Certificate to Teach KNF, JMS Smell Test, FPJ vs FPE

0:00 Hey, I'm not sure if we're live. Is it? Hang on. Yeah, is it? Is it? yeah and we're live hey how's it everybody um welcome to office hours for august 27th 2023 uh korean natural farming

0:52 live, coming at you all around the world from good Hawaii here. Yeah, hey, hey, hey. I, uh, yeah, usually I get here a little bit earlier and have it count down, but today just got here just in time, sort of, not really. Um, so let's start with a little bit of higher wisdom. Bring some of that into the mix. So today is inner truth. Through openness and gentleness, the correct solution is reached. Arriving at the correct solution to a difficult

1:41 situation requires receptivity to inner truth. Unless we are willing to put aside the strong emotions of our egos and devote ourselves to discovering what is right, there can be no hope of progress at this time. Help only comes when we invite it with a sincere and innocent attitude. The I Ching teaches us a simple but effective method of influencing difficult people in arduous situations. It advises us first to lay aside our prejudices, our feelings of being wounded, angry, in the right.

2:29 and second to seek and understand the position of others and the lesson the sage is teaching us with this situation even when another is truly out of line it is only by accepting this and remaining balanced that you make it possible for positive change to occur gentleness and understanding create in others an unconscious willingness to be led the superior person therefore avoids the use of anger and force in trying times knowing they only prolong the conflict it is far wiser to accept that each experience we have

3:19 is necessary for us to learn something about ourselves and the higher laws of life. The greatest openings come when we meet difficulty with acceptance, gentleness, and desire to understand the lesson underneath. So, interesting, interesting thing there. Ooh, almost knocked that over. That wasn't good. um yeah always the inner truth what is our inner truth here are we trying to get it i don't know spreading some korean natural farming around the world i guess that's why i'm here it's my inner

4:04 truth. Um, yeah, there we go. Yeah. So, um, and then what's up everybody? Hey, we got the whole world tuned in here. That's also the inner truth trying to, I don't know, I guess showing up here to continue to facilitate a way for the Korean natural farming community to come together. It's another part of my inner truth. But let's see here. So this week I got a few emails that were of note and interest.

4:51 um one of those um was from one of my past students here sorry i'm kind of dragging here but um one of my past students so let me see if i can cue this up here get this going hey bird thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you super chats that's also why i'm here right it's a job i'm trying to make money as i support a community so i appreciate that you know i don't believe that's the one reason that my youtube still has income is super chats because i don't really get them from

5:41 the other way so let me see I'm going to screen share over here maybe I'll just do this and do this and then play this let me transition that and play so

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9:41 so that was um that's dan and uh heather's farm up in nova scotia and kind of cool to see they're they're like tucked in just like a forest and they've been doing natural farming for three four years so i don't know they came here last year in january and learned um took the week-long training course and learned here. Um, and so they, what they've been doing, let me, let me kind of, um, oh man, if I don't have YouTube, um, let me just go through this a little bit. Let me do this

10:29 and do, yeah, let me just do that. So, um, so anyway, just looking at their thing, Basically, you know, they're near this beautiful lake. They're up in Nova Scotia. It gets cold up there. But here's, so basically this is their, I believe, part of this is a winery. And part of it is a stone fruit orchard. And then they also run a you pick garden up here. So they're in kind of this, you know, pretty rural area. I mean, look at their, you know, they got this lake and they're surrounded by all this trees and things.

11:19 So, you know, and then they're putting in this winery. And so he's been, Dan and Heather have been doing natural farming and they're kind of an older couple. uh you know i mean compared compared to me they're you know 20 30 years older than me and i'm old so um but yeah so it's so that's one of the things that's been a difficulty for them on the farm has been um you know as they get older um just running such a big area is is somewhat challenging but um you know dan dan's growing great i think he's growing strawberries i don't know something

12:00 like that as well. But, um, I think part of this gotta be their, um, I don't know which parts their vines and which parts their orchard really should have Dan talk about it, but this is definitely their orchard. They grow a bunch of stone fruits and things. Um, and then coming through this, they're, you know, on their nice farm here, their garden area there, I guess. Um, And then at the very end, this is them. That's Dan, that's Heather, and I think this might be Heather's mom. So it's these three folks that are farming this whole area and making a huge

12:39 difference for everybody. So it's always inspiring for me to see everyone's farm like that and to see you know, people get into it and want to take an area like this and make it into natural farming and, um, you know, make, make the world a better place that way. Um, so yeah, you're, you're in Nova Scotia. Well, look up, um, if you're in Nova Scotia, look up these guys right here. Um, it's Lunenburg Country Winery. And look up these guys because they are great folks. They really had fun at the training. You know, Dan is like into natural farming. He's made

