Piglet Birth, Mastitis Antibiotics, and Chick Feed Regimen
Short Ribs, a first-time mother pig, gives birth live on camera to eight piglets — seven males and one female. Drake covers why piglets fight for the front teats (more milk, closer to the top), and how calcium phosphate (knfStructure) plus fermented plant juice and whey yogurt support a nursing sow. Pigs carry two placentas, one for each side of the uterus.
On the dairy side, one front udder on the milk cow has mastitis. KNF inputs did not fully clear it, so Drake used antibiotics. He compares hand milking (20 to 30 minutes) to a Turkish milking machine (about two and a half minutes) and notes the back udders give more milk than the front.
Drake is rebuilding a ten-year-old pig pen after IMO contact rotted the wood and ate through the tin. He recommends logs at least five to six feet long — rose apple or coconut husk work well — plus a little soil, biochar, and IMO 4 to build the deep litter floor. He also covers when to apply pig pen compost to crops and Master Cho's 12-by-14-foot breeding pen dimensions.
Master Cho's chick feed regimen closes the show: raw brown rice for the first three days, then grated hard-boiled egg, then finely cut bamboo, tapering to regular feed by day 21 to lengthen the digestive tract.
Questions answered
- 23:47 Why do piglets fight for the front teats? — Front teats sit closer to the top and give more milk, so each piglet claims one teat and keeps it for life.
- 28:38 What KNF input helps a nursing sow keep up her milk supply? — Calcium phosphate (knfStructure) along with fermented plant juice and whey yogurt supports milk production.
- 33:23 Can KNF methods alone clear mastitis in a dairy cow? — Drake tried KNF inputs first but had to fall back on antibiotics to get the infected udder under control.
- 37:27 Is hand milking or a milk machine better for the cow? — The machine pulls the milk in about two and a half minutes versus 20 to 30 minutes by hand, with less stress on the cow.
- 37:59 Do pigs have one placenta or two? — Pigs have two placentas, one for each side of a two-chambered uterus.
- 38:26 Can you make LAB from pig milk? — Not really — pigs only drop milk in short, frequent bursts, so there is never enough to collect at once.
- 45:34 What wood works best for an IMO deep litter pig pen floor? — Use logs at least five to six feet long, such as rose apple or coconut husk, since short logs are easy for pigs to dig up.
- 47:17 When should you apply IMO pig pen manure to crops? — Top-dress it after plants finish their first changeover, heading into the reproductive stage, or mix it into raised beds from the start.
- 49:34 How big should a breeding pig pen be? — Master Cho recommends about 12 by 14 feet, roomy enough that the sow will not crush her piglets, unlike a farrowing crate.
- 50:47 How many of the 8 piglets were male and how many were female? — Seven males and one female, more males than Drake expected.
- 51:59 Can spent brewery grain go into an IMO 3 pile? — Yes, but amend it with carbohydrates like mashed potato, since brewing strips out the sugars.
- 56:49 What is Master Cho's feed regimen for new chicks? — Raw brown rice only for 3 days, then grated hard-boiled egg, then tiny cut bamboo, then regular feed, tapering off by day 21.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Countdown and Welcome
- 6:15 My Pigs Had Pigs Last Night
- 9:34 I Ching Reading: Conflict
- 15:27 Short Ribs' Birth & Family Piggery History
- 21:41 Guessing the Piglet Ratio
- 23:47 Piglets Jockey for the Front Teats
- 28:38 Calcium Phosphate Boosts Milk Production
- 32:35 Larger Udders Give More Milk
- 33:23 Antibiotics for Dairy Cow Mastitis
- 37:27 Hand Milking vs Milk Machine
- 37:59 Pigs Have Two Placentas
- 38:26 Can You Make LAB From Pig Milk?
- 41:32 Pig Pen Maintenance After 10 Years
- 45:34 Best Wood for an IMO Deep Litter System
- 47:17 Applying IMO Pig Pen Manure to Crops
- 49:34 Master Cho's Breeding Pen Dimensions
- 50:47 Piglet Ratio Revealed: 7 Males, 1 Female
- 51:59 Spent Brewery Grain in an IMO 3 Pile
- 56:49 Master Cho's Chick Feeding Regimen
- 1:04:33 Thanks and Sign Off
Transcript
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1:00 so so so
2:10 so so
5:40 Hey, oh, I think you guys can hear me, but I had a little bit of technical difficulties here on getting my audio, or my video up. So hang on one sec, let me see. But what I can do in the interim is, hang on, let me go over here to this and just transition. So my pig had pigs last night. So while I fix this, let's see. I think this is the recording. Because I had it live streamed, but it dropped.
6:27 But according to this somewhere, I'm going to put the playback speed a little bit faster. Let's see. playback speed faster. And let's see, I think she's going to give birth in this little thing here. So while I work on my camera, hopefully I don't disconnect anything else. You guys can check this out. So we'll see. Pig's coming out here. This was recorded locally on my computer. Let's see here. Is it going? She's going to start giving birth here any moment. So anyway, Anyway, check that out while I fix this.
7:34 I'm going to go. so
8:29 Okay, cool, I'm back with the video and she didn't get birth yet, come on. It was just like yesterday, right? Everyone's like, the suspense, the action, I'm playing at double speed, let's see, come on, where's those pigs? Where are they? yeah no thanks thanks for tons of folks tuning in yesterday to watch live I you know I thought it was going to happen during the day but um but you know oh there oh oh look oh okay that was yeah are they gonna pop out of there come on short ribs but um yeah
9:20 Okay, well, hang on, I'll pause that. Let's go back over here. And so, yeah, so let's see here. Let's start properly. I get so excited with these baby pigs, I tell you. And yeah, she kind of April fools this yesterday. Like all day, I thought she was going to get birth, but it happened last night. So hang on, let's start with some ching here. Oh, today's conflict. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because the camera wasn't working and these other things and all that, but you guys can still hear me, right? I hope. So again,
10:06 we got this a couple days ago. It wasn't the best show for me, but we'll see. Hopefully this one is better and hopefully for some reason this has just come in but it says conflict um the proper response to conflict whether it lies within us or without us is disengagement hey i'll say it um whenever we allow ourselves to be drawn off balance away from the quiet strength of quiet integrity we're in conflict It matters not whether the confrontation is between competing values in one's own mind or with another person.
