JADAM Microbial Solution, IMO Grading, No-Smell Pig Pens
Drake opens with new piglets from his sow GG, born from a father-daughter pairing, five healthy out of eight born. He covers market weight (about 100 kilos, 220 pounds), home butchering with a .22 to the head, and his no-smell piggery, fed on free bread, milk, eggs and papayas. A 12 by 24 foot pen can raise ten pigs to market weight, but past four pigs in Hawaii triggers a state waste management plan that makes scaling up unprofitable.
He shows off a Swift UI app he built, Sausage Helper, that calculates spice, salt and sugar ratios for bratwurst, chorizo, kielbasa and other sausages from the weight of ground pork entered.
Getting into this week's Medaj segment, Drake grades sample IMO collections from Cho Han Kyu's book, explaining that Young Song Cho's JADAM method skips proper rice-based IMO collection because he never learned to identify the forest fungal aerobic microbes that make a good collection: wispy gray growth, not a yellow anaerobic bacterial mix, with red as an automatic toss.
He walks through the JADAM microbial solution (JMS) recipe: 1.1 pounds leaf mold (top-inch forest soil), 2.2 pounds boiled potato, and 1.1 pounds sea salt per 132 gallons of water. Drake skips the traditional straining socks, blending the potato and crumbling the leaf mold straight into the water, his own version he calls DMS. Ferment at 77°F for about 72 hours, 24 to 48 in Hawaii's heat, until the foam peaks with a bubble ring at the edge; once the ring collapses it has gone anaerobic and smells like death. Dilute 1 to 10 and apply about 100 gallons per acre, weekly for three to four weeks before planting. He warns against running it through drip lines since it clogs, and notes potato temperature and different starches change fermentation timing.
Questions answered
- 6:44 What's new with the pigs on the farm? — GG had a new litter, five healthy piglets after a father-daughter pairing, with three lost at birth.
- 12:00 What age do you slaughter pigs? — Market weight is about 100 kilos, 220 pounds, where feed-to-weight conversion is best.
- 20:01 How do you butcher pigs yourselves? — Shoot a .22 to the head, slit the throat, hang and bleed them, then quarter and process — no blood sausage.
- 21:30 How does the no-smell piggery work? — No smell, no cleaning — he just feeds them free bread, milk, eggs, and papayas from a local distributor.
- 22:19 Could you scale up pigs to make it profitable? — Past four pigs in Hawaii you need a waste management plan with a plastic liner, and it's not economical given feed costs.
- 26:35 What size pen do pigs need? — A 12 by 24 foot pen can raise ten pigs to market weight.
- 46:48 What does a good IMO collection look like? — You want forest fungal aerobic microbes, wispy gray growth; avoid mostly-yellow anaerobic collections and toss anything with red.
- 53:08 What's the recipe for JADAM microbial solution (JMS)? — Per 132 gallons of water: 1.1 pounds leaf mold from the top inch of forest soil, 2.2 pounds boiled potato, 1.1 pounds sea salt.
- 55:44 Do you need the socks for the potato and leaf mold? — No, Drake blends the potato and crumbles the leaf mold straight into the water, calling it DMS, the Drake Microbe Solution.
- 56:29 How do you know when JMS is ready to use? — Ferment at 77°F for about 72 hours, 24 to 48 in Hawaii's heat, until foam peaks with a bubble ring; once it collapses it smells like death.
- 1:03:30 How much do you dilute JMS and how much do you apply? — Dilute it 1 to 10 with water and apply about 100 gallons per acre to soak the top quarter inch of soil.
- 1:05:39 How many times do you apply JMS before planting? — Apply it weekly for three to four weeks before planting, ideally starting in fall.
- 1:07:09 Can JMS go through a drip irrigation system? — Not recommended, it's gnarly and will clog lines and grow biofilm unless very well filtered.
- 1:08:44 Does a hot potato versus a chilled one matter for JMS? — Yes, chilling cooked potato changes starch resistance, and different starches like sweet potato or cassava change fermentation timing too.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Welcome and I Ching reading: Breakthrough
- 6:44 New piglet litter from GG
- 12:00 Pig slaughter age and market weight
- 16:20 Sausage Helper app demo
- 20:01 Butchering pigs at home
- 21:30 No-smell piggery and feed sourcing
- 22:19 Scaling pigs: waste management rules
- 26:35 Pig pen sizing for market pigs
- 27:22 Finding past pig episodes on KNF Support
- 35:24 Peer KNF membership meeting recap
- 41:48 Intro to Medaj: JADAM microbial solution
- 46:48 Grading good vs bad IMO collections
- 51:40 JADAM's leaf mold shortcut
- 53:08 JMS recipe: leaf mold, potato, sea salt
- 55:44 Skipping the socks: the DMS method
- 56:29 Fermentation timing and foam stages
- 1:03:30 Dilution and application rates
- 1:07:09 Drip system risks
- 1:08:44 Potato temperature and starch timing
- 1:11:43 Wrap-up and sign-off
Transcript
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0:30 Hey, good morning. Welcome to office hours for Korean natural farming for August 18th, 2024. Hope you're doing well out there. Good to see some good folks piling into the show, I guess. We'll call it a show. A session. Office hours.
1:15 Piling into the office. Or the hour. It's good to see you guys. Hey, cool. So we'll get started today A little bit of higher wisdom for our day Let's see what we got here today Oh, today is breakthrough Resoluteness A breakthrough Do not be drawn back into bad habits The rival of Kauai indicates a long-awaited change is at hand a difficulty that has oppressed you over a long period is now about to dissolve.
2:03 It is important to respond in the proper way. There is a temptation on obtaining relief to fall into the traps of the ego, pride at having dispersed the trouble, self-righteousness about having triumph through correctness anger at one who we think is the source of the problem or a desire to remain free of difficulty in the future none of these responses is appropriate to the situation at hand what is needed now is resoluteness a firm commitment to battling for good
2:51 and to the self-examination that makes all good things possible. It is not a time to lapse back into negative mental habits and enjoy the vacation provided by the breakthrough. Do not rest on your laurels, but push forward, deepening your inner strength your resistance to the influence of inferiors both in yourself and in others strengthen those around you by setting an example of self-improvement and self-correction great progress and good fortune are available now to one who makes proper use of the opening
3:39 cool yeah break on through to the other side it's like the doors right you know you're gonna open the door better than windows or gates um yeah um yeah so cool um so yeah office hours we got an hour to go through natural farming stuff ask any question you want and if not we'll get to the madage go through the madage madage and uh you know that's been fun we're almost we're almost through that maybe we're breaking through getting getting through we're in august already i can't believe i didn't think that my
4:16 dad would last that long to be honest um but yeah we got a mark in the house what's up mark thomas yo so we got both coasts represented east coast west coast biggie smalls from mayor the rap Slayer, say your prayers What's up, Eagle Point? Yo, how are you, brethren? We got Goofman New York representing Jay-Z and the crew I don't know why, every time I think of New York, Jay-Z Christophe, yo, Belgium Belgium What is this, last week Tulsi was a major, but she got promoted to a Lieutenant Colonel, 4th of July in southern Africa. Her integrity is strong. Yeah. So I was right when I said she was a
5:04 lieutenant colonel. I think that's what I said. I didn't even know. I didn't even know she got promoted, but I just figured, you know what? She probably deserves that. General Tulsi. Tulsi for general. She should be, yeah, commander in chief, yo. Anyway, she's a good friend of mine. You can think what you like on that. But the other folks, they really don't have any military experience at it'll be good if you're gonna put someone in charge of america's military maybe it's someone who's in america's military i don't know anyway anyway we got into politics and all that stuff
5:36 late lately um we'll get into more natural farming how about that how about that yeah oh okay yeah it's turning it down instead of up down up up down i don't know messing with the volume levels here. So speaking of breakthroughs, we got Goofman. Oh, what's up? Yep, Big Wes in the house on his wife's phone still. Why are you on your wife's phone, bro? Yeah. And what's up, Robert Charles? Ola L. Kringos. Not L, not Kringo. It's a great day in LA. Okay. I don't... Oh, oh, Kringos? We're Kringos.