13:29 most of the solutions on his own. He came here, they learned a whole bunch. And then Heather was kind of diving in head first. She was there to really support Dan, her husband. You know, and it's so great to see a loving couple get into it. Um, but, but they both got, you know, um, just learned so much and we made IMOs and I showed them how to make a better collection. Although he sent me an email the other day. I'm not sure his, um, collection came out that great, but, um, he, I think he ended up leaving it a little long. Um, and then, um,

14:05 yeah and so um we got that um so and then there was a yeah the awesome garden pictures um that was actually um ty tyler well he's in here um last week was tyler's garden that i showed and then this week, what else? I got another video from Hawkeye here, Joseph. I've been trying to link up with him, but I didn't get here early enough to kind of get things set up, and he has to go and be at the right place to connect, but I did. Let's see here. So,

14:54 Let's switch this over to this one here. This is Joseph in New Mexico. Welcome back to Hawkeye Speaks. I'm going to mute him for just a sec. He's been putting out some good videos just talking about how to build, regenerate the desert, and then his earth ships and living kind of sustainably out there. in New Mexico, Taos, I think, area. But working on, you know, re-greening the desert and bringing this place back to life. So if you're interested, I'll link this video. In fact, I'll just drop it in the chat right now.

15:41 You can watch that. And, you know, he has a great message. And I want to, I'll listen to this later and get into it. But wanting to, you know, talk story with people that are on the right path, doing the right things. And, you know, what a different ecosystem in the desert versus where I'm at in the tropics. You know, but again, natural farming works anywhere. Cool, the fifth bardo. I would definitely get in touch with them and link up. Is that what I think? And then, so, yeah, yeah, that's another good thing of being here, finding the right people.

16:29 Yeah, how is it? Let's see. And then I also got another email this week. I got a few. One is this. I thought this was kind of cool. So the guy last week that emailed me, Chris, he's been doing some meditations at his lake, envisioning a column of light. And then he took a photo of the lake where he sat to do it. And sure enough, there is a column of light. You know, kind of interesting. things. So, you know, having good vibes, doing, doing nice things, um, tuning into the higher

17:16 spirits. And he says, yeah, so, you know, it's interesting to share all kinds of things on subject, off subject, inspiration, I guess the column of light, you know, being mindful, being, you know, into serving the, um, the higher power God, you know, it's all natural farming. It's all interrelated. So some interesting things there. And then I did get one other question here, um, coming from the email here where you may or may not be able to read it, but they were asking me. Let me just make it bigger. Does it matter? It doesn't really matter, but make it bigger too.

18:06 So these folks here coming in from central Texas, they're making a permaculture format maintained with K&F and Jadam. They have a 6.5 acre property with, you know, oaks and scrub oaks and small pine, which sounds pretty awesome. It looks sort of, oaks are great trees. And they have an understory of Yapon, which some would say would be invasive. I view it as an opportunity. That's super smart because you can probably ferment the heck out of this and use it to be fertile somewhere else. And it's an understory, so it's protecting your soil.

18:51 so transforming the land versus you know what my neighbor just did which they just bulldozed their entire land um you know it's a different approach um you can do agriculture and produce food but what is your long-term effect on the land are you bringing fertility up those things that you know and so they bought this land because it has the IMO they're looking for so these guys sound um Emmett and Steph sound like their next level folks they already knew what to go for. And they have a dry creek bed in the middle, but most likely with the right things,

19:29 you know, tune into some Jeff Lawton stuff, do the right natural farming. It will be a wet creek bed and you'll get water to flow again. And so he's asking, his question here though is, do we need a certificate to teach? And it's nice. He put his question in bold and he has the right amount of paragraph length. Really easy to, I really commend you Emmett. Really nice email. And the question is, do I need a certificate to teach? Do you need a certificate to teach? No, no, no. Go teach, go spread, go do. What is the benefit of coming here to learn KNF Farm? What is the benefit of coming here,

20:14 getting certified, doing the thing, coming to these courses is one, you go through from zero to 60, right? Or zero to a hundred is a better way. You know, 100, keep it a hundred. You go through and you learn, you know, from basic basics to advanced, advanced, like, and it's all depends on your capacity to absorb things, but we leave no solution untouched. we also apply it practically we go you build community with the folks that are here you build a relationship with me i teach you level one which is a understanding how to apply

20:55 level two which is how to manufacture the solutions and level three which is how to teach and how to connect with the community that that we have and what resources are out there and a long-standing history of Korean natural farming, going through Master Cho, the whole lineage, and get you as much as possible. So you do end up coming here and getting a pure KNF level 1, 2, and 3 certificate when you train here. But do you need it to go teach? No, not necessarily. Go teach. If you learned a little bit, go start teaching. However, don't

