, what's up with this big gap, then here to here, what's up with this big gap. And you go to here to here, you know, now you're into this. Then you get to this spot and these fit into there. So your gap is getting even larger of what's going on, right? So they want you to think in this linear table for some reason and line these things up this way. To me, this is the most backwards, crooked,
53:55 junk thinking you could possibly have. Sorry, anyone who's like got a PhD in this. But Walter Russell over here, put it on a spiral, right? So look at this. It makes sense. The spiral is very tight in the inside, right? You got a couple elements, one, two, and then it starts to get bigger, right? And then as you're going out, then you're getting bigger and bigger and bigger and your spirals getting bigger and bigger and bigger. You got your carbon line, boron line, beryllium, lithium, all these different metals and the way these things go. Yeah. Woo. Super chats,
54:25 super chats. Thank you. But if you look at the periodic table in a spiral, all of a sudden these gaps make sense, right? You're in the top, in the inside of the spiral. It's very small. Then you're getting a larger spiral as you're going out. Then you're getting a larger spiral. Then you're getting an even bigger spiral because all this stuff fits in there. And they just like magically put it right there and like, oh yeah, it fits right here. It's like, bro, it's a spiral. What is wrong with you? Just model it this way. And then all of a sudden you start to understand
54:58 how things have periodicity, how, um, how they shift, how things go. It just makes understanding chemistry so much easier of these different lines coming out and how these different things correspond and how things work life. It's a spiral, bro. Um, and then you got your negative side over here, right? And your positive side over here, positive, negative, negative, positive, right? And they, and they just spin and it's like the male, the female, the yin, the yang, all this. So anyway, if you are doing chemistry and you're doing it this way, reorient your brain
55:34 to a spiral and all of a sudden you'll be like, oh, I get it. I get it. It's like, oh, how does the, how do these correspond? Oh, because they're at the same tempo when they hit these things. And you got your zero line right here with your noble gases, the noble elements here, right? and then you got your other ones coming out and it's just like oh it just makes sense right as you're passing this zero line you have the noble gases and it's like it makes like i don't know why they don't teach us in school but people that look the periodic table this way it's like because they
56:06 want you to like be confused why would you look at it this way why why why not this way anyway lots of that today i guess um but all the elements there on that spiral they're present Awesome. Good. Keeping it all in balance. Okay. So moving on. The mineral balance of seawater is the same as the amniotic fluid of the mother. So what you were birthed in, why you came out with such smooth skin out of the womb, is because you were bathed in seawater. It's the same as the blood plasma of the human body and body fluid of plants.
56:47 right? So if you are lacking minerals in some sort, your body fluid of your plants are going to be messed up. You're not going to have the great proper amniotic fluid. You're not going to nourish the new babies. Your plasma that's moving through your blood is not going to be the right stuff. So if you have a mineral imbalance, how do you fix it? Seawater, sea salt, right? Putting enough sea salt in your diet. I know all the Rastas are like out there like, I tell, man, I don't eat the salt. But if you do eat the salt here, you will then have mineral
57:21 balance, right? Your dreadlocks will get even longer. You'll have a, you know, you can be a dready Rasta. Maybe you wouldn't die from gangrene in your toe. Just saying, Bob Marley. You know, seawater, right? Seawater, the same as the amniotic fluid, right? So give crops minerals from seawater, right? Dilute it perfectly, dilute it properly. You don't want to be pouring straight seawater on there, but you dilute it one to 30, you put it on. Now you got all the minerals, which is going to help the body fluids of the plants and it's going to, everything's going to
57:55 work better, right? So this method has been verified. Nice source there. Great. Thanks for the source. He just says it's been verified. We've fact checked this. It's true. Yeah, sure. okay and then you know we're getting towards the end here but we'll get through some phylate right rock dust it's also used to supplement minerals right so phylate we looked it up before i think it was compressed clay or something i don't know i should look it up again i always forget what phylate is because we don't have it in hawaii but what we do have is basaltic rock dust and blue
58:32 rock dust and you can use mineral rock dust and you can use all kinds of rock rock dust and those are also used to supplement minerals but sometimes it's cheaper just to get sea salt rock dust is heavy heavy heavy heavy this stuff you know rock dust can weigh tons you know i get a ton of rock dust in the back of my truck and which which is like i actually usually try and get a half ton they usually end up dumping in three quarters ton and it's like man it's hardly any volume it doesn't even fill my truck bed and it's like that's a ton just and the springs just go sad
59:07 face springs. I'm just like, man, why'd you dump so much? But they do it out of this huge machine in the back of the truck. It's awesome. Rather than them dump it in, then me shovel it. Um, and then yeah, make phylight water. So you can make rock dust water, same way, put some, put some microbes in here. You know, when you're making your IMOTs and stuff, do you put, um, do you put rocks in there? Minerals? You know, I know we call for putting sea salt in, but if you put some rocks down at the bottom, you stir them in, you get some mineral rock minerals in there.