6:22 I like that. And Cheryl in the house. What's up, Cheryl? Cool. Cool. Well, I got something to share with y'all because something happened on the farm and that was good. Yeah, working hard to learn the ways in Maryland. What's up? So let's see. I wish there was a way to pull this up easier, but we'll have to do this. So if you're just listening, you may not know what's on the screen there, but if you're watching, you can see. So let's see. Oh yeah, look at that.
7:14 so my pig gg that's gg in the background and that is her new litter yeah that that one is one of my favorites i see her there in the back she's a proud mama oh my gosh doing her thing and then we got three kind of uh orange boys not boys uh it's actually oh this one is my favorite this is my favorite pig right here my favorite i was thinking of naming her bits you know like bacon bits but like maybe our crisps i think crisps was the name i was gonna pick but uh yeah we got the little little ones i didn't live stream it because my um
8:03 my internet up at the barn is dead and the power system is not so good but uh i gotta i gotta up the battery. Get that thing going up there. But hopefully, maybe this week I can get some footage coming down from the barn. Let's see. Let's see here. We got... Oh, yeah. I liked this little video right here. Shows the pigs doing their thing. but they're they just came out of the womb uh what was it uh saturday between friday and saturday they came out and um so we got we got brand new pigs we got five of them uh there was actually
8:54 eight born but two i wasn't up there when it happened so um two of them uh two of them weren't weren't alive when i was up there and a third one was deformed i'm not sure if it's because i uh, Papa's also the, it's a brother father type of thing going on, you know, uh, I don't know if you can talk about that on YouTube, but, um, but yeah, so one of them, one of them, the legs didn't work. Like it's front legs just didn't work. And, uh, she didn't nurse. So I, uh, and, you know, a little, a little bittersweet when you have a litter of pigs, you know, if you, you know,
9:34 you ever go through, you ever raise your own animals and stuff. It's not, not everyone comes out perfect. Some, some don't even make it out alive. Um, but yeah, well, no pig live stream, man. I'll, I'll work on it. I'll see what I can do. Yeah, I know. Um, it's just, man, it's all, I, I, I barely got her pen together because I've actually, so I was actually planning on getting, stopping doing pigs. I, um, I was really, um, you know, I was going to get out of pigs and then my boar escaped and out of his pen. Cause I, I wasn't maintaining the cages cause
10:13 I was going to give them to my friend. And then it took like six months to get him over to, you know, those in Ca'u and to get them out there. It took about six months to get the trailer and everything lined up and just everything. And then, you know, my life, his life busy. And finally, I got him out there. But in that six months, he had broken out of his pen. So I put him in the only remaining pen that's intact at that time. And so he was in there with his, you know, his wife and his daughter. And, you know, he had relations with his daughter, just happens kind of in the
10:47 animal kingdom. Um, and, uh, so that's GG. That's the result of, uh, you know, uh, father, father, daughter, love there. Um, so new pigs. Yeah. I'm not sure if that's because they're slightly inbred that that's why one came out deformed. Um, but so it goes five healthy ones, five really healthy. I got two boys and three girls. So, um, you know, and it's funny cause now I have the pigs and now I, and they're so cute and my heart opens and I fall in love with them. And then I think, why am I getting out of pigs? And I also enjoy eating sausage and ham and
11:26 bacon. And, but it's a heck of a lot of work to keep pigs. If you've ever kept pigs, you know what it takes. And it's like, oh my gosh. And keeping pigs is fun. They make great IMOs. They make great companions. They're really fun. Hey. Um, but man is a lot of work. Um, and what age do I slaughter them? Uh, you know, my last pig we slaughtered pretty old. Um, she, uh, she was about 800 pounds or so. Um, so usually, usually you'd slaughter them at about a hundred kilos, which is about 220 pounds usually that's what a market weight pig is that's where your curve of
12:14 feed to weight conversion is maximized after that they grow slower they eat more food and it doesn't economically make sense so most pork that you're eating commercial pork is slaughtered right around 100 kilos 220 pounds 250 right in there that's market weight pigs they're also you know fresh and good at that age they're not old meat where it's worn out and tired all that um but um yeah i usually but i prior to this my whole operation was a breeding operation right i had the boar and i tried to keep three sows all that never really panned out for me it's
12:56 really hard to manage all this stuff and do it when it's only a part-time job um and small scale you know you either have to go big or go home and i just went home and not enough so um you know i probably lose money on the pork all the time i think i was telling my wife you know the amount of effort it takes me to to get their food and make it all happen it's like we can buy just tons of pork from the market but but then you're eating all that antibiotics and who knows what they put in there, uh, RNA based, you know, genetic modification,
13:33 whatever the hell they're putting into the meat these days. And that's not what I want. Um, you know, so I'd rather eat my own where I know there's no vaccination, there's no antibiotics, there's no, um, you know, they're, they're, they're raised humanely happy. They're smiling pigs. They're really, they're, you know, that's what I'd rather eat. Um, so it's either a, I'm going to get out of pigs and, um, you know, not have any pork anymore or B, I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know. It's like, I don't know what I'm going to do. I like having the pigs.