21:33 be saying you're like doing it pure K and F and start to run into where, you know, you would undermine what I'm teaching. In terms of I try to keep, you know, what I'm doing, teaching you, giving you this power, this ability, this understanding. Once you've taken the one, two, and three, I think you end up having a much better idea and responsibility and situational awareness and context and all the things that I deem are necessary for you to go out to do a good job. If you just learned on the internet, you've tuned into office hours,

22:11 you know some stuff and you want to teach, fine, good, do it. But I do have courses held here and they're in Hawaii. So November and January. Um, and there are some folks that teach on the mainland. Um, but you know, what I do here is, um, small class size, very in-depth, seven days, full integration. Um, so advice on that, you know, is how to do it. So, um, and these guys here, they say they have friends with many local farmers and gardeners who are still chemical based. coming from Big Ag and Ag Co-op. We'd be honored not only better our practices on our farm,

22:59 but help as an educational hub for the way. And the way to do that is, A, you've got to be successful yourself. If people are doing it and you want to be the way, you forgot the H and the E, the way, but you've got to prove that it works and do it and do it correctly. and be successful and know the tips and tricks to do it and be as efficient as you can. And that's what I try to do. I'll try to take my 15 years of experience, condense it into one week, give as much as I can to you if you're here and do it. And so folks that have been here know it works well.

23:40 So, and then again, here at the bottom, he's saying, so sorry what happened on the island of Maui. Absolute tragedy. May have been preventable had they had KNF spraying drones and brought their soil to life and had living things around them. I don't know. But I know that what we're up to is the solution and is the thing. So, and then, yeah. So anyway, you, you know, do you need to be certified to teach? No, it just gives you credentials. It gives you access. It gives you a direct lineage to Master Cho. It gives you the hands-on, the taste, the smell, the tactile

24:21 experience that I believe is necessary. I've been doing natural farming for 15 years, and before I thought I knew what I was doing, I didn't. I've even had some students that have been certified, or come here to take the course that have been trained by other folks, and they're like, wow, I learned so much more here. My friend Brittany went up to Idaho, learned from a class up there where there were about, you know, 60 people there. And she, you know, knows natural farming, learned about it, then came here and was like, whoa, I learned so much more. This was so worth

24:56 it, so much better. So, you know, and, you know, continued support through this office hour, trying to get other things together, you know, trying to seek the inner truth, you know, trying to do what I really care about. And what I, I mean, what I truly, I was telling my wife the other day, what I truly care about is making the earth a better place, making it livable, you know, getting rid of the pollution, the toxins. Farming, I like doing farming, uh, because it's, it's makes me sovereign, but I'm not that into farming. I'm not like, I

25:39 want to grow so much food and feed the world. I'm more like, I want to just make the earth a healthier place, a livable place. I, I came from the realm of computer science, you know, I was trained to be, you know, I write Java and C and Python and Ruby and, you know, JavaScript and, you know, I speak all these other languages. Right. And I love that. And I love the computer and I love that kind of stuff. But, and that's, you know, like if I had a choice, what do you want to do today? Assuming the earth is going to be good, uh, program the earth or program the computer.

26:13 I, I like the computer because one thing I get on the thing and it's like, I can write apps that affect millions of people out there. I can do stuff that continues to work and I love the earth. I love being on it, but you know, and I'm really, um, um, um, not to be egotistical, but I'm pretty darn good at natural farming. I love it. I see it and it's just this holistic, like spiritual, you know, like programming all these huge ways and I've been highly trained. So I love it and I love doing it because I love being sovereign and living on a piece of land.

26:47 But I'm not the kind of person that's like wanting to grow a bunch of food for people. Really what I enjoy doing is getting my drone out and spraying the microbes and realizing that I'm building a better immune system for our farm and all these things and building fertility and building soil and building a microbial oasis. And the crops and the food are just one way to do this. You know, at certain points in my life, I've been more into farming, but recently, you know, it's trying to support a community and do these other things. So

27:21 my true inner truth and teaching people and giving them the tools they need to go do it. Because if your passion is growing food and you come here and I help you, or you tune into this and I help you, you will do it better. It's just inevitable. You know, more knowledge, more understanding, more depth, you'll find it out. So, um, and Thomas here was here and he said, taking the class on the farm was an awesome way to see KNF becoming a reality versus a concept. And that's true. I also live the Gandhi lifestyle of, you know, you can't just tell people about

27:58 things. You actually got to do it yourself. If I'm not doing it and I'm telling you that something, it's like, you know, so I learned by experience. I do it. So hopefully I don't undermine myself too much here of being like, you know, but I'm just like my passion is not agriculture. My passion is earth restoration. My passion is seeing the ocean become fertile again and let's see fish and whales and dolphins. And we are, you know, I understand exponential theory and we're just on a path towards just extinction and reversing that extinction curve and seeing more diversity,

28:35 more microbes, more life, everything. So I hope that doesn't be like, you know, if you want to learn agriculture, you come here and you think, well, he's not even into agriculture. It's like agriculture is one way to get there. One, as I always say on this farm or on this office hour, one of the most destructive things we do on the earth is agriculture, uh, you know, and, and, and then how we live with yards and mowing and everything. Um, but, but agriculture, thousands of acres of land just killed off gassing, destroying the soil, mining thousands of years.