59:36 even better, right? When I'm running my, um, my BMW, my, my, uh, tea brewing machine, I have crystals in there bird out here. Thank you. Yes. She gave me a whole bunch of crystals and I put those in there and I made crystal water. So, you know, rock water, crystal water, uh, making rock teas, add those to your compost teas and see, you'll get even more energy here. um yeah sea energy agriculture right that's a that's an acres usa publication and they just use seawater right they don't use other things so um so we'll cover this last slide here today
1:00:17 and then we'll get into the principles of making jadam input so the last slide into this at 71 getting through this thing is other effects of leaf mold method on soil management so if you use the leaf mold method, what else benefits do you get? What are the effects? He says effects. I would say benefits. But you get increased diversity of microorganisms prevents a particular type of pathogen from gaining dominance. So if you have diversity, you avoid dominance. The more spread out they are, then the less chance for one to take over. When one takes over,
1:00:56 then you have a chance for that one to get corrupted and fall, fall to the Sith Lords. And then, you know, it gets corrupted. So instead you get diversity, multitude of different things, and it creates then stability. Wow. Think of that. Um, so in that way, you don't have one pathogen taken off because the definition, I mean, they, they define it different ways, but if you have basically one have dominance by definition, it becomes a pathogen. It starts destroying its environment. So dominance equals pathogenicity, right? You know, it's not 100%
1:01:33 true, but that's a pretty good principle. Diversity equals spread out. Homogenicity equals pathogenicity, right? I'm not even sure those are words, but the concept is there. And so the next thing is minerals become abundant with Jadam farming, solving any problems of mineral deficiency. I'm mumbling here, so sorry if you're just listening. But yeah, so you're going to add minerals. You're going to add the leaf mill back. You're going to add all these things back. You're going to have minerals that'll solve mineral deficiency, obviously,
1:02:10 right? And the whole premise of Medej farming is remineralization, bringing life, enabling the microbes to move minerals around, having enough carbon so they can buffer anything that's out of out of balance. That's what the whole principle is. And the last point is soil nutrient tolerance increases. Complicated skills are not needed anymore. Oh my gosh. So if you do this, you get more carbon there. It has more buffer. You are not going to add too much of this or too much of that and cause a huge problem. You don't even need to know what you're doing.
1:02:48 You just put leaf mold, plant a cover crop, put JMS, put minerals, dilute them properly, put them out there, and it becomes easier and easier, and you're not going to get things out of whack because your whole soil environment is becoming your farm management system. Not you. You're offloading that. You're just helping the soil microbes manage better. Your plants have symbiotic relationships instead of just trying to kill them and round up everything and kill your soil. and then naturally they balance the nutrients better than you ever could. You think, oh,
1:03:22 it needs more potassium. So you do something. It's like, no, it needs more microbes. It needs a more diverse system. It needs food. It needs medicine. It needs cleanser. It needs structure. Like those are basics that everything needs, right? You can amend those. But if you think to yourself, it needs this element, most likely that's not the level of thinking you should be at because it may be true. It may be true. There may be a calcium deficiency, but most likely there's a microbial deficiency. Most likely there's a food it's starving. Most likely it's not clean. Most
1:03:53 likely it needs medicine. If you get the basics met, it probably didn't need calcium. So to say, it probably needed these other solutions at different times of its growth cycle, but to think so much in just one element that it needs, because you know, the word of something it needs molybendium. It's like, well, what the hell is molybendium? It's just a vibration, man. If you go back to this chart here, it's just a vibration. It's just a vibration at the molybendium level that it's not vibing at that level.
1:04:21 So, but meet its food, meet its other things, and those vibes can come into balance, right? It can swing from this side to this side. It can go around the spiral. It can do what it needs to do, right? If you think of it this way and you're like, it needs CD. We're out of CD. It's like, man, really what you got to understand is it just means you're a little out of balance here. You need to feed the things. you'll come back into balance it'll swing around again and it'll come through and if you think of
1:04:47 the earth more in this uh this methodology this type of thing meet the basics do the good things you will relieve yourself from linear just like disjointed disconnected thinking where you think i need more cn it's like well are you sure uh you know and it's like now you just need to go around the spiral again and provide the right things, right? So, um, so anyway, you know, uh, that was a pretty good nugget right there at the end. Good gem. Thanks for staying till the end. Thanks for being part of the office hours. Thanks for the family. Thanks for all the members. Thanks
1:05:22 for being here. Um, hopefully I'm doing master Cho proud, talking about his son doing, you know, it's really my aim. I'm trying to be like, you know, as much as I hate on the other orchards and hate on things, if you're there, Hey, you can recover. You can do good. Just get in the spiral. sacred spiral turn into a circle take me home you know all those good things uh do do do good be a good person i'll see you next week uh doing more natural farming i think next week is our monthly meeting so if you're not a member yet join what are you waiting for and if you are a
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1:06:26 cool um uh yeah yeah yeah okay well yeah compost we should get into the bio uh johnson sue stuff okay anyway there's plenty more topics so we can never exhaust natural farming it just keeps bubbling over especially when i keep reviewing half the show so anyway yeah thanks okay i gotta get out of here before i continue to mumble endlessly so thank you cool love you bye uh let's see ready set go bye