10:54 It's the inner departure from clarity and equanimity that leaves us with feelings of despair and vulnerability. The only remedy is to disengage from the problem and return to quiet contemplation of what is correct. Conflict provokes strong feelings of doubt, fear, anxiety, and impatience to resolve the situation. If you act under the influence of these inferior emotions, you will severely complicate the misfortune. By following the prescription of the sage and returning to a position of neutrality, acceptance, and detachment, you are able to meet opposing forces halfway.
11:39 Not recoiling in anger and condemnation and not pressing forward to some unnatural change in things, but waiting calmly in the center for the higher power to provide the correct solution. The I Ching teaches us that all conflict in the end is inner conflict. When you see a beginning, you're obliged not to pursue it. For this only compounds your own misfortune. If you cannot regain your equanimity on your own, then seek the assistance of a just and impartial person in resolving the difficulty. The only way to live free of conflict is to hold steadfastly to proper principles in all things.
12:25 Through balance, patience, and devotion to inner truth, we rise above every challenge. of, um, I was live streaming my pigs here. Um, and, um, you know, and, and what was different for me was yesterday I got to, um, sit and like chat with you guys, which is not something I always get to do, right? Because I'm always, I always, um, you know, run this thing and do this.
13:12 And you guys are such a great, vibrant community out there. And but then, you know, I end up like facilitating this as like a, you know, well, a facilitator, right? But I don't get to like engage in the chat. And it was so nice yesterday, you know, because a bunch of bunch of you guys tuned in. And it was so cool to, you know, talk story in the chat and just like really relate. Because sometimes it's like, here I talk and then it's like some chat comes in and then it's like, oh, and all this other stuff that I don't get to engage with the community in the same way, you know.
13:52 And so I really enjoyed yesterday because it wasn't, you know, it wasn't about me. It was just about natural farming, which, you know, I would say every episode's about that. But then sometimes, you know, it's about me because I'm helping to facilitate it. Um, but really, um, and just great comments from, from folks that were, you know, uh, out and about and I'm going to fast forward this a little bit here. Okay. That looks like the first pig coming out. Maybe is it the pigs kind of came out in this corner. I should have tilted the camera down yesterday. I did tilt it down.
14:27 Um, but yeah, and, and, you know, George was there and he, he says he got his first IMO 2 collection. Had to make it indoors because it's 59 degrees north. Yeah, man. Awesome. Really, really good. Good way to do it. Do it indoors. Yeah, you join the club, Cecily says, man. Like, yeah, nothing's better than having the getting good IMO and feeling good about it. let's see. This is again today watching it come out again. It's just like yesterday. It's just like, when's it going to happen? Come on. But you got to disengage from the conflict. It looks like
15:10 a little pig came out there. I'm going to fast forward a little bit more here. Oh, she rolled over. Okay. And then, you know, I mean, yesterday, so yesterday's stream was all, She's getting her nest better, a little bit better. Yes, oh, oh, there is a little piggy. There is one. Oh, oh, oh. There's two. Oh, she's popping them out of a camera. Oh, look at these little, oh. These little guys. Oh, I also got this too, so I can, you can see my mouse maybe a little better. I don't know, I got that thing around it now. But the little pigs are popping out. Oh my gosh.
15:55 Um, so anyway, I'm, I'm glad that I was able to, um, you know, live stream this and what, what a, what an event for us, you know, my, my family, um, you know, I used to have a boar and a sow, two sows and, um, they would, um, you know, I got a, I got a, I got a, yeah, let me slow it down. I got a bunch of litters of pigs from them. Um, but then I ran into some troubles of just, you know, the family, our priorities, everything we're doing. And we ended up having to sell, um, my boar. And then I think we ate one of the sows and then, um,
16:43 and we were actually sold the boar and the sow together, one of them. And then we ate the other sow. And then I had, um, you know, and so then for me to get back to having a, and then we kept it, one of their children. Oh no, she laid down on him. Oh no. Oh mama. Well, okay. But they're, they're okay now. Trust me. They, they've lived through all this. Um, and we have eight new baby pigs, but we, we ended up having to sell them just cause, you know, feeding pigs is not a, not an easy task. It's really, it's really pretty hard.