29:07 like if we want to live hundreds or thousands more years we sure as heck should be building the soil not mining and taking it all and so um you know that's that's my passion is to see you know no smell animals go to america people live in harmony with nature people live in food abundance and take good care of the earth so that's um that's you know if you're interested in those types vibes and you want to do agriculture and you want to change the life and you want to just even be a climate activist where you're just like putting solutions out, not just complaining.

29:47 That's what I do. So, um, so anyway, you guys know that you've tuned in here. I feel like I'm on a little rant there of just like what I ended up, but you know, inner truth, that's my, that's my inner truth is, um, doing this and doing it right. So I appreciate everyone out there on the same page doing it. And yeah, seeing the KNF recipes turn the desert green again. Absolutely. It's of all the solutions out there, you know, all these things, Korean natural farming, you know, in Korean natural farming, it's just because that's Master Cho's named it that

30:24 is the way. So anyway, there was a question from Andrew up here about getting a book from an organization that I cannot endorse, um, and that you're on your own for that one, man. I can't help you. Um, it's no longer a good organization and I wouldn't even, I'm not even going to mention its name here. Um, but, um, yeah, uh, you know, I, um, I would not deal with those folks. They're corrupt. Um, and yeah, so there, there was a huge schism in 2018. I know I'm not supposed to talk about it just cause I'm supposed to stay positive and move forward, but,

31:09 um, that organization is no longer good. Um, so if you want, um, Master Cho's books, I give a bunch of those to my students when they come on PDF format. And, um, that's one way to get them. Um, but, um, I would not, it's, it's like, what do you, what do you, I don't know. Anyway, I just, I'll avoid that question just because I don't want to talk about that. But I mean, inner truth, um, is that they are nasty, um, nasty folks and, um, a lot of betrayal and copyright infringement and all kinds of gross stuff. So, um, oh, it's a bummer, you know,

31:57 when you try and try and do good with folks and then it ends up being not that good. So, um, hmm. Okay. Let's see. What do I want to move on to here? Um, yeah um um yeah and i mean you know i get passionate when i talk about um talk about the earth what i'm doing and i get this like there's like a huge pain in my heart of what what has happened with natural farming the organizations, the split, like even, you know, even the previous question asking about courses on the mainland of things, you know, at one point had it, had it pretty darn organized.

32:47 And that's, that's one, one problem is when you concentrate power into one thing, then that entity can become easily corruptible. And, um, folks with non pure, non good intentions can get involved and then can corrupt things and it's beyond your control to stop. And so I think one of the lessons I've learned in natural farming is, you know, is not to concentrate power. And that's why when I teach folks, I kind of, you know, give them as many tools as I can, but send them out as distributed entities to do things versus trying to create like

33:30 one power structure, one like certification thing where it's like, you know, because it gives like power and hierarchy. And then that leads to where it's like, you can discriminate by saying, well, you are, and you're not in this and that. And it's, and it becomes political versus it becomes, you know, a meritocracy and, and, and based on your merit. And, um, I try to lead as much of a distributed thing as possible. I mean, there's, there's benefits, the centralization and there's benefits to distribution. And so I try, you know, these days I'm trying to bring, uh, as minimal

34:08 centralization as possible. Obviously there's this office hour and I do it each week, but I want to make it more distributed where I'm bringing in more people, interviewing more things, um, and making it, um, making it available. Yeah. And, and actually, you know, um, the literature, getting those things out, you know, that is a 10 tends to be a centralization type of thing, you know, because usually there's one author that writes something great and puts it out and it's been kind of out there. Yeah. So if you come, if you come here, Andrew,

34:46 I hook you up with everything. All those books are sitting right behind me on this shelf. You see this shelf right here? That's all what those are. All those are natural farming books. There's tons of them. There's not just one. There are tons of them. Um, and that's, you know, they're right behind me right there on that shelf. And a lot of them come from this guy, Master Cho and Pierre Canif Foundation, keeping me here to share with this, you know? So, um, yeah. So thanks. Thanks for recognizing things. I don't, I don't want to just be here talking

