IMO4 Degreaser, Pig Pen Biochar, Maltose Growth Stimulant
Drake opens with IMO4 breaking down oils and fats — it ate diesel out of a truck bed and works as a natural degreaser, though it should stay out of FAA (KNF Fuel) because it strips the fats needed there. He covers KNF Structure (water-soluble calcium phosphate): dry, buzzard-picked bones need no boiling, just crush and use. He warns that conventional sugarcane is often sprayed with Roundup before harvest, so use organic sugar for IMO2 and ferments, crushed fine if it's too granular.
For pests and disease, Drake favors LAB (KNF Protectors) over algae, applied weekly or semi-weekly against powdery mildew and bud rot. For a one-year-old hazelnut orchard with poor wind pollination, he recommends a beehive plus spraying KNF Structure during the two-week changeover ("puberty") period before flowering, mixed into a maintenance solution: 1:500 KNF food from unripe fruit, 1:500 cleanser, 1:1000 KNF medicine.
On the farm: pig pens don't need six inches of biochar on the bottom — mixing a five-gallon bucket into the top wood-chip layer of a 12x14 pen works fine. Crates of grapes become KNF food (equal weight brown sugar, ferment about a week) applied in the last three weeks before harvest for flavor and secondary metabolites. Seawater stores in five-gallon buckets out of direct sun and drenches at 1:30; fermented seawater doesn't keep — use it within two to three days, especially to revive plants after a heat wave. Maltose, diluted 1:500, speeds composting, helps seedling transplants, dampening-off, root rot, and livestock appetite.
Drake answers a grower in Israel on transitioning dry-climate deciduous orchards (apples, peaches, plums, almonds) to KNF by integrating IMO1 into existing spray and compost programs rather than converting all at once. He responds to Dr. Elaine Ingham's criticism that IMOs favor anaerobic pathogens, citing a Maui trial where KNF-treated tomato plants recovered faster than soil-food-web compost plants after an irrigation cutoff. For a forest project in Indonesia, he advises against burying amendments a meter deep — plant in a shallow 10-15cm cone and add fist-sized biochar chunks around each tree instead. He closes on nursery practice: liquid IMO in irrigation water, seed soaking solution, KNF Protectors at 1:1000 (or 1:700 for trouble), and 10% IMO4 mixed into potting medium.
Questions answered
- 5:38 Can IMO4 break down lipids, fats, and oils — could it work as a soap or degreaser? — Yes — IMOs treat oils as food and devour them; sprinkle dry IMO4 on grease, but keep it out of FAA/KNF Fuel.
- 8:44 Do you need to boil cow bones for KNF Structure if buzzards already picked them dry? — No — if the bones are already free of fat and oil, just use them as is; boiling is only needed to remove lipids.
- 10:43 Should I use organic granular sugar for IMO2 and ferments since cane is sprayed with Roundup? — Yes, use organic sugar — Roundup before harvest is a microbicide; crush granular sugar first so it saturates properly.
- 18:55 Can algae protect plants from powdery mildew, bud rot, and pests in one treatment? — Drake hasn't tested algae; he relies on LAB (KNF Protectors) applied weekly or semi-weekly for those problems.
- 34:55 How do I improve pollination in a one-year-old, wind-pollinated hazelnut orchard? — Add a beehive and spray KNF Structure (water-soluble calcium phosphate) during the two-week changeover period before flowering.
- 39:07 Did I make a mistake skipping six inches of biochar at the bottom of my pig pen? — No — just mix a five-gallon bucket of biochar into the top wood-chip layer instead, and repeat each time you add chips.
- 41:56 I have crates of grapes — how can I use them for growing medicinal herbs? — Ferment them into KNF food with equal weight brown sugar, then apply during the last three weeks before harvest for flavor and potency.
- 45:47 How should I store seawater? — Store it in five-gallon buckets or a cistern, out of direct sunlight; Drake drenches it at a 1:30 dilution.
- 47:23 How long does fermented seawater store, and when should I use it? — It doesn't store well — use it within two to three days, and it's especially good for reviving plants after a heat wave.
- 48:52 Does maltose need to be sun-dried, and what is it used for? — Sun-drying sterilizes it; diluted 1:500, maltose speeds composting, helps seedling transplants and root rot, and boosts livestock appetite.
- 54:08 How do I transition a dry-climate deciduous orchard (apples, peaches, plums, almonds) to KNF? — Start by adding IMO1 from local forest into your existing spray or compost program rather than converting everything at once.
- 58:52 What does Drake think of Dr. Elaine Ingham's claim that IMOs favor anaerobic pathogens? — He disagrees, citing a Maui trial where KNF-treated tomatoes recovered from an irrigation cutoff faster than soil-food-web compost plants.
- 1:05:00 Should I bury KNF microbes a meter deep when converting soil to forest with amendments? — No — spread them on top and water in; plant in a shallow 10-15cm cone instead of a deep amended pit so roots reach out naturally.
- 1:09:54 What's the difference in power between IMO4 and liquid IMO? — IMO4 (solid) is more powerful for soil application; liquid IMO is more convenient and cheaper for covering large acreage.
- 1:12:50 What should I use for seed soaking, growing medium, and disease protection in a tree nursery? — Soak seeds in a microbial solution, mix 10% IMO4 into potting medium, and apply KNF Protectors at 1:1000 (1:700 if disease is bad).
KNF Office Hours is a free live Q&A every Sunday at 9 AM HST. Bring your question to pureknf.org/learn/questions or join live.
In this episode
- 0:00 Welcome and I Ching
- 5:40 IMO4 breaks down lipids, fats, oils
- 7:54 KNF Fuel (FAA) — don't add IMO4
- 8:53 KNF Structure (WCP) — bones for calcium phosphate
- 10:43 Organic sugar vs. Roundup-treated cane
- 14:22 Meristems and FPJ (KNF Food)
- 17:34 Bromelain in pineapple skins
- 18:55 LAB (KNF Protectors) for mildew, bud rot, pests
- 22:18 KNF Farm trainings and website
- 34:55 Hazelnut pollination and changeover cycle
- 39:07 Pig pens and biochar
- 41:56 Grapes and fruit for KNF food
- 45:47 Seawater storage
- 47:23 Fermented seawater use and dilution
- 48:52 Maltose — sun drying and uses
- 54:08 Transitioning deciduous orchards to KNF
- 58:50 Dr. Elaine Ingham and KNF
- 1:05:00 Indonesia forest soil and JMS to KNF
- 1:09:54 IMO4 vs. liquid IMO
- 1:12:50 Nursery: seed soak, medium, KNF Protectors
Transcript
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0:00 Aloha and welcome to today's office hours. Just getting things started here. I was actually just at KNF support answering some questions to folks and getting all the questions that I received over the week from email and to follow up from last week's session that some comments got left in there so just organizing those before i got started but want to welcome you here today just getting into things and as per usual i think it's it's a good thing to kind of start center ourselves by reading a bit of inspirational knowledge so i'm gonna pull up this
0:49 here from the the I Ching which is one of my like I say is one of my favorite books here and looks like we've already got a bunch of comments in the in the YouTube stream here and happy that you guys are tuning in happy to connect with you but want to start with the I Ching and today's hexagram is number 31 which is lake over mountain and it's influence or wooing And it says, an influence comes good fortune to those whose hearts are correct. So the hexagram Hesen indicates the coming of an influence.