17:17 Um, it's a lot of work. Oh, she stepped. Oh, she stepped right on that one's head. That's okay. The pigs are tough and pigs are really tough. Um, she's looking at them. She's like, what did I just do? She has no idea this. She was a guilt, right? So this is her first litter ever. She's turning around. So she's not going to step on them anymore. Smart mama, smart mama. Um, Oh, little baby pigs, brand new to the world. Oh my gosh. Um, so anyway, and then, and then I got this boar over here, Papa Lalo, who's, who's the father of these pigs. But it took me, um, you know,
17:52 it took me a year of raising him until he was big enough to try to mate. And then I tried to mate him to, um, baby bacon. Who's in the pen. I have four pens. She's in the pen on this side, like, like across him and, uh, kitty corner to her. And she just would not mate. She would not lock up. she would, you know, and she was just the most prude of like, you know, it's like, come on, this is what you're supposed to do. This is why we're feeding you is to make more pigs to raise more family. Oh, look, Papa, he's so concerned. Um, Oh, another one came out. Oh my gosh. There's
18:26 three. Oh, Oh, look, they're coming out the back. Oh my gosh. Oh, look at that one. He's just get, oh, he's out. He's, oh yeah. And so for, for years, um, you know, I've been just, you know,
18:42 And then, and I thought, oh, okay. So I tried to meet them like, you know, like five, six times. And, and she was just baby bacon was just not having it. You know, I'd try to put her over there and I'd move them into the cage when she's in heat and she would not lock up. She'd just lay down and she wouldn't let him mate. And then, so then I had to raise, so then I got short ribs, um, like a year ago. I don't know. I should look at my calendar for when I got her. but so then I got her and then, you know, then she's too small and too mature. Right. So then
19:14 I raised her up and then she had a few heats and then I felt confident that she was like big enough, even though she's a smaller pig, I felt like, well, you know, let's just go for it. And he then dug a hole through the center, actually right here, right where she's laying. She dug a hole through. He knew she was in heat and he was ready. Um, and apparently she was ready because she did lock up for them. And I do have a picture of them in the act, which is kind of funny because you know, when they, when they're in heat, they, they go ahead a fair amount of times. It's not
19:47 just once. Um, Oh my gosh, there's another one coming out. I could see it. Oh, Oh, push it out. Come on. I know what happens. I mean, everybody's spoiler alert. Oh, they came out though. Oh my gosh. And look how they come out and they move right away. And these suckers are already ready. they're already trying to nurse. Look at these pigs. They're not even 10 minutes old. It's already nursing. Oh my gosh. Um, and so, so yeah, so now, I mean, with all this, it was like, it was like three, four years, four years of like feeding pigs, managing pigs, trying to get these pigs up
20:23 to size and trying to get them to mate. And now I got my first successful pig litter. And, you know, after just years of working and feeding and like, you know, the hundreds of dollars and maybe thousands of dollars of feed, you know, and gas and everything. Cause I go pick up 800 pounds of papaya, not even now pick up 400 pounds by, Oh, there's another one. Oh my gosh. These little guys are so amazing. Um, and so I'm just so happy and proud to have pigs. And finally, like my whole family went up there this morning to go look at the baby pigs and my parents have new
21:04 iPhones. So they got some really nice photos and I didn't, I, did I take any photos? I took a video. I know I did. Um, but, but, um, you know, of, of the pigs here, it just, oh, I can, like, these are the pinnacle of natural farming. Like, like literally like, you know, um, if you're a natural farmer. Oh my gosh. Another one coming out. Oh my gosh. And there's eight of them. There's eight. So, um, so whoever bet eight you win. Um, it's actually my sister. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this was her first litter. She, she, uh, she could, I think maybe her next litter will be
21:43 bigger. And, um, any guesses, I'll just, I'll, you know, throw this in the chat right now. Any guesses, how many, how many males, how many females out of those eight? So how many, how just better yet how many of them do you think were female put in the chat and let's see what who's who's going to be the lucky lucky winner here no i don't think there's a prize but um but actually the prize is i will name one of the pigs of your you're choosing as long as it's a pork product as long as it's pork products seven okay so put put um the amount of males you think
22:19 it was and um but um yeah so so having having this many pigs you know eight pigs come out oh you guys said i said it in the last video i was like how did you guys win you guys were watching the other live stream me okay okay okay okay well if you didn't watch the video if you didn't watch it then then do it i said in the last video it's true i went up there i lifted them all up to look you guys oh man okay so i yeah look at all those is there is there eight of them yet there's one
23:07 two, three, four, five, six, five, home out so far. Oh, there might be another one under her. No, it's her leg. Um, but yeah, yeah. So if you're watching the other video, you know the answer. It's, it's always, you know, um, so, and just, just so you know, my first litter of pigs ever I got, I had, I had five pigs and I had five males and I was looking at them like, which one are the females? Like, how do you tell the difference? They were all males. I didn't have a single female. So I couldn't tell the difference, but it's real obvious when you have a male and a
23:40 female and you look at the back, you're like, Oh yeah, that's a female. It's a male, right? But, um, Oh, look, they're already trying to nurse. They're already fighting for the front. So, so, um, so just so you know that the pigs here, um, the front nipple, the front couple nipples, the closer they are to the top of the pig, the more milk they create. So the pigs are jockeying for the front nipples. And that's like their, their thing. Like they don't want to nurse on the back, right? And all these open nipples on the back, they don't want those. And, and,
24:13 and the thing is once the pig gets its nipple, it, it basically has that nipple for the rest of its, its upbringing. It always gets the same one. It's always able to knock the other pigs off and it always has the same one. So right now they're, they're, um, they're all jockeying to get that front nipple. And that's what they're doing. That's why they're kind of right up there in the front and she's kicking one of them off. Um, but that's, that's, um, and, and so, so usually what you do as a farmer is you can get in there and you can take the run to, Oh, another one came
24:48 out. Oh my gosh. And then one came out. Oh my gosh. Look at that shiny little pig. Um, and so as a farmer, what you can do is you can take the runty ones and in the first day or two, you can, you can go in there when they nurse and you can knock the big one off the front and put the small one on the front nipple. And if you do that for a couple, a teat, I don't know what's the correct word, nipple, teat, I don't know. I don't want to be using the wrong words here, but you put them on the front and then they will size better and faster and your bigger pig will get the normal
25:20 amount. And that way you'll have more even sizing of pigs and you don't get one big like bully pig. you get all the pigs more balanced to each other and the runts get more nutrition that way. They become bigger, uh, awesome, awesomer pigs. And the, the little ones come back at tip tips. You know, um, you get to talk about all these things, I guess, when it comes down to animals, but isn't this cool? I'm glad I got it recorded. Did anyone, did anyone catch it live? I'm not sure because I woke up this morning and my, my parents came over and they're like the internet's out,
25:55 But my dad came into the office and it was live streaming right here on this camera. And he looked and he's like, oh, it's still live streaming. So, but I don't, I don't know if the actual YouTube live stream caught the birth, but my, my, luckily it recorded locally. And, um, and it was, this was actually 84 gigabytes of recording. So I'm going to trim it down a little bit because that was all, you know, big, big thing there. But yeah, like seeing, yeah, and High Witness passed out after a celebratory drink. I tried to stay up as late as I could. I stayed up till about 1030 watching them.