35:20 about myself and these things because you're a longtime viewer. You've heard about this a lot, I notice sometimes on YouTube, though, they say, if you're new, and they repeat the same message, and then they get into their other message. And I think oftentimes I don't do that. I just kind of push forward and do things. So, but I appreciate. So anybody else got anything they want to get into? There's a question here. What do I think of the work of Dr. Richard Orley? I'm unfamiliar. here um but at least now there's the internet here um bad minerals so he's talking about minerals

35:57 um mineralization so i have a theory on mineralization that minerals are fossilized microbes and when you can unlock the minerals and reanimate them they become um they become um good microbes so minerals minerals are fossilized microbes um i don't know if that's true or not but um so but minerals and microbes in my mind if you mineralize your field all of a sudden you get good microbes if you microbe your field all of a sudden you get good minerals they're very interlinked and um it's kind of this living biological formula that i have um

36:42 Um, and so, um, so I, I'll, I'll look up Richard Orley here, see what he has to say. I'm sure he's, if he's talking with the Bionutrient Food Association, that is, um, um, oh, what's the guy's name? I just had it. Oh man, it's hard to keep all this stuff in my head. And he's working with Acres USA. I would say that those are great, um, references that if he's working with those folks, they're, they're pretty good. Um, it's a bit older than me and, uh, he's a chiropractor kind of interesting. I think if you don't study directly into this stuff, but you get in indirectly,

37:24 you have more Dan Kitteridge. That's the guy's name. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I have one of his bionutrient, uh, food meters over here. I really underutilized that. Um, I wanted to do some things and then, um, get those things. Um, oh, um, Thomas was here. He took pictures of the books, but he lost them all. So, yeah, so I think this is an interesting comment here from Spencer. It says, hard to do IMO in the community garden, but JMS has been working well for me and very good

38:14 at disease suppression. So, interesting because, you know, it's kind of an indirect method, But the Jadam microbe solution, you know, tends to be pretty, pretty good at doing things. It just stimulates the microbes. So if you're curious, and one book I do have is the book I've written here. And let me switch this over here to do, let me do this here and switch this over. so in in my book here um which is an ebook out here has all the recipes has most the stuff you need to get into it uh recipe wise but in the very back of the book um it talks about the three core

39:03 solutions of yungsang cho and one of them is this disgustingly cheap microbes also known as um, JMS. And, um, it's a terribly low cost solution. Um, but it's super quick and super easy. So you're doing it in a community garden, you take water, rich microbial soil, some starch and some sea salt, mix it all in a bucket and then let it go. And what happens is the microbes take off the good microbes out compete, the bad microbes. And you use it at this point and you will get a whole bunch of good worker microbes out there. Yeah. So you already have my book.

39:43 You're just looking for more literature. Okay. I understand the struggle is real. Um, and then, um, and then if you use it in a later stage, those microbe bodies become like dead bodies that you put out there and it becomes more of a fertilizer. So, um, so that's, that's great. I'm glad that this is working for you because it's a quick, dirty, simple, easy, cheap, terribly disgusting way to get microbes out there. And, um, yeah. So, yeah. So anyway, those are the things, um, that are good. I can, I can go behind me and get a stack of books if you guys want. I've done

40:24 the books before as an early office hour, but may as well review now at this point, much bigger audience at this point. I'll go grab those books. I'll be right back. So, um, and on the space in the city to do the IMO process, is it worth doing liquid

41:13 IMO? Yeah, it's worth doing liquid IMO and your JMS smells just like the forest floor. If you're using it early enough, that's, that's where it's at. I mean, it's pretty darn effective. Getting microbes into your soil is effective. Um, you know, if I wouldn't, I wouldn't do IMO, you know, master chose process unless you're commercially farming and you're going to do a big area and or you're going to take a bunch of it make high quality stuff and then do a liquid IMO it's just a lot of effort to make you know for just a small plot or whatever your GMS you're just as good and or take IMO2 like

41:52 collect IMO from the forest make an IMO2 and then make a T and then use the liquid IMO that way and not go through the three and the four stage you know with the propagated and the activated stages. I should use the language, but, um, so in no particular order books over, I have over there, uh, Masanova, Fukuoka, One Straw Revolution. Um, thanks. Thanks to Mike Spangler for sending this to me. Um, but if you haven't read this book, definitely do. Okay. It's, it's, it's good. Um, then we got eco farm by acres usa this one is charles walter and cj finzao super good book

42:44 you want to get into eco agriculture this is a thick boy really good and we got agriculture by rudolph steiner this is his lectures on biodynamics which then got caught like codified and turned into a cult following of biodynamics that's super stringent on certain things but if you read this this is just about the principles of the book not necessarily or the principles of biodynamics not necessarily so dogmatic as biodynamic comes out to be. Then we got Gil's book, Gil Karang Dang, Grow Your Own, it's called. And this is,