1:32 This may take the form of a teaching from the sage, an interaction with another, or a disturbing or pleasing event. In any case, there is good fortune if you meet the influence with proper thoughts and actions. It is a good time to remember that like attracts like. If one gives expression to higher things, then one is surrounded by higher things. If one indulges in what is inferior, then one can expect to have the company of inferiors. Therefore, it is wise to cling steadily to humility, independence, gentleness, and openness.
2:19 With others, keep an open heart, free of desire, condemning no one, enjoying affinities while retaining your equanimity. With the sage, keep a clear connection. Seek resolutely to serve as a conduit for truth and innocence and goodness. If the influence is challenging, persevere in correctness. If it is pleasing, also persevere in correctness. maintaining your devotion to higher things ensures success in the coming time
3:05 so i just want to thank you guys for tuning in you know um me putting energy towards korean natural farming um i feel like it really has attracted likeness really trying to just put my, you know, the heart in the right place, be doing the right things. You know, when I started this office hour a couple months ago, maybe it was just a month ago, I wasn't sure how it was going to turn out. And I just wanted to, I realized, you know, I stepped off social media almost entirely in the beginning of 2021. And I, you know, I deleted my Facebook account, which
3:52 You know, I had thousands of friends there and really just didn't want to feed the beast of how the thing tracks you and all the things that they're doing. And kind of got a little bit, I don't know, like antisocial in terms of what I was doing. But I realized when I did that, that, you know, I cut myself off from this community and still kept my YouTube, which is great, continues to grow. There's so much good information there. And always on my YouTube, I've been focused just, you know, on Korean natural farming. You go look at my channel, find all the videos. It's always
4:31 been just, you know, what I see when I'm in Korea, sharing lectures, sharing information. But the Facebook was a little bit more personal, had some people get upset with certain things, certain viewpoints that I hold. And, you know, I just didn't want to have that exposure out there, especially as, you know, seems like they're moving more towards social credit scores and all that. But enough of that. You didn't really tune in for that here. Maybe you did. I mean, but let's dive into some questions here. And yeah, blessing you guys up with happy Sunday. See
5:12 someone in the comments saying that. But first, I wanted to dive in with some questions from last week. And so here we got a question from Super Life. And they were saying, did you answer the question from two weeks ago about IMO4 being able to break down lipids and if it can be used as a soap or degreaser? Now, this is a great question. IMOs are exceptionally good at digesting organic compounds. A classic story I like to tell is my friend, he actually just lives up the road now, he just moved in, Richard, was that he was bringing diesel home in the back of his truck
6:03 and it spilled and he got diesel everywhere. And he was like, ah, but, you know, as a farmer, he was too busy to clean it up right away. So he just left it. Next week he was transporting, you know, and the back of his truck was all oily, all greasy. You know, when he spilled diesel, it's kind of a hard to get rid of substance. And then the next week he was bringing home a bag of IMOs, transporting those. I think he purchased them when we used to have an IMO machine here in Hawaii. and then those spilled because he lives up this super bumpy road and he was like, oh man.
6:41 And he didn't clean that up either. And about a week later, he walked in the back of his truck bed and it wasn't even slick. The IMOs had eaten up all this oil. So if you know, you know, when they spill oil in the water, they put in microbial inoculants. Sometimes they just use the enzymes that microbes make which can be a very dangerous thing because what happens is when oil they look at it as a food source so these these different lipids these different fats these different oils these different compounds microbes look at them as a food source and they go nuts and so what when
7:19 they go nuts they can eat up other things that are important in the ecosystem such as you know, oxygen and those things that other animals need. And so it can create these kind of overreaction kind of dead zones. So, but anytime I'm working on my tractor, I spill oils, just throw down some LAB. I also use lactic acid bacteria in my laundry, which is another great microbe to help break down these compounds. And I think this question stems from some folks when they make fish amino acid or as I call it can of fuel because it's the
8:01 it kicks up things like fuel in your plants really accelerates their growth which can be dangerous if you had too much fuel you can overgrow but during the fish amino acid recipe they add in IMO4 to the recipe but it can break down these fats and oils which also have different things in your IMO4. And I recommend that you don't do that. And if you ever have any stink, just throw in a bit of more sugar or submerge the fish. So can IMO break down lipids and fats and used as a degreaser? I would think so, especially if you can sprinkle that dry powder on there. Seems to work
8:44 great. So it's great. So next question here from Eyewitness is, would you need to boil the cow bones if the buzzers have picked them dry and they have sat for a long period of time? And so this relates to KNF structure. Also, some people call it water-soluble calcium phosphate, and that's where you're taking cow bones or any kind of animal land-bearing heavy strong bones not like chicken bones which just snap and break but heavy bones and you want to remove the fats and the oils off them so again like i was just talking maybe just taking them sprinkling a bit
9:32 of imo4 on them letting those eat the lipids and all those things off or just leaving them where the buzzards pick them dry. Sometimes I just find bones laying on the ground that are just white and weathered and they're not fat and oily. Another thing that my wife Suze does is she takes the bones and boils them to make a broth, but she doesn't add vinegar in the bone broth. And what you're doing is removing those. So if your bones are in that condition where they're not oily, like if you put it in water and boil them and you're not going to get an oily, congealed,
10:07 bone brothy type thing. You're just going to be boiling bones. There's no need to boil them. Most often what I do is I'll take the bones and throw them into my chicken pen and just let the chickens pick through them. Little maggots come. They get a little extra protein from the air. It's great as long as I'm not picking up pests and bringing in mongoose or predators from the rotting flesh. So yeah, no need to burn or boil already dried, weathered, picked by the buzzard bones. So next question here, I've heard that, this is Joe saying that I've heard that sugarcane
10:48 grown conventionally is loaded with fungicides. Should I use organic brown sugar for the IMO2 and ferments. The other thing besides fungicides is typically sugar commercially grown. They spray Roundup on it right before like 10 days before harvest and this stresses out the plant and causes it to aggregate more sugar and then that's entering the food supply. So you wonder why people have irritable bowel syndrome and why they have all these internal problems. Roundup is a microbial side. It's used as a descaler. It pulls out all these heavy, you know,
11:33 plaques and minerals. It strips minerals from everything. So yeah, try to use organic sugar if you can. Sometimes the organic sugar that I buy here is really granular, and that can cause problems because the brown sugar I buy is very finely ground. And so if you are getting organic sugar and it's very granular try to crush it up first you know i throw it in the blender and blend it to make it almost like a powdered sugar because sometimes it cannot um super saturate and get right against the rice and the whole idea for the adding the sugar is to suck the moisture out and to tie
12:12 all that moisture up and if it's a granular you can't get it right against your material and same goes for me when you're making knf food try to use organic solutions you know as much as you can be careful because conventional organic is not much different than conventional conventional so just because it has an organic label on it does not mean that it's you know healthy or good for you i'm sorry to burst everyone's bubble you really got to look at the farming practices you know what is healthy those are microbial balance things those are things that build up
12:49 our soil those are things that don't pollute our environment and you got to think just beyond your inputs and what you're doing you got to think about the next seven generations and how what are the practices that are happening today affecting our whole ecosystem because if i get something that's organic for me but it polluted someplace else even though it was organic it's like are we moving forward or backward and i tend to think that you know what to me is the best is local uh produced and if you you know i'm not saying that you can grow sugar everywhere
