Potassium Hydroxide Soap Safety, Raw Milk LAB, IMO Pile Surfaces
Drake just got married and spent ten days on the mainland, where Royal Flush Farms in the Idaho/Boise area shared cured pork, eggs, tinctures, and salves made through natural farming. Back home, a viewer asked about potassium hydroxide (KOH) for soap: keep it sealed and bone dry, wear goggles and gloves, and keep vinegar close by — only vinegar, not water, stops a lye burn.
Drake walked through making "disgustingly cheap microbes" with a friend in Washington: mashed potatoes, salt, and soil from under an old blackberry bush in a five-gallon bucket, bubbling in three to four days. That one bucket gets diluted into three or four more before it's watered onto beds. He also cut spreading bamboo shoots, chopped them with about a pound and a half of sugar to draw out juice for food, and paired it with apple cider vinegar — one shot glass of each per five-gallon bucket — as a cleanser.
On lactobacillus: raw milk works fine for LAB even though curds come out softer, and price should decide whether to use raw or pasteurized milk. One viewer has been dumping 200 gallons of LAB tea, diluted around 1:1000, into his pond and says it's clearing the water and stopping algae blooms. Diluted LAB, one shot glass per five-gallon bucket, also speeds up compost breakdown by about half.
For IMO piles, cardboard works but gets soggy, plywood's glue is questionable, and concrete or particle board should be avoided entirely. Drake still deals with mold on his own roof from doing too much IMO work nearby, and cleans it with vinegar and lactobacillus every eight months or so. For humic acid, collect worm juice fresh or run water through good compost repeatedly until it runs dark brown. Fizzy, filmy LAB usually means it needs a finer filter, like a t-shirt, and a proper supersaturation.
Questions answered
- 12:09 What precautions for potassium hydroxide (KOH) when making soap? — Keep it sealed and dry, wear goggles and gloves, and keep vinegar on hand — only vinegar stops a KOH burn, not water.
- 26:30 How do you make 'disgustingly cheap microbes' (JMS) at home? — Mash potatoes with salt and microbe-rich soil from under old growth in a 5-gallon bucket; it bubbles in 3-4 days, then dilute into 3-4 more buckets.
- 34:59 Should you turn a compost pile, and how do you speed it up? — Don't turn it, let it sit; to speed it up, water in diluted LAB protectors, about one shot glass per 5-gallon bucket.
- 37:25 What can I do with date seeds if I can't grow dates in my zone? — Try a sprouted seed tea, or just feed them to your pigs like Drake does with things he doesn't know what else to do with.
- 41:46 Should raw milk be avoided when culturing lactobacillus (LAB)? — No, raw milk works fine though curds may be softer; use pasteurized only if raw milk is worth more sold than used.
- 46:32 Can lactobacillus (LAB) help pond water quality and algae? — Yes, one viewer dumps 200 gallons of LAB tea, diluted around 1:1000, into his pond and says it's clearing water and stopping algae blooms.
- 57:23 What surfaces work for building an IMO3/4 pile: cedar, plywood, stone? — Cardboard and bare soil work, but plywood's glue is questionable, and concrete or particle board should be avoided — they get eaten or contaminate the pile.
- 59:06 Can too much IMO activity near buildings cause damage? — Yes, it caused mold on Drake's own roof; he cleans it with vinegar and lactobacillus roughly every 8 months.
- 1:01:29 How do you make humic acid at home? — Collect worm juice fresh, or run water through good compost repeatedly until it comes out dark brown.
- 1:02:25 My LAB is still fizzy with a film on top (cam yeast) — what's wrong? — It probably wasn't supersaturated — rerun it through a fine filter like a t-shirt, then supersaturate it properly.
- 1:03:28 Do I need to rip up grass before starting an IMO pile? — No, just build the pile right on top of the grass — the heat will kill it and it mixes in fine.
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In this episode
- 0:00 Intro and Welcome
- 2:20 I Ching Reading: Obstruction
- 6:38 Royal Flush Farms: pork, eggs, tincture, salve
- 7:55 Microbial Secret Society: cannabis IPM, KNF vs hydro
- 12:09 Potassium hydroxide (KOH) soap safety
- 15:15 IMO3 video: A Visual Journey
- 21:21 Latvia: IMO-inoculated goat manure
- 26:30 Mentoring a friend: disgustingly cheap microbes
- 31:06 Bamboo as free KNF food
- 34:06 LAB protectors for laundry and compost
- 37:25 Date seeds
- 41:46 Raw milk for LAB
- 46:32 LAB in ponds stops algae
- 48:14 Sacred geometry, flat earth, right intention
- 50:33 LAB and ginger (awapuhi) shampoo
- 57:23 Surfaces for IMO piles
- 1:00:00 Pure KNF Foundation links
- 1:01:29 Humic acid from worms
- 1:02:25 Fixing fizzy, moldy LAB
- 1:03:28 Building an IMO pile on grass
Transcript
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0:30 hey aloha good morning welcome to the knf office hours for june 5th 2022 and special day for me my parents it's my parents 40th anniversary so special shout out to uh to those loving parents that i that uh we work together here on the farm and uh love them so much and wherever they are out there they're actually still um up in washington area cruising around they were
1:15 just up there for our wedding um susan i just got married this past weekend and that's why i wasn't here last Sunday. I was doing something way more important in my life. Maybe not in your life, but, uh, you know, and, um, just got a call from Dr. Park yesterday. Um, and he was saying, he's like, Oh, I told him, you know, he checked in with me. He was going to send over some folks from university of nations to check out my farm, get natural farming and going across Hilo and Kona side and getting people together. And, um, and he said, you know, I told him, he's like,
1:49 what have you been up to? And I was like, I got married, Dr. Park. And he said, hey, well, great. Now we can get the second generation Korean natural farmers going. And I was like, hey, not so fast, not so fast. But yeah, so it's good. It's good to be with Suze and all that and to really get our stuff together. But before we get too deep into that, let's start with some higher inspiration here and see what the I Ching has in store. And, you know, it's not always the best one, but today is obstruction. So somehow this is what we needed to hear. And so we're going to go
2:28 with this. It says, surrounded by obstructions, one must first retreat and then seek the direction of the sage. So there's an old saying which fits this hexagram that you are caught between a rock and a hard place. In other words, you are surrounded by obstructions. As much as you may want to blame others for the difficulty, my batter is also at 15%. So as much as you may want to blame others for the difficulty, in all likelihood, the true obstruction is in your own thinking. What is called for now is a retreat into self-examination and self-correction.