43:31 you know, Gil talking about super cheap ways, similar to the Jadam stuff of Yung Song. Really good stuff. Um, yeah, you might be able to get, uh, you might be able to get it rid of, um, of mosaic virus by putting JMS. The thing you want to do is overwhelm it with good microbes. Then, um, I do not recommend this book. I have this one. I keep it on my shelf just because when students come, I show them how absolutely wrong this book is. It's, if you follow this type of natural farming, you are not, you are doing a, like, that's the thing. There's, there's good,

44:19 and there's bad natural farming. This is terrible natural farming. And unfortunately, this is like the predominant version in the Philippines. And that's why when I went there, every solution I tasted was vinegar. And that's why they're not doing very good natural farming there. Um, then I got this book. It's how to grow rice. It's in Korean, but this master Cho wrote books specifically on specific crops. It's a thin guy specifically on rice farming. And I got this one. This one is, um, fruit trees. So we went for a whole week to Korea to learn about what the contents of this book are.

45:04 This one's all about fruit trees, how to prune them, how to apply things at the right points in time. This one is all in Korean. And I got this guy. This is the Young Sang Cho's version of natural farming. I call it disgustingly cheap K&F. And this book is very comprehensive. If you don't have a copy of this, I do recommend getting this. and I do highly recommend you get this book. Although you can also get my book and get the same recipes for, you know, I don't know. Anyway, then I got Teeming with Microbes, right?

45:51 And Jeff Lohenfels, his whole thing, Teeming with Minerals, Teeming with Fungis, Teeming with Microbes, all his Teeming with series, highly recommend it. Um, then I got the carbon cycle, Leon Rydzen. This book completely changed my life more than this is the most influential book in my life. Um, hard to get this book. In fact, the first one is called the carbon connection and I don't even have it. For some reason I loaned it to people. What a bad idea because I never got it back. Um, then I got um

46:37 Netero Farming Netero Farming by Hanchu Ko Mr. Joe that's a good one but I wouldn't recommend buying it from those people that sell it so how do you get it well I don't know and then I got Jadam in Japanese and there's a whole ton more back there that I didn't grab but I grabbed started from the natural farming side there's a whole ton more so um anyway got a few more questions here I could grab some more books um um

47:22 so um Thomas is saying his disgustingly cheap microbes smell like more like the lacto. And, um, and the goof man is saying that he uses IMO T method and JMS in his small garden, smart way to go easy. Keep it simple. Keep it good. Um, and no, if it smells like the rice wash water, um, Spencer here, it's good. Actually, it's still, that's the lactobacillus smell. It's only if it smells putrid, like dead bodies, like you either, either you're doing the lactobacillus part wrong or you're, or you're, um, but, but it shouldn't smell like death. Um, so JMS water

48:08 should smell like if you're using it as a microbe thing, it should smell a little sour like that. Um, if it smells like dead bodies, rotten eggs, vomit, um, baby poop, those are bad signs. But if it doesn't smell like that, it's still in its growing up stage, still enough food, still good. So one of those two things is incorrect if you're saying it's not good there. And that's the thing about coming here and learning is you get to smell the things and see the things and taste the things. And I warn you, you know, don't taste this, do taste this, you know, whether it's good or bad.

48:43 I've had, you know, enough experience here to like know these things in and out. I don't, um, you know, um, yeah, I think I'm one, I'm the most qualified senior person practicing in America as is once, once Kim Chang passed away and bless, bless her soul wouldn't be there without her. Um, I think I took that, um, title war through attrition, man, you know, um, and then if I teach you and then I die, then you, you could be that person too. Um, um. yeah, covering the nine solutions. Okay. Where do I get a microscope on the internet? Um, I, I,

49:28 you know, I've gone over the microscope plenty. So what a better time than to pitch KNF support here and searching here and search microscope. So KNF support.com and what microscope to buy. here it is you know what microscope to buy on can I support why answer the same question when it's been answered before and then you can look up Elaine Ingham has a recommendation and because I'm not on YouTube premium there's an ad but you can look that up yourself and see it also can I support and go let me bring this in a little bit so you guys can see here

50:11 and go up here to office hours and you can search the office hours and search for microscope and there's tons of episodes that have talked about the microscope um so i really gotta make this easier where i should just single this down and not have the entire table of contents come out, just the one you wanted. Oh, well, I got to speak, you know, I love programming and all that. Maybe the inner truth, the message from the sage is that I need to do a little bit more programming and make things better. But there's tons of resources.

50:52 You can go through here and search that and find that. You'll find it. It's great. yeah Matt Powers basically has summarized Elaine Ingham's work so I don't know the guy personally but yeah Yeah, so, and then, you know, get a microscope from anywhere you find them possible. Teaming with rhizophagy. Can't say I recommend it, though. Okay, so maybe not teaming with rhizophagy.

