LAB Troubleshooting, Pruning Fruit Trees, IMO Soil Mix
Ethan asks about a batch of lactic acid bacteria serum he forgot to strain — curds and fats still floating in it. Drake and guest Mark walk through the fix: check the smell, check for anything growing on top, then run it through a fine filter like a t-shirt to pull the clear whey off the curds and fats.
Mark, back from a KNF certification class, and Drake trade notes on the week. They cover charring bones for a structure input — Drake explains why his batch under-charred, since he timed the fire for the barbecue instead of catching it at peak flame — and talk through why mastering the basics, not chasing advanced tricks, is the real skill.
Christoph is mixing soil blocks and asks whether to wet them with seed soak solution plus a bit of LAB — Drake says use what you have on hand. On plant troubleshooting, Drake's checklist is food, cleanser, structure, and medicine before chasing a specific pest or disease.
Pruning questions close the show: dab LAB on fresh cuts, time cuts to a rising or peak tide when you can (the Mahina Moon Calendar app helps), and air layer valuable trees, including a listener's 100-year-old apple tree, to save the genetics. Drake also covers a 40-40-20 coco coir, compost, and aeration soil mix — add 5-10% foundation IMO and water it in — and confirms the second-Tuesday potlucks are still going, with about 80 people at the last one.
Questions answered
- 12:16 LAB batch wasn't strained — did forgetting to strain the curds ruin it? — Check the smell and look for growth on top; if it smells fine and nothing's growing, strain it through a fine cloth like a t-shirt and salvage it.
- 28:30 Why didn't the bones char hot enough for a structure input? — Drake timed the charcoal fire to be perfect for the barbecue instead of catching it at peak flame, so the bones didn't burn down enough.
- 36:58 What should wet a batch of soil blocks — seed soak or LAB? — Use whatever you already have on hand; seed soak solution works well for wetting soil blocks meant for germinating seeds.
- 39:27 A plant has blight or ants — where do you start? — Check the basics first: is it clean, fed, housed, and free of sickness, before chasing the specific pest or disease.
- 47:26 How should you think about pruning 17 newly planted fruit trees? — Dab LAB on fresh cuts, and where you can, time pruning to a rising or peak tide so less sap pulls up through the wound.
- 54:57 Is air layering worth the extra step after pruning? — Yes — it takes four to six months to root, but it gives you a genetic clone of the tree, useful for passing on genetics to others.
- 55:34 Does natural farming actually improve flavor and bag appeal? — That's where KNF shines most — minerals build terpenes, and terpenes drive flavor and aroma.
- 56:20 Will KNF work in a 40-40-20 coco coir, compost, and aeration soil mix? — Yes — mix in about 5 to 10 percent properly made foundation IMO and water it into the blend.
- 58:52 Is there ever a time a plant wouldn't benefit from correct KNF? — Not that Drake can think of, as long as you don't overwater it — feed it three or four times a month and it's fine.
- 59:28 What should be done with a 100-year-old apple tree? — Air layer it right away to save those genetics before they're lost.
- 1:00:48 Are the second-Tuesday potlucks still happening? — Yes — about 80 people came last month, and next time they'll cover the cleanser solution and taste-test a canned batch.
- 1:02:00 Any plans for another certification class in Hilo? — Maybe eventually, but nothing is scheduled — Drake just finished one and isn't rushing into the next.
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In this episode
- 0:00 I Ching Reading
- 12:16 LAB Question: Unstrained Curds
- 28:30 Charring Bones for Structure
- 36:58 Soil Block Mix with Seed Soak and LAB
- 39:27 Basics First: Food, Cleanser, Structure, Medicine
- 47:26 Pruning Fruit Trees
- 54:57 Air Layering to Save Genetics
- 55:34 Flavor, Aroma, and Terpenes
- 56:20 KNF in a Coco Coir Soil Mix
- 1:00:48 Second Tuesday Potlucks
- 1:02:00 Next Certification Class
- 1:03:15 Closing Thoughts and Prayer
Transcript
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2:00 Darkness reappears unexpectedly. Caution and reticence are in order. It is a dangerous hour. Through an eruption of our inferior nature, darkness has interrupted the flow of light. The inferior can be quite seductive, and if we are not resolute in resisting it, the moment can be lost to misfortune. In one's self, this is a time to examine motives. Those which are of questionable honor should be uprooted and discarded. Be wary of situations that engage your ego, tempt you into anger, self-righteousness, or desire.
2:52 Actively employ your higher nature to test the correctness of tempting ideas and circumstances. That which seems to be suspicious almost certainly is. In your conduct with others, practice modesty, independence, and patience with great discipline. Avoid anger and arrogance at all costs. Withdraw whenever you cannot meet another in a balanced and independent way. Neither encourage another to forego his balance, nor indulge him if he does so.
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12:13 Reticence and self-scrutiny are the orders of the day. Reticence and self-scrutiny are the orders of the day. Reticence and self-scrutiny are the orders of the day. Reticence and self-scrutiny are the orders of the day. Reticence and self-scrutiny are the orders of the day. Reticence and self-scrutiny are the orders of the day. Reticence and self-scrutiny are the orders of the day. Reticence and self-scrutiny are the orders of the day. Reticence and self-scrutiny are the orders of the day. Hey, Exyntropic. What's up, Christoph? Good to see you, buddy. Hey, we got a super chat. Thanks, Ethan.