14:09 They're great. They're friendly. I love them. They're except for short ribs, short ribs, kind of a turd. I'm not really, you know, that's Gigi's mom and, um, you know, the grandma of these pigs you see. Um, but I, you know, she's, she's, she's kind of, uh, Hey, what's up? We'll get Maui in the house. But G, uh, short ribs is kind of like a, a needy kind of, uh, what you call it. Like she always bangs on the cage when it come up there and jumps around. And it's like, when you're, when your animal, when you're feeding it and it feels ungrateful, it's really hard to keep feeding
14:43 it and to feel like nice for it. It's just like, so short ribs is on the menu. Um, I don't think she's pregnant, although I'm going to wait another 20 days or so just cause just to make sure, just cause the boar was in the pen with her and they, I did, I did catch them, uh, mount or him mounting her. So I just, I just don't think maybe it pollinated properly and or whatever. I don't know. It's not every time you, you poo and sigh that it, that they pop out. Um, but so we're going to eat, uh, short ribs for sure. Unless, unless she's pregnant, which I don't want
15:17 to eat a pregnant pig. I'd rather let her have pigs. Um, and I don't know what I'm going to do with this next generation. If you're in Hawaii, you want pigs? Let me know. I got, uh, three girls, two boys, really healthy, happy, amazing, beautiful colors. Um, but in the meantime, for the next three months. I am going to enjoy hanging out with them, cuddling, not in a weird way, but just hanging out with them like puppies. It's like puppies. Yay! The pigs are so friendly, so nice. I love them. And that's the reason I've kept pigs for
15:51 the past decade or I don't know how long. What is 2008 till now? I don't know. It's almost 20 years. 15 years I've been keeping pigs and it's because when the babies come out, they're so, they're so fun. So anyway, hope, hope you enjoyed that. All that. Um, um, yeah, so, um, cool. The universe wanted me to keep pigs, I guess. Yeah, maybe, uh, I do enjoy the sausage. It's really good. We made, oh, by the way, by the way, I don't even have it here, but I did make a sausage app. Let me, let me uh let me pull that up here real quick i did make a sausage app so if you are interested
16:32 making sausages and um and the the um so let's see a sausage helper is what it's called so let me go here put this screen on like this and go over to this screen here so this is the mac app store here. And, um, and I made a app here. That's me. Um, that is the sausage helper. And so what this thing does is it calculates out, um, how much, uh, like liquid salt, sugar, number one spice blend for just the traditional spice sausage, what you'd put in there. Um, and you just enter the weight right here i mean this isn't this is just an app preview right it's
17:20 not the actual app but if you click here and you you know works on iphone ipad you put in the weight of the ground pork that you have and then it will these numbers will change um and there's all these different sausages in here there's breakfast bratwurst vindaloo chorizo italian and do kielbasa, budin, marg, merguiz, hotdog, sasun sec, weisswurst, and longanese. All these different sausages, and you can select which ones you want. I think the first five, first four, first four come with the app. The rest are in-app purchases because,
17:57 you know, I was trying out that feature to see if it's worth it. And if you want this ease and you make a lot of sausage and you make these different kinds and you want to know the spice blend to do it. But here's, for instance, bratwurst. Here's the base recipe. It's these percentages here. And then if you enter, like, for instance, 3,645 grams, it then gives you the exact grams of the spices to put in there. So it's pretty handy. When we make sausage, this is what we use. um it's actually it's really nice uh because that way we get a perfectly spiced sausage we
18:35 got a lot of bratwurst some vindaloo some breakfast sausage um it even works in dark mode so if you are doing this at night uh you know it's compatible and or you're just like the dark side okay that's cool um and but you can see you know so i did i did make this app the other day because i've been making sausage and i was like you know what i need to um i need to make an app to make this easier because before it was an Excel spreadsheet and it's just like, oh man, talk about not fun Excel, you know, trying to put in things with when your hands are all covered in
19:09 nastiness and not mess up your sheet and then read it properly. And it spits out all kinds of weird things. So I just made an app, made it really easy, made it nice. This, I learned Swift UI while I was doing this and it was fun. And then I also learned how to do in-app purchases. So good, good skill learning on my end that way. But, but yeah, anyway, that's out there. I just wanted to shout that out. And, yeah. Yeah. So, let's see here. Yes, I'll see if I can get the camera up there on the pigs. I got to see. Oh, man, we got Pakistan in the house. What's up, Sam? Thanks.
19:54 Thanks, pray for the family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, stay grumble, pay. We butcher all the pigs ourselves, actually. So, you know, go up there. Usually I put a 22 to the dome and then slit the throat after. You know, can you say that on YouTube? I guess so. Anyway, that's what I do. And then pull them up with the tractor, hang them, bleed them. And then I don't collect the blood. I don't make blood sausage. I'm not that. I'm not that like. and then um you know take them down and quarter or cut them into sixth and bring them inside and
20:33 then process into the meat last time my friend helped me with butchering he's he was an expert he showed me how to find the best ass ham which i guess is what it translates into and the other two hams that come and all that so we we got a real nice we got we cut out porterhouses which are like pork chops with a tenderloin attached oh man talk about epic your own pork just the the fat the the lard is so uh good it like it melts in the sun it just drips down and we make lard we render render um render the fat into lard all that it's it's great what's up kyle okay um i'm planning a
21:14 small goat and horse farm and write all your lectures on bulk solution class. Thank you. Bless you all. Cool. Right on. Pakistan making a, uh, goat and horse farm. Cool. Awesome. Um, yeah, it is the dream. Uh, the no smell, you know, I wouldn't do pigs without the no smell piggery. I mean, because it's no smell, no cleaning. Uh, I basically just put food in and I have a kind of a deal with my local distributor. Um, so I just go pick up about a thousand dollars worth of bread, milk, and eggs every week. They give it to me free. Um, but it's, it's pretty cool. And, uh,
21:58 feed them that I used to pick up papayas, um, 850 pounds of papayas a week, but now I got, uh, They eat, like, you know, Dave's Killer Bread and, you know, Organic Valley Half and Half, you know, all that stuff. It's wild. So, yeah, the KNF app is super helpful, too. Yeah, cool. Cool. Fennel is my sausage trick. Yeah, hmm, fennel. I don't have any. If you have any sausage recipes, let me know. and put them in the app and then you know i don't know maybe we could work something out that way um maybe scale up the pig operation to make it profitable uh you could i could scale up the pig
22:49 operation if i go over four pigs in the state of hawaii then i have to file a waste management plan and I have to have, although I, excuse me, hang on a second. I feel like something's stuck in my throat. Um, but the, um, then I have to file a waste management plan and I do have a plastic liner under the bottom, which you don't need for natural farming, but I have it by regulation. Um, and actually it's bad. It's bad. It's really bad. Don't do that. It doesn't drain out. It's like, man, the system's designed to like absorb into
23:28 it and the plastic liner messes it up. It's really, it's really not a bad, not a good thing, but the waste management plan calls for it. So I'd have to file a waste management plan and I would have to build out more pig pens. And, uh, I don't think, and then the amount of food I'd have to get to make it profitable. It's really, it's really non-profitable. I don't know. Uh, you know, especially in Hawaii where food, everything is so expensive and people then, it's funny because food is so expensive, but then people aren't really, really willing to pay that
24:02 much more for pork and their food, even though food is expensive, they're not willing to pay more than that. And it costs you more than that just to do it locally. So it's like, uh, so what, what was somewhat profitable was a breeding operation where you have three sows, one boar, and they produce, uh, two litters, each, each sow is producing two litters a year. and that was somewhat profitable. Um, not in by profitable. I mean, it enabled us to eat pork without losing money because it wasn't really profitable, uh, like profitable. I think of like