26:34 And then I passed out as well. I was like, you know, I had it set up to record. And I was just like, look, I'll watch it later. But I did want to watch it live. But yeah, celebratory drink. I'll have this vodka from the tap, also known as water. and um oh yeah to to short ribs and and to the prosperity of of the knf farm and to new life and to master cho for showing me this and to mike dupont for you know introducing us to the livestock and yeah look at they're already jockeying for the teats right they've already found their teats
27:19 look at that and that's why the runt gets the back teat because the runt isn't even out yet and these ones have already claimed their teats yeah right they've already claimed it and they're like that's mine and the runt is still in the womb coming out it's not even out yet and these pigs have already been like that one's mine and there's just more milk that comes out of the front it's just it's just the way i don't know it's the way it is maybe it's closer to the heart more energy, more love. I don't know, um, why that happens. You know, I think, I think, I don't
27:52 think that's the case in women. I think, I don't know, maybe tell me, I think most equal milk comes out of both teats. Women, women only have two usually. I'm pretty sure at least every woman I've met, um, or less, right. Cause sometimes people have mastectomies and those things and, um, that's unfortunate, but, um, you know, but yeah, like I'm pretty sure even milk comes out. I don't know. Maybe one, maybe one gives more than the other. I don't know. Um, but I do know that these, you know, and, and the women it's right next to their heart again, like, so the
28:25 most milk coming out right by their heart, right? You know, so maybe there's something to that. Maybe there's more love. Maybe there's more blood. I don't know. Um, you know, what, what, what makes the magic of the milk happen? Um, but other, other pro tip we have here is that, um, So if you watched yesterday's live stream and you saw me feed them, I've been feeding her yogurt because we've had this milk cow and we've been fermenting the extra milk that we can't deal with into yogurt. And we've been feeding it to Shorty so that she has enough nutrition.
29:00 and I told Suze the other day, hey, why don't you put some calcium phosphate, some structure in there because that helps her milk production. It helps her in this reproduction, right? It helps her in this, you know, she needs this extra structure and the calcium phosphate is the number one thing to help increase milk production. So as she continues to nurse and milk, we'll continue to supplement her diet with some fermented plant juice yeah whey yogurt on the lactobacillus is right to help keep down disease oh look that pig this this wet pig that just came
29:43 out he gets a back teat come on man move up front man move up front and then this this pig up here is confused he's trying to nurse on her neck he's a vampire it's like bro you gotta go back a little bit for the teats but um but these were the first ones that came out you can see by there they're drying off. They're not even shiny anymore. So they're, they're getting, they know what's up, but right away they nurse. It's just like, Oh my gosh, what a, like the only thing I could say is women and females that are in this are hardcore. Not only did you just give birth and like
30:17 crank all this out. Like, I don't know if it's painful. I, you know, who knows? I imagine it is. And then right away they're like, not only did they just like give birth and like lose all these nutrients be a new child. Now they're losing nutrients right out of their teats. You know, like, it's like, Oh my gosh, I'm sorry, ladies. I mean, it's like, it's the miracle of life. And it's like, what a, what an honor to be a woman to be able to give birth and propagate life. But it's like, talk about just like hardcore on their bodies and just everything. It's just,
30:53 what a miracle what a you know shout out to all the ladies all the women that are um you know that are able to give birth and bring new life in and and all those women that you know if you can't that you you mentor and you you give that motherly love out because man that's it's just like i you know i'm glad this this this lifetime i'm i'm a man and my job's a little bit easier it's just uh put it in, pull it out, and then make sure my woman has the most amazing and supporting her and holding her through this whole process. Just like these pigs, you know, working my butt off to
31:35 make sure they got nutrition, working my butt off to make sure, you know, they got everything they need to be prosperous and the right nutrition at the right time. And, you know, I fed short ribs this morning. I fed her a little bit extra feed there just to make sure she's in top form and doing her stuff. Cause man, what a miracle. What a miracle seeing, seeing these little pigs, this guy in the front, man, he's, he's confused. It's like, you're missing out, man. He just wants to give his mom hugs and kisses. These
32:15 legs are blocking him. He can't figure out how to get around those. Dude, come on, man. Come on. All his other breasts. And even this one that came out just recently is getting more milk than him. It's like, oh, man, come on. But, yeah, it's good to see these guys. Okay, and Cheryl says, Cheryl would know. She's had children. She said that generally women have one slightly larger breast, and the larger breast gave more milk. Okay, so even in human women, if you have a yeah apparently one one may be larger than the other and same same with our
32:56 cow actually is actually the back two udders give more milk at the present and one of the front udders had mastitis so we've been dealing with that treating that um and that udder gives next to no milk now so i think it might have been damaged or i don't know man mastitis oh what a what a bummer it's like you're trying to give milk and then get get infection in your teat and it's like oh my gosh um and actually and i did have to resort to antibiotics because we tried to get it under control with some korean natural farming stuff
33:29 and we're feeding and supplementing her uh but it just it was just you know never don't ever underestimate the power of antibiotics and those things in western medicine it can always come in there. So, um, um, so, but yeah, so her teat in the front now doesn't give as much milk and her front teats way less milk, you know, um, and her back teats like about twice as much. So I'm not sure, you know, it's my first cow. Oh my gosh. She's kicking them. Welcome to the real world pigs. She's kicking them off. She's like, please, it hurts.