13:22 um so that's why here at the knf farm which you can come here visit us visit knffarm.com um come for trainings that's the number one crop i'm growing is sugar cane well actually bananas but bananas and sugar cane because eventually i want to have pure knf 100 through where the sugar that was grown was with knf now you're fermenting to make knf now the plants you're growing the whole cycle from start to finish is pure knf so yes get the best high quality sources you can it's not always possible the other thing i'd say is you know use what you can if you only
14:03 have white sugar use that if you can't get brown sugar that's fine you know just let nothing stop you from growing and let nothing stop you from healing the earth making your place better doing all these things you know um i next two things are some interesting comments um valerie fletcher was saying sap from the meristems is the foundation of youth for plants and i think this comment came last week when i was talking about grabbing the plant tips to make the knf food and it's true the meristem this growing vital part of hormones and enzymes is the life that's why knf food fermented
14:44 plant juice is untouched in terms of how effective it is if you're using conventional npk based fertilizer you're using these other things they don't have the growth hormones the enzymes the plant assembled chemicals that are just perfect for the plants the things that go right into it and you can't get this through other synthetic chemistry and that's why knf is just off the hook i really encourage people to get a phd um you know become a doctor in knf and understand like study this get it into the scientific literature because a lot of times knf is poo-pooed because
15:27 we don't have the scientific literature which is absolutely not true there is papers in fact university of hawaii just brought out a paper um this past week they published which talks about how knf outperformed organic outperformed conventional brought the life the bacteria the goodness back to the soils and so there is more and more documentation so this you know the lifeblood is the meristem go get a phd on this prove it show it help it grow in that realm other comment she had was that she's more interested in the female hormone regulating
16:06 and this is something i'd love to maybe have suz in on the office hour she's been talking a little bit about urine how these hormone therapies happen female hormone regulation but also these fermented plant juices these k-n-f foods if you want to get the best intact hormones you want to get the best health food for yourself you know maybe don't go to the heart the the supplement store go to your yard harvest the weeds that are growing look up your ancient indigenous knowledge that talks about what um what hormones are great for what add a little sugar
16:42 ferment it and then super saturate it and now you got the best medicine you know i mean i my whole if you look behind me see these jars here what are those those are all kinds of ferments that i and and i am a one too that i drink all the time you know they're right there why because i fill up some water then i pour some in and i drink that and so it's these are where it's at and then the last comment um that valerie had was talking about stinging metal is great just use protection and this is a comment that I wanted to bring up because it is true not everything is good
17:18 but if through the fermentation process it can neutralize a lot of these hormones or excuse me things that are they would cause trouble in there okay and then she has a lot one last question or Valerie was on here a lot but she has a question about the bromelain in pineapples and do we need the the add the stem for faa to break it up um if you're looking for a bromelian to break down your faa quicker which i think is the active compound in the papayas that i was talking about you can just take papayas or excuse me pineapple skins which i think you can
18:00 buy pineapples all around the world they come from dole in the philippines and it's that itself is a gnarly thing. Talk about crazy agriculture. But take those skins, the ones you're not going to eat after you've cut your pineapple up, throw a bit of that in your FAA. It'll speed it up. Not a whole lot, but you don't want to increase the moisture content too much. But a compound like that will really help to speed things up. So I'm going to try and move through things a little bit quicker because I know there's some live comments here and want to get to you guys.
18:31 and I don't want to spend all day on last last week's questions I know I answer these things thoroughly but I think folks enjoy that been getting good feedback on that you know a classic thing on YouTube is to trick you guys into putting comments below to make the algorithm rise but if you do like the format let me know if you want me to speed it up whatever but Jacob was saying here he heard about algae that can protect your plants from powdery mildew bud rot and pests in one treatment after rooting i'd like me to look into it um you know the other
19:07 thing that i always talk about for for those similar problems the powdery mildew the bud rot and pest is the knf protectors the lactic acid bacteria those are if you're applying it early and often meaning like weekly or semi-weekly it is um it's where it's at you know you can get some sort of algae if you're near the ocean like i was saying think about the external cost of shipping things around um but um sure i'll look into it but um personally man the lab is is where it's at for me that's what i use um then one more comment by valerie i think she was looking for a hard copy
19:48 of this book um right now i'm not selling hard copies but i do have them available uh right here at, let's see, KNF Support. So if you go to knfsupport.com, then you click right here on this thing. You can download this book and get it e-book direct to you. If you do want a hard copy, I may do that. But the problem for me is shipping it, getting it out on time, printing the copies. but I do I may may do that for the for the holiday season coming up I know it's something that folks would love to receive under the Christmas tree instead of just a book you know
20:35 that that you get that you have to read on your tablet or phone nothing like having the hard copy where you can just look and as you're in the field pull up the recipes this is actually a little bit older edition and that's that's one reason I also do the ebook is you can get the most up-to-date version right here. But yeah, so let's see here. Four comments. Too many screens open. So let's see. Let me jump into a few live questions here, and then I'll get back to some of other ones i got so um all right hey mark marks on the stream shout out from santa cruz hopefully
21:24 that rain was good for you guys looking forward to seeing you again man been building plenty of stuff on the on the farm and farmer in socal and riverside what's up guys love california hope to be doing a aloha tour this um this spring things may be in the in the making i am going to be up in america seattle region around the end of may so we'll see if i can get those things going on um little little preview for you guys um and so yeah the same the same question on the fungicide came back here great thanks for reposting the question in um hopefully
22:10 that answered your question joe um all right so what's up knf farm yeah what's up hey um speaking of knf farm um one thing i did um i just updated the website a little bit so let me let me switch this over here to the screen and I just updated the website just a little bit. The two trainings are still up. I'm probably going to add some more coming up here. I've been trying to make it more available. I've been trying to get it into my flow so that I can do these on a monthly basis. We'll see if I can do that but I just want to show you guys a little bit. I just updated this page
22:54 yesterday and I put a little bit about our farm you know giving you a little bit more context trying to build out this website I think you know prior to this I had like I said I had the social media I had folks just knew what was up what was going on and people signing up without much info which I appreciate that faith and I appreciate you taking the gamble to come out here and you know the payouts and the rewards were just off the hook you know if you want to put some testimony out share um you know the good word what you learned here it's it's great but i put
23:30 up this thing here of the origins you know when i went to korea got inspired um but i also put up this video here the knf farm experience of my buddy tyler came out um and he shot this footage You know, it wasn't a class when he was here. So the video that we put here doesn't show much of the footage of the course, but it does show a lot of the facilities, the beauty, you know, what you get. you know if you're going to take a vacation to Hawaii why not come here stay with us get the whole KNF farm experience be integrated in with us and you know instead of just staying at some
24:12 random Airbnb you know we got the most beautiful cottages available I mean look this is our kitchen look at that pineapple there all kinds of just wonderful things but watch that video It's a short little, I think, two-minute video. Shows you kind of what you can expect from their little thing here. And, you know, want to just inspire folks. And I'll be continuing to kind of add up more information to the KNF Farm website. And I just want to go, while I'm on this, go a little bit here about the trainings and, you know, just telling you what you get.