24:38 making money and where you're like, you can take a vacation kind of thing. Uh, and that definitely wasn't that way. It was like, you gotta be there every day to feed them. There's no way you could hire someone to do it. And while you're gone, they're probably going to die. And it's like a disaster just waiting to happen. Um, so farming and farming is like, uh, you know, if you like staying in one place, do farming. If you like traveling, um, just keep drinking the Kool-Aid, man. Uh, so, um, and don't think about what you're eating. Just keep, you know, put the
25:13 horse blinders on, go on vacation. Don't think about it. Um, cool. Shadow Pine Homestead working on all the solutions now. Awesome solutions. Great. Um, yeah, maybe. Yeah. So, um, oh yeah. And putting the blood as a fertilizer. Awesome. Uh, you know, pigs have multiple uses. I mean, the eyewitness has been here. Um, he, he saw him. Yeah. Autistic guy likes staying in one place. Me too. I think I'm autistic. I'm pretty sure I was listening to, um, Dave, Dave's garage, Dave Plummer. I don't know if you know, he's ex Microsoft guy. Um, and yeah, he, he's like,
25:53 you're on the spectrum. I'm like, shoot, I guess I am as much as he was talking about, but I said, anyway, I can do social things and do things. I just, I just don't like it. I think I'm just an introvert and I'm not sure that what the difference between the introvert and an artist is. I don't know. Um, so, oh, cool. Someone is building a pig pen. Yeah, cool. If you don't like traveling, then build a pig pen, be sustainable, do that. Um, I I'm, I'm the reason I'm getting out of pigs is because I'm going more into cattle and I'm hoping that getting
26:31 rid of the pigs will free me up to have a little bit more time, but it's probably just an illusion. It really doesn't take that much time to do the pigs. Yeah, I'll just unite. You can, in a 10 by 20, I would make it 12 by 24. And you can raise 10 pigs to market weight in that size. Just that extra, what is it? You know, it's a fair amount of square feet. But 12 feet by 24 feet. and you can raise 10 market pigs in that size. So if you can scale it up, I don't know if you already put in the thing. And the number of feeders, yeah,
27:17 I just, you can run 10 pigs. And I did cover MasterCho's pig stuff previously. So you can look back in the office hours and search for pigs and you'll find that. And to search back in the office hours, you just go over here and let's see here. KNF support.com. Let's see. I'll pull it up. KNF support.com and see, you know, I did. So KNF support.com new agri for off and I haven't been here for a while. I gotta, I gotta check in. I didn't want to answer this pH meters question. So I, because I was like, you don't need to measure your pH. Oh, potassium hydroxide. Oh, Castillo,
27:55 this guy emailed me too. I got to sell them some. I have some. So, um, but searching right over here, office hour. You can search for pigs here. Pigs. And let's see. Yeah, here. Pictures of KNF pigs. What do we do? Ooh, I guess that's the thing I had. Let's see. Was it? Whoa, we looked up. Oh, no no no okay okay yeah no interesting it's like a glitch um oh this was the last time we had pigs when was this this was april 2nd was the last time we had pigs so it's been almost been more than a year um but more pigs um yeah here's the pig barn these things um all kinds of good stuff so pigs
28:49 on the farm story. What does Drake feed his pigs? Oh, so if you're interested in that, and there's commercial feed and short supply back in 2022, it seems that there's, I've solved that problem, but yeah, pigs. Yeah. Anyway, there's tons of resources. Talked about pigs a whole lot. I like pigs. I'm just, I'm just going to say I like pigs, feeding pigs on the internet. Oh, this is when I had to feed my pigs, the digital thing, and that was pretty awesome, but since taking that down, Nobody really, it was too expensive to run. Anytime you put technology in, it breaks. Always think of that.
29:25 Like, technology breaks. Pigs make more pigs. Sup, Hope? And Iceman? Yeah. So, anyway. Conventional pigs, KNF pigs. Tons of resources. So, I just searched pigs right here for the office hour videos. And KNF support. That's how I got there. So, let's see here. What do you got a question here? Okay, okay, okay. Okay, so we'll answer a few questions here. We got a few questions. And then we'll get into Medaj, because it's almost that time. Medaj time. Oh, it's Medaj time. So last IMO one was a fail. Wet weather. I threw it in the old soil pile on the edge of the forest.
30:12 After a week, hyphae now spreading and clumping. Any wage to salvage this? feed it keep it alive i know i'm asking to skip steps okay um well i so we're gonna get into the madadge today and the madadge i know what we're gonna get into is making uh his version of imos they're not the same as master chose they're superior in a lot of ways, but that would be a way you could salt salvage. It is following these steps we're going to get into today. So we'll get to that and I'll answer it that way. Cause salvaging things like
30:54 that, feed it, keep it alive. Uh, you're just trying to grow good soil, man. It's like, uh, so, um, but master chose thing is like pretty specific. You know, it's like, it's like you gotta start with good in good out right procedure it's master cho stuff is very tricky but when you do it right it's like it's it's really good so in terms of salvaging and or working with lesser inputs um pay attention today when we get to the medag because that it's it's super simple super easy all those things and it's just not as like i was like
31:37 I didn't sleep very well last night and I was thinking for some reason I was thinking about the Madag stuff and I'm like it's like the Toyota pickup you get the Toyota you know it's useful it's useful it's not like your Tesla cyber truck where you just like get the flex like Master Chos would be like the cyber truck where you get the flex but your Toyota pickup is going to be so much more useful or your F-150 in fact it's probably that you know I wouldn't quite say it's the F-150 it's probably the Toyota you know just F-150 is you know just a notch up from that
32:06 Toyota. I'm just going to say that just because, man, my F-150 is so awesome. And if I had a Yoda, I'd be so... Unless you get like a Tacoma. Or not a Tacoma, but like a Tundra. Anyway, if you're into trucks and you're farming, you probably know what I'm talking about. okay yeah cool so Thomas yeah cool yeah autists unite okay so anyway the whole high price thing has the farmers fighting the big box stores worse than ever seems like another smart move on the government's part to crush out the remaining small farms. I don't know, but yeah,
32:54 yeah, there's a war on small farmers. There's a war on sovereignty. There's a war on independence. There's a war. If you are a farmer, you are reaching toward sovereignty and uncontrollability. And, you know, they don't want that. At least it seems like they don't want that. Government ruins everything. Yeah. Everything they touch. Well, the weird thing, the weird thing in America because we are the government, right? And those representatives and that thing that we have is on our pleasure, on our behest. So we are the government. So never forget that. I don't know if
33:27 it's the same true in Canada. Pretty sure you're subject of the queen, king, I guess, king, Charles, you must be your lord. And then you also got Trudeau. Is he Trudeau? No, Lion Doe. Lion Doe. Mr. I'm going to debank you if you disagree with me. So, yeah, we're not a democracy, a republic. Yeah. So we ourselves are the government. So never forget that. Never forget that you and us. We as Americans, we are the government. Those other people are just there on our behest. And so as soon as we tell them to stop effing around, they will.
34:13 and I think we just we just get rid of all that whole thing we're the government we are so we could get rid of that entire thing and uh not have you know we wouldn't be anarchy because we're still the government ourselves and we can just get rid of all that and then start over because that those guys are trying to dictate those guys and gals are trying it and non-binary folks in there trying to dictate what the hell we do right telling us who and and it's like bro bro bro you work for me so just chill the fuck out and anyway microbes are us is changing his dodge ram u-joins
34:52 if you're a farmer you're also an auto mechanic and a welder and a carpenter and everything else if you're a farmer you probably change your own u-joins oh man yeah so anyway never forget we're the government and Big West is an expert on U.S. politics. You and Ken, Theora of Porphyse. Okay. Oh, yeah. And then one last thing before we get into Medaj. It's almost Medaj time. It's almost Medaj time. Is we're going to go. I was going to tell you last week, I believe it was last week. Yeah, it was last week. We had a peer KNF membership meeting and oh, was it fun.