34:06 I'm done. I'm not even nursing. I'm trying to still give birth, kicking them off there. oh my gosh it's like guys guys take it easy um but but yeah so so it's only my first cow i'm not sure we only get about two and a half or two gallons or actually a gallon and a half of milk right now and our our cow has been in milk since august um and so we have her and we're milking her but I'm really a noob when it comes to milking cows. I'm just getting into that. So, but the dairy has been amazing. Having your own fresh raw dairy, I highly recommend it. If
34:49 you can afford a cow, milk cow and a milk machine, or if you want to hand milk it, that's fine too. But I highly recommend you get a cow and pigs and chickens, and then you turn your KNF farm into the amazing thing because the best part about this is like this floor, even though she poops and stuff in here, I don't have to clean it. I don't have to worry about disease. I can just roll around in here with all these baby pigs and I can make pig pyramids and stack them up and hang out with them and pet them all. It's going to be so amazing. Um, and we do hand milk
35:23 once in a while. Um, I do, I'm not very good at it. My wife's a lot better. Um, but I just got a milking machine from, um, midi supply. So if you're looking for a good reputable place, midi supply, tell them I sent you. Cause eventually I'll need replacement parts and maybe I'll get discount. Who knows? Or don't tell them either way, whatever. It's a reputable, good, um, good company. They bring in the milk machines from Turkey. Um, okay. That, that pig that was confused, I think found its way, but are they all out? I don't know. We got to wait for the postpartum to come out.
35:59 heard. And apparently this is something I learned today that my mom knew is they have two placentas, which makes sense because there's actually two chambers. There's one on one side and one on the other side. I think there's two uterus. I don't know, but apparently there's two chambers and it would make sense that they would have a uterus for each, or not a uterus, but a placenta for each chamber. So I don't know. I was reading about it and said the horns that you can reach in there and apparently it goes up to your shoulder, which it does when you're artificially inseminating.
36:31 It's like the tube is like really long. It's like two, three feet long and you twist it in there and you twist it, lock it in and then let, let this, you know, the semen get sucked up in there. Um, but apparently if you have problems, you can, you can lube your hand and reach in there and you reach and feel for the horns, which I think are the two things in the two placentas. I don't know. I'm learning a lot about, you know, um, the miracles of life and how all this works. Look at them pigs just nursing away, man. They don't waste any time. They just go for it.
37:04 Um, and so, yeah, so luckily she had birthed without us last night. We didn't have to help, you know, cause I'm not really looking forward to lubing my hand up and reaching it up there. not, you know, that's, you know, unless I needed to in a complete emergency. Um, no, no. Um, and goofman is asking him for hand milking. Yeah. So it's sort of sometimes with the machine, the molasty machine from Turkey, man. It's awesome because something else I've learned about milking the cows is that if you can do it in the first six minutes,
37:41 you're going to get way more milk it's less stress on the cow and when we hand milk it takes us 20 minutes half hour to get the milk out and the milk doesn't drop as fast you know in in the baby cow is like voracious how it sucks out the milk and so is this machine works with a vacuum pump and and just sucks the milk out and that takes about two and a half minutes for for our amount of milk and it's done. And it's like, it's so much better on the cow. She doesn't have to stay in the stanchion for a half hour. It's like, it's just one and done and, and, um, all the way through.
38:17 So, um, and, um, so yeah, that's, that's great. And, um, Willie's asking if there's enough for LAB from pig milk. Pigs are not, you don't hear about pig milk. You hear about goat milk, sheep milk, cow milk. You don't hear about pig milk because the way the pig works is it only drops milk very, uh, a little bit, but very frequently. And so I've raised pigs before, so I know this, but the pig, the mama pig will walk around and all of a sudden she'll lay down and start grunting. And that's a sign for all the little baby pigs to run over there and grab the,
39:06 um, grab the milk and she'll grunt and they'll, they'll all come over and they'll all start nursing and, um, they just go for it. You see her trying to kick them off. It's cause she's, she's not always full of milk. It's not like a cow where you can just kind of milk whenever it, It only drops a very brief amount of time, like a minute or two, and then it's done. And then she waits about 15, 20 minutes, and then she'll drop another minute or two of milk real quickly. And so it's really hard to milk a pig because she only drops milk for that little bit of time.
39:45 So you'd have to be there and you'd have to milk all, you know, 12 of her teats all at once for only like two minutes. and every, and you'd only get a little bit. And then 15 minutes later, you'd have to milk it all for 20 minutes, you know, or for two minutes. And then it's, it's over. Right. And so it's very hard to get pig milk. The pigs are very good at getting the milk because they're designed for it. Their little soft noses and their cute little faces, and they just go up there and they suck it all out. Oh, they're, they're so, they're so good at it. But, um, but for humans to milk
40:19 them it's it's really hard you know you can get horse milk cow milk all those other animals put out much more but the pigs is very little bit of milk um very frequently so that's that's why you don't see pig milk in the store or anything and people don't keep pigs because they'd be you'd have to be there all day getting the milk and at the end of the day i don't know i bet you it's delicious though look at these little pigs eating all that they love it they're oh they're designed to eat it right too. Um, but yeah, so getting the pig milk, I don't, I don't think it'd be possible
40:50 to get enough to make LAB unless you were very diligent and, um, you know, so anyway, is that postpartum coming out? I don't know. Is there eight pigs there? One, two, three, the thing keeps coming over when I hover over it. I see, I only see six or seven there. Looks like, and that's the other thing about the pigs. One, two, three. I only see six. That's the thing is like the pigs can take, you know, 15, 20 minutes between pigs coming out. um what's my knf maintenance of the pen it's kind of set it and forget it um
41:39 interesting thing to talk about today since i'm kind of just on this thing of pigs here and sharing is that we also um i'm also in the process we're repairing repairing my other pig pen. So let me see here. Let me flip this camera. And I'll just put it on this. You can, I don't know. You know, I'll wait. I'll wait till the pigs are out of here or, and or we, we lose interest, whichever comes first. How can you lose interest on baby pigs coming out? I don't know. Maybe it's an impossibility. Hopefully she's not laying on the other two pigs.