24:50 You know, I do complete seven-day immersion intensive course, and we do level one, meaning how you use KNF. Level two, how to make the solutions, evaluate them, go step-by-step through everything, get your taste, your tongue. Like last week, I was explaining how calcium has different effects on your tongue, how to know when you're correct. And you get an instructor certification, which teaches you how to teach. and it's it's how to do a knf class but also how to teach there's a lot to it no no it's not just
25:25 like setting sitting in front of people with a powerpoint there's a lot about how to connect to your audience how to get them into the thing and you know you can read these details here also one of the best things at my farm is our livestock fundamentals we're at my barn we got the pigs, we got the chickens, we got everything there. And so you get to get hands-on experience with the livestock, which to me, you know, starting with chickens, getting into pigs, it's really how you get into KNF. It's all about the animals. You know, they are the key to
25:59 regenerating society, you know, bringing them into our ecosystem. Even if you're vegan and you're not going to eat them, putting them to work for you so that you're having this loving relationship so that they're creating your microbes and you're feeding them and they're breaking down your compost and all this. It's just amazing. And then also you get to work on the farm. So if you're thinking of getting into this, you're not a farmer yet, get a taste of it. What is it like? Get your hands dirty. Get some blisters on you. Throw some IMOs on the land. Spray things. See what equipment
26:36 we have here it's those types of things that are going to take you light years ahead when you do start your farm and if you're already farming you know check out what we do this this is a living working operational farm so again the opportunities are here to check it out and um you know look forward to sharing with you that way um jump back to these questions here a little bit um And we got here someone from Santa Rosa. If you're up there, check out Evan Sharp. And I think he's on Instagram for sure. He's a great guy. He's been doing KNF.
27:18 And yeah, so difficult to pay for your books here in Tanzania. Please advise any other mode of payment. um you know i may hook you up with like a coupon if you're having trouble paying i i you know when i get money for the book it helps me develop my farm i don't want to just give it away free because folks also you know that when you pay for the book you value it but if you're unable to get access to this i got a bunch of free resources i can get ways to get you the book um you know I don't know. I really detest Venmo. It's PayPal. Those guys are kind of,
27:58 they're onto some weird things. You know, the payment platforms, we'll see. I don't know. I'll see if I can work with you, James, see how I can get you the things. So next comment here, there may be more things coming from the natural farming community, from the Microbial Secret Society, I can't get enough. You know, I stopped doing the Microbial Secret Society because it's a lot to do a podcast. Even these office hours, you know, you see me here for an hour. It takes me, you know, an hour of prep time ahead, and it takes me about three to four hours
28:35 of after the process work to do these things. So it's one of the reasons I quit the Microbial Secret Society. I initially started it with David and we were doing a weekly thing but the relationship between us of just balancing the workload you know him having a child moving you know buying his own home me with my workload here I apologize that I'm not putting out the secret society as much as I should I love that project I may port some of this over to it and just take the audio from this and put it into the secret society
29:10 but the whole thing was inspired by the higher side chats with greg carlwood if you haven't checked that out definitely do it's the best podcast in my opinion out there besides maybe joe rogan um and the the eight dollar a month for the second hour thing was starting to build to build a revenue stream for me helped me do more of my farming by putting those out there but I felt like when I was charging folks money for it on a regular basis I had all this stress to continually put out the um the content and it just ate me into the ground and was more than I
29:49 could handle to put out on a weekly basis so hopefully I can get some of that going get those things out there but um but it's a challenge to do there's you know all the youtubers that are out there that put out weekly content, you know, they're, they're, um, it's not as easy as you think. And, you know, so if you can go into the super chat, put some money towards it, help me out. Um, you know, it's not, I'm not like wanting just like, you know, quid pro quo, like money. It's, it's about gathering with your, you know, the right hearts,
30:22 the right minds, the right reasons, the right things like the I Ching said, um, you know, even you know i've done this for free for years i'll continue to put stuff out for free it's for you guys it's when i see the successes it's when people email me and i see um you know folks around the world i've been helping a guy here locally who has a farm in the philippines um and it's when i go to visit him on a weekly basis and he tells me dr drake you've changed my operation where i used to have chickens dying off and now he's getting into goats
31:04 and he had um you know he had he just transported his goats from from a different province like like thousand like a i don't know if you can drive thousands of miles in the philippines it's not that huge but way away transported these goats they were in a truck for five days and when they got there, they were, you know, they were hurting. But what did he do? He put the KNF protectors and the KNF medicine into their water. And within a few days, even hours, his goats were back. They recovered. His neighbor who got the same goats in the same delivery took them over a month
31:43 to recover. They're still not back to normal. And so it's these kinds of things. It's these tips. It's this knowledge, this wisdom, this getting it to people who are in destitute situations, getting it to people, even first world people who want to eat better, who want to be healthy, who want to save the climate, who want to clean the ocean, all these benefits that KNF gives you. That's why I'm here. That's why I'm delivering it. And if I do get money, then heck, it helps me stay alive. It helps me keep my property. It helps all these things.
32:18 And so however, you know, whatever, the more we can have this exchange, the better off we are. I don't want to rant too much on this. I want to get back to some questions here. You know, eyewitnesses talking about the social media and getting off it and been off it for years. Highly recommend you get off Facebook, except for maybe like for me, I just created an account that only goes to the Korean Natural Farming Group. because there's too much that feed. It's mind control. It started to just drive me down this thing of like where I'd get upset and then I'd put out certain information,
32:55 but it would only share with people that are already into that information, like central banking and all these things that are just like, you know, if you don't know about that, research it. You know, research 9-11. Research these things where it's not to say like go be some crazy conspiracy theorist, But there's a lot of truth out there that the mainstream, the censorship, these things, they just don't even allow a voice to enter. So I don't want to go too much on that tangent and turn YouTube into my Facebook and get a bunch of, you know, crazy stuff here.
33:26 I really want to keep it strict to KNF. But get out of the Facebook feed. Get into the KNF group and other groups that can inspire you. You know, if you want to go really out there, I'm into some Tartarian groups. And one guy on the internet, John Levi, check out his YouTube channel. It'll bend your mind. Whether it's true or not, I don't care. But to understand that there's different points of view and to hold these points of view without judging them, without getting into the, you know, like getting so defensive and fighting and hostile. Like that's why I got off Facebook.