35:41 It was fun. It really was. It's great. I've really been enjoying building this community. Sometimes I feel a little burnt out, but it really worked out well. And we had a membership meeting and we had Evan Sharp of Whole Plant Services come and talk to us. Oh, look at that. Oh, the heart. Um, and so if you were a member, you know, and you were there, awesome. If you weren't, you can check it out here, monthly meetings. It's going to tell me I need to log in. I'm not going to log in right now. Cause I don't even know it's posted yet. I think, um, my wife was working on it.
36:17 Um, and so, but you will be able to hear more. And he was talking about Medaj and how much that, um, that helped him. Um, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, Kristoff, it's cool. And so, you know, we may vary the time so that we can help people around the world because basically right now we have one time and it works for me. It's convenient for me and it works for a majority of people, but we did, if you are a member, um, you can also go here to this feedback and polls here, which I guess I will log in here. I got to log in. Hang on one sec. And then I'll show you
36:57 the feedback and polls. But if you send in this poll and you tell us, because basically we're asking our members, we want to serve them the best. And so here under this membership feedback and poll, you have a member here or a questionnaire here. So I don't know if you know about that, But if you are a member, you can go to feedback and polls here. And then down here, it asks, yeah, monthly membership meeting. It asked, you know, would you be interested in it first off? Because we just want to gauge whether you're interested in it or not, because we want to
37:34 put our efforts towards the right way. And then asking, you know, what works for you? You know, what time, you know, we're getting started with this time. So if that time doesn't work for you, just say, you know, that won't work for me, you know, because of different time zones, differences or whatever. And then because we monitor this this poll here. And then you can also say, you know, what day of the week works best for you. And then, you know, what times work best for you, including time zone.
38:05 Right. So if we can then get as much of that as possible, because we are a global, you know, people from all over, like all over the world are joining and becoming members, then we can kind of, you know, if we have an aggregation of times that are obvious that these times work better, then we can switch it up so that we can, you know, we're not always in where it's like three in the morning for you. but then it's like, um, you know, maybe, maybe it's noon for you type thing or whatever, whatever time you specify. And then we can kind of switch that up. So if you are a member and
38:39 you haven't filled this out, please do. Um, just, just letting you know, cause, uh, we did email that out with our early members, but I don't know if, you know, how much people just explore websites. I tend to be, I guess I'm an autist. So I explore a website and go through the whole thing, but I guess I realized that not everyone's autistic. So, um, you know, but feedbacks and polls right here. Um, and then, uh, we can get that so we can balance it all out with everybody. And, um, let's see, actually, is there a monthly meeting here? Let's see. Is Evan Sharp listed yet?
39:12 Oh, we got Stacy Shepard coming up next. Oh, Stacy, Stacy, my good friend, Stacy. She is, used to be a Hilo resident now living in Texas. Uh, amazing naturopath, uh, all into the gaps, diet, healing people. Oh man, I miss Stacy. That's fun. And oh yeah, Evan Sharp is up. Yeah. So, so here you can just watch this right here and pull this up and see, is it going to play? Is it going to play? Did, did Suze figure out how to do it? No, she did not. That's okay. I will go in and fix this. Oh no, maybe she did. She did figure it out. Wow. Amazing. But there's Evan. What a
39:48 good, good guy there doing his thing. I'm actually going to screenshot that for a sec because that's a good photo that I just happened to randomly click on and we'll grab that because I need that for something else. Um, but yeah, he, you know, growing, uh, wellness plants here and just amazing root system, stem system. You know, I think there's a YouTube friendly picture, but, uh, enjoying the process doing all those things. So if you, if you missed it, jump in there, be a member, get into the goods, um, and, uh, also explore what we got there. Explore the website. Pretend you're autistic.
40:27 Um, so let's see here. Okay. Yeah. Um, you know, sorry, we got to take 60 bucks one time to do it or 120 or more if you want, but, um, you know, it's only five, five bucks a month. So if you can put five bucks a month away, then next, next year you can be a member. and or, you know, we don't have any payment plans or anything because it's in our bylaws that you are a member of the nonprofit, actually. So is it my dadg time? Is it my dadg time? Cool. Angie made some WSC. I'm assuming that is KNF reproduction for the first time today. So you
41:04 you toasted some eggshells, dissolved them. You got the little lava lamp going. How cool is that, Angie. It's a, it's one of my favorite solutions to make with kids, uh, because they, they love the lava lamp thing going on. And, um, plus it's just great to eat and all that. So the round, okay, well, I think it's my dad's time. So we're going to get into like, how do you salvage junk compost stuff? Like if you, if you, if you want to take master chose stuff and make it easier and less effective, but somewhat okay. Then get into Medaj. Medaj is, you know, it's,
41:41 it's Korean natural farming. It's Korean natural farming the whole way. You know, they're Korean, they're natural farming. They lived here right in the spot for a month, right in the same office that I'm in. It used to have bunk beds in it. Um, yeah. So, um, be in port, man. Uh, so, so go and ask your neighbor if you can help them and take some natural farming stuff and spray it on their tree and see like, and do a little, um, do a little fundraising thing, you know, 60 bucks, 60 bucks. I think, I think you can make 60 bucks. I'm pretty
42:13 sure. Um, yeah, yeah. Um, but just, yeah, sell, sell some, make some fish amino acids, sell it to somebody, you know? Um, I don't know, grow, grow a garden and sell the lettuce or something. You can pop lettuce in a few days, in one month. Anyway, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm just trying to throw ideas out there. I'm not trying to be like harping or anything, you know, funds are tight for everyone. In fact, it's getting worse because of inflation. And we've covered that, but the way to de-inflate things is to start to get into production.
42:44 So if you're in production, now you're growing things, right? Like the pigs are deflating, right? I get more pigs. It equals more. Anyway, getting into production instead of consumption. it's an economic trap that they all have us drowning in okay anyway i'm not you know i'm not i'm not uh i'm not flush on cash either i'm really i'm really just making it here so but uh somehow showing up and doing it oh and by the way i wanted to thank everyone who super chatted last week it was actually like um we i'm yeah you know when you when you give and you give
43:21 back, it's like, it's cool. That's, that's the way money is supposed to work. It's a currency. It's a flow. It's putting funds towards what you're doing. And I really want to appreciate everybody. And even Sebastian who came in and donated at natural farming, Hawaii.net and donated that way. And I like, I really felt this like, uh, thing of where it's like, yeah. Um, cause you know, I have my own struggles, man. I'm trying to feed pigs. I got, and, uh, you know, this is, this is like my one job that I do here and the rest of the day I work on the farm. And
43:50 then I occasionally teach classes and stuff. It's like, oh man, scraping by, but, uh, scraping by in a good way because I feel like, um, you know, at least when the shit hits the fan, I will be able to have what I need. And to me, that's the main thing living for today, surviving living for tomorrow, thriving. Um, so I wanted to get into, uh, cultivating microorganisms. This is my dad. I can go back up here you know this is Medaj we're getting into it right Medaj going through doing this um we went through this whole thing you know he he talks about his dad here yeah
44:31 Master Cho you know it's it's in the KNF legacy um you know um was he in this no he's in this picture that's him little young Sang Cho hanging out on and that's his dad I think that's his dad over there. He was looking good and young. But yeah, so basically, you know, he took his thing, he kind of took his dad's work, which was really like high level good stuff. And he made it easy for the, for, you know, ultra low cost farming is basically what he called his methods. And we went through it, you know, basically, you know, the world has dead soil like this everywhere.