42:25 If she was, they still lived. Like I said, they're tough. And they also go. But, and I'll show you pictures because we're repairing the pig pen. So it's kind of interesting to see. I basically, on this pen, just across her, that side, we remove this back wall. Because this side gets rained on a whole lot. and um the the the wood rotted out and the tin busted apart like i don't know why it's glitching um but you can see this one's damaged too to a degree although we we did wedge another piece of wood in there to kind of um keep it from breaking but this this pig pen's 10 years old
43:10 I built this thing in 2012. So, you know, and so, you know, it's all you can ask of the materials. They're basically rotting from the IMOs that ate the tin away. They finally ate the metal of, you know, that contact of the IMOs to the metal, because I just use metal roofing on the edges on the bottom to hold it in. And it basically, you know, pigs, they lean against it, and they've broken it. And so that other wall needed to be repaired. And actually, I tried to put Papa over there and he immediately broke through the wall and then was just ravaging
43:44 my gardens out here and all the bananas and everything. So I got him back, put him back in the same pen and he's made a bunch of holes over there. So basically I need to go through and replace all the metal, even this side, the whole, my whole pig pen needs to be replaced, which is like, not really looking forward to that, but, um, but it's lasted me 10 years, which is pretty awesome. and I'll just I just have to you know rebuild these back walls which is not a all the metal and all the rest of it is fine um but the you know they this lower part it's about three to
44:16 four feet of holding in the flooring and since they've broken this wall basically these logs that you see used to be underneath they finally dug these up which I shouldn't put the mouse over because you can't see the pigs. Um, but we've, um, so, but, but the interesting thing is all those logs are pretty much gone at this point. So I can show you some pictures of, um, of what's going on, um, there, but, but largely maintenance, there's none. I mean, this is the first time in 10 years that I'm having to like dig out the wall and replace the wall. There's, there's,
44:56 you know, it's really, um, it's really no, um, no maintenance. I, I occasionally have to refill with wood chips. Um, but I largely, you know, it's every six to eight months and it's only, you know, it's if I want to harvest out some of the material, which this material is epic by the way. Um, but largely I don't, um, and that's, that's one of the beauties in this is it's so maintenance free. There's no water and I'll have to spray it down. You know, I water them to drink, right? But I don't have to use any water to like shoot out manure or anything.
45:34 And what kind of wood did I use? For the, for the bottom, the, the bottom wood, I used rose apple, which is a tree that was kind of dying out around here. And I cut all those down and, And then whatever trees I had around, I just cut them up. And it's important that you make them about six feet in length, you know, five, six feet in length. Because these shorter logs, if you look, all the logs that got dug up are shorter. The longer you make the log, the harder it is for the pig to dig up. So making them as long as possible is best.
46:11 and um but whatever wood you got around and then the wood chips whatever you got for those um they work well um you know i've used banana stock but the pigs eat the banana stock so it's not really that's um you know long-term coconut husk works really well if you got that around you i don't know if they grow coconuts in florida probably do um but whatever whatever wood you got. And the key is if your wood in the top is the wood chips are not breaking down fast enough and there's too much space in between, you got to add a little soil to this. A little bit of
46:48 soil and that'll help to create the connection between the wood chips so the fungus and my mycelia can go and properly build a good floor. So a little bit of soil into there but not much and I recommend, you know, throw in some biochar and then inoculate it with IMO 4 and pour, you know, maintenance solution on it once or twice and you're good to go. So, and where do I apply this compost out of the pens? Right now we're putting them in the food tacos. So raised garden beds is what we're putting it in, but it'd be a great top dressing as a
47:28 compost IMO. You don't want to put the IMO, like this, this type of IMO on your plants when they're first emerging. But after your plants are growing in the later stage of life, like after they're, they're, they've had their first changeover period, then you dress with this material. And as it's going into the changeover period, you dress with this. And then it really powers them up for, for going into the reproductive period, um, and powers your plants up to go through in the, in the case of the raised garden beds, we're putting it in, in the beginning,
48:02 but it's a little bit different than trying to top dress on the soil. Um, and let's see, I close out windows a little bit cold. Um, and by cold, I mean, it's 85. No, It's like 70. And in this system, it's plenty fungal. Like if I take this pig pen material and I put it under the microscope, it's some of the most fungal, beautiful, thick strands. Also a lot of nematodes, which are good, not the bad nematodes. And protozoas. this is actually one of the best ways to make an IMO pile is to use the animals.
48:50 The material they generate is just beyond belief good. But it's, you know, it's hard to raising pigs is, you know, it's no joke. It's hard. It's not the easiest thing to do. yeah and eyewitnesses looking for instructions for the chicken brood box it is in some of master chose literature of how the dimensions and then you can also watch the chicken series we build all those things and do them all and you can see us go through with tape measures to measure everything out so um and build in the pen. This, this pen here, this is the mama breeding pen and it's a 12 by 14.
49:39 Um, this, this wall over here is 14 feet and this wall here is, is, uh, four or 12 feet, 12 feet by 14 feet. And, um, it's about what master Cho recommends. And the reason for the, Some people put these pigs in a farrowing crate, which is like a cage that they cage them up in. And I think that's crazy. This is how Master Cho does it. It gives them this big thing. And if you make your pen smaller than this, the odds of the mama stepping and crushing the babies is much higher. Versus, I bet you here I'm going to have all eight pigs.
50:17 And I'll raise them all up to weaning size and beyond because of the way the pen's designed. And she's so relaxed. And if you watch the live stream this morning, I was in there petting her and she's so, and then when I did pick up the little pigs and they started to squeal, she was grunting at me like, you put those back. And she's very concerned. So she's going to be a great mama, which is awesome. She's already defensive, very responsive to her pigs. That's what you want. Sometimes the moms don't like the pigs and they don't want anything to do with them.