3:14 Emotions of desire, fear, or anger may tempt you to take action now. But do not be seduced. The presence of these strong feelings is proof that you, You are off balance and need to steady yourself. As long as you try to forcibly achieve results, rather than carefully following the higher truth step by step, you will be obstructed from making personal progress. Whether we indulge in judgments about others, oh, whenever we indulge in judgments about others, we obstruct our own peace of mind and progress.
4:07 We should choose instead to see the best in others. Allow them to come and go as they will and turn our energies inwards towards self-improvement. Often, the faults in our own thinking are only revealed with the aid of others. you should you would be wise now to seek the advice of a qualified counselor a truth-minded friend retreat self-examination and self-correction will remove the obstructions that block your path now so who knows who knows you know as a collective when i kind of get this guidance in the morning
4:50 It's like, I just say, you know, what's what's when I pick pick one of these at one of 64 at random here. Well, at random, but by, you know, by I kind of believe we live in a simulation of ones and zeros and binary bits and all these things. And so the I Ching really lines up with this thing. And, you know, if you think about it, you know, we have 64 bit computers. That's like the most advanced tech there is out there. And there's 64 hexagrams in the I Ching.
5:16 So 64 of these things all wrap the eight on the eight and doubling and all this, you know, eight bites, eight bits, same eight, eight bits in a piece of the I Ching, um, fit in there. Um, so who knows who that was for? I'm feeling pretty good. Not necessarily. I mean, I guess, I guess to a degree I am a little bit obstructed just getting back from being away for 10 days away from my farm. And, uh, you know, and nobody does it like I do get back and it's like, Oh, disaster planning and the grass is way overgrown and things that I should have put in the ground before I left.
5:52 Um, I should have, you know, done and all these things. Right. So there's always, there's always more to it. And one of the hardest things as a farmer is leaving your farm and trust in someone else to hold it down the way you do, you know, the same care and attention, knowing where tools are to fix things knowing all these things um but hey it's a great day my parents anniversary just got married i'm stoked check it out got a ring yep suz made this for me super cool and um and also you may have noticed i got a different hat on today
6:27 it's a little bit backwards i know because uh i mirror this image because it looks better this way with the light being covered by this logo versus being just blaring at you there um but this is from royal flush farms and so i was able to check in with spencer and yarrow and earl shout out to you guys at royal flush they're up in um on the border of oregon and washington and spencer came to my wedding he was actually like the officiant and um you know helped us get all that together. And he brought a bunch of natural farm pork with him. So the whole time we
7:09 were there, we're eating just like bacon, thick cut, real nice. He smoked it himself, cured it, did all the whole nine yards. It was just epic. We had pork chops. He brought a whole bunch of eggs. Not only that, he brought a bunch of tinctures that he made. He's kind of into those, you know, that special flower that YouTube demonetizes you about talking about. Um, he brought a bunch of that stuff, brought some salves that he made and it's so nice to connect with, you know, my natural farming brethren and have them be a part of the whole
7:42 family and, and all that. So I just, I really, really appreciate that. And if you're, if you're in that region, the Idaho Boise region, uh, check out Royal Flush Farms, Spencer, Erlen Yarrow. And in fact, if you are on the, you want to learn about their kind of story on the Microbial Secret Society, when they were here in Hawaii, we did a little podcast. So let me, let me just pull this up here and show you. So I'm just going to transition this over here share like this. And, um, you know, on the microbial secret here of this episode here,
8:23 episode number 27, uh, and they're talking about this thing that I can't mention on YouTube and how to do IPM and how they transitioned from hydroponics into Korean natural farming and all that. And, um, you know, this is just a great episode with, you know, and they got the little pigs and this thing that I can't talk about on YouTube and all this. Um, yeah. And, and I think, uh, Mark knows him and it's all great. So, um, yeah. So if, you know, if you're into hearing more, you can get the first hour free on microbialsecret.org. And if you do become a
8:55 subscriber, you can get the full episode. Um, and just talking and like, look at these guys. I mean, look at these guys, they're just doing their thing, right? I'm not sure how that turns out for you when I do that. But yeah, look, there, I zoomed it out. They got the hats, these guys, they came to the wedding, they're doing their thing. Earl's running, rocking both this other guy and my garb at the same time, and just peacemakers, peacemakers. That's what natural farming is about, just having peace with each other. So I wanted to just give a shout out to
9:31 them and all the magic we made this past week. Um, and, um, yeah, Hey, yeah. So also another thing I wanted to say, you know, um, Joe's talking about just gassing up his car for 85 bucks. Um, and, uh, it says good thing, you know, Drake taught, or thank God that Drake taught me how to grow food for almost nothing. Politicians suck, you know, but don't forget you're the government, right? But I did want to just mention to you guys, you know, this video analytics here that like, for some reason, two weeks ago, when I did this office hour on what day was it? May 22nd,
10:15 for some reason, this one got 1700 views, like something happened, you know, like, look at it going up, and then it kind of peaked out here. But 1700 views on this thing, which is like super rare for my things like usually like if I look back at the other analytics here and you can see my other my other view counts from other office hours they're around like 500 uh you know 800 450 for some reason that one just about doubled and you know maybe it was the topics I was talking about maybe it was the passion I put into it but if you haven't checked out last
10:50 two weeks ago, office hour, May 22nd. Um, check it out. Cause it talks all about inflation, how to do this stuff. I was just, I got on a roll. I was just like, all right, how are we going to walk on the tail of the tiger? Right. That was number 10. We threw the I Ching, you know, and got into that and it was, it was deep. So, um, but share it with friends, family, look at, I mean, look at this thumbnail. Maybe that's why it got so many views. It's like, so emotional. It's like, ah, maybe this week we'll get this same thumbnail going. Right.