45:13 where we've done commercial ag, and he's just talking about bringing it back to bring this living soil. And I've talked way too much about this. So you can watch past episodes and see that. Sorry, Big Wes. Oh, cool. Oh, sorry, Big Wes. Yeah, man, it's hard. My mom just, oh man, she just had some surgery last week. Cut out her kidney. She's recovering this week, but she's still, still there, still alive, doing good. So, you know, we're getting into the principles of making damn inputs. You know, we went through this. We had, uh, you know, just these happy people doing
45:54 it and growing just so much good green ground cover and all that, right? You want to be as happy as this lady, right? I don't know if she's just smiling extra for the camera, but look at this dude. He's happy too. Everyone they have in here is happy. So we're going to get into the methods today. Cultivating microorganisms. Developed by Han Kyu Cho, right? So this is Master Cho. And developed by Young Song Cho, Jadam. Right? So Young Song Cho took his method and then made it very, like, what do you call it? Low quality. So I'm going to get into it.
46:33 I'm just going to get into it because I'll show you what I believe he didn't understand here. So he said, developed by Yang Song Cho. So here's all these people, and I think they're there with Master Cho. Is that Oma? I don't know. It looks like Oma right there. But it could be any. Does anyone see Master Cho in here? Is he in here? is he in there somewhere I don't see him is he in there no I don't see him maybe he's maybe he's not facing the camera maybe that's Oma is that Oma I don't know anyway any any old Korean lady maybe he's one of these dudes with the hats on
47:16 It's like hiding from the spy satellites. But here you go. And this here, I would say are very, like this one up here, great collection, good collection, not so good collection. Not so good, not so good, not so good, not so good, not so good, not so good. These are okay. These are like maybe B to C grade. This one here is probably an A. This one's like an A minus. This one's like a B to C. These are B to C grades. This one is like a B, C, you know. This one here kind of suggests some like okay in here. But the problem is that these were left out a little too long.
48:00 And this one right here is awesome, okay? So one of the reasons that I think, and then he goes on to this next slide here, and you're looking at this and you're basically seeing this speckled uh fiesta looking rice collection there's some nice wispy stuff there it's starting to turn gray because it's exposed to the air and these wispy things are what you're looking for but this is probably i would probably label this like a c-grade collection so i think what happened is young sang cho never really understood what his dad was doing because when you show a picture like this i would label this
48:36 like C-grade, it's just, you're not getting the, these are not the exact microbes you're looking for. There's way too many anaerobic microbes in here. You're after the forest fungal aerobic microbes. And so I think Young Song never really understood what his father's doing. And when you show a picture like this, I, this, you know, this kind of collection, this is not good. This is not like, you're not like, yes, I got a good collection. You're like, I should probably try again. you should probably try again if you get a collection like this. Like, let me turn my mouse on there.
49:13 I would be like, hey, you know, you should probably try again. There's too much yellow. This is just anaerobic microbes. You're after forest fungal aerobic. Forest fungal aerobic. And this is not. This is bacterial anaerobic. Some good, some bad, but there's more than 50% bad. And I do an 80-20 rule. You got to have 80% really good stuff. 20% this kind of stuff but if you're looking at if I looked at this collection I'd be like you should try again you can use this it'll be okay but you're not going to get the best results
49:46 with this kind of IMO collection or this kind of IMO collection or this kind of IMO collection you're going to be okay it's just not you know you're going to go through all this effort to do this and these are not the IMOs you're looking for however if I bring up brought in my container and it looked like this one up here at the top or this one right here, I'd be like, yeah, 80% good, 20% not so good in there, but 80% of it good, right? This one right here, I'd say B. This one, I'd give a C. This one, I'd probably give a D to, you know? It's just like this one here, I'd be like,
50:21 you know, C plus maybe. I don't know. Like these ones over here, this one right here looks okay, you know like but who knows this looks more like a plastic container i wouldn't trust this person this process right there just looks a little sketch um so you gotta have good imo collection and i think that's one of the things is that um yeah i don't see red so if there's red in there toss it out toss it out i don't see red i'm colorblind so um so it's harder for me to even grade them um yeah and it's not to say that there's not microbes in there there are microbes
50:59 in there. There is IMO in there, but you're after the forest fungal aerobic microbes, like the good ones. That's what you're trying to cultivate. And so that's the whole reason to go to the forest to get the fungal, get the aerobic ones. And it's a very hard process. So you still get microbes and you're still going to do things. And this is where you're headed more in the Jadam route. When you don't know how to collect good IMO, you're headed down the Jadam route. If you know how to collect good IMO, you're doing Master Cho stuff. So he says, hell, just abandon the rice, right? Why go
51:29 through this rice process when you can get these same junk microbes, excuse me, I'm not, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying they're junk. I just, I kind of talked down about Madag because it's just, first off, he didn't understand. It's like, it's like someone insulting a Toyota compared to a Lamborghini or something. It's like, it's not, you know, the insult it's just, they're different. It's just a lower quality of stuff that has different things. But when you want high performance, good stuff, you know, you got to go with the Lexus over the Toyota. Anyway,
51:59 I don't think they make Lexus Tundras, but, um, but he says, screw the rice, just go get the leaf mold. And yeah, I like, if you're going to go this way and you're not going to do good IMO, then go with the leaf mold. You may as well, like going through this step is not going to make you any better on the rice than just going and grabbing this right here. However, if you did it right, it would make a difference, but if you're not going to do it right, then just go with this. right and so this is so much easier and i'm not i'm not hating on it like uh like it's bad and you
52:30 shouldn't do it i'm just saying like there's a better way but if you're not going to do it that better way and you're not going to do it right then you may as well go this cheap cheap way and go this way um so then just go grab a bunch of that leaf mold you see how all this dirt's kind of balled up nice it's from the surface this when he says leaf mold this is what he's talking about he's not talking about the leaves and the mold the mycelia you see growing up there because those are like decomposing microbes. You're looking for the very top soil and they call this leaf mold.