12:28 Hey, so we got a question here from Ethan. Let's see. Hey, I made a batch of lactic acid bacterias, but forgot to strain the curdles out. Is it still good? So, that's an interesting one. You want to take it off, Mark, first and see what we can get? Well, if it's not been strained, you just have your serum and your fat and curds in the top. It's still strainable. What does it smell like, number one? And number two, is there anything growing on it?
13:14 And if there is something growing on it, try again, I would say. And if it doesn't smell pleasant, I would also try again. But short of that, try to salvage it and then see what you got and see what it tastes like. Yeah. And it says, but forgot to strain all the curdles out. Oh. It leads me to believe that somebody was trying to maybe filter some of it and they just did a poor job filtering. Because forgot to get them all out. I don't know how you can forget to get them all out. Yeah. It's kind of an interesting... Yeah. But maybe it's just the way of saying that they didn't get them all out.
13:56 Yeah. That way it would probably be really funky pretty quick. Yeah. Because those fats are going to continue to kind of float and rot. And the lactobacillus is going to preserve and keep the pH low with those. So, what I do... In fact, Art, hey, do you want to grab... We can grab it again. Yeah. We have a LAB. Like, just... It's just... I think it's finished today. I didn't look at it when I walked in the office this morning, but I think it's going. So, um... It smells like curdled milk and nothing growing on it. Just a little milk floating on it. So, this is ours. You see how it split the...
14:35 Kind of a glare. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can see the curds have split down on the bottom and the fats and... Or the curds are floating at the top is what it is. The fats and oils are these curds up here. And the whey is down here. And the whey is what we want. So, this here, what we would do is just run this through. Just try to spin it this way, this direction. So, you can see it's kind of streaky as it's going up. But this bottom is this nice... Clear serum. Yeah, clear serum. Kind of... Yeah. And that's the stuff we need.
15:12 So, to run it through a really fine filter such as a t-shirt even is what I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll sit with the LAB here. And so... Just... And I do that after... You know, before I super saturate it, right? I'm doing that. So, I did... Like, in this step, did you even super saturate it, Ethan? Um... Like, what process did you follow? I'm kind of curious. Um... Like, um... But... You can still filter them out if it doesn't...
15:57 Doesn't feel... If it doesn't... If it doesn't smell too bad. If it's not gross. Acrobacillus, usually the liquid is pretty resilient and fine. As soon as you get that, uh, curds off, they're gonna return back to like a low pH. And then if you've super saturated them, they're just gonna go back to sleep and be at your service when you dilute them. Yeah, one of my takeaways from this class... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that...
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18:53 Thing... So... There's a... A thing of like... The whole idea between... Behind... Master Cho's one is the broad family... Yeah... And I... And I showed here a couple different types of L.A.B. Right... I showed how I made it up at the barn... You remember how I did that? Yeah... Yeah... The... The... Oh... The barn... The barn batch... Yeah... I just took a knife and stuck it in there... You know... Oh... Gotcha... Yeah... You know... For the pigs... Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... So... Just... Just let the... Just let the air to get to the serum... And get to the...
19:31 Get to the milk... Yeah... It's just a much more narrow family than... Than we did down here... Yeah... Down here we did it with the... Um... Uh... Starch water pan... Yeah... Rice wash... Mm-hmm... Did the rice wash... The rice we used for our... Uh... IMO collection... And we did about... 30 hours... Uh... Inoculation... On that... Just sat on the counter... Watched the different stages... Saw the biofilm form on the top... And then... You know... And there was a little tiny bit of it... And then all of a sudden it covered... The whole top of it... And... Same way with the... Uh...
20:09 Same way with the lactose... When it... Started changing... It would... You know... Every hour or so... There was something a little different to look at it... And when it's... Like... In your face... During class... You... Spend all day looking at it... So... It's kind of cool to notice the nuances... Of that... But... I get what you were talking about... If you're... Like your barn... You've been making IMOs there for 10 years... So... It's like... The most... Diverse... Microbiome... On... On the big island... I'm sure... So... Yeah... No... And so... So we've had... You know... Like...
20:48 When we were making a bunch of yogurt in the kitchen... And if I try to collect LAB in there... Just like broad family LAB... It... It turns out kind of yogurt-y... Yeah... Because they dominate... Right? Yeah... Yeah... They're the... The... The most and the biggest... And the healthiest... From... Stuff that continually goes on in that area... Yeah... Got to... See that now... Yeah... Or if... Or if you're like... Fermenting with sauerkrauts... Or you're like making... Wine making... Or beer making... You'll... You'll affect your... Yeah... The ability to collect lactobacillus...
21:21 Because some of those other microbes... Will just be more dominant in your environment... Which is... Which is always kind of an interesting thing... That you wouldn't necessarily think about... Like... You know... What... What microbe is dominant in this room? Yeah... I've never thought... I didn't think about that until this class... And we had those discussions... And it's... It's all brand new stuff... But you know what? At the end of the day... I'm always gonna... Because of this... I'm always gonna have a higher quality... Um... Batch of protectors... That I've made... Because...
21:51 I understand these subtle nuances... That I never considered before... It's the little stuff... Well... So... What... What... Were there any... Uh... Major differences between the class... You took and this one? Do you notice anything? Yeah... The class that I took... Um... It was... We were... Six to eight people... And... It was... That... There was a... There was a lot of energy... Um... When we all got... We've never seen each other... Before we sat down... Around the table up here... And... Uh... But there was a lot of energy...