50:47 Oh, and the answer, the answer earlier is there were seven males, one female, one female, which is lucky because I only wanted one female to keep. So I'm definitely keeping her. Um, her name's been suggested as Gigi, the golden girl, cause she's golden. Um, but we'll see, we'll see what we ultimately end up naming her. I really want to, um, my dad suggested it. Oh, yeah. We got to figure it out and get it good. Um, but yeah, the answer was seven. So I think you guys, I probably should have said that earlier. I got distracted, but we had seven males.
51:20 what are the odds right really not that great there should have been four and four right but no we got seven males so i'm gonna have a lot of castrating to do um unless people don't want them castrated um yeah yeah and if you rented a mini x yeah we could dig all this out and do that in less than a week for sure i've been just using a shovel but it's it's it's awesome i've been just digging this out and then putting these things in and repairing it. Yeah, there's a little yellow one. That's the golden one. That's the little female. And Rainbow Possum, thinking about using spent
52:01 brewery grains for IMO 3 pile, you will need to amend it with some carbohydrates because the carbohydrates have been taken out of the spent brewery waste. So you will need to amend it Um, with, you know, some mix in some ready to go mashed potatoes or something or whatever carbohydrates you got laying around. Oh, there's another pig coming out. Oh, I'm glad we waited. There's another pig. Did you see that? That thing was just popped right out of there. Welcome to the world, little pig. Hello. Yeah, so the carbs and the sugars are gone from Sprint Brewery Waste.
52:41 oh it's that little stripey one that and that's the it's the it's the doppelganger of her this one this one has the same stripe she has this little doppelganger wow what a diversity that you never know what's going to come out oh he's still attached to his umbilical cord so he's struggling he's still attached though it'll break off though don't worry um oh that little pig welcome um um so yeah you know using those materials they're good um but but amend them back so that they're you know you got the right mix in there um the proteins i think are still there but the
53:20 carbohydrates have been uh consumed that's what made the beer so delicious um yeah it's a he but he had to stay in there to put the stripe in the right place yeah that's hilarious oh yeah yeah the magic of of baking the baking these pigs in there um and then yeah you know the other funny thing here let's see here i can't do it i can't do it live but um they're basically i can see them live on my other screen over here they're basically just sitting there nursing and she's relaxing in the corner but it's it's i'm glad she turned around
54:05 for us so we get to see him pop out that's really a cool cool deal really yeah i've been enjoying this here and watching watching all these pigs pop out there's probably gonna be one more because i I counted six out there. Four, six. Yeah, that was the seventh pig. There's one more to pop out. The question is, should I speed it up? Or is the pig going to pop out within our office hour? You know, today, conflict, disengagement. Maybe I won't force it. I won't rush towards anything and have it rush towards us. We'll just see if the pig pops out. I do have it double speed.
54:48 So that's why all the roosters and chickens in the background sound pretty funny there. But we'll see. Will the pig pop out in time? A little stripey. Oh, but there's this other one over here. Wait, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Yeah, I only see seven so far. That one pig was trying to nurse on the backside. Ain't no nipples over there, man. This other guy's still stuck by his umbilical cord. Looks like these dark colored ones there up in the front, they're getting the good nipples. I'll rearrange them today. Go figure it out. Go spend some time with the pigs.
55:32 I may also continue to live stream the little piglets. We'll see after this. Keep it going. And also, I want to thank Cheryl and Ben Cameron for throwing down Super Chats, helping with the pigs. So I'm going to actually buy a little bit of ice cream and feed it to short ribs because I want to give her a little treat. And I know when you're nursing, my mom was like, when I had you, I ate ice cream every day because that's what I craved. And so, you know, giving these little treats to the pigs and rewarding them for being so good, like, I think we'll do some of that.
56:16 get it you know i don't know if it's like nutritionally good to feed them ice cream but man nothing feels better than eating some ice cream and maybe make little ice cream cones and feed it to the pigs and do a photo shoot huh yeah gotta get up there with the camera today because the pigs are in their cutest thing for the first couple weeks of life they're just so cute and then they get they get more mature in a way of like they become beautiful instead of cute right so we'll see. Um, oh man, to go over the feed regiment for the chickens right now. Uh, so yeah,
56:57 basic. Okay. So if I was going to feed my, my chickens, I'd start them off day zero. Like I just get them from the hatchery with just brown rice and water. Okay. So a mountain of brown rice right in front of your little box where they're going to go into their little thing where their wing, their, their brooder hut, mountain of brown rice. So they think brown rice is super abundant and that mountain of brown rice is kept for the first, um, let's see, 21 days, three weeks. That mountain of brown rice is kept there. Okay. And so anytime it's low, refill it. They always
57:33 have access to brown rice. Now on day three of having your chicks, no, no, no, raw brown rice, raw brown rice the whole idea is that if you put just brown rice they will fill up with brown rice you'll feel their their front and they're just full of brown rice what that's doing is that's stretching their intestines it's not very digestible because it's brown rice and it got the hole on there and but a chicken's used to eating brown rice and it'll eat a ton of it and that'll stretch its intestines out okay so first three days uncooked raw brown rice a pile of it
58:07 first three days that's that and water okay you can make the chick solution which which is like you know maintenance and so i'm not going to get into the watering yet okay just following the food okay first three days just brown rice does that after the first three days now what you do is you take an egg and you hard boil it okay and it depends on how many chickens you have it's about um hey thank you yay super chat thank you yeah isn't this this is exciting i'll put this money towards the pigs and have them little rewards photo shoots maybe get them little bandanas to