34:05 And I've never done Twitter. And, you know, in my Instagram, I used to just put out things, but it was mostly the herbal community that was tuned in, which it's great. I love you guys. But Instagram's terms of service are crazy. So again, said I wasn't going to rant about this here. I am ranting about it. But these questions, these things, you know, going out there. let's see here let's see oh man how did this thing scroll so fast i wish this scrolling thing was better here so um okay so i'm not sure where i lost my spot in the chat because i scrolled it
34:45 but um okay so here um let's see um i've had a hard time so domi 2001 is saying i've had a hard time to understand how to work with the nutritive cycle with my one-year-old hazelnut orchard. Hazelnuts are wind-pollinated. How would you go improving the pollination with KNF? So, number one thing I would do to improve pollination is A, get a beehive, right? You know, bees are the natural pollinators. Whatever you think are the pollinators, get those animals involved number two is right before about two weeks before these plants are going to go into
35:35 your flowering before they emit flowers this is called the changeover period i also call it the puberty period and if this time you can get out there and you can spray them all with knf structure which is the water soluble calcium phosphate and you can spray that your plants will hold more um flowers on and if they usually drop them and they will um they'll what do you call like um like it'll help it go through that puberty phase the hardest thing is going from a juvenile to an adult and that's the puberty phase and that is like where you know with kids in humans you get
36:21 acne you get all this and your hormones go crazy um you know you have these huge growth spurts which for me when i was a kid growing so fast i had problems with my knees because i grew so fast that is just a very hard time so if you want that pollination to happen better the calcium phosphate it'll also help your flowers to become more fragrant because um calcium helps the nutrients move that phosphate helps the flowers become strong it also gives the roots a boost during that phase and that's the most important to get that transition to help going over
36:56 so in the hazelnut orchard you know what can help you the best is the the knf structure of course you don't want to just go out spraying one thing at a time you want to mix that you know you want to take in KNF structure is in the maintenance formula. So what is it? It's one to 500 of some kind of KNF food. And in that case, when you're in that transition phase, you should probably make the KNF food from unripe fruits, from fallen hazelnuts from last year, those types of things. So one to 500 KNF food. Number two is KNF cleanser, which is a vinegar, typically made
37:38 apple cider vinegar i make banana vinegar or in korea they make it from brown rice vinegar all of those are great so one to 500 the cleanser one to one thousand knf medicine which is your oriental herbal nutrient and because those are so potent herbs putting one to one thousand of the knf knf medicine out there really helps to ensure that reproductive process goes smooth but also just helps boost the general immune system of your plants and the third or excuse me the fourth component of it is knf structure because you're always wanting to boost your roots everything
38:18 calcium helps things move and um that that um you know the phosphates and those things really help to provide robust plants it's one of the npks phosphorus and this is water soluble so you're getting that directly into your plant so if that can help you spray that during the transition period, especially with the unripe fruits as your can of food, and I think it's going to help you a lot. Understanding the maintenance, excuse me, understanding the nutrient cycle is one of the most difficult things. I hope to cover that more. I don't have the paper in front of me that has
38:58 it kind of broken down really easily, but I'll cover that maybe next week here in detail. so healing earth remediations is saying i believe i made a mistake with my pig pen i didn't do a first layer of six inches of biochar i did a light dusting of biochar in the top two foot layer of logs then i did a large layer then i did my layer of wood chips let me tell you i did not do the biochar in my pig pen either you don't need a six inches of biochar on the bottom You do need some biochar, and when I say need, it is extremely helpful to mix some biochar into the top layer of wood chips.
39:43 You know, for my pen, which is a, sorry to use feet here because it's a global audience, but it is a 12 by 14 pig pen. I mixed about a five-gallon bucket of biochar into that material. And each time I add more wood chips, I try to add a five-gallon bucket of biochar in. What that helps is it helps the fungus store moisture. It helps the microbes live and gives them kind of a motel, hotel, holiday inn to stay in. And it helps them, you know, just mitigate smell. Carbon's a great buffer. So if you didn't put a six inches of biochar at the bottom, that's totally fine.
40:29 uh it's the reason it's recommended to put a six inch layer of biochar at the bottom is because any moisture anything that gets through is stopped by that layer it provides a great buffer the microbes will actually create mycelial connections through your wood chips at the top through the logs and into the biochar and manage the water and the moisture and transfer all that stuff in ways that we don't even know it's like running trillions of micro pipes that they can do all these things anything that's toxic in the top layer they can store safely down there anytime
41:05 they need something that was toxic before which is just an element out of balance they can bring it up and and use it so they never run into deficiencies that's why the more you use biochar on your farm the more you use it in their animal pens um the better results you're going to get because a toxin is just something out of balance in the present moment it doesn't mean it's not a resource for later. So the microbes take that imbalance, store it in the char, and then later when they need it, they can bring it back up and put it back into the things where they need them.
41:40 So that's the reason for the biochar in all these. And if you didn't add it to the bottom, don't worry. You didn't make a mistake. Just add it to the top, maybe add it more often, and you'll get it there. So Old Smoke is asking, I have access to a bunch of grapes, crates full. How would be the most beneficial way to utilize this for growing medicinal herbs? Grape, anyone who's doing medicinal herbs, if you're able to take a fruit and make a fermented fruit juice, plant juice, I just, I call it all can of food.
42:21 There's not really a difference between in terms of the, just the difference is the amount of sugar you're adding. So take those grapes, add an equal weight of brown sugar, smash those things. Get all that juice, let it ferment for about a week, then pour that juice off. Now when you add these fruits, what you can do is you add it during the last three weeks of coming into before harvest. and you can get different flavors coming through. And what it helps to do is build the plant's secondary metabolites, which are all kinds of terpenes and all kinds of different profiles,
43:02 those things that make K&F herb different than any other herbs. And that flavor, those things coming through, that's the best way you can utilize it. Sometimes people can get flats of old strawberries, those types of things, old fruits. the one thing about it is that if you're getting store-bought fruit most likely it has been treated with some sort of antifungal thing or washed or like dipped or some sort of thing so if you can take a little bit of lab and rinse your fruits with those first those will help to eat off any
43:38 waxes any contaminants anything that was put on it at the store by touching by handling the more commercial you go with your fruit the more the contamination levels higher those types of things yeah so so that's the best thing you can do with those grapes is turn them into a knf food and apply them towards the finish again like i was just saying with the flowering you also want to include vinegar which is the cleanser the calcium phosphate and the medicine so almost always you use this in a maintenance solution if you're just applying straight up
44:17 can of food especially in a greenhouse situation you may cause fungal blooms but the vinegar and the medicine totally combat that keep your mildews away especially if you're having mildew problem throw a little bit of the protectors the lactic acid in there you won't have those problems okay so always can f isn't about juicing things bringing them to like overloading them with nutrients it's about balance it's about giving the plant a relaxed state so that it can express its natural potential just like you if you're stressed out you have a real hard time performing
44:57 well but if you're well fed you got the resources you need you're balanced you i hope you naturally want to become more productive and a better citizen and same is true the plants same is true the microbes korean natural farming is all about restoring balance to nature and in our agricultural systems where we've imbalanced things we've we've monocropped we've removed from the greenhouse or from from that from the nature so bring those microbes back in bring that balance bring those foods back in you know in a forest things fall start rotting that's what your plant juices are
45:34 that's what that maintenance solution is it's the balance that you're bringing back in these artificial more productive greenhouse oriented situations so here it says um eyewitness is talking about your app talks about storing seawater could you elaborate on what would be not need to be done to store seawater fermented seawater that would be appreciated okay so So seawater, I store it in five-gallon buckets. I go down to the ocean. I'm right next to the Pacific Ocean. If you see the KNF farm, it's right there. And I store it in five-gallon buckets. Key is just keep it out of direct sunlight.