11:18 um but i'm gonna transition this back here a little bit get back to the big screen and um yeah so anyway um and then also last week i was talking to you guys about sending in some videos so i can help share what you're doing um yeah and the regenerative pig is just amazing the bacon the the oh the tenderloin oh i only got one small slice of it because the rest of the family was just gobbling it up. It was a whole bunch of people at the wedding, right? So a bunch of people came over the next day and hanging out and I only got one little bit of it, but oh,
11:54 was it good. Just, you know, I'm going to harvest a pig here pretty soon when maybe in the next two weeks we're going to harvest a pig and I'm looking forward to that lard, that nourishing lard to put the, you know, the good brain food in there. Before I get into this, it's also eyewitness said he just ordered potassium hydroxide for soap. Anything to look out for besides breathing it in or getting it in the eyes, like storage, how to go about it if I accidentally spill it on my scale, etc. So that's a great question about potassium hydroxide. Always have some vinegar with you,
12:30 next to you. You know, if you remember that scene in Fight Club where Tyler Durden kisses the guys with no names, you know, Cornelius's hand, and then pours the powder on him and it starts burning and giving them a chemical burn, that's potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide. I'm not sure which he was using. It depends on what they're. They're probably using sodium hydroxide because they were making solid bar soap. But both those have violent chemical reactions with water. If you've ever used an MRE, meal ready to eat military heater, and you've poured the water into the MRE and you see
13:04 how hot it gets almost immediately, that's potassium hydroxide most likely creating that heat so it reacts with water so when you're storing it keep it super dry do not have water get into it make sure it's sealed anytime you're operating with it goggles even a respirator you know be careful gloves but always have some vinegar next to you if more water will not put out yeah it's cells going down more water will not put out the potassium hydroxide only vinegar will reverse that reaction it's super alkaline reaction so that acid balances the ph back out
13:40 so thanks for asking that um that's a good one um yeah and everyone knows how hard it is to leave your farm the weeds grow like a foot it does it's you know luckily i came back most my animals were still alive we lost about a dozen chickens and um the cows are still alive as far as i know i haven't i haven't checked in with them i put them out in pasture where they had access to the river I still got to move them today, but it's been rainy here. It's really, you know, maybe I'm between a rock and a hard place trying to do too much. I got a bunch of mowing to do, and it's just
14:15 it's not going to work out with the rain, and it's better I just wait till better weather. So everyone, you know, how hard it is to get away. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you know, you know, Jesus blessed in our marriage, in our vows, you know, we promised to marry God first, you know, before each other. And really, I think that's the foundation and core. If you really, truly, sincerely believe in this higher power, this higher divine source, this, you know, and whatever words you use, I mean, certain people are real attached to certain
14:48 words and like these things. But to me, it's about this, you know, the God within us, the God about us, that spirit, you know, the words of Jesus, the actions he took of love thy neighbor, follow the golden rule. You know, if we put that above all of our silly stuff and then we come together through that, I think it's going to be a lasting marriage. So yeah, I really thank you for that. And, um, so what I did want to do, um, now that I've been going at this for about 15 minutes or so is I wanted to share this video with you. I haven't watched it yet, but, um, post up media,
15:25 reached out last week. I was talking about getting some help with video editing, and that's something they do, and they sent me this video. So I haven't watched this yet. Let me transition this over here so we're here together, and I'm going to watch this to make sure the sound comes through, which I don't think it's going to. Let me just double check that the sound comes through with you guys on this, but it's the first time I'm watching this. This is his IMO3, a visual journey, is what this video is called. So, and I don't think the sound is coming through on that one. So let me
15:59 double check here and get, um, let me just, uh, let's see here. Cause I want, I think this one. Yeah. Okay. So this, this one has it. So you guys, I won't be in the picture here at all, but that's okay. You don't need to see me this whole time. And I'm going to transition over to this one. And did it do it? Yeah. Okay. And right monitor podcast mic. Podcast. Okay. Hang on. Hang on one sec. Let me add in a source here. An audio input capture. Hang on. And let me grab what's going to come out of my speakers here.
16:48 And I think, oh, I just added that to the wrong one. Hang on. Hang on. Okay. No, you guys should have this now because I will be in the corner. Okay. But I think you'll be able to hear the, hear what's going on. So let me see. no okay this sounds still not coming through for you guys hang on one sec let me see if i can figure this out just one sec here sorry to do this live but adding audio output capture that makes sense not an input and there's no output devices why not okay well all right well you
17:31 guys are just gonna have to do it on mute there's really unless I put my my headphones to the um the thing here so let me let me delete out this guy well let me just leave it as is right now but I'm gonna put my my my headphones up to the thing so you guys can hear so hang on Okay.
18:18 Oh look at that beautiful ammo one. Oh my gosh. Super smart to do it in a wheelbarrow like that. Get it all mixed together. This looks epic. oh they got a nice tarp nice texture look at that got the right moisture content oh yeah
19:13 Nice temperature coming up. Turning it as a team, way to go. Oh yeah, my ciliating. Dang, that came out nice. Oh my gosh. yeah so how was that one i mean just awesome when you know when i get sharebacks like that
20:04 did you see how good his iam a1 collection was and then you know just coming back and uh uh seeing seeing just uh you know like you see just like this is the beauty of it like here sitting here in Hawaii but able to like inspire folks around the world inspired you know like now this is happening and now out in Panama these indigenous microbes are going to be concentrated going to his garden there you know um this is this is what you know it really like talk about um doing doing the right things and doing you know what what makes sense here
20:46 that's awesome it's awesome it's so smart so smart to do it in the wheelbarrow and and someone in the comments here uh stone mason's talking about the dog licking his lips was the best part it's like oh that's classic yeah the dog my dog always fiends when i make it out of the dog food he's like I want that it's like no man we're gonna feed this to trillions of microbes and sure my dog will eat a little bit of it while he's going and get his bit and parts but uh yeah okay so um and then also uh my good friend George uh up in Latvia sent me uh sent me a video
21:29 as well that I wanted to share with you guys and not sure if this one has sound but um if it does, I'll see here. So I'll transition over. He sent me this one on the Instagram. And let's see. I haven't watched this one either, so you guys get to watch it with me live. Oh, there is some sound. Let me see if I can maximize this thing. Is there a way? No. No. Oh yeah, you see that mycelia growing? Oh yeah, he totally inoculated this epic and just...