51:39 I haven't read all Jeff Lowenfeld's books. So, yeah, and JMS. So there's lots of folks that have been getting into the JMS, the disgustingly cheap stuff. I think it's because Master Cho's stuff is so complex that it's high level precision. You know, for most people like Toyota's work and Master Cho's stuff is like the Lamborghini, right? It's very high precision. You got it. Once you buy it, you got to take real good care of it. You got to go to a special mechanic. You got to learn all these things versus the Toyota is just like, get it done. And the Jadam stuff is just get it done.

52:21 Um, so, and I used to, used to talk about the Facebook group here, you know, and there's a bunch of resources here. You go to this thing. Um, but I've completely abandoned this thing. I don't, I mean, it's still alive. It's still going. It's a distributed product product, and it looks like it's still alive and going. Um, but if you go here under the media, I think, um where is there a files tab there used to be a files thing here maybe maybe it's not even here but facebook wants me to sign in and i refuse to i basically hate the facebook pro platform so

53:05 but it's linked there and i am the admin of that group and it is still alive thanks to the moderators keeping it keeping it the gross stuff out maybe maybe it got a little better. I don't know. It doesn't look too bad right now. Usually it's pretty terrible. Oh, but you guys can't even see what I'm looking at. I'm looking at this here. I went from, I went basically on the right side. There's this little help life ring, and then I clicked here to get to the KNF group. Um, so, okay. Um, yeah lacto is good if you're getting lacto smells on a jms um it's good so don't worry about those

53:51 um advanced permaculture class it's pretty good yeah yeah learning permaculture learning korean natural farming basically permaculture is above the ground uh korean natural farming below the ground and the stuff you know the permaculture is the seen knf's the unseen right so if you come you learn both these things you're going to be good farmer um and a permaculturalist and a person that's pro-earth you know it's not you're not necessarily going to earn that much money growing a whole bunch of food i mean you can but you have to learn more about how to do it

54:27 efficiently. Do I think it's possible to control brown plant hopper of rice with the Jadam soap, sulfur, and herbs? Yes. Do I know which recipe? No. Capture a few of them, mix a few things up, try it on them, see what kills them, see what doesn't kill your plants, and then spray it. That's the whole methodology he outlines in this book, and so it's super simple. You couldn't get more simple on, you know, pest control of making herbs and spraying them. This book, I know I'm holding up the Japanese one, but it has it all in there. So if you're curious, um, you know,

55:09 one-stop shop, you can learn it. Um, banana lacto-ferment to finish. That sounds interesting. and a lacto so so if you guys are making lacto fermented kudzu you guys are making more of a fermented plant extract which is fine it's good it's just not as you should learn the difference between kind of food which is a fermented plant juice versus an fpe fermented plant extract very seldom do i recommend fermented plant extracts they are efficient it's more similar to a, if I go over here, it's more similar to these things. Like a fermented plant extract is more

55:58 similar to a disgustingly cheap food. It may not stink as bad because you've added lactobacillus to it in high quantities, but you're more around this disgustingly cheap food, which is okay. You get, you know, for affordability, for bang, you probably get, for dollar for dollar, you probably get more value out of this. But for high quality stuff that you really care about, you really want to be going with a fermented plant juice here. And the health benefits and understanding the secrets of this can of food, a fermented plant juice is like next level. This

56:37 stuff is like the king of all medicine. It really is. It perfectly mimics plant exudates. And there are so many reasons for going this route versus the other. It all depends on size, scale, and affordability though. You don't want to be making, you know, tons and tons of this stuff because the sugar will drive you bankrupt. But you do want to make enough of it because you dilute it one to 500 and the bang you get from this is about where it's at. So making a fermented plant juice from, you know, a can of food versus going the disgustingly cheap food. Even if you're using

57:17 lacto, it's more along the lines of this. And it's, it's just, you know, it's not as there, there are so many more reasons to do a fermented plant juice, um, you know, could enumerate them, but I do recommend doing, knowing, knowing both recipes and using them where appropriate for both things. You know, knowing your size, your scale, your things, when it's appropriate, that's hugely important. Yeah, so anyway, I don't necessarily recommend Janam's sulfur, the sulfur, as a thing to use. There are certain use cases where it makes sense to use sulfur, but most use cases with

58:04 sulfur, they don't make sense. Some people, you know, it's like using a nuclear bomb to take things out. There's times where it may make sense to do it. You're going to have to deal with the fallout. You're going to have to deal with the, you know, all the repercussions that come with that. But there may be cases where it makes sense. In my opinion, probably not, you know, but some people can justify it. And then if you do come in with a nuclear bomb like sulfur, then you got to come in with so much remediation to rebuild it up. You know, you got to be the