46:16 Just store it in a cool area. If you can, get an underground cistern and store it down there, especially if you're far away from the ocean. Go get like a 275-gallon. Go grab a ton of water. bring it to your farm store that underwater cistern it's probably enough to run a farm for a year in my case i'm drenching it out at the rate of one to thirty so i'm using 10 gallons and i'm doing it on a 275 gallon tote so i'm using about 10 gallons a week when i drench and i just run it on a two inch pipe out and maybe i'll maybe i'll do a video on that um to show you my setup um
46:55 all right someone someone kicked down in the super chat really appreciate it keeps me going and um yeah appreciate it old smoke hope hope this brings your um your your game to the next level hope you can put the right flavors in there hope you can satisfy whoever's using this product i really appreciate it um kind of stuff like that makes it makes it way worth it um but i do it for to love anyway. Back to the seawater. Fermented seawater is a very interesting thing. You're adding a bit of starch and a bit of microbes to the solution. Fermented seawater does not store well.
47:35 So after you make fermented seawater, use it within two to three days. Those microbes are living beings. They will eat the oxygen and they will start to choke. However, fermented seawater is really good to use especially if you get a heat wave if you get a heat wave come through and all of a sudden your plants are looking like wilted and down fermented seawater will make them perk right back up it's those extra microbes it's the extra minerals it's that little bit of fermentation that it just is a great stimulant for bringing things back up and because it always
48:13 is asked when i talk about seawater am i going to over salt my land no when you dilute one to thirty you're actually it's the it's just giving them minerals it's not building up you know sodium chloride or these other things it is the same salinity as your blood it's diluted enough that you're not going to build things up if you're worried about over salinity the answer is biochar The answer is humic acid. The answer is add more organic matter to your soil. So let's see here. Take one more live question. I'm going to jump back to some older questions and then jump back to the live.
48:50 So last show you talked about the use of maltose. Can you please talk some more about it? In fact, that's a great transition to this. I got a question coming to me about the maltose. and the question I got from Julia was asking if the maltose needed to be sun-dried and so I wanted to address that to say that you know the sun drying helps because it helps to sterilize the thing the sun has uv light and it helps to kill any other bacterias other things that may be growing in the maltose but what it's used as is a growth stimulant
49:33 And if you did pull up the maltose recipe and look at it, you would learn a lot about it. I just, because I got this book in front of me, and I want to just read a little bit from this. This is Master Cho's ancient recipe book that I happen to. It's like, you may find a copy of this online, but I happen to have something of it. and it says it's also possible to make it from sweet potato and taro for making maltose and let's see here what does it say okay so so how to use maltose you dilute it in water one to
50:23 500 use it with other natural farming materials if maltose is applied to a rice paddy field rice straw can be decomposed rapidly by the action of enzymes. So what maltose is, is these enzymes that help accelerate composting, especially rice holes, highly carbonaceous things. And maltose also helps to make soil foundation. So when you're doing soil foundation, you're making things happen, you want to apply soil foundation. Maltose, these enzymes, these things in maltose can be highly used. It can also be used for seedling treatment because maltose is kind of
51:05 like the sprouted barley. You may have seen sprouted seed tea as some people say that's a KNF thing, although it's not really, at least not from Master Cho. I'm not sure if it even comes from Korea, maybe other regions that have developed KNF. But because maltose is sprouted barley, you get those sprouting hormones, those sprouting enzymes in there. So when you add it to your seed soak it can really be a benefit to do that and again the ratio is about one to five hundred and i think the recipe is in the i linked to it last week and again if you want to find that recipe
51:41 let's see here i'll just show you real quick here on natural farming hawaii.net and then under recipes under these legacy recipes here you click on that guy and it is right down here under maltose and i'm not going to pull it up right now because um we'll see here but let's see um other things about maltose it helps for dampening off root rot and soft rot so again these enzymes these hormones that you get from the maltose. You start to water it in. If you're getting, you know, dampening off right when you're transplanting things, things are dying, it'll help with that.
52:27 And anytime it has, you know, it says affected by physiological or environmental damage, lower high temperatures in the early growth stage, maltose will help. So for me, I'm transplanting some kava out into the field. I probably should, in my transplant, soak, take my kava, soak it into the SES. I call it seed solution. It's a lot easier than SES. That's the old vocabulary. But putting a little maltose in there will help. And then the last thing here is, it says in this book, is maltose helps when livestock suffers from loss of appetite.
53:08 so if for some reason your animals are not eating as much put some maltose in there it'll probably help to break those things down get them get them going back and bring them back to life so i was talking a little bit about that earlier that's something that you know there's so much info in knf it's hard to keep it all in your mind probably should have recommended that to my my friend in the Philippines as well. So a little bit on Maltos there for you guys. And let's see here. I was going to pull up a little bit of these older questions here. Let's see. We got, I'll bring this over here.
53:52 All right. Well, let's see. There was no questions in this, but a lot of people are thankful. That's That's great, pulling up the old chat here. So Ronnie from Israel is asking me, they have a commercial deciduous trees, apples, peaches, plums, almonds, growing in a very dry and arid desert, and he would like to understand if and how to transform part of the orchards from advanced modern cultivation organic methods to KNF. and let me just say that um this is a common question people are asking how do i transition
54:34 from i i'm i'm growing things are things are good you know you're using these things but there's expenses there's all kinds of things happening how do i transition to knf the number one easiest way to do it is to go follow the im01 recipe to go to get your indigenous microbes from your area from your forest get you know the recipes in the book i'm not going to cover it right now because i'm assuming there's other resources you can find how to do this you want to learn more about it check out you know my other talks on this do make sure you bury the box so there's some other guys
55:10 on youtube that don't show burying the box they just sit on the surface bury the box just a little bit capture these things and um then take that make it add it to your liquids if you've already got a spraying program add that liquid imo to your spraying program you're already doing organic teas you're already doing biodynamics whatever you got you know do it this way um if if not i mean majority of what i recommend is liquid applications so if you're not already doing something liquid and you're conventional and it's all soil based then you probably have a compost spreader take
55:49 your compost and pour a bunch of your liquid imo make a liquid pour it into your compost now take your compost spreader and spread that now you're getting these indigenous microbes if you're already doing conventional organic high-tech modern stuff you're already doing good things The only thing you want to start to do is start to integrate these indigenous microbes into your practices. I don't recommend people just all of a sudden try to transition and try to immediately jump over and do something new. Just start to integrate the IMOs into your liquids, the things you're spraying.