22:17 Yeah. Yeah, so as he's taking the goat manure and putting that and then putting the... the, you know, the ultra cheap microbes on there. Look at his beds. Look how nice that is. Wow. And he got the kids. He got the kids out there too. I mean, like what, what could be better than doing farming that's like available for your kids, available for you to do this. I mean, you see those microbes, you see that mycelia growing there and his sprouts. I mean, it's cold where he's at and
23:02 it's already starting to take off and go and just like, I mean, so this, I appreciate these share backs, you know, and then I get to share it with everyone who's tuned into these, you know? And so it's like, it's a really nice way to like, just inspire each other and to be like, Hey, you know, we got, we got all this and we're just helping each other. And, uh, and when you see this and it's spreading around the world, this is, you know, last week, this is what gives me hope. You know, this is what, like, it's not just me fighting the man by myself. It's like,
23:31 we're given tools to each other so we can love the man that we can feed everybody that needs it, that we can feed all this soil. You know, he says it's hashtag save soil. And it's like, yeah, build up, grow this stuff, put those goat manure, inoculate it. It's going to break it down and make it bioavailable and just give these things to your plants and make it so much better that, you know, and Brandon or Braden here, sorry, Braden is talking about, you know, he has to leave his farm for eight months to, you know, to go to Michigan. It's like, well,
24:03 man, before you go put a bunch of this microbe out there so that as your grass gets taller and if things, you know, things are going to get overgrown, or if you got somebody there, it's like the microbes are going to be making it more fertile. So when you come back, it's like, at least in the meantime, if, you know, you've increased your fertility and, and that's, that's the beautiful thing about what we're doing. It's like, it's so easy to, to really, you know, just a quick microbial solution and you're on your way. You're making it happen,
24:32 you know? And yeah, and then I got one more share here. This one is coming from PostUp Media as well here. And I just transition back to this one here. But he says, we made IMO with dog food and wood chips, wood shavings. That's what's in the video. we made a second batch two days ago with rice bran and wood chips 48 hours later check out this action bless up and long live the natural farmer but look at look at this microbial bloom out like look look how beautiful that is of just you know and that's the cool thing about trying trying
25:12 different materials different things you get to see this um but this this mycelia you know like look at look at those leaves in there and just i mean this this is the thing that inspires me for sure is to see, oh, nice, uh, what do they call those gators or, uh, I don't know those, those classic shoes. Um, but yeah, this, oh, Crocs, Crocs is what they call them, right? Yeah. Crocs. He's wearing some Crocs. Um, and yeah, I mean, this, this is, this is exactly where it is. So, you know, and then here, here in the chat, it's like, you know, coming up to
25:55 Michigan, stonemasons reaching out to say, you know, it's about 30 minutes away from the southern border. It's like, you know, if we can connect these, these, you know, here we're doing through the digital mycelium, but if we can bring it into the real mycelium into like how we, we connect and meeting up with each other to reinforce, that's, that's even better of what we're doing.
26:14 So if there's any questions, throw them in the chat, get into this. I mean, I know you guys mostly tuned in here, pretty regulars on this stuff. And if you watch the past Office Hours, you're probably pretty tuned into a lot of stuff. but I do got one more little kind of story of what I, uh, what I was able to do. Um, yeah. Um, is, is that I was able to, um, while, while I was up in Washington, um, a couple of people recognize me actually from the YouTube, like, like, you know, I got to meet people that have been tuned in through this right here, like this, you know, and, and I'd never met
27:01 them in real life before, you know, real life, whatever that is. Um, but they were like, oh, we watch your videos. We've seen these things, you know, it's like, um, getting to know folks. And, and I also, um, got inspired, you know, people doing, uh, regenerative agriculture, my buddy Tuck that I went to like, uh, um, a singing circle with, he, he was doing, um, like riparian reclamation of old farmland and implanting new forests on it. And that's good, as long as we keep enough food going. But it's cool to see just people that are tuned into
27:37 earth repair, people that are tuned into knowing that we have Kuleana, we have responsibility, and getting to meet people like that, where it's like, we're all on the same team. We're all working towards, you know, we should be all working towards the same goal of healing the earth, stabilizing climate, bringing water back, bringing food back, bringing abundance, all these things. So it was really inspiring to me to meet some folks that had seen, you know, what's happening here and brought that into the real world. But I also spent some time
28:12 like consulting, so to say, not really. I mean, like, I just wanted to help some friends out. So my wife's brother's house, one of his roommates is planting a nice garden in her backyard. And she, she kind of removed the sod with a machine and then was building these nice raised beds and wood chip the whole area. And for the Pacific Northwest, like that's, that's the way to do it. You know, putting enough fungal material on your paths and wood chips and like putting a couple inch layer. And then, so that all comes to life. And then she kind of had these little more
28:46 soil built up mounds. And what I recommended to her was to make the disgustingly cheap microbes. So sure enough, I talked to her that afternoon. She went down, bought a couple potatoes in a five gallon bucket, mashed the potatoes up, put the salt in. I showed her under this old Himalayan blackberry where to get the good soil. And I showed her the difference between like this soil and that soil, how it's balled up and it's nice. And as we were pulling apart this soil that had been under this or dying off Himalayan blackberry, you could see the mycelia in there.
29:22 You could see the roots. You could see it growing. And I'm like, just this top surface layer, grab that soil, put that into the bucket. So you got your potato salt and this now microbial rich soil five-gallon bucket. Let it go. Let it bubble. Sure enough, it took about three days for it to start to bubble. And then on the fourth day, I came over that afternoon. I was like, you should probably do it this afternoon because I'm used to the tropics where it overheats so quickly, but turns out she did it the next day and there was even more bubbles and it didn't
29:51 smell bad. I showed her how to, how to tune her nose into like, you know, what smells good, what smells bad, showed her all that. Um, and then, you know, and she made it while I was there. And it's so nice to like have someone under my mentorship and tutelage to be like, Hey, you can make this, you can do this. Um, and, and sure enough, now she's going to take that, that one five gallon bucket and dilute it into three other buckets so that you'll, you'll, you'll have three or four buckets that have, you know, a decent amount of it in there and fill the
30:21 rest up with water and then drench that into her, her, um, her raised beds. And, and just like you saw in George's picture, that that's, what's going to bring it to life. That's really what's gonna, you know, get the my mycelia active. And then, and then I recommended to her to also maybe, maybe get some straw that was around and put straw over the beds just to support. Cause she wants to grow like tomatoes and kales and spinaches and that flower that I can't mention here without getting demonetized. And all those things, you know, just like put those into the soil, put them
30:56 put them down and grow. And, and then, then I went, we went back a couple, a couple days later when her, her microbe solution was bubbling. And then we went into her front yard and there was all this spreading bamboo that was coming up and it would put up these really sharp shoots right in their yard. And, you know, like, how are you supposed to enjoy your yard? You're not sit down and just get stabbed by this bamboo. So I was like, look, this is a problem for you. This is like super succulent and full of growth hormone. Let's go out there and just with a little knife,
31:28 cut it right at the ground level. And we all sliced a bunch of, you know, maybe, maybe like 40 or 50 little shoots coming up and then took those and then took the, the, um, you know, pruning shears and cut those down into small pieces and then mixed in, you know, maybe like a pound, a pound and a half of sugar into this. And it started, you know, the, the juice started to be osmotically drawn out and pack that into a jar and, and, you know, taught her a little bit about this fermentation. And now she has the food component to go to, to feed those microbes she's
32:02 putting out. And then at, you know, I stopped by the Hagen store, which, um, you know, it's like, just like a, like a mini Safeway kind of thing and bought a thing of apple cider vinegar. And I'm like, okay, each time you add this food, like one shot glass per five gallon bucket, add an equal amount of apple cider vinegar with it. So now you got the food and the cleanser, like, and we just purchased that because, you know, we didn't have time to make vinegar while we're there. I was only there for, you know, 10 days and I was super busy doing other things.