58:39 globalist of your world, you know, destroy it and then come in and rebuild it. You got to be the Halliburton of your farm, you know? Um, and so, um, you know, if, if that, if, if you bro down with Halliburton and that's like something you want to be, then, then go for it. But, um, you know, there's a lot of better ways to do it, you know, be the peace core, come in with good beneficial microbes, leave the JS at the, um, at, you know, to someone else, but have it, have it, have it handy, have it around because you, you know, you never know when you're going to need

59:12 it and you need to, you know, threaten those microbes and be like, if you don't shape up, I'm going to get this, uh, you know, JS, the sulfur on you and then make sure you put a lot of propaganda out and make sure your plants understand that, you know, anyway, I get into this whole global picture we have of how we use things and then bring it into the microcosm of agriculture i love going out on those tangents because when you understand agriculture you understand microorganisms you understand this you'll have the solutions in the world and you'll

59:42 see through majority of the cruft um it's really a good thing to do um so what's up nebraska um Marty Raspberry it's good to see all you folks here I really appreciate you guys tuning in um you know the community just today we were able to link up some folks hopefully in Nova Scotia you know linking people up this distributed centralized but distributed model I hope it's working for you guys um and um what you know um taking these few questions I have 2.5 gallons of brown sugar fish. It's almost been two years. I haven't checked it. Would it be a good sign?

1:00:26 So if you've had a bucket of fish and sugar, it should smell sweet. There might be a few molds and things on the top, but those are probably benign. And if you look, it should have a really dark looking fish sauce that, you know, it should taste sweet. It should smell sweet, should taste sweet should be amazing in eating it and or spraying it on your plants um dilute one to one to a thousand one to two thousand somewhere in there one to three thousand even it's going to be really potent stuff but it should smell really good um and um yeah you guys making

1:01:08 solutions out there. 771 dp0. And yeah, it's great to hear making solutions, pouring things off, getting things going. You guys, I don't know how you do it, learning from the internet, you know, good resources, learning these things. And crab grows. I use a hybrid method where I add sorghum molasses to kickstart the lactobacillus into overdrive. I just feel my method is faster and more efficient. So activating lactobacillus with molasses is great. Good thing. When you mix it up, you activate it that way, you put it out, you're going to feed your lactobacillus.

1:01:49 However, if you follow the Korean natural farming recipe, it already has sugar. So then when you dilute it, they're going to go to work. So, you know, either way, but adding molasses in to activate things. One thing you can end up doing is over sugaring, causing too much bacterial overgrowth and there's all these subtle factors that if you come to the class we will go into in extensive detail and I will talk about all these things. If not, search the office hour, find these things, learn it, get out there, teach it, make it good. Everyone has great ideas of how

1:02:24 to do these things. I have no idea what a DP from FCP means, but I am stoked with you guys and I learn more each time I do this. I will check out Dr. Orley and check all that out. I appreciate it. Thanks for tuning in from around the world. Keep sharing it. Um, and, um, yeah, keep feeling accomplished by doing these things. And, um, yeah. Um, oh, the banana trees, um, they're doing well. I was gonna do um um I have a few updates sitting in the queue I was I was up there and I was like man it's a lot of effort to to not only treat the bananas but then also make a video each time and

1:03:13 record it and do all that I mean it's hard enough for me to show up once a week here to do this um so maybe I'll just share some highlights next week about the banana project but it's been going well we're now we did our fourth week I think I've been doing one month third week fourth week I'm not sure exactly um that's that's why I video things to keep a good record but um keep you know the bananas growing and all those things so um yeah yeah the the KNF fuel for human health is probably one of the best you could definitely take internally um that's why Asians look so young

1:03:52 they're using all those fermented aminos and all those things. Um, yeah, tell, tell the future cannabis project that, uh, you know, they can interview me if they want. Uh, I like the, I'm, I think I subscribe to them. Um, and, uh, you know, if they don't, they don't know what they don't know, maybe they're not ready for it either too, but, um, you'll see. So cool. All right, guys. Um, thanks for tuning in. I'm going to get out of here. I got a few things I got to do today and it's my dog's birthday happy birthday to my dog Hina she's turning one year old so

1:04:27 we got to take her on a walk to celebrate and all that so thanks for tuning in um and um Kate Brown yeah okay cool there's good things so read the chat get into there and yeah happy pupper's day all right cool i'm gonna go take good care of my dog my dog and uh i'm out of here so thank you see you next week i'll most likely be here perhaps a little bit earlier and hopefully we'll have a special guest so we'll see stay tuned keep it real spread the natural farming keep the microbes going you guys know what to do girls you got you folks know what to do i'll put a

1:05:14 non-gender oriented phrase out there because we got the whole thing turning in so thank you much love aloha goodbye now see ya