22:36 And... It... Uh... Compared to... Having... Just two other students... Myself is a third... So there's a class size of three... And... Um... It was... It took... Basically... It... It took a long time... To like... Unpeel the class... To where everybody was... Like... Comfortable... In... A class... You know... The class that I had... Up here in the 20s... In 2020... Um... There was... Just... An amazing group of super talented people... And... I think... With... That amount of people... In the class... It was... Um...
23:22 We... We got... We... It... It just went... A little deeper... I think... Because there's... So many different... Questions coming... Based on... Different people's expertise... Hmm... So... Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... Some more people... More perspectives... To draw different... And experience... Different angles on things... Yeah... Yeah... Okay... Um... I mean... I mean... This... This class... We shredded through... In terms of like... I stayed really... Pretty on point... In... Um... Our lessons... I mean... I thought they were really thorough... I mean... I thought this was...
24:04 One of the more thorough... Courses I taught... Although... I don't know... It was pretty tight... All the way through... You know... And... There's... And like I said... I... Every step of the way... I... Got more information... That I needed... You know... So it's also... Like... I... If you saw me... You know... If you tuned in last week... I was like... Pretty dying last week... And... Basically... I think what happened is... I kind of blew out my brain... Overloading it with too much... Uh... Clod code and... It's a combination of dehydration... Plus stress...
24:42 Trying to get all this together... And just doing so many things... To try and bring it all together... I think it kind of... Like... Blew myself out... Like... Nervous system overload... In combo... With just like... You know... Whatever... Just... Yeah... Just like... Weakness... And just... Ugh... But um... Yeah... So I ended up like... Um... I think... Sunday... I think Sunday I was... Recovering... Just starting to recover... On Sunday... We did the... You did... You did this... And then... And then those first two days... Basically just like... Hung on to your life...
25:15 While I was going through... And trying to... Um... Show up and teach the class... Um... Like... Feeling like death... And then... So that was really challenging... I mean... But then midweek... You know... I kind of felt better... And then kind of... Ugh... Felt like... Uh... No... Felt like that... Interesting... Like... Frustration sort of feeling... Hit me too... So I was trying to get through that... Yeah... Sometimes... Hey... When... When you're coming off a bunch of stuff... And... You know... I... It happens to me... I... I... I'm normally stoic and patient... But... When I get...
25:54 When I get to a point... You can tell... And... It... Unfortunately... It usually only comes out... When I'm around my friends... Sorry you guys... Yeah... Well yeah... Yeah... So in this case... You know... Just trying to be a human being... And like... Deal with like... Living... And then also trying to give to people... This information... And then also trying to like... See where they're at... For the absorption... It's really a... Really a wild class for me... On that... From that level... Yeah... I was really impressed... When they... Um... Go... Hey... We're gonna show up early... And...
26:32 And do a... Uh... Make some food out of... Some fresh bananas... Before class... So I'm like... That's pretty cool... That's... That's... Motivated... And... That wouldn't have happened... On the first day of class... But... They... They knocked it out... And... Made a... Pretty substantial... Um... Fermented plant use... Out of bananas... And... Looking back at it... Probably could have used... A little more sugar... Because we didn't get a lot of... Fluid out... Yep... Lesson learned... On that... I just let them... Kind of go... You know... I don't think... Uh... One student left early...
27:13 She just kind of like... Left... Without... You know... Just like... Decided to leave... I was like... Okay... Cool... Great... Um... So she... I don't think she even... Saw the end of that one... Or... Whatever... But... You know... So you get your... You know... You get what you want to get out of it... I guess... Um... But that... That batch is gonna turn into... Great vinegar... And yeah... That's the thing... Like... So... I'm trying to like... Let people... While they're here... Also go... Um... Fail... Learn... Uh... Have... Have time to... Um... Not fail... But... But... Uh...
27:48 You know... Make... Experiment... So they get their own self-confidence by doing it... And I think... Yeah... Letting them... Kind of... Doing that in the morning... It like... Made it... Really... Tied it in for them... Yeah... Yeah... Gave them... Basically gave them ownership... In my estimation... And gave them ownership of their class... You know... This is ours... And... Yeah... We're doing this... Kind of thing... And... You know... Gave them... You know... Yeah... Like... Ownership of it... You know... They... It's like... Yeah... This is my thing... And they were able to... Do that...
28:21 I... One of my biggest... Uh... I... I pondered this... Overnight... And... Uh... We did... We were charring the bones... To make structure... And... We set up... The... The chimney... Uh... Charcoal lighter... That we use... Filled it full of charcoal... I lit it up... And... I got the bones... To put on top of it... As soon as it's... Fired off... And... I was... I left it... Until it was perfect... To put on the barbecue... And... The bones didn't... Burn down... Like they needed to... We definitely got enough... To make... Our structure... But... The... Mount that has to be... Reburnt...
29:06 Because it didn't get hot enough... Was because... I made it perfect... For the barbecue... And... If I would have put it on... Ten minutes before that... And the flames... Are flying up through the... The charcoal starter... It would have... Completely... And... Expeditiously... Made the... Thing... As perfect as possible... But... Making those little mistakes... Where... I get the most information... Because... I had to put so much thought into... Why didn't it work out... Like it was supposed to... And... You know... Dissecting what I did... And... It... Came out that... If I... Uh...
29:49 If I would have put it on earlier... It would have just... There wouldn't have been a question... And... That whole process... Of... Figuring it out... That... Wouldn't have taken place... Because... I had nothing to figure out... So I wouldn't really have learned something... Now I can use... That... Thought process... To apply to my other... Um... Making... Making other... Inputs... Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... Just... Yeah... Trying to... Think that I have... Clear... Communication... It's always like... You think you're... Clearly communicating... And then that's always... It's interesting...