32:31 and so now um now she has this little tool set of the microbes the food the cleanser and you know she doesn't have structure doesn't have all these others you know fuel all these other components but she has those tools and those are enough to like really kick start the mycelia growing into the soil to really bring this to life you know to really ensure that her garden is starting to get nutrient density growing to ensure that this you know it's just it's going to come to life. And I know by teaching her and sitting there and hands-on doing it with
33:03 her, that now she's a resource in that area. If other people want to learn, it's like, oh yeah, go check out Jessie. You know, she knows what's up and she can go and teach other people how, you know, this like just by spending about a half hour of like, you know, talking story, teaching, you know, it took us about an hour to do all the, all the plant juice and stuff. Cause we were, you know, we're kind of like hanging out while we did it. Um, but now she knows and she has all these resources you know there was there was little aspen trees popping up in her
33:31 backyard and i was like those are great candidates too but gather those early in the morning because we were there about midday and it was like the worst time to gather that's why i got the bamboo because the bamboo is much harder much more of the growth hormone in it versus something succulent like an aspen tree sprouting up or these these other like um very flowery weeds in the backyard i was like do those in the morning get those in the morning you'll get the growth hormones from them. But the bamboo was like good enough for midday. We got enough juice out of it and everything.
34:01 So it was just like, you know, amazing to share that with her. And then my wife's brother, I can call her my wife now, also has been making lactobacillus. So he's been making the KNF protectors, police, you know, whatever you want to call them, LAB, you know, this is a bunch of names for it, but they function really as our protectors. And he's been making it to put in his laundry, right? Because they want clean clothes. They want to be protected by this stuff. They want to have, you know, I have stinky gym clothes or whatever. It's like, so he's been
34:32 putting into the laundry and she asked me a question. She's like, well, you know, check out our compost pile. Do you think, you know, and someone had given her advice, like your compost is terrible and stuff. And I looked at it and I'm like, I even dug my hand into it, pulled it out and I smelled it. And it's like, there was nothing rotten smelling about it. And I told her, you know, if you ever do smell it and it's off gassing where it hits your nose real sharp, like nitrogen smelling, then just take a bit of wood chips and kind of mix them in there.
34:59 And she asked me, should I be turning the compost? And I was like, no, you shouldn't. Maybe, maybe your, your, you know, eight year old son should be turning the compost because he's strong and needs to get his energy out. But as an older person, don't even turn that stuff. I told her, you know, if you want it to break down a little bit faster, I'd just leave it static, just doing what it's doing, just continue to layer the, you know, browns and greens, the carbon nitrogen ratio, you know, following standard, um, you know, compost recipe. I was like, if you want to
35:26 accelerate it a little bit, either pour in some of these disgustingly cheap microbes in there or take the, the can of protectors that, that, um, that that's, you know, that you're using for your laundry and just dilute that, you know, one shot glass into a, into a five gallon bucket and just water it over that and that will kickstart it to start. The lactobacillus will really help your compost break down about twice as fast, especially up there because, you know, it was cold, man. I mean, for me, I mean, shoot, I'm, you know, here I am in the t-shirt here and same time,
35:58 you know, same year, but it was cold up there. You know, I could see my breath. You know, I go pee in the yard and it's like steaming and stuff, you know, like this, like to me, that's cold. And so, you know, to see these different climates and to see these different things and to be able to take solutions that work here and bring them there and have solutions work there. I mean, what an opportunity, what a gift that we can do all that, right? So, yeah, so, yeah, I'm glad you guys are getting together and going to share some solutions maybe.
36:35 Yeah, and the disgustingly cheap microbes, man, they're great for casual gardeners. You don't need much skill. It's really, you know, it's, it's kind of set it and forget it. You put it in the buckets, third around, you're good to go. Right. So getting these solutions out and getting people in with something that's simple that they can do, you know, it's great to go through IMO one, two, three, four, all the way up and get your indigenous microbes and that, that, that way to do it. And they're much more powerful and they're much more potent, but it also requires like two
37:04 weeks and three weeks and like really intensive, you know, you know, you know, the temperature gets too high. It's like it's ruined. And so just doing the disgustingly cheap microbes, just showing people, hey, look, you know, it's so cheap. It's so easy doing it. So yeah. So Mitchell here is saying I have a lot of a bunch of date seeds and I live in a zone that can't grow them without a greenhouse. So I'm curious if I have a recommendation for seed fermentation or an extraction I can put them in. Well, you know, I mean, there's an interesting
37:47 thing of like if you sprout them to do like sprouted seed tea, when seeds sprout, they put out a lot of different hormones. If you can sprout them and then take that, it's interesting because dates are a palm. So they're not, they're kind of more primitive in terms of like you had ferns and palms then you know then leafies and flowering then deciduous and all these you know this different succession throughout you know it depends you know if if you know how much of that you believe in all that but it seems logical to me um so you can do a sprouted seed tea kind of thing
38:22 um and or um i don't know what to do with the date seeds particularly maybe uh put them on etsy or eBay or say, you know, sell them to someone else who does want to grow them. I don't know. Um, yeah. Um, but there are, yeah, sprouting it, making a sprouted seed tea kind of thing and, or, you know, figuring out how to grind them up a little bit, or I'm not, I'm not exactly sure what to do. Um, you know, in my case, I'd feed them to my pigs, right? Whatever I do, it's stuff I don't know what to do and it's edible. I feed it to the pigs. They'll eat it. Um, you know,
39:00 so yeah so it's nice um you guys exchanging those things and getting those together um yeah getting getting the right IMOs here you know actually not exchanging the IMOs but getting the lactobacillus and getting the inputs I'm glad you know and I call I call them solutions I know I know some people call it inputs I call them solutions because other people have problems but we have solutions so anyway just just a little vocabulary thing there you know inputs it's like things that go in that you know it's like it's like you're always going to have to put this input
39:40 it's like solutions solutions like i'm solving problems in the soil i'm not trying to like add too much to it i'm just trying to solve problems create balance let the ecosystem roll you know that's solution oriented right and when you dissolve it you know you're making a solution right the the inputs go into a solution of water and then you have solutions you know anyway it's kind of like this interesting chemistry there um and uh yeah yeah yeah so yeah making a huge difference when you use these things i'm i'm so
40:18 goof man in here like it's it's so uh so fun to see you guys in here doing this stuff and so Thomas eyewitnesses saying I recently got done with the Elaine Ingham playlist I went to my buddy's water treatment plant and checked out his microscope in this season of my life I'm watching and expecting a kid but slowly preparing that's super cool did you I don't know if you had a camera there Thomas but if you have any pictures could share you know share that back of what you saw what you see with your solutions. I'm glad you have a microscope available to just, you know,
40:56 borrow and use. Because eventually when you get real good at, you know, natural farming and stuff, you don't necessarily need all these, you know, you don't need to look at the microscope every time. It's like, it's really good for, you know, doing compost tea analysis, compost analysis, but, you know, and also, you know, once you make IMOs, then kind of growing them out with a little bit of food to see how they sprout because they're pretty dormant in its solid form. But yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. All edible with the kids doing all that.