58:43 wear um but then after day three you now introduce this hard-boiled egg and you take that hard-boiled egg and like a micro grater and you micro grate that that egg so that what you're doing is you're creating tiny little bits of egg. And I would, it depends, but for every like, like 20, 30 chickens, you have one egg. So, um, and the broilers, the same, same for broilers in this very beginning is very beginning. Yes, yes, this is it. So what you do is you put this egg and it's very fine. You drop that in there. The first day, the chicken, the chicks won't really know what it is
59:22 because you're dropping it in there and they don't really know what it is. um so they're a little bit confused but some of them will start to eat it and some of them will start to cluck okay and they'll notify their friends that hey this is the good stuff the key is after that after the eggs put in there what this does is it gives them the nutrition like the protein everything they need to like it's like mother's milk because chickens don't have teats they're not mammals so this egg provides that strength that nutrition like it's as if it's
59:51 milk. Okay. And then right after that, so like it takes about five minutes of putting in this egg that then you take bamboo, which why bamboo? Because it's sweet and it's very tough. It's hard for them to digest, but it's sweet. And so right after the eggs put in the chicks, the first day, they don't know what's happening, right? So this is a little weird. The first day, the second day, they will frenzy for that egg and they will just frenzy and peck, peck, peck, peck, just like finding the egg and just go nuts. And then you write it before they're done in, they're still
1:00:25 in that frenzy mode right before they're done. That's when you put in the bamboo and the bamboo. Oh my gosh. She's sitting on that pig in the back. Get up, get up shorty. Um, but, but the bamboo goes down. Is that, is that a new pig? Is that a new one that came out? I wasn't paying attention. Um, that might be the last pig. Is it two, four, six. Oh, there's eight. Okay. eight cool we got to see it eight the last one came out that's the brand new pig it just came out okay there's eight of them now yay we got to watch the whole birth um so as that egg's going
1:00:58 down then you drop in the bamboo and that bamboo is cut very small like imagine like a one centimeter by one centimeter or millimeter i don't know very tiny centimeter i think is what it is very very tiny like imagine like like like glitter basically you make glitter out of the bamboo and you just you just roll it and cut it and you can make it very small, but you drop that in there and, and you need like one leaf per check of bamboo. And that's dropped in. And what happens is the chicks then, or I should actually verify that amount of numbers, but it's not very much.
1:01:31 It's like maybe one leaf per check. That seems like a lot. Maybe it's not that much. Maybe it's, um, one leaf per four. I don't know. I'll double check my notes, but the basic gist is you drop a little bit of this in. And what happens is the chicks then start to eat that and they start to associate this as very rare because there's not a lot of this leaf that's put in there. And the chicks start to associate this as very rare. And after they're done frenzying on the bamboo or on the egg, then they eat the bamboo. They think that's rare. They think it's sweet.
1:02:03 It's like a little dessert for them. And then that trains them then to eat leaves. okay oh papa's coming over hey hey papa um so and then after they're done eating the egg and the bamboo and they still have the brown rice there then you start to put their food over there on the side so so it's kind of like you feed them that that egg bamboo and then you put their food in there so their food isn't available early it's like like after you're done with that then you put their daily food there and that's just the adult chicken food that you can just put a small amount
1:02:37 mountain there's a certain feeder for it and then you do this for the next um 11 to 21 days somewhere in that region of 11 to 21 basically by 21 days they're they should be completely off the egg and off the bamboo and onto their food and onto leafs and all those things by day 21 they should be off all that and the key is that you're training your chicks to to lengthen their digestive tract and this is for broilers too you want that long digestive tract so they can digest but the broilers you put way more food than you do for the the laying chicks
1:03:15 laying chicks you kind of starve them out not really but you just limit their food so they don't get too big too fast um but so each day you you put in you know make sure the rice is full throw in a little bit of egg they'll frenzy then right after before they're done frenzying you throw in the bamboo, they'll frenzy for that, they'll eat all that, then you put in their food for the day. And, you know, it's all, I mean, I'd really have to go over this with like notes and things to show you and really be clear on that amount and everything. But that's the general
1:03:45 theory, practice, everything. And then the chicks later, when you feed them grass, they think, oh, this is rare, and they eat a bunch of grass, and they have this strong digestive tract and all these things. So, so anyway, um, just before here, um, so we got to see all the pigs being born. That was pretty awesome. Thank you, shorty, short ribs. She got all our pigs out there. And let's just go back over here and I will, oh, wait, hang on. I'll transition back and I'll make this a little bit bigger for you guys. Cause, um, you really don't need to see me that much.
1:04:21 and here's just a live stream of the pigs right now just over here look at them crawling around doing their thing but I you know now I have seven males one female awesome thanks to Master Cho thanks for the Pure KNF Foundation thanks for this office hour thanks you guys for tuning in hope that was helpful of just, you know, enjoying getting to see this birth with me. That's the first time I watched it. I'm glad my computer recorded it overnight and was able to share all this and bring it, bring it to life. Thank you for the super chats, you guys. Thanks, Goofman. Awesome, man. Yeah,
1:05:05 thank you. It's, it's, it's been fun to connect with you guys. I really enjoyed chatting yesterday and just, you know, hanging out, having a good time. Thanks. Thanks for tuning in. And, you know, I guess she kind of did pull an April fools on us. It wasn't that day. It was that night. She was like, I got you guys. Um, but anyway, yeah, I want to just, yeah, thank you again. Um, I probably will live stream the pigs a bit. Um, just, you know, it's cool throughout the day and, you know, may as well just put it up. I'm probably not going to record it on the computer
1:05:38 and make an 84 gigabyte file again. Cause, Oh, but, um, but yeah, let's see. Um, yeah. Anyway, I'll see you guys next week, if not before, go over a little bit more of the pigs. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, Benny, thanks for all this. Cool. All right, well, I'm kind of blocked by these things. But I'll end this live stream here and the office hours, and then I'll see if I can pick up the other one there. so anyway thank you long live the natural farmer thanks for tuning in love you guys aloha bye now