56:29 If you're applying biochar, if you're applying compost, soak these things with the indigenous microbes. Just wet them with these things. get it over get those things in there that is the way to start transitioning that is the way to bring these things about because you were talking about the desert i do want to share this website right here which is again the microbial secret society and if you go to microbialsecret.org which i think i'll link below in the show notes um check out under under micro celebrities check out sam bevins
57:07 because he was in Israel asking me about how to grow in the desert. And I did two really good episodes with him. One is about, you know, irrigating without water. We talk about how microbes will pull water out of the air for you as you build this thing. We talked about polymorphism, which means taking your microbes and they will adapt to the situation that's there. It's not just like, oh, I have this microbe. It does this job. But actually, the microbes themselves, especially as you get diversity, they will adapt and transform to actually fill the niche of what you have.
57:42 And then we talked about Bechamp, which is, you know, germ theory versus terrain theory. So again, episode 32, excellent. Love talking with Sam on this. And then again here, the first time I had him on the show, episode 24, we were talking about, you know, desert KNF. How do you farm in the desert? How do you do this? You know, and how do you farm without water? again these ideas um you know he's talking about organic um hydro aeroponics versus regenerative agriculture um you know and and how how all these things come together so if you want to check those
58:21 out they're there um awesome easy i've done a lot of talking on that and love those resources so let's see here i got a couple a couple more questions that i want to get to i'm almost at the end of the the hour here but i'll give you guys a little bit of bonus here just to finish up these questions from last week so that i'm on time and on delivery here um and this question was from irma and she's asking oh this this one I really wanted to get to and she was talking about Dr. Elaine Ingham's work and her opinions of KNF and you know she's always kind of poo-pooed
59:09 KNF and in 2012 when she came here I was able to sit down with her during the lunch breaks it was a very small class about 20 of us if you want to check it out it is on my YouTube it's called Elaine Ingham Common Ground 2012. And it's all 28 or 30 hours of her lecture out there. And but she kind of, I've heard from other people that she was kind of papooing natural farming, like as if it's a bunch of people rolling rice balls through the forest trying to catch IMO. And she always recommends that instead of using rice, you use barley, which you can use a bunch
59:46 of different medias to collect your IMO. But she's saying here that, you know, IMOs are always growing anaerobic biology and pathogens are mostly anaerobic and should be avoided. That itself is a fallacy. That if you go and look under the microscope, Korean natural farming, the process that's outlined by Master Han Kyu Cho, actually collects a fractal of what's in your forest and what's there. Elaine kind of leaves you a bit short when she just says make good compost, which means aerobic, hits certain temperatures, does certain things, breaks down material.
1:00:26 I'm not going to say that it's not a good way to do it, but we did do a trial on Maui, Elaine versus KNF. So the soil food web methods of good compost, the soil food web guys with the compost showed up with two for a tomato trial showed up with two dump trucks of compost they applied it it worked well the korean natural farmers showed up with a minivan with a few inputs in the back meaning we as few solutions we had the microbes plus the soil um soil solution so that's you know the plant juice and all those things outlined in the book um and we applied the
1:01:10 things after i think a month into the trial over a long weekend the irrigation got cut the soil food web compost ones fell down the knf natural farming ones fell down the people running the trial panicked they called master cho's daughter on the phone they said what do we do she said turn the irrigation back on we turned the irrigation back on the korean natural farming plants stood back up the compost plants stayed down so if you're gonna take that to be like that's super hand wavy super anecdotal i don't even have a video i don't even have pictures
1:01:48 it's almost a story and legend now but do the trials yourself take korean natural farming versus organic methods and try them and if you go look at the the video on my youtube it's it's It's called Korean Natural Farming Documentary. It's a clip from the movie In Search of Balance. And Dr. Kun Hui-wei, who just released another paper on Korean natural farming, talked about how Korean natural farming made the soil about 24 inches in terms of its soil compression test. Organic methods made it about 8 inches, and the conventional had about 3 inches or something.
1:02:31 And so when you talk about what can Korean natural farming do, when you do it properly, it's beyond just composting. And there are ways to make compost, like I was saying earlier, by integrating these IMOs into your recipe. So, you know, I mean, Elaine's super scientific. She's all about the microscope. I suggest you go that route. I don't want to be a hater on Elaine. She's a friend of mine. You know, but, you know, the proof is in the pudding. You can argue methods all day. You can argue anything you want. But the end of the day, it's which worked in the field, which was better.
1:03:09 And so, you know, I'd love to have Elaine study this better. She's one of the preeminent scientists in the soil food web. She's a legend in her own right. She's a great person. Her info is great. When I took her class, she gave me this huge booklet with all her slides in here. um detailing everything you need to know she taught me how to evaluate soil biology i i owe it to her for the microscope she also has this book out the soil biology primer which teaches you all it's a very short book but it teaches you all about the different types of
1:03:48 you know arthropods and all these different things of what you know you want to get to know know the soil the soil fungi you know there's so many great resources so i want to be positive supportive of her like attracts like i want to talk good about her i'd love if she talked great about us and i think that there's no reason to fight in the realm of regenerative agriculture we're all doing our point part to build better soil we're all doing our part to to use the resources around us and um you know this is where we need to come together and to to understand all
1:04:25 this stuff scientifically you know not just this hand waving but again the proof is in the pudding okay so i've got three more questions and then i'll answer the the last live questions um next time i know i'm i'm about four minutes over already which is great i mean i you know i enjoy my sunday mornings doing this ranting you can see uh maybe you saw suz earlier bring me some food I almost feel like I'm getting over talking too much time for some OHN restore my health but okay so I got a guy from Mao Camacho who sent me an email from Indonesia shout out to Indonesia
1:05:06 and all the great people working out there so he has three questions which is is he produces forests using a Japanese technique that involves digging out a meter of soil and mixing it with amendments. This is to accelerate the conversion of crappy soil into forest soil. I have been using Jadam Microbe Solution as my microbial solution to great success. Awesome, good choice, especially in a low-budget situation. It's probably going to be one of the easiest ways to get microbes. but he's been wanting to use KNF microbes which I recommend because JMS the Jadam microbe solution while good
1:05:50 is not actually the soil microbes they're more of prebiotics than the probiotics the KNF microbes are probiotics but my book says not to bury the KNF microbes so he's concerned that he would be spreading it under a meter underground. So he wanted to seek my wisdom on the best way to conduct an experiment to give the little guys a best chance to do their thing. So what you're talking about, digging out a meter of soil, it sounds intensely, really energy intensive to dig up a meter of soil, mix in amendments, and then rebury this. What I recommend is you do the stuff in situ,
1:06:36 that you spread the KNF microbes on the top, that you water them down, it may seem like you are getting a benefit and a boost in your initial, like if I dig a hole and I plant things in the first, and I amend it with all kinds of things, what happens is those plant roots grow out here and they're in this, Master Cho calls it like spoiling your children. Your forest will grow, they'll reach there, they'll get all this great growth. But as soon as they hit the edges of where you've amended, Those roots are spoiled and rich and they're not used to penetrating out beyond that.