41:39 Yeah. So good. Good to check in with you guys there. So Brock, that's a good question. Brock, raw milk for lacto cultivation. What should be considered if using raw milk? Should raw milk be avoided? Okay, so one of my mentors teaching natural farming was Gil Karendang, and he would always say, you know, like, if you can sell the raw milk for more, sell it, and then buy pasteurized milk. I mean, he would always say that about honey. People would ask, can I use honey instead of sugar. And he's like, look, honey's worth way more. Sell the honey, buy sugar. So number one
42:19 consideration is price. If you're milking the cow and you're able to get raw milk for free, you know, cause you're milking the cow and doing this stuff, then go for it, do it. Um, but if you're buying it at a higher price, you may as well buy pasteurized homogenized milk, even though it seems kind of gangster. Um, but it comes down to, you know, price and what you want to do. Raw milk also has different types of bacterias in it that are not necessarily lactobacillus. There's other things like acidophilus. There's these other different
42:53 cultures that live in the raw milk. There's whatever bacteria introduced in the milking process, what was on your hands, what was on the teats, what was going in. A lot of the reason they banned raw milk was because they said it was propagating tuberculosis, which is only if you have really bad practices or a huge dairy farm that's beyond what it should be. There's really next to no threat of tuberculosis if you're doing raw milk correctly. But it can be used. It can be used. Your separation, you may have a little bit more streaks. It may not all turn into curds.
43:31 And it may, your cheese, your curds themselves, the cheese that comes to the top, may be a little softer. Like you can put your finger through it. But none of that's a problem. The lactobacillus that you get at the bottom is going to be broad family and it's going to be great. So I think, you know, using raw milk is a good thing. Should it be avoided? No. I mean, unless you're going to drink it all. I mean, that's the only reason I'd avoid it is like, man, I'm going to make some, you know, throw it in the blender, throw some bananas in there, frozen bananas, a little
44:01 bit of cinnamon, and I'm going to eat the raw milk. Maybe throw a raw egg in there, blend that up. Oh, man, talk about just like nutritious food. raw milk, raw egg, a little bit of bananas, a little bit of cinnamon. That is like, that's where it's at, you know? Um, so, and, and yeah, like I, I wouldn't have said there's, there is a chance of it becoming a little bit more yogurt-y, but no problem with that. It'll work. Um, yeah, and the word, Mark's saying the words are spells. Why do you think it's called spelling? It's,
44:32 it's totally true. We have to be, you know, careful with everything and, and the vocabulary we use is very important. You know, that's what I was talking about last week, you know, blockchain. It's like it's in the spelling, right? You're chaining yourself to a block. Is that really what we want to be? You know, the technology of the future? Maybe, maybe not. And yeah. Cool. So yeah. And then flat power, maybe it's the flat earth. It's more of a snow globe earth, if you ask a lot of people. And then they'll tell you the moon is mysterious, which is amazing,
45:11 because to me, the moon makes so much sense. You know, one of my best-selling apps on the phone is actually, you know, this Hawaiian moon calendar that I have here. And the moon makes total sense when you understand around Earth and how the moon cruises around and how it goes through phases and those things. But I'm open to any perspective. I'm not saying I'm right on this. I can twist my head into thinking that the earth is flat. It just makes math very challenging and very hard. And so with what I know from just being kind of a nerd and studying
45:49 this stuff, and not to say I'm indoctrinated with certain things. I mean, maybe I am, but just so much logical sense. And you look out and you see all these round things. So anyway, not to get too much into that, but someone did mention flat power. So I always think that anytime you're talking about flat things it's usually about the flat earth which actually heard the flat earth was introduced as like uh these intellectuals that were in a club called mensa introduced it to um to just see if how many people they could convince the earth was
46:19 flat it's kind of like an intellectual problem to solve you know like and and it's it's done pretty well. A lot of people doing that kind of stuff. And then Stone Mason here is talking about he's been dumping 200 gallons of lactic acid bacteria tea at a time into his pond. It's really helping the clarity and preventing algae blooms this spring. That is amazing. I'd love to see those pictures and to share that out because that is like the, um, so many people struggle with water quality, you know, and think, think about it, how many chlorinated pools are out there.
47:00 And instead, if we went like this probiotic route and had lactobacillus, imagine you go swimming in the pool. And instead of having this chlorine that dries out your skin and like kills your microbiome, instead you'd swim in this lactobacillus and you're swimming in like this probiotic, like it's almost like returning to the womb of, of, you know, nourishingness of, of just, you know, increasing your immune system and healing your body and not burning your eyes and, and just all this amazingness. So I think, I think there's so much potential in the aquatic realms of
47:34 putting these, um, putting these things out there and these solutions. They're just, you know, when you're talking about your, uh, Thomas is talking about his friend with water quality, that would be a great study to do with him to say, Hey, you know, you're into this, you're a professional. I just have this idea. I'd like you to do the science. Cause I don't know, but I have this idea of something and to test water quality with lactobacillus in it. You know, if it's cleaning out ponds and cleaning out algae, it's like, this has huge potential.