52:59 It's a terrible translation, but when you read the book, it's that surface soil. It's that top inch or so of soil. Um, yeah. And reverence Sils, Sisley Logan in the house. Yeah. He's, he's where it's at. Um, so grab a bunch of that. I don't know why he's putting in a trash bag. I would put it in like a breathable sack if it was me and I was collecting this. But if a trash bag's what you got, I understand. Again, I would put this in a breathable sack. Yeah, Logan. Logan's the man. And then basically this is what he does. He takes the starter leaf mold. He takes a half
53:38 kilo of that. He takes a kilo of boiled potato. And he takes sea salt at a half kilo. And mix that into 132 gallons of water. I think that's 50 liters, right? Something like that. No, no, must be 200 liters. 200 liters is 132 gallons. It's got to be, right? So anyway, here I am. I'm just going to stick with the English units for this. 132 gallons of water. Start with that. just get your water then add in 1.1 pounds of that leaf mold that I just showed then add in 2.2 pounds of boiled potatoes like you're going to eat them like you were like oh you were just about to
54:24 mash them and add the sour cream and the salt just those boiled potatoes like you're going to eat them 2.2 pounds and then sea salt 1.1 pounds and that adds your minerals and your electrolytes and all those things it needs. Then he says, put this in a, um, put this in a container. And then he puts, um, the, uh, potatoes and leaf mold in a sock. And he says rock string and a stick. And for, for, if it's too cold, you need a heater. Um, but when he says the socks and cotton bags and the two rocks and the stick and the string, I omit all that. I just blend the potatoes up in
55:07 a blender, pour that liquid into the water, don't even put it in a bag, and then just take the leaf mold and just scatter it around. I mean, you're already doing this cheap, easy. Why ruin your socks? So he basically mushes this stuff up in socks. Like he takes the potatoes, puts them in a sock, mushes them into the water, puts the leaf mold in another bag, mushes it into the water, and dangles these two socks down. One is contained of potatoes, one's contained of leaf mold. I don't even do this. I just take the potatoes. I blend them, throw them in the water. I take this
55:40 and I just grind it up in my hands, throw it in the water. I don't, why bring socks into this equation? He says it's so, so cheap, so easy. I've, in fact, I've improved on his thing. It just made it easier. Just, just throw the stuff in the water. It doesn't really matter. I don't know why he dangles it in a sock. There's no reason for that. and he says you know do it at 25 c or 77 fahrenheit for 72 hours so your temperature will change the cultivation time but at 77 it's 72 hours i've had this happen for me in about 24
56:13 hours or less in really hot temperatures or the barrel cooked in the sun in a metal barrel um so so initially bubbles are starting to happen around the the sock the potato sock i think they're going um and then the you know it starts to bubble more you see how this round thing it's not near the edges you see how it's bubbling around here i can zoom in a little bit there see how it's bubbling around and the bubbles are starting to form then again here you see this gap between the edge. Foam becomes more vigorous. And then here, it really starts to bubble. And
56:55 the bubbles are also bigger. This is at 50 hours. So he's dangling that in there. You don't even need to dangle it. It'll do the same thing without these socks being dangled in there. Trust me, it works. And then here, the foam becomes even more vigorous at 55 hours. Then notice, again, the bubble rings. If you read my book, I'm trying to illustrate the bubble rings. And you see these bubble rings at 67 hours coming out. The bubbles are then at their peak bubble. And he says it's forming a pizza-like layer. Cultivation is complete. So you want to use it
57:29 right here. You cannot store this. You got to use it right there. Yeah. And Goofman's saying he uses dried potato flakes. You know, it works just perfect. Can you put this in your drip system? I wouldn't recommend it because it's gnarly. It'll corrupt your line unless you're really going to purge it out. I wouldn't put this in a drip system. Other natural farming solutions I would. Here's a close-up of the foam here. Yeah, Logan. Man, Logan's a good guy. So here, and again, this is the very edge of the container. Do you see like here's the edge of the container and here's the thing?
58:15 Because what's happening is you get your water is convection, like it's moving. It's creating convection currents. And as it bubbles, it pulls in like this and it's pulling in from the edge. And that's aerobic. The water is actually cycling itself. The microbes are cycling themselves. And it's aerobic at this point to a degree, right? It's partially anaerobic, but it's mostly aerobic microbes doing this thing. once the disc crumbles and that convection stops and it stops circulating now it goes anaerobic and
58:50 then it starts to smell like zombies so when you're here and you got the edge moving away you know it's aerobic the water's cycling it's good this is when you want to use it once the edge collapses and it becomes starts to crumble indicating the microbes are starting to die this is at 84 hours for him and then the nutrients in the medium have been consumed the microbes die faster. This is at 134 hours. You see it is gross. It's starting to decay. This is now you got anaerobic zombies in there. Putrefaction is starting to happen instead of fermentation,
59:24 like fermentation is happening here versus putrefaction starts to take over. And we covered putrefaction. I don't know how exactly to say it, but we covered it last week. And then the foam disappears, leaving behind it. But and then this, then it decays. So you can't really store this. You have to use it. There's no way to preserve this any economical way. Just, just start it again at the right time to do your next batch. And, um, it becomes instead when this starts to happen, it'll start to stink like death. And this then becomes like a liquid fertilizer
59:56 that he calls it versus here when it's up a slide and it's like this, this is microbes. You're putting workers out there. And so, um, but then once it gets like this at, at, you know, 134 hours, this stinks. It's like dead bodies. And you can put the dead bodies out there. They'll be good fertilizer, but it's dead bodies. So you got to understand you got to use it at the right time to do it. And, you know, here, I guess, what is this? This is a little different temperature. I don't know what he's saying. The lower temperature, oh, the lower the temperature,
1:00:32 the smaller the bubbles will be. This is because low temperature loving microbes are smaller in size. Not sure if that's true. But regardless, yeah. So if you have smaller bubbles, it may be because you're a lower temperature. Yeah. So here you just have that edge, like a lot of foam and then an edge gap. That's the main thing. So in here he's talking about heaters. So I want to go just quick over here to the book where I'm talking about it and show you on my book. It's available at knfsupport.com. So here's my diagram of what I'm talking about. So water, the microbes,
1:01:13 the food, the minerals, and this is the potatoes, the salt, all those things put into the five gallon. So I'm giving you a five gallon recipe instead of a 132 gallon recipe. But the basic idea is that this is a chart. This is start and this is 72 hours over here. Okay. And for me, I shorten this timescale. His was 72 hours. It was perfect for me in Hawaii. It actually happens around 36 to 48 hours where my window is. It's a lot warmer here almost all the time. And what happens is in the beginning, your worker microbes are this upper line here,
1:01:50 this blue line, and they go and they out-compete the fertilizer, the anaerobic microbes, the aerobic ones where there's air in there. They're going to out-compete to get to this peak. this is when you want to use it right and and your time scale will matter will change and so this is the rings down here are forming so no bubbles when you start nothing you know just the starch no smell and then you start to get a sweet smell small rings start to develop as your these microbes are taking off and then these rings when these microbes are at the peak the rings are at the
1:02:21 peak here that's what all this is indicating and then at a certain point they run out of oxygen they run out of food, they start to decline your worker microbes, the microbes that are eating the dead bodies, the putrefaction microbes start to take over, they start to peak, the rings collapse, and as the putrefaction microbes take over, the rings completely disintegrate, and your smell goes from sweet to stinky as these guys become your predominant microbe in there. So you can harvest it over here for fertilizer microbes, right? But if you want your IMOs, your worker
1:02:55 microbes, you have to harvest it here at that peak early. So it's a timing thing. You got to get it right there. Okay. So understanding how these things interact, how they come into each other, timing, your time will vary, right? My, this is for me here in Hawaii, but you could, you could adjust this to be 72 hours here and then put this out at 136 hours over here or whatever his pictures to be that way. I just, I put in my experience of this, right? Cause this is my book. I wrote it and I say ferment within 20, 24 to 40 hours. You're better to harvest it earlier than
1:03:30 later. Um, if you want worker microbes, it's just the way it is. So, um, so anyway, that's how all this corresponds. That's what this graph is showing. I don't know if it's clear to everybody. That's what that was showing, but that's, you know, what I, how I designed this to be like, Hey, this is explaining what's happening. This is basically what's happening. You add these things in a bucket and then use it. And the thing is when you go to use it, you dilute it one to 10 with water. So for me, you know, if you were making 132 gallon batch, you're going to make,
1:04:02 you're going to have to have a thousand gallons of water to do that. Versus for me, if I'm making a five gallon batch here, then I can pour this into a 55 gallon drum, add 50 gallons of water. and now I have it diluted 1 to 10, which is the dilution you're supposed to use almost always. If it's drier, you got to dilute more, but 1 to 10, 1 to 20, somewhere right in there is basically what I do. So for me here, making a five gallon batch, I'm actually making a 50 gallon recipe when I go to use it, right? Because the other book doesn't talk about diluting it
1:04:42 after. If I made 132 gallon batch or a thousand gallons dilution, like, okay, maybe, but a thousand gallons, where the hell am I going to get a thousand gallons? I mean, at least for me, that's like, well, that's a 10th of my water tank to do, you know? Um, so I mean, yeah, a whole water tank. Um, so, so 50 gallons is much more applicable to me. Um, you know, you got to decide on your size, your thing, what you're doing. But the idea is then to drench this out. And I believe you drench this out at about, uh, uh, I think what would it be? It's about a hundred gallons per acre.