1:07:12 So often what will happen is you'll get great growth for the first year, maybe the first three years. But ultimately, after about three years, five years in, that forest will get disease because what happens is those roots start to reach out. They hit the walls. There's no nutrients beyond that. They're not used to reaching into poor subsoil. They're not used to reaching beyond that. and then they start to fold in on themselves just like you're growing in a pot and you get you know root tangles they start growing in and they don't reach out and at that point your forest
1:07:45 starts to die so what looked like this immediate success because you put so much time and energy into it in the long run is actually detrimental it's just like raising spoiled children they look great at first but then you put them out on their own and they're like why isn't mommy and daddy still giving me money they have to make it in a hard knocks you know and and life is not as easy as that is so not to say i don't want you to like change your you know technique too radically but try and experiment and the hard part about this is it's going to take a few years to see this result
1:08:17 to see this change but i really recommend just using the technique i did last time like when you go to plant the tree instead of digging a pit and trying to amend a meter of soil just dig a shallow cone about 10 centimeters 15 centimeters deep that's a cone put your tree in the center of that cone it'll then reach out then amend right around the top of that thing so that the roots are encouraged to reach out continue to amend out amend out the roots will reach this way you're not raising spoiled trees that are just always looking for these amendments it'll be less time less
1:08:53 energy and that type of experiment i really recommend and you look over it at the long term it's it's because if you're doing a forest it's not about today it's not about next year it's about the next seven generations it's it's how is that forest going to be years from now are we able to sustainably harvest the timber where are we going with this so you know you may get great results with this current technique but if you want long-term results i recommend doing that also taking a bit of biochar and putting it on the surface big chunks like fist-sized chunks put
1:09:27 two or three of those around each tree the microbes will store excess moisture there store excess nutrients bring that in when it needs it you'll get great results but again i don't i don't want you to change your whole process right away give an experiment give it a try i guarantee you'll see guarantee yeah that it'll work better that's the natural process that's the way to build strong robust trees and so his second question is there a difference between the power and effectiveness between imo4 and liquid imo the answer is yes imo4 is a solid amendment that you put around the
1:10:08 areas to amend liquid imo is something liquid that you'd spray when you are growing um to make liquid imo you're usually taking either imo2 which i call seed imo or imo4 which i call activated imo and you're bubbling those things the bubbling process is changing the microbes to live in a very convenient easy relationship it's also taking them from soil-based moving them to hydro-based and then putting them back soil-based so the benefits of liquid imo it's easy to make if If you're already liquid-oriented, it's easy to spread. It's easy to spray. You can get it up into your canopy.
1:10:51 That's always, you know, you can get that microbial protection directly into your canopy. It's also sometimes cheaper because I can take one five-gallon bucket of IMO, which for me treats, you know, what is that? It's four pounds per hundred square feet. And I think a bucket weighs about 30 pounds, so that's, you know, I don't know. I don't want to do math live and have a mistake here. And it's sad that we can't do the mental math today, a further sign of our degraded society. But that'll make thousands of gallons of liquid IMO.
1:11:33 So you can take what would have been just treating a few hundred square feet and change it into treating, you know, acres. and you deploy it out at about 25 gallons to 100 gallons per acre, depending on your dose and how deep you want it to get in there. And you can treat, you know, like 1,000 gallons will treat, I don't know, lots like 25 acres or something. I don't trust my math live. Do the math. I have, you know, I usually rely on spreadsheets, which I think is why lazy mental math. Sorry, but so there is a difference between them.
1:12:08 i i you know if you can make it i recommend making imo4 to spread it around in a donut shape around each tree you're going to get those soil microbes and then watering and soaking them with liquid amendments so that those microbes will establish themselves even better so imo4 is going to be more powerful but liquid imo is often more convenient so depends on your time energy machines everything you have on what you're going to do. Okay. Third and final question here. Thanks for hanging in there. Love you guys. Thanks for tuning into the office hour.
1:12:47 Maybe I should call it the office hour in 15 minutes. So he asks, we are also starting tree sapling nursery. I've seen a tiny bit of KNF about seed soaking solution, but would like to know more, as well as if there are any KNF recommendations to nursery-related things, such as growing medium. Lastly, at what stage of the tree growth can I begin to apply KNF solutions? So, compound question here is a trick question, three questions, and the last question. So, nurseries, these things, using liquid IMO when you're watering, huge benefit. Seed soaking solution, huge benefit. The benefit to the
1:13:38 seed soaking solution is you are, like oftentimes our seeds are older, they're out. There's actually microbes in the seed inside there. So if that's missing because you took it from a disease thing or you took it for something you're using fungicides, pesticides, herbicides on, it's going to have less so if you take those seeds soak them in this new microbial solution these nutrients now it absorbs that into the seed now you sow it the leaves get bigger your first dichotylins are twice as big and that really helps another thing in a nursery situation is
1:14:13 disease can sometimes be rampant because you're putting these things out so put in um the protectors, KNF protectors, 1 to 1,000, 1 to 700 if you're really having troubles. And those are, I used to call them emergency workers. And when you have new nursery things, they're emergent. They're doubling their leaf size hugely. That will help you. A little bit of KNF fuel. So to go back to the protectors, they're in that area. They protect it. They keep those leaves from getting disease when there's rapid growth happening.
1:14:52 Other thing, a little bit of can of fuel into your mix following the leaf growth solution helps your plants grow. When they're early stage growing, lots of DNA replicating, those amino acids help your plant grow. And for a medium, this is the one place where you can mix in whatever medium you have and include about 10 of that with imo4 and i know i said not to bury it but in a small pot where you have something that imo is not buried enough where it's cut off from oxygen especially since most potting mediums are you know have perlite you're you're encouraging
1:15:31 it to have airflow all those things so do mix it into your your potting medium a little bit it's not the same as burying it meters deep it's not the same as putting it out into your soil burying it in a nursery situation 10% IMO4 this is directly for Master Cho when he was in Popeye Co there was this exact question asked what should we use as a growing medium and this is what he recommended so it's straight from my master's mouth and lastly at what stage would I use KNF i would use it in all stages mixing the right mix for the right stage understanding the growth
1:16:09 cycles understanding the nutrient cycle is super um convenient and all of that um and yeah so i i would always use it you know and also don't forget to use it yourself to drink fermented plant juice to drink those vinegars to drink those ohns now you're going to be stronger You're going to go out to your nursery. You're going to be pumped. You're going to get microbes the whole way through. If you grow a beard, you're going to be shedding indigenous microbes everywhere. This is the beauty of what we're doing. You can fully supersaturate yourself in it.
1:16:45 And so last, before I sign off here, I know I've been talking a lot because my voice is a little bit sore even. I've been such a hermit on a farm this year. But he has this crazy idea of making it out to the farm. Let me tell you, it is not crazy. If you can make it here to Hawaii and you can spend this week, it will change your life. You will get these downloads. My mom always talks about this, like where there's a transmission from teacher to student. And you can watch YouTubes all day. You can get these things all day. But if you're here, you're in the presence. There's a mana.
1:17:23 There's an energy. There's something that is transferred between us. There's a remembrance. there's something that happens so it's by no means is it a crazy idea it's still possible to travel um you know come out do it while you can um stay here it's beautiful it's relaxing you will leave so energized so pumped up so ready for what you're going to get into um and so he's saying you know he doesn't have a farm yet get into it here learn about it um you know if you if you're hear to learn it's better and my instruction course is only done in person it um there's a
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