48:03 And if you get it to the right person in the right places, it's, it's like, yeah, that's, that's really what we need. Um, you know, that's, that's, um, that's what we need. And I like that the flat earth goes against sacred geometry. Totally. Thanks Mitchell. That's totally true. It does. I believe more in like, uh, like two triangles interlocking of what makes the earth. And if you look at Mauna Kea, we're at like the perfect latitude for one of those protrusions. If you imagine two interlocking triangles and one of them, you know, there's a point,
48:36 this mountain that's 14 000 feet behind me that i'm only like 10 miles from like just rises straight out of the ground it's like one of those points of that sacred geometry that makes this spheroid from from the um from the triangles interlocking you know the classic squaring you know how do you square the circle right they're circling the square it's two triangles right that's the key right one of them at least you know because triangle has 180 degrees in it Two triangles makes 360. You still have the squareness of it, but then you also have the roundness of it.
49:10 It's like one of these classic alchemist things of what they're doing out there. And if you tried to get the app on the Android, I just had to refile with Google. I didn't keep up with the, what do you call it? Like saying it wasn't for kids kind of thing. they always update their terms of service as developer. And you have to like, when I first launched these apps, it was just like, you could just hit publish and it'd be there right now. You have to say like, Oh, I'm going to protect your data. I'm going to protect your children.
49:45 I'm going to do all that. It's like, I don't collect any data through this. I don't, you know, children, it's like, sure they could use it, but I don't want to say it's for children because then I'd have to like check all these other boxes. It's like, it's, it's wild how this happens. So, um um and i think um jacobby is asking about how much um milk that takes so that's an interesting question i think i think if he's diluting it one to a thousand and he's dumping in 200 gallons at a time it's like um you know uh what it's it's two two gallons per
50:25 something i i don't know you should ask him he has the math um spencer saying he took an ounce of lab with and a red ginseng and his shampoo smart awesome it's really um and and then um there's this stuff in hawaii called ava ava puhi it's a special ginger you can put in there paul mitchell made really made it famous um it's an amazing like it grows wild around here. And when I go down, I have a waterfall on my land. Yes, it's true. I live in Hawaii with a waterfall on our land. When I go down to the waterfall to go swim,
51:00 I'll always find those gingers and squeeze them out on my head and just rub it in and just makes my hair feel so good. And it's just like the natural shampoo. So avapuhi is great. Yeah. Salt pools, these, these ideas, you know, balancing it, natural pools. There's so many, there's so many solutions out there that are probiotic pro-life. and I think that's the difference like as we move into this new paradigm this new shift it's it's away from the you know the chemicals of like DuPont and Monsanto and these you know
51:29 like in pharmaceuticals into like this this paradigm of like probiotic life living and there's so many things that are at our fingertips you know that we don't need huge chemical plants for we can we can clean water clean these things and bring all these things cool cool it's it's it's you know you know it's great when I mentioned flat earth here and we get to these things and it's it's fun to see how much diversity of opinion we have and how much you know like because I think I see the same world you do right and we all think we're seeing the same thing
52:03 but we all have these different perspectives and you know what's so cool is what can bring us all together is like acceptance and love of that. Like, like just being like, Hey, you, you know, like, like do no harm, like, and love each other in this way of like, yes, like, you know, that's, that's, that's what's going to bring us together. Cause we all have these difference of opinions and there's different like science and like official this and this and that. And it's like, that's, that's one of the things I really love about natural farming is sure. There's a right
52:36 way and there's a precise way and there's a thing, there's a thing, but it's also so forgiving. If you're partially right, you're right enough that you're going to increase the biology. Could you have done it better? Could you have done it worse? Sure, sure, sure. But the point is your intentions are there. You're like putting this in, you're, you're growing this. You're like anything you're doing to help the earth, to benefit it, to like make it a better place. That's enough.
53:01 And if your intentions are there and you're doing it, like we all have these different ideas about what's right, what's wrong, you know, and it depends on our culture, how we're raised, you know, there's different ideas about this and that and these things. And I'm not I'm not saying like moral relativity, because because I did say do no harm and love each other. Right. And, you know, each person can take that to be different. But but there's it seems to be a somewhat of a general consensus on those things of how we get into it.
53:30 I'm just saying like, you know, you're right or wrong or this or that. But I'm saying like as we come together and as we have good intentions, all kinds of us of different opinions, different facts, different stages of life, different unfolding, different levels of awakening, different things. This is what makes this so good and biology is so forgiving. And when you get into it and you understand increasing nutrients, increasing all this, like this is where we can get into it, right? And so maybe this is a bit of the obstruction, right? We're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
54:01 Like here we are, we're trying to live and we're stuck between the rock of earth and a hard place like space, right? You can't go out to, I mean, you go out to space, it's really harsh, right? So naturally we're stuck in this, this world of obstruction, right? You're on the rock, but then it's hard out there and it's like, oh, here we are. And so how can we make the best use of it? And I, and I go back to this I Ching, you know, like, what does it say again? I mean, it's like getting rid of, I even lost it. I'm not sure which one it was.
54:32 But it's like innocence, you know, not feeding ourselves on desire. Feeding, you know, here, where is it? I quote from this, number 39, if you're interested. But it's saying, you know, one must first retreat. So first off, don't think you know everything. Pull back and then seek the direction of the sage. Like, so nature, God, like this, that is like us, that is like these sweet people that have come to given us truth and revelations and unveiling truth to us, right? Like pulling the, you know, being like, hey, it's like that's the truth, right?
55:11 You know, and by nature, we're stuck between this. And emotions like desire, fear, and anger, you know, tempt you to take action. But if you're acting from those places, you're going to ruin yourself, right? It's this love. It's coming from this place of like beauty and everything, you know, the yin yang sun and moon. Yeah. The Petri dish we're all in. I mean, this is, this is the thing, you know, um, Hey, and Brock. Yeah. Awesome. I'm glad, you know, you can't, you can't really make a mistake with this. The raw milk, you're going to do great. And, um, it's amazing.
55:43 um and and and you know the thing is about lab is i've done it like a hundred times a thousand i don't know more times than i can count in any reasonable amount and every time it's slightly different right so i'm like i think i'm doing i'm doing it to the t and it's slightly different it'll smell slightly different it'll be slightly different why because i'm actually catching the indigenous, living, loving lacto that are in the air. And they come out of the air and they say, we're here to help you. You've put this starch. We want to help you. But they're a little different
56:19 each time. So every time it's different, every time. And there's no right answer. You're just there. Good vibes, man, making it work. Yeah. So we're going deep into some geometry here. Yeah, yeah. So thanks, Mason, for those ideas of looking at the, you know, circle or sphere from above. It looks like a circle and seeing these discs and visible parts. And yeah, everyone lives their own life. I mean, that's the beauty of it. Like if we were all the same, think of how boring that would be.