30:29 I mean... Teaching... Instructing... Doing this is like... One of the... Man... Like... Wild... Let's... Talk about a... Challenge to do... But the... The ultimate of like... You know... The... The... The method of charring the bones... Is... You know... It's just... Um... It is what it is... There's a thousand ways to do it... Yeah... And... And... But understanding... Uh... You know... Undercooked bones... Properly charred... Or over charred... That's the main thing... And you did a great job on that bit of it... I just... I came back... Where I was like... Mark... Mark... Mark was...
31:05 Was doing... Charring the bones... I was left in charge... Yeah... I came... Came back and then... And then I was... I was just... I was just perplexed... Yeah... Yeah... And you let them go to lunch... Which like... Again... Like... We should... You know... Force those students to do the thing... And then... And not... You know... But... But you got a good thing out of it... I don't... You know... Like... I learned a ton... Yeah... It's hard when a student... Doesn't want to engage... But... Um... So... Um... But... Yeah... Wanting to... You know... So... So I'm glad... You know...
31:36 And I think that's the thing... You got... You got... You got more out of this... Than... You know... Coming back to... To... To be one... Because I... I think... I think you can actually benefit... Like... Not to say that you couldn't benefit from my class as a beginner... But if you come back... And you know what you're doing already... Like... It's... It's funny... My... My class... Like I talk about the basics... Right? It's all about the basics... It's just all about the basics... But what's the most advanced thing you can do? That was impressive... The most advanced thing you can do...
32:07 Is master... The basics... And that's what I was doing in this class... Before I found out that's what I was doing... Yeah... The most advanced... Advanced of anything you can do... Is... Is to be... A master of the basics... To master the basics... It's the most advanced thing you can do... So... Just... You know... It's basics... And I... And it's funny... Because I think... Oh... I teach the basics... Right? So come to me... If you don't know anything... Because I'll teach the basics... Right? But it's actually... Who... Who really needs to be here... Is like...
32:38 Folks that already think they know what they're doing... Because... Basics... The... The mastery... The... Like... The most advanced thing is like... Just the basics... Like... You thought you knew all these things... And you're here... And then how many more subtlies did you pick up? Oh man... I'm... I'm humbled... As humbled... Is the good... Is a good word to describe it... Yeah... Because I came in here... With... You know... Nine out of ten confidence... I knew what I was doing... And... Halfway through the class... It's like... Okay... You know... I'm six or seven out of ten... Yeah...
33:08 I know what I'm doing... Okay... And then... Probably get down to five out of ten... And then... Yeah... I'm... I'm back up at about six or seven right now... That I know what I'm doing... I... I'm kind of... The more I learn... The more I know... I don't know... So... It's... But I know... I know where the rabbit holes are... Yeah... And it's funny how basic... But how... Much the subtleties of small things... Make a difference... You know... Especially when you start to tune in... And I think that's what... As you get more experience... Then you're knowing how to tune in more... You're...
33:42 You're... You're opening an observation loop... You've actually... Like... Looked at your plants... Maybe seen... Skinny... Seen chubby... Seen what I'm talking about... You know... What Master Cho is talking about... These... These growth patterns... You've... You've seen different things... Happen... Yeah... It all adds up... And... Into the intuition of it... It's... It changes... What you're... Everybody looks at the same thing... But... Different people see a lot of different stuff... And... I see a lot... Clearer... A lot... You know... I... I used to be... 1080K... Um... Resolution...
34:20 And now I'm looking at 8K... So... I... I see a lot more stuff... It's a lot clearer... And there's... I think that's the... I think that's the benefit... Of just... You know... The next time he's got a bunch of... Work to do around the farm... I might show up for another class... You know... That's always work to do on the farm... I tell you... So... Big projects... You know... And yeah... So... Got my major... You know... I did my one... Class for the year... We'll see... I don't know what... What this year will lead for... For education... You know... Doing office hours... This is fun...
35:02 I like this... I hope you enjoy it... It's my favorite part of Sunday... Whether or not I'm... On the hot seat... Yeah... Yeah... Well it's nice to have you here... Um... And... Yeah... So... Trying to keep that... That going... But I'm not sure... You know... What... What will be... Education for this year... We'll see... Doing more foundation stuff... Maybe away classes... Yeah... We'll see... I'm definitely... I'm going to Maui... For... Mayday... Around there... It'll be fun... Does anybody out there... Got any questions for me... Um... Dropping a mark... Drop... Drop those down... Um...
35:47 Or... Questions in general... Try and get this other monitor out... Oh... Did we just... Knocked it loose? I knocked it loose... At least fun... Running a live show... I... Uh... You know... The technical difficulties... Of like... Getting it to go... And then like... I nudge a wire... And then it's like... Oh no... This other monitor goes off... You don't know how fragile your... Your setup is... Until you're live... You know... It's like... Why... Why is this monitor not even... Like... I'm pushing the power button...
36:34 Oh there it is... Okay... Is it going to just turn on... Or is it getting a signal? No... No... No signal maybe... Um... No signal... There you go... But um... Yeah... So... Throw something at Mark... Come on... Okay... Has anybody made... Any... Inputs... This year so far? Okay... Got...
37:23 Uh... Chris Laff... He's making some... Black... Making soil block... Mix... For this weekend... Thinking of using... Seed soak... For the... Wetting the mix... And a bit of labs... That sounds awesome... And... You know... Whatever... Like... Another thing that we learned... Is that... It's like... Whatever you have... Use that... First... Don't wait... Till... You have... Everything you need... Use what... You know... Make what you can... And use that... And just... Keep the process going... Maybe the... Um... Soil soak... Solution... Would be better for... Making those blocks... Or...