1:05:26 I think it's about a hundred guys. Yeah. It's about a hundred gallons per acre. So, so 50 gallons is going to cover a half acre. If you put it out there and that'll get your top quarter inch soaked. You can always soak it and drench it more, do more of that. Um, but that's basically how it is. So, um, and how many times do you apply this? Um, the microbes, you know, if you, if you're starting again, you would want to follow kind of this soil, um, building soil foundation. So you just swap these microbes, the step one of spreading
1:06:00 master chose microbes for an atom each time you do this. So this needs to be done four times in a period of week zero, week one, week two, week three, week four, then you're going to plant and then you're doing this. So if you do two to four weeks before once a week, you would do it. I don't know how clear this is, but because it's kind of emerging master chose stuff with young song chose stuff. But basically the best time to do it is at fall. You scrape all the leaves together, you do it and you let you put the microbes down and let it go all winter,
1:06:31 then do another microbe solution when you start it in the spring again. But otherwise, just do three to four trenches on a garden area before you start, depending on how bad your soil is, and they'll establish themselves. Sorry, I don't have an exact answer for that kind of stuff, but that's basically what it ends up being. yeah so okay so anyway I'll go back I'll just answer a few more questions we're in overtime here man it gets fast when you talk about the Medaj and all this stuff maybe I should start it sooner next time but okay so let's see
1:07:17 here making 5 gallon batch yeah it covers a huge area it does um i wouldn't use in a drip system goofman has a good thing of using dry potato flakes things that are cheap that way easy to keep out in your garden um garden like a viking was my garden guru that started me knowing the names i know before him i was a turf mechanic okay yep um uh yeah you could run it you could run this you can run a really good filter but it's going to grow biofilms in your thing unless you really well purge it out young song choo sprays a lot
1:07:57 of stuff he doesn't really run fertigation if you look at his thing he doesn't really do that much fertigation um and you would definitely need to add the soil into there to make it work just the potato flakes and water are not going to get you there you need the microbes for sure into that um and nathaniel had jms azomite tried to run through his drip system it clogged up his filters and i used the the nozzle yeah yeah azomite's definitely going to clog your stuff unless you really fine filter it run it through a hash bag first um yeah yeah okay so it's like Yeah, he's answering those things.
1:08:40 And then, okay. Yeah, fantastic trick. Okay. Yeah, the flakes you can just leave out in your garden. Awesome. Goofman, you're amazing. That's all I can say, man. Just super innovator, really, man, rock solid. Yeah, there is a difference if you have a potato hot and then you get it cold. It changes the resistance of the starch. so if you're using cold like you've cooked and then you made it cold it changes the resistance of the starch and the starch resistance then changes how fast it's available you can look it
1:09:19 up but basically eating a hot potato is different than eating a cooked and then chilled potato it just is thank you super chats oh my gosh wow cool thanks thanks um wow okay um sweet potatoes yeah And any starch you're going to use is going to change your timing on that. So different starches are going to change how fast the microbes eat the things. So sweet potatoes will be different than regular potatoes, different than breadfruit, different than cassava, different than all these things. So, yeah, using JMS for bed prep makes a lot of sense. Okay, yep, yep, yep. yeah and I really recommend
1:10:07 like you start with this do this before you get into IMOs because the the JADAM microbe solution the MMS, MADADGE microbe solution easy good you can do the DMS the Drake microbe solution which is you don't even put in a sock bro you just put it straight in I'm going to name it after myself DMS how cool am I it's a you know classic arrogance there um every two okay yeah yeah yeah okay cool yeah yeah so reading the chat if you read the chat you're gonna get a bunch of good tips here all these things balancing the nutrient cycle oh thank thanks thanks for the super chat there
1:10:48 eagle appreciate it um yeah trying to help everybody um I don't put an air stone in there uh airstone is a very bad idea for this um jadam microbe solution um you can just it's it's not just don't mix the two just oh hey yes oh christophe man cool hey thanks you guys oh awesome making it make it worth the extra overtime putting it in here i appreciate you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you um yeah keep me keep me from have my stuff repossessed. The one thing, Wormohana busts the myth collecting worms from the bin. Takes half hour to get
1:11:27 her worms out. YouTube, Wormohana. Oh, Wormohana. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's lots of good ways to do worms. I should get into worms one day. Yeah, no aeration for that. Okay. Hey, yeah, cool. Well, thank you. Thank you. I just, I appreciate you guys for tuning in. Thanks for making it good. Go out there, make some JMS this week. Make some DMS, make some DMS. Don't even use a sock, bro. Socks are overrated. Um, and, uh, thanks for doing this. Uh, you know, uh, I'll be back next week. There's more Madag. We are at, uh, let's see here.
1:12:02 We're at, let's see, I'll go back to this. We're at this with electrical heaters. So you can put an electric heater. It's $27, $36. So if it's too cold, we're at, you can put those electrical heaters in. We'll go through this where you're insulating tanks. This will be more applicable if you're doing it in the winter. We'll go through this, the insulation. We're at slide 92, and if you can see this, looks like the thing is only a third of the way down. So we still got more madadge to cover. We'll keep going through it. We'll keep getting into the sticks, into the weeds,
1:12:34 into the ultra low cost natural farming. And big thanks to Master Cho. Bless up to everybody. Bless up to the family. Thanks for being here. Thanks for tuning in. Really appreciate you. I will be me back again next week 8 a.m hawaiian standard time catch it subscribe like um whatever the youtube things to do are you know what they are uh better than me because i am not very good at youtube so anyway appreciate it love you bye see ya i'm out later