56:56 Like it'd be like a bunch of, you know, a bunch of me and they'd all be awkward with each other and no one would call each other to hang out and no one would ask each other for help. And it'd just be like everyone just struggling on their own. it's like no then we have diversity of people people that like like my wife where she she asks for help and she she gets these things and she seeks in these different ways than i do and it adds so much to me so much diversity so much amazingness like that is it so um and stonemason says i've been doing my imo piles in a cedar box
57:28 want to a huge pile in my barn that has a stone floor, would plywood be good to do a pile on? I would watch out for plywood because plywood tends to be like, has a lot of glues and things in there. And not that this is bad or anything, but it depends. Definitely wouldn't do it on like particle board that's smashed together. But, um, but you know, um, if you could, you know, get, get a, get some soil and put it into your barn to make, make a little, um, like six inch layer between, you know, the floor and where you're doing it. Um, you know, um, yeah, wouldn't,
58:08 don't do it on concrete. It'll eat your concrete away. It'll be really bad. Um, but yeah, putting down something like that. I've done it before where I put down cardboard, even like a, like, you know, big refrigerator box and done it on top of that. Problem with that is it gets a little bit moist and then the refrigerator box, you know, you start to get through it with a shovel and things. But, you know, anything like that seems reasonable. You know, it's like you want as natural of a thing as possible. I'm not going to hate on the plywood. If, you know, if that's what you got,
58:37 go for it. It'll probably work out well. That piece of plywood, however, will probably not be good for building with anymore at that point. I don't recommend building materials and IMO mixing or doing IMO under your house or somewhere where it's going to start to like eat away your foundation or eat away your building materials. I right now am dealing with an issue where my roof gets this mold on it and it's because I did too much IMOs near my house and the mold started, you know, like it's IMOs. It's like I say, it's mold. It's, it's, it's, it's, I don't think it's
59:10 black mold or anything bad. It's, it's, it's just, and then I have to go clean it with vinegar about every eight months or so. I got to get up there with vinegar and lactobacillus and kind of just knock it back. And it's because the moisture and then the heat and how it heats up. And, you know, so just be careful of doing too much IMOs around things that you want to last a long time because the IMOs will penetrate and their whole deal is to decompose and recycle nutrients and make them available for other things and transport them around. So usually buildings we want to have last a long time.
59:44 And so there can be a little bit of incompatibility there. So, yeah, I just want to thank you guys for tuning in here. We've got a couple more questions here of just what's going on. Also, I'll answer those, but I also want to put a shout out to the Pure KNF Foundation. It's at pureknf.org. And that's the organization that this logo right there is from. And I mean, it's part of me doing this thing. I was kind of watching Minority Mindset. And it's like, where do I separate myself from my company of what I'm doing? It's just, you know, I got KNF love, man. I want to share it.
1:00:25 And so, but it is a foundation. It is a nonprofit. And it does help sponsor these and make it, you know, really worth my time. Also sponsored by you guys. if you want to throw super chats or thanks down in the in the bottom if you're watching this later you can always do that google does take a percentage of that i think it's about 30 percent so you can also go to natural farming hawaii.net and drop a donation there and stripe only takes like 2.5 percent from me so it's a little bit better i get a little bit more of that money
1:00:53 and it's just federal reserve notes but it's it's what matters right oh thanks thanks for the 99 sense yo that's great that's great i really yeah like even it all it all helps it all bigs us up and it's that reciprocal relationship that we can build that that makes us all perfect and all that so anyway just just throw that out there as a reminder it's not like i'm saying you got to do it i'm just saying you know thankful for everyone that helps to make this happen thanks for you showing up and i'll take two more questions before i jump out maybe three because I got this humic acid.
1:01:28 So I'm going to answer the humic acid one first. Get worms. As you get worms, there's juice that drips out. That's some of the best humic acid. Use it while it's fresh and use that. If you don't have worms and you don't want to do that, get a compost that's good, run water through it. The brown water that comes out, collect it, run it through again, run it through again. Don't spray it real hard, try and knock all the stuff off. Just run it through passively. The water will get browner and browner and browner. As it comes out really brown, now you've got good humic acid.
1:02:00 So a real simple way to make it passively from compost or the worm farm. It's one of the best. Humic and fulvics and all this. Worms are just amazing. So two more questions here. Yeah, and Degoofman was mentioning to put it up on a pallet or something. That's a good idea. um so sweeter than anything is saying made my first lab a couple of weeks ago and it's still it's still fizzy getting some brown stuff on top that brewers would probably call cam yeast skimmed a couple times put on a bubbler airlock lid is that okay um sweeter than anything did you
1:02:44 super saturate it this isn't this isn't some people that teach on youtube don't talk about this but look at my videos, click on the channel, just the link right there, the Drake Pure KNF, and go look at my featured videos. One of them is how to super saturate. Watch that video and super saturate your lactobacillus because it sounds like maybe you didn't. And if you did, I'm not sure. Maybe the other thing to do is to run it through a really fine filter, like a t-shirt and really get that curds out of there and don't press your curds into it. So run through a fine
1:03:18 filter, super fine filter, and then super saturated. And I, and I think it'll also solve those problems for you. Um, and then last thing I witness is trying to find a spot for a pile, but I'll have to rip up the grass wherever I do so I can have a smooth floor to scrape and the shovel on. I witnessed Thomas meant just do it on the grass. Don't worry. You'll mix a little bit of that grass and it'll be fine. Just do it on the top. No need, no need to dig down, you know, just do it on the top of the grass. That grass right there will probably die because of the heat
1:03:54 by the time it's done. Um, but if that's okay, you can make a spot in your yard, just do it on top. Don't worry about it. Um, and, um, yeah, so yeah, good luck with that and, um, doing it. It's nice to see you guys all doing this. And, um, yeah, thanks. Thanks for all the blessings. Thanks, Mitchell. Yeah. I'll, um, say hi to Suze for y'all. And, um, she's just a sweetheart and we had such a fun time. So hopefully maybe I'll get some pictures, share those things, see how these things are going. Really appreciate you guys tuning in and, um, yeah. So, um,
1:04:34 yeah I want to just thank you guys for for doing this so um all right cool I will see you next week I believe um I'll be here what it'll be the June 7 plus 5 is 13 12 12 13 oh man it's hard the millennial math man I gotta tune in my brain and get that going whatever it is next Sunday I We'll see you 9 a.m. Hawaiian Standard Time. In the meantime, God bless you. Long live the natural farmer. And yeah, love to you and everyone you encounter this week. So appreciate you. Aloha. Bye now.