38:06 Are those going to be... For germinating seeds... Christoph? I mean... Putting the seeds... Seed soak in there... Is kind of an interesting idea... Right? Because you're kind of like... That's what the seed... You know... You can put in a soil block... Drop it in there... And a seed... Like... That is what the seed... Kind of wants to... To do its thing... And... Um... Yeah... Yeah... Those... I mean... They're... They're... They're actually... You know... I mean... The... The... The funny... The funny bit about natural farming... Is like... Talk all this stuff...
38:36 And then you start to look at the charts... And the tables... And they're like... They're pretty darn similar to each other... Of where you're going... And why... Yeah... You know... It's really like... Kind of when you get... More advanced... Like... More advanced... To do things... That you would change those... But... Most people... Lack the basics... Right? This is something we were talking about... Yeah... Like... Like... With... You know... It's like... Oh... Like... Like... I think... I think this is when you said... Oh yeah... Their questions... When they first got here... It's like...
39:06 Oh... I have such problem with... This... Right? Because like... I got... You know... Like... Blight on my mango... Or some... Or ants on my thing... Like... Yeah... And you... Yeah... Like... And then like... Their question is like... Real like... About that... But then like... The ultimate like... After kind of... Being here... And understanding the holistic system... It's like... When I say it's like... About mastering the basics... It comes down to like... Did you check if the plant was hungry first? Yeah... And do you feed it? Yeah... How does it act... After... After you feed it? Yeah...
39:40 Let's revisit... And that's... And that's what I mean about the basics... Right? Have we... Have we... Have we made sure that it's clean? Have we made sure that it's well fed? Have we made sure it has a house? Have we made sure that it's not sick? And those are... Those are food... Cleanser... Structure... And medicine... Right? Those are those... And we just apply those forth... Things... And we check... If those things are... Are... Are out of whack? Because if those things are out of whack... What are you doing trying to fix... Other stuff... Yeah... Yeah... Isn't that kind of like... The...
40:18 The grand... Like... Light bulb... That kind of like... You saw in Gage... Like that... That's what... That's what took the questions from like... These questions... To like... To just like... Basics and understanding... Right? Yeah... And... And it's how you look at your plants... You're only seeing... You're only seeing the... The fungus that's on it... Or... Or the mildew... Or the bugs... And... But... How's the rest of the plant doing... Compared to plants that don't have bugs on them? You know... It's... If... The ones that don't have bugs on them... Are being fed...
40:54 And they're healthy... That's probably why they don't have bugs on them... Because the... Bugs are gonna go to the easy meal... Instead of... Plants that have... Hard cell walls... And... Thick cell walls... Because they're not being blown up... By nitrogen... It's like... Nitrogen is like... Blowing up a... Hot water bottle... And it's easy to pop... Once you get it the size of... You know... Two feet... Blow up a... Water bottle two feet across... It gets pretty thin... But... It's easy to get through... When it's... In its normal relaxed state... It's got a super thick wall... And...
41:33 Microbes... Will expire... Before they get... Into the good stuff of the cell... Same way with... The root of... Fungus... You know... Mycelium... They get tired... And... They'll go find out... They'll go find the... The sick plants... That haven't been fed... Or... Or don't have what they need... Yeah... Yeah... And... And... Yeah... Christoph's agreeing... Saying exactly... At first... It's shots in the dark... Then fixing stuff... And then going back to basic things often... You know... And it's like... Yeah... You know... So... So... I mean... And that's the thing... The thing is...
42:13 People don't necessarily think about... Going out... Feeding... Cleaning... Giving structure... Medicine to their plant... Like... You wouldn't think of that... And it's like... Oh... My plant's stressed... I need to put... Molybendium in it... Like... When has... Molybendium ever... Relieved your stress level... Mark... Yeah... Versus just a nice hot meal... Right... Like... You know... There is actually an answer to that question... It has to do with my military career... But we won't go into that... Yeah... Yeah... No... Well... These... But this concept of like... Absolutely... What is...
42:47 What is... What is the path... To healing... Well... Eating good food... Make sure you're clean... Addison... Being... Living in a good place... You know... These... These things... And it's just like... What's gonna get... What's gonna heal you... Well... Getting on that path... Starting those things... Hey... You gotta... You gotta be healthy enough to... Well... You... Healing... Comes from within... When your body's healthy enough... It'll heal itself... And it's usually the only thing that does... You know... Yeah... Yeah... But... But it's... But... Oftentimes... Healing...
43:20 Pretty basic... And it's... Usually... It's because... We're... Stubborn... That we're not wanting to change... Some basic... For whatever reason... You know... Humans have our own thing... But in our plants... We can see something... And if we're willing to change... To understand... Okay... Let's try this paradigm... Because right now... When I was talking about Peter... It's like... He's out throwing copper... He's out doing all this... Trying to suppress... And fight nature... Majority of what he's doing... I would say... When he talked to me... Majority of what he's doing...
43:51 Is fighting nature... Wouldn't... Wouldn't you say that's the case? Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... Just trying to... Trying to get rid of the leaf rust... So he's spending his time... As a farmer... Fighting nature... Versus... I think if he turns around... And he takes that time... To support his plants... And to support what he wants... Yeah... Fix the soil... Yeah... Feed... Feed the soil... Feed the plants... Stop fighting... Stop putting poisons out there... That are... That are imbalancing... His thing... Because he's trying to imbalance it... To get rid of some fungus... Right... Because...
44:23 The fungus was imbalancing... You know... Like... So he's creating more imbalance... Every time he's... He's tending to his... Land... Even though he's trying to... Help his things... He's fighting... Right... Yeah... It's like... Just like... Just because of the advice... He was given... Right... Yeah... When he first started out... He asked someone... And they said... Here's the... Here's the ammunition store... Here's where you get the guns... Go to war... Bro... Instead of saying... Hey... You know... Maybe you want to support these things... Feed these things... Get this... Nourish this...
44:50 Come in with a peaceful approach... And support the actual good biology... And don't worry about fighting the bad... Support the good... The good will outnumber the bad... And when the good are happy... There's no reason for them to turn bad... That wasn't the advice he was given... Right... No... It was... No... It was... Cut and dried... Black and white... And... If you have this... You have to do this... Because... The chemical companies... Right... Right... The prescriptions... You know... And... They profit off of it... And... Because when you start using their stuff... The only true...
45:25 Fact... Is that... You're going to have to use more of their stuff... And... My attraction to... The beauties of... Master Cho's teachings are... You can get rid of your... One-use plastic bottles... Yeah... I still save all my plastic bottles... Because I... Use them to put my inputs in... But... I also save all my glass bottles... And... Because I prefer storing it in glass... But... You know... You've got to be careful... But... At the end of the day... You know... I don't have 2.5 gallons of pH up... Or... You know... Bloom... Or grow... Or... Any of that stuff... I... Out of that...
46:10 You know... Don't need... I'm not generating any of that plastic... So... And... Or... Whatever is in those things too... Which is... Yeah... Chemicals... Yeah... Gnarly... Yeah... I'd rather... If I'm trying to heal people... I'd... I'd prefer to... Uh... Use stuff that's healing... Instead of... You know... Taking you in the other direction... Kind of thing... Yeah... Imagine you're... You know... Like... You spill a bunch of natural farming stuff... You could lick it up... Yeah... Oh no... I've permanently enhanced my environment... That was fun... Yeah... Oh my god... It's...
46:51 It's permanently enhanced... What am I gonna do? That... Actually... That is one of the funniest things I've ever seen... Like... If you're... If you're doing other farming... And you spill... It's a chemical spill... And that land has to be like... Removed... Or... Or whatever... And it's a disaster... Yeah... It's a super fun site... You spill... Natural farming stuff... It's permanently enhanced... It's just an expensive mistake to make... Because... You could've used that stuff for other things... But it's no... It's no dime off your back... Of like... That area is permanently enhanced...
47:24 Like... Yeah... That's like... That's how you can tell you're on there... Well... That's how I tell them on the right page... You know... That is hilarious... If I... If I mess up... And... And have a... Catastrophic spill... Which would really... Really hurt my feelings... But... Um... I know that... Well... At least I did good there... You know... So... Alright... How do you think about pruning fruit trees? I'm planting 17 trees... Already got seven half size... I'm thinking... Letting them go for a few years... And see what happens... KNF solutions... And... Everything... Um...
48:09 How do I think about pruning fruit trees? Well... We're gonna prune some trees today... We're doing a little bit of agroforestry... And the only thing... You know... When you're done pruning... Just put a little LAB on there... Just on the wound... Um... Keeps that nice... Um... You know... If you're... Going to... Prune a bunch of trees... If you spray... Like a type 2... Um... If you spray like a... What... What... Sorry... I'm trying to get... Wild... Yeah... Anyway... With... Um... One thing that... Kind of... My brain sort of... Wrapped around... Um... Referencing pruning... Is... Um...
48:55 If you... Are pruning... At the peak... Or on the rising tide... Um... It... The... Two celestial bodies in the same sky... Will have a... Pulling effect... And it pulls the tides up... And the... And the world spins through that lift... If... You're... If you have an option to... Of when to prune... Even if you're not in a tidal area... I... I still think that... That... Um... That pull... If you cut your plants... When there's maximum pull from... The sky... From... Like... In the middle of a high tide... Or a king tide... Opposed to...
49:41 The flatter tide cycles... Where there's not a lot of difference... Between the high and the low... It's going to... Keep the... Juices... The essences... Of the plant... From being pulled up... Through... The new... Through the new cuts... It's... Uh... Just... Something intuitively that... If you can add it to it... You may benefit from... Just a subtle nuance... Yeah... Yeah... Definitely... By... Align with the biodynamic calendar... Kind of... Because they've already studied the... Those planets... And like... Can kind of give you guides on when... When those things... Yeah...
50:17 Mahina Moon Calendar app is great... Yep... You're right... That's an app I wrote that... That tracks kind of the Hawaiian essence of it... That same idea... Um... It really is... Yeah... Just based on the moon and the sun... And the earth... For that one... Um... Doesn't... Doesn't include the other planets... But um... Yeah... Yeah... And um... Roining... You know... Uh... You ever read... Uh... Masanoba... Fukuoka... One Straw Revolution... I've seen the book... But no... I'm not familiar... It's here somewhere... I see it right now... Um... Yeah... Actually... Um...
50:59 Actually a fan of the show... Sent me a copy... Um... Yeah... So... Um... I'm really stoked on that... Um... And... Because I... I've read it long ago... I just didn't have a copy... And it's great... And he sent me a brown cover copy... Which is like... Pretty frickin' legendary... Um... Yeah... It's like you're in the... You know... You're in the... Like... It's like... Yeah... You show up to the permaculture convention... With a brown copy of... Uh... You know... One Straw... It's like... Oh... Oh... It's like having a... Um... Non-nettero farming... Um... Joe Global book... But... Um...
51:33 Ooh... Those are rare... Um... But... Um... But... He talks about pruning in there... That's when we get back to pruning... And he talks about how... You know... His dad pruned his whole... Um... Mandarin orchard... And had it like nice... And all this... And then... Gave it to the son... The son was just like... What the fuck is it? I was like... Fuck all this pruning... And he didn't do it... And the tank... The trees got all tangled... Right? So once you start pruning... Once you start cutting... Once you start managing... You can't really stop... Right? So you could go with like...
52:03 Just the natural tree flow... But... Usually... You know... Humans are pruning... For certain reasons... To get certain things... And if you're gonna manicure... And you're gonna jump in there... Then... Then do it... And it's great... And in natural farming... You know... Pruning... Trellising... All these things... Natural farming... Is not some hippie thing... It is high production farming... It's... It's like... We're doing this stuff... And it's... We're in balance... With nature and harmony... And all this stuff... But we're not like... Woo... Just like... Woo... Let it happen...
52:31 We're more like... How can we... Find the space in here... Where... Where... Where human... And nature... Come together best... To benefit both of us... We can regenerate nature... And we can benefit human... And... So... The... The... Understanding pruning... These things... How they fit in... All that... Natural... Think to yourself... Natural farmers... The most productive people... Around... Like when I was in Seoul Airport... And I looked up... And I saw these massive... Steel beams and stuff... And I thought to myself... I was like... You know what... I think with natural farming...
53:04 We could do this in a... Plungal way... Where you can get such... Oh... Production... Because we're regenerating... You know... Versus exploitive... Whatever agriculture... Where we're putting runoff... In the ocean... And we're building beams... Like this... Right... Versus you can still... Build beams like that... And get the same people... Into the environment... With natural farming... And it's that... It's that level of like... Um... Production... That we need... For the world... You know... Sometimes I think... People think... Oh like... Permaculture... And this is just like...
53:34 Hippies sitting there lazy... Not doing... You know like... Like... It's really... Like... These systems... I don't know... I don't know why I'm on this tangent... But it came from pruning... Of like... Basic ideas... That as a natural farmer... That's your forte... That you get to add into the nature... Is just this... Efficiency... And how you want to do it... And... And that... That... That... That of you... Where you... Human and nature... Meet... Ideas to be as best as you can... And... I think natural farming... Is compatible with that... Yeah... Make... You know... Make...
54:08 What you're growing... As... Good as you can possibly make it... But also make it... Usable... It's... If you've got a 40 foot avocado tree... You're gonna have a lot of bruised avocados... You know... But if you top it... And you let it grow out... Because you're harvesting avocados... You're gonna get a lot more... You're gonna get a lot more value... Out of your plant... Yeah... You're gonna have to pay attention... For a lot... And... Another thing... When it comes to... Pruning... And... If you've missed a couple of years... And you got some wild... Branches... Um...
54:44 Air layering is a good way to... Propagate... It takes a lot of time... You know... It's... You're gonna have to invest... Four to six months... For it to be able to root out... But... You've got another tree to stick... Straight in the ground... Just like the one you took it off of... So air layering is... Uh... An added... An added step... And an added hassle to pruning... But... It... Pays pretty big benefits... Especially if you want to pass... Your genetics to friends... Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... And Cheryl's saying here... Yeah... You still have to do your regular maintenance... Right...
55:16 It's just gonna... You know... It gives you solutions for... For other things... You know... It's not like... Hey... Hey... Hey... Thanks... We got a super chat... Thank you... Yeah... Improving flavor and bag appeal... Yeah... That's where natural farming shines the most... Flavor... Aroma... Um... Minerals... Yeah... Um... Yeah... Minerals make terpenes... And terpenes do the... Do the driving... Yeah... From... And they make all the flavors... And there's a... There's a question here... Can KNF be effective... In a 40-40-20 mix... Of cocoa... Quire...
56:02 Compost... Aeration... Do you understand that? I... When you say... Can KNF be effective... In it... Of like... A soil mix... When you say KNF... Like... Are you referring to like... Would the microbes benefit you? Because... They probably would... Or... Are you referring to like... If your plant is in that mix... Should you... Use natural farming solutions... To like... Water that plant? I think that would be effective... So... I don't quite understand that question... It sounds like it's... Um... It sounds like... Um... Well it's got compost... So there is... There is biomass in there...
56:41 For nutrient cycling... So... I would say... Indigent... IMOs... Indigent microorganisms... Would probably make that thing blow up... Um... Yeah... The way that you got it on there... And... The... Leave the... Uh... Protect the surface from the sun... And... Let the aeration... Let the bugs do it... Yeah... So maybe like... If you... If you had... Properly made foundation IMO... If you threw maybe... Uh... 5-10% of that... Into that mix... Of... Of the IMO... Yeah... Water it in... Yeah... Water it... Water the IMOs into that... Probably... That sounds like a really good place...
57:19 For everything that we're trying to grow to live... Yeah... You know... You give it... You give it Gucci housing... You're gonna have really good populations... Or really good stuff... In my estimation... Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... Hey... Sounds like a great place to be... Thank you... Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... So I think... Yeah... IMOs... It's interesting when... You know... People ask... Can K&F benefit... It's like... Interesting... Because... I... I think... You know... I really... Um... You know... I make... You know... You get microorganisms... And you have foods and solutions...
57:51 You give them... You know... And I think in any situation... Most things would benefit from... Either better indigenous microbes... And or... You know... Pure nutrient supplementation... That we're doing in these senses... Right... I mean... How would you... How would you... What would you describe all the solutions as... Is what we're doing? Absolutely... Solutions... To... To problems that... That... You know... That... Start in the soil... You know... And all the way... To the... To the apical growth of the tallest tree... And everything in between... It's... The... They're all super...
58:29 They're all super... They're tuned in... To... Everybody work with each other... You know... They're... Well let me ask this in a different way... What... Is there... Is there any time... A plant... Would not benefit... From doing... Correct Korean natural farming on it? Not that I can think of... Not... Not if it's growing... I mean... Potentially... You could... If you understood Korean natural farming... You could do... Something... From the Korean natural farming textbook... Every day to a plant... And it wouldn't... It wouldn't be detrimental... No... I don't think so... No... I mean...
59:05 Over... Over watering it... You know... Of... You know... Within... Within reason... But... You know... You can... You can feed... Regularly... Three... Four times... A month... So the only way to do it wrong... Is drowning it... Yeah... Don't drown it... Yeah... Exactly... You know... You can... The... The person's got a... A hundred year old... Apple tree... I would... If I had that... If I had access... To that... I would... Definitely... Air layer it... And... Save those genetics... Because that's some... That's some OG stuff there... And we need to... Uh... We need to preserve that...
59:47 Um... I wish I was near enough to... I'd come out and do it for you... Just to get a... Just to get a sample... So... It's... Yeah... You gotta save that... Uh... That OG biology... Yeah... My... Uh... Ex-cousin-in-law... Ian lives up in... Tacoma... He might come prune your tree... He's a good guy... Yeah... Where'd they at? I think... Rainbow Possum... Oh... Pacific Northwest... Somewhere... So... Um... And then... Most of the fruit trees... Sold in Western Australia... Are pruned... Before they're sold to the public... So they'll probably need... Pruning for the rest of their lives...
1:00:23 We're currently growing... Apples and oranges from... Yeah... From Stanwood... Yeah... Stanwood... Cool... Um... Yeah... So... Um... Yeah... So... Um... Yeah... So... The last... Last question... Um... We got... Uh... Is... How are the potlucks going? And someone is asking... Are we still doing the second Tuesday thing? So yes... Yes... Absolutely... Um... Second Tuesday thing... We had about 80 people last month... Um... So we went over a can of food... Um... Everyone got to make that... Well... I guess one guy made it... And then next time I'm gonna bring it back... But hopefully...
1:01:00 We're gonna have a tasting contest... This next time... If anyone made it... Made their own... Um... And then... We're going to go over... Cleanser... And we're just going through all the nine solutions... So... It's been going really well... Um... Scrolling... I have not... I... I... I... I just... I... I haven't been that... Uh... Motivated to like... Put social posts... To like... Show how much fun we're having... You know... Like... Look at us... Look how much fun we're having... Guys... You know... I mean... I know it makes it more attractive... And you're like...
1:01:30 You wanna show up when there's like... 80 people... Versus just one... Which is like the... Most ridiculous... Cause you really wanna show up when there's just one person... Versus the 80... Cause then you... You know... But anyway... Um... Anyway... Uh... It is great... It's going... Uh... Am I planning another certification in Hilo? Um... Maybe... I don't know... I just finished one... Um... Yeah... Yeah... That was... Um... I'm glad I... I moved mountains to get here... So... It's pretty early to do so... Am I planning another one? Eventually... I mean... I... I... The thing is...
1:02:07 People always say... Oh... Catch your next one... And I'm like... Yeah... I'm not gonna have another one... Yeah... Cause I just... I don't like that idea of like... I'll catch your next one... It's like... You're either here or you're not, bro... Like... You know... Um... Versus like... Oh... I'll... Like as if I'm just gonna keep doing this indefinitely... You never know... I could get hit by an asteroid... You know... Claude... Claude bot could take over... You know... Just erase all my data... You would never know I existed... Um... So... Anyway... Um... You know... Thanks... Thanks Mark...
1:02:35 Thanks for being here... You got any... Uh... Words of wisdom for the folks? Um... Yeah... Master the small things... Master... All nine tenets... And then... Through that process... The... The better you get... The better your... Inputs will be... And... The bigger your intuition will grow... On how to use those inputs... So... The primary... Take away from... My whole week... Is... Mastering the small stuff... You know... It's... It's where... It's the core... And then from there... Everything else will... Have a neat place to fit...
1:03:22 As it comes to you... Instead of having to worry about... Where am I going to store this information? Because... Once you've mastered the small stuff... Everything has its own spot... And it's only going to enhance... Wherever it is that it lands... So... And thank you everybody... I'm super stoked... You're part of this community... And... I'll join you next week... From... Back in California... Probably... Or I might be on... Oahu... We'll see... But anyhow... Thank you again... To everybody... Personally... This is an amazing community... I'm glad to be a part of it... Thank you Mark...
1:04:01 And now... Just going to offer a quick prayer... So... Jesus... Thank you for being here... Thanks for giving us... For giving us... Thanks for giving it to us... Unconditional... And thank you... Um... For giving us another chance... To know you... In that... In Jesus name... Amen... Peace... Peace be with you... Love y'all... Catch you next week... Chk... Bye... Bye... Bye... Bye... Bye... Bye... Bye...
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